**The iMore Podcast: A Conversation with Ken and Peter**

In this episode of the iMore podcast, hosts Ken and Peter discuss various topics related to technology and pop culture. The conversation starts with a brief discussion about the upcoming 30th anniversary of the Macintosh computer, which is expected to be a significant event in the tech world.

Ken and Peter also talk about their concerns regarding government surveillance and data privacy. They express their worries that the US government may be monitoring their every move, citing concerns about online security and the potential for private conversations to be intercepted. However, they reassure their listeners that the US government will protect them from such issues, which is a relief for those concerned about their digital safety.

The conversation then shifts to the topic of energy savings. Peter suggests using a temperature control system to maintain a comfortable environment, which can help reduce energy consumption and promote sustainability. This idea is met with enthusiasm from Ken, who appreciates the potential benefits of such a system.

Ken also mentions that he loves the idea of temperature control systems for maintaining optimal warmth during cold winter days. He suggests setting the temperature at 68 to 72 degrees Fahrenheit, which would provide the perfect balance between comfort and energy efficiency.

The hosts take questions from their audience and engage in a Q&A session. They encourage listeners to send their questions via email or through social media channels, where they will be answered on future episodes of the podcast. The hosts also announce that they will have a weekly "Ask I More" column, where they will take turns answering listener queries.

In addition to answering questions, Ken and Peter reveal that they will be giving away some swag bags, including t-shirts, pins, and other items from their sponsors. They invite listeners to join them live on Google Hangouts, where they can participate in the Q&A session and receive updates on upcoming episodes.

The hosts thank their audience for tuning in and express their gratitude for the opportunity to share their passion for technology and pop culture with their listeners. They also tease their latest episode, which features a special guest and a discussion about the latest developments in the world of tech.

**Special Guests and Appearances**

Throughout the conversation, Ken and Peter mention various other guests and appearances that will be featured on future episodes of the podcast. These include Renee, who will be discussing her experiences with technology and pop culture, as well as Michelle, who will be sharing her expertise on iPhone cases from the iMore store.

The hosts also tease their friend and fellow podcaster, Peter, who will be appearing in a special episode of the show. They invite listeners to join them live on Google Hangouts, where they can participate in the conversation and receive updates on upcoming episodes.

**Social Media and Community Engagement**

Ken and Peter emphasize the importance of social media engagement with their audience. They encourage listeners to follow them on various platforms, including Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, where they will be sharing updates, behind-the-scenes insights, and other content related to the podcast.

The hosts also invite listeners to join their community by participating in discussions, sharing their own experiences, and asking questions. They promise that their audience will be valued and respected throughout the podcast, and that they will do everything possible to ensure that everyone feels welcome and engaged.

**Contests and Giveaways**

In a special segment, Ken and Peter announce that they will be running contests and giveaways on future episodes of the podcast. These include swag bags filled with t-shirts, pins, and other items from their sponsors, as well as exclusive iPhone cases from the iMore store.

The hosts invite listeners to participate in these contests by sending them emails or using social media channels to enter. They promise that the winners will receive prizes that are both exciting and relevant to tech enthusiasts.

**Conclusion**

In conclusion, Ken and Peter wrap up their conversation with a final farewell to their audience. They thank everyone for tuning in and express their gratitude for the opportunity to share their passion for technology and pop culture with their listeners. The hosts also tease upcoming episodes of the podcast and invite listeners to join them live on Google Hangouts for more discussion, Q&A sessions, and exciting content.

As the episode comes to a close, Ken and Peter remind their audience that they can find them on social media platforms, including Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, where they will be sharing updates, behind-the-scenes insights, and other content related to the podcast. They also invite listeners to join their community by participating in discussions, sharing their own experiences, and asking questions.

The iMore podcast continues to be a go-to destination for tech enthusiasts and pop culture fans alike, offering a unique blend of discussion, analysis, and entertainment that is both informative and engaging.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone it is Thursday January 23 2014 I'm Rene Ritchie and today we are going to be celebrating 30 years of mac this is the imore show joining us today a man who loves the mac so much he has OS ken in his name ken ray how are you I'm doing all right Renee how are you very well thank you know I've had the pleasure of being on a show with you on you know on macbreak weekly with you before butts your first time on the I'm washer thank you so much for joining us thanks for having me i do appreciate it it's always fun to sort of crawl out of your comfort zone anytime there's a camera pointed at me I'm out of my comfort zone but hopefully it ends up being okay so we'll find out 2014 the year of video ken no no I flirted with that idea in 2007 and then realized not just be me staring at the camera kinda like I am now yeah no I'm not I'm not into it oh yeah well the way we do the the developer and designer interview shows audio only and not live because most of them have never podcasted before and it's just one too many levels of stress to put him in front of a live camera sure sure I get that I get that although I guess I did um 2009 I was on TV TV like on Kron in San Francisco I was like this guy that they were talking to actually the ass the expert segment I guess I kind of snuck in on that one um and I didn't freeze up so who knows I might maybe that'll be 2014 will be the year of the freeze up though maybe I'll try something completely different no so you are and you're still doing the mac OS can show and yes you want to talk about your other show right now well who's your the show well it's not a show I've actually I'm doing a thing now called a chart magazine which is taking the content that I do every day that I've been doing every day for eight years this weekend Mac OS can turns eight on sunday so of course no show um but the content that I'm doing for eight years i'm taking that daily content and putting it on to newsstand iOS newsstand I chart ey e I chart it's kind of for people who want to companion to mac OS can there have been a lot of people who've said how can I go back and find this story well the story is there and it's presented in a pleasant format you know pictures and words and all that fun stuff and the idea is it's going to grow into more I'm starting with the same script that I've been you know doing forever presented in sort of a different way um and the plan is to add features and you know other stuff and reader mail and you know all those things I want to grow it into a magazine but right now it's starting with that I kind of think of it as a newsletter in a way I mean the kind of newsletters that you know people used to get by email but in in lovely perfect for ipad form well I think it's a fabulous I mean we've done a few transcripts for debug and iterating one of that was just for accessibility because not everyone can listen to a podcast but the people who can't listen can often you know read them and we toyed with throwing them in iBooks or something but I think that's it's not only a great way to serve your existing audience but it's a great way to reach even more people yeah fingers crossed that was all like a passage of input devices for you can thank you very much I appreciate that so you said eight years old the mac is going to be turning 30 years old I that I can't believe it it's like it's finished college it's got a postgraduate degree it's probably settled down and it might be having kids sometime soon well it's had plenty of kids hasn't it means got it had the ipod it had the the iphones got the ipad I mean and that's sort of the progression right and then there's this whole and the talk of the ipad pro or whatever the 13-inch thing that's going to come back around and confuse us oh it as a tablet this is a computer I don't know what it is okay it's a tab puter it's a hooter uh well it's not much worse than phablet hello blown I don't know something like that so Peter who's gonna join us in progress as soon as he gets back he put up a post about our fondest memories of mac and I have to confess I my first computer was an apple too plus with the big old green CRT and the disk drive that was as big as your head and you had to flip flop ease all the time and then I got into das boxes and windows boxes and it wasn't until OS I had a pro forma when I was in high school but I had an Amiga too and i used the amiga more often because you know non Steve Jobs years but i only got back into the mac seriously when vista came out and i got a brand new dell laptop that was shipped to me without driver support for the a card that was in it and I through a rage at work and I said that's it I want something that works and they gave me a 17-inch MacBook Pro running tiger I think back then and I have not looked back since yeah yeah now I am I good grief I don't even know I mean I remember the very first time I played with any computer at all it was one that um a friend of mine had gotten seriously when his family subscribed to Time magazine you remember they used to it was about this big I think and we we literally wrote a 10 line basic program that max it out max I dad's memory and his parents were both professors and they you know had this idea that computers might be something at some point so within a month I think of going to his house and and playing with that little you know free with your subscription computer i went back and there was a mac and that was kind of stunning he and i had taken programming classes basic programming classes on apple to at some point but the thing is once I saw the Mac the whole idea of you know things like the command line and things like learning to program and all that stuff I feel terrible but it all went away because here was this thing that did you know what I wanted it to do and it's not like well it's like Steve Jobs always said right it basically got out of the way the computer then got out of the way and let me do what I wanted to I started you know doing art stuff and things like that didn't have a Mac of my own but I actually published my my youth group newsletter on somebody else's Mac that I knew so i did desktop publishing very early and then got away from all of it entirely for a number of years and yeah sort of did the same thing went to work and you know once i went to work everybody had windows and so I sort of fell away from the mac but any chance there was to play with one like I was at aol's corporate offices one time an AOL had these computers where you could check your email in their corporate in their in their lobby and they had like 10 windows machines and two of the Bondi blue imax or maybe three and having not used a mac in probably five years at that point I still went over to that one because it was it was still the intriguing thing and I had much better memories of using him back then all the years that I've been using you know windows at that point the people that I was with looked at me like I was an idiot because they're like well I wouldn't understand what to do and I'm like it's checking email when my father left IBM he started a consulting company that he ironically later sold to IBM but in those few years in between they had a Lisa at the office and I remember sitting down in front of it and thinking how fun it was to drag all the documents into the trash can and I was never allowed touching it again after I would imagine yeah that would be kind of began in bad yeah I bet then so with all of that so well with all that stuff my favorite one honestly still even though I'm sitting in front of a very nice 13-inch MacBook Pro my favorite mac is the 12 inch powerbook g4 and I think it it's partly because the thing had heft but it was still very compact but the other thing was it was the first Mac that I ever owned it was the one that it was my entry into that not not cutting the ipod or other people's max I'd played with in the past I heard a lot of people who love that computer even people who now have the same 13-inch retina MacBook Pro that you have and they still really want the 12-inch back does that one is make that big of a difference um somehow yes I don't well not mean more I mean here's the thing i'm wearing a pair of reading glasses now because i can't read without them so honestly I won't be going smaller than a 13 inch and honestly my next computer might be a 15 inch just because I'm finding that I need more real estate especially doing things like doing things like I chart and stuff like that um but yeah it was just a great little machine I don't know I don't know what it is and yet there's something about the heft of it like my father-in-law just got a 13-inch macbook air okay hey doesn't work for me and and it's fine I mean it's a good machine he loves it and and I know everybody thinks they're great but it's it's it's too thin I'm I need I need just a tiny bit more and I don't know what that is even though it's not there's no difference as far as the performance as far as i can tell except of course my macbook pro does not have a flash drive so it's not quite as fast i guess the macbook air would be but yeah there was there was something about the UM there was something about that powerbook in fact i was sitting years ago but years after the powerbook was an old machine i was sitting in the theater at the sem disco store I'm theoretically learning something but really just checking email and killing time to let him meet somebody and the presenter like between presentations that he was doing came over and he was like that that machine that you have there that is the best Mac they ever made I'm like okay well I think so too but so many people love it it's amazing I started with the 17 inch and I demanded the I sound so demanding but I was a designer at the time and I I just lived in front of pixels I did the more pixels on the screen the better from you at a Wacom tablet multiple monitors but I wanted when I was traveling to just have maximum pixel count so that's what I got and I would look that battleship around with me you know back-breaking Lee everywhere but then i started i went to a 15 inch eventually because Apple stopped making the 17 inch and then I got an a I got the Haswell macbook air because the minute they said 12 hours of battery life um I I just fell in love with that idea but when i use it i want my 15 inch macbook pro and when I use my 15 inch macbook pro I want that macbook air so I'm thinking of ending up on the 13-inch macbook pro next year that you're using hmm yeah well this one actually this one's a couple of years old so it's not the retina display but oh well one makes do well I mean like the I notice it now on the macbook air because there are some pros and cons some people find the retina display is really heavy I mean uses a lot more battery life maybe broad well we'll fix that when intel pushes that out this year but for now the 13-inch retina MacBook Pro is essentially a retina air some people don't care some people like the old pixels because they can actually see pixels and that's you know reassuring I I just like the idea of that whole processor architecture with the PCIe you know flash memory it's so fast and the computers there's basically if taken away everything from that computer that's not performance-based hmm now here's the question I have for you and I mean as somebody who eats sleeps and breathes all this can you ever see a time where you're not going to be using a laptop the ipad does the ipad ever get powerful enough for you or you still going to need that you know that tactile I need my keys and then the follow-up question is is that because you're set in your ways or because they're they're actually our use case differences so I never thought I would not use a desktop I mean I was just so used to top computers not i had an imac later on and just the idea of that much brute power being there and having all those disks and all that space even right now I'm sitting on top of a first-generation nehalem Mac Pro and it it's got eight cores and my laptop is faster than this is now ironic right but it's still there and I didn't think that mobile would catch up and it did the ipad i use it for a lot of things but they're very different like there's things that i can do in an ipad that i would never imagine doing on a Mac like I close my Mac slid to read at CES I put up an article about how we used ipad mini's as essentially broadcast cameras because the screen is big enough to be a like if you're not familiar that people do photography with little things like iPhones but when you're broadcasting if you have a regular-sized camera you'll often put a small HD monitor on top because it lets you get focused perfect that lets you set scenes very easily and we had an ipad mini with a lens attachment on it and we could do close-ups you could have cameras broadcasting signals back without wires you just can't do that with traditional photography gear so I can see all these new use cases but for just writing I like the idea of a keyboard and a mac and i live in Photoshop and I live in Final Cut Pro yeah and I movie is great GarageBand is great on the iPad but my muscle memory is just built for doing those things the way I learned them yeah I do all of my podcasting with adobe audition I know I'm supposed to get off adobe and all that stuff but i do oh my i do all my editing audio editing for three or four different shows with adobe audition and I've you just for fun tried to come up with something that would even come close to it on the ipad and it's it's not fun so you know the fun ended quickly and i and and i go back to my mac I mean honestly to if it comes to a point where adobe audition without having to sign up for their you know whatever their cloud $99 whatever you know pay me forever to use this software and this computer may I may eventually strip everything off of this computer except for adobe audition I could see using this five or seven years from now if suddenly if suddenly I can't keep using the version of audition that I use from my cold dead hands what I'm saying Renee no I understand like if you have to jump through hoops to force a device into your workflow then that might not be the device we I love hammers and I love screwdrivers I don't need to hammer nails to the screwdriver I wow that's kind of e so you mentioned your favorite was the titanium macbook we've been talking about I like the idea that Apple is so audacious with the max that they're not some companies they'll have a success almost like the old apple they drove the Apple to line into the dirt and almost took the company with it I like the idea that apple would make the mac that they would make the all-in-one imac that they would then you take that best-selling computer and make it a display on a giant ET neck and then you know they'll make it then just a screen that they'll make a new mac pro with a massive thermal core I like that they're not afraid to take risks with the mac product line yeah um I don't always agree with it I mean honestly i sort of miss I miss being able to choose between black and white on a computer which maybe is crazy but um I did the et next you're talking about I I never that that I never warmed to that at all and I know there were lots of people thought it was wonderful but I it it that one never really SAT well was me but yeah I mean that that is kind of a cool thing they're not afraid at all to blow out what they've got I mean even heard Tim Cook say that a little bit this year no this is not the mac but you heard him say that a little bit this year kind of repeating what Steve Jobs did with the with the ipod mini saying the iPhone 5 is the most successful phone we've ever had so say goodbye to it because now we have the ascent course you're only kinda saying goodbye to the iphone 5 but yeah they're not afraid there what's the Stephen King one or what's not Stephen King heal your six yes yes he quotes that line quite a bit but yeah you know don't be so in love with the success that you had that you're afraid to try something else and they're certainly not that at least not these days so Peter for like a year I was bought by blu-rays because I like directors commentary and you never and I also like the making of stuff and itunes extras is still not on the appletv shame on you Apple I mean they built that stuff put it on the Apple TV but you would never know what you would get so I still buy the blu rays and for a while they would give you the itune download code along with it but it was the SD version not the HD version and now they have ultra violet and I looked into it and every provider has a different cockamamie implementation of it and wants you to jump into a different hope to be able to watch it and it just reminded me once again that Hollywood remains the single most consumer hostile business that all of us love on this planet video is actually the one that bothers me the most and that kind of thing that you're talking about I'm like you're 13 year old almost everything I listened to his on Spotify right now and before that it was Rhapsody and and they'd Spotify because I actually do like the discoverability of what my friends are listening to there are a few people that I know who listen to music that I don't know but I would like to know more about so every now and then I cruise their playlist and see what they're listening to and I learn more that way video I I'm actually I'm ashamed to say that I'm kind of like well I'm a channel flipper sometimes out like I'll just find something to get fixated on it and I also discover a lot of really interesting stuff on netflix most of my video watching is done streaming at this point but I get very sort of there are some movies that I just will watch repeatedly watch repeatedly watch repeatedly and those I'll buy because the first time you go to Netflix it's not there anymore and like there are some things and it's you know it's tough to have on in the background it's it's like Pacific Rim like I bought Pacific Rim recently and the reason I bought Pacific Rim is because it's awesome because it's the greatest movie ever made well one of them yeah but come on yeah exactly I can't remember the character's name yep Idris Elba though I mean come on seriously i bought Pacific Herman actually Pacific Rim is the last movie i can remember buying in a very long time because well Renee will tell you I was you know tumescent with joy when that movie you know was getting ready to be released i was absolutely it just spoke to me he was running through the press room going kaiju kaiju it's true but um so I have a have very specific ways that i watch video and I can't be without it I mean that's that's basically there are a few movies that it's like that has to be on in the background if I'm doing this like writing my show there are like five different movies that play while I'm writing my show and for a while I relied on netflix for that but their deals end and and then suddenly it goes away now of course I guess they could pull whatever movie it is that i buy from itunes one day and i won't have access to it anymore but i'll trust for the time being that that won't happen and these are the choice to download it if you want to not since the music business has there been someone like that music this is where i'm free and movies are the opposite of that I mean I have so much rage I could be a kaiju my rage level is so high okay well what do you suppose that's about though you all heard that story I know about the guy who has the prescription google glass right and so he went to the movie yes and and he was wearing his google glass glasses whatever it's called but he wasn't recording it was just because the Tulsa was prescription glasses and ends up being sweated by the feds for like what an hour two hours something like that how did that happen how did that actually happen how did this guy go from I'm going to a movie too I'm gonna sit and be questioned by the FBI wasn't an usher and why did the usher care I mean I'm there's there's there's it's not just that that Hollywood is angry but I mean they got those right i remember when shorts integra was governor of california he came to canada on a state visit and he basically said canada you're stealing our movies you have to stop it you're stealing our movies it was that was the purpose of his visit not trade not you know relations it was you damn canadian stop stealing our movies you know as far as the google glass thing is concerned on one hand i think it's kind of schadenfreude i'm not really that disappointed to see a glass whole get her ass it's true it's a good if it's a true story on the other hand it makes me wonder what's going to happen when I mean you know Google glass is pretty conspicuous it's pretty obvious right now when you've got google glass on and you know I some people obviously take offense to it some people don't like the idea of having their image recorded without their permission or you know and in this guy situation assuming this this story is not apocryphal that you know that he's doing something that he shouldn't be doing but what happens when the technology gets many miniaturized to the point where um we don't know that people are doing this sort of stuff anymore were where personal personal surveillance is just sort of you know par for course I mean we saw products at CES this year that you know cameras that you just sort of attached to your lapel like la buttons that look like buttons and they record continuously throughout the day and they enable you to photo blog or photo journal continuously throughout the day you know we're really fast approaching that at that inflection point where these devices are going to be too small to really be noticeable and then what do we do you know it's I think it's just another practical example of where technology is sort of exceeding culture and society's ability to sort of assimilate what the practical implementations or implications rather of an are and it's you know where we r you know monkeys with nuclear weapons all of a sudden bring that back around though if you could too the drm discussion that we're having I mean are you saying that the lapel pin get so good at some point that the movie that somebody records from the a throw or the tenth row your google contact something along those lines yeah I mean I'm question no question at all that that's the direction that we're headed in ok so then what happens so does that what makes Hollywood play nicer I mean the only thing that made the music industry play any nicer with consumers is is basically being destroyed by itunes right i mean and not destroyed i mean they we all speak in the hyperbole the music industry speaks and because the music industry spoke and that's so long and so effectively they weren't destroyed they were not doing as well as they were doing before but they are much they're much they're a kinder gentler industry now as far as the consumer is concerned because they kind of had to be they think we're going to protect what they had they failed to strap a cash register onto Napster which ended up almost destroying their business through piracy and then they went to iTunes as their salvation but it decoupled their album model and made them dependent on signal singles which they were not used to being dependent on and now they both love itunes for saving their lives and hate it for making them living a subsistence level well going along with that you know can i think that the point here is that there there's got to be some disruption point that affects the way that the businesses that that the business is done right you know as Renee points out with music it was you know the introduction of itunes and the influence that itunes had on the music industry at the time you know where Apple was able to push back and say look we really got to shake the drm off of this or you're gonna kill the goose that laid the golden egg I think hope if dad hasn't happened yet in video I think that was so I think what happened was Steve Jobs convince them that they were competing with free and they had to have a fair service to compete against free which was piracy then they decided they hated iTunes enough that they would give Amazon drm free music in an attempt to compete with itunes and then Apple made when the iphone came along they saw that they were smart enough to see that coming and they exchanged 3g availability for drm with apple so i think like to both of your points i think they've never understood the future of their business they've always been afraid and held on to their old models and it's only when they were really really more afraid and maybe netflix does that maybe video piracy through google contacts does that but i think you know can i think you're right i think there'll be a certain point where they understand that they have to be nice to people to survive building it that's that's kind of my question i mean what's the thing that nearly Rex Hollywood before Hollywood starts being a bit more consumer-friendly and the interesting thing about Netflix is if you take a look at how Netflix is as evolved netflix doesn't really represent that much of a threat to the movie industry as much as it does to the television industry you know it's it's sort of dividing and conquering that way it's producing its own original content it's getting other companies into that business where they may not have been that strong before and it's it's proving that there's a viable alternative to the traditional TV studio system you know for getting quality content produced that people will pay to consume you know house of cards orange is the new black you know there's all the stuff that you can watch on Netflix that you have to pay for a netflix subscription to see but you know ultimately is exclusive to net and that you can't see anywhere else that's how Netflix is building its value up to consumers and that's again having it having an effect in a market that maybe a year or two ago we wouldn't have said thought the netflix had any place in at the table at all because netflix is business was still very much dependent on you know striking content deals with movie studios you know when you say it that way they are actually following the HBO model I mean HBO started off with just showing in movies right and then eventually I can't remember what the first HBO series was the first one I remember was Tanner in 88 although I guess maybe not necessarily the news and stuff like that was also part of that but netflix is kind of go in the same way they started off with you know movies that were several years old that most people wouldn't want to watch but they already had netflix account anyway so the two work together right I mean you were getting the DVD so you got the streaming for free that's kinda switched over and now it's really interesting I hadn't hadn't thought about that but they're they're following the HBO model fairly closely they're being much more consumer-friendly about it you don't have to have a cable subscription and put it they don't have the legacy bad days at HBO is carrying around with them so they're very dexterous mmm-hmm I've sort of another question so this is the other knock that I think is hitting Apple the first one and I apologize if Google cut if the Hangout cut out again on anybody so we're talking about two things that I think people have been you know unfairly knocking apple for and I said I prefer people knock Apple where it actually hurts rather than just randomly and one was drm because as a Canadian I can't get amazon and if I have a Windows Phone you know I can't get google services either so everything is a lock in the other one is that Apple is not functional enough the iphone is not functional enough and mostly this is from android users who pick up an iphone for a few minutes and trying to get into it and they think oh I can't do exactly what I could do on my android and I have this this idea in my mind I want to run it past you guys so I have this idea that there are different sorts of stages of phone owners and the first one is I'm going into the carrier I want a free phone I've heard phones can do facebook now just give me that free phone and inevitably they get the free phone which is typically an Android device of some kind and they use it for texts and Facebook and they're happy then there are people who want their first smartphone and they're kind of nervous about it and they understand value apple is a good first experience for a device or maybe they had a bad experience with another device and they just feel safe with apple so they'll buy apple and they'll use it to take pictures and to run apps and to use you know because it just works then there are people who find that the iphone is just too constrained for them they want to tweak they want to be able to customize everything and they're far happier in android because they can control it almost to a bit level they can route it they can do ever they want they could do what you know anyone used to like to build pcs in the 80s can go to town on an android phone but then there are some people this is a group I am in now where you know I used to be that guy but I used to tweak out my trio is to tweak out my pc I'm too tired I have zero time to do that anymore I just want to pick up a phone no it's Kate like no it's set capabilities and have like make it meet what I need but also understand it enough to use it in what it's good at and I can just pick it up and go and I waste zero time and I think depending on where you are on that curve the iphone might not be for you but if it is for you it is as functional as anything else that you could get that's my rant I'm actually done well if you can have you ever picked up an iphone and just saw this thing it just doesn't do what i does it I think geeks mistake their use case for mainstream use case as far as all the time geek solipsism is like one of the biggest problems on the internet like my mom has never picked up an iphone and went oh my god it just doesn't run IRC the way I want it to right yeah now I mean it's I mean their general consumer devices i mean this goes to the i don't know if i don't know where we got cut off earlier but I mean my mom uses an ipad she doesn't use a computer anymore she well i mean she uses a computer the computer is the ipad and i think it's i think it's the same way for a lot of people with the iphone i mean there no i have not picked up the iphone and said i wish this could do this thing unless it was something that I feel like I actually need a computer to do um it's weird I for a little while was the guy who would skin every thing like like when I had a windows machine I would do like you know sort of a pseudo Star Trek The Next Generation skin on everything and then a pseudo Blade Runner and you know after a while and my my not tria what was it called handspring my handspring visor had like mickey mouse buttons on it I mean you know all that stuff was kind of fun but then it also after a while it kind of started to feel cheesy and I'm not saying that now as an apple person I look back on and go that's the other I got bored with it then so I mean the customization part of it doesn't really appeal to me and yeah I mean it's the old Steve Jobs thing it just works I mean I know there have been complaints and I haven't had this personally I know there have been complaints lately about iOS 7 crapping out on people a whole lot um it has not happened to me a whole lot in fact it hasn't happened to me in several months so I can't really speak to that part of it but generally speaking I mean it's sort of like I know what I'm getting with my iPhone when they make improvements the new operating system took a little getting used to the font was a little too thin for me at first people told me how I could make it bigger I tried that turns only like the better thinner so I left it the way it was um now it doesn't it's it has not left me it hasn't left me wanting but I mean part of that also is I am you know this deep in the apple ecosystem at this point I mean the idea of trying to figure out how I could work a windows phone into that or trying to figure out how it could work a you know an android phone into that there may be very easy ways to do it and I may get the same experience in the end but if I'm going to get the same experience in the end I'm just going to stick with what I got Peter you're a geek rage outbursts that I cut you off of well you know I think that um oh yeah you know it's going to go off about geek solecism and and talk about how you know those of us who do this for a living you're very fond of sort of sniffing our own farts and thinking they smell like bouquets and assuming that we've got the right way to do everything you know the we that there's the one true path you know that we understand this technology better than anyone else does in the Edit way we should sort of you know steer the way for everyone else and then there's the real world and the real world is inhabited by people who I like to refer to as muggles you know and these are the general consumers who buy these products who by and larger responsible for the profits that Apple and Samsung and these other companies produce and their use cases for these devices is very very different than ours and and the the way that they interact with their machines and what they expect to get out of their devices is very very different then then how we work with these things and I think we have to really bear that in mind at all times because Apple is not selling products to us per se you know we will buy them regardless Apple is selling products to them and the way that they use these devices is distinctly different and you know for them just sending email can be a mystery sometimes or just accessing you know differentiating Google from the internet is conceptually a mystifying experience I think that that that we often forget in the you know our sort of our little tech bubble just how complicated this technology remains for those people you know it this is not to me at least it's not just an apple thing for example I've been complaining bitterly about Google all day and Kevin Mitchell equai work with reminded me that I have seven google accounts open i have like three different youtube accounts open right now I've my personal gmail account I have my work email account I have one account that we use to you know control specific things like feedburner in the company and that's just not a normal use case no normal human being is going to have that many Google accounts logged in at once so my complaint that the google is not working is it's not working the way that my incredibly edge case may want to do but for the vast majority of people it's working just fine thank you that's actually a very very good point and this is something that we come up against and you know more than anything it goes to reinforce your original point about people complaining the iphone doesn't do what they wanted to do because they're accustomed to to doing something else so the android you know that's why some people jailbreak but the amount of people to jailbreak versus the amount of people who don't jailbreak their phones is infinitesimal yeah it's a tiny niche in you know that's absolutely true the thing that you know ken raised about the respring apple gave a statement to master bowl Trudy Muller of apple gave a statement saying you know they're aware of that issue they're working on a fix iOS 7.1 is now in beta for whether they do with 7.5 to address it faster or they get iOS 7.1 out faster or it just comes when iOS 7.1 comes out Apple's aware of that bug I get it about once a month I did a quick poll of my friends and they get it once or twice a month some people seem to get it daily which must be rage-inducing so I obviously said eyes but we're dealing with devices now that are so complex that there's nothing that I own that has no bug so my criteria now is as devolved into just fix it fast rather than don't let it break to begin with yeah that's a very good point so you know it is what it is though and ultimately apples on the right track when it comes to making this stuff easier to use and for that matter so is Google you know when it comes to android we're consistently seeing some user interface improvements come out of Google and I mean anybody who follows the way that the stuff works understands that Apple borrowed some stuff in iOS 7 you know that it clearly was inspired by Google to do as well so or they both ripped off webos or they both ripped off webos right I'm sure Derek Kessler ed mobile nations will appreciate you saying that Renee so speaking of Android the I'm or Android app is now available in Google Play if for example you have an Android phone but you have an iPad or you have an android phone and an iphone and you want to keep up with I'm or you can do that straight on your android device just go to Google Play search for I'm or you can get that get crackberry android central smartphone fans I think Windows Phone central is coming to sort of the the last thing I wanted to mention is that we are going to be doing Q&A on these podcasts we asked what you guys wanted to see more from us in 2014 and one of the things you said the most was the return of the QA the ask I'm war segment so we're going to do some we already had some emails I've got those ready to go have some people asking questions in the hangouts q add a module we're going to make sure that every week if you have questions you can either send them to us by email in advance or join the show live and put them into the hangouts module we're also going to reward those of you who keep joining us live we're going to have some great packages we have some I'm or t-shirts and pins and tens and things that Michelle is going to send out to people who are here live and we're gonna do some giveaways we do that after this official show ends so if you hang around it's sort of like the Marvel movies where Nick Fury comes out at the end although its giveaways at the end instead of you know fleets other movies so Q&A time I don't know all the answers to these I'm gonna let you guys help one of them was this is from time war will I OS ever let us send files over bluetooth on the iphone 4 my understanding is that it requires that the airdrop protocol on the iphone is different than the one on the mac maddeningly so but it shares the same name but it uses two different systems it uses Bluetooth 4.0 to broadcast and discover and then to initiate the connection then it hands off to why fight for the file transfer that way you get really low energy up front but you get speed when you're actually transferring and the iphone 4 has no bluetooth 4.0 that started with the iphone 4s so I think if you're if you have an iPhone 4 you can find maybe some App Store equivalents maybe you could use Dropbox but I Peter I don't think there's any airdrop for you know airdrop for me specifically no for anyone with an iphone 4 you're gonna have to up the nice thing is that Apple keeps making new phones you always have an excuse to upgrade oh well I use an iPhone 5s yep you can do it not time or can occur alex is asking why doesn't Apple just do a subscriptions like Netflix yeah why doesn't Apple just do subscriptions like Spotify I mean let's start with an easy one I mean Netflix is going to be difficult because of all the problems that we just talked for 20 minutes about with Hollywood right yeah but the labels at least according to anecdotally the labels have been a perder Apple for years to do something like Spotify it's interesting to me Peter that your son is listening to itunes radio because I did for a while and it was neat i actually discovered some new music but you know what i did i went to spotify and built the playlist with the new stuff that I found and pretty much my music discovery stopped again in november i think when i went back to spotify and started listening to the new stuff that i picked up from there um I can't well I would think that Apple might want to do that except then how do they figure out there do they get better return on the thirty percent of the three movies that i bought this month or would they get a better return off what they're charging me I I don't know I'm I'm Hollywood is never gonna let that happen why shouldn't say never but it'll be a while but Disney will be the first one to do it they reportedly been trying I mean we keep seeing these articles in The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg that Apple is negotiating with Hollywood for subscription TV show I mean that rumor went back to the last Apple TV update the 1080p Apple TV update and just no no deal has been reached yeah I I think I said after right after um I read the Walter Isaacson biography that the the I've cracked TVLine may have been Steve Jobs eternal um practical joke like sending people chasing this for at least the next few years I love the idea of like oh wait wait write this down Fermat's Last Theorem but you Steve Jobs something like that well they had TV rentals Peter I think for a day and a half and then those went away yeah well you know the rumor is that Apple's got another Apple TV coming out sometime in the first half of 2014 and you know we'll see what ultimately happens with that but you know will Apple debut some new services when the Apple TV comes out who knows will Apple debut the apple TV SDK when the new Apple TV comes out because that's that's I mean I think Apple gets out of the way honestly I think Apple gets out of the way and let's everybody build their own apps for it kind of like they're starting to do now I mean you you are a subscriber to crunchyroll yes indeed yeah I mean so you're starting to see that now it's just not quite as open as I think people want it to be and I don't think it's ever going to get that open because I mean the Apple TV at least in its current incarnation and in the second generation incarnation is a pretty limited box you know there isn't a lot of space on there for people to to load it up with apps or with different functionality if Apple keeps that you know streaming philosophy alive for the Apple TV going into the future I don't see how they're going to open up an SDK without creating a lot more problems and they're going to solve having said that you know people have have visualized the apple TV as you know this device that I can hook up to the TV that I'm going to be able to play games on from the app store and all this other thing for so long it's hard not to assume that Apple is figuring out a clever way to do that but you know our experience with Apple over all these years has been at Apple oftentimes solves the problem that customers are having without actually giving them what they're asking for hmm we know better we have better to you that is if you know where to look if you look if you know the right people on Twitter and you check out what they're saying there's some amazing engineering talent working on Apple TV right now and that gives me a lot of hope but it's a non-trivial problem to solve because apples got a lot of channel partnerships there and you know HBO is there and you how you manage apps what you allow one is it games only as it games entertainment only do you really want you know a twitter app on your Apple TV they have an SDK Bloomberg talked about how they developed their app you know using the SDK so there's there is stuff going on but I think there'll be a new event in a new box if Apple wants to roll that out we have another question from dallin act Alan on Twitter and I don't I don't even know what this is Peter so I'm gonna punt this to you wouldn't a system like Nintendo 3ds streetpass be awesome for iOS I know okay next okay now do you actually know what 3ds Street passes are you just saying that uh streetpass is uh well yeah I guess it could be kind of cool so let's say that you're with a bunch of your friends and you've got you are actually let's say that you're at like this is the practical example thoughts come up let's say that you're a tack on a convention like my family and I go to and you've all got your 3ds is with you maybe you're at PAX East maybe you're at an anime convention something else if you got your 3ds and you've activated streetpass you can get stuff collectible stuff from people's games without ever having to fire it up and do anything it's just kind of a proximity based data exchange system that the lets people get stuff from one another whether it's like puzzles or collectible characters or other stuff I don't know a Nintendo has a pretty well locked down but Nintendo's get their entire system pretty well locked down I can't imagine that the security team at Apple would look at streetpass and not have a conniption fit about you know the the problems that might occur having said that they surprised me every so often you know when we're seeing bluetooth used for more and more stuff these days I guess it would be possible but it'd be kind of cool you know but it would be very scary i I just I don't know how comfortable I would be about having content changing on my iphone or an ipod touch or an ipad just by walking around near people it seems like a you know invasive it seems invasive to me but the kids love streetpass less i will ask but we'll put it on the site and we'll ask about it niosh wants to know what's next for iCloud I have sort of two thoughts in this I would still love itunes for iCloud sort of like there's I work where we could just stream anything my own on I works without having to you sorry anything we have on itunes without having to use a nap but we could just do it through any browser but i would most you know like all everyone talked about google buying nest last week and nest makes a lot of sense for google no sense for apple but i wish there was a company that Apple could buy that would be like nest for them or like next for them a cloud company that would just instill upon them awesome server side smarts and incredibly smart server people i don't know if it's going to be Bert roster lays up there or if there's any other company it's not drop box because you know maybe they know how to do syncing stuff but they use s3 for their back-end an apple gonna want no part of that Twitter's way too big now I don't know ken is there a server company or a services company that you think would be a good fit for Apple I pass am I allowed to pass yeah I can't think of one either all right yeah nothing leaps to mind Peter anyone you want them to buy no but I agree with what you're saying as good as I cloud has gotten it has huge room for improvement an apple really has to get on the ball as far as that's concerned but right off the top of my head I can't think of anybody out there who I think that it would be a really good match for Apple to acquire and that would you know dramatically improve Apple's DNA overnight on on cloud services okay BEC junior 25 wants to know and I wrote an article about this a while ago about apples smarts like they see remakes the microphone so much smarter because it can do sequential inference and con in its context aware i could do these wonderful things and maybe I forget the name Peter that's the the kinect company that they bought primesense primeSense yes maybe primesense will make the camera smarter but is there a way that all that stuff could be integrated into the apple TV like do we essentially want Syrian primesense in the apple TV the way that Microsoft has connect on the xbox one that's a horrifying idea from my perspective anyway you simply because I mean you know if you take a look at the xbox one you've got this omnipresent device that knows where you are and it's got enough it's got fine enough resolution in the camera to know when your heartbeat is elevated and all this other stuff Xbox one is getting a little creepy and maybe I'm kind of a grumpy old man at this point I just I don't want my appliances watching me you know what you don't want the world watching you dance naked in front of the kitchen well you know it's like the old rock rock well song right you know you know hey I just you know I always feel like somebody's watching me and I've got no privacy you know I just don't like that idea can do us motor sensors um I want smarter Siri I want more I want more ubiquitous Siri I wanted to be able to follow may not have to hold up my phone for it or you know push a button boy um sort of like always listening on google now well kinda yeah but at the same time that does creep me out ken what Scarlett Johansson well my eight-year-old godson yesterday told me I love series so much when I grow up I want to make one that works all the time hmm there you go yeah well that's and well well who that is creepy isn't it yeah now what I want is something like in in the short-lived series caprica he had the little robot that he could just talk to all the time and I think even whether the robot was there or not it was still sort of monitoring but he still sort of like the whole you know Google do this google do that with class that kind of thing i would like something that i could address and maybe well i guess i just want to get over my fear and trust the technology because i would like something that i could just talk to and have it talk back to me at the same time I don't want something listening all the time but you know just read any read The Guardian and something's listening all the time anyway so seriously it might as well it might as well also tell me something do you guys have any social anxiety about using Syrian public oh yeah no I walk through the mall using Siri has spoiled me for typing I am so lazy now that my social anxiety is just dwarfed by my laziness I'll walk through the mall just talking into Syria it's ridiculous I only know what do you do you find yourself holding your phone differently when you talk to Siri compared to actually like talking to somebody I hold on right in front of my face just so that Sergey can really hear me right there's this weird thing that we do where we kind of speak to Siri this way but we speak to normal humans this way what is that about I don't understand it now I'm going to be self-conscious thank you Peter to me it's about the fact that i can't get Syria to say what it's going to say to me through the through the earpiece like if I held it up if I you know talk to it and then held it like this because I still do that look if I tell it to call my wife I'll you know push the thing and I'll say Siri called Susan and then you know and then immediately put it up to my face to to start the call and then series like yelling out the bottom of it that it's calling her and so that's part of what makes me feel self-conscious about it I feel better about it when I have my headphones in not going back to Ken's point before I just watched the premiere and I'm a little bit behind that new TV series intelligence where the guy's basically got a chip in his brain that sticks google in it and it reminded me of that old dune saying you know look into that place you dare not look and you will find me there staring back at you because you know if he's hooked up to Google Google's hooked up to him and I we were talking about this earlier when some people had a negative reaction to nest you know maybe giving Google your information and I know if Syracuse I mentioned it you know whether they're going to need HIPAA guidelines for things like privacy because I'll know so much about you but it's totally unregulated and maybe them knowing this stuff is not bad but there should be regulations that they can only use it for our benefit and it can't be shared with anyone beyond our one-on-one relationship yo that's only as good as I mean that's only as good as what it's written today though right I mean everybody gets comfortable with the changes that Facebook just made them facebook makes the changes again everybody freaks out again I mean it was great it took exactly one week for Tony Fadell to say we're never going to share your information to saying well if we ever do is share your information will make it you know we'll make it transparent will make sure that it's opt-in well my thermostat didn't used to have a 30 page and user license agreement and I didn't used to have to go to it every six months and make sure that I haven't suddenly given away all of my information because I want to change it 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further north than i am but yeah once it once it got down to seven degrees yeah Mr Freeze came out we'll see what happens Peter where can people find you on a large are on Twitter at flora flarg H on I'm or occasionally on America's Most Wanted or the FBI top 10 most wanted list nice and he means that only slightly jokingly you can find me at Rene Ritchie for more great videos just go to youtube.com slash I more videos and it's a subscribe button if you haven't already please go to iTunes please leave a review and a rating it helps iTunes promote us which means more great people like you can find us and we always appreciate that stick around if you're here alive we have more to come otherwise I'll talk to everybody next week thanks Ken thanks Peter thanks alright so here is what to do if you are still watching just send an email to contests with an S at I'm more calm contests with an S at I'm more calm we will pick five people and Michelle will send you a swag bag which has like 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was blocked and then it got rid of the stop broadcast button so i couldn't even stop the show so he started another one and went on from there well I'm so again I'm sorry for being late but I guess I'm not too sorry and in retrospect because everything worked out in the end and you didn't have to flip any tables indeed indeed alright thanks Peter i'll see you on the flip side thank you everybody bye youhey everyone it is Thursday January 23 2014 I'm Rene Ritchie and today we are going to be celebrating 30 years of mac this is the imore show joining us today a man who loves the mac so much he has OS ken in his name ken ray how are you I'm doing all right Renee how are you very well thank you know I've had the pleasure of being on a show with you on you know on macbreak weekly with you before butts your first time on the I'm washer thank you so much for joining us thanks for having me i do appreciate it it's always fun to sort of crawl out of your comfort zone anytime there's a camera pointed at me I'm out of my comfort zone but hopefully it ends up being okay so we'll find out 2014 the year of video ken no no I flirted with that idea in 2007 and then realized not just be me staring at the camera kinda like I am now yeah no I'm not I'm not into it oh yeah well the way we do the the developer and designer interview shows audio only and not live because most of them have never podcasted before and it's just one too many levels of stress to put him in front of a live camera sure sure I get that I get that although I guess I did um 2009 I was on TV TV like on Kron in San Francisco I was like this guy that they were talking to actually the ass the expert segment I guess I kind of snuck in on that one um and I didn't freeze up so who knows I might maybe that'll be 2014 will be the year of the freeze up though maybe I'll try something completely different no so you are and you're still doing the mac OS can show and yes you want to talk about your other show right now well who's your the show well it's not a show I've actually I'm doing a thing now called a chart magazine which is taking the content that I do every day that I've been doing every day for eight years this weekend Mac OS can turns eight on sunday so of course no show um but the content that I'm doing for eight years i'm taking that daily content and putting it on to newsstand iOS newsstand I chart ey e I chart it's kind of for people who want to companion to mac OS can there have been a lot of people who've said how can I go back and find this story well the story is there and it's presented in a pleasant format you know pictures and words and all that fun stuff and the idea is it's going to grow into more I'm starting with the same script that I've been you know doing forever presented in sort of a different way um and the plan is to add features and you know other stuff and reader mail and you know all those things I want to grow it into a magazine but right now it's starting with that I kind of think of it as a newsletter in a way I mean the kind of newsletters that you know people used to get by email but in in lovely perfect for ipad form well I think it's a fabulous I mean we've done a few transcripts for debug and iterating one of that was just for accessibility because not everyone can listen to a podcast but the people who can't listen can often you know read them and we toyed with throwing them in iBooks or something but I think that's it's not only a great way to serve your existing audience but it's a great way to reach even more people yeah fingers crossed that was all like a passage of input devices for you can thank you very much I appreciate that so you said eight years old the mac is going to be turning 30 years old I that I can't believe it it's like it's finished college it's got a postgraduate degree it's probably settled down and it might be having kids sometime soon well it's had plenty of kids hasn't it means got it had the ipod it had the the iphones got the ipad I mean and that's sort of the progression right and then there's this whole and the talk of the ipad pro or whatever the 13-inch thing that's going to come back around and confuse us oh it as a tablet this is a computer I don't know what it is okay it's a tab puter it's a hooter uh well it's not much worse than phablet hello blown I don't know something like that so Peter who's gonna join us in progress as soon as he gets back he put up a post about our fondest memories of mac and I have to confess I my first computer was an apple too plus with the big old green CRT and the disk drive that was as big as your head and you had to flip flop ease all the time and then I got into das boxes and windows boxes and it wasn't until OS I had a pro forma when I was in high school but I had an Amiga too and i used the amiga more often because you know non Steve Jobs years but i only got back into the mac seriously when vista came out and i got a brand new dell laptop that was shipped to me without driver support for the a card that was in it and I through a rage at work and I said that's it I want something that works and they gave me a 17-inch MacBook Pro running tiger I think back then and I have not looked back since yeah yeah now I am I good grief I don't even know I mean I remember the very first time I played with any computer at all it was one that um a friend of mine had gotten seriously when his family subscribed to Time magazine you remember they used to it was about this big I think and we we literally wrote a 10 line basic program that max it out max I dad's memory and his parents were both professors and they you know had this idea that computers might be something at some point so within a month I think of going to his house and and playing with that little you know free with your subscription computer i went back and there was a mac and that was kind of stunning he and i had taken programming classes basic programming classes on apple to at some point but the thing is once I saw the Mac the whole idea of you know things like the command line and things like learning to program and all that stuff I feel terrible but it all went away because here was this thing that did you know what I wanted it to do and it's not like well it's like Steve Jobs always said right it basically got out of the way the computer then got out of the way and let me do what I wanted to I started you know doing art stuff and things like that didn't have a Mac of my own but I actually published my my youth group newsletter on somebody else's Mac that I knew so i did desktop publishing very early and then got away from all of it entirely for a number of years and yeah sort of did the same thing went to work and you know once i went to work everybody had windows and so I sort of fell away from the mac but any chance there was to play with one like I was at aol's corporate offices one time an AOL had these computers where you could check your email in their corporate in their in their lobby and they had like 10 windows machines and two of the Bondi blue imax or maybe three and having not used a mac in probably five years at that point I still went over to that one because it was it was still the intriguing thing and I had much better memories of using him back then all the years that I've been using you know windows at that point the people that I was with looked at me like I was an idiot because they're like well I wouldn't understand what to do and I'm like it's checking email when my father left IBM he started a consulting company that he ironically later sold to IBM but in those few years in between they had a Lisa at the office and I remember sitting down in front of it and thinking how fun it was to drag all the documents into the trash can and I was never allowed touching it again after I would imagine yeah that would be kind of began in bad yeah I bet then so with all of that so well with all that stuff my favorite one honestly still even though I'm sitting in front of a very nice 13-inch MacBook Pro my favorite mac is the 12 inch powerbook g4 and I think it it's partly because the thing had heft but it was still very compact but the other thing was it was the first Mac that I ever owned it was the one that it was my entry into that not not cutting the ipod or other people's max I'd played with in the past I heard a lot of people who love that computer even people who now have the same 13-inch retina MacBook Pro that you have and they still really want the 12-inch back does that one is make that big of a difference um somehow yes I don't well not mean more I mean here's the thing i'm wearing a pair of reading glasses now because i can't read without them so honestly I won't be going smaller than a 13 inch and honestly my next computer might be a 15 inch just because I'm finding that I need more real estate especially doing things like doing things like I chart and stuff like that um but yeah it was just a great little machine I don't know I don't know what it is and yet there's something about the heft of it like my father-in-law just got a 13-inch macbook air okay hey doesn't work for me and and it's fine I mean it's a good machine he loves it and and I know everybody thinks they're great but it's it's it's too thin I'm I need I need just a tiny bit more and I don't know what that is even though it's not there's no difference as far as the performance as far as i can tell except of course my macbook pro does not have a flash drive so it's not quite as fast i guess the macbook air would be but yeah there was there was something about the UM there was something about that powerbook in fact i was sitting years ago but years after the powerbook was an old machine i was sitting in the theater at the sem disco store I'm theoretically learning something but really just checking email and killing time to let him meet somebody and the presenter like between presentations that he was doing came over and he was like that that machine that you have there that is the best Mac they ever made I'm like okay well I think so too but so many people love it it's amazing I started with the 17 inch and I demanded the I sound so demanding but I was a designer at the time and I I just lived in front of pixels I did the more pixels on the screen the better from you at a Wacom tablet multiple monitors but I wanted when I was traveling to just have maximum pixel count so that's what I got and I would look that battleship around with me you know back-breaking Lee everywhere but then i started i went to a 15 inch eventually because Apple stopped making the 17 inch and then I got an a I got the Haswell macbook air because the minute they said 12 hours of battery life um I I just fell in love with that idea but when i use it i want my 15 inch macbook pro and when I use my 15 inch macbook pro I want that macbook air so I'm thinking of ending up on the 13-inch macbook pro next year that you're using hmm yeah well this one actually this one's a couple of years old so it's not the retina display but oh well one makes do well I mean like the I notice it now on the macbook air because there are some pros and cons some people find the retina display is really heavy I mean uses a lot more battery life maybe broad well we'll fix that when intel pushes that out this year but for now the 13-inch retina MacBook Pro is essentially a retina air some people don't care some people like the old pixels because they can actually see pixels and that's you know reassuring I I just like the idea of that whole processor architecture with the PCIe you know flash memory it's so fast and the computers there's basically if taken away everything from that computer that's not performance-based hmm now here's the question I have for you and I mean as somebody who eats sleeps and breathes all this can you ever see a time where you're not going to be using a laptop the ipad does the ipad ever get powerful enough for you or you still going to need that you know that tactile I need my keys and then the follow-up question is is that because you're set in your ways or because they're they're actually our use case differences so I never thought I would not use a desktop I mean I was just so used to top computers not i had an imac later on and just the idea of that much brute power being there and having all those disks and all that space even right now I'm sitting on top of a first-generation nehalem Mac Pro and it it's got eight cores and my laptop is faster than this is now ironic right but it's still there and I didn't think that mobile would catch up and it did the ipad i use it for a lot of things but they're very different like there's things that i can do in an ipad that i would never imagine doing on a Mac like I close my Mac slid to read at CES I put up an article about how we used ipad mini's as essentially broadcast cameras because the screen is big enough to be a like if you're not familiar that people do photography with little things like iPhones but when you're broadcasting if you have a regular-sized camera you'll often put a small HD monitor on top because it lets you get focused perfect that lets you set scenes very easily and we had an ipad mini with a lens attachment on it and we could do close-ups you could have cameras broadcasting signals back without wires you just can't do that with traditional photography gear so I can see all these new use cases but for just writing I like the idea of a keyboard and a mac and i live in Photoshop and I live in Final Cut Pro yeah and I movie is great GarageBand is great on the iPad but my muscle memory is just built for doing those things the way I learned them yeah I do all of my podcasting with adobe audition I know I'm supposed to get off adobe and all that stuff but i do oh my i do all my editing audio editing for three or four different shows with adobe audition and I've you just for fun tried to come up with something that would even come close to it on the ipad and it's it's not fun so you know the fun ended quickly and i and and i go back to my mac I mean honestly to if it comes to a point where adobe audition without having to sign up for their you know whatever their cloud $99 whatever you know pay me forever to use this software and this computer may I may eventually strip everything off of this computer except for adobe audition I could see using this five or seven years from now if suddenly if suddenly I can't keep using the version of audition that I use from my cold dead hands what I'm saying Renee no I understand like if you have to jump through hoops to force a device into your workflow then that might not be the device we I love hammers and I love screwdrivers I don't need to hammer nails to the screwdriver I wow that's kind of e so you mentioned your favorite was the titanium macbook we've been talking about I like the idea that Apple is so audacious with the max that they're not some companies they'll have a success almost like the old apple they drove the Apple to line into the dirt and almost took the company with it I like the idea that apple would make the mac that they would make the all-in-one imac that they would then you take that best-selling computer and make it a display on a giant ET neck and then you know they'll make it then just a screen that they'll make a new mac pro with a massive thermal core I like that they're not afraid to take risks with the mac product line yeah um I don't always agree with it I mean honestly i sort of miss I miss being able to choose between black and white on a computer which maybe is crazy but um I did the et next you're talking about I I never that that I never warmed to that at all and I know there were lots of people thought it was wonderful but I it it that one never really SAT well was me but yeah I mean that that is kind of a cool thing they're not afraid at all to blow out what they've got I mean even heard Tim Cook say that a little bit this year no this is not the mac but you heard him say that a little bit this year kind of repeating what Steve Jobs did with the with the ipod mini saying the iPhone 5 is the most successful phone we've ever had so say goodbye to it because now we have the ascent course you're only kinda saying goodbye to the iphone 5 but yeah they're not afraid there what's the Stephen King one or what's not Stephen King heal your six yes yes he quotes that line quite a bit but yeah you know don't be so in love with the success that you had that you're afraid to try something else and they're certainly not that at least not these days so Peter for like a year I was bought by blu-rays because I like directors commentary and you never and I also like the making of stuff and itunes extras is still not on the appletv shame on you Apple I mean they built that stuff put it on the Apple TV but you would never know what you would get so I still buy the blu rays and for a while they would give you the itune download code along with it but it was the SD version not the HD version and now they have ultra violet and I looked into it and every provider has a different cockamamie implementation of it and wants you to jump into a different hope to be able to watch it and it just reminded me once again that Hollywood remains the single most consumer hostile business that all of us love on this planet video is actually the one that bothers me the most and that kind of thing that you're talking about I'm like you're 13 year old almost everything I listened to his on Spotify right now and before that it was Rhapsody and and they'd Spotify because I actually do like the discoverability of what my friends are listening to there are a few people that I know who listen to music that I don't know but I would like to know more about so every now and then I cruise their playlist and see what they're listening to and I learn more that way video I I'm actually I'm ashamed to say that I'm kind of like well I'm a channel flipper sometimes out like I'll just find something to get fixated on it and I also discover a lot of really interesting stuff on netflix most of my video watching is done streaming at this point but I get very sort of there are some movies that I just will watch repeatedly watch repeatedly watch repeatedly and those I'll buy because the first time you go to Netflix it's not there anymore and like there are some things and it's you know it's tough to have on in the background it's it's like Pacific Rim like I bought Pacific Rim recently and the reason I bought Pacific Rim is because it's awesome because it's the greatest movie ever made well one of them yeah but come on yeah exactly I can't remember the character's name yep Idris Elba though I mean come on seriously i bought Pacific Herman actually Pacific Rim is the last movie i can remember buying in a very long time because well Renee will tell you I was you know tumescent with joy when that movie you know was getting ready to be released i was absolutely it just spoke to me he was running through the press room going kaiju kaiju it's true but um so I have a have very specific ways that i watch video and I can't be without it I mean that's that's basically there are a few movies that it's like that has to be on in the background if I'm doing this like writing my show there are like five different movies that play while I'm writing my show and for a while I relied on netflix for that but their deals end and and then suddenly it goes away now of course I guess they could pull whatever movie it is that i buy from itunes one day and i won't have access to it anymore but i'll trust for the time being that that won't happen and these are the choice to download it if you want to not since the music business has there been someone like that music this is where i'm free and movies are the opposite of that I mean I have so much rage I could be a kaiju my rage level is so high okay well what do you suppose that's about though you all heard that story I know about the guy who has the prescription google glass right and so he went to the movie yes and and he was wearing his google glass glasses whatever it's called but he wasn't recording it was just because the Tulsa was prescription glasses and ends up being sweated by the feds for like what an hour two hours something like that how did that happen how did that actually happen how did this guy go from I'm going to a movie too I'm gonna sit and be questioned by the FBI wasn't an usher and why did the usher care I mean I'm there's there's there's it's not just that that Hollywood is angry but I mean they got those right i remember when shorts integra was governor of california he came to canada on a state visit and he basically said canada you're stealing our movies you have to stop it you're stealing our movies it was that was the purpose of his visit not trade not you know relations it was you damn canadian stop stealing our movies you know as far as the google glass thing is concerned on one hand i think it's kind of schadenfreude i'm not really that disappointed to see a glass whole get her ass it's true it's a good if it's a true story on the other hand it makes me wonder what's going to happen when I mean you know Google glass is pretty conspicuous it's pretty obvious right now when you've got google glass on and you know I some people obviously take offense to it some people don't like the idea of having their image recorded without their permission or you know and in this guy situation assuming this this story is not apocryphal that you know that he's doing something that he shouldn't be doing but what happens when the technology gets many miniaturized to the point where um we don't know that people are doing this sort of stuff anymore were where personal personal surveillance is just sort of you know par for course I mean we saw products at CES this year that you know cameras that you just sort of attached to your lapel like la buttons that look like buttons and they record continuously throughout the day and they enable you to photo blog or photo journal continuously throughout the day you know we're really fast approaching that at that inflection point where these devices are going to be too small to really be noticeable and then what do we do you know it's I think it's just another practical example of where technology is sort of exceeding culture and society's ability to sort of assimilate what the practical implementations or implications rather of an are and it's you know where we r you know monkeys with nuclear weapons all of a sudden bring that back around though if you could too the drm discussion that we're having I mean are you saying that the lapel pin get so good at some point that the movie that somebody records from the a throw or the tenth row your google contact something along those lines yeah I mean I'm question no question at all that that's the direction that we're headed in ok so then what happens so does that what makes Hollywood play nicer I mean the only thing that made the music industry play any nicer with consumers is is basically being destroyed by itunes right i mean and not destroyed i mean they we all speak in the hyperbole the music industry speaks and because the music industry spoke and that's so long and so effectively they weren't destroyed they were not doing as well as they were doing before but they are much they're much they're a kinder gentler industry now as far as the consumer is concerned because they kind of had to be they think we're going to protect what they had they failed to strap a cash register onto Napster which ended up almost destroying their business through piracy and then they went to iTunes as their salvation but it decoupled their album model and made them dependent on signal singles which they were not used to being dependent on and now they both love itunes for saving their lives and hate it for making them living a subsistence level well going along with that you know can i think that the point here is that there there's got to be some disruption point that affects the way that the businesses that that the business is done right you know as Renee points out with music it was you know the introduction of itunes and the influence that itunes had on the music industry at the time you know where Apple was able to push back and say look we really got to shake the drm off of this or you're gonna kill the goose that laid the golden egg I think hope if dad hasn't happened yet in video I think that was so I think what happened was Steve Jobs convince them that they were competing with free and they had to have a fair service to compete against free which was piracy then they decided they hated iTunes enough that they would give Amazon drm free music in an attempt to compete with itunes and then Apple made when the iphone came along they saw that they were smart enough to see that coming and they exchanged 3g availability for drm with apple so i think like to both of your points i think they've never understood the future of their business they've always been afraid and held on to their old models and it's only when they were really really more afraid and maybe netflix does that maybe video piracy through google contacts does that but i think you know can i think you're right i think there'll be a certain point where they understand that they have to be nice to people to survive building it that's that's kind of my question i mean what's the thing that nearly Rex Hollywood before Hollywood starts being a bit more consumer-friendly and the interesting thing about Netflix is if you take a look at how Netflix is as evolved netflix doesn't really represent that much of a threat to the movie industry as much as it does to the television industry you know it's it's sort of dividing and conquering that way it's producing its own original content it's getting other companies into that business where they may not have been that strong before and it's it's proving that there's a viable alternative to the traditional TV studio system you know for getting quality content produced that people will pay to consume you know house of cards orange is the new black you know there's all the stuff that you can watch on Netflix that you have to pay for a netflix subscription to see but you know ultimately is exclusive to net and that you can't see anywhere else that's how Netflix is building its value up to consumers and that's again having it having an effect in a market that maybe a year or two ago we wouldn't have said thought the netflix had any place in at the table at all because netflix is business was still very much dependent on you know striking content deals with movie studios you know when you say it that way they are actually following the HBO model I mean HBO started off with just showing in movies right and then eventually I can't remember what the first HBO series was the first one I remember was Tanner in 88 although I guess maybe not necessarily the news and stuff like that was also part of that but netflix is kind of go in the same way they started off with you know movies that were several years old that most people wouldn't want to watch but they already had netflix account anyway so the two work together right I mean you were getting the DVD so you got the streaming for free that's kinda switched over and now it's really interesting I hadn't hadn't thought about that but they're they're following the HBO model fairly closely they're being much more consumer-friendly about it you don't have to have a cable subscription and put it they don't have the legacy bad days at HBO is carrying around with them so they're very dexterous mmm-hmm I've sort of another question so this is the other knock that I think is hitting Apple the first one and I apologize if Google cut if the Hangout cut out again on anybody so we're talking about two things that I think people have been you know unfairly knocking apple for and I said I prefer people knock Apple where it actually hurts rather than just randomly and one was drm because as a Canadian I can't get amazon and if I have a Windows Phone you know I can't get google services either so everything is a lock in the other one is that Apple is not functional enough the iphone is not functional enough and mostly this is from android users who pick up an iphone for a few minutes and trying to get into it and they think oh I can't do exactly what I could do on my android and I have this this idea in my mind I want to run it past you guys so I have this idea that there are different sorts of stages of phone owners and the first one is I'm going into the carrier I want a free phone I've heard phones can do facebook now just give me that free phone and inevitably they get the free phone which is typically an Android device of some kind and they use it for texts and Facebook and they're happy then there are people who want their first smartphone and they're kind of nervous about it and they understand value apple is a good first experience for a device or maybe they had a bad experience with another device and they just feel safe with apple so they'll buy apple and they'll use it to take pictures and to run apps and to use you know because it just works then there are people who find that the iphone is just too constrained for them they want to tweak they want to be able to customize everything and they're far happier in android because they can control it almost to a bit level they can route it they can do ever they want they could do what you know anyone used to like to build pcs in the 80s can go to town on an android phone but then there are some people this is a group I am in now where you know I used to be that guy but I used to tweak out my trio is to tweak out my pc I'm too tired I have zero time to do that anymore I just want to pick up a phone no it's Kate like no it's set capabilities and have like make it meet what I need but also understand it enough to use it in what it's good at and I can just pick it up and go and I waste zero time and I think depending on where you are on that curve the iphone might not be for you but if it is for you it is as functional as anything else that you could get that's my rant I'm actually done well if you can have you ever picked up an iphone and just saw this thing it just doesn't do what i does it I think geeks mistake their use case for mainstream use case as far as all the time geek solipsism is like one of the biggest problems on the internet like my mom has never picked up an iphone and went oh my god it just doesn't run IRC the way I want it to right yeah now I mean it's I mean their general consumer devices i mean this goes to the i don't know if i don't know where we got cut off earlier but I mean my mom uses an ipad she doesn't use a computer anymore she well i mean she uses a computer the computer is the ipad and i think it's i think it's the same way for a lot of people with the iphone i mean there no i have not picked up the iphone and said i wish this could do this thing unless it was something that I feel like I actually need a computer to do um it's weird I for a little while was the guy who would skin every thing like like when I had a windows machine I would do like you know sort of a pseudo Star Trek The Next Generation skin on everything and then a pseudo Blade Runner and you know after a while and my my not tria what was it called handspring my handspring visor had like mickey mouse buttons on it I mean you know all that stuff was kind of fun but then it also after a while it kind of started to feel cheesy and I'm not saying that now as an apple person I look back on and go that's the other I got bored with it then so I mean the customization part of it doesn't really appeal to me and yeah I mean it's the old Steve Jobs thing it just works I mean I know there have been complaints and I haven't had this personally I know there have been complaints lately about iOS 7 crapping out on people a whole lot um it has not happened to me a whole lot in fact it hasn't happened to me in several months so I can't really speak to that part of it but generally speaking I mean it's sort of like I know what I'm getting with my iPhone when they make improvements the new operating system took a little getting used to the font was a little too thin for me at first people told me how I could make it bigger I tried that turns only like the better thinner so I left it the way it was um now it doesn't it's it has not left me it hasn't left me wanting but I mean part of that also is I am you know this deep in the apple ecosystem at this point I mean the idea of trying to figure out how I could work a windows phone into that or trying to figure out how it could work a you know an android phone into that there may be very easy ways to do it and I may get the same experience in the end but if I'm going to get the same experience in the end I'm just going to stick with what I got Peter you're a geek rage outbursts that I cut you off of well you know I think that um oh yeah you know it's going to go off about geek solecism and and talk about how you know those of us who do this for a living you're very fond of sort of sniffing our own farts and thinking they smell like bouquets and assuming that we've got the right way to do everything you know the we that there's the one true path you know that we understand this technology better than anyone else does in the Edit way we should sort of you know steer the way for everyone else and then there's the real world and the real world is inhabited by people who I like to refer to as muggles you know and these are the general consumers who buy these products who by and larger responsible for the profits that Apple and Samsung and these other companies produce and their use cases for these devices is very very different than ours and and the the way that they interact with their machines and what they expect to get out of their devices is very very different then then how we work with these things and I think we have to really bear that in mind at all times because Apple is not selling products to us per se you know we will buy them regardless Apple is selling products to them and the way that they use these devices is distinctly different and you know for them just sending email can be a mystery sometimes or just accessing you know differentiating Google from the internet is conceptually a mystifying experience I think that that that we often forget in the you know our sort of our little tech bubble just how complicated this technology remains for those people you know it this is not to me at least it's not just an apple thing for example I've been complaining bitterly about Google all day and Kevin Mitchell equai work with reminded me that I have seven google accounts open i have like three different youtube accounts open right now I've my personal gmail account I have my work email account I have one account that we use to you know control specific things like feedburner in the company and that's just not a normal use case no normal human being is going to have that many Google accounts logged in at once so my complaint that the google is not working is it's not working the way that my incredibly edge case may want to do but for the vast majority of people it's working just fine thank you that's actually a very very good point and this is something that we come up against and you know more than anything it goes to reinforce your original point about people complaining the iphone doesn't do what they wanted to do because they're accustomed to to doing something else so the android you know that's why some people jailbreak but the amount of people to jailbreak versus the amount of people who don't jailbreak their phones is infinitesimal yeah it's a tiny niche in you know that's absolutely true the thing that you know ken raised about the respring apple gave a statement to master bowl Trudy Muller of apple gave a statement saying you know they're aware of that issue they're working on a fix iOS 7.1 is now in beta for whether they do with 7.5 to address it faster or they get iOS 7.1 out faster or it just comes when iOS 7.1 comes out Apple's aware of that bug I get it about once a month I did a quick poll of my friends and they get it once or twice a month some people seem to get it daily which must be rage-inducing so I obviously said eyes but we're dealing with devices now that are so complex that there's nothing that I own that has no bug so my criteria now is as devolved into just fix it fast rather than don't let it break to begin with yeah that's a very good point so you know it is what it is though and ultimately apples on the right track when it comes to making this stuff easier to use and for that matter so is Google you know when it comes to android we're consistently seeing some user interface improvements come out of Google and I mean anybody who follows the way that the stuff works understands that Apple borrowed some stuff in iOS 7 you know that it clearly was inspired by Google to do as well so or they both ripped off webos or they both ripped off webos right I'm sure Derek Kessler ed mobile nations will appreciate you saying that Renee so speaking of Android the I'm or Android app is now available in Google Play if for example you have an Android phone but you have an iPad or you have an android phone and an iphone and you want to keep up with I'm or you can do that straight on your android device just go to Google Play search for I'm or you can get that get crackberry android central smartphone fans I think Windows Phone central is coming to sort of the the last thing I wanted to mention is that we are going to be doing Q&A on these podcasts we asked what you guys wanted to see more from us in 2014 and one of the things you said the most was the return of the QA the ask I'm war segment so we're going to do some we already had some emails I've got those ready to go have some people asking questions in the hangouts q add a module we're going to make sure that every week if you have questions you can either send them to us by email in advance or join the show live and put them into the hangouts module we're also going to reward those of you who keep joining us live we're going to have some great packages we have some I'm or t-shirts and pins and tens and things that Michelle is going to send out to people who are here live and we're gonna do some giveaways we do that after this official show ends so if you hang around it's sort of like the Marvel movies where Nick Fury comes out at the end although its giveaways at the end instead of you know fleets other movies so Q&A time I don't know all the answers to these I'm gonna let you guys help one of them was this is from time war will I OS ever let us send files over bluetooth on the iphone 4 my understanding is that it requires that the airdrop protocol on the iphone is different than the one on the mac maddeningly so but it shares the same name but it uses two different systems it uses Bluetooth 4.0 to broadcast and discover and then to initiate the connection then it hands off to why fight for the file transfer that way you get really low energy up front but you get speed when you're actually transferring and the iphone 4 has no bluetooth 4.0 that started with the iphone 4s so I think if you're if you have an iPhone 4 you can find maybe some App Store equivalents maybe you could use Dropbox but I Peter I don't think there's any airdrop for you know airdrop for me specifically no for anyone with an iphone 4 you're gonna have to up the nice thing is that Apple keeps making new phones you always have an excuse to upgrade oh well I use an iPhone 5s yep you can do it not time or can occur alex is asking why doesn't Apple just do a subscriptions like Netflix yeah why doesn't Apple just do subscriptions like Spotify I mean let's start with an easy one I mean Netflix is going to be difficult because of all the problems that we just talked for 20 minutes about with Hollywood right yeah but the labels at least according to anecdotally the labels have been a perder Apple for years to do something like Spotify it's interesting to me Peter that your son is listening to itunes radio because I did for a while and it was neat i actually discovered some new music but you know what i did i went to spotify and built the playlist with the new stuff that I found and pretty much my music discovery stopped again in november i think when i went back to spotify and started listening to the new stuff that i picked up from there um I can't well I would think that Apple might want to do that except then how do they figure out there do they get better return on the thirty percent of the three movies that i bought this month or would they get a better return off what they're charging me I I don't know I'm I'm Hollywood is never gonna let that happen why shouldn't say never but it'll be a while but Disney will be the first one to do it they reportedly been trying I mean we keep seeing these articles in The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg that Apple is negotiating with Hollywood for subscription TV show I mean that rumor went back to the last Apple TV update the 1080p Apple TV update and just no no deal has been reached yeah I I think I said after right after um I read the Walter Isaacson biography that the the I've cracked TVLine may have been Steve Jobs eternal um practical joke like sending people chasing this for at least the next few years I love the idea of like oh wait wait write this down Fermat's Last Theorem but you Steve Jobs something like that well they had TV rentals Peter I think for a day and a half and then those went away yeah well you know the rumor is that Apple's got another Apple TV coming out sometime in the first half of 2014 and you know we'll see what ultimately happens with that but you know will Apple debut some new services when the Apple TV comes out who knows will Apple debut the apple TV SDK when the new Apple TV comes out because that's that's I mean I think Apple gets out of the way honestly I think Apple gets out of the way and let's everybody build their own apps for it kind of like they're starting to do now I mean you you are a subscriber to crunchyroll yes indeed yeah I mean so you're starting to see that now it's just not quite as open as I think people want it to be and I don't think it's ever going to get that open because I mean the Apple TV at least in its current incarnation and in the second generation incarnation is a pretty limited box you know there isn't a lot of space on there for people to to load it up with apps or with different functionality if Apple keeps that you know streaming philosophy alive for the Apple TV going into the future I don't see how they're going to open up an SDK without creating a lot more problems and they're going to solve having said that you know people have have visualized the apple TV as you know this device that I can hook up to the TV that I'm going to be able to play games on from the app store and all this other thing for so long it's hard not to assume that Apple is figuring out a clever way to do that but you know our experience with Apple over all these years has been at Apple oftentimes solves the problem that customers are having without actually giving them what they're asking for hmm we know better we have better to you that is if you know where to look if you look if you know the right people on Twitter and you check out what they're saying there's some amazing engineering talent working on Apple TV right now and that gives me a lot of hope but it's a non-trivial problem to solve because apples got a lot of channel partnerships there and you know HBO is there and you how you manage apps what you allow one is it games only as it games entertainment only do you really want you know a twitter app on your Apple TV they have an SDK Bloomberg talked about how they developed their app you know using the SDK so there's there is stuff going on but I think there'll be a new event in a new box if Apple wants to roll that out we have another question from dallin act Alan on Twitter and I don't I don't even know what this is Peter so I'm gonna punt this to you wouldn't a system like Nintendo 3ds streetpass be awesome for iOS I know okay next okay now do you actually know what 3ds Street passes are you just saying that uh streetpass is uh well yeah I guess it could be kind of cool so let's say that you're with a bunch of your friends and you've got you are actually let's say that you're at like this is the practical example thoughts come up let's say that you're a tack on a convention like my family and I go to and you've all got your 3ds is with you maybe you're at PAX East maybe you're at an anime convention something else if you got your 3ds and you've activated streetpass you can get stuff collectible stuff from people's games without ever having to fire it up and do anything it's just kind of a proximity based data exchange system that the lets people get stuff from one another whether it's like puzzles or collectible characters or other stuff I don't know a Nintendo has a pretty well locked down but Nintendo's get their entire system pretty well locked down I can't imagine that the security team at Apple would look at streetpass and not have a conniption fit about you know the the problems that might occur having said that they surprised me every so often you know when we're seeing bluetooth used for more and more stuff these days I guess it would be possible but it'd be kind of cool you know but it would be very scary i I just I don't know how comfortable I would be about having content changing on my iphone or an ipod touch or an ipad just by walking around near people it seems like a you know invasive it seems invasive to me but the kids love streetpass less i will ask but we'll put it on the site and we'll ask about it niosh wants to know what's next for iCloud I have sort of two thoughts in this I would still love itunes for iCloud sort of like there's I work where we could just stream anything my own on I works without having to you sorry anything we have on itunes without having to use a nap but we could just do it through any browser but i would most you know like all everyone talked about google buying nest last week and nest makes a lot of sense for google no sense for apple but i wish there was a company that Apple could buy that would be like nest for them or like next for them a cloud company that would just instill upon them awesome server side smarts and incredibly smart server people i don't know if it's going to be Bert roster lays up there or if there's any other company it's not drop box because you know maybe they know how to do syncing stuff but they use s3 for their back-end an apple gonna want no part of that Twitter's way too big now I don't know ken is there a server company or a services company that you think would be a good fit for Apple I pass am I allowed to pass yeah I can't think of one either all right yeah nothing leaps to mind Peter anyone you want them to buy no but I agree with what you're saying as good as I cloud has gotten it has huge room for improvement an apple really has to get on the ball as far as that's concerned but right off the top of my head I can't think of anybody out there who I think that it would be a really good match for Apple to acquire and that would you know dramatically improve Apple's DNA overnight on on cloud services okay BEC junior 25 wants to know and I wrote an article about this a while ago about apples smarts like they see remakes the microphone so much smarter because it can do sequential inference and con in its context aware i could do these wonderful things and maybe I forget the name Peter that's the the kinect company that they bought primesense primeSense yes maybe primesense will make the camera smarter but is there a way that all that stuff could be integrated into the apple TV like do we essentially want Syrian primesense in the apple TV the way that Microsoft has connect on the xbox one that's a horrifying idea from my perspective anyway you simply because I mean you know if you take a look at the xbox one you've got this omnipresent device that knows where you are and it's got enough it's got fine enough resolution in the camera to know when your heartbeat is elevated and all this other stuff Xbox one is getting a little creepy and maybe I'm kind of a grumpy old man at this point I just I don't want my appliances watching me you know what you don't want the world watching you dance naked in front of the kitchen well you know it's like the old rock rock well song right you know you know hey I just you know I always feel like somebody's watching me and I've got no privacy you know I just don't like that idea can do us motor sensors um I want smarter Siri I want more I want more ubiquitous Siri I wanted to be able to follow may not have to hold up my phone for it or you know push a button boy um sort of like always listening on google now well kinda yeah but at the same time that does creep me out ken what Scarlett Johansson well my eight-year-old godson yesterday told me I love series so much when I grow up I want to make one that works all the time hmm there you go yeah well that's and well well who that is creepy isn't it yeah now what I want is something like in in the short-lived series caprica he had the little robot that he could just talk to all the time and I think even whether the robot was there or not it was still sort of monitoring but he still sort of like the whole you know Google do this google do that with class that kind of thing i would like something that i could address and maybe well i guess i just want to get over my fear and trust the technology because i would like something that i could just talk to and have it talk back to me at the same time I don't want something listening all the time but you know just read any read The Guardian and something's listening all the time anyway so seriously it might as well it might as well also tell me something do you guys have any social anxiety about using Syrian public oh yeah no I walk through the mall using Siri has spoiled me for typing I am so lazy now that my social anxiety is just dwarfed by my laziness I'll walk through the mall just talking into Syria it's ridiculous I only know what do you do you find yourself holding your phone differently when you talk to Siri compared to actually like talking to somebody I hold on right in front of my face just so that Sergey can really hear me right there's this weird thing that we do where we kind of speak to Siri this way but we speak to normal humans this way what is that about I don't understand it now I'm going to be self-conscious thank you Peter to me it's about the fact that i can't get Syria to say what it's going to say to me through the through the earpiece like if I held it up if I you know talk to it and then held it like this because I still do that look if I tell it to call my wife I'll you know push the thing and I'll say Siri called Susan and then you know and then immediately put it up to my face to to start the call and then series like yelling out the bottom of it that it's calling her and so that's part of what makes me feel self-conscious about it I feel better about it when I have my headphones in not going back to Ken's point before I just watched the premiere and I'm a little bit behind that new TV series intelligence where the guy's basically got a chip in his brain that sticks google in it and it reminded me of that old dune saying you know look into that place you dare not look and you will find me there staring back at you because you know if he's hooked up to Google Google's hooked up to him and I we were talking about this earlier when some people had a negative reaction to nest you know maybe giving Google your information and I know if Syracuse I mentioned it you know whether they're going to need HIPAA guidelines for things like privacy because I'll know so much about you but it's totally unregulated and maybe them knowing this stuff is not bad but there should be regulations that they can only use it for our benefit and it can't be shared with anyone beyond our one-on-one relationship yo that's only as good as I mean that's only as good as what it's written today though right I mean everybody gets comfortable with the changes that Facebook just made them facebook makes the changes again everybody freaks out again I mean it was great it took exactly one week for Tony Fadell to say we're never going to share 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