**Exploring Portable 14-16 Inch Monitors for iOS Devices**

The concept of portable 14-16 inch monitors for iOS devices is an exciting development that has garnered attention from tech enthusiasts and gamers alike. The idea of being able to plug in a monitor to your iPad or iPhone and use it as a secondary display is already supported by some apps, including the popular Test Flight app. However, this feature is still in its infancy, and more apps need to be developed to take full advantage of it.

For those interested in trying out this technology, there are already affordable options available. The cheapest option on the market is the "AirDuo" monitor, which connects via a USB-C dongle and displays at full HD resolution. Since the Switch can only output up to 1080p, this monitor is more than sufficient for any gaming or productivity needs.

The potential benefits of using a portable monitor with an iOS device are numerous. Imagine being able to open multiple windows and apps simultaneously, all on one screen, without having to sacrifice valuable space on your home screen. This feature would be particularly useful for gamers who want to compare notes or check out tutorials while playing their favorite games. For example, you could open a Safari window with tips on how to play a game, have a quick note slide up from the corner of the screen to jot down important information, and then quickly switch between apps without having to minimize or maximize windows.

The idea of using an iPad as a streaming device for services like Twitch is also exciting. With the right hardware and software setup, it's possible that iPads could become a viable alternative to traditional gaming consoles. While we're still waiting for official support from Apple, there are already some apps that can be used in conjunction with this technology.

**Apple Arcade and Puzzle Games**

In other news, Apple Arcade has expanded its puzzle game offerings, including Sudoku. The app's developer has released new puzzles daily, each taking around 1-2 minutes to complete once you figure out the solution. While not as challenging as some other puzzle games, these mini-puzzles are a great way to pass the time and exercise your brain.

Additionally, Apple News+ has introduced crosswords as part of its lineup of puzzle games. The Min Crossword series is particularly popular, with each puzzle taking around 1-2 minutes to complete once you figure out the solution. While not as extensive as some other crossword offerings, these mini-crosswords are a great way to keep your brain sharp and engaged.

**Apple News+ Updates**

Unfortunately, Apple News+ has been facing some challenges in recent months, including criticism over its limited content selection and lack of support for certain devices. However, the app's developers have been working hard to address these concerns and improve the overall user experience.

One notable update is the introduction of a new "Puzzles" section in the Apple News+ menu, where users can find daily puzzles from various sources. While not all puzzles are available as part of this section, it's a great way for users to discover new puzzle games and challenges.

**The Future of iOS and Gaming**

In other news, we're waiting with bated breath for the release of Apple's latest software updates, including the iOS beta. Rumors abound about new features and improvements that will enhance the gaming experience on our favorite devices.

One feature that has generated a lot of excitement is the possibility of using iPads as dedicated gaming consoles. While this technology is still in its early stages, it has the potential to revolutionize the way we play games on our mobile devices.

**The Future of Apple Earnings**

Finally, we're looking forward to seeing how Apple recovers from its recent earnings slump. The company's Q4 results were disappointing, and investors are eagerly awaiting news about future plans and initiatives. While it's too early to say what the future holds for Apple, one thing is certain: the company will continue to innovate and push the boundaries of what's possible with technology.

**Conclusion**

As we look back on our conversation, it's clear that there's still a lot of excitement around portable monitors, puzzle games, and gaming on iOS devices. Whether you're a gamer, puzzle enthusiast, or simply looking for new ways to use your device, there's something here for everyone. We'll continue to explore these topics in future episodes and share our thoughts on the latest developments in the world of tech.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello welcome to the Apple Insider podcast this week brought to you by Babble and fastgo trees more of whom later and this week not brought to you by Steven robless your regular host is off having adventures and I'm William Gallagher sitting in for him sitting in for him just as Apple makes its latest big announcements about earning money you know how this went time was Apple made its cash to the mac and then to the iPhone and so on and somewhere along the line it introduced small services like extra iCloud storage and large ones much larger ones like apple music and Apple tv plus this week Apple has again showed the wisdom of that split between hardware and services because together they gave Apple a better third Financial quarter of 2023 than expected between services and Hardware Apple reported a total revenue of 81.8 billion for the quarter which is down 1% compared to this time last year but it's also fractionally up on analyst's expectations which had predicted $ 81.3 billion Apple said that Services saw an alltime record pulling in $21.21 billion which is some 8% more than a year ago at the same time though iPhone sales were down they were down 2% year onye to 39.67 billion the iPad was down further seeing a whole 20 % drop to $5.79 billion and the Mac was down 7% to 6.84 billion for the quarter joining me to discuss how Apple makes its money and also actually can I say some more interesting things about products to come Rumors in the air all sorts of things is Apple insiders Wes helard Wes hello hello William um is is my connection coming through okay all the way over there across the ocean oh yes it's all the way here all the way back to you but what I can hear most clearly in your voices that you were really quite worried for Apple there you thought they might not have made as much money as they did right and I think Wall Street has the same problem that they're always worried Apple's just not going to make the trillions of dollars that they always do and uh yeah they're just they're rolling in it as proverbially and I think I think they're going to be fine well I I had a sleepless night last night I I don't mind telling you there at all yeah okay you're just now you're just looking at me I think it's an important thing to point out that actually despite the fact they made all this money this is really usually Apple's quietest time of the year but its busiest time it's like the very next quarter because we're heading into iPhone season and everything's going to be amazing and great and Apple's going to double its money I I want to I want to make a note of that William because you say it's Apple's quietest time it used to be the the period of time between about June and and September would actually be just Dead news the developers would be kneee in projects Apple would be quiet but it hasn't really been that quiet has it like I I feel like the year is just being jam-packed with more and more apple as time goes on it's a good point like here we are just drowning in Apple TV plus trailers and yeah uh information about liel Messi and uh sorry Li mes oh uh sportball I just put together Sport and football into one word and I think I did it disparagingly you're not the first sports ball it's our favorite topic sports ball all right no but yes it just feels like everything is news now and everything is Apple and uh it's just slowly taking over our world more than it already has I just find it interesting right you put I I'm quite keen on Apple stuff you may have gathered this but you put it that way and suddenly the world seems a bit ominous Apple Banking news Apple sports news ah well fortunately we still don't have apple card in the UK so always have to remind you of that at least once yeah but for once I can think ha we're resisting a apple not trying to give us Apple card anyway um it will be giving us Apple 15 Apple 15 the iPhone 15 the whole iPhone range three or four models everything great we're all going to buy the iPhone 15 Pro everybody excited about it but apparently uh M quo is nah what do you think about these analysts this here it's not only minki quo there's a couple of other people and uh one other notable leaker uh who is uh unknowns 21 on Twitter uh is also down on the iPhone 15 thinking this is going to be a sour year because of minimal upgrades well I generally treat them the same way I do I may from time to time predict that the Apple car is coming out next Tuesday and it will be in blue because I reckon um nobody pays any attention until I'm right and then I am this amazing person who just you know you should pay attention to and give all your money to as well probably I think that's analyst logic yes no yes please I find it interesting that the it's it's almost like we we erase our memories or somewhere around June 22nd of what happened the previous year because I feel like every single year we get this messaging from analysts of it's Apple's worst year ever they're just not ready to launch an iPhone they're going to be behind in supply chain they're going to the features just aren't there they had to abandon all these cool things because they just didn't work and this iPhone's going to be terrible and no one's going to buy it and iOS 17's full of bugs yada yada yada and then Blockbuster quarter Blockbuster quarter record sales uh best iOS release ever what's going on and then WWDC the next year hits and they're like wow this this is amazing iOS 18 just trumps iOS 17 iOS 17 was the buggiest release ever 18 is so great and it's like we just reset the clock every every June and uh have the same conversations over and over again like we're stuck in Groundhog Day right I feel like you've just given us a Year's worth of news in one go okay I'm sorry did I spoil the secret of the Apple Insider podcast we we had it uh yes um okay so there's that but analysts perform a useful purpose I just not 100% sure what it is they can take 50 words and make it into 500 they're really good at that yes but now we can all do that with chat GPT spin this out a bit longer yeah okay I believe uh so so Market the notes now this is going to be another iPhone year and every year is an iPhone year people are going to upgrade who need it it's going to sell very well and they're going to make a lot of money I don't think it there's any confusion about that okay I do remember in all serious I've quite often heard various people from Apple saying that they they take the Long View over things and I remember first thinking that's just cuz there's been some news lately hasn't there but actually you listen to this you think about it and yeah Apple's just going to keep being apple and it's going to work out and the rest of us are just going to kind of flutter around predicting one way or the other I've just lumped Us in with analysts um right so I I I've had to write a few of these notes and the general consensus is is like the smartphone industry is declining um but every note I've seen is the cheap Android handsets that sell on the $200 end are declining that nobody's buying new handsets because they're they're happy with their they they bought you know a pro proverbial garbage and they're happy with their garbage they're not going to upgrade their garbage right like it's it's it's just good enough it does what they need it accesses Facebook it accesses um X and uh yeah so it it does what they need to do and they move on with their day they're not they're not obsessed with technology they don't need the latest and greatest but then you know once you get past the $5 $600 prod price point especially in Apple's territory the premium Market is selling really well but specifically iPhones because Apple users are buying them over and over again whether whether or not it's every year doesn't matter it's everyone's on enough of a replacement cycle that it's always Apple that they're buying and Android's just getting less and less replacement cycles and Apple's gaining more and more adopters if I remember right uh Apple hit 50 52% um uh of the market in the United States this last quarter uh during sales because Androids just keep slipping which is very interesting considering Apple's always been the underdog in the United States um as far as sales goes because again they're competing with the dozens and dozens of free to $200 phones so it's it's a fun Market this week there was a market research report this week from uh Counterpoint research talking about South Korea which is always interesting because that's where Samsung is based and it's you know big home territory for it um I can't remember the figures for this but it's something like yeah I can 85% of people surveyed uh all aged under 30 all living in South Korea 85% of them said their very first smartphone ever was an Android but 52% of them in that same survey said now they're on an iPhone it's just like a massive switch away it's one of those things where um May maybe I don't know maybe I'm just getting older maybe I'm not paying attention as much but there was a time when I could tell you the primary selling points of the largest flagships available right I could name the I could name the newest Samsung say exactly what it did differently why it was uh this price you know talk about the folds talk about the iPhones and compare and contrast and I and I'm paying as much attention I write about it for now this is back when it was just a hobby for me but now it's part of my job to know all these things and I'm telling you it is getting difficult like what what what was the flagship feature of the Samsung device this year that it's got a new number on it and it can take moon photos that are fake right like I I don't it it feels like yes this the smartphone market is maturing but at the same time I feel like that the feature sets the gimmicks are becoming less and less um useful and I think people are starting to pay attention to that and I think the market is showing especially considering um the you know global economy is on a decline so people have less money to spend they're they're less likely to buy something they don't feel like offers enough of an upgrade and that goes for Apple too but again for whatever reason Apple is beating that Trend they're able to continue making sales and until he said that about Apple too I was thinking does this just not mean that smartphones are over they've done everything they possibly can which is an amazing amount but we're all done now uh we should move on to headsets or something next no okay well well headsets and air tags too apparently yeah what um minko who said no about iPhone 15 demand I think he's just having a mare really uh because he's also anti um Apple's AI app he's saying nah we're not seeing that in 2024 Bloomberg say yeah we are no we're not yeah we are and somewhere along the way I got quite a little lost in his logic here Ming Cho managed to link the sales of the iPhone 15 to the sales of the Vision Pro and say that along the way there will be an air tags too and all I can think about since I heard that is what in the world would be different can you conceive of anything I don't even know that they would call it air tag to I think they would just call it air tag and just release a different shape that does slightly different things uh this one uh will would would have a temperature sensor in it and you can put it in your room and look at it with Vision Pro or something I I'm not sure exactly what they're trying to conceive of here but I think it'll just be more more sensors smaller space maybe a wallet version like they can just do different shapes I don't think it's going to necessarily be like a second generation on paper even though we might refer to it that way um yeah I to I actually wondered about different colors but I didn't think about different shapes well I just I think the accessories solve that I mean I like half of my air tags I can't even see because they're behind pieces of plastic or rubber um this isn't a device to be seen even though Apple made it you know beautiful from from a technical standpoint right like they they it's shiny um aluminum on one side uh plastic white encasing emojis on top like they' they made it Pleasant to look at but at the same time it's very easy to hide away and I think that it will continue to be the purpose they're not going to make an air tag that you're going to wear on your head um I mean the air tag earring right uh never lose your earrings again because it is literally a tracking device but right I I I to to dovetail off that because I don't think there's much to say about air tags 2 other than they they exist and there's probably going to be some component that works with Vision Pro again I think this is just it's reaching a little bit I think um it makes sense that anything with the U1 chip anything that has uh hypers specific location information will uh be useful to the headset because it'll have um location anchoring like say I could uh place a air tag let's call it an air tag marker instead of it being for device like safety like uh whe whether or not you lose it let's call it um an uh augmented reality marker where you put it in your room somewhere so whenever you're wearing the Vision Pro headset you assign a um app to it so that a little radio is sitting on on top of that in 3D space and you can walk over to it and interact with it when you're wearing the Vision Pro and that's always wherever that air tag is you can pick up the air tag and therefore you pick up the radio like there there's ways you can do this and uh Be Clever about it and I think that's what Apple's thinking about here and that's why M quo who is seeing the supply side of things might be getting some wires crossed it'll be interesting to see their implementation I'm afraid I just cannot get out of my head the idea of air tag earrings I cuz there are people um I don't know how they do it that have kind of distended loes and have inserted things into or giant holes increasingly add larger and heavier things to their ears until they get bigger it's it's it's very much a fashion trend okay I feel slightly queasy of course about the thoughts I I wanted to bring up something before we move too far past it you mentioned Apple Ai and I wanted to point out I wrote an entire what we call an inside page it's kind of our um internal Wikipedia kind of thing that we maintain about everything about Apple and you can find it in the show notes but um Apple AI very much exists I hate the words uh that I'm saying AI is uh the incorrect term but the industry has landed on it for some reason but um Apple's machine learning protocols everything they've been working on has been very openly public Apple's machine learning if St stay with me if you remember this William uh the keyboard on the first iPhone used machine learning to predict where the person's finger was was going to go because uh your thumbs were so large that you would just Mash six different keys at the same time but the algorithm would determine what key you meant to press based on what you were typing that's how far back Apple's machine learning goes and it goes even before that into the max but I'm too young to know anything about that so I'm leaning on the iPhone yeah you kind of trumped me there the best I can do is I I found a quote from Tim Cook from 2016 in which he enthuses well actually explicitly enthused about artificial intelligence for it uh it shut up about it since it's always machine learning since but it's a again it's Apple's um method they they try to avoid industry terms because they don't want to be associated with the rest of the industry they want to be separated and seen as above and that's why they won't say VR when they're talking about their headset just like they won't say AI when they're talking about machine learning because they want to be separated from that which is smart it's a marketing thing but yeah it works oh well I like that one I don't like it I comeing it was but you suddenly noticed with the release of a new I think it might even back in the power book days they started talking about it being so many millimeters thin right instead of thick it's like oh enough yeah little bit so it's interesting to to to talk about this because we've seen a few reports uh from industry heads that should know better I think again this goes back to sadly the um position media is in on the internet needing to be slightly Sensational I don't really believe that apple is behind on AI I and uh because machine learning just computer-based intelligence is is the more proper term but like computers that you can teach to do things based on things that they've learned um I don't think Apple's behind on that because they've proven time and time again from like I said the keyboard on the original iPhone having to learn typing and that's always been there and the algorithms improved over time uh Siri is a machine learning algorithm that has been built on the Siri intelligence that runs everything on your device device from calendar recommendations to app recommendations on the lock screen and in search all of that is machine learning and it's all on device and it's all private and on top of all of that Apple has one of the industry leading people in the space uh John Gan Andrea I think is how you pronounce it uh he is their AI lead and spe he it's one of the few places on Apple's website you will find the term AI um because he is an industry expert in it and they actually poached him from Google I believe when he came over and he's been there for years I think since 2016 or so and so all of this doesn't tell me Apple is behind if anything it's the usual Apple thing of they're building a product in secret and they'll put it out like the I know you've accidently installed the betas on a few things what do you think of this new Transformer Model auto correct oh actually I'm really surprised how much I like it uh it took a while for me to really notice a difference because it was obviously learning things and now it's still only predicting aut cre and then predicting a couple of words ahead but I truly believed it would be the most distracting thing ever and instead no it's just speeding up everything it helps and it keeps me from spelling mistakes a lot cuz uh yeah there's a lot of tricky words out there and um I try to be too clever with my wording sometimes and it's like no no this is this is how you say what you're trying to say here and it's definitely been useful and I like that you can just hit space and continue um every now and then it tries to mess up like you'll you'll be typing and you're on something that doesn't need a period but it so it thinks it needs to continue and then you hit space and then it adds whatever words it thinks needs to go there and you didn't intend on adding anything else there there's a couple little spots where it needs Improvement but I really like it so far but that is just a taste of Apple's work in this field and I think minki quo and Bloomberg are both wrong about this because what Bloomberg is saying is there's an app coming out I don't know what that app would be in 2024 and and quo saying that that's delayed well I think they're both wrong there's no app uh it's just a set of features Apple might be you know compartmentalizing all those features within an app internally and calling it whatever Chad or whatever name it is and um I think that is being pulled out and pieced together into different features across the operating system I don't believe will'll ever see an apple chatbot I don't think we're going to see a specific quote unquote AI GPT Style app I think it's just going to be implemented across the system and improving things specifically we should see something with Siri soon I think but um I don't think it's going to be one major roll out and I think Apple's going to do their usual thing and try not to even mention it as a major roll out they're just going to say here's this feature and it's very nice I I think we're thinking the same thing here with chat GPT and all the rest it seemed to me look here's a thing and what can we do with it whereas Apple will come out with here's a thing you can do and it is paid by this tool they will focus on the use rather than the technology for it it goes back to my analogy and I know I'm talking a lot I I'll let you speak speak um it goes back to my analogy of um inventing the wheel and then using it as a table right you you've you're almost there right you're almost there but you're using it for the wrong thing it happened with cryptocurrency and nfts it happened with the gpts I don't believe chatbots are a future I honestly think they're kind of moronic um but the to tools that built that the advanced large language models or or for crypto the decentralization of information or 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was it too old or lost track now but age related comment there um this week as we record this we know for a fact that Apple has at least looked at Siri learning how to lip read now the moment I read that I thought of something did it come into your head as well or are you just staring at me BL I love 2001 I I really enjoy that movie right you probably saw it on your iPhone whereas I saw it in the cinema I watch on television but you know I don't I don't watch movies on a phone that's crazy I can't do that well I have um but I'm not traveling enough to do that if I was on a bus yes I would watch something on my iPhone or iPad but that's just not a situation I find myself in very often it's a funny world is it I actually very clearly remember um when mobile phones as we call them here came out you would be on the bus and you wouldn't use one because um it just everybody around you would think bad things there were jokes about it here if you'd like to uh yeah I I understand what you're leading to no if you if you want me to date myself William I I will tell you my experience with traveling with technology let's see okay um I would be getting on the school bus to go to high school and I would pull out my iPod Nano um I believe the fourth generation and play brick breaker while listening to Lincoln Park um on this on the school bus so uh if anyone can guess about the year I graduated you would be correct so yeah I'm I'm I'm not I'm not been around very long sorry okay no need to apologize but I feel we've learned quite a lot about you in just that short description but Siri lip reading 2001 I looked at this and I if you don't know 2001 it's it's a excellent moment in it when you realize the computer is lip reading people who are trying to hide from it scary let me point out something for the people on here who have no idea what we're talking about if youve never watched 2001 Space Odyssey I will tell you um especially if you haven't seen it and you're definitely younger than me um you're going to be bored to death probably because the pacing is not built for today I'm sorry it's just true it's the pacing is not built for today I love it for I I don't get bored by it but I understand that younger audiences would be bored by it but stick through it because I guarantee you every single thing that has ever been ref in cinema comes from this movie wow like well from from the opening tones right the Deep the deep bass tones to the the uh just the the slow revealing of a thing floating in space to like literally the first five minutes of the film has been referenced in everything I mean there's even a moment I believe in Rugrats that references 2001 of Space Odyssey and that is a children's cartoon right um yes it's it's Futurama has an entire episode mimicking 2001 of space Odyssey you've seen this movie and don't even realize it go so if you haven't seen it go watch it and you'll realize wow that's where that's from that's where that's from over and over again until the end of the until the credits roll because really it has been heavily parody that came out when was it uh William 1968 1968 yes the year before we even made it to the moon we had a movie about traveling space I find that fascinating I love it yeah I was just going to say it's a bit up itself but I suppose slow is another part of it I just remember from the writing side it's one of the most ridiculously expensive films to have written ever because AR C Clark wrote a novel version while they were making the film and he would throw away chapters after they'd seen the filmed version he said they didn't like it and then they'd throw away the film bits to match the next bit he wrote In the book which is I mean that's close to how Mission Impossible works with no real script just a lot of money and time yes yeah but then Clark such a school boy couldn't is this he published every single version of every single rejected uh section of the novel that wasn't after the film that was and you read this and you think you know why Sunny kic didn't like that bit I don't like that bit either at the Lost worlds of 2001 not Arthur C Clark's most tedious book but up there on the list none of which is helping us with the thing of is Siri going to be liting us and why is this bad no I think it's an incredible accessibility uh standpoint I think um that will help because we already have uh FaceTime audio transcriptions but imagine if there's an algorithm transposing the transcript against the lip reading to make sure that it's getting absolutely every word correct um for for FaceTime calls so I I I believe like that on top of the everything points to the future of Apple's spatial Computing platform um this one specifically imagine you're someone who is hard of hearing or has lost their hearing and you wear a set of of Apple's futuristic Apple glasses we call them um and Siri is able to give you a transcription of what someone is saying right in front of you just by looking at them I should put out we got all this from a patent application and apple files literally thousands of patents every year and lots of them don't get accepted or granted or whatever and even when they do it doesn't necessarily become a product but in this case I'm reading through it and there's actually quite an almost dull reason beyond all those things you just said which actually I hadn't thought of but in there there's also the fact that um motion detection can work out when you've opened your mouth or moved your head and it can figure out that you've probably just said hey Iris I find that I find that interesting if only because uh so far Apple hasn't given us any way for Siri to see us in a room and that I I wonder other than your phone maybe your or your iPad camera or something like that so so yes maybe for the devices detecting that you've said the Wake word but um I wonder I'm afraid it's even duller than you think the whole purpose appears to be I mean the typical patent Apple lists a thing and how to do it and then it tries to cover everything and actually didn't cover what you've just said and it must cover that sort of thing in this case it was motion detection that detects you've opened your Gob is requires less power on the device than a microphone that's on all the time listening for you to say the trigger word for it so it can save battery power what I'm thinking is that's okay uh the Payton actually has of a graphs showing the what the motion detection might be like if someone said hey Iris or whatever or next track but it when it gets into more obscure things like hey Iris open the pod bay doors and all that it can't possibly work so I think it must be that it can only work if it can recognize quickly enough that you're talking to it can then fire up the microphones uh but that could mean you know but much longer lasting battery life it could mean all sorts of things it feels like a really cover way around Wonder William if Apple came out with an always on camera that you put in your living room so it could watch your face and see when you were going to access uh Siri what would you would you install that in your home not one single possible chance um there's a TV set now that you can buy for free which comes with a thing underneath and it does it watches your face and no we have a TV show here in the UK yeah oh yeah I bet it detects that though somehow and does something about it like switches you to goggle box all the time which is a UK show I don't know if it's traveled to the States but it the whole show is you watching people watching television and talking over it and it's I actually somebody who worked on one of these shows and I can't tell her that I could not possibly look at that I just can't it's worse than share play you know you're watching a film and there's your friend around the world picking their nose eating some pot born or something or you know you're trying to concentrate no stop it now I I I will say William the the this is a good place to slip this one in the new FaceTime feature for Apple TV I think is interesting because I wouldn't watch a movie because I'm already tired enough of people um talking during a film I if it goes on long enough I will literally pause a film I'm one of those people and say look we are watching movie I want to hear their words not your words um and then everyone will just glare at me until I shut up but uh no I I think the FaceTime thing is really interesting because I like the idea of I have friends um outside of my local area that you know we all fans of like you know video games and such I could imagine getting them on a FaceTime call and putting up the latest PlayStation announcement or Nintendo announcement and watching it with them over share play and having their faces on the screen so we can we can all literally see each other reacting uh Center Stage is active it's zoomed in on my face there's no awkward angles it works so well I want have you uh got a beta on an Apple TV yet William no that's shared Apple TV I wouldn't want it to break down in the middle of gole box or something so no I haven't braved it with that but also I like the idea of calls over it if we both elected to talk but share play stuff I I like the feature so much that I went and bought a stand specifically that is now um mounted underneath the TV so whenever I'm want to use the FaceTime feature on the Apple TV I can lift it up it's like it folds down so it's kind of invisible when it's not in use uh I lift it up and stick the phone to the magnet and it's in the proper position center stages me on the couch you know if my girlfriend come sits next to me it zooms out to see her but it is the perfect experience and uh I I really like how they've done this and again it's one of those features where I remember leading up to this people were talking how would Apple do FaceTime on the TV are they going to introduce a webcam that you attach to it are they going to come out with an Apple TV with a camera in it none of that made any sense no and for some reason I'd never heard someone mention why not use continuity camera and then they announc it on stage and it's like of course it's continuity camera do that makes sense that it is ridiculous how often apple is late to something and then they just do it the way it should have been done all along and everybody switches to it but I remember that right back in the days of the when the keyboard on a laptop was always at the front and apple put it at the back no manufacturer ever put it at the front again after them cuz it was the right thing to do I oh before we move on for movies I wanted to say you mentioned Mission Impossible go watch the making of the stunt from the latest movie the the one with the the big mountain thing just go go watch that video it's like 11 minutes long I I like that better than the movie that like cuz he had to I never watched the movie but I and that's why I'm saying honestly I I don't need to see the movie I've seen the stunt and how they did it and that that I'm not even going to watch the movie at this point but because Tom Cruz this like I don't know it's baffling to me when I see his age because he still does his own stunts um he's like 58 I believe or something like that and um he still does his own stunts and there's this scene in the movie where he has to go down a large ramp and launch into a canyon that is not computer generated that is not a stunt double that is Tom Cruz literally driving a real motorcycle over the edge of a very large cliff and then paragliding down to safety and uh they had to destroy so many motorcycles trying to get this right they did so many takes of it and it's just yeah go watch the video of the making of that stunt and it's it's on YouTube somewhere but anyway well a you need to see the film it's not as good as the previous ones but it has a lot of Great Moments the because there isn't a ramp in the final film no it's just a mountain just to spoil that it's a mountain and it's very well done but also B the thing that just gives me pause is when I watched that same making of I learned that yes there is Tom Cruz as Ethan Hunt riding a motorbike off the side of the cliff and when they filmed it they did not know why Ethan hunts would be riding a bike off the head of a cliff no they write the script around the stunts did you I know you know this you read the scripts of everything yes yes I well the first couple of missions uh they were written first um including number two which is just Dreadful but after that it's just yes it is compiled for it they draft it in camera practically the most expensive stun ever performed in cinema history yeah I could well believe that also the most one of the most one of the most expensive films at $300 million because of all the delays and things but but of course we are not Cinema Insider no so I won't mention that the uh train sequence at the end originally came in at an hour and a half and is now 50 minutes in the film that's some editing going on there and let's bring it back a well I can bring this back Mission Impossible uh dead reckoning part one was edited on a MacBook Pro I can't believe the entire film everywhere the editor went was on his MacBook Pro with this massive external hard drive look at that you were right the 18 wheeler carrying the server Farm needed to edit that film connected to a MacBook Pro over one Thunderbolt cable yeah it was in his bag can you believe how far we have come with this uh okay hang on no this we got to took really serious stuff here uh yes Apple impressive apple is everywhere but the EU is saying no apple enough because because of the EU apple is going to have to fit batteries that you can pull out or is it not is this one you know about um all I know is I saw a statement basically from Apple saying we're never going to do this um and Ju Just like with uh Apple saying they you know they're not going to De encrypt FaceTime and IM message they'd rather pull it from the system um they're basically saying the same thing here it it we're not going to create a door because it's going to ruin water Integrity tightness and stuff like that um the EU says a portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialized tools unless they are proved are provided free of charge so basically Apple would have to give their uh very expensive um repair program Parts away for free or make a door in their iPhone and I guess which of the two they would pick there William okay give me a minute um okay right but EU could find them over things and of course actually that brings to mind that uh Russia decided to fine actually this is a this is a spoiler I thought on the part of Russia which is obviously you know not doing anything else at the moment there's Apple trying to earn a crust and this week Russia said no we're going to find you $4,200 for something to do with something else for it um do you think that you and I could just decide to F Apple I mean a number that low there there's there's ways these things go down and and a number that low almost seems desperate just they want to be noticed or seen and apple will obviously just pay this and it we we determined earlier that it's about a second and a half or two seconds of Apple's profit yes yes I I I love bringing this up on the podcast please just go to the website for iPhone every second or I can't remember what it's called but it's it's something along those lines you can search it easily but there is a website that that if you once you get there it'll show you how many iPhones have just been sold how many Macs have just been sold in in in the last few minutes and as long as that page is open it'll continue counting up with time and it's very amusing but it's very the counter is very quick for iPhones but um yeah I I I don't understand Russia's deal here but of course I think nobody Russ understands Russia's deal in the world in general right now so it's it's all very confusing okay tell you what I can't disagree with that but you put this in my head because I think you were the man who can undo a confusion for me there was an auction this week I understand what auctions are I looked at this one and I couldn't work out it it was over I couldn't work out how it was happening but you do you understand um the rally auction of an iPod an original iPod uh can it did it sell can you explain this why am I confused all right so from what I could pull from the scraps of information they have laying around um this is a museum sltrading Company rally uh that's stationed out of Manhattan and customers have to be like granted access I think they have to pull up certain amount of money and then they get to buy shares of the museum articles basically uh at a certain value and then people who want to bid on those items will basically raise the value of that share price and then if that item is bought from the museum the shareholders get a take of that and earn money on the shares that they've bought of each item uh it's very convoluted apparently it works I don't know but um this iPod is interesting because it's changed hand a few times I I I I didn't I normally don't do this but I I was really wondering about this one because it's a sealed iPod and a box the original iPod and um the person telling us about it uh kind of gave us a little bit of the backstory so I went looked further this iPod sat on a shelf it like it was given to someone as a Christmas present and in 2001 minutes after this Apple store opened for the first time someone went and bought the first iPod there gave it to someone as a Christmas present and that person immediately turned around and put it on a shelf and never touched it again for about 12 years then it was taken and uh sold on eBay for I I believe I it's it's all in the piece I believe $20,000 let me let me pull it up yes $20,000 in 2014 uh then it was sold to the auction house RR auction uh for $225,000 in 2018 and then since then it went through eBay's hands four more times basically sold low 18 Grand then 20 grand then 22 Grand and now now it's a rally and they've they've purchased it for some sum and put it up for uh sale bidding sale and what's happened is um instead of people going in and buying the shares to get value out of this object a a anonymous person has stepped in and said no I want the whole thing and has opted to buy all of the shares of this iPod basically buying ownership so they can take the iPod away from rally they're purchasing it um for $29,000 and um what we see on the website right now as we talk which uh has probably ended by the time you've heard this on the podcast if you go if you went there right now it shows it is being um settled on a buyout offer and I just clicked on the link and it says buyout offer approved so it turns out this person has actually in fact purchased the iPod for $29,000 previously it was pending because all of the shareholders of this iPod had to vote yes or no on whether or not they were going to actually sell it for that much money which honestly would be silly if they didn't uh they were all Keen to make a bunch of money um but yes I I find it uh it's just a very interesting website I mean I'm I'm sitting here scrolling through there's $175,000 uh Charizard Pokemon card um there's a 19 o i I have to throw this at mic there is a uh 1976 Apple One signed by wnc currently uh selling for $9.50 a share at $313,000 so very interesting but yeah I don't know why you'd want to buy shares and a and an and an object but apparently it works and people are out here making money I'm I have decided that the person who bought it is the person who bought it originally and gave it as a gift and he's now going to ram it down that gifties uh face and say look something can can you imagine just being so uninterested in in a product that had like that it sits on a shelf for 12 years not all the way through even Steve Jobs death like maybe they just forgot it was there maybe the person died and this and the children went and like excavated it from a closet I don't know but like imagine sitting on something like that for so long just by cheer accident and then oh here's this device here's this Christmas present I just didn't care about and threw in a closet and now it's worth $29,000 that's crazy to me I did buy a drone when I was in Alaska about three months ago and I still haven't taken it out of the box because I've had time to try anything with it uh if I leave that just a little bit longer I might be in the same position I could be quids in in 30 years or or or or something so yeah I have a question for you William based on this topic cuz as fascinating as it is that someone has that amount of money to spend on an unopened iPod that has a gigantic what is it called fire wire connector in the bottom of it um yeah yes uh okay it's just sorry why why why just donate your money to a food bank that's this seems so wasteful but anyway um I wanted to ask you are you um buying two of every Apple product and keeping a sealed one in your basement just as just for Equity purposes oh yeah yeah absolutely at least two as long as one of them is blue I feel like you know that's going to last obviously I wonder how many people bought the trash can Mac Pro and was like I'm going to keep one of these in a box just in case it increases in value yeah I she really did fancy that trash can oh I think it's beautiful it's just an awful piece of technology um the I I just find it interesting I I saw I bring it up because I saw uh somebody I can't remember maybe Craig Hockenberry of Twitter Fame but um one of these internet people that I follow went and picked up I I'm sure it was like a Craigslist listing or something like that um if you're aware of Craigslist uh free Mac Pro come get it pick up please and he just went and picked it up and it was a trash can Mac Pro with like four gigs of RAM just ready to go um I I found that interesting interesting like we've gotten to the point where people are just giving them away oh but actually funny we should mention this now because uh August the 7th uh so next Monday is what anniversary is that of the very very first Mac Pro 2006 wasn't it the cheese greater Mac Pro we have a feature coming out on Apple Insider about which goes into the history of that beloved machine and its somewhat less successful sequels see I I always enjoyed your your historical pieces William I I imagine you as a modern day Indiana Jones going out here and just resting uh Old Mac history from the hands of evil Nazi Empires and putting it on Apple Insider for us to read well that's what I've been going for really although um thank you for picking that in the week we learned that Disney is likely to have lost a billion dollars over Indiana Jones five and a couple of other films I still blame Indiana Jones 4 I didn't go to Five because four was so and how long ago was that I think four is the problem with five yes yes yes still um you're right this isn't Cinema Insider this is what well Apple Insider obviously but also because I know this is something you know and I really really don't kind of apple games Insider things isn't that thing about yeah something something's going on with games somewhere there's a couple of game things we can talk about um I wanted to bring up um Hello Kitty island adventure yes I find it no I I'm never going to play it but I think Hello quitty Kitty is so sweet in idea isn't this character described as being six apples tall or something and I just it's so cute um such there's a lot of oddities um if you've never interacted with San Rio just go spend an afternoon diving into San Rio uh it's the company that that produces Hello Kitty they have a lot of very interesting characters and the descriptions for them uh like there's uh rakuma which is a bear with a zipper in his back but no but no one's ever unzipped that zipper they don't know if he's actually a bear or if there's someone inside of the bear operating it like that's the kind of descriptions they have for these characters um Hello Kitty is actually described as an eight-year-old human girl uh so like it's again it's very Japanese but I wanted to bring up Hello Kitty island adventure because I find it so funny that the most popular episode of South Park of all time the World of Warcraft episode referenced this game um I believe I gosh I I'm going to make up a number I think it's like in it's 2000s maybe 2006 is when that episode came out um where they were making fun of a character named butters for playing a game called Hello Kitty island adventure instead of World of Warcraft and this game didn't exist they just made up a name and of all the names they could have chosen San Rio chose Hello Kitty island adventure and I wanted to point out that a journalists went and asked them if they had any affiliation with South Park and they had to get an official statement from Sand Rio the cutest little Japanese characters of all time saying we are not affiliated with Comedy Central South Park I just find that very funny oh bless yes still not going to play any of the games but I like that the game is cute it is not what we thought it was going to be it's not Animal Crossing but it's a good little time waster if you like cute things um and moving on from that I had a couple more game gaming news uh the iPad has the ability to um attach external webcams but turns out we've we've learned that that same thing that talks to uh webcams talks to anything over a specific input connection um I didn't know this but apparently a webcam is basically feeding video to the Mac which saying it out loud makes sense but it's feeding a video feed to the mac and the Mac treats Whatever video input as a webcam so we've learned that if you use a video capture card which is basically a fancy way of saying a microchip and an HDMI port that connects to a USB port if you use this to connect to an iPad and then plug something into that HDMI port it will show up within as within specific apps on the iPad as a quote unquote webcam uh doing this uh we we have a little article here about using the Nintendo switch on the iPad and having that tiny 7in display blown up to a 12.9 inch display on our iPad Pro and it is the perfect little portable uh gaming display oh I see I could not see the purpose of it but yeah that makes sense there's so much utility here I want to build a rig where I can slide my iPad in and plug in a cable and it's just working right um because right now it is kind of a cabling nightmare uh you're you're running a cable you're running power the switch needs power this you know there's a lot going on but there's a way to do this elegantly and I'm I'm waiting for third parties to step in but um it's not just a switch anything with an HDMI I connected an Apple TV to this thing a PlayStation 5 it all works um and what's interesting is the whole operating system is still there and that's what's cool about this this isn't just some dumb monitor because there's a huge market for portable 14 16inch monitors that you just plug in um you can go into Stage manager and have a safari window open with tips on how to play this game or have a you or have a a quick note you can just slide up from the corner and have a quick note and say this thing is here on this location on this game go back and check that out later when you have this equipment or whatever right like it's really a neat concept and I I want to explore it more as as we get more apps that support it because right now the only app that supports it is a a test flight application which I'm sure is full now that we've written about it um but like if you open it in FaceTime it's there it's just kind of broken don't try to use it in FaceTime you need a dedicated app for this but in the future we could see like twitch you could literally use your iPad as a Twitch streaming device uh there's there's just a lot of applications here that I think haven't been unlocked because we were still in the iOS beta so I find that very fun want everyone to go and try that out if you have the equipment the card the uh the dongle that you're going to need to do this is the cheapest one you get is 15 bucks and it displays at full HD which is all the switch can output anyway so if you want to give it a try it's a cheap Buy in well this I I'm a heavy gamer I mean suduku every day uh do you think I'll see a benefit from that and maybe CH or or something that that you think it's worth pursuing it's funny you mentioned sodoku because um I wonder if Apple will ever get to that but well there are Sudoku games in apple arcade so there you go uh there's a tie-in to our conversation but uh I want to reiterate that the um Apple news uh plus crosswords they're excellent I've been doing the Min ones they all take about a minute and a half if you figure out the puzzle quick enough all right yeah they're so fun I'm I may not be on the correct beta for that then because last time I looked I didn't have it us only because of course everything's us only of course it is yes I didn't think of that uh that's I was looking forward to that so go to Apple news and you just go basically to where the the the side the sidebar menu is just the selector and there should be a puzzles icon oh there isn't so you'll see today news Plus Sports shared with you there should be a puzzles icon in that menu no oh well that's true in my day I I I yeah it it was funny to me though uh because today I was scrolling Apple news and uh they pop up like news items and it's like today's cross word can you figure out this this particular row and it's here's the and it's like here's the row and organization that organizes strikes and it's five letters can you guess what it is and I said is the writers for the puzzles trying to send Apple a message about unions yes um anyway wanted to drop one last thing before we before we go cuz I no I'm not I'm just I want to go grieve for the inability to play crws and also just strikes very depressing but cheer me up I think is this going to be game are you going to make me happy no no this this is this is fun we have um official well unofficial official wallpapers that we've adopted from someone who's made them for us very graciously named basic apple guy go follow him on all the things he's the basic apple guy on Instagram and threads basic apple guy on Twitter McDon you can find him pretty easily he has the coffee cup with the Apple Rainbow on it but anyway he designed us a couple of very nice wallpapers you might have seen one floating around in the iPhone 14 pro uh review uh there's a new one that is more all black themed with all kinds of Apple devices floating around it and it's uh they're very clever I uh have them for my work Focus pop up on my lock screen and my home screen go and click don't use the images that are showing you them go click the link and that'll open up a fullsize version you can save to your photos app to use uh but yes we'll have a link to the wallpapers in our show notes right well games Stitch Dy suduku news crosswords everything and a lot of Cinema yeah when can we get Steph back um well thank you to you thank you also to Babel and fast growing trees of course and Stephen will be back next week we'll be all under adult supervision and we'll see whether Apple has recovered from its terrible terrible completely fine earnings this yearhello welcome to the Apple Insider podcast this week brought to you by Babble and fastgo trees more of whom later and this week not brought to you by Steven robless your regular host is off having adventures and I'm William Gallagher sitting in for him sitting in for him just as Apple makes its latest big announcements about earning money you know how this went time was Apple made its cash to the mac and then to the iPhone and so on and somewhere along the line it introduced small services like extra iCloud storage and large ones much larger ones like apple music and Apple tv plus this week Apple has again showed the wisdom of that split between hardware and services because together they gave Apple a better third Financial quarter of 2023 than expected between services and Hardware Apple reported a total revenue of 81.8 billion for the quarter which is down 1% compared to this time last year but it's also fractionally up on analyst's expectations which had predicted $ 81.3 billion Apple said that Services saw an alltime record pulling in $21.21 billion which is some 8% more than a year ago at the same time though iPhone sales were down they were down 2% year onye to 39.67 billion the iPad was down further seeing a whole 20 % drop to $5.79 billion and the Mac was down 7% to 6.84 billion for the quarter joining me to discuss how Apple makes its money and also actually can I say some more interesting things about products to come Rumors in the air all sorts of things is Apple insiders Wes helard Wes hello hello William um is is my connection coming through okay all the way over there across the ocean oh yes it's all the way here all the way back to you but what I can hear most clearly in your voices that you were really quite worried for Apple there you thought they might not have made as much money as they did right and I think Wall Street has the same problem that they're always worried Apple's just not going to make the trillions of dollars that they always do and uh yeah they're just they're rolling in it as proverbially and I think I think they're going to be fine well I I had a sleepless night last night I I don't mind telling you there at all yeah okay you're just now you're just looking at me I think it's an important thing to point out that actually despite the fact they made all this money this is really usually Apple's quietest time of the year but its busiest time it's like the very next quarter because we're heading into iPhone season and everything's going to be amazing and great and Apple's going to double its money I I want to I want to make a note of that William because you say it's Apple's quietest time it used to be the the period of time between about June and and September would actually be just Dead news the developers would be kneee in projects Apple would be quiet but it hasn't really been that quiet has it like I I feel like the year is just being jam-packed with more and more apple as time goes on it's a good point like here we are just drowning in Apple TV plus trailers and yeah uh information about liel Messi and uh sorry Li mes oh uh sportball I just put together Sport and football into one word and I think I did it disparagingly you're not the first sports ball it's our favorite topic sports ball all right no but yes it just feels like everything is news now and everything is Apple and uh it's just slowly taking over our world more than it already has I just find it interesting right you put I I'm quite keen on Apple stuff you may have gathered this but you put it that way and suddenly the world seems a bit ominous Apple Banking news Apple sports news ah well fortunately we still don't have apple card in the UK so always have to remind you of that at least once yeah but for once I can think ha we're resisting a apple not trying to give us Apple card anyway um it will be giving us Apple 15 Apple 15 the iPhone 15 the whole iPhone range three or four models everything great we're all going to buy the iPhone 15 Pro everybody excited about it but apparently uh M quo is nah what do you think about these analysts this here it's not only minki quo there's a couple of other people and uh one other notable leaker uh who is uh unknowns 21 on Twitter uh is also down on the iPhone 15 thinking this is going to be a sour year because of minimal upgrades well I generally treat them the same way I do I may from time to time predict that the Apple car is coming out next Tuesday and it will be in blue because I reckon um nobody pays any attention until I'm right and then I am this amazing person who just you know you should pay attention to and give all your money to as well probably I think that's analyst logic yes no yes please I find it interesting that the it's it's almost like we we erase our memories or somewhere around June 22nd of what happened the previous year because I feel like every single year we get this messaging from analysts of it's Apple's worst year ever they're just not ready to launch an iPhone they're going to be behind in supply chain they're going to the features just aren't there they had to abandon all these cool things because they just didn't work and this iPhone's going to be terrible and no one's going to buy it and iOS 17's full of bugs yada yada yada and then Blockbuster quarter Blockbuster quarter record sales uh best iOS release ever what's going on and then WWDC the next year hits and they're like wow this this is amazing iOS 18 just trumps iOS 17 iOS 17 was the buggiest release ever 18 is so great and it's like we just reset the clock every every June and uh have the same conversations over and over again like we're stuck in Groundhog Day right I feel like you've just given us a Year's worth of news in one go okay I'm sorry did I spoil the secret of the Apple Insider podcast we we had it uh yes um okay so there's that but analysts perform a useful purpose I just not 100% sure what it is they can take 50 words and make it into 500 they're really good at that yes but now we can all do that with chat GPT spin this out a bit longer yeah okay I believe uh so so Market the notes now this is going to be another iPhone year and every year is an iPhone year people are going to upgrade who need it it's going to sell very well and they're going to make a lot of money I don't think it there's any confusion about that okay I do remember in all serious I've quite often heard various people from Apple saying that they they take the Long View over things and I remember first thinking that's just cuz there's been some news lately hasn't there but actually you listen to this you think about it and yeah Apple's just going to keep being apple and it's going to work out and the rest of us are just going to kind of flutter around predicting one way or the other I've just lumped Us in with analysts um right so I I I've had to write a few of these notes and the general consensus is is like the smartphone industry is declining um but every note I've seen is the cheap Android handsets that sell on the $200 end are declining that nobody's buying new handsets because they're they're happy with their they they bought you know a pro proverbial garbage and they're happy with their garbage they're not going to upgrade their garbage right like it's it's it's just good enough it does what they need it accesses Facebook it accesses um X and uh yeah so it it does what they need to do and they move on with their day they're not they're not obsessed with technology they don't need the latest and greatest but then you know once you get past the $5 $600 prod price point especially in Apple's territory the premium Market is selling really well but specifically iPhones because Apple users are buying them over and over again whether whether or not it's every year doesn't matter it's everyone's on enough of a replacement cycle that it's always Apple that they're buying and Android's just getting less and less replacement cycles and Apple's gaining more and more adopters if I remember right uh Apple hit 50 52% um uh of the market in the United States this last quarter uh during sales because Androids just keep slipping which is very interesting considering Apple's always been the underdog in the United States um as far as sales goes because again they're competing with the dozens and dozens of free to $200 phones so it's it's a fun Market this week there was a market research report this week from uh Counterpoint research talking about South Korea which is always interesting because that's where Samsung is based and it's you know big home territory for it um I can't remember the figures for this but it's something like yeah I can 85% of people surveyed uh all aged under 30 all living in South Korea 85% of them said their very first smartphone ever was an Android but 52% of them in that same survey said now they're on an iPhone it's just like a massive switch away it's one of those things where um May maybe I don't know maybe I'm just getting older maybe I'm not paying attention as much but there was a time when I could tell you the primary selling points of the largest flagships available right I could name the I could name the newest Samsung say exactly what it did differently why it was uh this price you know talk about the folds talk about the iPhones and compare and contrast and I and I'm paying as much attention I write about it for now this is back when it was just a hobby for me but now it's part of my job to know all these things and I'm telling you it is getting difficult like what what what was the flagship feature of the Samsung device this year that it's got a new number on it and it can take moon photos that are fake right like I I don't it it feels like yes this the smartphone market is maturing but at the same time I feel like that the feature sets the gimmicks are becoming less and less um useful and I think people are starting to pay attention to that and I think the market is showing especially considering um the you know global economy is on a decline so people have less money to spend they're they're less likely to buy something they don't feel like offers enough of an upgrade and that goes for Apple too but again for whatever reason Apple is beating that Trend they're able to continue making sales and until he said that about Apple too I was thinking does this just not mean that smartphones are over they've done everything they possibly can which is an amazing amount but we're all done now uh we should move on to headsets or something next no okay well well headsets and air tags too apparently yeah what um minko who said no about iPhone 15 demand I think he's just having a mare really uh because he's also anti um Apple's AI app he's saying nah we're not seeing that in 2024 Bloomberg say yeah we are no we're not yeah we are and somewhere along the way I got quite a little lost in his logic here Ming Cho managed to link the sales of the iPhone 15 to the sales of the Vision Pro and say that along the way there will be an air tags too and all I can think about since I heard that is what in the world would be different can you conceive of anything I don't even know that they would call it air tag to I think they would just call it air tag and just release a different shape that does slightly different things uh this one uh will would would have a temperature sensor in it and you can put it in your room and look at it with Vision Pro or something I I'm not sure exactly what they're trying to conceive of here but I think it'll just be more more sensors smaller space maybe a wallet version like they can just do different shapes I don't think it's going to necessarily be like a second generation on paper even though we might refer to it that way um yeah I to I actually wondered about different colors but I didn't think about different shapes well I just I think the accessories solve that I mean I like half of my air tags I can't even see because they're behind pieces of plastic or rubber um this isn't a device to be seen even though Apple made it you know beautiful from from a technical standpoint right like they they it's shiny um aluminum on one side uh plastic white encasing emojis on top like they' they made it Pleasant to look at but at the same time it's very easy to hide away and I think that it will continue to be the purpose they're not going to make an air tag that you're going to wear on your head um I mean the air tag earring right uh never lose your earrings again because it is literally a tracking device but right I I I to to dovetail off that because I don't think there's much to say about air tags 2 other than they they exist and there's probably going to be some component that works with Vision Pro again I think this is just it's reaching a little bit I think um it makes sense that anything with the U1 chip anything that has uh hypers specific location information will uh be useful to the headset because it'll have um location anchoring like say I could uh place a air tag let's call it an air tag marker instead of it being for device like safety like uh whe whether or not you lose it let's call it um an uh augmented reality marker where you put it in your room somewhere so whenever you're wearing the Vision Pro headset you assign a um app to it so that a little radio is sitting on on top of that in 3D space and you can walk over to it and interact with it when you're wearing the Vision Pro and that's always wherever that air tag is you can pick up the air tag and therefore you pick up the radio like there there's ways you can do this and uh Be Clever about it and I think that's what Apple's thinking about here and that's why M quo who is seeing the supply side of things might be getting some wires crossed it'll be interesting to see their implementation I'm afraid I just cannot get out of my head the idea of air tag earrings I cuz there are people um I don't know how they do it that have kind of distended loes and have inserted things into or giant holes increasingly add larger and heavier things to their ears until they get bigger it's it's it's very much a fashion trend okay I feel slightly queasy of course about the thoughts I I wanted to bring up something before we move too far past it you mentioned Apple Ai and I wanted to point out I wrote an entire what we call an inside page it's kind of our um internal Wikipedia kind of thing that we maintain about everything about Apple and you can find it in the show notes but um Apple AI very much exists I hate the words uh that I'm saying AI is uh the incorrect term but the industry has landed on it for some reason but um Apple's machine learning protocols everything they've been working on has been very openly public Apple's machine learning if St stay with me if you remember this William uh the keyboard on the first iPhone used machine learning to predict where the person's finger was was going to go because uh your thumbs were so large that you would just Mash six different keys at the same time but the algorithm would determine what key you meant to press based on what you were typing that's how far back Apple's machine learning goes and it goes even before that into the max but I'm too young to know anything about that so I'm leaning on the iPhone yeah you kind of trumped me there the best I can do is I I found a quote from Tim Cook from 2016 in which he enthuses well actually explicitly enthused about artificial intelligence for it uh it shut up about it since it's always machine learning since but it's a again it's Apple's um method they they try to avoid industry terms because they don't want to be associated with the rest of the industry they want to be separated and seen as above and that's why they won't say VR when they're talking about their headset just like they won't say AI when they're talking about machine learning because they want to be separated from that which is smart it's a marketing thing but yeah it works oh well I like that one I don't like it I comeing it was but you suddenly noticed with the release of a new I think it might even back in the power book days they started talking about it being so many millimeters thin right instead of thick it's like oh enough yeah little bit so it's interesting to to to talk about this because we've seen a few reports uh from industry heads that should know better I think again this goes back to sadly the um position media is in on the internet needing to be slightly Sensational I don't really believe that apple is behind on AI I and uh because machine learning just computer-based intelligence is is the more proper term but like computers that you can teach to do things based on things that they've learned um I don't think Apple's behind on that because they've proven time and time again from like I said the keyboard on the original iPhone having to learn typing and that's always been there and the algorithms improved over time uh Siri is a machine learning algorithm that has been built on the Siri intelligence that runs everything on your device device from calendar recommendations to app recommendations on the lock screen and in search all of that is machine learning and it's all on device and it's all private and on top of all of that Apple has one of the industry leading people in the space uh John Gan Andrea I think is how you pronounce it uh he is their AI lead and spe he it's one of the few places on Apple's website you will find the term AI um because he is an industry expert in it and they actually poached him from Google I believe when he came over and he's been there for years I think since 2016 or so and so all of this doesn't tell me Apple is behind if anything it's the usual Apple thing of they're building a product in secret and they'll put it out like the I know you've accidently installed the betas on a few things what do you think of this new Transformer Model auto correct oh actually I'm really surprised how much I like it uh it took a while for me to really notice a difference because it was obviously learning things and now it's still only predicting aut cre and then predicting a couple of words ahead but I truly believed it would be the most distracting thing ever and instead no it's just speeding up everything it helps and it keeps me from spelling mistakes a lot cuz uh yeah there's a lot of tricky words out there and um I try to be too clever with my wording sometimes and it's like no no this is this is how you say what you're trying to say here and it's definitely been useful and I like that you can just hit space and continue um every now and then it tries to mess up like you'll you'll be typing and you're on something that doesn't need a period but it so it thinks it needs to continue and then you hit space and then it adds whatever words it thinks needs to go there and you didn't intend on adding anything else there there's a couple little spots where it needs Improvement but I really like it so far but that is just a taste of Apple's work in this field and I think minki quo and Bloomberg are both wrong about this because what Bloomberg is saying is there's an app coming out I don't know what that app would be in 2024 and and quo saying that that's delayed well I think they're both wrong there's no app uh it's just a set of features Apple might be you know compartmentalizing all those features within an app internally and calling it whatever Chad or whatever name it is and um I think that is being pulled out and pieced together into different features across the operating system I don't believe will'll ever see an apple chatbot I don't think we're going to see a specific quote unquote AI GPT Style app I think it's just going to be implemented across the system and improving things specifically we should see something with Siri soon I think but um I don't think it's going to be one major roll out and I think Apple's going to do their usual thing and try not to even mention it as a major roll out they're just going to say here's this feature and it's very nice I I think we're thinking the same thing here with chat GPT and all the rest it seemed to me look here's a thing and what can we do with it 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really enjoy that movie right you probably saw it on your iPhone whereas I saw it in the cinema I watch on television but you know I don't I don't watch movies on a phone that's crazy I can't do that well I have um but I'm not traveling enough to do that if I was on a bus yes I would watch something on my iPhone or iPad but that's just not a situation I find myself in very often it's a funny world is it I actually very clearly remember um when mobile phones as we call them here came out you would be on the bus and you wouldn't use one because um it just everybody around you would think bad things there were jokes about it here if you'd like to uh yeah I I understand what you're leading to no if you if you want me to date myself William I I will tell you my experience with traveling with technology let's see okay um I would be getting on the school bus to go to high school and I would pull out my iPod Nano um I believe the fourth generation and play brick breaker while listening to Lincoln Park um on this on the school bus so uh if anyone can guess about the year I graduated you would be correct so yeah I'm I'm I'm not I'm not been around very long sorry okay no need to apologize but I feel we've learned quite a lot about you in just that short description but Siri lip reading 2001 I looked at this and I if you don't know 2001 it's it's a excellent moment in it when you realize the computer is lip reading people who are trying to hide from it scary let me point out something for the people on here who have no idea what we're talking about if youve never watched 2001 Space Odyssey I will tell you um especially if you haven't seen it and you're definitely younger than me um you're going to be bored to death probably because the pacing is not built for today I'm sorry it's just true it's the pacing is not built for today I love it for I I don't get bored by it but I understand that younger audiences would be bored by it but stick through it because I guarantee you every single thing that has ever been ref in cinema comes from this movie wow like well from from the opening tones right the Deep the deep bass tones to the the uh just the the slow revealing of a thing floating in space to like literally the first five minutes of the film has been referenced in everything I mean there's even a moment I believe in Rugrats that references 2001 of Space Odyssey and that is a children's cartoon right um yes it's it's Futurama has an entire episode mimicking 2001 of space Odyssey you've seen this movie and don't even realize it go so if you haven't seen it go watch it and you'll realize wow that's where that's from that's where that's from over and over again until the end of the until the credits roll because really it has been heavily parody that came out when was it uh William 1968 1968 yes the year before we even made it to the moon we had a movie about traveling space I find that fascinating I love it yeah I was just going to say it's a bit up itself but I suppose slow is another part of it I just remember from the writing side it's one of the most ridiculously expensive films to have written ever because AR C Clark wrote a novel version while they were making the film and he would throw away chapters after they'd seen the filmed version he said they didn't like it and then they'd throw away the film bits to match the next bit he wrote In the book which is I mean that's close to how Mission Impossible works with no real script just a lot of money and time yes yeah but then Clark such a school boy couldn't is this he published every single version of every single rejected uh section of the novel that wasn't after the film that was and you read this and you think you know why Sunny kic didn't like that bit I don't like that bit either at the Lost worlds of 2001 not Arthur C Clark's most tedious book but up there on the list none of which is helping us with the thing of is Siri going to be liting us and why is this bad no I think it's an incredible accessibility uh standpoint I think um that will help because we already have uh FaceTime audio transcriptions but imagine if there's an algorithm transposing the transcript against the lip reading to make sure that it's getting absolutely every word correct um for for FaceTime calls so I I I believe like that on top of the everything points to the future of Apple's spatial Computing platform um this one specifically imagine you're someone who is hard of hearing or has lost their hearing and you wear a set of of Apple's futuristic Apple glasses we call them um and Siri is able to give you a transcription of what someone is saying right in front of you just by looking at them I should put out we got all this from a patent application and apple files literally thousands of patents every year and lots of them don't get accepted or granted or whatever and even when they do it doesn't necessarily become a product but in this case I'm reading through it and there's actually quite an almost dull reason beyond all those things you just said which actually I hadn't thought of but in there there's also the fact that um motion detection can work out when you've opened your mouth or moved your head and it can figure out that you've probably just said hey Iris I find that I find that interesting if only because uh so far Apple hasn't given us any way for Siri to see us in a room and that I I wonder other than your phone maybe your or your iPad camera or something like that so so yes maybe for the devices detecting that you've said the Wake word but um I wonder I'm afraid it's even duller than you think the whole purpose appears to be I mean the typical patent Apple lists a thing and how to do it and then it tries to cover everything and actually didn't cover what you've just said and it must cover that sort of thing in this case it was motion detection that detects you've opened your Gob is requires less power on the device than a microphone that's on all the time listening for you to say the trigger word for it so it can save battery power what I'm thinking is that's okay uh the Payton actually has of a graphs showing the what the motion detection might be like if someone said hey Iris or whatever or next track but it when it gets into more obscure things like hey Iris open the pod bay doors and all that it can't possibly work so I think it must be that it can only work if it can recognize quickly enough that you're talking to it can then fire up the microphones uh but that could mean you know but much longer lasting battery life it could mean all sorts of things it feels like a really cover way around Wonder William if Apple came out with an always on camera that you put in your living room so it could watch your face and see when you were going to access uh Siri what would you would you install that in your home not one single possible chance um there's a TV set now that you can buy for free which comes with a thing underneath and it does it watches your face and no we have a TV show here in the UK yeah oh yeah I bet it detects that though somehow and does something about it like switches you to goggle box all the time which is a UK show I don't know if it's traveled to the States but it the whole show is you watching people watching television and talking over it and it's I actually somebody who worked on one of these shows and I can't tell her that I could not possibly look at that I just can't it's worse than share play you know you're watching a film and there's your friend around the world picking their nose eating some pot born or something or you know you're trying to concentrate no stop it now I I I will say William the the this is a good place to slip this one in the new FaceTime feature for Apple TV I think is interesting because I wouldn't watch a movie because I'm already tired enough of people um talking during a film I if it goes on long enough I will literally pause a film I'm one of those people and say look we are watching movie I want to hear their words not your words um and then everyone will just glare at me until I shut up but uh no I I think the FaceTime thing is really interesting because I like the idea of I have friends um outside of my local area that you know we all fans of like you know video games and such I could imagine getting them on a FaceTime call and putting up the latest PlayStation announcement or Nintendo announcement and watching it with them over share play and having their faces on the screen so we can we can all literally see each other reacting uh Center Stage is active it's zoomed in on my face there's no awkward angles it works so well I want have you uh got a beta on an Apple TV yet William no that's shared Apple TV I wouldn't want it to break down in the middle of gole box or something so no I haven't braved it with that but also I like the idea of calls over it if we both elected to talk but share play stuff I I like the feature so much that I went and bought a stand specifically that is now um mounted underneath the TV so whenever I'm want to use the FaceTime feature on the Apple TV I can lift it up it's like it folds down so it's kind of invisible when it's not in use uh I lift it up and stick the phone to the magnet and it's in the proper position center stages me on the couch you know if my girlfriend come sits next to me it zooms out to see her but it is the perfect experience and uh I I really like how they've done this and again it's one of those features where I remember leading up to this people were talking how would Apple do FaceTime on the TV are they going to introduce a webcam that you attach to it are they going to come out with an Apple TV with a camera in it none of that made any sense no and for some reason I'd never heard someone mention why not use continuity camera and then they announc it on stage and it's like of course it's continuity camera do that makes sense that it is ridiculous how often apple is late to something and then they just do it the way it should have been done all along and everybody switches to it but I remember that right back in the days of the when the keyboard on a laptop was always at the front and apple put it at the back no manufacturer ever put it at the front again after them cuz it was the right thing to do I oh before we move on for movies I wanted to say you mentioned Mission Impossible go watch the making of the stunt from the latest movie the the one with the the big mountain thing just go go watch that video it's like 11 minutes long I I like that better than the movie that like cuz he had to I never watched the movie but I and that's why I'm saying honestly I I don't need to see the movie I've seen the stunt and how they did it and that that I'm not even going to watch the movie at this point but because Tom Cruz this like I don't know it's baffling to me when I see his age because he still does his own stunts um he's like 58 I believe or something like that and um he still does his own stunts and there's this scene in the movie where he has to go down a large ramp and launch into a canyon that is not computer generated that is not a stunt double that is Tom Cruz literally driving a real motorcycle over the edge of a very large cliff and then paragliding down to safety and uh they had to destroy so many motorcycles trying to get this right they did so many takes of it and it's just yeah go watch the video of the making of that stunt and it's it's on YouTube somewhere but anyway well a you need to see the film it's not as good as the previous ones but it has a lot of Great Moments the because there isn't a ramp in the final film no it's just a mountain just to spoil that it's a mountain and it's very well done but also B the thing that just gives me pause is when I watched that same making of I learned that yes there is Tom Cruz as Ethan Hunt riding a motorbike off the side of the cliff and when they filmed it they did not know why Ethan hunts would be riding a bike off the head of a cliff no they write the script around the stunts did you I know you know this you read the scripts of everything yes yes I well the first couple of missions uh they were written first um including number two which is just Dreadful but after that it's just yes it is compiled for it they draft it in camera practically the most expensive stun ever performed in cinema history yeah I could well believe that also the most one of the most one of the most expensive films at $300 million because of all the delays and things but but of course we are not Cinema Insider no so I won't mention that the uh train sequence at the end originally came in at an hour and a half and is now 50 minutes in the film that's some editing going on there and let's bring it back a well I can bring this back Mission Impossible uh dead reckoning part one was edited on a MacBook Pro I can't believe the entire film everywhere the editor went was on his MacBook Pro with this massive external hard drive look at that you were right the 18 wheeler carrying the server Farm needed to edit that film connected to a MacBook Pro over one Thunderbolt cable yeah it was in his bag can you believe how far we have come with this uh okay hang on no this we got to took really serious stuff here uh yes Apple impressive apple is everywhere but the EU is saying no apple enough because because of the EU apple is going to have to fit batteries that you can pull out or is it not is this one you know about um all I know is I saw a statement basically from Apple saying we're never going to do this um and Ju Just like with uh Apple saying they you know they're not going to De encrypt FaceTime and IM message they'd rather pull it from the system um they're basically saying the same thing here it it we're not going to create a door because it's going to ruin water Integrity tightness and stuff like that um the EU says a portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialized tools unless they are proved are provided free of charge so basically Apple would have to give their uh very expensive um repair program Parts away for free or make a door in their iPhone and I guess which of the two they would pick there William okay give me a minute um okay right but EU could find them over things and of course actually that brings to mind that uh Russia decided to fine actually this is a this is a spoiler I thought on the part of Russia which is obviously you know not doing anything else at the moment there's Apple trying to earn a crust and this week Russia said no we're going to find you $4,200 for something to do with something else for it um do you think that you and I could just decide to F Apple I mean a number that low there there's there's ways these things go down and and a number that low almost seems desperate just they want to be noticed or seen and apple will obviously just pay this and it we we determined earlier that it's about a second and a half or two seconds of Apple's profit yes yes I I I love bringing this up on the podcast please just go to the website for iPhone every second or I can't remember what it's called but it's it's something along those lines you can search it easily but there is a website that that if you once you get there it'll show you how many iPhones have just been sold how many Macs have just been sold in in in the last few minutes and as long as that page is open it'll continue counting up with time and it's very amusing but it's very the counter is very quick for iPhones but um yeah I I I don't understand Russia's deal here but of course I think nobody Russ understands Russia's deal in the world in general right now so it's it's all very confusing okay tell you what I can't disagree with that but you put this in my head because I think you were the man who can undo a confusion for me there was an auction this week I understand what auctions are I looked at this one and I couldn't work out it it was over I couldn't work out how it was happening but you do you understand um the rally auction of an iPod an original iPod uh can it did it sell can you explain this why am I confused all right so from what I could pull from the scraps of information they have laying around um this is a museum sltrading Company rally uh that's stationed out of Manhattan and customers have to be like granted access I think they have to pull up certain amount of money and then they get to buy shares of the museum articles basically uh at a certain value and then people who want to bid on those items will basically raise the value of that share price and then if that item is bought from the museum the shareholders get a take of that and earn money on the shares that they've bought of each item uh it's very convoluted apparently it works I don't know but um this iPod is interesting because it's changed hand a few times I I I I didn't I normally don't do this but I I was really wondering about this one because it's a sealed iPod and a box the original iPod and um the person telling us about it uh kind of gave us a little bit of the backstory so I went looked further this iPod sat on a shelf it like it was given to someone as a Christmas present and in 2001 minutes after this Apple store opened for the first time someone went and bought the first iPod there gave it to someone as a Christmas present and that person immediately turned around and put it on a shelf and never touched it again for about 12 years then it was taken and uh sold on eBay for I I believe I it's it's all in the piece I believe $20,000 let me let me pull it up yes $20,000 in 2014 uh then it was sold to the auction house RR auction uh for $225,000 in 2018 and then since then it went through eBay's hands four more times basically sold low 18 Grand then 20 grand then 22 Grand and now now it's a rally and they've they've purchased it for some sum and put it up for uh sale bidding sale and what's happened is um instead of people going in and buying the shares to get value out of this object a a anonymous person has stepped in and said no I want the whole thing and has opted to buy all of the shares of this iPod basically buying ownership so they can take the iPod away from rally they're purchasing it um for $29,000 and um what we see on the website right now as we talk which uh has probably ended by the time you've heard this on the podcast if you go if you went there right now it shows it is being um settled on a buyout offer and I just clicked on the link and it says buyout offer approved so it turns out this person has actually in fact purchased the iPod for $29,000 previously it was pending because all of the shareholders of this iPod had to vote yes or no on whether or not they were going to actually sell it for that much money which honestly would be silly if they didn't uh they were all Keen to make a bunch of money um but yes I I find it uh it's just a very interesting website I mean I'm I'm sitting here scrolling through there's $175,000 uh Charizard Pokemon card um there's a 19 o i I have to throw this at mic there is a uh 1976 Apple One signed by wnc currently uh selling for $9.50 a share at $313,000 so very interesting but yeah I don't know why you'd want to buy shares and a and an and an object but apparently it works and people are out here making money I'm I have decided that the person who bought it is the person who bought it originally and gave it as a gift and he's now going to ram it down that gifties uh face and say look something can can you imagine just being so uninterested in in a product that had like that it sits on a shelf for 12 years not all the way through even Steve Jobs death like maybe they just forgot it was there maybe the person died and this and the children went and like excavated it from a closet I don't know but like imagine sitting on something like that for so long just by cheer accident and then oh here's this device here's this Christmas present I just didn't care about and threw in a closet and now it's worth $29,000 that's crazy to me I did buy a drone when I was in Alaska about three months ago and I still haven't taken it out of the box because I've had time to try anything with it uh if I leave that just a little bit longer I might be in the same position I could be quids in in 30 years or or or or something so yeah I have a question for you William based on this topic cuz as fascinating as it is that someone has that amount of money to spend on an unopened iPod that has a gigantic what is it called fire wire connector in the bottom of it um yeah yes uh okay it's just sorry why why why just donate your money to a food bank that's this seems so wasteful but anyway um I wanted to ask you are you um buying two of every Apple product and keeping a sealed one in your basement just as just for Equity purposes oh yeah yeah absolutely at least two as long as one of them is blue I feel like you know that's going to last obviously I wonder how many people bought the trash can Mac Pro and was like I'm going to keep one of these in a box just in case it increases in value yeah I she really did fancy that trash can oh I think it's beautiful it's just an awful piece of technology um the I I just find it interesting I I saw I bring it up because I saw uh somebody I can't remember maybe Craig Hockenberry of Twitter Fame but um one of these internet people that I follow went and picked up I I'm sure it was like a Craigslist listing or something like that um if you're aware of Craigslist uh free Mac Pro come get it pick up please and he just went and picked it up and it was a trash can Mac Pro with like four gigs of RAM just ready to go um I I found that interesting interesting like we've gotten to the point where people are just giving them away oh but actually funny we should mention this now because uh August the 7th uh so next Monday is what anniversary is that of the very very first Mac Pro 2006 wasn't it the cheese greater Mac Pro we have a feature coming out on Apple Insider about which goes into the history of that beloved machine and its somewhat less successful sequels see I I always enjoyed your your historical pieces William I I imagine you as a modern day Indiana Jones going out here and just resting uh Old Mac history from the hands of evil Nazi Empires and putting it on Apple Insider for us to read well that's what I've been going for really although um thank you for picking that in the week we learned that Disney is likely to have lost a billion dollars over Indiana Jones five and a couple of other films I still blame Indiana Jones 4 I didn't go to Five because four was so and how long ago was that I think four is the problem with five yes yes yes still um you're right this isn't Cinema Insider this is what well Apple Insider obviously but also because I know this is something you know and I really really don't kind of apple games Insider things isn't that thing about yeah something something's going on with games somewhere there's a couple of game things we can talk about um I wanted to bring up um Hello Kitty island adventure yes I find it no I I'm never going to play it but I think Hello quitty Kitty is so sweet in idea isn't this character described as being six apples tall or something and I just it's so cute um such there's a lot of oddities um if you've never interacted with San Rio just go spend an afternoon diving into San Rio uh it's the company that that produces Hello Kitty they have a lot of very interesting characters and the descriptions for them uh like there's uh rakuma which is a bear with a zipper in his back but no but no one's ever unzipped that zipper they don't know if he's actually a bear or if there's someone inside of the bear operating it like that's the kind of descriptions they have for these characters um Hello Kitty is actually described as an eight-year-old human girl uh so like it's again it's very Japanese but I wanted to bring up Hello Kitty island adventure because I find it so funny that the most popular episode of South Park of all time the World of Warcraft episode referenced this game um I believe I gosh I I'm going to make up a number I think it's like in it's 2000s maybe 2006 is when that episode came out um where they were making fun of a character named butters for playing a game called Hello Kitty island adventure instead of World of Warcraft and this game didn't exist they just made up a name and of all the names they could have chosen San Rio chose Hello Kitty island adventure and I wanted to point out that a journalists went and asked them if they had any affiliation with South Park and they had to get an official statement from Sand Rio the cutest little Japanese characters of all time saying we are not affiliated with Comedy Central South Park I just find that very funny oh bless yes still not going to play any of the games but I like that the game is cute it is not what we thought it was going to be it's not Animal Crossing but it's a good little time waster if you like cute things um and moving on from that I had a couple more game gaming news uh the iPad has the ability to um attach external webcams but turns out we've we've learned that that same thing that talks to uh webcams talks to anything over a specific input connection um I didn't know this but apparently a webcam is basically feeding video to the Mac which saying it out loud makes sense but it's feeding a video feed to the mac and the Mac treats Whatever video input as a webcam so we've learned that if you use a video capture card which is basically a fancy way of saying a microchip and an HDMI port that connects to a USB port if you use this to connect to an iPad and then plug something into that HDMI port it will show up within as within specific apps on the iPad as a quote unquote webcam uh doing this uh we we have a little article here about using the Nintendo switch on the iPad and having that tiny 7in display blown up to a 12.9 inch display on our iPad Pro and it is the perfect little portable uh gaming display oh I see I could not see the purpose of it but yeah that makes sense there's so much utility here I want to build a rig where I can slide my iPad in and plug in a cable and it's just working right um because right now it is kind of a cabling nightmare uh you're you're running a cable you're running power the switch needs power this you know there's a lot going on but there's a way to do this elegantly and I'm I'm waiting for third parties to step in but um it's not just a switch anything with an HDMI I connected an Apple TV to this thing a PlayStation 5 it all works um and what's interesting is the whole operating system is still there and that's what's cool about this this isn't just some dumb monitor because there's a huge market for portable 14 16inch monitors that you just plug in um you can go into Stage manager and have a safari window open with tips on how to play this game or have a you or have a a quick note you can just slide up from the corner and have a quick note and say this thing is here on this location on this game go back and check that out later when you have this equipment or whatever right like it's really a neat concept and I I want to explore it more as as we get more apps that support it because right now the only app that supports it is a a test flight application which I'm sure is full now that we've written about it um but like if you open it in FaceTime it's there it's just kind of broken don't try to use it in FaceTime you need a dedicated app for this but in the future we could see like twitch you could literally use your iPad as a Twitch streaming device uh there's there's just a lot of applications here that I think haven't been unlocked because we were still in the iOS beta so I find that very fun want everyone to go and try that out if you have the equipment the card the uh the dongle that you're going to need to do this is the cheapest one you get is 15 bucks and it displays at full HD which is all the switch can output anyway so if you want to give it a try it's a cheap Buy in well this I I'm a heavy gamer I mean suduku every day uh do you think I'll see a benefit from that and maybe CH or or something that that you think it's worth pursuing it's funny you mentioned sodoku because um I wonder if Apple will ever get to that but well there are Sudoku games in apple arcade so there you go uh there's a tie-in to our conversation but uh I want to reiterate that the um Apple news uh plus crosswords they're excellent I've been doing the Min ones they all take about a minute and a half if you figure out the puzzle quick enough all right yeah they're so fun I'm I may not be on the correct beta for that then because last time I looked I didn't have it us only because of course everything's us only of course it is yes I didn't think of that uh that's I was looking forward to that so go to Apple news and you just go basically to where the the the side the sidebar menu is just the selector and there should be a puzzles icon oh there isn't so you'll see today news Plus Sports shared with you there should be a puzzles icon in that menu no oh well that's true in my day I I I yeah it it was funny to me though uh because today I was scrolling Apple news and uh they pop up like news items and it's like today's cross word can you figure out this this particular row and it's here's the and it's like here's the row and organization that organizes strikes and it's five letters can you guess what it is and I said is the writers for the puzzles trying to send Apple a message about unions yes um anyway wanted to drop one last thing before we before we go cuz I no I'm not I'm just I want to go grieve for the inability to play crws and also just strikes very depressing but cheer me up I think is this going to be game are you going to make me happy no no this this is this is fun we have um official well unofficial official wallpapers that we've adopted from someone who's made them for us very graciously named basic apple guy go follow him on all the things he's the basic apple guy on Instagram and threads basic apple guy on Twitter McDon you can find him pretty easily he has the coffee cup with the Apple Rainbow on it but anyway he designed us a couple of very nice wallpapers you might have seen one floating around in the iPhone 14 pro uh review uh there's a new one that is more all black themed with all kinds of Apple devices floating around it and it's uh they're very clever I uh have them for my work Focus pop up on my lock screen and my home screen go and click don't use the images that are showing you them go click the link and that'll open up a fullsize version you can save to your photos app to use uh but yes we'll have a link to the wallpapers in our show notes right well games Stitch Dy suduku news crosswords everything and a lot of Cinema yeah when can we get Steph back um well thank you to you thank you also to Babel and fast growing trees of course and Stephen will be back next week we'll be all under adult supervision and we'll see whether Apple has recovered from its terrible terrible completely fine earnings this year\n"