Intel Arc Rumors Wrong, AMD RX 6500 XT Problems, AM5 Lifespan
### CES 2022 News Recap: Intel Arc GPU Rumors, AMD Ryzen 5000 Support, and More
#### Introduction
Welcome back to another CES news recap! This week has been packed with exciting announcements and updates from major tech companies. While we’ve covered a lot of ground already, there are still a few more days of news to unpack. However, we’re excited to ramp up our normal coverage soon. Let’s dive into the latest hardware news.
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#### Intel Arc GPU Rumors: A Non-Story
The first topic on everyone's minds is Intel and its much-awaited Arc GPUs. Earlier this week, Intel announced that its Arc GPUs were targeting a release in Q1 2022. However, within just 24 hours of this announcement, rumors began swirling that the launch was delayed indefinitely. The supposed evidence for this delay? A subtle change in Intel's slide or website: "Q1 2022" was changed to simply "2022."
But here’s the kicker: Intel itself has clarified that there is no delay. In a statement, Intel confirmed:
*"We are targeting the first Alchemist products to be in market in quarter one of 2022."*
So, the rumors were just that—rumors. Intel explained that the change was likely an internal adjustment and not indicative of any delays.
Moreover, it’s worth noting that Intel has already begun shipping these GPUs to OEMs and partners for laptops. While there might still be minor hiccups (like shipment issues), the technology is ready, and the Q1 release remains on track.
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#### AMD's 6500 XT: PCIe Gen4 and Low-End Gaming
Next up, we have AMD’s new budget GPU, the RX 6500 XT. This card has been a hot topic of discussion due to its unique setup: it uses only four PCIe Gen4 lanes instead of the full eight that most GPUs utilize.
If you’re wondering how to identify this on a physical card, look at the PCIe footprints. A fully populated socket with 16 pins means it’s using all eight lanes. If some pins are missing, it’s likely running on fewer lanes (e.g., 8x4 or 4x4). In the case of the 6500 XT, you’ll see that only four lanes are active.
The impact of this setup depends heavily on your motherboard:
- **PCIe Gen4 systems**: Four lanes still provide impressive bandwidth (eight gigabytes per second), which should be sufficient for budget gaming setups.
- **PCIe Gen3 systems**: Here’s where the real issues arise. Older platforms with PCIe Gen3 will see a significant drop in performance, as the bandwidth plummets to four gigabytes per second.
AMD has also made some questionable decisions regarding video encoding and decoding support. The RX 6400 and 6500 XT lack support for H.264, H.265, and AV1. While this might not immediately affect gaming performance, it severely limits the GPUs’ utility for content creation and streaming.
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#### AMD Considering Ryzen 5000 Support on Older Motherboards
In a move that has sparked both excitement and confusion, AMD is rumored to be considering support for its Ryzen 5000 series CPUs on older 300-series motherboards. This decision could have significant implications for users who prefer or need to stick with their existing hardware.
The history of AM4’s long-term support has been a double-edged sword:
- **Good side**: AMD’s commitment to supporting older platforms has helped it maintain a strong foothold in the market and build a loyal customer base.
- **Bad side**: It has also led to challenges, such as BIOS size limitations and compatibility issues.
In a recent interview with Tom’s Hardware, AMD’s VP David McAfee addressed the situation:
*"At the moment, the official answer from AMD would be these 300-series motherboards are not a supported configuration in our engineering validation coverage matrix. There are potential issues that could be in there that we’re simply not aware of at this point in time."*
However, users have already managed to boot Ryzen 5000 CPUs on X370 boards by cross-flashing BIOSes. While AMD isn’t officially supporting this configuration, it’s clear that the community is pushing for broader compatibility.
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#### 4K Gaming Monitors: High Refresh Rates and_HDR
CES has been flooded with announcements of new 4K gaming monitors, each offering higher refresh rates and advanced features like HDR and FreeSync/G-Sync. Highlights include:
- **Samsung**: Odyssey Neo G8
- **MSI**: Optix MPG321UR-QD Xbox Edition
- **Asus**: ROG Swift OLED (two sizes)
- **Acer**: Predator X32 and X32 FP
- **Viewsonic**: Elite XG321UG
These monitors range in size from 32 inches to 48 inches, catering to a variety of preferences. While 4K adoption is still relatively low (only 2.4% of Steam users reported using 4K in December), the availability of high-refresh-rate options could finally push mainstream adoption.
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#### Intel's Dragon Canyon NUC: A New Era for Compact PCs
Intel has once again pushed boundaries with its Dragon Canyon NUC, a device that defies traditional NUC design. Leaked photos revealed a compute element add-in card featuring an LGA 1700 socket—a first for Intel’s compact systems.
Key specs include:
- **Processor**: A 12th Gen Intel Core i9
- **Storage**: Three PCIe Gen4 M.2 slots (two visible on the compute element, one on the baseboard)
- **Connectivity**: Integrated 10G LAN and onboard Wi-Fi
This is a significant departure from Intel’s usual approach to NUCs, which typically feature soldered CPUs for compact designs. The Dragon Canyon’s modular design allows users to purchase it without RAM or storage, offering flexibility for third-party customization.
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#### AMD Emphasizes Long-Life Plans for AM5
In a recent interview with multiple media outlets, AMD confirmed that its AM5 platform will follow in the footsteps of AM4—offering long-term support. Lisa Su, AMD’s CTO, stated:
*"You should expect that AM5 will be a long-lived platform as AM4 has been."*
This commitment is a win-win for both consumers and manufacturers:
- **Consumers**: Extended motherboard support reduces costs and hassle.
- **Manufacturers**: Keeps AMD competitive in the market.
While this bodes well for future-proofing, it also means that motherboard vendors will need to adapt to maintain profitability. However, many users are already familiar with extending hardware life through upgrades like older CPUs and reused components.
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#### Gaming Cases: Mesh Panels and Modular Design
Finally, let’s dive into some of the most exciting gaming cases from CES 2022:
- **In Win N127 Nebula**: A mid-tower case with a mesh panel for improved airflow. It comes in two variants: one with an infinity mirror and another with RGB lighting.
- **In Win B1 Mesh**: Another mid-tower case that replaces the top glass pane with a mesh panel for better cooling.
And then there’s the **In Win Air Force**, a modular mid-tower case that ships flat-packed, much like an IKEA table. While this might seem gimmicky, it offers flexibility for users who enjoy building their own systems.
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#### Conclusion
CES 2022 has been a whirlwind of announcements and updates, with something for everyone—from GPU launches to new gaming monitors and innovative cases. While we’re excited to ramp up our normal coverage soon, there’s no shortage of news to unpack in the coming days.
Thanks for watching! Be sure to subscribe for more updates, and check back for additional CES roundups as the week wraps up. If you missed any of our previous videos, don’t forget to grab your disappointment 2021 t-shirts from our store while supplies last!
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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone welcome back to another ces news recap it's been a crazy week as we've been saying there's a ton of news coverage on the channel we have a couple more days potentially of interesting items for news but we're going to be ramping back into our normal coverage pretty soon here this one is interesting though we're going to talk about intel or at least the rumors of intel delaying its arc gpus spoiler alert they're not true we'll also be going over the 6500 xt pcie gen 4x4 setup amd considering ryzen 5000 support on x370 motherboards or other older 300 series motherboards we'll see if that comes to fruition 4k gaming monitors everywhere in when putting holes on a case yes that's right the world is ending anyone has discovered mesh panels we're actually really excited to see where they go with this let's get started before that this video is brought to you by thermal grizzly thermal grizzlies hydrant and cryonic thermal paste are high performing thermal interfaces for use on cpus and gpus you can bring an old card back to peak performance by replacing it and doing preventative maintenance and thermal grizzlies hydrant is ideal for water cooling and air quote for new and old cards alike cryonot paste is one of the top performing pace for extreme overclocking with cpus and gpus and has been used in several world record scoring machines learn more at the link in the description below the first one is really simple here intel had a stated target of quarter one 2022 for its arc gpus to come out this was stated at the time of filming yesterday which means that within 24 hours there were new rampant rumors about intel's delay in its 2022 quarter one launch for arc and as for why the rumors indicated that it's because there was a silent change where intel took out two letters from one of its slides or website pages it used to say q1 2022 it was changed to just say 2022 rather of course than asking intel why it did that uh everyone decided that that means it's delayed indefinitely so we asked intel why it did that intel said the following quote we are targeting the first alchemist products to be in market in quarter one of 2022. there you have it nothing has changed this is a non-story we're not sure why intel dropped two characters off of its website but given the many tens of thousands of people who work at intel probably it was a bitter argument between two departments that have never met each other that's my guess right now intel people watching this are going that happens more often than you think to which i say oh it's obvious all right next one that's a non-story it's still targeted for quarter one 2022. maybe it'll change who knows but if it does at this point it's it's not for that reason it'll be later but they are actually shipping these things they're going out the door already to oems and to partners like for laptops for example so they're going out the door there's not really a clear reason why it would be delayed unless they maybe can't get a shipment in time or something like that but the technology is done okay 6500 xt pcie gen4 we already talked about the 6500xt this is one of the more interesting low end cards that was announced recently and by one of the more interesting uh we mean one of two there's also the rtx 3050 250 the rx 6500xt is supposed to be 200 because the 65 xt is due for end of january that's the amd product as confirmed by an asrock product listing maybe accidentally amd's new budget rx 6500xt gpu comes with a full length obviously by 16 connector but it's only wired up to use four pcie gen4 lanes if you're wondering how you can see this on the gpu the easiest way is to take a video card look at the pcie foot and then if it's fully populated with pins probably it's full by 16. there's some other technology on there as well for the generation but that's what you're looking for if it's missing pins here and there it might be cut down to something like buy 8x4 something like that that's what's going on here so this shouldn't be a big deal on pcie gen 4 platforms because four lanes of gen 4 which is still fairly recent despite five coming out is still eight gigabytes per second and these lower end cards that should be plenty of bandwidth in a budget system where you're likely constrained in multiple places anyway where the problem clearly arises though is pcie gen 3 and a lot of people buying 6 500 xd cards are probably also making use of the more affordable and commonly available especially second hand pcie gen 3 equipped platforms motherboards things that are sold either used market or new old stock uh that's where you'll be cut down pretty hard to four gigabytes per second it might start to struggle we'll see maybe it's maybe it's small percentages drop off performs maybe it's large but either way pcie gen 4x4 we suspect you'll be fine and don't have much to worry about it's just moving down gen 3 where we'll need to test it and evaluate it to see how much it actually impacts things and we'll do that all right so cost savings here can't be too big certainly they don't really help you not in any meaningful way it's more of an amd thing at this point maybe it's for product segmentation but more likely to try and shave a few pennies off of every card being made the official amd pages for the rx 6400 yes that's also a thing that was was technically released or announced not really announced it exists no one said anything about it no one really talked about it but the 6400 and the 6500xt product pages confirm that neither card will support h.264 or h.265 encoding and they also won't support av1 decoding so this is a pretty deep blow to these cards because it makes them effectively useless for accelerating video and coding the lack of av1 support is less immediately relevant but netflix youtube and other streaming providers continue to slowly roll out the new format so this may make it harder to find uses for old 65 xt's as they become obsolete and this will cause them to become obsolete faster so really unfortunate because it significantly hinders the usefulness of the devices once they've sort of reached the end of their usable life for gaming uh it makes them a lot less useful for things outside of gaming later on where a gpu is typically it's got a couple more good years in it anyway up next a little bit more amd news while we're on the topic so amd is maybe considering support of ryzen 5000 on the older 300 series chipsets or it'll just sort of forget about this and move on as the next zen 3d and zenfone platforms come out but andy's original commitment to an unusually lengthy term for its socket m4 motherboard has obviously been both good and bad on the good side clearly this has allowed andy to get a strong foothold it's been a huge marketing point it's been one of the main points we've seen reiterated in comments specifically several years ago when am4 was still pretty new in its life where people were sort of looking for reasons to choose one platform versus another and maybe the performance of the price or whatever wasn't clear enough it often came back to motherboards and specifically long-term motherboard support amd had that so that's the good side the bad side is that it has caused andy a number of headaches with support as it's released more and more cpus there was the bios size debacle about a year two years ago at this point and now uh it's trying to deal with aging support for motherboards with newer cpus in an ideal world am4 motherboards in totality would support all ryzen cpus from one thousand to five thousand they'd all be cross compatible in reality ryzen 5000 cpus don't work with amd 300 series boards or at least they didn't until last november when some low-end a320 boards added support this understandably didn't make the community happy nothing ever does which took it as further proof that amd was artificially limiting 5000 support to new 500 series boards so a lot of this from a couple months ago when it was a new controversy stems from amd really not reading the room uh and addressing it properly the biggest issue with the 500 series boards was there was a significant increase in baseline price versus the past motherboards for this generation where amd with its new at the time leadership position where it was really pulling ahead of intel in big ways up until alder like i it didn't have a lot of reason to keep fighting at the low end it was gonna pull the prices up with it motherboard vendors pulled the prices up with them because they had invested up front for years to create a platform people wanted and now they're gonna increase the prices and try and get some of that money back that maybe they felt they deserved or whatever the case may be this obviously created a constraint on the lower end market andy didn't launch low and zen 3 cpus so you don't have anything below 5600x people frustrated obviously that's where the demand for support for 5000 series on older boards came from so amd's corporate vp david mcafee gave an interview to tom's hardware to explain some of the company's reasoning and its plans going forward mcafee stated quote at the moment the official answer from amd would be these 300 series motherboards are not a supported configuration in our engineering validation coverage matrix there are potential issues that could be in there that we're simply not aware of at this point in time now clearly it's possible to boot a 5000 series cpu in an x370 motherboard because users have been cross-flashing bios's for some time at this point so for months actually uh the problem though is that it's not possible to offer the full validated performance of ryzen 5000 on the 300 series board or at least that's what amd is mostly arguing as its point and that puts amd in a difficult spot where if it wants to officially support that combination what do you do if they can't be guaranteed they could make a really complex list of board to cpu that would be one way to do it and it'd probably be the most transparent uh and cleanest way to do it but also be kind of confusing for the end user so either way you know amd sort of put itself in this spot at this point um especially with the b550 support changes it made after outcry from the public it it went back on several of its plans to cut support going forward for certain cpus on certain platforms now people have seen that works so andy's going to keep getting this from people uh there was no official confirmation that andy would add ryzen 5000 to 300 series support in the toms hardware interview but mccaffey had this to say quote it's certainly something that we're not just leaving on the side and ignoring we definitely understand there's a vocal part of the community that's passionate about this and we want to try and do the right thing so we're still working through it regardless of amd's intentions here there's a good chance that this gets left on the side and ignored um just historically that's sort of what we've seen in the business but either way they're at least thinking about it and maybe actively trying to make things work 5 000 on x300 x370 motherboards uh it'd be nice it it allowed people sort of more of an upgrade path without buying another motherboard when they feel like there's new platforms on the horizon and am5 anyway people don't really want to buy a new motherboard they want to hang out to what they've got obviously until the new thing comes out so and adding 5000 series support on older chipsets although it is easy for a lot of people who have newer builds to kind of scoff and go why don't you just buy a new motherboard the thing is as myself and most the people on my team have seen over the years a lot of us keep all their hardware in service because with time you can go grab a used higher end cpu than you bought when you initially built the computer drop it into your board and keep it alive another few years manufacturers obviously hate that one weird trick manufacturers hate buy a 4790k six years after it came out put it into the board and replace your 4690k then sell the 4690k for 200 definitely that is not something that that helps intel sales but it's something that patrick on our team did not too long ago and it gave him a great uplift in performance so that's the argument for why you would want that sport long term however we all see amd's side of it where they're like look we just can't validate all the performance we can't guarantee anything uh it's not working whatever the bios size limitations are problematic all these things we can understand both of it but anyway that's the news on that 4k gaming monitors are happening there's a lot of them it seems that every manufacturer at this point has a new high refresh 4k hdr display that it's bringing to market and showing off at ces samsung had the odyssey neo the g8 version msi had the here we go optics mpg321ur qd xbox edition that's right don't know what that means asus had the rog swift oled in two sizes acer had the predator x32 and the x32 fp and viewsonic showed its elite xg321ug these models are all 4k with refresh rates of 120hz and higher with hdr and most have freesync or g-sync as well not all were introduced at ces but they're new enough that they're all getting displayed there it's taken a long time for these features to move down from tvs to reasonably sized gaming monitors all the displays we just listed are 32 inches except for the rog swift ones which are 42 inches or 48 inches smaller swifts are already on the market here steam's december hardware survey still shows 4k displays being used by just 2.4 percent of respondents that's a drop in the bucket compared to the 67.1 still using 1080p maybe the availability of high refresh options is what it'll take to tip the scales towards 1440p and 4k and we've seen this trend a lot over the last couple years for 4k is becoming much more affordable at the 4k 60 range and obviously now we've got sort of the high end displays becoming even more higher up next intel dragon canyon it's a new knock intel frequently launches actually really interesting knock or many computer designs and then doesn't really talk very much about them this is another follow-up in that because the leaked photo on twitter from a few days ago provided us a lot more information sadly than the intel official announcement of dragon canyon maybe intel threw it together after the leak came out either way we're going to combine both of them so we can actually report the full picture of this thing so the photo from a few days ago was a compute element add-in card that had what people were calling the first lga socket for a knuck this is the kind of compute element that's found in the nuk extreme kits with a full sized desktop lga 1700 socket and retention bracket this is unusual because knocks are by definition generally compact and in the past intel has used soldered laptop chips to keep the motherboard and cooling solutions as small as possible intel just officially revealed the intel nok 12 extreme however in this video the one that we have on screen shows dragon canyon which appears to fully confirm the validity of the previous leaked photo listed specs include a 12th gen intel core i9 processor presumably some flavor of 12 900 intel cells nut kits through third parties though who can choose to sell the units bare bones without ram or storage so we're curious to see whether buying a nut without a cpu is also an option specs also list three pcie gen 4 m.2 slots for storage two of these are visible on the uh pcie device itself on the compute element the last one is likely on the baseboard that's how it's been done in the past the beast canyon duck for example had one on the baseboard beast canyon's compute element as a reminder contain three m.2 slots and a wireless key e card dragon canyon also has onboard wireless but the card has been shifted to the rear i o hopefully in a way that's still user serviceable interestingly the knock also has integrated 10 gigabit ethernet lan a rare feature even on full size z690 board so that's actually pretty useful here general reminder for those who might not know why you would want 10 gigabit ethernet when your internet service provider is likely screwing you to even get 30 megabits in a lot of places in the world it's because internally you can still use it for things like nas devices ram compatibility is limited to ddr4 so dimms power appears to still be provided by normal atx connectors so we'll cautiously say that intel is continuing to move in a user-friendly direction with these nuts there was early speculation as to whether intel would do a full reveal of the products at ces but until today's teaser there was no news that had come out we did spot an extreme knock presumably dragon canyon as well in intel's live stream uh honestly it looked like it was just put in there to round out the graphic that it was in sort of the sad general history of the nox where you've got this team doing really cool engineering mechanical and otherwise and their product is like uh we kind of need something that fits in this rectangular hole on the slide between all the laptops and the cpus do the nut guys have anything thanks steve anyway it was lumped in with more than 50 mobile and desktop designs all using intel arc this lends credence to the prediction that intel will ship its own gpus in the nux although probably not this one the smaller enthusiast knocks are the ones that typically ship with soldered d gpus while the larger aic compatible extreme knocks generally ship without d gpus that earlier live stream also mentioned not dragon canyon but serpent canyon a different one another nook which is a code name for the supposedly dg2 equipped nok 12 enthusiast that leaked last year up next amd emphasizing long life plans for am5 this was part of an interview with several media outlets including pc worlds gordon over there one of our favorites to have on the show and hot hardware included as well the media outlet spoke with dr lisa sue and other amd team members about its plans for am5 going forward and one of the remarks from sue confirmed that quote you should expect that am5 will be a long-lived platform as am4 has been i think we're expecting am4 to stay in the marketplace for quite some years and it'll sort of be an overlapping type of thing end quote am4 has been well received but it's interesting that amd is ready to jump right back to guaranteeing years of support for a socket after its recent difficulties maintaining that guarantee with the final launches in the ryzen 5000 line and the b550 and the 300 series motherboard making boards last longer is a win-win for customers it's obviously good for amd it keeps people buying amd cpus so amd benefits consumers clearly benefit economically and even just in the hassle or time costs as they swap things around the biggest party that loses out here is motherboard manufacturers but they they've got enough they're doing a lot to make as much money as they can they've got enough going on plus a lot of people do just upgrade the entire thing when they replace the cpu anyway so there's still plenty of market to be had there it's not like they're being left out in the cold in response to a question from hot hardware as to whether andy will unify htt and desktop going forward or keep the am5 desktop line separate cvp david mcafee stated that quote we do expect it to be kind of in line with the am4 positioning in our portfolio the implication here reading between the lines the rather broad lines is that threadripper and desktop parts will remain separate while am4 has enjoyed years of support and generational cross compatibility at this point and these atdt platforms have clearly been much shorter lived we've seen no indication at this point that that's going to change anyone had two cases that caught our eye this year at ces plus one that came out a little earlier but we hadn't noticed existed uh the b1 mesh and the nebula 127 are the two most immediately interesting and newest cases from in win the 127 and its nebula variants are mid towers it's what we specialize in reviewing on cases at least and they're in the same old boxy inwin form factor familiar to the in-win 303 that we reviewed a long long time ago this is however with the welcome edition and rare edition of a mesh panel i haven't actually i genuinely can't think of a time in recent memory where in when fully committed to airflow in one of its cases it's very form focused rather than function focused typically and if that's not obvious we'll put some of the examples of in signature series cases on the screen from our many years of previous computex coverage the n127 ships with one 120 millimeter fan but it has the capacity to add more which is a start the 127 non n so not the n127 but the 127 comes without any fans they're a little bit different there it's at least not no fans and a glass front panel this time but still no fans both models have a side intake vent like the 303 so the mesh is additive and not a replacement the power supply and the hard drives bays are mounted at the top of the case behind a sealed section of the front panel the main difference between the two models is that the n127 has an infinity mirror on the cover while the 127 non-n has a small rgb and one logo the next one is the b1 we've seen the b1 before back at ces 2020 where we were interested but expressed concern over the airflow and the higher tdp part compatibility clearly inwin doesn't intend for the case to be used with high td parts either since the included power supply is 200 watts and the product page says quote note intel 10th gen cpus with 8 cores or more will generate too much power and will overload your pc system as a result end quote the b1 mesh replaces the flat glass pane on top of the case with a mesh panel instead which should work much better with the sort of low profile downdraft coolers that fit in the case otherwise the case remains unchanged the power supply and the single 80mm stock exhaust fan are the same but the negative pressure layout should be much more effective with the mesh top in the course of writing about these cases we discovered the inuin air force this came out a couple months ago so it's not new but it's new to us we're guessing it's new for a lot of you as well inwin launched this mid tower with absolutely zero fanfare we didn't know it existed we've been working with and went for a long time in win come on i know someone there's watching this just send us an email next time you launch an interesting case the case is advertised as modular it's advertised as such because it ships flat packs and then you have to build it sort of in the same way that an ikea table is modular it ships with the four legs and a lot of screws then you put it all together that's a feature so anyone advertises this as a feature of course we think they were going for lego with the very bright primary colors and the build it yourself but who knows maybe maybe it could be a gundam thing mostly because we can't get jundum out of our heads after saying in the last video but this comes with four fans and it supports ssi eev motherboards it actually does look pretty interesting we've requested one for review kind of looking forward to working on something from in one again it's been a little while their form focused stuff is really cool too like the h tower the uh jarvis thing from last year so they do cool stuff that's purely form no function but there does have to be something there sort of at the base to support everything else so that's it for hardware news thanks for watching as always subscribe for we'll probably have one or two more types of news roundups uh than we would typically have just because of all the news coming out this week so check back for those otherwise back to normal reviews like the thing that's thrown apart on the table in front of me very shortly this one will be entertaining as well so thanks for watching subscribe for more you can go to store.gamingtexas.net to grab one of our disappointment 2021 t-shirts we are in the third and final round of those where you can grab our toolkits which are in stock and shipping now if you backward it yours is going out shortly thanks for watching we'll see you all next timehey everyone welcome back to another ces news recap it's been a crazy week as we've been saying there's a ton of news coverage on the channel we have a couple more days potentially of interesting items for news but we're going to be ramping back into our normal coverage pretty soon here this one is interesting though we're going to talk about intel or at least the rumors of intel delaying its arc gpus spoiler alert they're not true we'll also be going over the 6500 xt pcie gen 4x4 setup amd considering ryzen 5000 support on x370 motherboards or other older 300 series motherboards we'll see if that comes to fruition 4k gaming monitors everywhere in when putting holes on a case yes that's right the world is ending anyone has discovered mesh panels we're actually really excited to see where they go with this let's get started before that this video is brought to you by thermal grizzly thermal grizzlies hydrant and cryonic thermal paste are high performing thermal interfaces for use on cpus and gpus you can bring an old card back to peak performance by replacing it and doing preventative maintenance and thermal grizzlies hydrant is ideal for water cooling and air quote for new and old cards alike cryonot paste is one of the top performing pace for extreme overclocking with cpus and gpus and has been used in several world record scoring machines learn more at the link in the description below the first one is really simple here intel had a stated target of quarter one 2022 for its arc gpus to come out this was stated at the time of filming yesterday which means that within 24 hours there were new rampant rumors about intel's delay in its 2022 quarter one launch for arc and as for why the rumors indicated that it's because there was a silent change where intel took out two letters from one of its slides or website pages it used to say q1 2022 it was changed to just say 2022 rather of course than asking intel why it did that uh everyone decided that that means it's delayed indefinitely so we asked intel why it did that intel said the following quote we are targeting the first alchemist products to be in market in quarter one of 2022. there you have it nothing has changed this is a non-story we're not sure why intel dropped two characters off of its website but given the many tens of thousands of people who work at intel probably it was a bitter argument between two departments that have never met each other that's my guess right now intel people watching this are going that happens more often than you think to which i say oh it's obvious all right next one that's a non-story it's still targeted for quarter one 2022. maybe it'll change who knows but if it does at this point it's it's not for that reason it'll be later but they are actually shipping these things they're going out the door already to oems and to partners like for laptops for example so they're going out the door there's not really a clear reason why it would be delayed unless they maybe can't get a shipment in time or something like that but the technology is done okay 6500 xt pcie gen4 we already talked about the 6500xt this is one of the more interesting low end cards that was announced recently and by one of the more interesting uh we mean one of two there's also the rtx 3050 250 the rx 6500xt is supposed to be 200 because the 65 xt is due for end of january that's the amd product as confirmed by an asrock product listing maybe accidentally amd's new budget rx 6500xt gpu comes with a full length obviously by 16 connector but it's only wired up to use four pcie gen4 lanes if you're wondering how you can see this on the gpu the easiest way is to take a video card look at the pcie foot and then if it's fully populated with pins probably it's full by 16. there's some other technology on there as well for the generation but that's what you're looking for if it's missing pins here and there it might be cut down to something like buy 8x4 something like that that's what's going on here so this shouldn't be a big deal on pcie gen 4 platforms because four lanes of gen 4 which is still fairly recent despite five coming out is still eight gigabytes per second and these lower end cards that should be plenty of bandwidth in a budget system where you're likely constrained in multiple places anyway where the problem clearly arises though is pcie gen 3 and a lot of people buying 6 500 xd cards are probably also making use of the more affordable and commonly available especially second hand pcie gen 3 equipped platforms motherboards things that are sold either used market or new old stock uh that's where you'll be cut down pretty hard to four gigabytes per second it might start to struggle we'll see maybe it's maybe it's small percentages drop off performs maybe it's large but either way pcie gen 4x4 we suspect you'll be fine and don't have much to worry about it's just moving down gen 3 where we'll need to test it and evaluate it to see how much it actually impacts things and we'll do that all right so cost savings here can't be too big certainly they don't really help you not in any meaningful way it's more of an amd thing at this point maybe it's for product segmentation but more likely to try and shave a few pennies off of every card being made the official amd pages for the rx 6400 yes that's also a thing that was was technically released or announced not really announced it exists no one said anything about it no one really talked about it but the 6400 and the 6500xt product pages confirm that neither card will support h.264 or h.265 encoding and they also won't support av1 decoding so this is a pretty deep blow to these cards because it makes them effectively useless for accelerating video and coding the lack of av1 support is less immediately relevant but netflix youtube and other streaming providers continue to slowly roll out the new format so this may make it harder to find uses for old 65 xt's as they become obsolete and this will cause them to become obsolete faster so really unfortunate because it significantly hinders the usefulness of the devices once they've sort of reached the end of their usable life for gaming uh it makes them a lot less useful for things outside of gaming later on where a gpu is typically it's got a couple more good years in it anyway up next a little bit more amd news while we're on the topic so amd is maybe considering support of ryzen 5000 on the older 300 series chipsets or it'll just sort of forget about this and move on as the next zen 3d and zenfone platforms come out but andy's original commitment to an unusually lengthy term for its socket m4 motherboard has obviously been both good and bad on the good side clearly this has allowed andy to get a strong foothold it's been a huge marketing point it's been one of the main points we've seen reiterated in comments specifically several years ago when am4 was still pretty new in its life where people were sort of looking for reasons to choose one platform versus another and maybe the performance of the price or whatever wasn't clear enough it often came back to motherboards and specifically long-term motherboard support amd had that so that's the good side the bad side is that it has caused andy a number of headaches with support as it's released more and more cpus there was the bios size debacle about a year two years ago at this point and now uh it's trying to deal with aging support for motherboards with newer cpus in an ideal world am4 motherboards in totality would support all ryzen cpus from one thousand to five thousand they'd all be cross compatible in reality ryzen 5000 cpus don't work with amd 300 series boards or at least they didn't until last november when some low-end a320 boards added support this understandably didn't make the community happy nothing ever does which took it as further proof that amd was artificially limiting 5000 support to new 500 series boards so a lot of this from a couple months ago when it was a new controversy stems from amd really not reading the room uh and addressing it properly the biggest issue with the 500 series boards was there was a significant increase in baseline price versus the past motherboards for this generation where amd with its new at the time leadership position where it was really pulling ahead of intel in big ways up until alder like i it didn't have a lot of reason to keep fighting at the low end it was gonna pull the prices up with it motherboard vendors pulled the prices up with them because they had invested up front for years to create a platform people wanted and now they're gonna increase the prices and try and get some of that money back that maybe they felt they deserved or whatever the case may be this obviously created a constraint on the lower end market andy didn't launch low and zen 3 cpus so you don't have anything below 5600x people frustrated obviously that's where the demand for support for 5000 series on older boards came from so amd's corporate vp david mcafee gave an interview to tom's hardware to explain some of the company's reasoning and its plans going forward mcafee stated quote at the moment the official answer from amd would be these 300 series motherboards are not a supported configuration in our engineering validation coverage matrix there are potential issues that could be in there that we're simply not aware of at this point in time now clearly it's possible to boot a 5000 series cpu in an x370 motherboard because users have been cross-flashing bios's for some time at this point so for months actually uh the problem though is that it's not possible to offer the full validated performance of ryzen 5000 on the 300 series board or at least that's what amd is mostly arguing as its point and that puts amd in a difficult spot where if it wants to officially support that combination what do you do if they can't be guaranteed they could make a really complex list of board to cpu that would be one way to do it and it'd probably be the most transparent uh and cleanest way to do it but also be kind of confusing for the end user so either way you know amd sort of put itself in this spot at this point um especially with the b550 support changes it made after outcry from the public it it went back on several of its plans to cut support going forward for certain cpus on certain platforms now people have seen that works so andy's going to keep getting this from people uh there was no official confirmation that andy would add ryzen 5000 to 300 series support in the toms hardware interview but mccaffey had this to say quote it's certainly something that we're not just leaving on the side and ignoring we definitely understand there's a vocal part of the community that's passionate about this and we want to try and do the right thing so we're still working through it regardless of amd's intentions here there's a good chance that this gets left on the side and ignored um just historically that's sort of what we've seen in the business but either way they're at least thinking about it and maybe actively trying to make things work 5 000 on x300 x370 motherboards uh it'd be nice it it allowed people sort of more of an upgrade path without buying another motherboard when they feel like there's new platforms on the horizon and am5 anyway people don't really want to buy a new motherboard they want to hang out to what they've got obviously until the new thing comes out so and adding 5000 series support on older chipsets although it is easy for a lot of people who have newer builds to kind of scoff and go why don't you just buy a new motherboard the thing is as myself and most the people on my team have seen over the years a lot of us keep all their hardware in service because with time you can go grab a used higher end cpu than you bought when you initially built the computer drop it into your board and keep it alive another few years manufacturers obviously hate that one weird trick manufacturers hate buy a 4790k six years after it came out put it into the board and replace your 4690k then sell the 4690k for 200 definitely that is not something that that helps intel sales but it's something that patrick on our team did not too long ago and it gave him a great uplift in performance so that's the argument for why you would want that sport long term however we all see amd's side of it where they're like look we just can't validate all the performance we can't guarantee anything uh it's not working whatever the bios size limitations are problematic all these things we can understand both of it but anyway that's the news on that 4k gaming monitors are happening there's a lot of them it seems that every manufacturer at this point has a new high refresh 4k hdr display that it's bringing to market and showing off at ces samsung had the odyssey neo the g8 version msi had the here we go optics mpg321ur qd xbox edition that's right don't know what that means asus had the rog swift oled in two sizes acer had the predator x32 and the x32 fp and viewsonic showed its elite xg321ug these models are all 4k with refresh rates of 120hz and higher with hdr and most have freesync or g-sync as well not all were introduced at ces but they're new enough that they're all getting displayed there it's taken a long time for these features to move down from tvs to reasonably sized gaming monitors all the displays we just listed are 32 inches except for the rog swift ones which are 42 inches or 48 inches smaller swifts are already on the market here steam's december hardware survey still shows 4k displays being used by just 2.4 percent of respondents that's a drop in the bucket compared to the 67.1 still using 1080p maybe the availability of high refresh options is what it'll take to tip the scales towards 1440p and 4k and we've seen this trend a lot over the last couple years for 4k is becoming much more affordable at the 4k 60 range and obviously now we've got sort of the high end displays becoming even more higher up next intel dragon canyon it's a new knock intel frequently launches actually really interesting knock or many computer designs and then doesn't really talk very much about them this is another follow-up in that because the leaked photo on twitter from a few days ago provided us a lot more information sadly than the intel official announcement of dragon canyon maybe intel threw it together after the leak came out either way we're going to combine both of them so we can actually report the full picture of this thing so the photo from a few days ago was a compute element add-in card that had what people were calling the first lga socket for a knuck this is the kind of compute element that's found in the nuk extreme kits with a full sized desktop lga 1700 socket and retention bracket this is unusual because knocks are by definition generally compact and in the past intel has used soldered laptop chips to keep the motherboard and cooling solutions as small as possible intel just officially revealed the intel nok 12 extreme however in this video the one that we have on screen shows dragon canyon which appears to fully confirm the validity of the previous leaked photo listed specs include a 12th gen intel core i9 processor presumably some flavor of 12 900 intel cells nut kits through third parties though who can choose to sell the units bare bones without ram or storage so we're curious to see whether buying a nut without a cpu is also an option specs also list three pcie gen 4 m.2 slots for storage two of these are visible on the uh pcie device itself on the compute element the last one is likely on the baseboard that's how it's been done in the past the beast canyon duck for example had one on the baseboard beast canyon's compute element as a reminder contain three m.2 slots and a wireless key e card dragon canyon also has onboard wireless but the card has been shifted to the rear i o hopefully in a way that's still user serviceable interestingly the knock also has integrated 10 gigabit ethernet lan a rare feature even on full size z690 board so that's actually pretty useful here general reminder for those who might not know why you would want 10 gigabit ethernet when your internet service provider is likely screwing you to even get 30 megabits in a lot of places in the world it's because internally you can still use it for things like nas devices ram compatibility is limited to ddr4 so dimms power appears to still be provided by normal atx connectors so we'll cautiously say that intel is continuing to move in a user-friendly direction with these nuts there was early speculation as to whether intel would do a full reveal of the products at ces but until today's teaser there was no news that had come out we did spot an extreme knock presumably dragon canyon as well in intel's live stream uh honestly it looked like it was just put in there to round out the graphic that it was in sort of the sad general history of the nox where you've got this team doing really cool engineering mechanical and otherwise and their product is like uh we kind of need something that fits in this rectangular hole on the slide between all the laptops and the cpus do the nut guys have anything thanks steve anyway it was lumped in with more than 50 mobile and desktop designs all using intel arc this lends credence to the prediction that intel will ship its own gpus in the nux although probably not this one the smaller enthusiast knocks are the ones that typically ship with soldered d gpus while the larger aic compatible extreme knocks generally ship without d gpus that earlier live stream also mentioned not dragon canyon but serpent canyon a different one another nook which is a code name for the supposedly dg2 equipped nok 12 enthusiast that leaked last year up next amd emphasizing long life plans for am5 this was part of an interview with several media outlets including pc worlds gordon over there one of our favorites to have on the show and hot hardware included as well the media outlet spoke with dr lisa sue and other amd team members about its plans for am5 going forward and one of the remarks from sue confirmed that quote you should expect that am5 will be a long-lived platform as am4 has been i think we're expecting am4 to stay in the marketplace for quite some years and it'll sort of be an overlapping type of thing end quote am4 has been well received but it's interesting that amd is ready to jump right back to guaranteeing years of support for a socket after its recent difficulties maintaining that guarantee with the final launches in the ryzen 5000 line and the b550 and the 300 series motherboard making boards last longer is a win-win for customers it's obviously good for amd it keeps people buying amd cpus so amd benefits consumers clearly benefit economically and even just in the hassle or time costs as they swap things around the biggest party that loses out here is motherboard manufacturers but they they've got enough they're doing a lot to make as much money as they can they've got enough going on plus a lot of people do just upgrade the entire thing when they replace the cpu anyway so there's still plenty of market to be had there it's not like they're being left out in the cold in response to a question from hot hardware as to whether andy will unify htt and desktop going forward or keep the am5 desktop line separate cvp david mcafee stated that quote we do expect it to be kind of in line with the am4 positioning in our portfolio the implication here reading between the lines the rather broad lines is that threadripper and desktop parts will remain separate while am4 has enjoyed years of support and generational cross compatibility at this point and these atdt platforms have clearly been much shorter lived we've seen no indication at this point that that's going to change anyone had two cases that caught our eye this year at ces plus one that came out a little earlier but we hadn't noticed existed uh the b1 mesh and the nebula 127 are the two most immediately interesting and newest cases from in win the 127 and its nebula variants are mid towers it's what we specialize in reviewing on cases at least and they're in the same old boxy inwin form factor familiar to the in-win 303 that we reviewed a long long time ago this is however with the welcome edition and rare edition of a mesh panel i haven't actually i genuinely can't think of a time in recent memory where in when fully committed to airflow in one of its cases it's very form focused rather than function focused typically and if that's not obvious we'll put some of the examples of in signature series cases on the screen from our many years of previous computex coverage the n127 ships with one 120 millimeter fan but it has the capacity to add more which is a start the 127 non n so not the n127 but the 127 comes without any fans they're a little bit different there it's at least not no fans and a glass front panel this time but still no fans both models have a side intake vent like the 303 so the mesh is additive and not a replacement the power supply and the hard drives bays are mounted at the top of the case behind a sealed section of the front panel the main difference between the two models is that the n127 has an infinity mirror on the cover while the 127 non-n has a small rgb and one logo the next one is the b1 we've seen the b1 before back at ces 2020 where we were interested but expressed concern over the airflow and the higher tdp part compatibility clearly inwin doesn't intend for the case to be used with high td parts either since the included power supply is 200 watts and the product page says quote note intel 10th gen cpus with 8 cores or more will generate too much power and will overload your pc system as a result end quote the b1 mesh replaces the flat glass pane on top of the case with a mesh panel instead which should work much better with the sort of low profile downdraft coolers that fit in the case otherwise the case remains unchanged the power supply and the single 80mm stock exhaust fan are the same but the negative pressure layout should be much more effective with the mesh top in the course of writing about these cases we discovered the inuin air force this came out a couple months ago so it's not new but it's new to us we're guessing it's new for a lot of you as well inwin launched this mid tower with absolutely zero fanfare we didn't know it existed we've been working with and went for a long time in win come on i know someone there's watching this just send us an email next time you launch an interesting case the case is advertised as modular it's advertised as such because it ships flat packs and then you have to build it sort of in the same way that an ikea table is modular it ships with the four legs and a lot of screws then you put it all together that's a feature so anyone advertises this as a feature of course we think they were going for lego with the very bright primary colors and the build it yourself but who knows maybe maybe it could be a gundam thing mostly because we can't get jundum out of our heads after saying in the last video but this comes with four fans and it supports ssi eev motherboards it actually does look pretty interesting we've requested one for review kind of looking forward to working on something from in one again it's been a little while their form focused stuff is really cool too like the h tower the uh jarvis thing from last year so they do cool stuff that's purely form no function but there does have to be something there sort of at the base to support everything else so that's it for hardware news thanks for watching as always subscribe for we'll probably have one or two more types of news roundups uh than we would typically have just because of all the news coming out this week so check back for those otherwise back to normal reviews like the thing that's thrown apart on the table in front of me very shortly this one will be entertaining as well so thanks for watching subscribe for more you can go to store.gamingtexas.net to grab one of our disappointment 2021 t-shirts we are in the third and final round of those where you can grab our toolkits which are in stock and shipping now if you backward it yours is going out shortly thanks for watching we'll see you all next time\n"