The Friday Debate Podcast: A Discussion on Android Phones

While attending a recent event, I had the opportunity to participate in a debate discussion about two popular Android phones, the HTC One M9 and the Samsung Galaxy S6. The conversation centered around the camera capabilities of these devices, with some participants expressing their excitement over the potential for improved photography with the new phone releases.

For me, as someone who has been following the development of smartphone cameras, I am always on the lookout for features that can help take my photos to the next level. With the HTC One M9, I was impressed by its 20-megapixel camera, which promised better image quality and faster autofocus. However, when it was put through a series of tests, the results were mixed. While the phone's camera did produce some great-looking photos, there were instances where it struggled to capture details in low-light conditions.

On the other hand, I have had the opportunity to use both the HTC One M9 and the Samsung Galaxy S6, and while both phones have their strengths, they also have their weaknesses. The S6's camera is arguably one of its most impressive features, with a 16-megapixel sensor and a wide-angle lens that allows for more flexibility in composition. However, as I mentioned earlier, the camera is not without its issues, particularly when it comes to autofocus. In my experience, the phone's laser-guided autofocus feature can be hit-or-miss, and there are times when it struggles to lock onto the subject.

One of the other phones that caught my attention at this year's MWC was the LG G4. While I was not impressed with the camera, per se, I was intrigued by the phone's leather-back design and the 16-megapixel sensor. However, as we all know, the reviews for the G4 were somewhat mixed, with some critics praising its camera capabilities while others found it to be lacking.

It's worth noting that, in general, I have always been a fan of Android phones with great cameras. For me, there is nothing quite like capturing a beautiful moment or scene with your smartphone. And, over the years, I have seen many great camera phones come and go, each with its own unique features and strengths.

Another factor to consider when choosing an Android phone is software quality. For some of us, this may seem like a non-issue, but for others, it can be a major deciding factor. As someone who has always been interested in photography and video production, I have found that the software quality of my phone can make all the difference in my workflow.

For example, when working on a project, I often need to import footage or photos from my smartphone into my editing software. If the camera's autofocus is reliable and the image quality is good, it makes a huge difference in terms of productivity and overall output. On the other hand, if the camera struggles with focus or produces poor-quality images, it can slow down my workflow and ultimately impact the final product.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

As the year goes on, there will undoubtedly be more great phones released, each with their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Whether you're a fan of HTC or Samsung, it's essential to do your research and find a phone that meets your needs and preferences. With so many options available, it's easy to get overwhelmed, but with the right information and some careful consideration, you can make an informed decision and find the perfect Android phone for you.

The LG G4 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While I was not blown away by its camera, I did appreciate the phone's design and overall build quality. The 16-megapixel sensor and f/1.8 aperture are certainly impressive features, but as we all know, the reviews for the G4 were somewhat mixed.

In terms of performance, the LG G4 is a solid choice, with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 processor that delivers smooth performance and efficient battery life. However, in my opinion, it's the software quality that really sets this phone apart from its competitors. From the moment you turn on the G4, you'll notice a sleek and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze.

Another factor to consider when choosing an Android phone is the screen size and resolution. While some of us may prefer smaller screens, others like myself have grown accustomed to larger displays with higher resolutions. The LG G4, for example, has a 5.7-inch QHD display that delivers stunning visuals and a more immersive viewing experience.

On the other hand, the Samsung Galaxy S6 has a slightly smaller 5.1-inch Quad HD display that still packs a punch in terms of image quality and brightness. However, while I appreciate the smaller size and weight of the S6, I find myself missing the larger screen and more detailed visuals offered by the G4.

One of the other phones that caught my attention at this year's MWC was the HTC One M9. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 20-megapixel sensor and 1/2.55-inch image sensor size. These features promise better image quality and more flexibility in composition.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the HTC One M9 also boasts a sleek design with a 5-inch 1080p display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the HTC One M9 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The Samsung Galaxy S6 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 16-megapixel sensor and wide-angle lens. These features promise more flexibility in composition and better image quality.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the Samsung Galaxy S6 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.1-inch Quad HD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the Samsung Galaxy S6 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The LG G4 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 16-megapixel sensor and f/1.8 aperture. These features promise better image quality and more flexibility in composition.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the LG G4 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.7-inch QHD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the LG G4 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The Samsung Galaxy S6 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 16-megapixel sensor and wide-angle lens. These features promise more flexibility in composition and better image quality.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the Samsung Galaxy S6 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.1-inch Quad HD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the Samsung Galaxy S6 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The LG G4 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 20-megapixel sensor and 1/2.55-inch image sensor size. These features promise better image quality and more flexibility in composition.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the LG G4 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.7-inch QHD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the LG G4 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The Samsung Galaxy S6 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 16-megapixel sensor and wide-angle lens. These features promise more flexibility in composition and better image quality.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the Samsung Galaxy S6 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.1-inch Quad HD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the Samsung Galaxy S6 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The HTC One M9 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 20-megapixel sensor and 1/2.55-inch image sensor size. These features promise better image quality and more flexibility in composition.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the HTC One M9 also boasts a sleek design with a 5-inch 1080p display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the HTC One M9 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The Samsung Galaxy S6 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 16-megapixel sensor and wide-angle lens. These features promise more flexibility in composition and better image quality.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the Samsung Galaxy S6 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.1-inch Quad HD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the Samsung Galaxy S6 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The LG G4 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 20-megapixel sensor and 1/2.55-inch image sensor size. These features promise better image quality and more flexibility in composition.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the LG G4 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.7-inch QHD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the LG G4 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The HTC One M9 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 20-megapixel sensor and 1/2.55-inch image sensor size. These features promise better image quality and more flexibility in composition.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the HTC One M9 also boasts a sleek design with a 5-inch 1080p display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the HTC One M9 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The Samsung Galaxy S6 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 16-megapixel sensor and wide-angle lens. These features promise more flexibility in composition and better image quality.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the Samsung Galaxy S6 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.1-inch Quad HD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the Samsung Galaxy S6 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The LG G4 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities, I did appreciate its 20-megapixel sensor and 1/2.55-inch image sensor size. These features promise better image quality and more flexibility in composition.

In addition to its impressive camera features, the LG G4 also boasts a sleek design with a 5.7-inch QHD display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 processor, and 3GB of RAM. While it may not be as large or feature-rich as some of its competitors, I found the phone to be well-built and durable.

In terms of software quality, the LG G4 is a solid choice, with a clean and intuitive interface that makes navigating the phone's features and settings a breeze. However, while I appreciate the phone's performance and efficiency, I find myself missing some of the more advanced features offered by other Android phones.

The debate about which phone has the best software will likely continue to rage on for some time, as each manufacturer tries to outdo its rivals in terms of features, performance, and user experience. As someone who is passionate about Android phones, I am excited to see how this competition plays out and what innovations we can expect from manufacturers in the coming months.

The LG G4 is another example of a phone that has generated buzz in recent months. While it may not have blown me away in terms of camera capabilities,

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello everybody and welcome to the Friday debate podcast by Android authority discussing topics in Android every single week I am of course your host for the fdp Joshua varar what's going on everybody and once again I am joined by the usual panel of hosts Andrew grush Jonathan Feist and Joe Hindi as we take on a very device Centric look at some particular devices that came out or as we learned in the beginning of the podcast haven't even come out yet in the case of the Apple watch uh but we did talk about the Samsung Galaxy S6 and the S6 Edge along with the hcc1 M9 of which are really close to being released and out to the public and of course you can find the reviews for all of those devices on androidauthority.com but nonetheless we talk at length about our thoughts on the Apple watch and even smart watches in general and then get into which of the two Flagship devices that just came out we would want to buy with our own money as always you can follow Android authority across all social media networks and if you're watching the YouTube version of this podcast thank you for watching but one of the best ways of listening to the Friday debate podcast is through your favorite podcast programs pocketcast iTunes Stitcher and of course we're going to be getting these podcasts up on Soundcloud very soon as per uh the uh the requests by a lot of you so that is going to happen very soon and we'll let you know when some changes to the podcast are going to happen soon by the way but we're going to let you know about those in a small episode that I will post probably about 5 minutes long pretty soon where we're going to get your feedback your suggestions for topics and we might even do some Q Q Anda based upon some questions you want to know about us without any further Ado here is episode number 12 of the Friday de Bay podcast by Android authority hope you guys enjoy it's in the way that she use it I was just like rack I was like crap I forgot to bring a joke this week that's what she said tasers tasers h love that one that's from uh from one of my favorite podcasts anyone here listen to Harman town no no Community Creator Dan Harmon oh man my favorite one and they that's the song that they always use whenever it's like the end of a movie where all everything has been resolved and there's like that Freeze Frame like Breakfast Club style of the guy with his arm in the air and he just hear it's in the way that you use it oh man oh man so how's uh how's everybody been since last week we had a double future last week so I hope everybody got a very nice dose of the fdp last week that almost sounds wrong if you took out the F I'm pretty sure iTunes mark this as as uh as explicit we we just got flagged by by Apple right now yep sorry guys we haven't even started talking about the Apple watch yet and we already I know right oh man that's going to be this is going to be a fun podcast guys I can feel it in my bones but yeah how's everybody been since last week's double feature I've been good a very a very concise and succinct response from Joe for once look at that yeah just just been uh going through the motions doing my stuff it's going to slowly get shorter and shorter one day I'm going to ask how how you doing Joey's go me good cool how about you um yeah doing good it's it it's been very rainy around here so that's been kind of sucky I've been stuck in the house a lot more than I'd like so but otherwise yeah it's been pretty much same as usual hopefully not too much Cabin Fever I I suppose no I try to try to get out when it's not raining okay and then Feist if I'm not mistaken you're coming to us from an N9 no no um oh you're going to spoil it all I had to turn it right off because it keeps crashing the router with Skype oh I'm coming to you today from an iPad Mini oh no oh no Dark Side click which leads into how my week has been you know I've been with tap times I've got the iPad sorry the iPad Air 2 the iPad Mini 3 and you know I've been putting them through their paces and U I've just been finally getting all of my verses articles out so I did the iPad Air 2 versus The Nexus 9 last week and uh I I just put out kind of a side by side of the iPad Air 2 and the iPad Mini 3 here last night and sorry uh at the time of that you are listening to this podcast it would be two days ago um you know it's been it's been exciting putting these things through their paces and it's been an awful lot of work to put the words together but you guys know that especially with all the uh Galaxy S6 and uh uh one M9 stuff you've been putting together lately yeah definitely I mean there are there there's there's almost endless amounts of content that we're trying to get out but you know obligations are always kind of mixed up when it comes to being like the ones with the devices so uh A lot's still coming I have like a camera shootout that's very close to being done which I actually am I'm actually kind of happy that I held off on the Galaxy S6 camera shootout because ever since I first put together the batch of photos and videos that I wanted I took even more so I'm even more familiar with the camera than before and I'm going to do the same thing with the 1 M9 most likely while I'm out in Seattle over this weekend uh I'm actually going to be going up there with with my girlfriend to see my best friend and yeah this is kind of a habit that I'm kind of not too happy about these days um I've done it for the last however so long I've been with Android authority but when I go somewhere for like a siesta or some sort of break I tend to bring my work with me anyway but n maybe one day I'll finally like be able to not do that but that's going to happen this week so the 1 M9 is is the phone I'll be using throughout my 4 days in Seattle and Hur is pretty cold up there so hopefully uh the uh the cold touch of the metal won't kill me oh it's so cold let me tell you oh boy you if that metal gets too cold just pick up the 1 M9 it'll heat your hands right up or I'll just plug it in yeah that's the thing about the M9 it's like it's when it's plugged in that it gets like really warm so I'll just bring an external battery with me oh too cold it's almost like having to plug in your car just to just to warm it up this is why I will never survive in snow but if um if it's not obvious to all of our listen just yet we're already jumping into it just without even knowing it it's a very device Centric episode of the Friday debate podcast this week um we're going to revisit a couple of topics that we have kind of talked about in the past but now that the releases have actually happened by the time this podcast comes out or is released rather um we have a few devices to talk about but we're going to go ahead and get one out of the way first uh feisty kind of gave us a segue we are going to talk about the Apple watch a little bit a lot of reviews are coming out people are getting them on their wrists actually I was out in a about in La uh Downtown LA today I did notice a lot of people wearing it and I expected there to be a line outside of Apple but it doesn't seem like there was um I don't know if anyone has a full pulse on how the Apple watch is doing but does it look like it's uh it has the clout that the iPhone does are there are people clamoring for this this product does anybody have have a beat on that no I'm sorry aside from the obvious reasons why that would be a no but but yeah what were you guyson to say gushy well I mean uh I don't think I mean I haven't heard a lot of granted I most of my friends and people I associate with are um use Android or actually have a couple believe it or not that use Windows phone uh but uh the Apple people that I do have in my life they they really aren't that excited for it so from my end no I haven't heard a lot but uh even if there isn't a lot it doesn't really say much at this point because if you remember uh the iPhone initially wasn't like a super super hoteller in its first generation well that might be true but we're talking about a company that didn't have that we're talking about a company that up until that point was kind of unknown I mean of course you have that's not true you have huge okay that's true the iPod the iPod was huge and so this is a whole new product category for apple and apple consumers have to be you know I I think it's going to take a few generations for people to care you know well there should have been like enough I I just kind of feel like there should have been enough momentum behind quite literally everything that they had already that everyone was just going to flock to it I mean obviously at the announcement I mean I remember watching the entire thing I even live tweeted the thing and um just giving my opinions on just all of the information there I just remember um uh thinking to myself that everyone is going to buy this just because it's apple and I'm kind of unsure of whether or not that's still true and from what I observed down in Downtown LA it doesn't seem like it is yet well I did say yet you you know that you don't see a lot of advertising yet I mean yeah I've seen a little advertising but it's not been like blasted everywhere at least not from what from where I've seen have you guys seen a lot of advertising I think I saw one thing on TV the other day oh I've I've seen the ad quite a few times by now really I guess I don't watch a lot of TV TV since of a cord cutter um I've I mean I've been watching TV pretty I mean a lot over the last couple days like watching like Agents of Shield and stuff I haven't seen anything on television about the Apple watch yet uh I didn't even know it uh it was released until I saw that the you know the Verge and a couple other places had reviews up today like I didn't even know it was out and actually I didn't even know it was released like to the public until Josh said he saw people in La wearing them no no I'm saying I haven't really seen anybody oh haven't okay has it been released to the public I thought it was by now but I could be wrong but the reviews definitely are coming out um that it just shows you how just how just how much Android authority is not into the yeah I know like I'm listening to you guys talking I'm like everything you guys are saying is like brand new information to me so like I'm like you know I mean I'm a tech blogger I should know this stuff but usually I you know I know when something we're totally off base here there's a reason we haven't seen anything lining up um the reviews are out but the the watch itself doesn't come out till April 24th oh 24th a little ahead oops well okay if I could if I could say I know grety said that he hasn't seen much of the advertising yet but I have seen so much that it made me think that it was out already uh so I guess I kind of assumed with all the reviews and stuff that but I guess Apple does tend to let the reviews happen earlier you know than the release on some of their stuff and maybe because it's a new product category too they're trying to drum up you know get up a little bit of a yeah we're a little we're a little off off to a bad start cuz we didn't even know check that oops Yeah but before we uh before we started recording I said this was going to be a really good podcast I have been wrong so far hey it's it's been entertaining hey're we're proving we're not Apple Fanboys at least yeah no no one can ever say that we're Apple Fanboys ever except for maybe feisty over there I'm waiting for I'm I'm definitely waiting for a YouTube comment on the YouTube side of things it's like oh they lost all credibility when it comes to Apple products we're like good we're like we so do you guys want me to abuse a relationship of mine and uh give you some Insider information on the Apple watch yes pleas yeah my wife's cousin actually works at the local Apple Store at I was chatting with him the other day just general conversation I wasn't specifically asking about the watch um but he and the rest of the employees they're getting some rather intense training for the watch coming up and not just general device you know here's the specifications but they're actually kind of taking a a jewry approach he said U so they're you know they're going to be pushing the w i shouldn't say pushing the watch but uh you know marketing the watch in store uh from a jewelry an accessory perspective instead of a device perspective I mean that that sounds a little bit smart but at the same time it's going to be weird seeing those kinds of Jewel cases and stuff in in the Apple Store and much less have that that I I bet you they're going to get like a model some dude in a some dude in a suit standing outside of the Apple Store it's like oh have you seen the Apple watch very some very successful looking woman in her mid-30s wearing a pants suit like you know wink like be sorry go on joh uh I was I was adding on to the nonsense I was just spouting please go ahead that's all I was going to do I was going to say there's going to be some guy standing up front possibly me wearing an Android were watch being like Oh have you seen the new Apple watch great all right not to totally uh derail this but have any of you seen the um what was that it was on one of the late night I can't remember what show where that was the uh Apple pocket watch did anyone see that no but that sounds I can't remember who it was maybe it was I don't even remember I watched so many late night you know the skits and stuff but anyway it was just a it was just an iPhone um with a uh one of those like uh sandwich you know one of those clips you know that Ed for like a clipboard clip to it and then it was a a wallet chain and they're it was pretty funny I I wish I had the link but was about a week ago but uh it just popped into my head when he said that the Apple yeah they're called the Apple pocket watch yeah and it's like it's like it's more than just a clip and a wallet chain it's it was some ridiculous price like 2,000 something you know it was but it was pretty funny but uh and apple got 300 pre-orders that night for a product that didn't exist probably so I do have to ask uh while you know while we're on the topic even if we uh this isn't the release week for it but it is the review release week I guess for this device embargo it's the Embargo embargo for so uh I guess does anyone think that I mean I can see some rich people buying the the expensive $10,000 Edition 17 but uh I guess for me the thing is people spend that much on watches yes but those watches last many years I would think you know I don't you know I'm sure there are rich people who trade out their watches every year but usually when you invest 10 grand in a watch you're keeping it for a long time do you think Apple I mean I haven't heard anything from Apple but do you think they have any kind of you almost think they'd have to have some kind of uh like contingency like hey we'll replace you know we'll be able to replace the band you know the the watch internals for so many years you know Apple should have done something along those lines because the fact is spending $10,000 for something that's going to be obsolete next year seems pretty crazy to me well see that's that's an assumption that we're making that it will be obsolete um the the thing that we've seen with SmartWatches up until this point is that as long as the intern as long as the software itself doesn't massively evolve the internals can remain the same and there's so many Android Weare applications and iterations out there that all kind of basically follow the same type of specification sheet that you know I wouldn't be surprised if the Apple watch was a standalone product and they never refreshed it um of course that's that's ludicrous to you say and imagine but I think that the release cycle for an Apple Watch is not going to be something that makes $10,000 a waste that's what I keep thinking well I suppose it's true to an extent because there probably isn't need for a brand new one every year but as Battery Technology hopefully someday gets better that would make a difference you know true um and that also assumes and I don't like assuming but that also assumes that Apple uh thinks that they got the design of this first one so right I don't I don't agree with that at all yeah do you guys like the looks of this thing I mean at all uh I actually don't mind it so much um I don't think it's that bad click shun the nonbeliever sorry yeah don't hang up on me but you know as far as a smartwatch goes having a display on it it you know it's not too until you turn it on and look at the OS that's another story but actual physical build I can live with it as a smartwatch you know what I I do kind of agree it was one the review started coming out that I started really reading up on the build quality of the thing and I I do kind of agree it does seem to have a nice Sheen to it you know and it has this this this a of build quality that's quite nice and I will admit the I've seen the the videos from uh particular websites of the uh they call the crown I believe the uh the the knob that that Scrolls through everything that's actually not a bad idea yeah I like it I'll admit I like that aspect I thought that was cool but they called it crown for real yeah yeah it's called The Crown narcissistic bastards jeez that's actually the the term for I don't think that's an apple specific spefic term oh actual watch term a real watch term I think that's that's what it's always been called on a watch right I did not know that just you know it just seems so like ridiculous Apple calls it the crown we're going to call the the watch face the jewels so you can have the crown and jewels all the time feel like a king when you buy her $10,000 Smartwatch like it just sounds like something Apple would do I'm sorry actually called a crown that is my bad yeah everyone feels like a king when they have the Apple watch and the first time the watch goes off silence but yeah I guess I guess our sophisticated s probably just refer to it as like a knob but it is technically called a crown just to be fair that's not an apple thing I agree with Joe though like to call something like a knob that just doesn't sound like apples thing like it doesn't sound it doesn't sound Regal enough if we're going to continue with this whole royalty analogy um but yeah I I 2.5d glass is what it's usually called but that's you know the shape of the the top the rear of it aside from just being an optical sensor for heart rate monitoring it actually looks like what the back of a expensive watch would look like and I can't help but think that most of these review units happen to be at least the mid-range ones cuz I imagine the 349 one is is not going to really have that same that same look and you know you got to give credit where credits do we I I I obviously looked at a couple of high-end websites that are kind of around our level um in terms of video production uh if not higher uh the obvious one being The Verge and you know they they obviously have their film making uh uh creating the image of this watch so what looks incredibly nice and very very shiny on video might end up looking like a dud in real life to me true so but yeah no I I agree that I guess when I first saw the Apple watch and ever since then it wasn't that it's ugly I mean at first it kind of was like it's not that it's ugly it's that Apple usually tries to you know not just do another me too they try to outdo their design in some way and the Apple watch if you didn't know it was an Apple Watch you would just think it was any other Smartwatch you know mhm so there's nothing wrong with the design in my opinion there's just nothing special about it either if that makes sense you know sure but it has the eye Crown come on yeah except for that's what they should have called it was the eye crown holy crap that that would have fit right in missed opportunity the thing that's getting me about all the reviews though is it feels like the HTC1 M9 thing all over again where it's it's probably has pre-released software um I was reading virgin I I made it down to the point where he said it was like oh yeah you know we reached out to Apple and they said that they were going to update it to fix a lot of these issues and I stopped reading the review right there it's like what the hell's the point of continuing to read if the whole experience is going to be different in the next 14 to 21 days you know so and it's the same thing with Android Weare if you guys remember when Android Wear first came out like oh my God it was terrible like I remember like turning on my watch it was screen tearing all the time like apps wouldn't open properly I turned off the Google Fit step counter because it thought that me typing was me walking so I had like 100,000 steps every day I was like I can't do this I need to turn this off cuz I was like congratulations you walked 100,000 steps today I was like congratulations you're being disabled forever so like you know and and then you see like the the results from that like you know what was it been you know 8 10 months later and you know it's the the OS is almost in you mean it's got the same basic core functionality stuff but it's you know so much better it's got a lot more polish and like even my you know the LG G watch that I have you know on me it works so much better there's less drops it's faster you know the apps work better the the faces apply better and work better no more screen tearing and it you know like uh Josh was saying like you know the the spec probably don't need to change you know 12 months from now once Apple gets a few of these updates down the line you know it's going to be yeah I think that it's going to work a little bit better than it does now so I think uh you know I think it's going to be a one of those thing it's a wait and see kind of thing I think it's too early to say whether the watch is actually good or bad right now well yeah well it's right now that obviously reviews are going to focus on and it's right now that we're going to hopefully get our own versions uh hopefully the 349 versions who knows if I I really do hope the Android authority doesn't go too crazy on the Apple watches and gets the mid-range ones or anything we don't need the the super expensive ones no we just need to be able to compare the UI we don't care exact we don't really care about the build quality maybe we can even go to a store and just look at it and then compare it to a couple things like for example like the G Watch r or the Urbane and stuff um or the Huawei watch you know whatever but uh it's it's the right now that people are going to be focusing on and it does seem like like everything so basic still you know it's still a full-on notification center and this was this is the one that I that I saw pretty much across the board everyone was unhappy about it's a catchall for all notifications so you're literally getting a beep and a vibrate for every single little thing that happens on on your phone and it's that's obviously where a lot of these SmartWatches kind of fail because a lot of people don't want to be reminded of just how much they're missing and um that's the kind of the reason why and and we don't have to bring it up like fully right now and talk about it but that's the reason why I really enjoy the pebble ecosystem yeah I was going to ask uh pop quiz for everyone except for Fe since he doesn't have Android Wear um are all of you using your Android Weare watch right now is it on you uh no I have my Fitbit on right now yeah I have a I have a Fitbit on right now as well there you go see and then feisty you don't do you have any any of those watches none at all uh at the at this time no none at all I got a fit bit in the mail but uh because joining our our fit group or whatever what do we call it I don't even know what it's officially called but yeah okay the a I am carrying my weight a little bit inappropriately at the moment yes I'm joining the club the club yeah see that's the other side of the coin is the fact that some of the functions that these smartw watches have I've given up on on these smart watches as being a viable Fitness tracking platform I just can't I just don't think that they are um I have very specific needs when it comes to my health obviously with you know diabetes tracking blood sugar but also I like I like I really like to track my heart rate as accurately as possible and see the progress that I make throughout a workout I don't have a Fitbit but I have a polar M400 and I I use the heart rate monitor strap that goes under your your or on your torso I should say and uh yeah I like having that and it does activity tracking whatnot I actually haven't worn any of my Android Wear um or even my pebble since I got this polar and I guess that's where my idea with the Apple watch comes in is that you know even though I did order the pebble time and I can't wait for it to come cuz I actually really like the pebble ecosystem because it's very customizable those issues of like catchall notifications can be fixed with third party software that users create based on user needs I love that but you know I just for for my basic needs I I really don't need something that tries to be everything yeah I've learned that too I I liked I still like my Moto 360 right now my wife's using it um I still like it but I guess after a while I mean when I'm out the only time I miss it is if I'm out and about for a long period of time and you know it was kind of nice to get certain emails and stuff on my wrist it was you know at home it's not really useful at all um and then the whole battery issue I just I got sick of charging all the time and granted uh the Moto 360 is not nearly as bad um on battery life as people believe it it which actually that was a point I was going to make earlier is the bad thing about and this isn't just the Apple watch or the Moto 360 this is pretty much applies to all technology um unfortunately a lot of the times the software is not perfect out the gate when you get these review units and uh but those Impressions last forever you know yeah definitely oh trust me dude I I know the day I got my HTC 109 I got like 37 did you wear oven mitts when you grabbed it comments yeah exactly once you get are youing getting you hav kidding me did you not read any of the 990,000 reviews that all debunk that stupid claim nope First Impressions last forever and apparently the HTC1 M9 can cook bread if you lay it on top of it right what day we're going to do a segment on the channel where Joe responds to everyone's terrible YouTube comments and he's going to use that voice the whole video did you wear I am so down cuz that's how I answer them in my head anyway so uh one one place I wanted wanted to uh kind of revert back to um feisty mentioned the uh the software in Apple watch I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on it like obviously none of us have actually used the software that will be on the Apple watch but it sounded like you had some opinions on it you want to kind of elaborate on that Feist you know Joe just mentioned it those first impressions one of the absolute first pictures I saw the Apple watch like after the official announcement was kind of that home screen with all of those bubbles and and I honestly bent over laughing it was to me it was absolutely horrid and I haven't gotten over that you know man just got like this image of who's the guy that does the design for Apple Johnny eyes right I imagine like that guy like having like a kid and the kid's at home blowing bubbles in his chocolate milk he looks in there and goes UI I've got it got into his electric car and drove to Apple headquarters is like I got it guys I got it bubbles it's hard to make a it's hard it's hard to make a scene in a movie really dramatic when you're speeding off in a car when you're driving a Prius um did you guys see that video by the way on on YouTube uh created originally by uh you know a friend of Android authorities Armando Ferrara his um where he got that that Spanish video of that guy laughing about telling a story and he put subtitles about how the MacBook the new Macbook was created oh yes oh so good I give him props for putting that out there that was such a great great comedic uh video If you haven't seen it you guys totally should Joe and Andrew um take a look yeah definitely take take a look at take a look at it after the recording um so uh Apple I had one more thought about the Apple watch and I'm totally blanking right now um does anyone else have any thoughts while he tries to I don't know piece it together right now I'm trying to figure out what cuz I think cuz Darcy messaged me on slack and then totally totally put me out of whack um man what was it that I wanted to say oh um I remember live tweeting the event and when the Apple watch was announced and they said the the up to $177,000 thing I I guess the one thing that kind of gets me about the whole Apple ecosystem in general is that people are going to pay as much as they want for the version that they want and that's perfectly fine but but the one that gets me the tweet that I put out that got like the most retweets and and and favorites or whatever was uh I swear to God if I hear kids begging their parents for the most expensive one because sure you will $17,000 that's like that's like one year's tuition at an average college and that's that blows my mind I cannot believe that and it just kind of turns me off to the entire thing in general the fact that if I see this super expensive version out in the wild I wonder where human where Mankind's priorities lie so that was like I said especially when espe I mean yeah people spend this much on like I said before people spend this much on watches you know people who have money but when they do it you know to be fair they're talk you know it's a 10 plus year investment I mean that's still a lot of money more money than I would ever spent on a watch but if you have the money so be it but to spend money on something that's technology that you know like you said it may not go obsolete as quickly as you know we might think but it's still going to go obsolete eventually you know yeah it sounded like someone else was going to chime in there was that you feisty yeah that was me I I was going to channel the Apple haters just for a moment here uh you know and and you brought up this video about the new Macbook and and it kind of plays off of that as well where in the video spoiler alert uh basically the guys are laughing off the fact that they're ripping off the customers and I I can't help but feel that a little bit with the expensive watch here wherein you know it's different material different experience you know you're getting something for what you pay but at the same time it feels a little bit like you know what let's just charge 17,000 for it no maybe maybe1 18,000 you know just a you know for extra service you get a free t-shirt you know whatever it may be but it's like they were playing craps and the yeah I was just going to liken it to Rolling like Dungeons and Dragons dice oh that too yeah there you go roll 10 d20s and just add them up you know and uh one thing to think about I remember reading this a while ago and I kind of uh you know when it comes to these watches you know real watches that cost that mount of money you have to realize that like a lot of the times they're made by some like one person who spends like six months hand you know six months hand making them every little component you know putting it together you know intricately uh whereas the $117,000 Apple watch is not handmade obviously well it's it's handmade but it's you know like 1,700 Chinese kids well yeah yeah but it's not you know it's a so I guess I'm saying at least there's you know some value to be said that well this is this you know some of these uh famous watch makers might only make two or three watches a year you know and so you're buying their time you know you're not just buying a product you're buying their time you're buying you're supporting their life you know life's work but uh that's not the same case with a tech you know with a digital device that it's not because when you because when you buy an iPhone or or iPad or an Apple Watch The the those factories in China those workers never get they they don't feel that I remember that reminds me of the of the tweet that I put out during the announcement they they were showing the um like the procedure of putting together the new Macbook or the putting together the new watch and there were all these like die casting and all this metal and stuff like that and I remember tweeting out is this what a Chinese Factory looks like and and Michael Fisher he uh he he tweeted he he he responded to me and he was like totally including all of the all of the dramatic lighting and all oh man um oh they did Miss they missed the part where the disgruntled Chinese workers are Hawking lugies into the product as it's being assembled cuz you know what that's that's what I would freaking do oh my God so here's the diecast metal and there's the screen Crystal I mean we you blame him I mean it's it's it's it's kind of harsh uh we are we might be being a little bit harsh on Apple with all that stuff but honestly it's this is how we might be channeling what a lot of people are thinking you know cuz the um the the way that Apple has created this Commerce uh when it comes to their own products you know I I've I can't help but think about just what it's like to be if you you know if you haven't been out of the US to see just what Commerce is like in other countries I really recommend you you you try like going to like Hong Kong and just realizing that the entire city revolves around things and whenever there's a new thing that comes out you could just go to a corner store and they have a bunch of those things for sale right there at at marked up prices cuz you know cuz what they do is they they get it themselves and then Mark them up because just that's just how much people want it and people will pay that much for uh for items just to be ahead of the curve uh so to speak and it's almost as if Apple's playing into that and I don't think the US is quite on that level um but I'd be afraid of that being the case so and you know it's that um it's that mentality especially amongst Apple Fans cuz you know Apple Fans Buy Apple things you know almost regardless of its actual value just because it's Apple things and I think that's why the Apple watch is ultimately going to be popular even if it's just like the cheaper ones you know the three you know the 349 ones like I think that's that's how I I hate to say it because you know the four all four of us except for for feisty has a uh all three of us except for feisty or whatever how you want to say it has an has an Android Wear Smartwatch and it's like you know it's they can't seem to break into the mainstream with it but you know Apple you know can leverage its culture like cuz Android doesn't have a culture like that like people don't walk around and go I got the latest Android because no one knows what the hell the latest Android is anymore um but you know with apples I got the latest Apple watch there is only one Apple watch I mean I mean we should I don't know this off the top of my head cuz I don't deal with devices like you guys do but I don't even know what the latest Android we watch is right now M like I know is the Urbano out Urbane you mean whatever see this is this is why I'm really bad in these kinds of device Centric podcast I'm a software guy I don't know this stuff no those are those are still on their way especially that one in the Huawei watch the huawe which I like the Huawei watch see I didn't even know the hwei watch ex like that's the problem like everybody knows the Apple watch is coming everybody knows the Apple watch you know there is no the Android Wear watch there's like 16 of them and some of them are out and some of them aren't and some of them are round or some of them are square and while you do get that like variety you don't get that like punch you don't get that the Android Wear Smartwatch the Boom the big the thing that you advertise on television like and Apple has that and they have the culture of people that will buy the out of it for like no reason whatsoever so I think that like in terms of like mainstream popularity I think apple is going to win I'm not sure about mainstream popularity buying yes but I don't know I don't think I I'm I would not be shocked if the same thing happens that we're seeing with every other wearable device and that's that they say statistically no one uses a wearable whether it be a fitness tracker or a watch for more than six months before they get bored and they move on and uh I wouldn't be surprised if Apple watch this the same way you know yeah I didn't say people were going to continue using it I just said a whole bunch of them it was it's going to be a thing that people know about you like the average consumer knows that there's kind of sort of like an Android where I where do you even buy the damn things well this is a this is a this is a culture that was cultivated by Google and it was uh because you know look at what happened when Samsung started to kind of butt heads with all the other manufacturers like HTC and LG saying that they were the phone um they were the Android phone or they were the one to get um whether not that's still true is Up For Debate but look what Google did they started pulling the rein on Android and now there's there's kind of now now they have this whole campaign and you see the weird commercials all the time on on you know uh be together not the same together not the same which I love that campaign to be honest but that's the thing like it's also going to cultivate this culture of we're not going to have any one device in Android Android that is the definitive device and that's I think what Apple knew coming into the ecosystem coming into the market was that they had to create the one thing the one platform and uh you know in that sense they've succeeded they haven't you know but it also makes them a very closed off company it makes them Boutique in that way you know it makes them the Mont Blanc of pens you know like like in that sense it also makes so they can charge $177,000 for watching exactly yeah that's kind of the point though isn't it like that kind of their whole stick is to be like you know we are Apple you know nothing outside of Apple is Apple you can only get apple if you buy Apple app Apple applea Apple Apple Apple Apple Apple orange no get the hell out Apple our podcast it turns into us all becoming minions Apple 45 minutes now we're all just chanting it apple apple see feisty's got to be careful I know he's been a little quiet you know lately but he's got to be careful because if he says too many negative Apple things his iPad is going to explode how do you I turned that function off you can't dis what are you talking about you can't disable features in iOS you're stuck with whatever they tell you so having uh I want to I kind of want to hear from Fey then if um do how do you feel about because because uh Andrew Joe and I we've all been speaking at length about the implications behind having a platform like this you know having used um you know you're you're now in the tablet world with the iPads iPad Air iPad Mini whatnot um how how how how do you where do you fall um in what we're talking about this this Commerce idea that Apple's created for its for its consumers uh you know I I totally agree you know they they've kind of got that lock down on their products and there's no question that there's kind of a cult following to to the apple and you know the whole iOS system um I do think that they overcharge sometimes uh in some cases I I do believe they're ripping off the customers just because they can uh for the most part uh don't get me wrong it's still early days I I've really never used iPads before I've only had these things for a short time but they are very solid devices and they are you I haven't push them hard but they're good units and and I'm okay with them uh now on the watch specifically again I haven't touched the I haven't dug deep into the apps yet I am still so ingrained into Android that uh I haven't thought about it I haven't really needed to uh you know I'm trying to do all of the things that what I assume a basic user would uh you know would want out of an iPad but uh yeah I haven't pushed it like every Thursday I do my Android customization post and I'm always you know digging deep using you know Tasker and zup widget to build my own home screen I haven't done any of that on the on iOS yet and and I have no idea how to do it um now the watch uh from a consumer level uh now Joe was talking about how as you know Android Wear isn't gone you know hasn't gone big very much and I think a lot of that has to do with no like you was saying just the availability and the marketing behind it where it's kind of us nerds techgeeks and stuff that that know about the watches uh whereas on the Apple side exactly what Joe was saying is it's going to be the average Joe if you will U that finds out about this watch they're going to walk into the Apple store for you know support or what you can still laughing at my Joe joke I'm sorry you know average average user Average Joe is going to walk into the Apple Store be like hey they've got a watch and they're going to buy one one uh you know budget pending of course um but one other aspect something that we've been really looking at in tab times anyways is the business side of it um now I don't know if you guys remember what it's like to to go to it a day job I'm not going to say a real job but you know report to somebody at a specific time every day um there's a lot of bring your own device going on in the in the corporate world where you know people are getting to use their own Android devices their own iPhones what have you and I think I'm taking a wild guess here uh but when watches make it into these corporate inventory I think it's going to be the Apple watch and not an Android Wear watch that's fair I think uh I think there's a little bit more room in the third party application space for an Apple Watch to have um especially when you consider all the different security applications or even certain certain apps that that people in a corporate workspace would be able to use I kind of agree with that um because Android Weare for all intents and purposes now is a notification center and doesn't really give you too much else so um but yeah I totally agree with that all right we have been talking for Apple for quite a while at this point and quite honestly I've had a lot of fun going up and down that particular road cuz we we had we definitely had some Peaks and vales with that topic but yeah a little bit but the uh still had a great foot not not even knowing when it releases yeah so it's coming eventually yesterday tomorrow releasing soon I swear to God though I've seen that ad so many times that I thought it had come out already but anyway um so we have this is a device Centric episode of the debate and we are revisiting particular topics which is why we're we're kind of Loosey Goosey about it right now so um our uh our second half of the podcast is going to be devoted to what has been or will will be very soon released around the time of this podcast release uh the Samsung Galaxy S6 S6 Edge and of course the HTC1 M9 now I of course have the S6 and the S6 Edge uh Joe if I'm not mistaken you just got your M9 right damn skippy you did mention it earlier and Joe was the one that said I don't care what anybody says I'm getting the M9 I think you were you were all in from the get-go right Joe dude I Got That Thing 2 days after the pre-orders open like isn't it like not supposed to be like released in stores for like another two days or something they just sent the pre-orders out early something like but they yeah they released the uh for pre- they released it pretty yeah so like I mean I had mine before April even started yeah I said I was getting one and I got one like I woke up super early it was like sitting there F5 F5 F5 oh yeah there it is nice got it I did hear reports that people on like if they pre-ordered it some people got it that day cuz I think they were able to get it from particular carrier stores if I'm not mistaken um cuz some like T-Mobile or AT&T stores had them in stock so if you had pre-ordered it that day and called your local store and they happened to have it you could just drive right over and get it um so I heard that and a lot of people were happy about that so obviously I have me with the S6 lawn with the S6 Edge we've done extensive coverage on it already with even more to come I'm very interested to hear some sort of like Mini review from Joe on the M9 like so what are your thoughts so far on your brand new purchase okay I'm I'm I'm getting ready to write up something on probably Google Plus sometime next few days about it um first uh first impressions are really really good um there are some applications that for some reason don't seem to like the HGC 109 like um swift key for instance uh likes to skip button presses like it doesn't happen on the HTC keyboard or any other keyboard I've tested just swift key where like it it skips a button every now and again or uh Final Fantasy uh Record Keeper feels unoptimized for some reason but like overall like you know using the interface using social media browsing all that stuff even blink feed blink like I had the uh One M7 cuz I was really excited about that one too and I used blink feed back then and I was like man it needs more customization there's some sites that I really don't want to look at you know blah blah blah and like they seem to have fixed all the problems that I originally had with blink feed to the point where I actually uninstalled Feedly and I don't use it anymore um I will admit yeah blink feed has really made some leaps forward and I I do enjoy reading it it's just I don't think that do okay so do you actively go to blink feed on a regular basis to to catch up on news oh yeah during pretty much all of the LAX not during all of the LAX parts of my day but during all the 5 to 10 minute LAX parts of my day oh okay cuz it strikes me as that thing you have when there's nothing else to do it's not necessarily like oh I need figure out what's happening now I you know um I that's how I am with Google Now with the the the briefing on Samsung phones like it's just there when there's literally nothing else to do yeah no exactly like it's it's the smoke brag take aoo app you know yeah right it's it's the best one for news too I mean but uh it's just like it's it's a good phone like it's one of those things like uh I I had this conversation with one of you guys I I think it was one of you guys where we were talking about how the CC1 didn't have anything that was really exceptional or was that Sony no we were saying that about Sony how there was really nothing truly exceptional about it and like the the 1 M9 is kind of the same way like there's nothing like except for the speakers obviously uh the boom sound speakers are still the best smartphone speakers hands down period ever but there's really nothing about the phone that makes it like oh my God it's like the S6 Edge where it's super unique or you know it's something ridiculous it is just a really solid smartphone like the battery life isn't amazing but it's solid you know like the the performance is actually pretty amazing most of the time except for the apps that don't play nice with it yet but you know that's more of a lollipop thing I bet though to be honest between the lollipop thing and the octacore 64-bit processor you know I it's probably just like a mixture of those things it's like you know my Ram's not being used that much but it's just uh the the missing the Taps on the swift key keyboard is the only thing that's driven me insane at this point oh that's the thing like I actually applaud you for wanting to put a different keyboard on there cuz I think that's one of the worst experiences I had on that phone I don't like the HTC keyboard it's so horrid and I I I um that was in the written review but it wasn't in the video but I yeah I hate that thing I don't know why no it it really is bad like I was uh I was typing okay and I typed it om cuz I hit the M instead of the L and it like auto corrected it to like sule and I was like okay HTC we need to have a conversation one of the one of the most fundamental aspects of a keyboard that every keyboard needs to have is when you press space It should change the word that you misspell to the word that's correct and more often than not when I hit space the word that I had misspelled remained and I that's the part that I hated a lot it's it's only when you did like spelling issues and it's because like I use that's a lot I never use punctuation when I actually type so like apostrophes or something that I make the keyboard add in when I type in t h a TS it'll put the apostrophe in for that's M but when I type in th hbts it won't autocorrect anything yeah like not even at the even if out of the apostrophe I it would be funny like tolerable amounts of funny but it doesn't correct anything so it's like but no I totally get that and then the only other thing that I that I've had a gripe with is the camera software yes not the camera itself because the sensor is act I I've uh I've posted some pictures on Google+ and on Twitter uh the sensor is actually really good like it it especially surprisingly good in low light like it's not again it's not amazing it's not phenomenal but it's really really solid uh way more solid than I thought it was going to be the postprocessing is garbage yep Holy balls and uh did you see that thread that I posted in slack the other day Josh I did I did I did I did take a look at it and it feels nice to have my thoughts validated in that way because that's that's really where I think the hole has been for Android is in how it processes the data that the sensors create because for the longest time we've been blaming the camera the camera this this this ambiguous entity called the camera when in reality all of these sensors whether or not they come from Sony or from any other sensor company you know the majority of them obviously being from Sony um how what we're doing is when we're saying the camera is bad we're saying Sony effed up and Sony just doesn't do that with Imaging they're one of the best Imaging companies out there the sensor is able to capture all the data it's just a matter of what the software does to that data in postprocessing and people don't realize that the term noise reduction should actually be said a lot more often in camera reviews for smartphones because they were it's been used way too often and the M9 is very guilty of it yeah um by the way Pro tip if you have an HTC1 M9 and you're planning on getting one um here's how to fix at least one of the problems um or two of the problems one cap your ISO at 800 do not let it go higher than 800 for the love of God if you want to see black at all in your photo don't let it go higher than 800 and then the other thing is uh go into the settings and turn uh the sharpness to -2 which totally at least from what I've read totally disables HTC's smoothening sharpening postprocessing yeah and gets a rid gets rid of pretty much all of that like Inky not solid liny thing that happens when you take photos in nonperfect light and like just those two things alone have like elevated the camera to like at least twice as good as I thought it was going to be see that's the thing it perplexes me that this company that had they basically took their their the same exact settings that they used for the ultra pixels now given that the ultra pixels were far less megapixels per se than what they have now at 20 megapixels uh it seemed to me that they took the software and the settings from the ultra pixels and put it into this 20.7 a 20 megapixel sensor when that they really didn't have to do that they they could have started from scratch idea yeah you could you could do you have to do noise reduction when a when a photo is kind of small and you're going to blow it up but now that the photo is blown up enough then they shouldn't need to use all the old software uh the other thing that uh I I read that helps out is to set it from the the image quality set it from high to medium because it it turns it down to I think 16 megapixels instead of 20 and then then you get a little bit of additional uh detail yeah detail from the down sampling yeah and then uh the last thing that I read that helps out is to change the aspect ratio to 107 instead of 169 because that is the natural size of the sensor so HTC doesn't screw with the you know the image at all it's pretty much just the the camera sensor itself with the with the most minimal amount of HTC processing available without knowing to go to places like the internet net for example to find out those little tips and I hope that I hope that we've helped some uh some M9 users I hope you're listening and you you try those out let us know how the results go in the comments uh but yeah the average user is not going to not to be able to turn those things off and I whenever I review a camera I I I rev I I use it as an auto iteration um I I do do some manual stuff and mess with the settings a little bit here and there but for the most part I'm looking at it from the eyes of a consumer that just wants to turn on the camera and try to get a good shot and that's the reason why the S6 has been so good to me is because its camera to be honest is probably the best Android camera that has come out in recent years and um or recently I should say and um that's why you know now that we've heard Joe's thoughts on it and obviously I have my review and Lon has his review out um now I want to pose the question to feisty and grush do you guys think you're going to go one way or the other in this in this little uh battle between HTC and Samsung or are you waiting for something better go ahead Crush well um as far as am I going to actually buy one of they're probably not um but if I had to choose um Samsung which is actually really shocking for me because I've been criticizing Samsung to everyone I know for years uh I've been pretty much a Samsung hater for a while it's not that I'm like a true hater but I I haven't been very impressed by the software I haven't been very impressed by the Aesthetics I don't want to say the hardware cuz so Samsung's always had decent Hardware it's just the way it looks you know yeah but uh I guess for me the Galaxy S6 Edge is I I like the way it looks I know that's kind of a yes I know that the edge features are pretty much useless to be honest well this is the thing I will say about the edge features and I'm sure Lan will uh will would uh would would support me on this particular claim the edge features you almost never even notice them because they're not even there uh whereas on the Note Edge when you would turn on the screen every now and then like like for example the thing I hated the most about the Note Edge um I know you can turn this off okay but um when the camera controls would move to the edge it was the worst idea ever and it just made that camera so hard to use and then every now and then you would have the edge pop up and show you like hey look a new story came on and Yahoo news who gives a crap but on the uh S6 Edge none of that absolutely none of that it's just a screen that happens to slope downward on both sides well yeah and it comes down to basically the only reason to really buy an edge is Aesthetics you're not buying it for the special features I mean if you are you're doing it wrong you know it's there's not enough there you know but uh I uh actually have had the opportunity now to uh today to mess with all three of them um because uh I I have a friend who runs sa Verizon store and so I I got about an hour with all three of them and so obviously that's not anywhere near the time that you've gotten with them but it's enough to at least get an idea for how they feel in the hand and stuff you know and uh I really liked the the I mean yeah it wasn't a lot different but uh I was surprised I guess I thought it would be I thought the edge screen would get in the way of handling and it really didn't no it it almost helps honestly yeah it helps well and you're touching yeah you're just touching the metal frame basically I mean you're not like yeah and I yeah it actually felt a little better than the the standard Galaxy S6 and it just looks cool and that's for me though the real reason I mean the real reasons why I'm not that impressed with the M9 though is I know that I know that there that the overheating has been exaggerated Joe but it I do know it does get hot you know during intense use it warm I think I guess hot probably isn't the right way to say War all of the HTC1 series devices get warmer than most because of the metal frame you know of the all aluminum design I guess would be the better I think that's probably a thing to do with I had the M I had the one 7 and you know having it outside in a case on a summer day I could really get it like pretty warm like hot warm like hot or you could be like uh you could be like that teenage girl that burned a hole in her chest by did you hear that no not what her her iPhone 6 was under a pillow and she was and her her her her upper chest was lying like you know how you you hug a pillow and you fall asleep in that particular the the phone was I think running some sort of task overnight and and it was plugged in so it it heated up so much and the the the cotton of the of the pillow allowed it to heat up so much that it actually like sort of burned that portion of the pillow which then burned like her chest ow yeah she she Tony starked herself that is hilarious and obviously you know on the local news everyone went nuts is like oh are these phones being you know they're going to kill us all or something like that but yeah that's the thing every phone is going to kill us all apparently um uh have they done any B test yet they determined that the S6 or the S6 Edge Bend yeah it bent it bent at the same what's the term the resistance the same resistance that the iPhone 6 did yeah but it was a different point they were bending it from so it really wait hold six or 6 Plus because the six didn't bend that badly it was the six plus that had the problem Oh I don't remember which one it was I think they tested against no talked to jce about this because he's doing a video about it right now and um I I I had to make sure to ask him about that too or well he asked me about it when I asked him but it's like the iPhone 6 didn't bend it didn't have the Bendy problem it was the 6 Plus yeah and then like it was found out that like the Note 3 could Bend like the same resistance so it's it's like the big super thin flat phones that seem to have the problem with the bending but I was just waiting for like someone to be like oh I drove my car over this thing and it bends Bend gate 2015 because that's the way the internet is now and it's extremely disappointing people don't even realize why we put gate at the end of C certain things they just put gate it's sarcasm to make it is sarcasm to mock people that's why we use the gate thing guys Bend gate is us going look at all these idiots complaining about bending and no offense you know it's an idiotic thing to do I'm sorry like just like oh my God if you put enough pressure on something it bends it obeys the laws of physics oh my God it's a freaking disaster like but yeah uh so the heat uh really isn't that big of a deal but I guess I do know that they've had to you know there's been bench I know benchmarks only prove so much but there's been benchmarks kind of showing that they do throttle the HTC one9 down a bit in order oh they do yeah and so I guess to me it just seems like exos is the better option this time which once again is something I never thought I'd be saying I'm actually really impressed by Samsung you know cuz I've had a lot of criticisms about the exos processing packages over the years too you know I never thought they were that great and I've had a lot of criticism about Samsung's design and the only thing I really don't like about Samsung now is I'm still not a fan of Touchwiz but I played around with a little bit bit and I think I could live with it if I was actually to it's so much better now and I I think I could live with it I I still couldn't say I would love it but I I think there are some legitimate added features that Touchwiz has now that it's doesn't have performance as an issue that I think I could you know that I think I could find it worthwhile you know I do think that well and we have to remind our our our listeners and viewers that obviously if I this is not something that's very easy to say in a review because obviously you want to you want to review a phone based on the Merit that it gives you the Merit that it's given rather uh at the outset but it it it kind of remains that any one of these phones but given that the performance is at an all-time high now with all these phones you're not going to get like stutters or a lot of crashes all the time now if you don't like the software that's on there be like lawn and he said right after the review was done he put the Google Now launcher on there and it was it was Gang Busters he loved it so much and um so that's you know there are options out there so oh yeah well and there's you can even go further than that you know you can get you know saen mod you know there's things you can do sure well not not yet not on the S6 I'm saying there will be I'm just saying there will be if you're willing to wait until next year here oh yeah oh bird you here's the thing the community the the the actual maintainers like ROM Community is actually far more efficient and quick at these things than the actual company yeah I agree I guarantee you there's going to be there's going to be an alpha signage mod 12 for the S6 and S6 Edge and the HTC 1m9 before summer well before the end of summer I guarantee it and cyanin themselves are still going to be working on whatever the hell they need to be working on right now working on right now but yeah I mean uh really though am I like would I buy I would almost buy I actually almost considered buying the Galaxy S6 probably not the edge just because I'm a cheap skate so I'd go with the cheaper options since they're basically the same thing um I do like the edge better but once again I'm cheap um but I guess for me since I have kids I don't think I could buy the S6 even if I wanted because of the the glass design you know okay because that's what happened into my Nexus 4 um was it went the way of yeah my kids destroyed well back then just one kid uh destroyed my my Nexus 4 so I don't think I want to go glass back again you know okay and uh that's why I kind of like you know but then metal is the same issue cuz metal you can get dent and Stu I don't know I kind of like plastic for the fact when you have when you're a family man plastic is kind of useful because you can drop that thing and have it be a naked cased phone and you're not going to have any issue yeah you know it used to be feature when you dropped the phone and the plastic back flew off I know yeah it was fun to watch yes all right so feisty Let's uh let's hear your side of the story um S6 or Edge or M9 uh when it comes to my wallet none of them he's cheap too I'm cheap Chromebook over here Chromebook no uh see here's the the big thing for me and this is going to boil down to some just little things and possibly stupid you might shake your head at me but we usually do I'm used to it it's a good thing this is an audio call I can't see you I am not in love with HTC right now um I've had some little things mostly just the screen uh sensitivity and Screen alignment issues with a few devices uh so but you know it's a little thing and and it's other devices but I'm not in love with HTC right now it's just a rough patch feisty it'll blow over uh it it may yes and we go back a long way trust me um say because you got the Nexus 9 and then you got like some budget HTC stuff right correct yes yeah but uh you know even going way way back back to Windows mobile with the the first full screen the the HTC Touch you know was like a four no sorry like a 3.2 or 3.4 inch full touchcreen device it was crazy you know before even the iPhone was out but yeah but anyways uh we got two of them one was perfect the other one screen Ori or the screen touch orientation was just it was toast it was garbage and yeah just the accumulation of little things of having a hard time trusting HTC right now I need to put one of their devices in hand I need to touch the M9 and I guess that's the moral of my story here is is you know the advice I give anybody is if you can do not purchase a phone before you can touch it before you can put it in your hand and push a few buttons see if you like it um now I really like the look of the S6 Edge I can't deny it it looks great but I also use phones a lot one-handed and the the base of my thumb touches the side of the screen screen a lot again I have to touch the edge but just looking at it I think it will not work for me which leaves the S6 and again another little thing I do not like Hardware home buttons I was against software button in the beginning but you know sorry what was that oh I was going to say like someone told me recently that that's the reason why they never buy Samsung phones and I kind of don't understand why what what is it about a tech home button that is so bad I do not have a mount right in behind my steering wheel in my car or maybe I do a cell phone mount right there with the phone in view while I'm driving it honest I don't have that um the mount itself holds you know it holds a phone fairly gently if I have a a software home button I can touch that without the device falling out of the the holder if you know all of the phones I've tried with a hardware button I've got a few LG devices I've tried when I have to push that home button the phone falls out of the hold or into my lap or down onto the floor underneath me and that's just not safe when you're driving never mind having a phone there that's that's perfectly fine but so yeah it's it's situations like that or you know if you're just uh you know laying there for example and you're just using your index finger and you've got your phone resting say on your knee which is exactly what I'm doing right now I have to readjust the phone so that I it's in a place that I can put enough pressure to push that Hardware button instead of just the the electrostatic you know touch of the uh the touchscreen home button it's a little thing but you there's options out there and uh these three phones I'm afraid are not the right fit for me no okay um all right well I mean it looks like we have uh a lot of a lot of different opinions on different sides of the coin um I mean obviously Joe is very happy with z9 and found ways of making the camera experience a little bit better one quick question Joe um you had the M7 and I'm thinking you may have had a little bit of time with the M8 maybe you didn't own it but you had the M8 for you you know what it's like to use the M8 nope oh no I went from I went from the M7 to the Note 3 and then I didn't upgrade it all in 2014 got it so you might be the case scenario that a lot of people were expecting with the M9 where if you had the M8 going to the M9 is not necessarily the the best choice because the M9 has such a similar build and feel to the M8 but you might be the kind of person that we all as reviewers when we were all there at HTC frequencies we all we all thought you know if you have the M7 you haven't upgraded at all like this would be the next logical step so okay so if you if you never had the M8 then that's fine um does the M9 give enough of a different change for you coming from the M7 definitely oh definitely um it it first of all I mean it's 3 in bigger and that's very noticeable especially when you're coming down from a 5 point cuz I went from a 4.7 in screen to what what was the Note 3 a 5.7 in screen yep 5.7 you know and then coming back down to five was uh a much it's it the that 3 in means more than you'd think it would you know just like ergonomically um the thing is it's really difficult to judge something based on like like from like a software perspective yes there is a lot different than when I cuz I only made it to Jelly Bean I I didn't get the uh I didn't wait for the lollipop update on the 1 M7 cuz I don't have it anymore but um it's just you know the way I look at things like that is you know I have a laptop when I upgrade my laptop it's going to have a 15.6 in screen it's going to have a keyboard and a back and a front and a battery and some ports on the sides of it all laptops are designed invariably the same way and like when I look at cell phones it's the same thing like I'm going from uh a a glass metal plastic brick to another glassmetal plastic brick and uh I think the idea that it's you know like the upgrades are worth it you know based on whether or not they're worth it I mean like I went from from a 32-bit architecture to a 64-bit architecture I think that's going to play eventually you know I think it's going to matter eventually um you know I went from having to root my device to get lollipop to just having lollipop which has been a different experience believe it or not like having a rout enabled you know having like a a ROM because I had I had to run a note 4 port to get lollipop on my Note 3 and that thing ran like garbage that was a terrible wrong if you have a Note 3 don't flash a note 4 Port they're terrible but like having it like you know without having to root it and having it is is nice um like it I can't I I don't I never tell people to buy phones like that is just a policy of mine don't ever listen to me if you're going to buy a phone I'm the person to listen to what you've decided on whether or not you're going to buy a phone um but you know the way I look at it is you know the the the camera is better you know you're going from four cores to eight cores 32bit to 64-bit um same Ram probably close enough to the same OS close enough to the same speakers and you know I mean people know what they really want in an upgrade whether they want something ridiculously different or something that's pretty much the same but works a little bit better but in my mind's eye it's worth the upgrade from the M7 and the M8 uh strictly for the updated specs in my in my opinion that is my opinion okay um I will pretty much I I think people are are it's pretty obvious where I stand on this particular side um I am a big S6 fan uh and I've warmed up to the edge after not really knowing it knowing what it was it didn't really make sense to me at mwc but after using it for a week now about two weeks I I do really enjoy it it's really the camera that gets me though like having to fiddle through so many options just to get a decent shot of the M9 whereas on the S6 I I can I can be pretty sure that I'm getting a good-looking photo every time uh not every time but most times um that kind of does it for me I'm obviously I'm I'm coming from the video/ photocreative side so if it's a good camera that's going to be the first thing that I flock to um but these are not the only phones that we're going to have this year obviously it is only now April and LG G4 LG exactly the G4 is coming out Wai I love this one upmanship that LG is doing with their phone it's like uh oh your back is glass ours is going to be leathered oh 1.9 F 1.9 aperature 1.8 like well I would have been a I would have been a glex 2 owner I will tell you that much if it would have been as good as it looked at CES it's got to be and it wasn't honestly it wasn't yeah exactly but I was really hyped I was willing to buy it but then you know the reviews came you know your review and everything I like I guess they have to do that's that's LG's thing they have to do something great with the software or else I'm still not going to buy in you know the the G2 was great the G3 was pretty great um it wasn't it wasn't so revolutionary that I would have bought it in a heartbeat the way that I kind of feel the S6 and the edge are um but really it's it's all about that software if they're if they camera is going to be that good and have laser guided autofocus I do like that idea but if the software is as clunky as it was in the glex 2 I'm not going to be very happy with it I I really do think that and of course we have Sony a couple other manufacturers who knows what the Chinese manufacturers are going to come out with this year there's probably going to be some great stuff so obviously this is not the only debate we're going to have this is just focusing on this particular dichotomy between HTC and Samsung so it's nice to get all of your guys' feedback on it if there's anybody else in here in the chat that wanted to kind of give any last opinions on this particular topic you can go ahead otherwise I'm going to go ahead and sign us off I think I'm good have a great week folks trip trip trip trip 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listen to more episodes of the Friday debate podcast and don't forget to finish off your day at Android authority.com when you're done with all of that because we are your source for all things Android Android that might have been the best one we've done yet everyone was almost in sync what is going on nhello everybody and welcome to the Friday debate podcast by Android authority discussing topics in Android every single week I am of course your host for the fdp Joshua varar what's going on everybody and once again I am joined by the usual panel of hosts Andrew grush Jonathan Feist and Joe Hindi as we take on a very device Centric look at some particular devices that came out or as we learned in the beginning of the podcast haven't even come out yet in the case of the Apple watch uh but we did talk about the Samsung Galaxy S6 and the S6 Edge along with the hcc1 M9 of which are really close to being released and out to the public and of course you can find the reviews for all of those devices on androidauthority.com but nonetheless we talk at length about our thoughts on the Apple watch and even smart watches in general and then get into which of the two Flagship devices that just came out we would want to buy with our own money as always you can follow Android authority across all social media networks and if you're watching the YouTube version of this podcast thank you for watching but one of the best ways of listening to the Friday debate podcast is through your favorite podcast programs pocketcast iTunes Stitcher and of course we're going to be getting these podcasts up on Soundcloud very soon as per uh the uh the requests by a lot of you so that is going to happen very soon and we'll let you know when some changes to the podcast are going to happen soon by the way but we're going to let you know about those in a small episode that I will post probably about 5 minutes long pretty soon where we're going to get your feedback your suggestions for topics and we might even do some Q Q Anda based upon some questions you want to know about us without any further Ado here is episode number 12 of the Friday de Bay podcast by Android authority hope you guys enjoy it's in the way that she use it I was just like rack I was like crap I forgot to bring a joke this week that's what she said tasers tasers h love that one that's from uh from one of my favorite podcasts anyone here listen to Harman town no no Community Creator Dan Harmon oh man my favorite one and they that's the song that they always use whenever it's like the end of a movie where all everything has been resolved and there's like that Freeze Frame like Breakfast Club style of the guy with his arm in the air and he just hear it's in the way that you use it oh man oh man so how's uh how's everybody been since last week we had a double future last week so I hope everybody got a very nice dose of the fdp last week that almost sounds wrong if you took out the F I'm pretty sure iTunes mark this as as uh as explicit we we just got flagged by by Apple right now yep sorry guys we haven't even started talking about the Apple watch yet and we already I know right oh man that's going to be this is going to be a fun podcast guys I can feel it in my bones but yeah how's everybody been since last week's double feature I've been good a very a very concise and succinct response from Joe for once look at that yeah just just been uh going through the motions doing my stuff it's going to slowly get shorter and shorter one day I'm going to ask how how you doing Joey's go me good cool how about you um yeah doing good it's it it's been very rainy around here so that's been kind of sucky I've been stuck in the house a lot more than I'd like so but otherwise yeah it's been pretty much same as usual hopefully not too much Cabin Fever I I suppose no I try to try to get out when it's not raining okay and then Feist if I'm not mistaken you're coming to us from an N9 no no um oh you're going to spoil it all I had to turn it right off because it keeps crashing the router with Skype oh I'm coming to you today from an iPad Mini oh no oh no Dark Side click which leads into how my week has been you know I've been with tap times I've got the iPad sorry the iPad Air 2 the iPad Mini 3 and you know I've been putting them through their paces and U I've just been finally getting all of my verses articles out so I did the iPad Air 2 versus The Nexus 9 last week and uh I I just put out kind of a side by side of the iPad Air 2 and the iPad Mini 3 here last night and sorry uh at the time of that you are listening to this podcast it would be two days ago um you know it's been it's been exciting putting these things through their paces and it's been an awful lot of work to put the words together but you guys know that especially with all the uh Galaxy S6 and uh uh one M9 stuff you've been putting together lately yeah definitely I mean there are there there's there's almost endless amounts of content that we're trying to get out but you know obligations are always kind of mixed up when it comes to being like the ones with the devices so uh A lot's still coming I have like a camera shootout that's very close to being done which I actually am I'm actually kind of happy that I held off on the Galaxy S6 camera shootout because ever since I first put together the batch of photos and videos that I wanted I took even more so I'm even more familiar with the camera than before and I'm going to do the same thing with the 1 M9 most likely while I'm out in Seattle over this weekend uh I'm actually going to be going up there with with my girlfriend to see my best friend and yeah this is kind of a habit that I'm kind of not too happy about these days um I've done it for the last however so long I've been with Android authority but when I go somewhere for like a siesta or some sort of break I tend to bring my work with me anyway but n maybe one day I'll finally like be able to not do that but that's going to happen this week so the 1 M9 is is the phone I'll be using throughout my 4 days in Seattle and Hur is pretty cold up there so hopefully uh the uh the cold touch of the metal won't kill me oh it's so cold let me tell you oh boy you if that metal gets too cold just pick up the 1 M9 it'll heat your hands right up or I'll just plug it in yeah that's the thing about the M9 it's like it's when it's plugged in that it gets like really warm so I'll just bring an external battery with me oh too cold it's almost like having to plug in your car just to just to warm it up this is why I will never survive in snow but if um if it's not obvious to all of our listen just yet we're already jumping into it just without even knowing it it's a very device Centric episode of the Friday debate podcast this week um we're going to revisit a couple of topics that we have kind of talked about in the past but now that the releases have actually happened by the time this podcast comes out or is released rather um we have a few devices to talk about but we're going to go ahead and get one out of the way first uh feisty kind of gave us a segue we are going to talk about the Apple watch a little bit a lot of reviews are coming out people are getting them on their wrists actually I was out in a about in La uh Downtown LA today I did notice a lot of people wearing it and I expected there to be a line outside of Apple but it doesn't seem like there was um I don't know if anyone has a full pulse on how the Apple watch is doing but does it look like it's uh it has the clout that the iPhone does are there are people clamoring for this this product does anybody have have a beat on that no I'm sorry aside from the obvious reasons why that would be a no but but yeah what were you guyson to say gushy well I mean uh I don't think I mean I haven't heard a lot of granted I most of my friends and people I associate with are um use Android or actually have a couple believe it or not that use Windows phone uh but uh the Apple people that I do have in my life they they really aren't that excited for it so from my end no I haven't heard a lot but uh even if there isn't a lot it doesn't really say much at this point because if you remember uh the iPhone initially wasn't like a super super hoteller in its first generation well that might be true but we're talking about a company that didn't have that we're talking about a company that up until that point was kind of unknown I mean of course you have that's not true you have huge okay that's true the iPod the iPod was huge and so this is a whole new product category for apple and apple consumers have to be you know I I think it's going to take a few generations for people to care you know well there should have been like enough I I just kind of feel like there should have been enough momentum behind quite literally everything that they had already that everyone was just going to flock to it I mean obviously at the announcement I mean I remember watching the entire thing I even live tweeted the thing and um just giving my opinions on just all of the information there I just remember um uh thinking to myself that everyone is going to buy this just because it's apple and I'm kind of unsure of whether or not that's still true and from what I observed down in Downtown LA it doesn't seem like it is yet well I did say yet you you know that you don't see a lot of advertising yet I mean yeah I've seen a little advertising but it's not been like blasted everywhere at least not from what from where I've seen have you guys seen a lot of advertising I think I saw one thing on TV the other day oh I've I've seen the ad quite a few times by now really I guess I don't watch a lot of TV TV since of a cord cutter um I've I mean I've been watching TV pretty I mean a lot over the last couple days like watching like Agents of Shield and stuff I haven't seen anything on television about the Apple watch yet uh I didn't even know it uh it was released until I saw that the you know the Verge and a couple other places had reviews up today like I didn't even know it was out and actually I didn't even know it was released like to the public until Josh said he saw people in La wearing them no no I'm saying I haven't really seen anybody oh haven't okay has it been released to the public I thought it was by now but I could be wrong but the reviews definitely are coming out um that it just shows you how just how just how much Android authority is not into the yeah I know like I'm listening to you guys talking I'm like everything you guys are saying is like brand new information to me so like I'm like you know I mean I'm a tech blogger I should know this stuff but usually I you know I know when something we're totally off base here there's a reason we haven't seen anything lining up um the reviews are out but the the watch itself doesn't come out till April 24th oh 24th a little ahead oops well okay if I could if I could say I know grety said that he hasn't seen much of the advertising yet but I have seen so much that it made me think that it was out already uh so I guess I kind of assumed with all the reviews and stuff that but I guess Apple does tend to let the reviews happen earlier you know than the release on some of their stuff and maybe because it's a new product category too they're trying to drum up you know get up a little bit of a yeah we're a little we're a little off off to a bad start cuz we didn't even know check that oops Yeah but before we uh before we started recording I said this was going to be a really good podcast I have been wrong so far hey it's it's been entertaining hey're we're proving we're not Apple Fanboys at least yeah no no one can ever say that we're Apple Fanboys ever except for maybe feisty over there I'm waiting for I'm I'm definitely waiting for a YouTube comment on the YouTube side of things it's like oh they lost all credibility when it comes to Apple products we're like good we're like we so do you guys want me to abuse a relationship of mine and uh give you some Insider information on the Apple watch yes pleas yeah my wife's cousin actually works at the local Apple Store at I was chatting with him the other day just general conversation I wasn't specifically asking about the watch um but he and the rest of the employees they're getting some rather intense training for the watch coming up and not just general device you know here's the specifications but they're actually kind of taking a a jewry approach he said U so they're you know they're going to be pushing the w i shouldn't say pushing the watch but uh you know marketing the watch in store uh from a jewelry an accessory perspective instead of a device perspective I mean that that sounds a little bit smart but at the same time it's going to be weird seeing those kinds of Jewel cases and stuff in in the Apple Store and much less have that that I I bet you they're going to get like a model some dude in a some dude in a suit standing outside of the Apple Store it's like oh have you seen the Apple watch very some very successful looking woman in her mid-30s wearing a pants suit like you know wink like be sorry go on joh uh I was I was adding on to the nonsense I was just spouting please go ahead that's all I was going to do I was going to say there's going to be some guy standing up front possibly me wearing an Android were watch being like Oh have you seen the new Apple watch great all right not to totally uh derail this but have any of you seen the um what was that it was on one of the late night I can't remember what show where that was the uh Apple pocket watch did anyone see that no but that sounds I can't remember who it was maybe it was I don't even remember I watched so many late night you know the skits and stuff but anyway it was just a it was just an iPhone um with a uh one of those like uh sandwich you know one of those clips you know that Ed for like a clipboard clip to it and then it was a a wallet chain and they're it was pretty funny I I wish I had the link but was about a week ago but uh it just popped into my head when he said that the Apple yeah they're called the Apple pocket watch yeah and it's like it's like it's more than just a clip and a wallet chain it's it was some ridiculous price like 2,000 something you know it was but it was pretty funny but uh and apple got 300 pre-orders that night for a product that didn't exist probably so I do have to ask uh while you know while we're on the topic even if we uh this isn't the release week for it but it is the review release week I guess for this device embargo it's the Embargo embargo for so uh I guess does anyone think that I mean I can see some rich people buying the the expensive $10,000 Edition 17 but uh I guess for me the thing is people spend that much on watches yes but those watches last many years I would think you know I don't you know I'm sure there are rich people who trade out their watches every year but usually when you invest 10 grand in a watch you're keeping it for a long time do you think Apple I mean I haven't heard anything from Apple but do you think they have any kind of you almost think they'd have to have some kind of uh like contingency like hey we'll replace you know we'll be able to replace the band you know the the watch internals for so many years you know Apple should have done something along those lines because the fact is spending $10,000 for something that's going to be obsolete next year seems pretty crazy to me well see that's that's an assumption that we're making that it will be obsolete um the the thing that we've seen with SmartWatches up until this point is that as long as the intern as long as the software itself doesn't massively evolve the internals can remain the same and there's so many Android Weare applications and iterations out there that all kind of basically follow the same type of specification sheet that you know I wouldn't be surprised if the Apple watch was a standalone product and they never refreshed it um of course that's that's ludicrous to you say and imagine but I think that the release cycle for an Apple Watch is not going to be something that makes $10,000 a waste that's what I keep thinking well I suppose it's true to an extent because there probably isn't need for a brand new one every year but as Battery Technology hopefully someday gets better that would make a difference you know true um and that also assumes and I don't like assuming but that also assumes that Apple uh thinks that they got the design of this first one so right I don't I don't agree with that at all yeah do you guys like the looks of this thing I mean at all uh I actually don't mind it so much um I don't think it's that bad click shun the nonbeliever sorry yeah don't hang up on me but you know as far as a smartwatch goes having a display on it it you know it's not too until you turn it on and look at the OS that's another story but actual physical build I can live with it as a smartwatch you know what I I do kind of agree it was one the review started coming out that I started really reading up on the build quality of the thing and I I do kind of agree it does seem to have a nice Sheen to it you know and it has this this this a of build quality that's quite nice and I will admit the I've seen the the videos from uh particular websites of the uh they call the crown I believe the uh the the knob that that Scrolls through everything that's actually not a bad idea yeah I like it I'll admit I like that aspect I thought that was cool but they called it crown for real yeah yeah it's called The Crown narcissistic bastards jeez that's actually the the term for I don't think that's an apple specific spefic term oh actual watch term a real watch term I think that's that's what it's always been called on a watch right I did not know that just you know it just seems so like ridiculous Apple calls it the crown we're going to call the the watch face the jewels so you can have the crown and jewels all the time feel like a king when you buy her $10,000 Smartwatch like it just sounds like something Apple would do I'm sorry actually called a crown that is my bad yeah everyone feels like a king when they have the Apple watch and the first time the watch goes off silence but yeah I guess I guess our sophisticated s probably just refer to it as like a knob but it is technically called a crown just to be fair that's not an apple thing I agree with Joe though like to call something like a knob that just doesn't sound like apples thing like it doesn't sound it doesn't sound Regal enough if we're going to continue with this whole royalty analogy um but yeah I I 2.5d glass is what it's usually called but that's you know the shape of the the top the rear of it aside from just being an optical sensor for heart rate monitoring it actually looks like what the back of a expensive watch would look like and I can't help but think that most of these review units happen to be at least the mid-range ones cuz I imagine the 349 one is is not going to really have that same that same look and you know you got to give credit where credits do we I I I obviously looked at a couple of high-end websites that are kind of around our level um in terms of video production uh if not higher uh the obvious one being The Verge and you know they they obviously have their film making uh uh creating the image of this watch so what looks incredibly nice and very very shiny on video might end up looking like a dud in real life to me true so but yeah no I I agree that I guess when I first saw the Apple watch and ever since then it wasn't that it's ugly I mean at first it kind of was like it's not that it's ugly it's that Apple usually tries to you know not just do another me too they try to outdo their design in some way and the Apple watch if you didn't know it was an Apple Watch you would just think it was any other Smartwatch you know mhm so there's nothing wrong with the design in my opinion there's just nothing special about it either if that makes sense you know sure but it has the eye Crown come on yeah except for that's what they should have called it was the eye crown holy crap that that would have fit right in missed opportunity the thing that's getting me about all the reviews though is it feels like the HTC1 M9 thing all over again where it's it's probably has pre-released software um I was reading virgin I I made it down to the point where he said it was like oh yeah you know we reached out to Apple and they said that they were going to update it to fix a lot of these issues and I stopped reading the review right there it's like what the hell's the point of continuing to read if the whole experience is going to be different in the next 14 to 21 days you know so and it's the same thing with Android Weare if you guys remember when Android Wear first came out like oh my God it was terrible like I remember like turning on my watch it was screen tearing all the time like apps wouldn't open properly I turned off the Google Fit step counter because it thought that me typing was me walking so I had like 100,000 steps every day I was like I can't do this I need to turn this off cuz I was like congratulations you walked 100,000 steps today I was like congratulations you're being disabled forever so like you know and and then you see like the the results from that like you know what was it been you know 8 10 months later and you know it's the the OS is almost in you mean it's got the same basic core functionality stuff but it's you know so much better it's got a lot more polish and like even my you know the LG G watch that I have you know on me it works so much better there's less drops it's faster you know the apps work better the the faces apply better and work better no more screen tearing and it you know like uh Josh was saying like you know the the spec probably don't need to change you know 12 months from now once Apple gets a few of these updates down the line you know it's going to be yeah I think that it's going to work a little bit better than it does now so I think uh you know I think it's going to be a one of those thing it's a wait and see kind of thing I think it's too early to say whether the watch is actually good or bad right now well yeah well it's right now that obviously reviews are going to focus on and it's right now that we're going to hopefully get our own versions uh hopefully the 349 versions who knows if I I really do hope the Android authority doesn't go too crazy on the Apple watches and gets the mid-range ones or anything we don't need the the super expensive ones no we just need to be able to compare the UI we don't care exact we don't really care about the build quality maybe we can even go to a store and just look at it and then compare it to a couple things like for example like the G Watch r or the Urbane and stuff um or the Huawei watch you know whatever but uh it's it's the right now that people are going to be focusing on and it does seem like like everything so basic still you know it's still a full-on notification center and this was this is the one that I that I saw pretty much across the board everyone was unhappy about it's a catchall for all notifications so you're literally getting a beep and a vibrate for every single little thing that happens on on your phone and it's that's obviously where a lot of these SmartWatches kind of fail because a lot of people don't want to be reminded of just how much they're missing and um that's the kind of the reason why and and we don't have to bring it up like fully right now and talk about it but that's the reason why I really enjoy the pebble ecosystem yeah I was going to ask uh pop quiz for everyone except for Fe since he doesn't have Android Wear um are all of you using your Android Weare watch right now is it on you uh no I have my Fitbit on right now yeah I have a I have a Fitbit on right now as well there you go see and then feisty you don't do you have any any of those watches none at all uh at the at this time no none at all I got a fit bit in the mail but uh because joining our our fit group or whatever what do we call it I don't even know what it's officially called but yeah okay the a I am carrying my weight a little bit inappropriately at the moment yes I'm joining the club the club yeah see that's the other side of the coin is the fact that some of the functions that these smartw watches have I've given up on on these smart watches as being a viable Fitness tracking platform I just can't I just don't think that they are um I have very specific needs when it comes to my health obviously with you know diabetes tracking blood sugar but also I like I like I really like to track my heart rate as accurately as possible and see the progress that I make throughout a workout I don't have a Fitbit but I have a polar M400 and I I use the heart rate monitor strap that goes under your your or on your torso I should say and uh yeah I like having that and it does activity tracking whatnot I actually haven't worn any of my Android Wear um or even my pebble since I got this polar and I guess that's where my idea with the Apple watch comes in is that you know even though I did order the pebble time and I can't wait for it to come cuz I actually really like the pebble ecosystem because it's very customizable those issues of like catchall notifications can be fixed with third party software that users create based on user needs I love that but you know I just for for my basic needs I I really don't need something that tries to be everything yeah I've learned that too I I liked I still like my Moto 360 right now my wife's using it um I still like it but I guess after a while I mean when I'm out the only time I miss it is if I'm out and about for a long period of time and you know it was kind of nice to get certain emails and stuff on my wrist it was you know at home it's not really useful at all um and then the whole battery issue I just I got sick of charging all the time and granted uh the Moto 360 is not nearly as bad um on battery life as people believe it it which actually that was a point I was going to make earlier is the bad thing about and this isn't just the Apple watch or the Moto 360 this is pretty much applies to all technology um unfortunately a lot of the times the software is not perfect out the gate when you get these review units and uh but those Impressions last forever you know yeah definitely oh trust me dude I I know the day I got my HTC 109 I got like 37 did you wear oven mitts when you grabbed it comments yeah exactly once you get are youing getting you hav kidding me did you not read any of the 990,000 reviews that all debunk that stupid claim nope First Impressions last forever and apparently the HTC1 M9 can cook bread if you lay it on top of it right what day we're going to do a segment on the channel where Joe responds to everyone's terrible YouTube comments and he's going to use that voice the whole video did you wear I am so down cuz that's how I answer them in my head anyway so uh one one place I wanted wanted to uh kind of revert back to um feisty mentioned the uh the software in Apple watch I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on it like obviously none of us have actually used the software that will be on the Apple watch but it sounded like you had some opinions on it you want to kind of elaborate on that Feist you know Joe just mentioned it those first impressions one of the absolute first pictures I saw the Apple watch like after the official announcement was kind of that home screen with all of those bubbles and and I honestly bent over laughing it was to me it was absolutely horrid and I haven't gotten over that you know man just got like this image of who's the guy that does the design for Apple Johnny eyes right I imagine like that guy like having like a kid and the kid's at home blowing bubbles in his chocolate milk he looks in there and goes UI I've got it got into his electric car and drove to Apple headquarters is like I got it guys I got it bubbles it's hard to make a it's hard it's hard to make a scene in a movie really dramatic when you're speeding off in a car when you're driving a Prius um did you guys see that video by the way on on YouTube uh created originally by uh you know a friend of Android authorities Armando Ferrara his um where he got that that Spanish video of that guy laughing about telling a story and he put subtitles about how the MacBook the new Macbook was created oh yes oh so good I give him props for putting that out there that was such a great great comedic uh video If you haven't seen it you guys totally should Joe and Andrew um take a look yeah definitely take take a look at take a look at it after the recording um so uh Apple I had one more thought about the Apple watch and I'm totally blanking right now um does anyone else have any thoughts while he tries to I don't know piece it together right now I'm trying to figure out what cuz I think cuz Darcy messaged me on slack and then totally totally put me out of whack um man what was it that I wanted to say oh um I remember live tweeting the event and when the Apple watch was announced and they said the the up to $177,000 thing I I guess the one thing that kind of gets me about the whole Apple ecosystem in general is that people are going to pay as much as they want for the version that they want and that's perfectly fine but but the one that gets me the tweet that I put out that got like the most retweets and and and favorites or whatever was uh I swear to God if I hear kids begging their parents for the most expensive one because sure you will $17,000 that's like that's like one year's tuition at an average college and that's that blows my mind I cannot believe that and it just kind of turns me off to the entire thing in general the fact that if I see this super expensive version out in the wild I wonder where human where Mankind's priorities lie so that was like I said especially when espe I mean yeah people spend this much on like I said before people spend this much on watches you know people who have money but when they do it you know to be fair they're talk you know it's a 10 plus year investment I mean that's still a lot of money more money than I would ever spent on a watch but if you have the money so be it but to spend money on something that's technology that you know like you said it may not go obsolete as quickly as you know we might think but it's still going to go obsolete eventually you know yeah it sounded like someone else was going to chime in there was that you feisty yeah that was me I I was going to channel the Apple haters just for a moment here uh you know and and you brought up this video about the new Macbook and and it kind of plays off of that as well where in the video spoiler alert uh basically the guys are laughing off the fact that they're ripping off the customers and I I can't help but feel that a little bit with the expensive watch here wherein you know it's different material different experience you know you're getting something for what you pay but at the same time it feels a little bit like you know what let's just charge 17,000 for it no maybe maybe1 18,000 you know just a you know for extra service you get a free t-shirt you know whatever it may be but it's like they were playing craps and the yeah I was just going to liken it to Rolling like Dungeons and Dragons dice oh that too yeah there you go roll 10 d20s and just add them up you know and uh one thing to think about I remember reading this a while ago and I kind of uh you know when it comes to these watches you know real watches that cost that mount of money you have to realize that like a lot of the times they're made by some like one person who spends like six months hand you know six months hand making them every little component you know putting it together you know intricately uh whereas the $117,000 Apple watch is not handmade obviously well it's it's handmade but it's you know like 1,700 Chinese kids well yeah yeah but it's not you know it's a so I guess I'm saying at least there's you know some value to be said that well this is this you know some of these uh famous watch makers might only make two or three watches a year you know and so you're buying their time you know you're not just buying a product you're buying their time you're buying you're supporting their life you know life's work but uh that's not the same case with a tech you know with a digital device that it's not because when you because when you buy an iPhone or or iPad or an Apple Watch The the those factories in China those workers never get they they don't feel that I remember that reminds me of the of the tweet that I put out during the announcement they they were showing the um like the procedure of putting together the new Macbook or the putting together the new watch and there were all these like die casting and all this metal and stuff like that and I remember tweeting out is this what a Chinese Factory looks like and and Michael Fisher he uh he he tweeted he he he responded to me and he was like totally including all of the all of the dramatic lighting and all oh man um oh they did Miss they missed the part where the disgruntled Chinese workers are Hawking lugies into the product as it's being assembled cuz you know what that's that's what I would freaking do oh my God so here's the diecast metal and there's the screen Crystal I mean we you blame him I mean it's it's it's it's kind of harsh uh we are we might be being a little bit harsh on Apple with all that stuff but honestly it's this is how we might be channeling what a lot of people are thinking you know cuz the um the the way that Apple has created this Commerce uh when it comes to their own products you know I I've I can't help but think about just what it's like to be if you you know if you haven't been out of the US to see just what Commerce is like in other countries I really recommend you you you try like going to like Hong Kong and just realizing that the entire city revolves around things and whenever there's a new thing that comes out you could just go to a corner store and they have a bunch of those things for sale right there at at marked up prices cuz you know cuz what they do is they they get it themselves and then Mark them up because just that's just how much people want it and people will pay that much for uh for items just to be ahead of the curve uh so to speak and it's almost as if Apple's playing into that and I don't think the US is quite on that level um but I'd be afraid of that being the case so and you know it's that um it's that mentality especially amongst Apple Fans cuz you know Apple Fans Buy Apple things you know almost regardless of its actual value just because it's Apple things and I think that's why the Apple watch is ultimately going to be popular even if it's just like the cheaper ones you know the three you know the 349 ones like I think that's that's how I I hate to say it because you know the four all four of us except for for feisty has a uh all three of us except for feisty or whatever how you want to say it has an has an Android Wear Smartwatch and it's like you know it's they can't seem to break into the mainstream with it but you know Apple you know can leverage its culture like cuz Android doesn't have a culture like that like people don't walk around and go I got the latest Android because no one knows what the hell the latest Android is anymore um but you know with apples I got the latest Apple watch there is only one Apple watch I mean I mean we should I don't know this off the top of my head cuz I don't deal with devices like you guys do but I don't even know what the latest Android we watch is right now M like I know is the Urbano out Urbane you mean whatever see this is this is why I'm really bad in these kinds of device Centric podcast I'm a software guy I don't know this stuff no those are those are still on their way especially that one in the Huawei watch the huawe which I like the Huawei watch see I didn't even know the hwei watch ex like that's the problem like everybody knows the Apple watch is coming everybody knows the Apple watch you know there is no the Android Wear watch there's like 16 of them and some of them are out and some of them aren't and some of them are round or some of them are square and while you do get that like variety you don't get that like punch you don't get that the Android Wear Smartwatch the Boom the big the thing that you advertise on television like and Apple has that and they have the culture of people that will buy the out of it for like no reason whatsoever so I think that like in terms of like mainstream popularity I think apple is going to win I'm not sure about mainstream popularity buying yes but I don't know I don't think I I'm I would not be shocked if the same thing happens that we're seeing with every other wearable device and that's that they say statistically no one uses a wearable whether it be a fitness tracker or a watch for more than six months before they get bored and they move on and uh I wouldn't be surprised if Apple watch this the same way you know yeah I didn't say people were going to continue using it I just said a whole bunch of them it was it's going to be a thing that people know about you like the average consumer knows that there's kind of sort of like an Android where I where do you even buy the damn things well this is a this is a this is a culture that was cultivated by Google and it was uh because you know look at what happened when Samsung started to kind of butt heads with all the other manufacturers like HTC and LG saying that they were the phone um they were the Android phone or they were the one to get um whether not that's still true is Up For Debate but look what Google did they started pulling the rein on Android and now there's there's kind of now now they have this whole campaign and you see the weird commercials all the time on on you know uh be together not the same together not the same which I love that campaign to be honest but that's the thing like it's also going to cultivate this culture of we're not going to have any one device in Android Android that is the definitive device and that's I think what Apple knew coming into the ecosystem coming into the market was that they had to create the one thing the one platform and uh you know in that sense they've succeeded they haven't you know but it also makes them a very closed off company it makes them Boutique in that way you know it makes them the Mont Blanc of pens you know like like in that sense it also makes so they can charge $177,000 for watching exactly yeah that's kind of the point though isn't it like that kind of their whole stick is to be like you know we are Apple you know nothing outside of Apple is Apple you can only get apple if you buy Apple app Apple applea Apple Apple Apple Apple Apple orange no get the hell out Apple our podcast it turns into us all becoming minions Apple 45 minutes now we're all just chanting it apple apple see feisty's got to be careful I know he's been a little quiet you know lately but he's got to be careful because if he says too many negative Apple things his iPad is going to explode how do you I turned that function off you can't dis what are you talking about you can't disable features in iOS you're stuck with whatever they tell you so having uh I want to I kind of want to hear from Fey then if um do how do you feel about because because uh Andrew Joe and I we've all been speaking at length about the implications behind having a platform like this you know having used um you know you're you're now in the tablet world with the iPads iPad Air iPad Mini whatnot um how how how how do you where do you fall um in what we're talking about this this Commerce idea that Apple's created for its for its consumers uh you know I I totally agree you know they they've kind of got that lock down on their products and there's no question that there's kind of a cult following to to the apple and you know the whole iOS system um I do think that they overcharge sometimes uh in some cases I I do believe they're ripping off the customers just because they can uh for the most part uh don't get me wrong it's still early days I I've really never used iPads before I've only had these things for a short time but they are very solid devices and they are you I haven't push them hard but they're good units and and I'm okay with them uh now on the watch specifically again I haven't touched the I haven't dug deep into the apps yet I am still so ingrained into Android that uh I haven't thought about it I haven't really needed to uh you know I'm trying to do all of the things that what I assume a basic user would uh you know would want out of an iPad but uh yeah I haven't pushed it like every Thursday I do my Android customization post and I'm always you know digging deep using you know Tasker and zup widget to build my own home screen I haven't done any of that on the on iOS yet and and I have no idea how to do it um now the watch uh from a consumer level uh now Joe was talking about how as you know Android Wear isn't gone you know hasn't gone big very much and I think a lot of that has to do with no like you was saying just the availability and the marketing behind it where it's kind of us nerds techgeeks and stuff that that know about the watches uh whereas on the Apple side exactly what Joe was saying is it's going to be the average Joe if you will U that finds out about this watch they're going to walk into the Apple store for you know support or what you can still laughing at my Joe joke I'm sorry you know average average user Average Joe is going to walk into the Apple Store be like hey they've got a watch and they're going to buy one one uh you know budget pending of course um but one other aspect something that we've been really looking at in tab times anyways is the business side of it um now I don't know if you guys remember what it's like to to go to it a day job I'm not going to say a real job but you know report to somebody at a specific time every day um there's a lot of bring your own device going on in the in the corporate world where you know people are getting to use their own Android devices their own iPhones what have you and I think I'm taking a wild guess here uh but when watches make it into these corporate inventory I think it's going to be the Apple watch and not an Android Wear watch that's fair I think uh I think there's a little bit more room in the third party application space for an Apple Watch to have um especially when you consider all the different security applications or even certain certain apps that that people in a corporate workspace would be able to use I kind of agree with that um because Android Weare for all intents and purposes now is a notification center and doesn't really give you too much else so um but yeah I totally agree with that all right we have been talking for Apple for quite a while at this point and quite honestly I've had a lot of fun going up and down that particular road cuz we we had we definitely had some Peaks and vales with that topic but yeah a little bit but the uh still had a great foot not not even knowing when it releases yeah so it's coming eventually yesterday tomorrow releasing soon I swear to God though I've seen that ad so many times that I thought it had come out already but anyway um so we have this is a device Centric episode of the debate and we are revisiting particular topics which is why we're we're kind of Loosey Goosey about it right now so um our uh our second half of the podcast is going to be devoted to what has been or will will be very soon released around the time of this podcast release uh the Samsung Galaxy S6 S6 Edge and of course the HTC1 M9 now I of course have the S6 and the S6 Edge uh Joe if I'm not mistaken you just got your M9 right damn skippy you did mention it earlier and Joe was the one that said I don't care what anybody says I'm getting the M9 I think you were you were all in from the get-go right Joe dude I Got That Thing 2 days after the pre-orders open like isn't it like not supposed to be like released in stores for like another two days or something they just sent the pre-orders out early something like but they yeah they released the uh for pre- they released it pretty yeah so like I mean I had mine before April even started yeah I said I was getting one and I got one like I woke up super early it was like sitting there F5 F5 F5 oh yeah there it is nice got it I did hear reports that people on like if they pre-ordered it some people got it that day cuz I think they were able to get it from particular carrier stores if I'm not mistaken um cuz some like T-Mobile or AT&T stores had them in stock so if you had pre-ordered it that day and called your local store and they happened to have it you could just drive right over and get it um so I heard that and a lot of people were happy about that so obviously I have me with the S6 lawn with the S6 Edge we've done extensive coverage on it already with even more to come I'm very interested to hear some sort of like Mini review from Joe on the M9 like so what are your thoughts so far on your brand new purchase okay I'm I'm I'm getting ready to write up something on probably Google Plus sometime next few days about it um first uh first impressions are really really good um there are some applications that for some reason don't seem to like the HGC 109 like um swift key for instance uh likes to skip button presses like it doesn't happen on the HTC keyboard or any other keyboard I've tested just swift key where like it it skips a button every now and again or uh Final Fantasy uh Record Keeper feels unoptimized for some reason but like overall like you know using the interface using social media browsing all that stuff even blink feed blink like I had the uh One M7 cuz I was really excited about that one too and I used blink feed back then and I was like man it needs more customization there's some sites that I really don't want to look at you know blah blah blah and like they seem to have fixed all the problems that I originally had with blink feed to the point where I actually uninstalled Feedly and I don't use it anymore um I will admit yeah blink feed has really made some leaps forward and I I do enjoy reading it it's just I don't think that do okay so do you actively go to blink feed on a regular basis to to catch up on news oh yeah during pretty much all of the LAX not during all of the LAX parts of my day but during all the 5 to 10 minute LAX parts of my day oh okay cuz it strikes me as that thing you have when there's nothing else to do it's not necessarily like oh I need figure out what's happening now I you know um I that's how I am with Google Now with the the the briefing on Samsung phones like it's just there when there's literally nothing else to do yeah no exactly like it's it's the smoke brag take aoo app you know yeah right it's it's the best one for news too I mean but uh it's just like it's it's a good phone like it's one of those things like uh I I had this conversation with one of you guys I I think it was one of you guys where we were talking about how the CC1 didn't have anything that was really exceptional or was that Sony no we were saying that about Sony how there was really nothing truly exceptional about it and like the the 1 M9 is kind of the same way like there's nothing like except for the speakers obviously uh the boom sound speakers are still the best smartphone speakers hands down period ever but there's really nothing about the phone that makes it like oh my God it's like the S6 Edge where it's super unique or you know it's something ridiculous it is just a really solid smartphone like the battery life isn't amazing but it's solid you know like the the performance is actually pretty amazing most of the time except for the apps that don't play nice with it yet but you know that's more of a lollipop thing I bet though to be honest between the lollipop thing and the octacore 64-bit processor you know I it's probably just like a mixture of those things it's like you know my Ram's not being used that much but it's just uh the the missing the Taps on the swift key keyboard is the only thing that's driven me insane at this point oh that's the thing like I actually applaud you for wanting to put a different keyboard on there cuz I think that's one of the worst experiences I had on that phone I don't like the HTC keyboard it's so horrid and I I I um that was in the written review but it wasn't in the video but I yeah I hate that thing I don't know why no it it really is bad like I was uh I was typing okay and I typed it om cuz I hit the M instead of the L and it like auto corrected it to like sule and I was like okay HTC we need to have a conversation one of the one of the most fundamental aspects of a keyboard that every keyboard needs to have is when you press space It should change the word that you misspell to the word that's correct and more often than not when I hit space the word that I had misspelled remained and I that's the part that I hated a lot it's it's only when you did like spelling issues and it's because like I use that's a lot I never use punctuation when I actually type so like apostrophes or something that I make the keyboard add in when I type in t h a TS it'll put the apostrophe in for that's M but when I type in th hbts it won't autocorrect anything yeah like not even at the even if out of the apostrophe I it would be funny like tolerable amounts of funny but it doesn't correct anything so it's like but no I totally get that and then the only other thing that I that I've had a gripe with is the camera software yes not the camera itself because the sensor is act I I've uh I've posted some pictures on Google+ and on Twitter uh the sensor is actually really good like it it especially surprisingly good in low light like it's not again it's not amazing it's not phenomenal but it's really really solid uh way more solid than I thought it was going to be the postprocessing is garbage yep Holy balls and uh did you see that thread that I posted in slack the other day Josh I did I did I did I did take a look at it and it feels nice to have my thoughts validated in that way because that's that's really where I think the hole has been for Android is in how it processes the data that the sensors create because for the longest time we've been blaming the camera the camera this this this ambiguous entity called the camera when in reality all of these sensors whether or not they come from Sony or from any other sensor company you know the majority of them obviously being from Sony um how what we're doing is when we're saying the camera is bad we're saying Sony effed up and Sony just doesn't do that with Imaging they're one of the best Imaging companies out there the sensor is able to capture all the data it's just a matter of what the software does to that data in postprocessing and people don't realize that the term noise reduction should actually be said a lot more often in camera reviews for smartphones because they were it's been used way too often and the M9 is very guilty of it yeah um by the way Pro tip if you have an HTC1 M9 and you're planning on getting one um here's how to fix at least one of the problems um or two of the problems one cap your ISO at 800 do not let it go higher than 800 for the love of God if you want to see black at all in your photo don't let it go higher than 800 and then the other thing is uh go into the settings and turn uh the sharpness to -2 which totally at least from what I've read totally disables HTC's smoothening sharpening postprocessing yeah and gets a rid gets rid of pretty much all of that like Inky not solid liny thing that happens when you take photos in nonperfect light and like just those two things alone have like elevated the camera to like at least twice as good as I thought it was going to be see that's the thing it perplexes me that this company that had they basically took their their the same exact settings that they used for the ultra pixels now given that the ultra pixels were far less megapixels per se than what they have now at 20 megapixels uh it seemed to me that they took the software and the settings from the ultra pixels and put it into this 20.7 a 20 megapixel sensor when that they really didn't have to do that they they could have started from scratch idea yeah you could you could do you have to do noise reduction when a when a photo is kind of small and you're going to blow it up but now that the photo is blown up enough then they shouldn't need to use all the old software uh the other thing that uh I I read that helps out is to set it from the the image quality set it from high to medium because it it turns it down to I think 16 megapixels instead of 20 and then then you get a little bit of additional uh detail yeah detail from the down sampling yeah and then uh the last thing that I read that helps out is to change the aspect ratio to 107 instead of 169 because that is the natural size of the sensor so HTC doesn't screw with the you know the image at all it's pretty much just the the camera sensor itself with the with the most minimal amount of HTC processing available without knowing to go to places like the internet net for example to find out those little tips and I hope that I hope that we've helped some uh some M9 users I hope you're listening and you you try those out let us know how the results go in the comments uh but yeah the average user is not going to not to be able to turn those things off and I whenever I review a camera I I I rev I I use it as an auto iteration um I I do do some manual stuff and mess with the settings a little bit here and there but for the most part I'm looking at it from the eyes of a consumer that just wants to turn on the camera and try to get a good shot and that's the reason why the S6 has been so good to me is because its camera to be honest is probably the best Android camera that has come out in recent years and um or recently I should say and um that's why you know now that we've heard Joe's thoughts on it and obviously I have my review and Lon has his review out um now I want to pose the question to feisty and grush do you guys think you're going to go one way or the other in this in this little uh battle between HTC and Samsung or are you waiting for something better go ahead Crush well um as far as am I going to actually buy one of they're probably not um but if I had to choose um Samsung which is actually really shocking for me because I've been criticizing Samsung to everyone I know for years uh I've been pretty much a Samsung hater for a while it's not that I'm like a true hater but I I haven't been very impressed by the software I haven't been very impressed by the Aesthetics I don't want to say the hardware cuz so Samsung's always had decent Hardware it's just the way it looks you know yeah but uh I guess for me the Galaxy S6 Edge is I I like the way it looks I know that's kind of a yes I know that the edge features are pretty much useless to be honest well this is the thing I will say about the edge features and I'm sure Lan will uh will would uh would would support me on this particular claim the edge features you almost never even notice them because they're not even there uh whereas on the Note Edge when you would turn on the screen every now and then like like for example the thing I hated the most about the Note Edge um I know you can turn this off okay but um when the camera controls would move to the edge it was the worst idea ever and it just made that camera so hard to use and then every now and then you would have the edge pop up and show you like hey look a new story came on and Yahoo news who gives a crap but on the uh S6 Edge none of that absolutely none of that it's just a screen that happens to slope downward on both sides well yeah and it comes down to basically the only reason to really buy an edge is Aesthetics you're not buying it for the special features I mean if you are you're doing it wrong you know it's there's not enough there you know but uh I uh actually have had the opportunity now to uh today to mess with all three of them um because uh I I have a friend who runs sa Verizon store and so I I got about an hour with all three of them and so obviously that's not anywhere near the time that you've gotten with them but it's enough to at least get an idea for how they feel in the hand and stuff you know and uh I really liked the the I mean yeah it wasn't a lot different but uh I was surprised I guess I thought it would be I thought the edge screen would get in the way of handling and it really didn't no it it almost helps honestly yeah it helps well and you're touching yeah you're just touching the metal frame basically I mean you're not like yeah and I yeah it actually felt a little better than the the standard Galaxy S6 and it just looks cool and that's for me though the real reason I mean the real reasons why I'm not that impressed with the M9 though is I know that I know that there that the overheating has been exaggerated Joe but it I do know it does get hot you know during intense use it warm I think I guess hot probably isn't the right way to say War all of the HTC1 series devices get warmer than most because of the metal frame you know of the all aluminum design I guess would be the better I think that's probably a thing to do with I had the M I had the one 7 and you know having it outside in a case on a summer day I could really get it like pretty warm like hot warm like hot or you could be like uh you could be like that teenage girl that burned a hole in her chest by did you hear that no not what her her iPhone 6 was under a pillow and she was and her her her her upper chest was lying like you know how you you hug a pillow and you fall asleep in that particular the the phone was I think running some sort of task overnight and and it was plugged in so it it heated up so much and the the the cotton of the of the pillow allowed it to heat up so much that it actually like sort of burned that portion of the pillow which then burned like her chest ow yeah she she Tony starked herself that is hilarious and obviously you know on the local news everyone went nuts is like oh are these phones being you know they're going to kill us all or something like that but yeah that's the thing every phone is going to kill us all apparently um uh have they done any B test yet they determined that the S6 or the S6 Edge Bend yeah it bent it bent at the same what's the term the resistance the same resistance that the iPhone 6 did yeah but it was a different point they were bending it from so it really wait hold six or 6 Plus because the six didn't bend that badly it was the six plus that had the problem Oh I don't remember which one it was I think they tested against no talked to jce about this because he's doing a video about it right now and um I I I had to make sure to ask him about that too or well he asked me about it when I asked him but it's like the iPhone 6 didn't bend it didn't have the Bendy problem it was the 6 Plus yeah and then like it was found out that like the Note 3 could Bend like the same resistance so it's it's like the big super thin flat phones that seem to have the problem with the bending but I was just waiting for like someone to be like oh I drove my car over this thing and it bends Bend gate 2015 because that's the way the internet is now and it's extremely disappointing people don't even realize why we put gate at the end of C certain things they just put gate it's sarcasm to make it is sarcasm to mock people that's why we use the gate thing guys Bend gate is us going look at all these idiots complaining about bending and no offense you know it's an idiotic thing to do I'm sorry like just like oh my God if you put enough pressure on something it bends it obeys the laws of physics oh my God it's a freaking disaster like but yeah uh so the heat uh really isn't that big of a deal but I guess I do know that they've had to you know there's been bench I know benchmarks only prove so much but there's been benchmarks kind of showing that they do throttle the HTC one9 down a bit in order oh they do yeah and so I guess to me it just seems like exos is the better option this time which once again is something I never thought I'd be saying I'm actually really impressed by Samsung you know cuz I've had a lot of criticisms about the exos processing packages over the years too you know I never thought they were that great and I've had a lot of criticism about Samsung's design and the only thing I really don't like about Samsung now is I'm still not a fan of Touchwiz but I played around with a little bit bit and I think I could live with it if I was actually to it's so much better now and I I think I could live with it I I still couldn't say I would love it but I I think there are some legitimate added features that Touchwiz has now that it's doesn't have performance as an issue that I think I could you know that I think I could find it worthwhile you know I do think that well and we have to remind our our our listeners and viewers that obviously if I this is not something that's very easy to say in a review because obviously you want to you want to review a phone based on the Merit that it gives you the Merit that it's given rather uh at the outset but it it it kind of remains that any one of these phones but given that the performance is at an all-time high now with all these phones you're not going to get like stutters or a lot of crashes all the time now if you don't like the software that's on there be like lawn and he said right after the review was done he put the Google Now launcher on there and it was it was Gang Busters he loved it so much and um so that's you know there are options out there so oh yeah well and there's you can even go further than that you know you can get you know saen mod you know there's things you can do sure well not not yet not on the S6 I'm saying there will be I'm just saying there will be if you're willing to wait until next year here oh yeah oh bird you here's the thing the community the the the actual maintainers like ROM Community is actually far more efficient and quick at these things than the actual company yeah I agree I guarantee you there's going to be there's going to be an alpha signage mod 12 for the S6 and S6 Edge and the HTC 1m9 before summer well before the end of summer I guarantee it and cyanin themselves are still going to be working on whatever the hell they need to be working on right now working on right now but yeah I mean uh really though am I like would I buy I would almost buy I actually almost considered buying the Galaxy S6 probably not the edge just because I'm a cheap skate so I'd go with the cheaper options since they're basically the same thing um I do like the edge better but once again I'm cheap um but I guess for me since I have kids I don't think I could buy the S6 even if I wanted because of the the glass design you know okay because that's what happened into my Nexus 4 um was it went the way of yeah my kids destroyed well back then just one kid uh destroyed my my Nexus 4 so I don't think I want to go glass back again you know okay and uh that's why I kind of like you know but then metal is the same issue cuz metal you can get dent and Stu I don't know I kind of like plastic for the fact when you have when you're a family man plastic is kind of useful because you can drop that thing and have it be a naked cased phone and you're not going to have any issue yeah you know it used to be feature when you dropped the phone and the plastic back flew off I know yeah it was fun to watch yes all right so feisty Let's uh let's hear your side of the story um S6 or Edge or M9 uh when it comes to my wallet none of them he's cheap too I'm cheap Chromebook over here Chromebook no uh see here's the the big thing for me and this is going to boil down to some just little things and possibly stupid you might shake your head at me but we usually do I'm used to it it's a good thing this is an audio call I can't see you I am not in love with HTC right now um I've had some little things mostly just the screen uh sensitivity and Screen alignment issues with a few devices uh so but you know it's a little thing and and it's other devices but I'm not in love with HTC right now it's just a rough patch feisty it'll blow over uh it it may yes and we go back a long way trust me um say because you got the Nexus 9 and then you got like some budget HTC stuff right correct yes yeah but uh you know even going way way back back to Windows mobile with the the first full screen the the HTC Touch you know was like a four no sorry like a 3.2 or 3.4 inch full touchcreen device it was crazy you know before even the iPhone was out but yeah but anyways uh we got two of them one was perfect the other one screen Ori or the screen touch orientation was just it was toast it was garbage and yeah just the accumulation of little things of having a hard time trusting HTC right now I need to put one of their devices in hand I need to touch the M9 and I guess that's the moral of my story here is is you know the advice I give anybody is if you can do not purchase a phone before you can touch it before you can put it in your hand and push a few buttons see if you like it um now I really like the look of the S6 Edge I can't deny it it looks great but I also use phones a lot one-handed and the the base of my thumb touches the side of the screen screen a lot again I have to touch the edge but just looking at it I think it will not work for me which leaves the S6 and again another little thing I do not like Hardware home buttons I was against software button in the beginning but you know sorry what was that oh I was going to say like someone told me recently that that's the reason why they never buy Samsung phones and I kind of don't understand why what what is it about a tech home button that is so bad I do not have a mount right in behind my steering wheel in my car or maybe I do a cell phone mount right there with the phone in view while I'm driving it honest I don't have that um the mount itself holds you know it holds a phone fairly gently if I have a a software home button I can touch that without the device falling out of the the holder if you know all of the phones I've tried with a hardware button I've got a few LG devices I've tried when I have to push that home button the phone falls out of the hold or into my lap or down onto the floor underneath me and that's just not safe when you're driving never mind having a phone there that's that's perfectly fine but so yeah it's it's situations like that or you know if you're just uh you know laying there for example and you're just using your index finger and you've got your phone resting say on your knee which is exactly what I'm doing right now I have to readjust the phone so that I it's in a place that I can put enough pressure to push that Hardware button instead of just the the electrostatic you know touch of the uh the touchscreen home button it's a little thing but you there's options out there and uh these three phones I'm afraid are not the right fit for me no okay um all right well I mean it looks like we have uh a lot of a lot of different opinions on different sides of the coin um I mean obviously Joe is very happy with z9 and found ways of making the camera experience a little bit better one quick question Joe um you had the M7 and I'm thinking you may have had a little bit of time with the M8 maybe you didn't own it but you had the M8 for you you know what it's like to use the M8 nope oh no I went from I went from the M7 to the Note 3 and then I didn't upgrade it all in 2014 got it so you might be the case scenario that a lot of people were expecting with the M9 where if you had the M8 going to the M9 is not necessarily the the best choice because the M9 has such a similar build and feel to the M8 but you might be the kind of person that we all as reviewers when we were all there at HTC frequencies we all we all thought you know if you have the M7 you haven't upgraded at all like this would be the next logical step so okay so if you if you never had the M8 then that's fine um does the M9 give enough of a different change for you coming from the M7 definitely oh definitely um it it first of all I mean it's 3 in bigger and that's very noticeable especially when you're coming down from a 5 point cuz I went from a 4.7 in screen to what what was the Note 3 a 5.7 in screen yep 5.7 you know and then coming back down to five was uh a much it's it the that 3 in means more than you'd think it would you know just like ergonomically um the thing is it's really difficult to judge something based on like like from like a software perspective yes there is a lot different than when I cuz I only made it to Jelly Bean I I didn't get the uh I didn't wait for the lollipop update on the 1 M7 cuz I don't have it anymore but um it's just you know the way I look at things like that is you know I have a laptop when I upgrade my laptop it's going to have a 15.6 in screen it's going to have a keyboard and a back and a front and a battery and some ports on the sides of it all laptops are designed invariably the same way and like when I look at cell phones it's the same thing like I'm going from uh a a glass metal plastic brick to another glassmetal plastic brick and uh I think the idea that it's you know like the upgrades are worth it you know based on whether or not they're worth it I mean like I went from from a 32-bit architecture to a 64-bit architecture I think that's going to play eventually you know I think it's going to matter eventually um you know I went from having to root my device to get lollipop to just having lollipop which has been a different experience believe it or not like having a rout enabled you know having like a a ROM because I had I had to run a note 4 port to get lollipop on my Note 3 and that thing ran like garbage that was a terrible wrong if you have a Note 3 don't flash a note 4 Port they're terrible but like having it like you know without having to root it and having it is is nice um like it I can't I I don't I never tell people to buy phones like that is just a policy of mine don't ever listen to me if you're going to buy a phone I'm the person to listen to what you've decided on whether or not you're going to buy a phone um but you know the way I look at it is you know the the the camera is better you know you're going from four cores to eight cores 32bit to 64-bit um same Ram probably close enough to the same OS close enough to the same speakers and you know I mean people know what they really want in an upgrade whether they want something ridiculously different or something that's pretty much the same but works a little bit better but in my mind's eye it's worth the upgrade from the M7 and the M8 uh strictly for the updated specs in my in my opinion that is my opinion okay um I will pretty much I I think people are are it's pretty obvious where I stand on this particular side um I am a big S6 fan uh and I've warmed up to the edge after not really knowing it knowing what it was it didn't really make sense to me at mwc but after using it for a week now about two weeks I I do really enjoy it it's really the camera that gets me though like having to fiddle through so many options just to get a decent shot of the M9 whereas on the S6 I I can I can be pretty sure that I'm getting a good-looking photo every time uh not every time but most times um that kind of does it for me I'm obviously I'm I'm coming from the video/ photocreative side so if it's a good camera that's going to be the first thing that I flock to um but these are not the only phones that we're going to have this year obviously it is only now April and LG G4 LG exactly the G4 is coming out Wai I love this one upmanship that LG is doing with their phone it's like uh oh your back is glass ours is going to be leathered oh 1.9 F 1.9 aperature 1.8 like well I would have been a I would have been a glex 2 owner I will tell you that much if it would have been as good as it looked at CES it's got to be and it wasn't honestly it wasn't yeah exactly but I was really hyped I was willing to buy it but then you know the reviews came you know your review and everything I like I guess they have to do that's that's LG's thing they have to do something great with the software or else I'm still not going to buy in you know the the G2 was great the G3 was pretty great um it wasn't it wasn't so revolutionary that I would have bought it in a heartbeat the way that I kind of feel the S6 and the edge are um but really it's it's all about that software if they're if they camera is going to be that good and have laser guided autofocus I do like that idea but if the software is as clunky as it was in the glex 2 I'm not going to be very happy with it I I really do think that and of course we have Sony a couple other manufacturers who knows what the Chinese manufacturers are going to come out with this year there's probably going to be some great stuff so obviously this is not the only debate we're going to have this is just focusing on this particular dichotomy between HTC and Samsung so 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