"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello and welcome to the Apple Insider podcast this is your host Wesley Hillard and I'm joined by William Gallagher our sponsors this week are notion and FastMail in addition to adree episodes paid subscribers get the bonus Apple Insider plus segment and this week we're going to talk about how we decide between digital and fiscal media when we buy something are we going to buy a DVD on Blu-ray are we going to buy it on iTunes if that even EX EXs anymore and how we manage those Collections and what goes behind that kind of thinking so that should be an interesting topic what do you think William I'm looking forward to that cuz I have a complicated confession to make about my next Blu-ray purchase considering I don't have a Blu-ray player but you're right we have to leave it till then yes okay of course but speaking of media I I wanted to start off the episode with um some really interesting news it was kind of happening as we recorded um the previous episode but it kind of flew by me uh but the Apple music announced that they were going to announce the 100 best albums of all time and the entire concept is funny to me because it's such a subjective concept but we've seen this before uh top 100 lists from Rolling Stone and um various magazines have have tackled this MTV has tried similar lists but um Apple music seems to be taking a very different approach and uh I wonder have you been paying attention to this at all I have yes but um it's different approach code for they got it wrong you don't agree with them it's not that no I think it really is just a different approach and I'm my musical taste is very broad uh so I did not have a strong opinion about this list because looking at it it it makes a lot of sense what's here um examining What's missing it makes sense why there are things missing I I've noticed a lot of people of course jumping in and saying why isn't so and so in this list why why is this one higher than the other uh I think the problem is is a lot of people see bits and pieces of the list but don't look into the actual what happened here and this isn't someone going and pulling an algorithm uh and saying hey Apple music what are the top 100 streamed albums that's not this list um this isn't even a panel of four judges went through and just picked a bunch of things that they really liked this is a globally vetted list that was sourced from hundreds of votes on what should be included and then an entire process of deciding uh of voting to get positioning basically of the top 100 so is this this complex process filled with artists music journalists uh producers composers um songwriters all kinds of people in the industry who should know uh people like you know I I would I would have to assume people like um what's his name Jimmy there's yeah there's too many there's too many Jay names I I wanted to say Johnny for some reason but jimy Jimmy iine I he uh yeah absolutely people like that Zan low I saw someone say yeah this is just a western picked list and it's like Zan low is from New Zealand right um so I don't know this and he's like the the uh main guy at Apple music so I I just wonder have you looked at this list and uh what do you think of what's on I studied this list and I am a Gass that the kids from Fame isn't anywhere in sight I figur they were probably at 101 that's where they probably came in at you even don't even know what the kids from Fame is I was trying to find an example there I thought should I try The Wombles or something you'd never get that thought it'd be safe with the kids from Fame but no I one maybe uh no I've never I've never heard of this no okay I can't say your musical education is lacking but I'd like to I I think the list is fine uh I'm intrigued by certain things on it I people seem upset that the list is comprised of I I would say the last 60 years or so of music but the last 60 years also includes the Last 5 Years and people are upset to say like how can you pick album that came out in 2018 as part of this top 100 list but again I think that just goes into the selection process they didn't go into detail but there's actually a lot of information about this list um Apple this is one of Apple's rare synergistic displays um that I actually really enjoy some people find it terrible I don't know why they have all these things why not take advantage of it but Apple music had playlists radio stations DJ's discussions uh all the way through this process you can go back and listen to those hour long there's an hourlong episode where where professional music people talk about 10 of the selections 10 at a time correct so there's a there's 10 hours of content just about this list and and uh the the Apple music versions play the music during it so it's really nice then there's the podcast side of this you can go listen to Apple podcasts with an apple music subscription where they go through the whole list similar to the radio shows just multiple cut-ups so you can just jump straight to a certain album but after you get to number one they break it up into a three-part documentary it's an audio documentary on Apple podcasts about their number one choice and we'll get to that in a moment and then on uh so you have the Apple music component the Apple podcast component and Apple news has a Jour the music journalist side of things with the Apple music section and Apple news with a bunch of coverage there as well so just really cool that they did this it feels like an event and I'm the only one attending because I don't know where if there's anyone on the internet actually talking about this it's it with the death of Twitter and the downfall of Reddit um as far as I'm concerned and my personal life I I know Reddit still exists it's just they kind of broke things there and I don't like it anymore um it feels like there's just where where do people talk about this stuff anymore and I'm assuming it's Tik Tok well I was going to say in person around water coolers or you know top of my head on podcasts I one thing I thought about this this was um guaranteed to be controversial there's no possible way any list could ever be right unless it's your own but it does intr I mean there's so much on here that I'd never heard of before and now in theory I could go listen to it except number one the miseducation of Lauren Hill I'm reasonably sure I bought that on CD whenever it actually came out I was wondering about that I don't think I've ever played it I can't think of a single thing from it so here's all this great stuff and I I hope I'm not going to ignore it and carry on I highly recommend um especially since we're having this discussion uh what is it now 16 years after the album released if you haven't properly yeah so because it come out in 1998 so if I'm doing that math right um I'm familiar with this so some people actually had never even heard of this album and that might be due to their age 16 years ago 1998 there's something wrong here and I can't it's am I doing oh I did do the math wrong my goodness see this is this is I I am permanently in like 2004 14 I guess cuz that's how years work in my head I never I always lose a decade in the math but no it's actually uh 26 years ago and I am now feeling much older oh that's a quarter of a century I've had that disc on a shelf it's a long time but okay so I was seven at the time so it's not like I was waiting in line at the record store to buy this but can I just say you're really not helping now that's just right I'm walking away from this discussion but looking at it now with my current understanding of music and I I understand this is Apple Insider podcast we won't spend too much on time on this guys don't worry um I have heard this album in places uh several times throughout my life just because of its importance and so I've never gone out of my way it's it wasn't like in my Apple music collection but I was at least familiar with it by by today um and it is fascinating that it is the number one choice um I think it makes a lot of sense look into the history of don't look at just the album look at the history of this album there is so much here and that audio documentary helps uh clarify some of this but it has to do with if you don't know who Lauren Hill is you definitely know who the Fuji are and uh these gosh what was that hit see now now I'm doing it um that they they it was it skyrocketed the Fugi to fame and they were actually in the middle um softly what's the song Killing Me Softly with words right no killing me softly with your song No with your song that's it yes it's a lot of words maybe that's why I couldn't remember the specific title but that that song is everywhere everyone knows that song I would be surprised if you hadn't heard it at some point even if you're you know under the age of 20 it's got It's had to have come up at some point and um anyway so she was on tour because of this album with the Fugi and in a relationship with wlif Jean and things went South and she met Bob Marley's son on tour and during all of this she she falls in love with him she's writing this solo album um she's pregnant she's being told by everyone hey abort that pregnancy uh focus on your career you just hit it big if you have a baby now it's all over and so this album became this righteous cry out of no I am this person who f is fighting for relevance and and in existence as a mother and as an artist and as a lover and it's just such a fascinating powerful story and you listen to the lyrics of the album and you listen to these songs to Zion brings tears to my eyes and caros Santana of course on the guitar just amazing uh but there's just so much history here John Legend at at like 17 years old is on the piano on everything is everything right like there's just so so much musical history here and so it makes it makes a lot of sense when you dig into it it's not of course Thriller which some people think is overrated there's a there's of course going to be a lot of discussion over why Prince you know why wasn't Prince ahead of Thriller with purple rain uh but one thing that the Apple music producers reiterated a 100 million times during the show that they did is this list they didn't even know what it was going to look like when it was finished because it was a voting process and they were surprised by the miseducation of Lauren Hill but they they like the choice but the list of course is meant to drive discussion and that's what it's done not everyone's going to agree with it but you of course it's going to make you have some introspection and say what would my top 100 list be and I recommend everyone go and check out at go listen to at least one song from every album just make an afternoon of it it's so fun there's so so much human history here and um the Apple music shows they did I think are really fun to listen to I love I just I can't get enough of the detail behind things we don't think about so the history behind a song but in a way this actually reminds me of the thing I've been doing this week is for no purpose at all other than fun playing with the New Logic PL logic PLO logic pro stem splitter you know the thing where it will take a track and split it out so you can listen to Just the vocal uh just the vocal just the drums just the bass guitar or apple calls it other would they mean everything else you can just do any of those or any combination of those so I was listening to Kate Bush's vocal on the central world with nothing around it and it's just mesmerizing for it and the fact that you then you take her out and you listen to Just the drum solos for it anything the work and the effort and the Artistry brilliant yeah so we got we got to move on because I just realized we've been talking about this for uh several minutes but I I I do want to point out one thing of uh I've seen it's I'll reiterate it's difficult to find discussion around this because Apple music isn't Spotify but a lot of people do use it and I don't think Apple made this expecting you know me to enjoy it right I I feel like there's an audience out there and there are people talking about it and that's great but some of the commentary I've seen around it is quite annoying if only because it seems like it comes from a place of just my favorite band wasn't represented in this so now I hate it automatically and that's just so shortsighted and and annoying and I and I wanted to point out part of this selection process again was I think they even just completely disregarded popularity there are a lot of popular award-winning albums in here of course many of these albums have been indoctrinated into the Library of Congress because of their contributions to humanity um but I think just that's part of it it's these musicians and artists that selected this list know the impact these albums had and that's the key albums some artists are amazing creators that write number one hits that are just chart topping amazing stuff but they're good at writing singles albums is the key term here that's why so my girlfriend is was asking so where's Dolly Parton on this list it's like well uh tell me one album Dolly Parton wrote that it was revolutionary and that you know that didn't happen because do Parton is an excellent songwriter that wrote a lot of very good singles across dozens of albums that she's released over time but not there was never an album that had six songs on it that was just like each one was just the Dolly Parton Banger it just didn't happen and then you know that's why you look at some of these and you say well why is this one ahead of this one and it's like yes this techno track from Germany or whatever um I forget the name of it but it influenced a lot of music yeah it's number like 57 and da Punk is ahead of them because everyone actually heard of Da Punk right it influence doesn't necessarily mean best a lot of these albums were influential and built the groundwork for something else to become more popular um but it doesn't necessarily mean that it should be ahead of it on the list either so it it's just so interesting to think about I think I I do actually agree except there's a bit there all of this focus on albums I think that's a good thing but streaming music has really destroyed the album hasn't it cuz we actually iTunes originally the music industry destroyed the album William you were there for this right I mean the music industry uh really pushed artists to prod all about my age but yes so they pushed artists to produce singles and then buried those singles on um 13 track CDs that had a bunch of garbage on it that they didn't have to pay for so the music industry was maximizing profit on CDs with terrible music one good song and you paid $13 for the honor and that's why the iPod was so important and iTunes and then you actually had Thriller where is the Thriller have six or eight singles off it so you bought a couple of those because you like them and then this is good I'll buy the album so net money you were out by not buying the album first okay but all right so is this apple saying come back album albums are great we're sorry that the music industry has gone this way I think I think Apple's had that stance for a while and you can see that in the way that they produce music because Apple does help produce some music um with some with certain artists and Apple's been a fan of creating these um they they'll bring an artist to a studio and have these broken down tracks and it's they they create these beautiful like messages of their work through through these uh collaborations and I think Apple has always been Pro um album and I think it's funny because like so some people's reaction was well Spotify would never and I think I agree for a different reason if only because Spotify doesn't have the creative Integrity to create a list like this um accurately it would just feel probably robotic and soulless and and I'm and I think that's fair uh because spotify's entire business is predicated on the fact that they they purchased an algorithm uh that is an amazing algorithm and makes awesome recommendations and playlists and that is the benefit of Spotify absolutely but they've leaned so heavily into that that's why Apple has reacted with humanity and that's why from day one of Apple music it's been human curated has been their Mantra and that hasn't changed in all these years this so reminds me of the first time I ever has R an algorithm for picking music it's about in the the 1980s I was working at BBC local radio and up to a certain point the DJs picked all their music the way you would expect but after a certain point they had a PC in the corner an apricot PC if anybody's ever heard of those has to the UK and on it was an app called software called selector and I remember resenting the idea that an algorithm could program this and then I looked at the list for the shows I was 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about uh or or like a um a skit on a rap album where they're making fun of you know like just that kind of things like everyone knows what I'm talking about they they're everywhere um they're enjoyable on their own when I'm listening to logic's um incredible true story I am here to hear Steve Bloom uh and his raspy voice talking about space travel like I love that but I don't want to hear that when I'm just shuffling music working at my computer because uh that for whatever reason spoken tracks are take me out of something whereas music lets me lean into something so Apple seems to be seems to have heard my complaint they they've come out with a feature called smart transitions now we don't know what it does but it appears that it's going to use algorithms to determine exactly how every song transition can be improved by instead of just lowering the volume on one and raising the volume on other it's going to intelligently transition between tracks so I can only hope this is my assumption that that means maybe it'll know to get rid of the spoken tracks as well but that's just me uh wishcasting at this point point I can tell you the rule in radio if I can remember accurately is uh rather than feding out one and bringing in the other you're bring in the new one full volume and then fade out the old so that there's a consistent level of volume across the lot but what you're telling me is that you and apple are likely to destroy the start and the end of um dex's Midnight Runners Come On Eileen and I admit the start and the end are a bit rubbish before you get into the the bit we all remember uh but it's the artist's intention to do this and isn't there an argument that if spoken word stuff takes you out of it it well tough go listen to go listen to something else doesn't happen this is something that we talked about last episode so um passive watching was the topic on the last episode of having something on the TV but not actually paying attention to it well let me introduce William passive listening right I haven't forgiven you for the passive watching yet but all right add to the list um okay but yeah passive listening of course I mean obviously you know but like it's just I am a person who enjoys music in a way that's it's a hobby so I will sit down and actively listen to an album and study its lyrics and study the sound and really break it down with an amazing um set of speakers or headphones and and just really sit down and enjoy it that's when I want to hear it in the most pure form the way the artist intended no weird nonsense but again if I just have something on in the background somewhere um I'm I'm okay with a little bit of algorithm uh mixing I like the idea that I can have a built-in intelligent DJ that will do what so one of uh some of the best radio stations on Apple music uh live radio that they have they have apple music One um or apple music hits which is my preference usually uh some of the DJs will just stay out of it they'll you know they'll introduce themselves and every now and then they'll jump in and be like hey it's me you know Brook Reese or whatever I'm doing this thing today um but they'll just play the songs and then they will just jump between them sometimes you'll hear two minutes of a song sometimes you'll hear 30 seconds of the song but they will just blend them so well that it's just fun it feels like you're at a club almost because that's what live DJs usually do um it' be kind of cool to have um an algorithm do that for me and that could be a really fun party tool but again just the passive listening aspect of this sounds cool too I was at um I think it's called Uh Global radio I can't remember the name of the station here commercial station here in the UK uh visiting a friend who was presenting and she was playing some song it was about a minute into it and she thought you know I can't remember how this one ends what am I going to play out afterwards so while it was playing on air she listened to the end of it and figured out which advert segwayed best into it and when it came to that point played it and for me Raised on Radio stations with vinyl I thought that was just gorgeous that she was able to do that so being that kind of sorry oh go ahead no I just you're saying about new features I was reading about this this word really pass through that was coming to Apple music we don't know we have no idea I that's why I I wasn't even going to bring it up because it's just a word and a settings screen it has to do with Dolby Atmos that's that's as far as we can figure out but that's it we have no idea what it means or what it does my I have assumptions that we haven't written down because um assumptions are useless but sure uh I can assume that pass through is just a rebranding of a head-tracked Dolby Atmos but I think what they might do is use some intelligent instrument positioning because Dolby Atmos tracks gives us individual directional audio uh streams and maybe pass through will allow you to move the audio um out of your focal point and have it be again this passive listening thing and have it be behind or beside you while you work and then have what's in front of you be the focal point so maybe you have multiple audio streams going maybe you have a phone call on and some jazz in the background right so that's my that's what pass through sounds like to me is it's allowing um the audio to be passive but maybe I'm reading into it too much maybe it's literally just a Rebrand of headtracking Dolby Atmos I did once have a brief job where I was required to wear headphones so that I could listen to One audio stream in the left ear and a completely different Source in the right and monitor them both to report on something um but it that was not fun so I don't think I'll be switching that on deliberately but I don't really understand things like Dolby Atmos and stuff I guess I'm just going to have to wait till it happens and then listen to it to find out on atos can make a song better and it can ruin it depending on how it's mixed right okay I I mean I have definitely encountered some of some um spatial audio tracks as Apple calls it uh I've encountered some spatial audio that just makes a a song just be like what what what is what is happening to the music right now because the vocals are pushed too far away and the drums are taking over and whoever mixed this obviously um either didn't understand what the artist wanted or uh just did a poor job of it but uh that happens sometimes but most of the time I found spatial um tracks are really fun especially on homepods hm but moving on we have spent so much time on music I'm sure we we will now be rebranded as the Apple music podcast but uh let's get on to the next media thing emoji uh the thing that you hate the most no no let's stay on music please not Emoji no brief just briefly we we got a little sign of what possibly might be coming soon and I see one that looks just like William in this conversation the face with eyebags um um looks very unhappy and I'm I'm assuming that's the same look William's giving me right now though I can't see him uh splatter actually I'm sorry at this moment I'm giving you uh can't you see there you go the value of an emoji I just performed an emoji for you and I felt you got the point but okay I carry on with the list of things I'm never going to use but all right fingerprint leafless tree shovel harp I mean cute I guess cool there there's seven of them here I'm sure there there's going to be a lot of new positions and skin tones and things included other Emoji this this is something that we might not see until the spring of next year though where let's meet up by the leafless tree next to the sadl looking person I can't see many situations when I would need these new Emoji but I don't know I feel like emojis can sometimes feel a little cryptic and it just it's kind of like you're communicating in code for a drug deal uh 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anything specific jump out to you William that you want to discuss yeah the fact that you've had and I've had grow for what I you said we but I hav envy gr yeah the Royal we the world was included Royal in that in in in that Wii yes I'm hearing quite constantly that it the M4 is overpowered for what the iPad can do um I'm also hearing questions of um whether it was worth uh the effort to move the camera around so that they had to do a new pencil couldn't they mount it on the other side um I'm hearing that all the speaker stuff inside has changed and I was wondering about is the sound quality actually as good as people say um well yeah there's yeah there's a lot of discussion around this I'll just say honestly it's an iPad uh it's an iPad Pro it's running iPad OS um the hardware is impossible it feels impossible um I wrote a Hands-On uh we we're saving the review for a little later because it feels like we can discuss things more clearly after having it for a while so um no early review this time the Hands-On take that as kind of the earlier review I guess just rebranded and we will be doing a full review um before WWDC so keep an eye out for that but um and also by the way I was on the iPad Pros podcast with uh Tim chatton and that was a lot of fun uh we spent literally a couple hours discussing the iPad and still ran out of time because there's so much to talk about um and that'll be out I believe before WWDC so uh I'll the show here it's actually available but right I'll make sure we have links to that cuz I want to hear that but yeah that's not this week it will probably be um literally the week of like that Friday WWDC right before it um which is actually coming up very quickly but for me the the the iPad Pro it's super thin none of my accessories work with it I'm working on replacing some stands that I have around the house um I'll be doing some roundups on those uh to discuss which ones are good and not and whatnot um the speakers they're they're still speakers I mostly still use my devices with uh earbuds um honestly between my phone and iPads I very rarely hear their natural speakers uh just cuz I'm just usually have some kind of uh Ear Pod in um and then but I'm sure they're they're amazing like the the iPad speakers have always been great they they actually can do weirdly spatial stuff even though they're coming out of a tablet um the ol we discussed this before so not to reiterate OLED of course beautiful great picture uh Nano texture I'm I'm still happy with my choice it's perfect I haven't broken anything but what about reports I don't know if this is more with Nan trure or not but that there's a graininess to the OLED screen that people weren't expecting the grainy display problem so people assume this is OLED but no or uh this this is nanotexture but this is actually to do with OLED and um I find it kind of funny so people are interesting on the internet to say the least um any technology has pros and cons and one of the cons of having all of your LEDs be a single light source on a giant panel means that you're more likely to find a way to see that at different viewing angles U more than perhaps you could with a backlight because the backlight is obscured by the pixel plane of the LED panel uh so you're not going to see that thing there's a word for it I what is it even mura I've never said this word out loud before but um Moira I've heard some people I guess pronounce it but um it's an effect that basically creates a kind of a grain I've never seen this um and I think the people seeing this are taking the macro camera on their phone and pushing it up against the screen to see it kind of thing like it's not it's not going to come up in regular use it it can sometimes occur because of irregularly um irregular voltage across the panel if you see anything that is that looks broken it's probably broken um so go to an Apple store with it but for me with my iPad and daily use so far I've never come across like a grainy screen whatever um that's supposed to mean I suppose like from the description I even from the photos it's just I've never seen this for my own use not again I think this is one of those weird things kind of like jelly scrolling you really have to go out of your way to find it um like taking a microscope to your display okay all right then that's remove the one barrier I had about buying it nanot texture I I got on this on the iPad Pros podcast um but nanotexture is such a funny discussion CU now that I've really had more time with it and and listen to other people's criticisms this is the first Apple product I think Apple's ever made that you can't get you you can't learn anything from looking at it through a video you can't learn anything from it from looking at it at an Apple Store the only way you're going to know whether or not nanotexture is for you is by buying it and taking it home that and I know that's terrible as a recommendation but the reality is the lighting conditions of real life are starkly different from an Apple store and you'll never get representative uh interactions with that nanotexture display it's always going to look overly bright over ly gray because there's just so much light in that room um and no that's not what sunlight looks like either sunlight isn't coming from a 100 different LED bulbs in the ceiling pointed at White Walls reflecting it off of the white floors and and brown tables real real sunlight is just a single source of light that create you know and of course the sky effect and all of that but it's different even when I'm outdoors with the iPad Pro if I'm looking at it from the proper angle it still looks like a clean Cris beautiful OLED display it's when light sources directly hit the screen that you start to notice that what you would call a graying effect in the blacks because the light is literally being diffused into the surface of the display and that causes blacks to light up a little bit but that Micron of difference in Black level is so worth the trade-off of I can see my display in any condition whereas yeah you can get perfect blacks on a glossy display but in the places where that graying effect's going to occur now you either see a perfect reflection of your face or a reflection of a giant light bulb in the background with you and you no longer see your content that's the trade-off so when people see these silly videos on YouTube of I'm standing side by side with a glossy display and a nanotexture display in real life you're never like if you buy one of these iPads you're never going to go home and have two iPads to compare side by side a lot of these display what people would consider Oddities or differences um are only visible if you have a reference point without a reference point it just looks like a display your eyes are really easy to trick our eyes are actually pretty stupid technology they're really it's it's really beautifully advanced in a way but your brain's also really dumb and pulling a lot of tricks on you and when you're looking at these displays and looking at the content you're it's like it's the it's the elephant thing I bring this up and every time um William gets mad cuz now he's thinking about elephants but if someone tells you to don't think about elephants the only thing you're going to think of is an elephant if you're holding an iPad with Nano texture and you say don't think about the Nano texture you're going to be thinking about the Nano texture but it really does just go away there are situations I'm not going to lie there are situations where you can see it it's there's a little bit of that glossy grayish reflection light stuff going on but again if that was just a glossy display that grayish thing happening on the display would just be a giant bulb reflection or my face so I I I think the trade-off is is worth that for me it's not for everyone don't upgrade to a 1 tby model just to get nanotexture if you're buying 256 pretend it doesn't exist right this is just the people who are buying one taby or plus models yeah but you're saying that one terabyte that reminds me um you went for one you maxed out in every way except the storage you went for one terab instead of two terabytes and I can't remember the cost but it sounds to me like you are happy having gone the way you did that you wouldn't have like to skip the n texture and put that money towards 2 terabytes for examp no I I I I'm happy with the nanotexture and two terabytes is way too much for me I need more than 512 for sure cuz I I will I will easily exceed that um I've been slowly adding apps to the iPad as I need them I I always start new and just download apps when I decide that I need a certain feature um funny enough this is this is weird I I haven't done much I I think I've haven't done much web housing outside of work because I haven't downloaded one single Safari content blocker engine or anything nothing um which is abnormal for me but that might just be um in how iCloud um what is that called this the safety thing that they do iCloud something it can't it keeps um keeps switching on and off so often it's burnt into my head private relay private relay so between private relay and certain other Safari features I feel like the web is somewhat tolerable but there are definitely websites that I open and I'm just like inundated with popups and ads and it's so annoying so I might break that and go and get my usual content blocker but I haven't got that far yet I'm I'm really interested in iOS 18 and it's um new engine that it's bringing where you get to select parts of the page to uh erase but uh maybe that'll uh replace my content blockers because apparently um I do fine without them for the most part um uh but also I'm I'm browsing respectable web pages that aren't in inundating me with um nonsense so that I think there there's a difference there uh of course there's also this idea I think probably wishful thinking that iPad OS 18 is going to change everything and suddenly we'll understand why the iPad Pro has an M4 and all this power there is a there is a bit to that um two well two things we we have heard that the M4 is because of the display sure uh display controllers we discussed that before but we got another hint so um John turnis andg jaak have been on their little press tour I think that's over now but um yeah I G I gave them cake when they came to me yes they were they were very nice Victoria sponge if you're wondering okay did you go meet them on the roof I I love that um this the they interviewed everyone on the roof of that um was it battle sea building and uh Greg jby actually in a a peac coat and sunglasses and it was just I don't know just looked mob bossy like they were having this meeting on the roof and he's here to let me tell you about the iPad you know um right okay but he did make a mention of something that didn't I think it went mostly unnoticed but for me it kind of stuck um he made the mention that iPad Pro and I I maybe I hallucinated I tried to find it again and he kind of says it in one interview there's so many of them I I'll never find it again but he he alluded to the fact that the iPad Pro it is basically representative of Apple's first AI first PC basically this AI personal computer and that you know our updates that are coming later this year he didn't say WWDC of course cuz he won't give that specific but he's like yeah Tim's basically been saying this is coming it is coming AI is important to we've been doing this for years um you know it's ML and previously um proactive uh application features and Siri but now we're going to get into Ai and what people call it and iPad Pro is predisposition to be an excellent AI computer because of that M4 chip and I think that may be the story uh for iPad OS 18 and that's really interesting to me this is either going to be the most interesting or the least interesting WWDC in years it's not going to be a middle of the road kind of one I think yeah I I think it's exciting and people people need to not get ahead of themselves um look at look at all the problems that exist with existing AI tools right uh they make up information hallucinations are everywhere even Google's new tool I see every day people posting nonsense reported by Google's let me summarize it for you feature um and it's just wrong wrong wrong and it's and it like and Google leaned heavily into this and then open AI having their snafu with um turns out they hired an actress that Pro that sounds very close to Scarlet Johansson's voice there probably going to be a law yes well oh no it came out that they showed they they went and said no here here's they have documentation showing they hired a real actress this wasn't made up that people assumed it was made up but I still think they went out of their way to find a the alleged bit yes I believe it was an actress but the suggestion that it was performed Like Scarlett Johansson is a dodgy issue um I mean I haven't actually heard it and but she's lawyered up apparently uh asking them questions about it as she should so it's just this very breathy voice you know it Scarlett Johansson has such a very specific voice um yeah that think mimicking it is obvious and this this feels like they're they're doing a performance it's not just someone speaking so um in any case there's so many controversies and issues around these tools I think Apple sees this I think they're they're very intelligent about handling these types of things and they want to avoid it so don't go into Apple's WWDC expecting to see a a a this this term is now loaded but it it it has different meanings than what I'm going to say app Apple's going to have a me too moment for uh copying Google and open Ai and all of that that's not what Apple's out to do they're going to do their own thing so I don't think we should go out there expecting here's Apple's answer to Gemini and uh it's a chatbot and it's does all the like it's going to be AI technology and it's there's going to be similar feature sets and abilities that you can accomplish but I would very much expect Apple's going to distance itself as much as it can from the controversial side of this and openly say we did this with privacy in mind we paid actors we paid for photos we we got the training legally and on top of all of that it's on device it's personal it's private and it's in your total control and I think that story accompanied by Apple's spefic specific hardware and software integration we're going to see something identifiable you know a cousin of what exists but unique because it's Apple talking about it and I think people will either dismiss it because it's not open AI or they'll accept it because it's Apple so we we'll see what that looks like so iPad Pro we have the rest of time to talk about I mean I want anyone who has any questions please uh email me um or you know write me on Macedon I I'm loving this device I'm excited to write the full review I've gotten started on that already um apple pencil Pro casting a 3D rendered Shadow I mean come on that's just Apple Magic all the way through yes but yeah ridiculous and perfect as well I mean you got to applaud that effort I think yeah go go look at the iPad Pro tear down um the logic board is now in the center on this new Skeleton thing they've built to make sure that uh guys can't bend it in half as easily on on YouTube at least not horizontally um the Apple logo acts as a heat sink all of uh your hands are on the edges so your hands won't get hot anymore cuz your hands are holding it by the edge of a battery and not used to be iPads would have the logic board on a side and that was fine but all the heat would settle on one side and fry your hand if you were holding it by that so like there's so many intelligent design choices here it's more than just a thinner iPad um I hope everyone's been paying attention to the content we've been putting out there's a lot of stuff in show notes here we're not going to get to today but again if you have any specific questions as we get closer to WWDC and as this new cycle continues to just be explosive there's so much to talk about in no time yeah um we will definitely Target any specific things that you guys want to hear about but we do need to move on to the Future William uh the future yes not even the iPhone 16 the iPhone 17 oh okay uh iPhone 17 the best iPhone we've ever made is what Apple's going to say isn't it they say it every time yeah so let's skip 16 fact let's skip let's wait for the iPhone 20 why not that's going to be un ironically I see people post things like that on the internet I'm waiting for the iPhone 18 I'm like man just it's okay it's okay but um the iPhone 17 rumors are interesting cuz it's it's too far ahead we don't know it it could be Center cool it's going to use technology from the iPad Pro but the thing that stood out to me was the iPhone 16 plus will be the last plus model that we get is this a surprise well no because um we have the iPhone we have the iPhone Pro theph Max and then there's this it's not quite revolving door of uh iPhone Mini or iPhone plus but the Plus or the mini they never seem to sell as well as Apple hopes something changes so they're too Niche they're way too Niche it's asking the question of what if you wanted an iPhone but less features for more money and that's basically the iPhone mini and iPhone plus because the plus is basically the pro without the features pay an extra couple hundred bucks and now you have the pro and name and that's what people end up doing the price ladder doesn't need it you can upscale the base iPhone up to a Pro price if you get enough storage I they just they became redundant no hang on the the iPhone Mini uh versions were always I mean exactly the same as the iPhone but in a small is like a bonus isn't it so you're paying more I can remember with the prices but uh the size is a bonus and so many people love the size of me I think we forget sometimes that a niche product for apple is half a billion or something ridiculous and stuff that would keep I would make other companies ecstatic um I personally think the mini should never have gone away but yeah even more weirdly Apple's going to continue the four phone plan but this time I I don't know why they keep shuffling this around just go back to three or add the mini make the SE the mini I don't know just but just pick one cuz we keep changing this every other year but it looks like the lineup is going to be iPhone 17 iPhone 17 Pro iPhone 17 Pro Max iPhone 17 Ultra and we've heard this rumor before true and orbiting all of this the iPhone SE 4 or five or Whatever It Is by then I keep forgetting about that I mean it is in the lineup but it just feel like a very separate product launched at a different time and all this but it's still around I mean making the pro Max aluminum um and the pro aluminum are just a better aluminum than the the base model uh making the designs like maintaining the same design uh layout maybe giving them ever so slightly richer colors because they're going back to a different uh they're going back to the standard kind of design philosophy more or less for the pros you're you're paying for the Basse model because you just want the absolute lowest end Flagship and then you're paying for the Pro Models because you want the better cameras but then what do you get with the ultra the ultra rumor is basically it's thinner it's titanium and it has every stop you could imagine best cameras 5x uh telephoto all of that stuff um built in so I don't know I don't buy it this is such an early rumor we'll see what the iPhone 16 looks like before we start judging that but speaking of i iPhone 16 William uh we need to play Taps on the program as we say goodbye to the blue titanium color no no you can't get rid of blue according to analysts uh m qu who has his uh pulse on the supply chain it looks like Apple's going to replace blue Titanium with a rose pink titanium okay I'm never quite sure with Mingo cuz he I mean he feels like he's freelanced now and half of the time he's very clear that what he's saying is from his sources in the supply chain and then half the time he's a little bit not and with this I didn't read that about the Roose go but I read the top line which was his predictions of it and I didn't know whether that was more sort of thing I know from the past than I have directly heard uh so this case he writes this way on purpose everything it used to be my sources say now it's I'm pontificating and and that could mean his sources or that could mean he's guessing and that's the trouble with mingi quo he he does have good resources and honestly I I would believe he's probably good guesser based on his resources uh but we still he is still a respectable member of this commun of this like leaker Community I guess and provides accurate enough information that we keep reporting on him like I don't think he's going to go away anytime soon but I would definitely take it with a larger grain of salt than before anyway but so I can hope that blue Will Survive okay it will at least be on the non-pro devices but okay couple last things before we close out uh I wanted to point out Vision Pro finally getting more media uh the tiniest morsel of course we're going to get another Adventure episode parkour um with this famous parkour guy that apparently Malcolm o knows all about I know nothing but that'll be fun I wonder how sick will get watching Parkour in um Apple Vision Pro that should be interesting I thought parkour was a type of coat or something but no it's where you jump over things really fast and do a bunch of like gymnastics you're we'll do that yeah okay yes very French very Assassin's Creed yeah if you ever seen Assassin's Creed gameplay which you probably probably avoided that some I've heard the name but okay um but yes uh so that's that exists Marvel announces a very interesting looking wh if immersive experience I think it takes about an hour to complete so that's nice um doesn't have any big hitter superheroes in it but it's still a you're being indoctrinated into this group of superpowered beings and you're going to get trained and it's this whole 3D thing that Disney made for Apple Vision Pro so that'll be cool I'm going to be checking that out personally and finally I wanted to point out Vision Pro news Waterfield Shield case so I finally got the review up that's been in the uh waiting room for a while but we finally posted it after all this iPad news I want you guys to go check it out this case is near perfect um it actually fits in bags I got a companion bag for it that it's obviously just made for it's so good um check that review out it does make me wonder William if so let me know if if this makes sense you go to the store and you buy a laptop bag to put laptops in right but laptop bags don't hold just laptops they hold you know keyboards and accessories and other maybe a snack um I want that for Vision Pro I want a Vision Pro backpack or uh shoulder bag that is has a slot for Vision Pro but also I can stick a keyboard in there maybe an iPad you know instead of it being cuz right now all I've seen for Vision Pro is the quote unquote cases not a bag you can make it a bag with like a strap or whatever but it's still a dedicated Vision Pro thingy I want a bag with a compartment for Vision Pro if that makes sense that distinction does this Waterfield case include uh room for it must include for the battery but what about you know the Main's cables and things well so it's actually kind of like Apple's travel case um it comes up with a little uh zipper pouch that acts as a protector for the lenses and holds Chargers extra straps but all little things um you could possibly squeeze a magic keyboard in there I wouldn't recommend it that feels like you're um adding a pressure point uh so honestly it's just for the Vision Pro and its accessories just like Apple's travel bag and obviously you're not going to fit a keyboard in there that so it's a bag built to put in another bag which I enjoy I like the bag in the bag philosophy love it but I would also like to see uh someone tackle the hey it's a laptop bag kind of but there's also a dedicated slot for Vision Pro and this is what that looks like I want to see someone tackle that design please explain to me why I'm this interested in a bag I can't buy for a device that I can't get and yet I am yeah okay it's so great I went with the canvas with chocolate leather because I like Indiana Jones as we all do um and it looks so good it's getting beat up in the best way I can rewax it if I need to but I'm not going to it's going to be a nice rugged looking bag and I'm I'm excited for it I use it I use it and its companion um bag for travel and everything now it's just so nice I love it well I think we're gonna have to cut it off right there so um thank you all for listening uh William where can people find you on the internet uh I'm going to go busing I think and try to raise enough money for bags and apple Vision pros and stuff but yet you can find me via email as people have been doing recently and I love this uh except they ask complicated questions and I'm still thinking about them but William at appleinsider.com that gets to me and I do relish it so thank you yeah maybe the Streets of London if you if you spot him go go give him a go shake his hand um as he plays the harmonica I suppose that would be your instrument so no I was just going to play my iPod my iPod I was going play my iPhone your AI pointed to people yes okay so of course thank you to all the sponsors uh notion and FastMail uh before I go I will say I'm as usual available on McDon and you can email me via the email attached to every article that I write you can find it at the top of the page under the email button and uh of course you won't find me busking but um you might find me using my iPad outside because that anot texture is beautiful this week subscribers will get an Apple Insider plus segment where we're going to discuss how we handle purchasing physical versus digital media and organizing that so stay tuned for that if youve paid if not we'll talk next weekhello and welcome to the Apple Insider podcast this is your host Wesley Hillard and I'm joined by William Gallagher our sponsors this week are notion and FastMail in addition to adree episodes paid subscribers get the bonus Apple Insider plus segment and this week we're going to talk about how we decide between digital and fiscal media when we buy something are we going to buy a DVD on Blu-ray are we going to buy it on iTunes if that even EX EXs anymore and how we manage those Collections and what goes behind that kind of thinking so that should be an interesting topic what do you think William I'm looking forward to that cuz I have a complicated confession to make about my next Blu-ray purchase considering I don't have a Blu-ray player but you're right we have to leave it till then yes okay of course but speaking of media I I wanted to start off the episode with um some really interesting news it was kind of happening as we recorded um the previous episode but it kind of flew by me uh but the Apple music announced that they were going to announce the 100 best albums of all time and the entire concept is funny to me because it's such a subjective concept but we've seen this before uh top 100 lists from Rolling Stone and um various magazines have have tackled this MTV has tried similar lists but um Apple music seems to be taking a very different approach and uh I wonder have you been paying attention to this at all I have yes but um it's different approach code for they got it wrong you don't agree with them it's not that no I think it really is just a different approach and I'm my musical taste is very broad uh so I did not have a strong opinion about this list because looking at it it it makes a lot of sense what's here um examining What's missing it makes sense why there are things missing I I've noticed a lot of people of course jumping in and saying why isn't so and so in this list why why is this one higher than the other uh I think the problem is is a lot of people see bits and pieces of the list but don't look into the actual what happened here and this isn't someone going and pulling an algorithm uh and saying hey Apple music what are the top 100 streamed albums that's not this list um this isn't even a panel of four judges went through and just picked a bunch of things that they really liked this is a globally vetted list that was sourced from hundreds of votes on what should be included and then an entire process of deciding uh of voting to get positioning basically of the top 100 so is this this complex process filled with artists music journalists uh producers composers um songwriters all kinds of people in the industry who should know uh people like you know I I would I would have to assume people like um what's his name Jimmy there's yeah there's too many there's too many Jay names I I wanted to say Johnny for some reason but jimy Jimmy iine I he uh yeah absolutely people like that Zan low I saw someone say yeah this is just a western picked list and it's like Zan low is from New Zealand right um so I don't know this and he's like the the uh main guy at Apple music so I I just wonder have you looked at this list and uh what do you think of what's on I studied this list and I am a Gass that the kids from Fame isn't anywhere in sight I figur they were probably at 101 that's where they probably came in at you even don't even know what the kids from Fame is I was trying to find an example there I thought should I try The Wombles or something you'd never get that thought it'd be safe with the kids from Fame but no I one maybe uh no I've never I've never heard of this no okay I can't say your musical education is lacking but I'd like to I I think the list is fine uh I'm intrigued by certain things on it I people seem upset that the list is comprised of I I would say the last 60 years or so of music but the last 60 years also includes the Last 5 Years and people are upset to say like how can you pick album that came out in 2018 as part of this top 100 list but again I think that just goes into the selection process they didn't go into detail but there's actually a lot of information about this list um Apple this is one of Apple's rare synergistic displays um that I actually really enjoy some people find it terrible I don't know why they have all these things why not take advantage of it but Apple music had playlists radio stations DJ's discussions uh all the way through this process you can go back and listen to those hour long there's an hourlong episode where where professional music people talk about 10 of the selections 10 at a time correct so there's a there's 10 hours of content just about this list and and uh the the Apple music versions play the music during it so it's really nice then there's the podcast side of this you can go listen to Apple podcasts with an apple music subscription where they go through the whole list similar to the radio shows just multiple cut-ups so you can just jump straight to a certain album but after you get to number one they break it up into a three-part documentary it's an audio documentary on Apple podcasts about their number one choice and we'll get to that in a moment and then on uh so you have the Apple music component the Apple podcast component and Apple news has a Jour the music journalist side of things with the Apple music section and Apple news with a bunch of coverage there as well so just really cool that they did this it feels like an event and I'm the only one attending because I don't know where if there's anyone on the internet actually talking about this it's it with the death of Twitter and the downfall of Reddit um as far as I'm concerned and my personal life I I know Reddit still exists it's just they kind of broke things there and I don't like it anymore um it feels like there's just where where do people talk about this stuff anymore and I'm assuming it's Tik Tok well I was going to say in person around water coolers or you know top of my head on podcasts I one thing I thought about this this was um guaranteed to be controversial there's no possible way any list could ever be right unless it's your own but it does intr I mean there's so much on here that I'd never heard of before and now in theory I could go listen to it except number one the miseducation of Lauren Hill I'm reasonably sure I bought that on CD whenever it actually came out I was wondering about that I don't think I've ever played it I can't think of a single thing from it so here's all this great stuff and I I hope I'm not going to ignore it and carry on I highly recommend um especially since we're having this discussion uh what is it now 16 years after the album released if you haven't properly yeah so because it come out in 1998 so if I'm doing that math right um I'm familiar with this so some people actually had never even heard of this album and that might be due to their age 16 years ago 1998 there's something wrong here and I can't it's am I doing oh I did do the math wrong my goodness see this is this is I I am permanently in like 2004 14 I guess cuz that's how years work in my head I never I always lose a decade in the math but no it's actually uh 26 years ago and I am now feeling much older oh that's a quarter of a century I've had that disc on a shelf it's a long time but okay so I was seven at the time so it's not like I was waiting in line at the record store to buy this but can I just say you're really not helping now that's just right I'm walking away from this discussion but looking at it now with my current understanding of music and I I understand this is Apple Insider podcast we won't spend too much on time on this guys don't worry um I have heard this album in places uh several times throughout my life just because of its importance and so I've never gone out of my way it's it wasn't like in my Apple music collection but I was at least familiar with it by by today um and it is fascinating that it is the number one choice um I think it makes a lot of sense look into the history of don't look at just the album look at the history of this album there is so much here and that audio documentary helps uh clarify some of this but it has to do with if you don't know who Lauren Hill is you definitely know who the Fuji are and uh these gosh what was that hit see now now I'm doing it um that they they it was it skyrocketed the Fugi to fame and they were actually in the middle um softly what's the song Killing Me Softly with words right no killing me softly with your song No with your song that's it yes it's a lot of words maybe that's why I couldn't remember the specific title but that that song is everywhere everyone knows that song I would be surprised if you hadn't heard it at some point even if you're you know under the age of 20 it's got It's had to have come up at some point and um anyway so she was on tour because of this album with the Fugi and in a relationship with wlif Jean and things went South and she met Bob Marley's son on tour and during all of this she she falls in love with him she's writing this solo album um she's pregnant she's being told by everyone hey abort that pregnancy uh focus on your career you just hit it big if you have a baby now it's all over and so this album became this righteous cry out of no I am this person who f is fighting for relevance and and in existence as a mother and as an artist and as a lover and it's just such a fascinating powerful story and you listen to the lyrics of the album and you listen to these songs to Zion brings tears to my eyes and caros Santana of course on the guitar just amazing uh but there's just so much history here John Legend at at like 17 years old is on the piano on everything is everything right like there's just so so much musical history here and so it makes it makes a lot of sense when you dig into it it's not of course Thriller which some people think is overrated there's a there's of course going to be a lot of discussion over why Prince you know why wasn't Prince ahead of Thriller with purple rain uh but one thing that the Apple music producers reiterated a 100 million times during the show that they did is this list they didn't even know what it was going to look like when it was finished because it was a voting process and they were surprised by the miseducation of Lauren Hill but they they like the choice but the list of course is meant to drive discussion and that's what it's done not everyone's going to agree with it but you of course it's going to make you have some introspection and say what would my top 100 list be and I recommend everyone go and check out at go listen to at least one song from every album just make an afternoon of it it's so fun there's so so much human history here and um the Apple music shows they did I think are really fun to listen to I love I just I can't get enough of the detail behind things we don't think about so the history behind a song but in a way this actually reminds me of the thing I've been doing this week is for no purpose at all other than fun playing with the New Logic PL logic PLO logic pro stem splitter you know the thing where it will take a track and split it out so you can listen to Just the vocal uh just the vocal just the drums just the bass guitar or apple calls it other would they mean everything else you can just do any of those or any combination of those so I was listening to Kate Bush's vocal on the central world with nothing around it and it's just mesmerizing for it and the fact that you then you take her out and you listen to Just the drum solos for it anything the work and the effort and the Artistry brilliant yeah so we got we got to move on because I just realized we've been talking about this for uh several minutes but I I I do want to point out one thing of uh I've seen it's I'll reiterate it's difficult to find discussion around this because Apple music isn't Spotify but a lot of people do use it and I don't think Apple made this expecting you know me to enjoy it right I I feel like there's an audience out there and there are people talking about it and that's great but some of the commentary I've seen around it is quite annoying if only because it seems like it comes from a place of just my favorite band wasn't represented in this so now I hate it automatically and that's just so shortsighted and and annoying and I and I wanted to point out part of this selection process again was I think they even just completely disregarded popularity there are a lot of popular award-winning albums in here of course many of these albums have been indoctrinated into the Library of Congress because of their contributions to humanity um but I think just that's part of it it's these musicians and artists that selected this list know the impact these albums had and that's the key albums some artists are amazing creators that write number one hits that are just chart topping amazing stuff but they're good at writing singles albums is the key term here that's why so my girlfriend is was asking so where's Dolly Parton on this list it's like well uh tell me one album Dolly Parton wrote that it was revolutionary and that you know that didn't happen because do Parton is an excellent songwriter that wrote a lot of very good singles across dozens of albums that she's released over time but not there was never an album that had six songs on it that was just like each one was just the Dolly Parton Banger it just didn't happen and then you know that's why you look at some of these and you say well why is this one ahead of this one and it's like yes this techno track from Germany or whatever um I forget the name of it but it influenced a lot of music yeah it's number like 57 and da Punk is ahead of them because everyone actually heard of Da Punk right it influence doesn't necessarily mean best a lot of these albums were influential and built the groundwork for something else to become more popular um but it doesn't necessarily mean that it should be ahead of it on the list either so it it's just so interesting to think about I think I I do actually agree except there's a bit there all of this focus on albums I think that's a good thing but streaming music has really destroyed the album hasn't it cuz we actually iTunes originally the music industry destroyed the album William you were there for this right I mean the music industry uh really pushed artists to prod all about my age but yes so they pushed artists to produce singles and then buried those singles on um 13 track CDs that had a bunch of garbage on it that they didn't have to pay for so the music industry was maximizing profit on CDs with terrible music one good song and you paid $13 for the honor and that's why the iPod was so important and iTunes and then you actually had Thriller where is the Thriller have six or eight singles off it so you bought a couple of those because you like them and then this is good I'll buy the album so net money you were out by not buying the album first okay but all right so is this apple saying come back album albums are great we're sorry that the music industry has gone this way I think I think Apple's had that stance for a while and you can see that in the way that they produce music because Apple does help produce some music um with some with certain artists and Apple's been a fan of creating these um they they'll bring an artist to a studio and have these broken down tracks and it's they they create these beautiful like messages of their work through through these uh collaborations and I think Apple has always been Pro um album and I think it's funny because like so some people's reaction was well Spotify would never and I think I agree for a different reason if only because Spotify doesn't have the creative Integrity to create a list like this um accurately it would just feel probably robotic and soulless and and I'm and I think that's fair uh because spotify's entire business is predicated on the fact that they they purchased an algorithm uh that is an amazing algorithm and makes awesome recommendations and playlists and that is the benefit of Spotify absolutely but they've leaned so heavily into that that's why Apple has reacted with humanity and that's why from day one of Apple music it's been human curated has been their Mantra and that hasn't changed in all these years this so reminds me of the first time I ever has R an algorithm for picking music it's about in the the 1980s I was working at BBC local radio and up to a certain point the DJs picked all their music the way 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incoming but a few days ago I posted on Macedon a statement saying hey wouldn't it be great if um Shuffle on Apple music could know when there's um skits or spoken tracks and just not include those when I'm just shuffling music uh because maybe I just want music to play and I don't want to hear a three minute Soliloquy about uh or or like a um a skit on a rap album where they're making fun of you know like just that kind of things like everyone knows what I'm talking about they they're everywhere um they're enjoyable on their own when I'm listening to logic's um incredible true story I am here to hear Steve Bloom uh and his raspy voice talking about space travel like I love that but I don't want to hear that when I'm just shuffling music working at my computer because uh that for whatever reason spoken tracks are take me out of something whereas music lets me lean into something so Apple seems to be seems to have heard my complaint they they've come out with a feature called smart transitions now we don't know what it does but it appears that it's going to use algorithms to determine exactly how every song transition can be improved by instead of just lowering the volume on one and raising the volume on other it's going to intelligently transition between tracks so I can only hope this is my assumption that that means maybe it'll know to get rid of the spoken tracks as well but that's just me uh wishcasting at this point point I can tell you the rule in radio if I can remember accurately is uh rather than feding out one and bringing in the other you're bring in the new one full volume and then fade out the old so that there's a consistent level of volume across the lot but what you're telling me is that you and apple are likely to destroy the start and the end of um dex's Midnight Runners Come On Eileen and I admit the start and the end are a bit rubbish before you get into the the bit we all remember uh but it's the artist's intention to do this and isn't there an argument that if spoken word stuff takes you out of it it well tough go listen to go listen to something else doesn't happen this is something that we talked about last episode so um passive watching was the topic on the last episode of having something on the TV but not actually paying attention to it well let me introduce William passive listening right I haven't forgiven you for the passive watching yet but all right add to the list um okay but yeah passive listening of course I mean obviously you know but like it's just I am a person who enjoys music in a way that's it's a hobby so I will sit down and actively listen to an album and study its lyrics and study the sound and really break it down with an amazing um set of speakers or headphones and and just really sit down and enjoy it that's when I want to hear it in the most pure form the way the artist intended no weird nonsense but again if I just have something on in the background somewhere um I'm I'm okay with a little bit of algorithm uh mixing I like the idea that I can have a built-in intelligent DJ that will do what so one of uh some of the best radio stations on Apple music uh live radio that they have they have apple music One um or apple music hits which is my preference usually uh some of the DJs will just stay out of it they'll you know they'll introduce themselves and every now and then they'll jump in and be like hey it's me you know Brook Reese or whatever I'm doing this thing today um but they'll just play the songs and then they will just jump between them sometimes you'll hear two minutes of a song sometimes you'll hear 30 seconds of the song but they will just blend them so well that it's just fun it feels like you're at a club almost because that's what live DJs usually do um it' be kind of cool to have um an algorithm do that for me and that could be a really fun party tool but again just the passive listening aspect of this sounds cool too I was at um I think it's called Uh Global radio I can't remember the name of the station here commercial station here in the UK uh visiting a friend who was presenting and she was playing some song it was about a minute into it and she thought you know I can't remember how this one ends what am I going to play out afterwards so while it was playing on air she listened to the end of it and figured out which advert segwayed best into it and when it came to that point played it and for me Raised on Radio stations with vinyl I thought that was just gorgeous that she was able to do that so being that kind of sorry oh go ahead no I just you're saying about new features I was reading about this this word really pass through that was coming to Apple music we don't know we have no idea I that's why I I wasn't even going to bring it up because it's just a word and a settings screen it has to do with Dolby Atmos that's that's as far as we can figure out but that's it we have no idea what it means or what it does my I have assumptions that we haven't written down because um assumptions are useless but sure uh I can assume that pass through is just a rebranding of a head-tracked Dolby Atmos but I think what they might do is use some intelligent instrument positioning because Dolby Atmos tracks gives us individual directional audio uh streams and maybe pass through will allow you to move the audio um out of your focal point and have it be again this passive listening thing and have it be behind or beside you while you work and then have what's in front of you be the focal point so maybe you have multiple audio streams going maybe you have a phone call on and some jazz in the background right so that's my that's what pass through sounds like to me is it's allowing um the audio to be passive but maybe I'm reading into it too much maybe it's literally just a Rebrand of headtracking Dolby Atmos I did once have a brief job where I was required to wear headphones so that I could listen to One audio stream in the left ear and a completely different Source in the right and monitor them both to report on something um but it that was not fun so I don't think I'll be switching that on deliberately but I don't really understand things like Dolby Atmos and stuff I guess I'm just going to have to wait till it happens and then listen to it to find out on atos can make a song better and it can ruin it depending on how it's mixed right okay I I mean I have definitely encountered some of some um spatial audio tracks as Apple calls it uh I've encountered some spatial audio that just makes a a song just be like what what what is what is happening to the music right now because the vocals are pushed too far away and the drums are taking over and whoever mixed this obviously um either didn't understand what the artist wanted or uh just did a poor job of it but uh that happens sometimes but most of the time I found spatial um tracks are really fun especially on homepods hm but moving on we have spent so much time on music I'm sure we we will now be rebranded as the Apple music podcast but uh let's get on to the next media thing emoji uh the thing that you hate the most no no let's stay on music please not Emoji no brief just briefly we we got a little sign of what possibly might be coming soon and I see one that looks just like William in this conversation the face with eyebags um um looks very unhappy and I'm I'm assuming that's the same look William's giving me right now though I can't see him uh splatter actually I'm sorry at this moment I'm giving you uh can't you see there you go the value of an emoji I just performed an emoji for you and I felt you got the point but okay I carry on with the list of things I'm never going to use but all right fingerprint leafless tree shovel harp I mean cute I guess cool there there's seven of them here I'm sure there there's going to be a lot of new positions and skin tones and things included other Emoji this this is something that we might not see until 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inssider that's FastMail fast as in really quick F mail is in well mail M A l.com appleinsider fastmail.com appleinsider and thanks to FastMail for supporting the Apple Insider podcast the iPad Pro uh we've had uh some time with it now I only had a very short time with it last episode but a lot of uh information has come out anything specific jump out to you William that you want to discuss yeah the fact that you've had and I've had grow for what I you said we but I hav envy gr yeah the Royal we the world was included Royal in that in in in that Wii yes I'm hearing quite constantly that it the M4 is overpowered for what the iPad can do um I'm also hearing questions of um whether it was worth uh the effort to move the camera around so that they had to do a new pencil couldn't they mount it on the other side um I'm hearing that all the speaker stuff inside has changed and I was wondering about is the sound quality actually as good as people say um well yeah there's yeah there's a lot of discussion around this I'll just say honestly it's an iPad uh it's an iPad Pro it's running iPad OS um the hardware is impossible it feels impossible um I wrote a Hands-On uh we we're saving the review for a little later because it feels like we can discuss things more clearly after having it for a while so um no early review this time the Hands-On take that as kind of the earlier review I guess just rebranded and we will be doing a full review um before WWDC so keep an eye out for that but um and also by the way I was on the iPad Pros podcast with uh Tim chatton and that was a lot of fun uh we spent literally a couple hours discussing the iPad and still ran out of time because there's so much to talk about um and that'll be out I believe before WWDC so uh I'll the show here it's actually available but right I'll make sure we have links to that cuz I want to hear that but yeah that's not this week it will probably be um literally the week of like that Friday WWDC right before it um which is actually coming up very quickly but for me the the the iPad Pro it's super thin none of my accessories work with it I'm working on replacing some stands that I have around the house um I'll be doing some roundups on those uh to discuss which ones are good and not and whatnot um the speakers they're they're still speakers I mostly still use my devices with uh earbuds um honestly between my phone and iPads I very rarely hear their natural speakers uh just cuz I'm just usually have some kind of uh Ear Pod in um and then but I'm sure they're they're amazing like the the iPad speakers have always been great they they actually can do weirdly spatial stuff even though they're coming out of a tablet um the ol we discussed this before so not to reiterate OLED of course beautiful great picture uh Nano texture I'm I'm still happy with my choice it's perfect I haven't broken anything but what about reports I don't know if this is more with Nan trure or not but that there's a graininess to the OLED screen that people weren't expecting the grainy display problem so people assume this is OLED but no or uh this this is nanotexture but this is actually to do with OLED and um I find it kind of funny so people are interesting on the internet to say the least um any technology has pros and cons and one of the cons of having all of your LEDs be a single light source on a giant panel means that you're more likely to find a way to see that at different viewing angles U more than perhaps you could with a backlight because the backlight is obscured by the pixel plane of the LED panel uh so you're not going to see that thing there's a word for it I what is it even mura I've never said this word out loud before but um Moira I've heard some people I guess pronounce it but um it's an effect that basically creates a kind of a grain I've never seen this um and I think the people seeing this are taking the macro camera on their phone and pushing it up against the screen to see it kind of thing like it's not it's not going to come up in regular use it it can sometimes occur because of irregularly um irregular voltage across the panel if you see anything that is that looks broken it's probably broken um so go to an Apple store with it but for me with my iPad and daily use so far I've never come across like a grainy screen whatever um that's supposed to mean I suppose like from the description I even from the photos it's just I've never seen this for my own use not again I think this is one of those weird things kind of like jelly scrolling you really have to go out of your way to find it um like taking a microscope to your display okay all right then that's remove the one barrier I had about buying it nanot texture I I got on this on the iPad Pros podcast um but nanotexture is such a funny discussion CU now that I've really had more time with it and and listen to other people's criticisms this is the first Apple product I think Apple's ever made that you can't get you you can't learn anything from looking at it through a video you can't learn anything from it from looking at it at an Apple Store the only way you're going to know whether or not nanotexture is for you is by buying it and taking it home that and I know that's terrible as a recommendation but the reality is the lighting conditions of real life are starkly different from an Apple store and you'll never get representative uh interactions with that nanotexture display it's always going to look overly bright over ly gray because there's just so much light in that room um and no that's not what sunlight looks like either sunlight isn't coming from a 100 different LED bulbs in the ceiling pointed at White Walls reflecting it off of the white floors and and brown tables real real sunlight is just a single source of light that create you know and of course the sky effect and all of that but it's different even when I'm outdoors with the iPad Pro if I'm looking at it from the proper angle it still looks like a clean Cris beautiful OLED display it's when light sources directly hit the screen that you start to notice that what you would call a graying effect in the blacks because the light is literally being diffused into the surface of the display and that causes blacks to light up a little bit but that Micron of difference in Black level is so worth the trade-off of I can see my display in any condition whereas yeah you can get perfect blacks on a glossy display but in the places where that graying effect's going to occur now you either see a perfect reflection of your face or a reflection of a giant light bulb in the background with you and you no longer see your content that's the trade-off so when people see these silly videos on YouTube of I'm standing side by side with a glossy display and a nanotexture display in real life you're never like if you buy one of these iPads you're never going to go home and have two iPads to compare side by side a lot of these display what people would consider Oddities or differences um are only visible if you have a reference point without a reference point it just looks like a display your eyes are really easy to trick our eyes are actually pretty stupid technology they're really it's it's really beautifully advanced in a way but your brain's also really dumb and pulling a lot of tricks on you and when you're looking at these displays and looking at the content you're it's like it's the it's the elephant thing I bring this up and every time um William gets mad cuz now he's thinking about elephants but if someone tells you to don't think about elephants the only thing you're going to think of is an elephant if you're holding an iPad with Nano texture and you say don't think about the Nano texture you're going to be thinking about the Nano texture but it really does just go away there are situations I'm not going to lie there are situations where you can see it it's there's a little bit of that glossy grayish reflection light stuff going on but again if that was just a glossy display that grayish thing happening on the display would just be a giant bulb reflection or my face so I I I think the trade-off is is worth that for me it's not for everyone don't upgrade to a 1 tby model just to get nanotexture if you're buying 256 pretend it doesn't exist right this is just the people who are buying one taby or plus models yeah but you're saying that one terabyte that reminds me um you went for one you maxed out in every way except the storage you went for one terab instead of two terabytes and I can't remember the cost but it sounds to me like you are happy having gone the way you did that you wouldn't have like to skip the n texture and put that money towards 2 terabytes for examp no I I I I'm happy with the nanotexture and two terabytes is way too much for me I need more than 512 for sure cuz I I will I will easily exceed that um I've been slowly adding apps to the iPad as I need them I I always start new and just download apps when I decide that I need a certain feature um funny enough this is this is weird I I haven't done much I I think I've haven't done much web housing outside of work because I haven't downloaded one single Safari content blocker engine or anything nothing um which is abnormal for me but that might just be um in how iCloud um what is that called this the safety thing that they do iCloud something it can't it keeps um keeps switching on and off so often it's burnt into my head private relay private relay so between private relay and certain other Safari features I feel like the web is somewhat tolerable but there are definitely websites that I open and I'm just like inundated with popups and ads and it's so annoying so I might break that and go and get my usual content blocker but I haven't got that far yet I'm I'm really interested in iOS 18 and it's um new engine that it's bringing where you get to select parts of the page to uh erase but uh maybe that'll uh replace my content blockers because apparently um I do fine without them for the most part um uh but also I'm I'm browsing respectable web pages that aren't in inundating me with um nonsense so that I think there there's a difference there uh of course there's also this idea I think probably wishful thinking that iPad OS 18 is going to change everything and suddenly we'll understand why the iPad Pro has an M4 and all this power there is a there is a bit to that um two well two things we we have heard that the M4 is because of the display sure uh display controllers we discussed that before but we got another hint so um John turnis andg jaak have been on their little press tour I think that's over now but um yeah I G I gave them cake when they came to me yes they were they were very nice Victoria sponge if you're wondering okay did you go meet them on the roof I I love that um this the they interviewed everyone on the roof of that um was it battle sea building and uh Greg jby actually in a a peac coat and sunglasses and it was just I don't know just looked mob bossy like they were having this meeting on the roof and he's here to let me tell you about the iPad you know um right okay but he did make a mention of something that didn't I think it went mostly unnoticed but for me it kind of stuck um he made the mention that iPad Pro and I I maybe I hallucinated I tried to find it again and he kind of says it in one interview there's so many of them I I'll never find it again but he he alluded to the fact that the iPad Pro it is basically representative of Apple's first AI first PC basically this AI personal computer and that you know our updates that are coming later this year he didn't say WWDC of course cuz he won't give that specific but he's like yeah Tim's basically been saying this is coming it is coming AI is important to we've been doing this for years um you know it's ML and previously um proactive uh application features and Siri but now we're going to get into Ai and what people call it and iPad Pro is predisposition to be an excellent AI computer because of that M4 chip and I think that may be the story uh for iPad OS 18 and that's really interesting to me this is either going to be the most interesting or the least interesting WWDC in years it's not going to be a middle of the road kind of one I think yeah I I think it's exciting and people people need to not get ahead of themselves um look at look at all the problems that exist with existing AI tools right uh they make up information hallucinations are everywhere even Google's new tool I see every day people posting nonsense reported by Google's let me summarize it for you feature um and it's just wrong wrong wrong and it's and it like and Google leaned heavily into this and then open AI having their snafu with um turns out they hired an actress that Pro that sounds very close to Scarlet Johansson's voice there probably going to be a law yes well oh no it came out that they showed they they went and said no here here's they have documentation showing they hired a real actress this wasn't made up that people assumed it was made up but I still think they went out of their way to find a the alleged bit yes I believe it was an actress but the suggestion that it was performed Like Scarlett Johansson is a dodgy issue um I mean I haven't actually heard it and but she's lawyered up apparently uh asking them questions about it as she should so it's just this very breathy voice you know it Scarlett Johansson has such a very specific voice um yeah that think mimicking it is obvious and this this feels like they're they're doing a performance it's not just someone speaking so um in any case there's so many controversies and issues around these tools I think Apple sees this I think they're they're very intelligent about handling these types of things and they want to avoid it so don't go into Apple's WWDC expecting to see a a a this this term is now loaded but it it it has different meanings than what I'm going to say app Apple's going to have a me too moment for uh copying Google and open Ai and all of that that's not what Apple's out to do they're going to do their own thing so I don't think we should go out there expecting here's Apple's answer to Gemini and uh it's a chatbot and it's does all the like it's going to be AI technology and it's there's going to be similar feature sets and abilities that you can accomplish but I would very much expect Apple's going to distance itself as much as it can from the controversial side of this and openly say we did this with privacy in mind we paid actors we paid for photos we we got the training legally and on top of all of that it's on device it's personal it's private and it's in your total control and I think that story accompanied by Apple's spefic specific hardware and software integration we're going to see something identifiable you know a cousin of what exists but unique because it's Apple talking about it and I think people will either dismiss it because it's not open AI or they'll accept it because it's Apple so we we'll see what that looks like so iPad Pro we have the rest of time to talk about I mean I want anyone who has any questions please uh email me um or you know write me on Macedon I I'm loving this device I'm excited to write the full review I've gotten started on that already um apple pencil Pro casting a 3D rendered Shadow I mean come on that's just Apple Magic all the way through yes but yeah ridiculous and perfect as well I mean you got to applaud that effort I think yeah go go look at the iPad Pro tear down um the logic board is now in the center on this new Skeleton thing they've built to make sure that uh guys can't bend it in half as easily on on YouTube at least not horizontally um the Apple logo acts as a heat sink all of uh your hands are on the edges so your hands won't get hot anymore cuz your hands are holding it by the edge of a battery and not used to be iPads would have the logic board on a side and that was fine but all the heat would settle on one side and fry your hand if you were holding it by that so like there's so many intelligent design choices here it's more than just a thinner iPad um I hope everyone's been paying attention to the content we've been putting out there's a lot of stuff in show notes here we're not going to get to today but again if you have any specific questions as we get closer to WWDC and as this new cycle continues to just be explosive there's so much to talk about in no time yeah um we will definitely Target any specific things that you guys want to hear about but we do need to move on to the Future William uh the future yes not even the iPhone 16 the iPhone 17 oh okay uh iPhone 17 the best iPhone we've ever made is what Apple's going to say isn't it they say it every time yeah so let's skip 16 fact let's skip let's wait for the iPhone 20 why not that's going to be un ironically I see people post things like that on the internet I'm waiting for the iPhone 18 I'm like man just it's okay it's okay but um the iPhone 17 rumors are interesting cuz it's it's too far ahead we don't know it it could be Center cool it's going to use technology from the iPad Pro but the thing that stood out to me was the iPhone 16 plus will be the last plus model that we get is this a surprise well no because um we have the iPhone we have the iPhone Pro theph Max and then there's this it's not quite revolving door of uh iPhone Mini or iPhone plus but the Plus or the mini they never seem to sell as well as Apple hopes something changes so they're too Niche they're way too Niche it's asking the question of what if you wanted an iPhone but less features for more money and that's basically the iPhone mini and iPhone plus because the plus is basically the pro without the features pay an extra couple hundred bucks and now you have the pro and name and that's what people end up doing the price ladder doesn't need it you can upscale the base iPhone up to a Pro price if you get enough storage I they just they became redundant no hang on the the iPhone Mini uh versions were always I mean exactly the same as the iPhone but in a small is like a bonus isn't it so you're paying more I can remember with the prices but uh the size is a bonus and so many people love the size of me I think we forget sometimes that a niche product for apple is half a billion or something ridiculous and stuff that would keep I would make other companies ecstatic um I personally think the mini should never have gone away but yeah even more weirdly Apple's going to continue the four phone plan but this time I I don't know why they keep shuffling this around just go back to three or add the mini make the SE the mini I don't know just but just pick one cuz we keep changing this every other year but it looks like the lineup is going to be iPhone 17 iPhone 17 Pro iPhone 17 Pro Max iPhone 17 Ultra and we've heard this rumor before true and orbiting all of this the iPhone SE 4 or five or Whatever It Is by then I keep forgetting about that I mean it is in the lineup but it just feel like a very separate product launched at a different time and all this but it's still around I mean making the pro Max aluminum um and the pro aluminum are just a better aluminum than the the base model uh making the designs like maintaining the same design uh layout maybe giving them ever so slightly richer colors because they're going back to a different uh they're going back to the standard kind of design philosophy more or less for the pros you're you're paying for the Basse model because you just want the absolute lowest end Flagship and then you're paying for the Pro Models because you want the better cameras but then what do you get with the ultra the ultra rumor is basically it's thinner it's titanium and it has every stop you could imagine best cameras 5x uh telephoto all of that stuff um built in so I don't know I don't buy it this is such an early rumor we'll see what the iPhone 16 looks like before we start judging that but speaking of i iPhone 16 William uh we need to play Taps on the program as we say goodbye to the blue titanium color no no you can't get rid of blue according to analysts uh m qu who has his uh pulse on the supply chain it looks like Apple's going to replace blue Titanium with a rose pink titanium okay I'm never quite sure with Mingo cuz he I mean he feels like he's freelanced now and half of the time he's very clear that what he's saying is from his sources in the supply chain and then half the time he's a little bit not and with this I didn't read that about the Roose go but I read the top line which was his predictions of it and I didn't know whether that was more sort of thing I know from the past than I have directly heard uh so this case he writes this way on purpose everything it used to be my sources say now it's I'm pontificating and and that could mean his sources or that could mean he's guessing and that's the trouble with mingi quo he he does have good resources and honestly I I would believe he's probably good guesser based on his resources uh but we still he is still a respectable member of this commun of this like leaker Community I guess and provides accurate enough information that we keep reporting on him like I don't think he's going to go away anytime soon but I would definitely take it with a larger grain of salt than before anyway but so I can hope that blue Will Survive okay it will at least be on the non-pro devices but okay couple last things before we close out uh I wanted to point out Vision Pro finally getting more media uh the tiniest morsel of course we're going to get another Adventure episode parkour um with this famous parkour guy that apparently Malcolm o knows all about I know nothing but that'll be fun I wonder how sick will get watching Parkour in um Apple Vision Pro that should be interesting I thought parkour was a type of coat or something but no it's where you jump over things really fast and do a bunch of like gymnastics you're we'll do that yeah okay yes very French very Assassin's Creed yeah if you ever seen Assassin's Creed gameplay which you probably probably avoided that some I've heard the name but okay um but yes uh so that's that exists Marvel announces a very interesting looking wh if immersive experience I think it takes about an hour to complete so that's nice um doesn't have any big hitter superheroes in it but it's still a you're being indoctrinated into this group of superpowered beings and you're going to get trained and it's this whole 3D thing that Disney made for Apple Vision Pro so that'll be cool I'm going to be checking that out personally and finally I wanted to point out Vision Pro news Waterfield Shield case so I finally got the review up that's been in the uh waiting room for a while but we finally posted it after all this iPad news I want you guys to go check it out this case is near perfect um it actually fits in bags I got a companion bag for it that it's obviously just made for it's so good um check that review out it does make me wonder William if so let me know if if this makes sense you go to the store and you buy a laptop bag to put laptops in right but laptop bags don't hold just laptops they hold you know keyboards and accessories and other maybe a snack um I want that for Vision Pro I want a Vision Pro backpack or uh shoulder bag that is has a slot for Vision Pro but also I can stick a keyboard in there maybe an iPad you know instead of it being cuz right now all I've seen for Vision Pro is the quote unquote cases not a bag you can make it a bag with like a strap or whatever but it's still a dedicated Vision Pro thingy I want a bag with a compartment for Vision Pro if that makes sense that distinction does this Waterfield case include uh room for it must include for the battery but what about you know the Main's cables and things well so it's actually kind of like Apple's travel case um it comes up with a little uh zipper pouch that acts as a protector for the lenses and holds Chargers extra straps but all little things um you could possibly squeeze a magic keyboard in there I wouldn't recommend it that feels like you're um adding a pressure point uh so honestly it's just for the Vision Pro and its accessories just like Apple's travel bag and obviously you're not going to fit a keyboard in there that so it's a bag built to put in another bag which I enjoy I like the bag in the bag philosophy love it but I would also like to see uh someone tackle the hey it's a laptop bag kind of but there's also a dedicated slot for Vision Pro and this is what that looks like I want to see someone tackle that design please explain to me why I'm this interested in a bag I can't buy for a device that I can't get and yet I am yeah okay it's so great I went with the canvas with chocolate leather because I like Indiana Jones as we all do um and it looks so good it's getting beat up in the best way I can rewax it if I need to but I'm not going to it's going to be a nice rugged looking bag and I'm I'm excited for it I use it I use it and its companion um bag for travel and everything now it's just so nice I love it well I think we're gonna have to cut it off right there so um thank you all for listening uh William where can people find you on the internet uh I'm going to go busing I think and try to raise enough money for bags and apple Vision pros and stuff but yet you can find me via email as people have been doing recently and I love this uh except they ask complicated questions and I'm still thinking about them but William at appleinsider.com that gets to me and I do relish it so thank you yeah maybe the Streets of London if you if you spot him go go give him a go shake his hand um as he plays the harmonica I suppose that would be your instrument so no I was just going to play my iPod my iPod I was going play my iPhone your AI pointed to people yes okay so of course thank you to all the sponsors uh notion and FastMail uh before I go I will say I'm as usual available on McDon and you can email me via the email attached to every article that I write you can find it at the top of the page under the email button and uh of course you won't find me busking but um you might find me using my iPad outside because that anot texture is beautiful this week subscribers will get an Apple Insider plus segment where we're going to discuss how we handle purchasing physical versus digital media and organizing that so stay tuned for that if youve paid if not we'll talk next week\n"