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My two podcasts are the XML Tech Podcast and Analog, both available on ATP FM and Relay FM respectively. The XML Tech Podcast is hosted by myself, Marco Arment, John Siracusa, and features discussions about technology and software development. Analog is more of a human-interest show where my friend Mike Hurley and I talk about our personal experiences with digital devices in the real world.

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwelcome to nine-to-five back western podcast series exploring the world of Apple watch and how it impacts people's lives my next guest is Casey list developer of vignette and pico View for iPhone a co-host of Frehley FM's monthly analogue podcast with my curly as well as the accidental tech podcast with Marco Arment and John Syracuse Todd welcome to the show Casey how are you I am well how you doing not bad did I miss anything there no no I think you pretty much got it there's a lot of old and dead projects that about hey hey we don't need to bring up so I think I think you've got it yeah well first off I want apologize on the record for for the first time ever I slept in on a recording and I woke up and it was like time to take my daughter to school an hour ago and it was crazy so but but I will say I listen to analog on the way back from it from a drive home from Kennedy Space Center last weekend and it I felt relief and knowing that you've had this experience yourself not just a long time ago but like recently yeah so suffice to say it was the last recording of analog was like a Monday or two ago and I had left the house right as I was supposed to record it was on my calendar like it's entirely my fault I just completely blew it and I left the house as I was due to record and so my co-host Mike Hurley you know we're fine my friends friends yeah and so he was he tells me after the fact that he was watching me my little blue dot like drive away from my house going to like get my son's haircut which is something that we needed to get done but could have absolutely been done any other time that's right so as he we discussed on the show I went on like a three-day apology tour because I just completely blew him off and felt so terrible about it and then you know yesterday I was DMing you saying hey ma'am I figured that I was the one who had screwed up like maybe I'd recorded the wrong day or something like that and it turns out you overslept for actually a very interesting reason that's worth discussing but it was funny that within the span of like a week in a day it was quid-pro-quo and suddenly so the universe does balance out as yeah I felt like it was karmic justice in the best possible exactly exactly but you said to me privately before we recorded it was a very fascinating reason why you missed you boy you didn't wake up talked about that yes usually I sleep I've got both series 500 series for from a few years ago and so usually I sleep with the series 3 at night and I started using that for sleep tracking and then I have the alarm on that and I have it as silent so it doesn't disturb my life and that just the taps on the rest are enough to wake me up like more than a sound probably and then I was up pretty late the night before just working on some stories and things and I thought I need to wake up early tomorrow and get my daughter on the bus had been gone for about a week from home so it's like getting back my 13 and it so I had the alarm set for 6 a.m. for 5:30 and 6 a.m. and if I I'll use my iPhone because like that's gonna be louder and I've gotta turn it off to make it not not make noise and then that will be my alarm and I think what happened is I set it to a sound or a tone that wasn't downloaded locally to the iPhone that was like in the cloud but there was no UI to suggest that so technically I had it set to a silent tone which did nothing for me and so I woke up like well-rested and everything it was like 8:30 you know not 6:00 a.m. or 5:30 great sleep and so I was kind of disoriented though and so I said you know to the home pod Siri what time is it it just felt like I needed to know and it's like 8:30 you know it's like I wasn't got it my wife woke up to and she was off that day but like we hadn't gotten I drama on the school bus at 6:30 or you know to school by 7:00 when she's to be at school and so I had to got just really fast and um like I took her to school and they're like why should tardy I'm like mom and dad slept in you know and and I was like oh no and my wife Kelsey was like yeah Emily I was like no I had a podcast scheduled to record 30 minutes ago and I can't even do it like right now because I've got to take Emily to school so you were gracious enough and accepted my apology and I was having a really glad that you could record today so it's awesome yeah it all worked out I feel like you and I are both gonna be on a simultaneous apology tour for the so I have I have one idea I want to pitch to you and then we'll talk about some a small piece of news in the upper world there's a lot more going on but we won't get much into that and then we'll talk about your experience with the Apple watch it right in Casey if that's all right yeah that sounds great so the first thing I have is last week I drove from I live in Ocean Springs Mississippi which is like the Gulf Coast bye Biloxi and I drove over to Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Florida and my car was getting really dirty and I was doing the thing with the the sponge where you you know do your windshield kill the bugs off and I was thinking you know Casey you've got this history of making car videos on YouTube that's kind of on pause maybe forever but I was thinking I don't know how to wash my car on my own and I hear that you you know even if you sacrifice the back of an iPhone are there skilled and take pride in washing your car regularly so I would love a how to wash your car video because that's how I learn like how to grill burger had anything like that it's from YouTube so I don't know if you've got techniques I would love the KC technique yeah you know so here's the thing washing a car for those who are into this sort of thing it's like a religious discussion or a political discussion you know like oh you must use this soap oh you mustn't use that soap and you must do it in this order you must have to do it in that order etc etc and the I do kind of have a video about this in the sense that I have what does it call an Instagram account I'm such an old what on Instagram where you have like a highlighted series of stories as a highlight is that right yeah thinking of it I do yes if you go to my profile on Instagram and that's my name KC lists one of the highlights whatever they're called is carwash 101 and that is a series of like little Instagram stories so they did one morning probably six months or a year ago when I was in my car I have changed my technique ever so slightly since then if memory serves but the broad strokes of it are just fine and basically the way I've I have fallen upon for the last six ish months is I'll spray the whole car down I'll take a cleaner to the exhaust pipes and the wheels different cleaners why use bartenders friend I think it is something like that from exhaust pipes which is something you can use on the kitchen sinks and stuff like that and then I'll use I don't have it in front of me but I think it's a black wheel cleaner I have an Instagram story and I'll spray down the wheels and then I use mr. pink I believe is the name of it car wash and I'll use the two bucket system so one bucket is just for the sponge when it's clean the other bucket is to get the sponge you like rinsed off after you've touched it to the car oh you know basically spray the car juice with the hose go section by section top to bottom back to front and you know so you put suds all over it and then spray it down move to the next section side spray etc and then I just take like old beach towels which some people find blasphemous hell beach towels and just you know dry it off like that and call it a day and then I use some sort of tire foam I forget what it is - after the tires have mostly dried I'll spray that foam on the tires to shine them up there are some people that have very very strong thoughts about what tire stuff to use there's a black and shiny but the broad-strokes is clean the wheels clean the tailpipes clean the car that's basically it and it's really not difficult and you're unless you do something really and truly stupid you're not gonna hurt the car in a way that you'll be able to see it you know maybe there'll be some small imperfections that you know a complete nutjob good but for any normal human including me for that matter you'll never see any of the things that you would do if you follow that basic strategy and then you know I I have tips I could give you about claying your car which is a really odd thing that most people haven't heard of but you can actually take a clay bar to the exterior of your car and the first time I did this I was like I don't know and I and I try to do it once every year - with with our cars but basically you put a little like lubricant on the car it's like just a detailing spray and you take this piece of clay and you literally rub it against the car and you think to yourself that this has got to be insane you know I don't know if you were I don't know if you were of age that when we when the ear candling thing went around did you hear about this I was in high school yeah okay so yeah I've seen what happened yeah your handling has been widely reported to be bogus but okay a fleeting moment there we were like oh yeah it takes all the your earwax out of yours it's great well taking a clay bar to a car seems like an equally dumb thing to do right by I took my I did this to my wife's car years and years ago and I done half her hood and I left the other half alone and I said to Aaron I said okay I want you to take your hand and I want you to run it from the I don't remember if it was from the the clades side of the unplayed vice versa but I want you to see if you can feel the difference and she's looking at me like you know I'm she often does because I often have dumb ideas and she's looking at me like okay whatever man-- sure I'm gonna be able to tell the difference and then as I watched her move her hand across from you know one side to the other all of a sudden her eyes got really big and she said oh yeah uh-huh so sure enough so if that's the expert level there's all this to say is that's the expert level of car-washing is once or twice a year you can get a kit like McGuire's has a good kit that I think is what I typically use and you can actually clay your car and I kid you not it makes a tremendous tremendous tremendous difference you would never believe the difference it makes that is awesome so this this could be your legacy like the kc list method and it could be a blog post full of affiliate links and i would just eat it up you know I probably should probably should yes my approach to making bacon didn't quite take off the way damn Benjamin spit that's that's awesome next thing up that I mention is that there there are a lot of new stories around Apple watch and watch OS this week from the future and so I try to keep this podcast sort of timeless and and avoid that but you know what we will have a lot of discussion about that on 9 to 5 Mac happy hour and the greater podcast universe I will say that one thing I wanted to mention this week that's sort of interesting is that it because of the Cova 19 coronavirus there's some things that are affecting how apple's was working so I was in a few over the weekend on a road trip and you know you see the jerem X or the hand sanitizer neither side of the entrance which is you know probably a good idea all the time but especially now and the next thing is that you know one of the things that Apple stores do for the Apple watch that that's that's big is um you can walk in and try on an Apple watch and try different bands and everything there's there's a watches under the glass but you can see every configuration but there's also watches you can try on and retail stores have been instructed to only offer that experience if a customer exclusively requests it and whereas before it was encouraged like do you want to try this watch on you know it's just like man that's this the smallest things you wouldn't think about or affected by the situation so something um the that's totally wild and I haven't done any of those experiences in a long time because I'm on my third Apple watch now and I'm presuming we'll talk about this in a minute but yes I I kind of know basically what I want well I know what I can afford and I know what I want but one way or another it I should at some point once this all is done I would say blows over but I don't think it's gonna blow over but one right done I should go in and try that experience again I went with a couple of friends when the Apple watch was brand new and did that and it was extremely informative and and yes you know put me right over the edge in the in the good sense and told me oh yeah you want one of the easily this is very cool and so I am glad that it's still a thing and I'm also glad that they've put a pause on it that's right it's the small things like Starbucks having their program where you bring your own cup and and they put your coffee in Italy had to pause that as well and it's just the smallest interaction like that you wouldn't you wouldn't automatically assume others are going to be affected but just as a precaution they are so Mick sense is smart yep and I used the watch Tryon thing you know I've had each Apple watch it helps to be someone who ever used them for ninety five max to justify that otherwise it probably hold on to him for longer but I this year I finally bought this white ceramic model after going to W to be seen in 2018 and we did this WWDC run that was like part of the conference with some Nike Run Club folks and oh yeah J Blanc and it running and there were so many white ceramic watches at the time this is before the series 5 and I was like I've always been on the fence my wife had one before but I didn't I was you know when like the black stainless steel horsing still and it's like all these all these people have them and now I've got FOMO you know I want it and then there wasn't one for series 4 so right so I just had to do it for series 5 but I also wanted to see the new titanium finishes there's just two and it was neat to get to go into a store and try this on get like experience without you know buying three watches right no I I've always loved the look and not the gold one the original edition like ya never did anything for me but the the the white ones the ceramic ones and the titanium ones all look extremely nice I've only ever had aluminum ones my watch history and brief is I had the the dark what's the efficiently important and remember now but the sixth grade the space great thank you the Space Gray series zero as it's been retconned and then I held off and sold the series three which was the first one was cellular that was three right that's right okay and so I had a series three cellular and at that point I went to the traditional aluminum not the dark even though I think individually like just as a piece I think I like the Space Gray look a lot more but what I found was I did get just a handful of bands that I wanted to be able to switch between I'm talking like three or four not like 15 or anything right and with the Space Gray in my opinion makes that harder not to say it doesn't work but it just makes it harder and so I went with the you know traditional sport aluminum series three with cellular and around this time was when I was starting to get into running which I think we'll be talking about as well in this area and so I wanted the cellular from when I run and and when I went to get the series five you know the always-on display had been a couple years it was time etc I decided to go with the sport aluminum as well I haven't yet bought a Nike one I wonder if I'll try that next but either way I have now the small guy that was a very traumatic change for me yeah was it 42 millimeter which used to be the big guy in the series three era and I believe series no series four was when it switched is that right that's right yeah so I was the big guy in Series three and then by the time I got to series five I have a TBD wrists the the 44 like I could do it but it would be almost ostentatiously big you know what I mean so I went down to the forty which early on led me to some very deep and dark battery problems but thankfully they have been mostly resolved at this point and I can make it through a day with one Ron or with exercise relatively easily now that's right this is the first year since the first generation watch where I've not published a single review of series 5 and that's I've got a lot of stories on like my experience with series 5 which is like a review and its own but it began with I waited a few weeks to get ceramic because it was not in stores and I had my boss Seth weintraub in New York buy one at Fifth Avenue in like a big long line email me so that was neat I can never get rid of thing now but then like the first experience with it was this thing is dying like I'm not doing anything wasn't is dying and I went through a lot of troubleshooting steps and talked to the Apple and everything and eventually it was a future software update and it was a beta at the time but that just resolved the issue and and it was like about 50% of people a serious five had the problem and 50% didn't you know I'm so glad that that was over but it did mess up my cadence with reviewing the watch within a few weeks of it coming out if not before so yeah i'm i've always been 42 then I went to 44 I've had 40 when the series four came out there was a period where I had the series three early so I got that from Apple to review under embargo I did not get it with series 4 so I ended up buying a 40 because it was in stores and they were hard to get and then exchanged it for the 44 when it was available and I love that my 9 if I'm back happy our co-host Benjamin Mayo is much taller than I am I'm like five nine and he is taller than that but he's very like skinny lanky and so he's also a 40-person like his wrist is just the 44 would look comical he was a 38 person before that so I totally get that and you're right I was going to ask the first question of my notes is your history owning Apple watches I think we've tackled that now that's pretty well covered and I've always I feel like I've always loved the Apple watch in typical Casey fashion I was pooh-poohing it before it came out and then once I had when I decided it was the best thing that ever happened to me which is which is very much my mo but I've always really liked the Apple watch and I did wear watches as a kid and then I wore watches on and off as an adult and typically like I think my my prior watch prior to getting an Apple watch was it's a Timex weekender it's the Timex that everyone has because it's beautiful like as a reasonably affordable watch I think it's the the typography is good it's very simple very clean it's a very pretty watch and it works and so that's what I was using part of the Apple watch and then I ended up I was speaking at a Coco calm up in DC when the pre-orders for the series zero happened and up until the morning well I had set my alarm to wake up early enough to do the pre-order so I guess I already knew deep down I was gonna buy but I figured well let me just wake up and see how I feel and the next thing I knew it was 10 minutes later and I dropped like almost a thousand dollars I'm watches for both my wife and me yeah and Erin had exactly asked for one so I wasn't sure how that was going to go over because she's the the more thrifty Lauren reader depending on how you want to phrase it have the two of us she's better with money in other words instead I have at home and so she ended up getting the series zero and I she was resistant to it at first but I think at this point especially now that she's mom I think that she really likes it as well I think she could take it or leave it far more than me but I feel just straight-up naked without my nan and I really love this thing and even though I found I don't use it for all that much on paper you know not calling a lift via my Apple watch right at that but the things I use it for I feel like are critical in integral parts of my world that I would really not want to give up including but not limited to running with it that's right yeah I think we're in a phase where we're going from where the initial watchkit app should have never even been allowed but because you know companies like even Instagram for example made those then they weren't great they didn't get good customer experiences and then they abandoned them and literally pulled them when when they were required to take their watch app store for at least watch I was too and later or they'd be a lot better and and and so we're in this like in-between phase where watch apps are getting much better more capable but there's hesitancy to to try something new again over and over until there's one thing that's been this is this is the way that we do watch apps forever over the foreseeable future so I am in that boat to wear apps for me apps could be a big deal that there are a few apps that are very useful and they make up the expense of the watch but it's not the main thing like on the iPhone where you've got you know folders and folders full of apps so and yourself using a lot the in terms of apps on the Apple watch maybe one or two of them that you think are fairly critical to your world yeah one thing has been a calorie tracking app called calorie see a lor Y and I used my Fitness Pal for the longest time and they're in that category oh we have an up watch out but is terrible and functional and calorie is new to the scene and they built a food tracking app that is like if Apple built one it's got the standard you know iOS 13 and beyond look - it supports dark mode doesn't have ads everywhere isn't bought by Under Armor so like all that hasn't had a history of being hacked and passwords being leaked and so I love the app calorie and it's like it's in the 1.8 phase where it's like on 1.6 beta right now and so it still early days where they're adding features from My Fitness Pal but they're getting there fast and it's got a really good watch app where if you're just tracking calories and not all the other nutrient information then it's really easy to input it on their watch app to have it as a complication where your goal is you know you want say 1,800 calories a day she doesn't calories today and it doesn't have to just be the number that you've had it can be a percentage so you've got a better idea of like Oh a thousand calories that's a lot um but it's really just 50% every day you got that much more for the next two mil or something you know so I like that a lot um I and and it's not that third-party apps are bad that they're getting better like for example I use things as my task manager and for the longest time if you used more than one Apple watch things wouldn't work for you because it would sync with the iPhone and if you had two watches it would break the method and they just put out an update this week where things for the watch is now a client on its own just like things for the iPhone and iPad and Mac and so it talks to the things cloud and so if you do sleep tracking you can so use things now and they've got a really cool complication that I like which is like it's almost like an activity ring but for your task where mm-hmm and you can complete your things task list for today and it's like a compliment I like that a lot and you know if apps that would that integrate with Siri is very useful because that's a big part of the Apple watch for me too is that you've got the a player if you need to go that way but also if it can work with Siri then Sirian put is I mean values out all the time for things like controlling home ket and setting timers and you know starting a phone call having a workout even sometimes so if I can work with Syria it is awesome and both calorie and things work with Siri so it's very useful oh that's awesome yeah I haven't really done much with Siri support for third-party apps you know timers homekit absolutely dictating messages absolutely but it's very rare that I do anything with third-party apps other than I guess Spotify actually now that Spotify has Siri integration that that has been extremely nice but I haven't done much on any any of my devices with Siri and third-party apps I probably should try to explore that a little more yeah and just look at my watch my watch like honeycomb grid there's a few more that I just really rely on it and would not want to lose one it's called home cam by Aaron Pierce and you can it's for home kit cameras and you can have them in Apple's home app but it only shows your favorite accessories so if you got to have those cameras on page one of your home app and it's very slow like it's not great home cam is just the home kit video cameras and it's so neat to be like on cellular without your iPhone and be able to look at home cam and see you know what's going on at home I've got cameras in the front and back yards so like we know there's something happening there and it just feels like that's that's you know a whole thing the other one is I use voice memos which is new and watch OS 6 I want to say which syncs to the iPhone and your iPad and your Mac and I do a lot with voice memos where I'm creating a note for myself I've recorded a concert with voice memos and like edit it from the Apple watch and then edited on the Mac but like some audio software did that actually sound any good yeah I was so surprising I was just doing it as an expert and I was pretty close in them on the floor to look at the performance and I ran it and forgot about it and it was like two hours of recording and I got back to the hotel I was at and I was like oh let me stop the recording and I then it was just automatically on my Mac from my cloud syncing and so I moved the audio file to logic and I broke down the track of the recording by track so it's like these are the songs and exported them and ran them through just some software that I use for audio editing like um I've got a phonic leveler and iZotope rx-7 audio editor and then I used Marcos at forecast like label them and everything in ACOTA Mo's mp3 and I have them in Apple music is like uploaded songs in it I listen it's good enough that I listen to them regularly as like because part of it was an acoustic medley that you'll never get except on YouTube and it's good enough you can tell it's a live recording but the fact that it's an Apple watch I'm not sure that it was any different than holding my phone up in the air the whole night which I wouldn't want to do it was it was nice to not even take like video it's just I'm here for the concert and I'm capturing the memory of it you know and that's an incredible idea that I never would have had and as someone who has listened to many many hours of what is recorded Dave Matthews Band I am not too snooty about the sound quality of a concert where I know that it was not professionally recorded said so that's incredible I can't believe how well that worked what's like your series 5 or a different one at the time the series 4 okay yep 5 wasn't quite out yet so so that it was over the summer so that was awesome and I I mean once a month at listen to that it's like the ultimate bootleg and then also and I use that to record if I want to make a note to myself but my hands are busy I can just tap voice memos and then do recording also as a parent so I've got a 7 year old daughter named Emily and a 2 year old son named Rory and I love just I had the idea one day I was playing with Rory and you know I don't want to have my phone out and in the middle of that so I launched voice memos and I just started recording and like half an hour later I wasn't even thinking about the recording it was just I was playing together and him talking to me is like a 1 year old at the time and now those memories like man they are powerful yeah absolutely yeah Mike my grandma used to record me and my brother talking on road trips and like a with like a cassette recorder and she's got it's awesome she got those tapes and she's so proud of it I'm like hey grandma let me show you what I've got right like hours of Ric wit like for my daughter um for Christmas I asked her we were in the car and I launched voice memos on the watch and I was like what do you offer Christmas this year I've got that conversation recorded and even with my grandma like I will have conversations about you know just life experiences and I'll just she won't even know I was lunch placement was on the watch and let it go and then to me those are like timeless memories that having a phone out in the middle would be too invasive having a video recording would be like way too invasive but with the watch they don't even realize most of time and I often lose track of the time when I'm recording us like I go back on my that's so neat though and then the last thing is um is drafts for input so sometimes I do music as like a side project that I haven't never shared before but I will have like a medley in my head that I want to get down if it's like lyrics 10th only used drafts sometimes if there's like a pattern to it or rhythm to it that I want to capture - I'll do voice Minh was instead but those things are things that I would never pull out the iPhone for and I just wouldn't do but with the watch with those apps I find myself you know getting value out of that yeah that's incredible I'm looking through my I don't do the honeycomb I do the alphabetical list yeah I'm looking through my list there's very very little that's third-party and you know other than the things you've called out there's a forthcoming app from our mutual friend underscore David Smith and I'm sorry I am not allowed to talk about mind blowing and so that is on the list of things that that I think are essential for my watch and you're gonna be talking to him is that right David will be on watch time April 8th so it's like let us add a under a month away that's right and so that that app I don't want to name it but that app is is incredible and both both you and I have been beating it and it's it's it's really unbelievable what he's done I can't say enough good things about it another example is and this is very much like a first-world problem and a very unique thing to me but it's an example of where you can really do the Apple watch right so my wife drives a relatively modern Volvo SUV and they have a very good and very impressive I owe s app where you can lock the car remotely you can even start the car remotely you know from anywhere and know you can check the fuel level and do a few other things but the tough thing about the the iOS app is that anytime you do anything you have to re-authenticate right like oh yeah okay before you unlock you have to authenticate before you lock well maybe not lock but you get my point I certainly have to authenticate before you start the car so for me if I'm like walking with the kids out to Aaron's car and especially you know if I've got my hands full or something you know I have to take out my phone I have to unlock my phone which isn't in and of itself egregious but I have to unlock the phone then I need to find the app then I need to go in the app then I need to authenticate well I need to do a swipe to say start the car you know if it's the middle of the winter or whatever then I need to authenticate again with my face in order to let it know that it really is me trying to start her car and it's this multi Multi multi step process whereas on the watch because I've already authenticated against the watch and it's and it's been on my body since I authenticated it assumes and I think rightly so that it's me and so I have to do is start the watch app swipe over and hit start it's done in Missouri and it's it's stuff like that that yeah it's simple and silly and kind of dumb but it makes a tremendous difference that is something where the iPhone experience wants to be convenient first is doing it manually yourself but there's so many tiny cuts in the way that make it harder than it needs to be and the watch can assume a level of security that the iPhone cannot and so it makes it like actually the goal of what it was trying to do in the first place yep exactly right and it works so well and the other thing I wanted to call out is overcast for when I run so when I run I bring only my watch and my air pods I don't bring my phone I used to early on before I had a cellular watch and you know my fear is that even though I'm not like this huge distance runner I'm only running about a 5k when I run and I'm only doing it in our neighborhood but nevertheless I could be on the other side of the neighborhood and break an ankle or something and then so I do like crawl home and so that's most of the reason why I've bought a cellular watch occasionally I'll go out without my phone but that's exceedingly rare generally speaking I want the cellular watch for oh crap while I'm running or doing some other kind of exercise and say generally speaking when I run I will listen to podcasts I know some people prefer music obviously whatever works for you for me I'm okay with podcast and keeps my mind busy and keeps me entertained and keeps the me from feeling every inch of every mile I'm running and overcast watch app it is it is not absolutely perfect but it's pretty darn close and it works really really well and just being able to run with only the thing that was already on my body and the lightest headphones in the world you know I'm sure the earpods Pro or even lighter but for me I just have regular ear pods you know in in arguably the situational awareness of that might even be better for all I know but be that as it may you know having just these air pods in the watch and yet still knowing that I can call Erin or 911 or what have you if something really honestly goes wrong it's such a freeing feeling like again okay oh it's so terrible you would have to carry your phone with your baby yes of course this is like the first world use personal problem but this is why Apple makes nice stuff so you can get it it makes your world nicer and so when I go for these runs which I go in phases where I you know do more like lifting and then I'll do more running and it depends on you know what parts of my body are hurting that particular day because I'm getting older every day but anyway I've been running a lot in the last couple weeks actually in no small part also because the weather is starting to turn for the better and doing that with just overcast on the watch and just my ear pods is so magnificent and being able to get back to my my house and have my run actually you know GPS tagged in the in the activity app or whatever it is on the onion on the iPhone so I can see exactly where I ran and where my pace was good and where it wasn't not that I do that kind of analysis much and I'm gonna shush and let you tell me about what you do for your runs cuz I think you take it more seriously than me but it is still nice to see you know where I ran especially if I do it like dub dub for example you had talked about doing the official Nike run but a friend of mine maybe ours herbert organizes a WDC run where we just run in the Guadalupe River Trail I think it's called and it's cool to be able to see that run and see like the exact route that we took in stuff like that so and I've been on a couple of runs in Austin with previously mentioned David Smith went over for Mike's bachelor party and I can go back to that one and see the exact route that we ran and stuff like that is so nice and to be able to do it with just your watch is so magnificent but with all that said how do you you've been into running for a while what do you what do you do what should I be doing I feel like I should ask the expert here this week 9:00 to 5:00 MEK watch time is sponsored by flick type keyboard the easiest way to type directly from your Apple watch it's no secret the Apple watch is a great way to receive messages and stay connected but the biggest challenge is responding to those messages features like scribble invoice ocation are great in some situations but more often than not they're inaccurate and slow or just not possible to use that's what a flip type keyboard comes in with a flip type you can quickly compose messages on your Apple watch using a real keyboard flick type keyboard works just as you would expect you can double tap the spacebar to insert a period just like on the iPhone use a digital crown for alternative word suggestions emoji and punctuation and flip type is also insanely accurate thanks to a sophisticated correction algorithm due to limitations in watch os what the keyboard works best with a messages app but it's 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so I could go out for around the neighborhood you know sync music - its ink podcast to it or not I'm against know podcast yet but music at least and run with my ear pods the Apple watch and there was late in the pregnancy was like she she could she can have a baby in time now right and so I had to run with my iPhone again and just in case we called because I didn't want to be you know fifth twenty minutes away and and she's like I need a gospel now so there was a period where I had to force myself to use the phone again and it's just a big difference because anything you can let go of like you don't want to run with small things your your wallet your car keys your your phone and phones keep getting bigger you know and you know to me like the if I can if I could just run with nothing that'd be ideal but the watch is the closest thing to that and it's so functional now because you know the time I had to do the phone to have phone calls and then a few months later you could do the do the watches just Schuyler and so I've always had cellular since then and you know I'm like you were I don't use it on a daily basis and I regard really pay the you know nearly fifteen dollars a month for the access which is insane this is it should be better integrate with this your phone bill but but I fear you know sometimes when I've got battery should I think maybe I'll just turn off cellular and I'll just turn it on when I need it but the the fact is for me I think is that what I need it is not when I'm able to do it you know right forget hit by a car I'm not gonna think okay now let me turn instead learned calling one now it's gonna be like I'm being conscious and that's a lot of the stories that we see too so so series three and Beyond have changed that for me it's it's so nice something that I've also experienced is that older people so I'm 29 28 30 in October and so I'm still in the 25 to 29 age of group when I do races and I'm happy about that because when I go to races older people whether it's 30 and 32 34 or 35 to 39 and Beyond they they seem to run faster the older they get I think it's just that they've had more time to like a lifetime of running and so the more dedicated by the year you know yeah so a little it wasn't run faster than me from what I've seen there is an app called tempo that I love is from an in develop indie developer named Rahul Mata and he does this full time now and what it is is it's it's like the activity app with run tracking but it's just four run tracking and not all the other workouts too so if you jus look if you do a mix of workouts then you can you can narrow it down and filter it in the activity app but but tempo for as a running log this just about running and so for me what I was always interested in I would use a night here on Club for the longest time and then it just got to be very unreliable so I wanted a replacement and also the Apple work I'd have kept getting better with things like cadence and pace alert and this look things like that and the workout screen or the music screen or audio playback screen in the app so I wanted the examples built-in workout app tempo will give you like heat bubbles for the intensity of your run if you're interested in like you know how you've been doing performance wise it will track your miles and it's got a widget in like a 3d touch but uh I can you know window for this where you can see how many miles I ran this week this month this year and if you have the app and tilt it into landscape orientation it'll show you how many miles you've ever ran with weather the best healthcare you know basically and you know something I love because this is you know a two-mile run can feel like nothing but if you do that you know every few days it adds up and so that that number in the end is what motivates me a lot and then there's also if you can you can pay to unlock more features and things like ten dollars a year or so just to support the app and and so I love tempo so check that out if you haven't yet and then the question is you mentioned stellar I mentioned cellular are you also that you pay for cellular you know painfully but that it does yes but you not yeah I don't think it should necessarily be free I'd like it to be free but you know I don't think it's necessarily fair to our carriers that it should be free but I remember when the Cellular watch was first announced and Apple said it's ten bucks a month and I was like okay you know that's I I think five would be better but I'll take ten yeah and then I'm on AT&T and I got my first 18t bill with the cellular Apple watch it took me to it was and it was like 14 80 or something like that and I went on like a multi-week 1080p because I was so grumbly and it's not I mean it's not really Apple's fault but other carriers like I'd heard rumblings at the time that t-mobile was just eating the fees right so it was actually $10 and it and I think some of these same fees I think a lot of them are probably just 18 t being 18 t but some of them are kind of federally mandated taxes and things like that and that could be eaten by 18 T to make it nice and convenient in ten bucks but oh no no no no that's for you and me to eat instead and I do feel like 15 is like right on the edge between worth it and not and I i am frugal enough that if it was like 20 bucks a month i think i would just wear a fanny pack or whatever yeah bum bag if you're British and Hindu just carry it with carry the phone with me although that being said I've Drive dropped and broken two phones in my life and the first one was an iPhone Seba leave it was that I was putting in the aforementioned fanny pack and missed and dropped it right on the pavement like I was completely my fault but I thought I was you know within a little pocket of the fanny pack and it turns out I was just dropping it into thin air and it dropped right on the hill and you know they've got pretty well damaged and then you had made allusions to this earlier but I had I was cleaning Aaron's car after we went it was like parked in a field for uninteresting reasons and I was cleaning it and I was trying to listen to something my ear pods weren't connecting to anything for some silly reason it was relays it was relays podcast Athan to raise money for st. Jude and I just got in my iphone 11pro earlier that day and I was watching the card I needed it near me my ear pods weren't working and I was running out of daylight and so I just put it in my back pocket on my shorts and Aaron's car's an SUV and normally I would bust out a ladder to get the roof but I was in a rush and so I jumped and there the iPhone 11 went shattering ah no no pavement so I lived with that for a few months until I've recently got it repaired but I had had a flawless iPhone 11 for approximately eight hours my first iPhone crack it was the the screen itself to the front of it and it was after I took Rory out on a jog with the jogging stroller and I got back and I you know got Rory out and got him situated and I went to fold with a jogging stroller and it had a little compartment where you can put things in it's not that sealed it's just a little clip and so I folded the jogging stroller and in the phone flow out and just smashed the ground so actually half expected you to say that the stroller like collapsed on top of the phone in somewhere and then it all got destroyed but that would almost be like it's better this way yeah so it's just thoughtless so and I wasn't using a case at all at the time and since at that time I decided with one kid I could go with no case with two kids it was too much like mental load and so there was just one thing to not worry about was to put a case on the phone for most of the time so that changed the game for me I'm curious um so you do run you talk about it sometimes on ATP which I love that discussion I love I love what a tech podcast can take this other direction because I do listen to some writing podcasts to like runners world used to have a good podcast that ended but then there's some also some independent runners that the do podcast and I just enjoy it because it's like fresh air compared to a tech podcast but I also love when a tech podcast can pivot and talk about something like you know cars or food or you know you with running and you know it's something that's really like you may not assume that you know Jason you know Jason Snell runs but I believe he does yeah and and the same for Gruber sometimes the he talks about it sometimes and so this is really interested in hearing about you know how you mentioned running on the podcast and wear something that is not like I'm just gonna try this but that you you seem to do it with some frequency so what's your history of running I guess before the Apple watch 2 what got you interested in it and then how you know what is the watch sort of do for you that that without it you wouldn't get to experience yeah it's a good question so I am horribly nerdy and unathletic I'm the stereotypical you know well less lanky than I used to be speaking in tall and lanky and I had never been particularly particular sports or anything like that and I'm almost 38 I'll be 38 in just a week or two and I don't know it was a couple of years ago maybe three or four years ago some somewhere between two and four years ago you know at this point we had our son and it occurred to me that me being sedentary for my entire life is probably not advisable and I at the time I wasn't particularly interested in like lifting and certainly not getting a membership to a gym not to say that that's not a good thing it's just it's not my speed right and I was trying to figure out something that I could do that would be you know something I could do by myself that I didn't need a lot of equipment for and that I would be entertained enough to do it regularly and so what I ended up doing was I downloaded a couch to 5k app for my phone and I mean this was either before the now it must have been after the series zero but before the series three but I did a couch to 5k app and I was looking up which one it was I don't think it's available anymore so I can't even suggest a particular one it was one the day that Jason Snell had suggested action ok and basically if you aren't familiar because I wasn't the way a couch to fight or the way this couch to 5k I presume it's similar for all of them I worked was you would like jog for literally 15 30 seconds and then walk for 30 seconds and you would only do this for the span of like a quarter mile or half a mile or something like that again I don't remember the details but you get the idea but over time and not only would you be increasing your cumulative distance you know so you would the first run was half a mile second run is maybe three quarters and third run is you know a whole mile or something like that but you'll also be decreasing the amount of walking and increasing the amount of running and the way this particular app worked was it would say to you in your headphones you know okay start with jogging and jog for 30 seconds then toward the end you go five four three two one okay now walk and I don't know maybe I'm just the personality type that was well what to enjoy that sort of thing but having somebody tell me okay now it's time to jog now it's time to walk et cetera it worked out real well and I remember hey I did like the first 30 second jog of the very first couch to 5k run and I was like aw man I'm killing this I'm gonna be running a 5k in a day and then within like two days it had already started to really ramp up the jogging past just 30 seconds and I was like I need help and by the end of it I mean I couldn't I could run a 5k and there was a mostly for the winner actually I barely ever ran I'm in in Richmond Virginia and we have very gentle winners but they're so cold you know it's not a terribly enjoyable thing to go running in 30 or 40 degree weather and I've done it many many many times but I don't particularly enjoy it and so I lately I have been doing a little bit more weightlifting which we can explore if you're interested but suffice to say I hadn't run for a long time and I've also had a my right achilles kind of I've been told I have a bone spur there and so I guess that's the problem but every once in a while like my right Achilles acts up and I know okay I got a pause on the running for a while and so I had a run for like I don't know two or three four months and you know over the last couple weeks like I said earlier the weather has really turned for the better and so I went I did I think a good 2k run which is you know like two ish miles something like that and then within a couple of days I had done another 5k and so it was just two or three years ago that I didn't have the stamina to do a three and my 5k you know five thousand kilometers is what 3.1 miles something like that and that's right and so you know three or four years ago whatever it was I couldn't do that without basically Keeling over dead and now I hadn't done it in three or four months and I was able to unnamed my pace wasn't particularly spectacular but I was able to do it and what I like about running and any presume any sort of athleticism is that it doesn't just fade away instantly like if I never run for a year I'm sure I would be in a bad spot but I didn't run for three or four months and I was fine and it worked out just fine and so now I'm just starting to get to the point where I'm alternate or maybe not alternating but you know doing a little bit of running each week and a little bit of lifting and I think that that's the kind of scheme I'm gonna go with from now on and it's also much easier now because I work for myself I work from home and that frees up time it makes it so much more enjoyable to do because when I still had a traditional job II job I would be waking up at like 5:00 in the morning and I I'm a morning person but you I define morning is like 6:00 on and so waking up at like 5:00 in the morning in order to go out in the dark often times in the cold and run three miles like it was not fun and I did it and I was glad when I did it but it was not fun but now you know I can go in the afternoons and I don't really have anyone to answer to but me and the family and that makes it much easier and much nicer and I'm very lucky to have that luxury yeah for me running is it totally began with the Apple watch but not this the first one the first one like ten months into owning it I had already bought and hoped occult but it was I wasn't using it it's like aspirational and there's like just one one day and March I was like I'm gonna use the elliptical and just see I got as an Apple watch reviewer what do what does it do you know as a for fitness and so that was the idea was just test this for work and that's my excuse and I could even do it during work hours I'm like keep an eye on like TweetDeck and things you know that was that flexibility was very good then when my son worry was on the way my home office was going to become his room and I needed to get rid of the elliptical I was worried though about closing ring still activity rings and so I took a month where I just ran every day which really isn't advisable but especially to close a 30 minute ring it's about you know around a 5k today and it's just you know you gotta burn out on that get hurt but I just told myself if I can do this every day then I will sell the elliptical and then you know that then my office is his room and we eventually moved for I had an office again at home but that's where it started and it was because of this the series to which added GPS then then I thought well I can run with the phone let me try this aspect of the watch the Apple was you know that's when they started doing the Nike+ watch as well and so they were really pushing Nike ranked Club it's like more for runners than even the workout app before the workout kind of exceeded what I what the my Kiran Club app can do and so I was really into that community to where every Sunday I'd run run a 5k at least even when I was in elliptical and it just kind of kicked on and and my aunt in Miami asked me would you ever want to have you ever thought about doing any races like a 5k race and I was like no way I'm not at that level you know thinking that the people that go to those races are at some you know Olympic level and I was just casual but she invited me to a 5k like fundraiser for the school district in Miami and I went to it and I had ran I was running 5k so home already and I had ran the fastest 5k as a personal record and at the time I had lost a lot of weight I went from like 210 to 140 130 holy smokes yeah and it was just from dieting an elliptical mostly and and it was much easier that's what I ran to learn to run with the way already lost I eventually gained back a lot of it after my son was born it like yeah that's right and and I learned that it's much harder to run when I came back the way I've got to slow things down but that I think it was like in the 24 minute range for that oh my okay yeah and now it's like really tough to be thirty minutes but it was what I realized in that environment was that when you're in an environment where people around your office earning there's like momentum like you're in a river like a stream and it was just a new level of motivation where you know everyone wasn't using an Apple watch at the time but we were all doing the same thing and there was just a push that I just felt that I wouldn't feel just running on my own and so then I got addicted to running races like no matter how small the races you know even if you've got to pay like 30 bucks to enter it and you know if there's no metal no t-shirt it doesn't matter I just I love running in groups of people like that right and then I tried um a 10k back home and this is when I was still in like like like optimal weight and I was like I just want to be one hour and you know that's kind of the goal here is to run in one hour or less and it was like 52 minutes and Wow and so that included a new personal record for the 5k distance within that and I was so happy this is awesome you know I got hooked to it now like a like an hour and 20 minutes or so for me but I'm trying to get back to the back to that and but I went from the 10k distance to um just just as a assignment for a half marathon distance race and it was just because it was so far out it was after the 10k I thought well if I can do a 10k I can do a half marathon and I'll go from there and then in the next like six months I gained the weight back and every I was like 180 then and I was like well I paid for this I said enough for let me just go you know run it and there's no goal but to finish you know yeah and I did and um it was like two and a half hours you know so and then I eventually got up to two hours and ten minutes after a few I've since ran six half marathons and I've got the next one is is in April at Disney World if it doesn't get canceled no good coronavirus yeah um I won't I won't not be relieved if it does though because my training isn't going as planned but also I've got this stretch goal this year to run my first marathon that just no matter what the time is just to say I've done it because it's so funny like people will say marathon when it's been half marathon I just want to be able to say yeah right a marathon um I totally hear you I've never done any sort of you know 5k or half marathon or 10k or anything like that there's a very popular and very big 10k in downtown Richmond where I live and I've heard it's phenomenally phenomenally fun and I'd like to do that at some point Aaron actually my wife just last month was at Disney for the princess 5k and there's a half down there that was the first time that she had done any sort of organised run like that and she really enjoyed it the downside of this is you either know or will know is that to in order to run through the parks that means you need to be out of the parks by the time they open and says she flew down on a Thursday afternoon or morning or something like that and she woke up it's something like 2:30 the next morning in order to get on a bus by like 3:30 in order to be there by 4:30 be in order to start the race by 5:30 and be done by you know 6:00 or 6:30 whatever it is and she crushed it like she hadn't run really barely any in months of months months months and dropped like a 27 and a half minute 5k which I'm nice exceedingly angry about because I'm like dying to get below 30 like I can do it in fact I just did it yesterday for the first time in forever but I am hooked at the end of it and she just casually drops like this 27 and a half minute marathon or a half 5k or whatever yeah nothing god I'm still bitter about it but anyways but I'd like to at some point do it even if it's not a 10k or halfway I I would love to be able to do that but I'm scared of them but you know I would love to do like a Disney 5k or something cuz I feel like that's a reasonably easy way to kind of like ease into the idea of group racing and easy it's really for me or not yeah Disney I did did a Disney half marathon in December November last year wasn't one of them but it and it was the same way it was on a Sunday on Saturday I went to the park yep yep yep and I was like I'm just gonna snack those a little bit and so I did and it regretted that because the next day it was all digesting and I was just like oh no it's is the worst experience of my life and in the same thing where I didn't really look at the time of the race like I knew it was in the morning but I did look it like when you need to be on a bus by and just saw a sign while I was like you know going on the park and it was like you know beyond the most of 3:30 and I was an hour and I was staying at our about 45 minutes from Disney family and so and the time changed that I think it was in the time change so it's really that's just a recipe for disaster yeah so it wasn't even sure like how to set my alarm because I needed to be up around like 1 or 2 and the time changes it to oh no think about that it was really complicated but I made it um and then I went home and like crashed so hard but that was the slowest 5k half marathon my wife and what was cool but the Disney environment is that there were people who there was a Facebook group for one for just like interacting with people who were going to be there and give tips and as your experiences but there are people who just you know they think they were done after the first mile and it was just you know didn't there wasn't their day to finish but it was just that level of runner from super fast to might not even finish and that was just really cool there were lot of people that were just walking and people would stop and take pictures with characters I open saw one family go through the Tower of Terror because the park had opened by then and they had time to just hop in line go down in the design at ten minutes like they were not running for their speed no sir but there were people who like stopped and had pictures taken with characters and a line that finished before me because I was doing some walking to but Disney was it was a very friendly environment welcoming environment with just all levels of experience so very welcoming environment yeah I want to do it at some point and our entire family so we my eldest kid is five now and he turned five as we were at Disney World like that was his present from us yeah you had to take the family to Disney World and that was in this past October and we all four of us I mean well my youngest kid is she's just freshly - she doesn't really know what she's doing at this point yes she she still seems to smile whenever we bring up Disney and so and you know Aaron and I honeymoon to Disney we did her 30th at Disney so we are very big Disney fans and I would love once the kids are older to get them to participate in the 5k because it's to the best of my knowledge I think you were saying this a second ago like once they're of a certain age they could do the 5k if they wanted to oh my gosh yes yeah I've been I was just my mom lives in Prattville Alabama and there's got a very beautiful old downtown on a creek and I was running from her house to a mile and a half away and then back for just to get a 5k in for the day and I ran into a running group and they were like little girls and boys that were probably like 7 and 6 or 7 and they were running so fast it's so much faster than me and that was a day where I was like okay I in the races that I've done it's like the kids and the older people that really motivate me to to do better but it's like they are dead you know and I'm just as able as them there's no reason I can't do this said that's always like they you know like the coach in the back of my mind is like a six year old girl going like you can do it I'm doing this and my daughter she's done some races some some one mile races and she's and I'll do them with her and and it's it's fun and them now her new thing is that every morning when she goes to the bus it's like um maybe like ten houses down from our house that stops on with the bus stops and she no matter what what time it is she's leaving she assumes she's late and she just runs as fast as possible to that bus stop so that's her that's her experience so far so that's awesome I do want to mention Oh an app that my wife is using now before we head off called footpath and she's training for her second half marathon she ran the FIR maybe third now I don't want together yeah third and she's gonna go to the Disney one with me it'll be my seventh and she's doing a thing where I populated our family calendar with just our running schedule that she's sticking to way better than I am but it's it's it's like gradually getting longer instead of like thirty miles go ahead to see like six miles and nine mile runs and social what she likes to do is to map out a route of where she wants to run to get to that distance and back and it's getting trickier and trickier and so she had the idea of she was like there needs to be an app that you can just trace your finger on a map and then get the distance of the route and then have it synced to your watch and give you guided instructions when you're running without your phone and I was like yeah that's a really good idea I bet someone's thought of it a few times you should look it up and see like you need to pitch them on this and it turns out she did her research all on her own and she ended up using an app called footpath and footpath is an app that lets you do just that you run your finger along the map you get the distance when you let your finger off and then it syncs to your Apple watch and you get in your headphones turn-by-turn directions based on that around yeah and it's just like she had the idea from like a necessity and it existed the only thing it doesn't do is other apps like this like a like footpath will give you the distance as you trace your finger along so you know when to let go and this one doesn't and so I DMS like use my 95 Mac status to DM the developer and they capture request ya the feature question and they were very communicative and they were like we can probably do that we've seen other apps do it the way that we do it now is impossible because of how we calculate but we could do it and I was like great I'll feature the app when you do it well done yeah yeah so you know this make me quite happy but yeah so that's really fun and I love hearing about you know families getting all the running to you because for me I grew up with my grandparents mostly and so there wasn't a lot of athleticism and so it's just brand new to me in life and it's a lot of a lot of because of the Apple watch and for my kids it's normal now like they just just you know it's not you know let's take on this big task it's what you do and so it's so much fun and I love hearing about how you and your wife are running and and and maybe your kids will get into in the future too and if you're doing it then it's it's gonna be a lot easier for them to I had no idea to like track and field was a thing in school but maybe I would have been good at it I don't know yeah I hear ya and I I do kind of regret not being more involved with sports as a kid and it's not because my parents like didn't let me or anything like that but you know the stuff I tried you know I like I did a little bit of baseball I did a little bit of basketball and there was like a five-minute window when I was actually passively decent at basketball and so I kind of regret not trying you know track-and-field and I'm not sure I would have been particularly great at it but I kind of wish I did have that experience growing up and you know Declan my son is in school is in his last year preschool and he does like soccer after preschool program once a week where he plays soccer cool yeah it was instructed on how to play soccer to some degree you know as much as you can with a mixed group of like three to five year olds and he seems to really enjoy that and so I just want to make sure that we expose him to it and I think what you said is extremely important that you know it's it's a clear part of our routine both Aaron and me that we exercise every single day in their days we miss of course but for the most part I think it's fair to say that we exercise every day and I think it's really important to set that example for our kids just like you had said to show them that like if you want to be healthy this is one of the things you have to do and in the same way that you know I want to go to McDonald's for lunch every day and don't at me because I do think it's tasty I don't do that because not only is it you know did cost money but it's also not healthy you know to set these examples I think is very important and I'm not saying I'm doing a perfect job or anywhere near it but I do think I'm doing a better job than I was doing three or four years ago and I just sat around all day you know either either at work at a desk or at home on the couch or something like that that's right I mean this is getting better there's nothing like a good workout to UM negate your craving for McDonald's like exactly rice to go to agendas right by McDonald's and I would want it when I went in when I went out I was like no way I'm not in a worst-case scenario if you get it well you just ran so that's right that's right yep well I think we've met the goal of a half an hour discussion here yeah yeah I always say thirty minutes that you know just to set the bar low and then it ends up being about an hour so I really appreciate that Casey thank you for being here promote your app promote your your blog and your and your other podcast here I'm sure so to start with apps I have an app called vignette the idea for that is if you have a bunch of people in your iPhone's contact lists that are just you know the gray circles with initials if you plug in their social media information vignette will go and find their profile pictures and stuff them into your contact list so you know your messages lists for iMessage isn't a bunch of gray circles it's actually pictures which is very helpful that's free with a five dollar net purchase and then similarly a peak of you which came out just a month or so ago that was born actually from our trip to Disneyworld are then almost two year old refused to ride in a stroller and let me tell you exactly that is not fun at Disneyworld when you're almost two year old does not want to ride in a stroller I know I've been there so what we discovered was she really enjoyed looking at pictures but that's terrifying because I wasn't exactly backing them up nightly when I'm at Disney World and so a peak of you is basically read-only photo gallery so you can give it to a toddler to a client sometimes you can barely tell them apart I know how that is one way or another you can give your phone to somebody and if you lock them into that app with guided access then they can't leave it they can't do anything destructive you know your photos are safe and so that is also free with a five dollar net purchase my two podcasts which have both been mentioned the XML tech podcast at ATP fm with my dear friends Marco Arment John siracusa and then analog with Mike Hurley which is on relay FM where it's ostensibly about where your digital devices in in real world meet but it's kind of morphed into a human-interest show about just the two of us thank you very much it's not a great elevator pitch I will concede but it's I think it's a fun show and then finally my website is Casey luscom you can find me on Instagram Twitter etc Casey les CAS ey l ISS alright thank you so much Casey for joining me I really appreciate it and I and I do want to stay up-to-date on on your running activity and if you do an organized run one of the one of the things for me that's really motivational is when you get a medal and this happen with my wife I've got like a thing over here by him you know in my office where it's just slammed with medals from just it can be like a community 5k and you'll get a medal for it for just finishing and then it ranges from like Tim Cade a half marathon so far but my wife wanted the same thing so she started that was one of the things that motivated her to start running to is someone's medals too so so go for it and I hope that you sometime maybe this year you know sign up to do five because you'll be surprised about what you how you perform differently from running on your own to running in a race environment it's it's very motivational especially seeing the diversity of people that are there to you in the community so yeah I hear maybe we should set a date for our two families to do like princess 5k next year or something like that I am down I feel like I really I need any excuse to go to Disney World but this is very excuse of getting to hang out with you and your family and that's right and also go to Disney World so it's a win-win-win yeah this this time I'm planning on the races a Sunday instead of going to Disney on set on Saturday and but I've gotten mundane lessons learned they're awesome well thank you so much for joining me that is the watch time podcast for this week it will be back in two weeks well so I want to thank foot type one more time for sponsoring into five my watch time this week that's flu type keyboard used in the podcast show notes in your podcast player or uninvited matcom to support the show and download foot tight keyboard I had fun with this one because it's a it's a keyboard app that I hadn't tested before the sponsorship but I knew about it and I did have the beta version of it but I was surprised at how good it is for sending messages especially and if you can find it in other apps like chirp for Twitter it's really great so check it out if you're just curious about like what can the watch do what should maybe Apple do in a future version of the watch software check out flip type keyboard it's really remarkable it surprises you at how good of a keyboard it can be in such a small package youwelcome to nine-to-five back western podcast series exploring the world of Apple watch and how it impacts people's lives my next guest is Casey list developer of vignette and pico View for iPhone a co-host of Frehley FM's monthly analogue podcast with my curly as well as the accidental tech podcast with Marco Arment and John Syracuse Todd welcome to the show Casey how are you I am well how you doing not bad did I miss anything there no no I think you pretty much got it there's a lot of old and dead projects that about hey hey we don't need to bring up so I think I think you've got it yeah well first off I want apologize on the record for for the first time ever I slept in on a recording and I woke up and it was like time to take my daughter to school an hour ago and it was crazy so but but I will say I listen to analog on the way back from it from a drive home from Kennedy Space Center last weekend and it I felt relief and knowing that you've had this experience yourself not just a long time ago but like recently yeah so suffice to say it was the last recording of analog was like a Monday or two ago and I had left the house right as I was supposed to record it was on my calendar like it's entirely my fault I just completely blew it and I left the house as I was due to record and so my co-host Mike Hurley you know we're fine my friends friends yeah and so he was he tells me after the fact that he was watching me my little blue dot like drive away from my house going to like get my son's haircut which is something that we needed to get done but could have absolutely been done any other time that's right so as he we discussed on the show I went on like a three-day apology tour because I just completely blew him off and felt so terrible about it and then you know yesterday I was DMing you saying hey ma'am I figured that I was the one who had screwed up like maybe I'd recorded the wrong day or something like that and it turns out you overslept for actually a very interesting reason that's worth discussing but it was funny that within the span of like a week in a day it was quid-pro-quo and suddenly so the universe does balance out as yeah I felt like it was karmic justice in the best possible exactly exactly but you said to me privately before we recorded it was a very fascinating reason why you missed you boy you didn't wake up talked about that yes usually I sleep I've got both series 500 series for from a few years ago and so usually I sleep with the series 3 at night and I started using that for sleep tracking and then I have the alarm on that and I have it as silent so it doesn't disturb my life and that just the taps on the rest are enough to wake me up like more than a sound probably and then I was up pretty late the night before just working on some stories and things and I thought I need to wake up early tomorrow and get my daughter on the bus had been gone for about a week from home so it's like getting back my 13 and it so I had the alarm set for 6 a.m. for 5:30 and 6 a.m. and if I I'll use my iPhone because like that's gonna be louder and I've gotta turn it off to make it not not make noise and then that will be my alarm and I think what happened is I set it to a sound or a tone that wasn't downloaded locally to the iPhone that was like in the cloud but there was no UI to suggest that so technically I had it set to a silent tone which did nothing for me and so I woke up like well-rested and everything it was like 8:30 you know not 6:00 a.m. or 5:30 great sleep and so I was kind of disoriented though and so I said you know to the home pod Siri what time is it it just felt like I needed to know and it's like 8:30 you know it's like I wasn't got it my wife woke up to and she was off that day but like we hadn't gotten I drama on the school bus at 6:30 or you know to school by 7:00 when she's to be at school and so I had to got just really fast and um like I took her to school and they're like why should tardy I'm like mom and dad slept in you know and and I was like oh no and my wife Kelsey was like yeah Emily I was like no I had a podcast scheduled to record 30 minutes ago and I can't even do it like right now because I've got to take Emily to school so you were gracious enough and accepted my apology and I was having a really glad that you could record today so it's awesome yeah it all worked out I feel like you and I are both gonna be on a simultaneous apology tour for the so I have I have one idea I want to pitch to you and then we'll talk about some a small piece of news in the upper world there's a lot more going on but we won't get much into that and then we'll talk about your experience with the Apple watch it right in Casey if that's all right yeah that sounds great so the first thing I have is last week I drove from I live in Ocean Springs Mississippi which is like the Gulf Coast bye Biloxi and I drove over to Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Florida and my car was getting really dirty and I was doing the thing with the the sponge where you you know do your windshield kill the bugs off and I was thinking you know Casey you've got this history of making car videos on YouTube that's kind of on pause maybe forever but I was thinking I don't know how to wash my car on my own and I hear that you you know even if you sacrifice the back of an iPhone are there skilled and take pride in washing your car regularly so I would love a how to wash your car video because that's how I learn like how to grill burger had anything like that it's from YouTube so I don't know if you've got techniques I would love the KC technique yeah you know so here's the thing washing a car for those who are into this sort of thing it's like a religious discussion or a political discussion you know like oh you must use this soap oh you mustn't use that soap and you must do it in this order you must have to do it in that order etc etc and the I do kind of have a video about this in the sense that I have what does it call an Instagram account I'm such an old what on Instagram where you have like a highlighted series of stories as a highlight is that right yeah thinking of it I do yes if you go to my profile on Instagram and that's my name KC lists one of the highlights whatever they're called is carwash 101 and that is a series of like little Instagram stories so they did one morning probably six months or a year ago when I was in my car I have changed my technique ever so slightly since then if memory serves but the broad strokes of it are just fine and basically the way I've I have fallen upon for the last six ish months is I'll spray the whole car down I'll take a cleaner to the exhaust pipes and the wheels different cleaners why use bartenders friend I think it is something like that from exhaust pipes which is something you can use on the kitchen sinks and stuff like that and then I'll use I don't have it in front of me but I think it's a black wheel cleaner I have an Instagram story and I'll spray down the wheels and then I use mr. pink I believe is the name of it car wash and I'll use the two bucket system so one bucket is just for the sponge when it's clean the other bucket is to get the sponge you like rinsed off after you've touched it to the car oh you know basically spray the car juice with the hose go section by section top to bottom back to front and you know so you put suds all over it and then spray it down move to the next section side spray etc and then I just take like old beach towels which some people find blasphemous hell beach towels and just you know dry it off like that and call it a day and then I use some sort of tire foam I forget what it is - after the tires have mostly dried I'll spray that foam on the tires to shine them up there are some people that have very very strong thoughts about what tire stuff to use there's a black and shiny but the broad-strokes is clean the wheels clean the tailpipes clean the car that's basically it and it's really not difficult and you're unless you do something really and truly stupid you're not gonna hurt the car in a way that you'll be able to see it you know maybe there'll be some small imperfections that you know a complete nutjob good but for any normal human including me for that matter you'll never see any of the things that you would do if you follow that basic strategy and then you know I I have tips I could give you about claying your car which is a really odd thing that most people haven't heard of but you can actually take a clay bar to the exterior of your car and the first time I did this I was like I don't know and I and I try to do it once every year - with with our cars but basically you put a little like lubricant on the car it's like just a detailing spray and you take this piece of clay and you literally rub it against the car and you think to yourself that this has got to be insane you know I don't know if you were I don't know if you were of age that when we when the ear candling thing went around did you hear about this I was in high school yeah okay so yeah I've seen what happened yeah your handling has been widely reported to be bogus but okay a fleeting moment there we were like oh yeah it takes all the your earwax out of yours it's great well taking a clay bar to a car seems like an equally dumb thing to do right by I took my I did this to my wife's car years and years ago and I done half her hood and I left the other half alone and I said to Aaron I said okay I want you to take your hand and I want you to run it from the I don't remember if it was from the the clades side of the unplayed vice versa but I want you to see if you can feel the difference and she's looking at me like you know I'm she often does because I often have dumb ideas and she's looking at me like okay whatever man-- sure I'm gonna be able to tell the difference and then as I watched her move her hand across from you know one side to the other all of a sudden her eyes got really big and she said oh yeah uh-huh so sure enough so if that's the expert level there's all this to say is that's the expert level of car-washing is once or twice a year you can get a kit like McGuire's has a good kit that I think is what I typically use and you can actually clay your car and I kid you not it makes a tremendous tremendous tremendous difference you would never believe the difference it makes that is awesome so this this could be your legacy like the kc list method and it could be a blog post full of affiliate links and i would just eat it up you know I probably should probably should yes my approach to making bacon didn't quite take off the way damn Benjamin spit that's that's awesome next thing up that I mention is that there there are a lot of new stories around Apple watch and watch OS this week from the future and so I try to keep this podcast sort of timeless and and avoid that but you know what we will have a lot of discussion about that on 9 to 5 Mac happy hour and the greater podcast universe I will say that one thing I wanted to mention this week that's sort of interesting is that it because of the Cova 19 coronavirus there's some things that are affecting how apple's was working so I was in a few over the weekend on a road trip and you know you see the jerem X or the hand sanitizer neither side of the entrance which is you know probably a good idea all the time but especially now and the next thing is that you know one of the things that Apple stores do for the Apple watch that that's that's big is um you can walk in and try on an Apple watch and try different bands and everything there's there's a watches under the glass but you can see every configuration but there's also watches you can try on and retail stores have been instructed to only offer that experience if a customer exclusively requests it and whereas before it was encouraged like do you want to try this watch on you know it's just like man that's this the smallest things you wouldn't think about or affected by the situation so something um the that's totally wild and I haven't done any of those experiences in a long time because I'm on my third Apple watch now and I'm presuming we'll talk about this in a minute but yes I I kind of know basically what I want well I know what I can afford and I know what I want but one way or another it I should at some point once this all is done I would say blows over but I don't think it's gonna blow over but one right done I should go in and try that experience again I went with a couple of friends when the Apple watch was brand new and did that and it was extremely informative and and yes you know put me right over the edge in the in the good sense and told me oh yeah you want one of the easily this is very cool and so I am glad that it's still a thing and I'm also glad that they've put a pause on it that's right it's the small things like Starbucks having their program where you bring your own cup and and they put your coffee in Italy had to pause that as well and it's just the smallest interaction like that you wouldn't you wouldn't automatically assume others are going to be affected but just as a precaution they are so Mick sense is smart yep and I used the watch Tryon thing you know I've had each Apple watch it helps to be someone who ever used them for ninety five max to justify that otherwise it probably hold on to him for longer but I this year I finally bought this white ceramic model after going to W to be seen in 2018 and we did this WWDC run that was like part of the conference with some Nike Run Club folks and oh yeah J Blanc and it running and there were so many white ceramic watches at the time this is before the series 5 and I was like I've always been on the fence my wife had one before but I didn't I was you know when like the black stainless steel horsing still and it's like all these all these people have them and now I've got FOMO you know I want it and then there wasn't one for series 4 so right so I just had to do it for series 5 but I also wanted to see the new titanium finishes there's just two and it was neat to get to go into a store and try this on get like experience without you know buying three watches right no I I've always loved the look and not the gold one the original edition like ya never did anything for me but the the the white ones the ceramic ones and the titanium ones all look extremely nice I've only ever had aluminum ones my watch history and brief is I had the the dark what's the efficiently important and remember now but the sixth grade the space great thank you the Space Gray series zero as it's been retconned and then I held off and sold the series three which was the first one was cellular that was three right that's right okay and so I had a series three cellular and at that point I went to the traditional aluminum not the dark even though I think individually like just as a piece I think I like the Space Gray look a lot more but what I found was I did get just a handful of bands that I wanted to be able to switch between I'm talking like three or four not like 15 or anything right and with the Space Gray in my opinion makes that harder not to say it doesn't work but it just makes it harder and so I went with the you know traditional sport aluminum series three with cellular and around this time was when I was starting to get into running which I think we'll be talking about as well in this area and so I wanted the cellular from when I run and and when I went to get the series five you know the always-on display had been a couple years it was time etc I decided to go with the sport aluminum as well I haven't yet bought a Nike one I wonder if I'll try that next but either way I have now the small guy that was a very traumatic change for me yeah was it 42 millimeter which used to be the big guy in the series three era and I believe series no series four was when it switched is that right that's right yeah so I was the big guy in Series three and then by the time I got to series five I have a TBD wrists the the 44 like I could do it but it would be almost ostentatiously big you know what I mean so I went down to the forty which early on led me to some very deep and dark battery problems but thankfully they have been mostly resolved at this point and I can make it through a day with one Ron or with exercise relatively easily now that's right this is the first year since the first generation watch where I've not published a single review of series 5 and that's I've got a lot of stories on like my experience with series 5 which is like a review and its own but it began with I waited a few weeks to get ceramic because it was not in stores and I had my boss Seth weintraub in New York buy one at Fifth Avenue in like a big long line email me so that was neat I can never get rid of thing now but then like the first experience with it was this thing is dying like I'm not doing anything wasn't is dying and I went through a lot of troubleshooting steps and talked to the Apple and everything and eventually it was a future software update and it was a beta at the time but that just resolved the issue and and it was like about 50% of people a serious five had the problem and 50% didn't you know I'm so glad that that was over but it did mess up my cadence with reviewing the watch within a few weeks of it coming out if not before so yeah i'm i've always been 42 then I went to 44 I've had 40 when the series four came out there was a period where I had the series three early so I got that from Apple to review under embargo I did not get it with series 4 so I ended up buying a 40 because it was in stores and they were hard to get and then exchanged it for the 44 when it was available and I love that my 9 if I'm back happy our co-host Benjamin Mayo is much taller than I am I'm like five nine and he is taller than that but he's very like skinny lanky and so he's also a 40-person like his wrist is just the 44 would look comical he was a 38 person before that so I totally get that and you're right I was going to ask the first question of my notes is your history owning Apple watches I think we've tackled that now that's pretty well covered and I've always I feel like I've always loved the Apple watch in typical Casey fashion I was pooh-poohing it before it came out and then once I had when I decided it was the best thing that ever happened to me which is which is very much my mo but I've always really liked the Apple watch and I did wear watches as a kid and then I wore watches on and off as an adult and typically like I think my my prior watch prior to getting an Apple watch was it's a Timex weekender it's the Timex that everyone has because it's beautiful like as a reasonably affordable watch I think it's the the typography is good it's very simple very clean it's a very pretty watch and it works and so that's what I was using part of the Apple watch and then I ended up I was speaking at a Coco calm up in DC when the pre-orders for the series zero happened and up until the morning well I had set my alarm to wake up early enough to do the pre-order so I guess I already knew deep down I was gonna buy but I figured well let me just wake up and see how I feel and the next thing I knew it was 10 minutes later and I dropped like almost a thousand dollars I'm watches for both my wife and me yeah and Erin had exactly asked for one so I wasn't sure how that was going to go over because she's the the more thrifty Lauren reader depending on how you want to phrase it have the two of us she's better with money in other words instead I have at home and so she ended up getting the series zero and I she was resistant to it at first but I think at this point especially now that she's mom I think that she really likes it as well I think she could take it or leave it far more than me but I feel just straight-up naked without my nan and I really love this thing and even though I found I don't use it for all that much on paper you know not calling a lift via my Apple watch right at that but the things I use it for I feel like are critical in integral parts of my world that I would really not want to give up including but not limited to running with it that's right yeah I think we're in a phase where we're going from where the initial watchkit app should have never even been allowed but because you know companies like even Instagram for example made those then they weren't great they didn't get good customer experiences and then they abandoned them and literally pulled them when when they were required to take their watch app store for at least watch I was too and later or they'd be a lot better and and and so we're in this like in-between phase where watch apps are getting much better more capable but there's hesitancy to to try something new again over and over until there's one thing that's been this is this is the way that we do watch apps forever over the foreseeable future so I am in that boat to wear apps for me apps could be a big deal that there are a few apps that are very useful and they make up the expense of the watch but it's not the main thing like on the iPhone where you've got you know folders and folders full of apps so and yourself using a lot the in terms of apps on the Apple watch maybe one or two of them that you think are fairly critical to your world yeah one thing has been a calorie tracking app called calorie see a lor Y and I used my Fitness Pal for the longest time and they're in that category oh we have an up watch out but is terrible and functional and calorie is new to the scene and they built a food tracking app that is like if Apple built one it's got the standard you know iOS 13 and beyond look - it supports dark mode doesn't have ads everywhere isn't bought by Under Armor so like all that hasn't had a history of being hacked and passwords being leaked and so I love the app calorie and it's like it's in the 1.8 phase where it's like on 1.6 beta right now and so it still early days where they're adding features from My Fitness Pal but they're getting there fast and it's got a really good watch app where if you're just tracking calories and not all the other nutrient information then it's really easy to input it on their watch app to have it as a complication where your goal is you know you want say 1,800 calories a day she doesn't calories today and it doesn't have to just be the number that you've had it can be a percentage so you've got a better idea of like Oh a thousand calories that's a lot um but it's really just 50% every day you got that much more for the next two mil or something you know so I like that a lot um I and and it's not that third-party apps are bad that they're getting better like for example I use things as my task manager and for the longest time if you used more than one Apple watch things wouldn't work for you because it would sync with the iPhone and if you had two watches it would break the method and they just put out an update this week where things for the watch is now a client on its own just like things for the iPhone and iPad and Mac and so it talks to the things cloud and so if you do sleep tracking you can so use things now and they've got a really cool complication that I like which is like it's almost like an activity ring but for your task where mm-hmm and you can complete your things task list for today and it's like a compliment I like that a lot and you know if apps that would that integrate with Siri is very useful because that's a big part of the Apple watch for me too is that you've got the a player if you need to go that way but also if it can work with Siri then Sirian put is I mean values out all the time for things like controlling home ket and setting timers and you know starting a phone call having a workout even sometimes so if I can work with Syria it is awesome and both calorie and things work with Siri so it's very useful oh that's awesome yeah I haven't really done much with Siri support for third-party apps you know timers homekit absolutely dictating messages absolutely but it's very rare that I do anything with third-party apps other than I guess Spotify actually now that Spotify has Siri integration that that has been extremely nice but I haven't done much on any any of my devices with Siri and third-party apps I probably should try to explore that a little more yeah and just look at my watch my watch like honeycomb grid there's a few more that I just really rely on it and would not want to lose one it's called home cam by Aaron Pierce and you can it's for home kit cameras and you can have them in Apple's home app but it only shows your favorite accessories so if you got to have those cameras on page one of your home app and it's very slow like it's not great home cam is just the home kit video cameras and it's so neat to be like on cellular without your iPhone and be able to look at home cam and see you know what's going on at home I've got cameras in the front and back yards so like we know there's something happening there and it just feels like that's that's you know a whole thing the other one is I use voice memos which is new and watch OS 6 I want to say which syncs to the iPhone and your iPad and your Mac and I do a lot with voice memos where I'm creating a note for myself I've recorded a concert with voice memos and like edit it from the Apple watch and then edited on the Mac but like some audio software did that actually sound any good yeah I was so surprising I was just doing it as an expert and I was pretty close in them on the floor to look at the performance and I ran it and forgot about it and it was like two hours of recording and I got back to the hotel I was at and I was like oh let me stop the recording and I then it was just automatically on my Mac from my cloud syncing and so I moved the audio file to logic and I broke down the track of the recording by track so it's like these are the songs and exported them and ran them through just some software that I use for audio editing like um I've got a phonic leveler and iZotope rx-7 audio editor and then I used Marcos at forecast like label them and everything in ACOTA Mo's mp3 and I have them in Apple music is like uploaded songs in it I listen it's good enough that I listen to them regularly as like because part of it was an acoustic medley that you'll never get except on YouTube and it's good enough you can tell it's a live recording but the fact that it's an Apple watch I'm not sure that it was any different than holding my phone up in the air the whole night which I wouldn't want to do it was it was nice to not even take like video it's just I'm here for the concert and I'm capturing the memory of it you know and that's an incredible idea that I never would have had and as someone who has listened to many many hours of what is recorded Dave Matthews Band I am not too snooty about the sound quality of a concert where I know that it was not professionally recorded said so that's incredible I can't believe how well that worked what's like your series 5 or a different one at the time the series 4 okay yep 5 wasn't quite out yet so so that it was over the summer so that was awesome and I I mean once a month at listen to that it's like the ultimate bootleg and then also and I use that to record if I want to make a note to myself but my hands are busy I can just tap voice memos and then do recording also as a parent so I've got a 7 year old daughter named Emily and a 2 year old son named Rory and I love just I had the idea one day I was playing with Rory and you know I don't want to have my phone out and in the middle of that so I launched voice memos and I just started recording and like half an hour later I wasn't even thinking about the recording it was just I was playing together and him talking to me is like a 1 year old at the time and now those memories like man they are powerful yeah absolutely yeah Mike my grandma used to record me and my brother talking on road trips and like a with like a cassette recorder and she's got it's awesome she got those tapes and she's so proud of it I'm like hey grandma let me show you what I've got right like hours of Ric wit like for my daughter um for Christmas I asked her we were in the car and I launched voice memos on the watch and I was like what do you offer Christmas this year I've got that conversation recorded and even with my grandma like I will have conversations about you know just life experiences and I'll just she won't even know I was lunch placement was on the watch and let it go and then to me those are like timeless memories that having a phone out in the middle would be too invasive having a video recording would be like way too invasive but with the watch they don't even realize most of time and I often lose track of the time when I'm recording us like I go back on my that's so neat though and then the last thing is um is drafts for input so sometimes I do music as like a side project that I haven't never shared before but I will have like a medley in my head that I want to get down if it's like lyrics 10th only used drafts sometimes if there's like a pattern to it or rhythm to it that I want to capture - I'll do voice Minh was instead but those things are things that I would never pull out the iPhone for and I just wouldn't do but with the watch with those apps I find myself you know getting value out of that yeah that's incredible I'm looking through my I don't do the honeycomb I do the alphabetical list yeah I'm looking through my list there's very very little that's third-party and you know other than the things you've called out there's a forthcoming app from our mutual friend underscore David Smith and I'm sorry I am not allowed to talk about mind blowing and so that is on the list of things that that I think are essential for my watch and you're gonna be talking to him is that right David will be on watch time April 8th so it's like let us add a under a month away that's right and so that that app I don't want to name it but that app is is incredible and both both you and I have been beating it and it's it's it's really unbelievable what he's done I can't say enough good things about it another example is and this is very much like a first-world problem and a very unique thing to me but it's an example of where you can really do the Apple watch right so my wife drives a relatively modern Volvo SUV and they have a very good and very impressive I owe s app where you can lock the car remotely you can even start the car remotely you know from anywhere and know you can check the fuel level and do a few other things but the tough thing about the the iOS app is that anytime you do anything you have to re-authenticate right like oh yeah okay before you unlock you have to authenticate before you lock well maybe not lock but you get my point I certainly have to authenticate before you start the car so for me if I'm like walking with the kids out to Aaron's car and especially you know if I've got my hands full or something you know I have to take out my phone I have to unlock my phone which isn't in and of itself egregious but I have to unlock the phone then I need to find the app then I need to go in the app then I need to authenticate well I need to do a swipe to say start the car you know if it's the middle of the winter or whatever then I need to authenticate again with my face in order to let it know that it really is me trying to start her car and it's this multi Multi multi step process whereas on the watch because I've already authenticated against the watch and it's and it's been on my body since I authenticated it assumes and I think rightly so that it's me and so I have to do is start the watch app swipe over and hit start it's done in Missouri and it's it's stuff like that that yeah it's simple and silly and kind of dumb but it makes a tremendous difference that is something where the iPhone experience wants to be convenient first is doing it manually yourself but there's so many tiny cuts in the way that make it harder than it needs to be and the watch can assume a level of security that the iPhone cannot and so it makes it like actually the goal of what it was trying to do in the first place yep exactly right and it works so well and the other thing I wanted to call out is overcast for when I run so when I run I bring only my watch and my air pods I don't bring my phone I used to early on before I had a cellular watch and you know my fear is that even though I'm not like this huge distance runner I'm only running about a 5k when I run and I'm only doing it in our neighborhood but nevertheless I could be on the other side of the neighborhood and break an ankle or something and then so I do like crawl home and so that's most of the reason why I've bought a cellular watch occasionally I'll go out without my phone but that's exceedingly rare generally speaking I want the cellular watch for oh crap while I'm running or doing some other kind of exercise and say generally speaking when I run I will listen to podcasts I know some people prefer music obviously whatever works for you for me I'm okay with podcast and keeps my mind busy and keeps me entertained and keeps the me from feeling every inch of every mile I'm running and overcast watch app it is it is not absolutely perfect but it's pretty darn close and it works really really well and just being able to run with only the thing that was already on my body and the lightest headphones in the world you know I'm sure the earpods Pro or even lighter but for me I just have regular ear pods you know in in arguably the situational awareness of that might even be better for all I know but be that as it may you know having just these air pods in the watch and yet still knowing that I can call Erin or 911 or what have you if something really honestly goes wrong it's such a freeing feeling like again okay oh it's so terrible you would have to carry your phone with your baby yes of course this is like the first world use personal problem but this is why Apple makes nice stuff so you can get it it makes your world nicer and so when I go for these runs which I go in phases where I you know do more like lifting and then I'll do more running and it depends on you know what parts of my body are hurting that particular day because I'm getting older every day but anyway I've been running a lot in the last couple weeks actually in no small part also because the weather is starting to turn for the better and doing that with just overcast on the watch and just my ear pods is so magnificent and being able to get back to my my house and have my run actually you know GPS tagged in the in the activity app or whatever it is on the onion on the iPhone so I can see exactly where I ran and where my pace was good and where it wasn't not that I do that kind of analysis much and I'm gonna shush and let you tell me about what you do for your runs cuz I think you take it more seriously than me but it is still nice to see you know where I ran especially if I do it like dub dub for example you had talked about doing the official Nike run but a friend of mine maybe ours herbert organizes a WDC run where we just run in the Guadalupe River Trail I think it's called and it's cool to be able to see that run and see like the exact route that we took in stuff like that so and I've been on a couple of runs in Austin with previously mentioned David Smith went over for Mike's bachelor party and I can go back to that one and see the exact route that we ran and stuff like that is so nice and to be able to do it with just your watch is so magnificent but with all that said how do you you've been into running for a while what do you what do you do what should I be doing I feel like I should ask the expert here this week 9:00 to 5:00 MEK watch time is sponsored by flick type keyboard the easiest way to type directly from your Apple watch it's no secret the Apple watch is a great way to receive messages and stay connected but the biggest challenge is responding to those messages features like scribble invoice ocation are great in some situations but more often than not they're inaccurate and slow or just not possible to use that's what a flip type keyboard comes in with a flip type you can quickly compose messages on your Apple watch using a real keyboard flick type keyboard works just as you would expect you can double tap the spacebar to insert a period just like on the iPhone use a digital crown for alternative word suggestions emoji and punctuation and flip type is also insanely accurate thanks to a sophisticated correction algorithm due to limitations in watch os what the keyboard works best with a messages app but it's also integrated into 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around the neighborhood you know sync music - its ink podcast to it or not I'm against know podcast yet but music at least and run with my ear pods the Apple watch and there was late in the pregnancy was like she she could she can have a baby in time now right and so I had to run with my iPhone again and just in case we called because I didn't want to be you know fifth twenty minutes away and and she's like I need a gospel now so there was a period where I had to force myself to use the phone again and it's just a big difference because anything you can let go of like you don't want to run with small things your your wallet your car keys your your phone and phones keep getting bigger you know and you know to me like the if I can if I could just run with nothing that'd be ideal but the watch is the closest thing to that and it's so functional now because you know the time I had to do the phone to have phone calls and then a few months later you could do the do the watches just Schuyler and so I've always had cellular since then and you know I'm like you were I don't use it on a daily basis and I regard really pay the you know nearly fifteen dollars a month for the access which is insane this is it should be better integrate with this your phone bill but but I fear you know sometimes when I've got battery should I think maybe I'll just turn off cellular and I'll just turn it on when I need it but the the fact is for me I think is that what I need it is not when I'm able to do it you know right forget hit by a car I'm not gonna think okay now let me turn instead learned calling one now it's gonna be like I'm being conscious and that's a lot of the stories that we see too so so series three and Beyond have changed that for me it's it's so nice something that I've also experienced is that older people so I'm 29 28 30 in October and so I'm still in the 25 to 29 age of group when I do races and I'm happy about that because when I go to races older people whether it's 30 and 32 34 or 35 to 39 and Beyond they they seem to run faster the older they get I think it's just that they've had more time to like a lifetime of running and so the more dedicated by the year you know yeah so a little it wasn't run faster than me from what I've seen there is an app called tempo that I love is from an in develop indie developer named Rahul Mata and he does this full time now and what it is is it's it's like the activity app with run tracking but it's just four run tracking and not all the other workouts too so if you jus look if you do a mix of workouts then you can you can narrow it down and filter it in the activity app but but tempo for as a running log this just about running and so for me what I was always interested in I would use a night here on Club for the longest time and then it just got to be very unreliable so I wanted a replacement and also the Apple work I'd have kept getting better with things like cadence and pace alert and this look things like that and the workout screen or the music screen or audio playback screen in the app so I wanted the examples built-in workout app tempo will give you like heat bubbles for the intensity of your run if you're interested in like you know how you've been doing performance wise it will track your miles and it's got a widget in like a 3d touch but uh I can you know window for this where you can see how many miles I ran this week this month this year and if you have the app and tilt it into landscape orientation it'll show you how many miles you've ever ran with weather the best healthcare you know basically and you know something I love because this is you know a two-mile run can feel like nothing but if you do that you know every few days it adds up and so that that number in the end is what motivates me a lot and then there's also if you can you can pay to unlock more features and things like ten dollars a year or so just to support the app and and so I love tempo so check that out if you haven't yet and then the question is you mentioned stellar I mentioned cellular are you also that you pay for cellular you know painfully but that it does yes but you not yeah I don't think it should necessarily be free I'd like it to be free but you know I don't think it's necessarily fair to our carriers that it should be free but I remember when the Cellular watch was first announced and Apple said it's ten bucks a month and I was like okay you know that's I I think five would be better but I'll take ten yeah and then I'm on AT&T and I got my first 18t bill with the cellular Apple watch it took me to it was and it was like 14 80 or something like that and I went on like a multi-week 1080p because I was so grumbly and it's not I mean it's not really Apple's fault but other carriers like I'd heard rumblings at the time that t-mobile was just eating the fees right so it was actually $10 and it and I think some of these same fees I think a lot of them are probably just 18 t being 18 t but some of them are kind of federally mandated taxes and things like that and that could be eaten by 18 T to make it nice and convenient in ten bucks but oh no no no no that's for you and me to eat instead and I do feel like 15 is like right on the edge between worth it and not and I i am frugal enough that if it was like 20 bucks a month i think i would just wear a fanny pack or whatever yeah bum bag if you're British and Hindu just carry it with carry the phone with me although that being said I've Drive dropped and broken two phones in my life and the first one was an iPhone Seba leave it was that I was putting in the aforementioned fanny pack and missed and dropped it right on the pavement like I was completely my fault but I thought I was you know within a little pocket of the fanny pack and it turns out I was just dropping it into thin air and it dropped right on the hill and you know they've got pretty well damaged and then you had made allusions to this earlier but I had I was cleaning Aaron's car after we went it was like parked in a field for uninteresting reasons and I was cleaning it and I was trying to listen to something my ear pods weren't connecting to anything for some silly reason it was relays it was relays podcast Athan to raise money for st. Jude and I just got in my iphone 11pro earlier that day and I was watching the card I needed it near me my ear pods weren't working and I was running out of daylight and so I just put it in my back pocket on my shorts and Aaron's car's an SUV and normally I would bust out a ladder to get the roof but I was in a rush and so I jumped and there the iPhone 11 went shattering ah no no pavement so I lived with that for a few months until I've recently got it repaired but I had had a flawless iPhone 11 for approximately eight hours my first iPhone crack it was the the screen itself to the front of it and it was after I took Rory out on a jog with the jogging stroller and I got back and I you know got Rory out and got him situated and I went to fold with a jogging stroller and it had a little compartment where you can put things in it's not that sealed it's just a little clip and so I folded the jogging stroller and in the phone flow out and just smashed the ground so actually half expected you to say that the stroller like collapsed on top of the phone in somewhere and then it all got destroyed but that would almost be like it's better this way yeah so it's just thoughtless so and I wasn't using a case at all at the time and since at that time I decided with one kid I could go with no case with two kids it was too much like mental load and so there was just one thing to not worry about was to put a case on the phone for most of the time so that changed the game for me I'm curious um so you do run you talk about it sometimes on ATP which I love that discussion I love I love what a tech podcast can take this other direction because I do listen to some writing podcasts to like runners world used to have a good podcast that ended but then there's some also some independent runners that the do podcast and I just enjoy it because it's like fresh air compared to a tech podcast but I also love when a tech podcast can pivot and talk about something like you know cars or food or you know you with running and you know it's something that's really like you may not assume that you know Jason you know Jason Snell runs but I believe he does yeah and and the same for Gruber sometimes the he talks about it sometimes and so this is really interested in hearing about you know how you mentioned running on the podcast and wear something that is not like I'm just gonna try this but that you you seem to do it with some frequency so what's your history of running I guess before the Apple watch 2 what got you interested in it and then how you know what is the watch sort of do for you that that without it you wouldn't get to experience yeah it's a good question so I am horribly nerdy and unathletic I'm the stereotypical you know well less lanky than I used to be speaking in tall and lanky and I had never been particularly particular sports or anything like that and I'm almost 38 I'll be 38 in just a week or two and I don't know it was a couple of years ago maybe three or four years ago some somewhere between two and four years ago you know at this point we had our son and it occurred to me that me being sedentary for my entire life is probably not advisable and I at the time I wasn't particularly interested in like lifting and certainly not getting a membership to a gym not to say that that's not a good thing it's just it's not my speed right and I was trying to figure out something that I could do that would be you know something I could do by myself that I didn't need a lot of equipment for and that I would be entertained enough to do it regularly and so what I ended up doing was I downloaded a couch to 5k app for my phone and I mean this was either before the now it must have been after the series zero but before the series three but I did a couch to 5k app and I was looking up which one it was I don't think it's available anymore so I can't even suggest a particular one it was one the day that Jason Snell had suggested action ok and basically if you aren't familiar because I wasn't the way a couch to fight or the way this couch to 5k I presume it's similar for all of them I worked was you would like jog for literally 15 30 seconds and then walk for 30 seconds and you would only do this for the span of like a quarter mile or half a mile or something like that again I don't remember the details but you get the idea but over time and not only would you be increasing your cumulative distance you know so you would the first run was half a mile second run is maybe three quarters and third run is you know a whole mile or something like that but you'll also be decreasing the amount of walking and increasing the amount of running and the way this particular app worked was it would say to you in your headphones you know okay start with jogging and jog for 30 seconds then toward the end you go five four three two one okay now walk and I don't know maybe I'm just the personality type that was well what to enjoy that sort of thing but having somebody tell me okay now it's time to jog now it's time to walk et cetera it worked out real well and I remember hey I did like the first 30 second jog of the very first couch to 5k run and I was like aw man I'm killing this I'm gonna be running a 5k in a day and then within like two days it had already started to really ramp up the jogging past just 30 seconds and I was like I need help and by the end of it I mean I couldn't I could run a 5k and there was a mostly for the winner actually I barely ever ran I'm in in Richmond Virginia and we have very gentle winners but they're so cold you know it's not a terribly enjoyable thing to go running in 30 or 40 degree weather and I've done it many many many times but I don't particularly enjoy it and so I lately I have been doing a little bit more weightlifting which we can explore if you're interested but suffice to say I hadn't run for a long time and I've also had a my right achilles kind of I've been told I have a bone spur there and so I guess that's the problem but every once in a while like my right Achilles acts up and I know okay I got a pause on the running for a while and so I had a run for like I don't know two or three four months and you know over the last couple weeks like I said earlier the weather has really turned for the better and so I went I did I think a good 2k run which is you know like two ish miles something like that and then within a couple of days I had done another 5k and so it was just two or three years ago that I didn't have the stamina to do a three and my 5k you know five thousand kilometers is what 3.1 miles something like that and that's right and so you know three or four years ago whatever it was I couldn't do that without basically Keeling over dead and now I hadn't done it in three or four months and I was able to unnamed my pace wasn't particularly spectacular but I was able to do it and what I like about running and any presume any sort of athleticism is that it doesn't just fade away instantly like if I never run for a year I'm sure I would be in a bad spot but I didn't run for three or four months and I was fine and it worked out just fine and so now I'm just starting to get to the point where I'm alternate or maybe not alternating but you know doing a little bit of running each week and a little bit of lifting and I think that that's the kind of scheme I'm gonna go with from now on and it's also much easier now because I work for myself I work from home and that frees up time it makes it so much more enjoyable to do because when I still had a traditional job II job I would be waking up at like 5:00 in the morning and I I'm a morning person but you I define morning is like 6:00 on and so waking up at like 5:00 in the morning in order to go out in the dark often times in the cold and run three miles like it was not fun and I did it and I was glad when I did it but it was not fun but now you know I can go in the afternoons and I don't really have anyone to answer to but me and the family and that makes it much easier and much nicer and I'm very lucky to have that luxury yeah for me running is it totally began with the Apple watch but not this the first one the first one like ten months into owning it I had already bought and hoped occult but it was I wasn't using it it's like aspirational and there's like just one one day and March I was like I'm gonna use the elliptical and just see I got as an Apple watch reviewer what do what does it do you know as a for fitness and so that was the idea was just test this for work and that's my excuse and I could even do it during work hours I'm like keep an eye on like TweetDeck and things you know that was that flexibility was very good then when my son worry was on the way my home office was going to become his room and I needed to get rid of the elliptical I was worried though about closing ring still activity rings and so I took a month where I just ran every day which really isn't advisable but especially to close a 30 minute ring it's about you know around a 5k today and it's just you know you gotta burn out on that get hurt but I just told myself if I can do this every day then I will sell the elliptical and then you know that then my office is his room and we eventually moved for I had an office again at home but that's where it started and it was because of this the series to which added GPS then then I thought well I can run with the phone let me try this aspect of the watch the Apple was you know that's when they started doing the Nike+ watch as well and so they were really pushing Nike ranked Club it's like more for runners than even the workout app before the workout kind of exceeded what I what the my Kiran Club app can do and so I was really into that community to where every Sunday I'd run run a 5k at least even when I was in elliptical and it just kind of kicked on and and my aunt in Miami asked me would you ever want to have you ever thought about doing any races like a 5k race and I was like no way I'm not at that level you know thinking that the people that go to those races are at some you know Olympic level and I was just casual but she invited me to a 5k like fundraiser for the school district in Miami and I went to it and I had ran I was running 5k so home already and I had ran the fastest 5k as a personal record and at the time I had lost a lot of weight I went from like 210 to 140 130 holy smokes yeah and it was just from dieting an elliptical mostly and and it was much easier that's what I ran to learn to run with the way already lost I eventually gained back a lot of it after my son was born it like yeah that's right and and I learned that it's much harder to run when I came back the way I've got to slow things down but that I think it was like in the 24 minute range for that oh my okay yeah and now it's like really tough to be thirty minutes but it was what I realized in that environment was that when you're in an environment where people around your office earning there's like momentum like you're in a river like a stream and it was just a new level of motivation where you know everyone wasn't using an Apple watch at the time but we were all doing the same thing and there was just a push that I just felt that I wouldn't feel just running on my own and so then I got addicted to running races like no matter how small the races you know even if you've got to pay like 30 bucks to enter it and you know if there's no metal no t-shirt it doesn't matter I just I love running in groups of people like that right and then I tried um a 10k back home and this is when I was still in like like like optimal weight and I was like I just want to be one hour and you know that's kind of the goal here is to run in one hour or less and it was like 52 minutes and Wow and so that included a new personal record for the 5k distance within that and I was so happy this is awesome you know I got hooked to it now like a like an hour and 20 minutes or so for me but I'm trying to get back to the back to that and but I went from the 10k distance to um just just as a assignment for a half marathon distance race and it was just because it was so far out it was after the 10k I thought well if I can do a 10k I can do a half marathon and I'll go from there and then in the next like six months I gained the weight back and every I was like 180 then and I was like well I paid for this I said enough for let me just go you know run it and there's no goal but to finish you know yeah and I did and um it was like two and a half hours you know so and then I eventually got up to two hours and ten minutes after a few I've since ran six half marathons and I've got the next one is is in April at Disney World if it doesn't get canceled no good coronavirus yeah um I won't I won't not be relieved if it does though because my training isn't going as planned but also I've got this stretch goal this year to run my first marathon that just no matter what the time is just to say I've done it because it's so funny like people will say marathon when it's been half marathon I just want to be able to say yeah right a marathon um I totally hear you I've never done any sort of you know 5k or half marathon or 10k or anything like that there's a very popular and very big 10k in downtown Richmond where I live and I've heard it's phenomenally phenomenally fun and I'd like to do that at some point Aaron actually my wife just last month was at Disney for the princess 5k and there's a half down there that was the first time that she had done any sort of organised run like that and she really enjoyed it the downside of this is you either know or will know is that to in order to run through the parks that means you need to be out of the parks by the time they open and says she flew down on a Thursday afternoon or morning or something like that and she woke up it's something like 2:30 the next morning in order to get on a bus by like 3:30 in order to be there by 4:30 be in order to start the race by 5:30 and be done by you know 6:00 or 6:30 whatever it is and she crushed it like she hadn't run really barely any in months of months months months and dropped like a 27 and a half minute 5k which I'm nice exceedingly angry about because I'm like dying to get below 30 like I can do it in fact I just did it yesterday for the first time in forever but I am hooked at the end of it and she just casually drops like this 27 and a half minute marathon or a half 5k or whatever yeah nothing god I'm still bitter about it but anyways but I'd like to at some point do it even if it's not a 10k or halfway I I would love to be able to do that but I'm scared of them but you know I would love to do like a Disney 5k or something cuz I feel like that's a reasonably easy way to kind of like ease into the idea of group racing and easy it's really for me or not yeah Disney I did did a Disney half marathon in December November last year wasn't one of them but it and it was the same way it was on a Sunday on Saturday I went to the park yep yep yep and I was like I'm just gonna snack those a little bit and so I did and it regretted that because the next day it was all digesting and I was just like oh no it's is the worst experience of my life and in the same thing where I didn't really look at the time of the race like I knew it was in the morning but I did look it like when you need to be on a bus by and just saw a sign while I was like you know going on the park and it was like you know beyond the most of 3:30 and I was an hour and I was staying at our about 45 minutes from Disney family and so and the time changed that I think it was in the time change so it's really that's just a recipe for disaster yeah so it wasn't even sure like how to set my alarm because I needed to be up around like 1 or 2 and the time changes it to oh no think about that it was really complicated but I made it um and then I went home and like crashed so hard but that was the slowest 5k half marathon my wife and what was cool but the Disney environment is that there were people who there was a Facebook group for one for just like interacting with people who were going to be there and give tips and as your experiences but there are people who just you know they think they were done after the first mile and it was just you know didn't there wasn't their day to finish but it was just that level of runner from super fast to might not even finish and that was just really cool there were lot of people that were just walking and people would stop and take pictures with characters I open saw one family go through the Tower of Terror because the park had opened by then and they had time to just hop in line go down in the design at ten minutes like they were not running for their speed no sir but there were people who like stopped and had pictures taken with characters and a line that finished before me because I was doing some walking to but Disney was it was a very friendly environment welcoming environment with just all levels of experience so very welcoming environment yeah I want to do it at some point and our entire family so we my eldest kid is five now and he turned five as we were at Disney World like that was his present from us yeah you had to take the family to Disney World and that was in this past October and we all four of us I mean well my youngest kid is she's just freshly - she doesn't really know what she's doing at this point yes she she still seems to smile whenever we bring up Disney and so and you know Aaron and I honeymoon to Disney we did her 30th at Disney so we are very big Disney fans and I would love once the kids are older to get them to participate in the 5k because it's to the best of my knowledge I think you were saying this a second ago like once they're of a certain age they could do the 5k if they wanted to oh my gosh yes yeah I've been I was just my mom lives in Prattville Alabama and there's got a very beautiful old downtown on a creek and I was running from her house to a mile and a half away and then back for just to get a 5k in for the day and I ran into a running group and they were like little girls and boys that were probably like 7 and 6 or 7 and they were running so fast it's so much faster than me and that was a day where I was like okay I in the races that I've done it's like the kids and the older people that really motivate me to to do better but it's like they are dead you know and I'm just as able as them there's no reason I can't do this said that's always like they you know like the coach in the back of my mind is like a six year old girl going like you can do it I'm doing this and my daughter she's done some races some some one mile races and she's and I'll do them with her and and it's it's fun and them now her new thing is that every morning when she goes to the bus it's like um maybe like ten houses down from our house that stops on with the bus stops and she no matter what what time it is she's leaving she assumes she's late and she just runs as fast as possible to that bus stop so that's her that's her experience so far so that's awesome I do want to mention Oh an app that my wife is using now before we head off called footpath and she's training for her second half marathon she ran the FIR maybe third now I don't want together yeah third and she's gonna go to the Disney one with me it'll be my seventh and she's doing a thing where I populated our family calendar with just our running schedule that she's sticking to way better than I am but it's it's it's like gradually getting longer instead of like thirty miles go ahead to see like six miles and nine mile runs and social what she likes to do is to map out a route of where she wants to run to get to that distance and back and it's getting trickier and trickier and so she had the idea of she was like there needs to be an app that you can just trace your finger on a map and then get the distance of the route and then have it synced to your watch and give you guided instructions when you're running without your phone and I was like yeah that's a really good idea I bet someone's thought of it a few times you should look it up and see like you need to pitch them on this and it turns out she did her research all on her own and she ended up using an app called footpath and footpath is an app that lets you do just that you run your finger along the map you get the distance when you let your finger off and then it syncs to your Apple watch and you get in your headphones turn-by-turn directions based on that around yeah and it's just like she had the idea from like a necessity and it existed the only thing it doesn't do is other apps like this like a like footpath will give you the distance as you trace your finger along so you know when to let go and this one doesn't and so I DMS like use my 95 Mac status to DM the developer and they capture request ya the feature question and they were very communicative and they were like we can probably do that we've seen other apps do it the way that we do it now is impossible because of how we calculate but we could do it and I was like great I'll feature the app when you do it well done yeah yeah so you know this make me quite happy but yeah so that's really fun and I love hearing about you know families getting all the running to you because for me I grew up with my grandparents mostly and so there wasn't a lot of athleticism and so it's just brand new to me in life and it's a lot of a lot of because of the Apple watch and for my kids it's normal now like they just just you know it's not you know let's take on this big task it's what you do and so it's so much fun and I love hearing about how you and your wife are running and and and maybe your kids will get into in the future too and if you're doing it then it's it's gonna be a lot easier for them to I had no idea to like track and field was a thing in school but maybe I would have been good at it I don't know yeah I hear ya and I I do kind of regret not being more involved with sports as a kid and it's not because my parents like didn't let me or anything like that but you know the stuff I tried you know I like I did a little bit of baseball I did a little bit of basketball and there was like a five-minute window when I was actually passively decent at basketball and so I kind of regret not trying you know track-and-field and I'm not sure I would have been particularly great at it but I kind of wish I did have that experience growing up and you know Declan my son is in school is in his last year preschool and he does like soccer after preschool program once a week where he plays soccer cool yeah it was instructed on how to play soccer to some degree you know as much as you can with a mixed group of like three to five year olds and he seems to really enjoy that and so I just want to make sure that we expose him to it and I think what you said is extremely important that you know it's it's a clear part of our routine both Aaron and me that we exercise every single day in their days we miss of course but for the most part I think it's fair to say that we exercise every day and I think it's really important to set that example for our kids just like you had said to show them that like if you want to be healthy this is one of the things you have to do and in the same way that you know I want to go to McDonald's for lunch every day and don't at me because I do think it's tasty I don't do that because not only is it you know did cost money but it's also not healthy you know to set these examples I think is very important and I'm not saying I'm doing a perfect job or anywhere near it but I do think I'm doing a better job than I was doing three or four years ago and I just sat around all day you know either either at work at a desk or at home on the couch or something like that that's right I mean this is getting better there's nothing like a good workout to UM negate your craving for McDonald's like exactly rice to go to agendas right by McDonald's and I would want it when I went in when I went out I was like no way I'm not in a worst-case scenario if you get it well you just ran so that's right that's right yep well I think we've met the goal of a half an hour discussion here yeah yeah I always say thirty minutes that you know just to set the bar low and then it ends up being about an hour so I really appreciate that Casey thank you for being here promote your app promote your your blog and your and your other podcast here I'm sure so to start with apps I have an app called vignette the idea for that is if you have a bunch of people in your iPhone's contact lists that are just you know the gray circles with initials if you plug in their social media information vignette will go and find their profile pictures and stuff them into your contact list so you know your messages lists for iMessage isn't a bunch of gray circles it's actually pictures which is very helpful that's free with a five dollar net purchase and then similarly a peak of you which came out just a month or so ago that was born actually from our trip to Disneyworld are then almost two year old refused to ride in a stroller and let me tell you exactly that is not fun at Disneyworld when you're almost two year old does not want to ride in a stroller I know I've been there so what we discovered was she really enjoyed looking at pictures but that's terrifying because I wasn't exactly backing them up nightly when I'm at Disney World and so a peak of you is basically read-only photo gallery so you can give it to a toddler to a client sometimes you can barely tell them apart I know how that is one way or another you can give your phone to somebody and if you lock them into that app with guided access then they can't leave it they can't do anything destructive you know your photos are safe and so that is also free with a five dollar net purchase my two podcasts which have both been mentioned the XML tech podcast at ATP fm with my dear friends Marco Arment John siracusa and then analog with Mike Hurley which is on relay FM where it's ostensibly about where your digital devices in in real world meet but it's kind of morphed into a human-interest show about just the two of us thank you very much it's not a great elevator pitch I will concede but it's I think it's a fun show and then finally my website is Casey luscom you can find me on Instagram Twitter etc Casey les CAS ey l ISS alright thank you so much Casey for joining me I really appreciate it and I and I do want to stay up-to-date on on your running activity and if you do an organized run one of the one of the things for me that's really motivational is when you get a medal and this happen with my wife I've got like a thing over here by him you know in my office where it's just slammed with medals from just it can be like a community 5k and you'll get a medal for it for just finishing and then it ranges from like Tim Cade a half marathon so far but my wife wanted the same thing so she started that was one of the things that motivated her to start running to is someone's medals too so so go for it and I hope that you sometime maybe this year you know sign up to do five because you'll be surprised about what you how you perform differently from running on your own to running in a race environment it's it's very motivational especially seeing the diversity of people that are there to you in the community so yeah I hear maybe we should set a date for our two families to do like princess 5k next year or something like that I am down I feel like I really I need any excuse to go to Disney World but this is very excuse of getting to hang out with you and your family and that's right and also go to Disney World so it's a win-win-win yeah this this time I'm planning on the races a Sunday instead of going to Disney on set on Saturday and but I've gotten mundane lessons learned they're awesome well thank you so much for joining me that is the watch time podcast for this week it will be back in two weeks well so I want to thank foot type one more time for sponsoring into five my watch time this week that's flu type keyboard used in the podcast show notes in your podcast player or uninvited matcom to support the show and download foot tight keyboard I had fun with this one because it's a it's a keyboard app that I hadn't tested before the sponsorship but I knew about it and I did have the beta version of it but I was surprised at how good it is for sending messages especially and if you can find it in other apps like chirp for Twitter it's really great so check it out if you're just curious about like what can the watch do what should maybe Apple do in a future version of the watch software check out flip type keyboard it's really remarkable it surprises you at how good of a keyboard it can be in 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