RTX 4070 Super & Ti Super Review - 40 Games Tested - 1080p, 1440p & 4K

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enas all of you know by now Nvidia just launched a couple of new graphics cards and I'm a bit late to the party because I was at CES and then we decided to stay in the US a bit longer but even though there's a lot of reviews out there already I still thought it would be good to make this video in case it might end up being useful to at least some of you so uh we've been testing these cards ever since we got back and in this video I'm going to talk about the RTX 470 super and the RTX 470 TI super how they perform in 40 different games on three different resolutions how to compare to the nons super versions and most importantly if you should buy them or not let's begin the cards I'll be using for this video are the RTX 470 super Founders Edition from Nvidia and the RTX 470 TI super Ventus from MSI since the founders edition of that chip doesn't exist now you might have heard from other reviewers that the eventus card wasn't really performing as it should which was a bad start for NVIDIA and for Amazon but MSI said that that has been fixed with a V bios update and the data I'll be showing today is from testing the card with that latest BIOS version the RTX 470 super Founders Edition has the same cooler design as before but this time around it is completely black which I personally really like but it also makes it sensitive to dust and to fingerprints and even though they really look alike it is much smaller than the new RTX 480 super Founders Edition the ti super Ventus is Ms SI MSRP model but it still looks like a pretty impressive graphics card and it has a very decent build quality even though the back plate is made out of plastic both the Fe and the Ventus don't come with a lot of extra features so they don't have dual bias they don't have any RGB lights and so on now looking at the specs the new 470 super comes in at the same $600 price as the original RTX 4070 when it launched last year but it does get some extras over the original so the core count goes up by about uh 20% and it has more cash as well the memory setup remains unchanged and since the target clock speeds remain the same as well it kind of makes sense that the TDP is slightly higher but keep in mind 220 Watts still isn't that much the old RTX 4070 isn't going anywhere H but it is getting a new recommended price of $550 which uh given the spec differences still feels a little bit high so I would really like to see it approach the $500 Mark instead now the new 47 TTI super will replace the old 470 TI completely at the same uh $800 price point so the old TI will eventually disappear from the market and here the upgrade is a little bit different so we only get a 10% increase in the core count but we do get a vram upgrade going from 12 to 16 GB with a matching 256 bit bus and with the ti super the TDP remains unchanged now one key difference that isn't often highlighted is the fact that the 470 TI and the newer TI super are the lowest tier RTX 4000 cards that have dual and coders uh the 470 and the 470 super only have one now that's not really relevant for gaming but it's definitely worth thinking about if you're buying one of these cards for gaming and for editing for example or maybe some other use case that requires those encoders now since these new cards use the same architecture and production process there aren't any major feature changes to talk about so uh nvidia's Focus remains on rate tracing dlss frame generation and just making sure that it is present in more and more games but you might see some small feature changes in some of the partner cards that I will cover in my next video now from a gaming perspective I will mostly be focusing on the RTX 470 super because uh in my opinion the original 4070 was way more interesting than the 4070 TI and now the 4070 super received the bigger upgrade than the ti super so uh that perspective should more or less remain the same starting with balers gay 3 the old RTX 470 already outperformed the RX 7800 XD from AMD and the 470 super pulls away even further on 1080P and 1440p the differences are not signific ific but on 4K resolution the gains are enough to make it run a bit more comfortably the 470 TI super doesn't look that much better at 1080P and 1440p but it is a bit faster on 4K resolution which is nice but keep in mind you could just enable upscaling and be perfectly happy with any of these cards Starfield ran really poorly on Nvidia cards when it launched but luckily that has been fixed by now and it actually ran well on these cards on 1080P and 144 40p but at 4K resolution most were struggling to maintain 60 FPS the 470 TI super does manage to stay just above 60 on average so upscaling is definitely recommended and with dlss on the quality setting it was running great on both 4070 super and the 4070 TI super but the ti super did have a little bit more Headroom Remnant 2 is also quite heavy on the GPU especially at 1440p and above the 470 super did great on 1440p but started to struggle at 4K while the ti super just managed to hold on to 60 FPS so you should again enable the LSS for both cars here which just makes the game Run more comfortably Avatar is an AMD sponsored title but Nvidia actually performed quite a bit better at 1440p the 470 super is more than powerful enough but it does start to struggle at 4K where the ti super does give you just just a little bit of extra again with dlss on both do great Allen wake 2 on high settings is also very heavy to run uh there's definitely some benefit to the ti super but it doesn't change the fact that it's perfectly playable on 1440p with both cards and then on 4K uh they both lack a bit of power and require upscaling anyway and in Microsoft flight simulator it's a very similar story uh they're all fine at 1080P and 1440p and for K native becomes hard to run on the 470 super and the 7800 XT but spending a lot more on the ti super doesn't really help that much either it does get slightly better but it's not that significant from a user perspective so once again you will need to enable upscaling regardless of your choice and then both the 470 super and the ti super will run the game easily in some other titles even the 470 super is already more than powerful enough for 4K res resolution in Spider-Man remastered for example on high settings uh a game that does favor Nvidia a bit more it was just sh0 FPS on 4K resolution using the 470 super without any upscaling the ti super is faster but again I'm not really seeing that much of an added value here pal World actually scales really nicely with GPU power uh even on Lower resolutions and both the super and the ti super uh managed to run game fine all the way up to 4K resolution unfortunately the Xbox game pass version does not support dlss just yet which I would recommend using especially if you game on 4K resolution now of course I'm not going to talk about 40 different games individually so let's move on to some summaries instead uh starting with the 470 super on 1080P and as you would expect there's not a single game that the 470 super struggled with on this resolution uh most games run well well over 120 FPS and the ones that don't are typically Bound by CPU performance like flight simulator for example and the same can be said for the 470 TI super that is a few per faster on average than the RTX 470 super on 1440p which is a more realistic resolution for this price point uh there areen many titles that both cards didn't run well you can expect 100 FPS or more in the majority of games or at least near 100 f PS in the heaviest of titles now there's a few games that sit slightly lower but enabling dlss upscaling easily sorts that out and in a case of a clear CPU bottleneck like with the Microsoft flight simulator nvidia's frame generation feature can smooth out the frame rate and get past that bottleneck now it is still very important to mention that frame generation is not an ideal option for every game but in a slow paced and CPU limited title like this one it is definitely worth turning it on 4K resolution is where things get a little bit more interesting for the 470 super it still runs most games really well on Native 4K but it does struggle in the heaviest of titles and with dlss upscaling enabled we actually got 60 FPS or more in each of the games we've tested so even if most people won't consider this to be a real 4K graphics card if this is what you can afford you can get a decent 4K experience out of it now the ti super definitely looks a bit more comfortable on this resolution with more games running at 60 FPS or more without upscaling but that being said the upgrade is not big enough to run everything easily on 4K native and you should enable upscaling in those GPU intensive games as well so I do think devalue of the ti super is somewhat debatable now compared to the 470 super the TI super is about 10% faster on 1080p because we're uh frequently running into CPU or game engine limitations it is about 15% faster on 1440p and it is about 18% faster on 4K resolution and given it is about 33% more expensive I don't think it's worth considering for 1080P or 1440p gaming unless you're like super concerned about the 12 GB vram buffer on the cheaper model the upgrade is more significant on 4K resolution where the extra vrm will matter more than on Lower resolutions and if your budget allows it it is nice to get it over the super but I still think the price Gap is quite large for a card that's not really meant for 4K gaming to begin with so I hope that the ti super would make more sense with nvidia's RTX showcase titles uh that feature full path tracing but that wasn't always the case in alen Wake 2 with all the raay tracing features enabled plus dlss Ray reconstruction frame generation and basically all of nvidia's fancy bells and whistles the 470 super did manage to do great at 1080P and 1440p but it was not able to hit 60 FPS on 4K resolution the ti super did manage that making it one example where the ti super really made a meaningful difference in the whole experience but then in cyberpunk 27 77 in its full path tracing mode and again with upscaling Ray reconstruction and frame generation enabled we're kind of back to where we were the 470 super handled it great on 1080P and 1440p and then lacked power at 4K resolution but the same goes for the ti super so you really need an RTX 4080 or better for that and if you compare it to the new RTX 480 super that cost 25% more than the 47 70 TI super it will get you another 14% performance on 1440p and another 18% on 4K resolution which makes it a much more comfortable choice and that especially so if you're looking for 4K gaming and if we leave path tracing out of it and just look at a couple of games that just include some forms of uh RT effects and we can see that both cards can handle that really well with dlss upscaling enabled so for me the ti super is kind of stuck in the middle between a perfectly capable 47 in super and then proper high-end cards that cost more but actually offer big upgrades now compared to the old RTX 4070 the 4070 super numbers are what I would expect from a 20% plus core increase and 10% power increase so a high single digit Improvement at 1080P and then approaching a 20% Gap at 4K resolution which is enough to make the 470 super a very interesting option now it's not going to be an upgrade if you already own an RTX 470 but if you're upgrading from something that's a bit older it is definitely a nicer upgrade than the old 4070 was the old 4070 would only be worth buying if the price Gap is at least 15% so if it costs closer to $500 when a super is $600 the 470 super is now also faster than the RX 7800 XD that was outperforming the old rtx4 70 and keep in mind I was even using the faster gigabyte gaming OC model for testing and not the reference AMD model that is a couple of percents slower while costing the same and between the original 4070 and the RX 7800 XT you could have made arguments to go either way but now with the 4070 super I would say that the 7800 XD really needs to start dropping in price to be able to compete now it still holds the price Advantage but in Nvidia has a slight advantage in core performance in rate tracing performance uh dlss is still Superior to FSR and there's some other smaller features like Nvidia broadcast and so on but between AMD and Nvidia there's also power consumption to consider so if you look at a very GPU heavy game like cyberpunk 2077 the power consumption of the 4070 super did increase a little bit in line with the TDP but that's still less power than Dr RX 7800 XT uses and depending on how much you game and how much you pay for your electricity uh this information can be either completely useless to you or a complete deal breaker so if you're gaming two hours a day on average and you're only paying about 10 cents per kilowatt hour the difference in total cost of power will never bother you but if you're someone that games a lot more and you're paying 40 cents per kilowatt hour like in some parts of Europe and like we do here in the Netherlands uh that difference can add up really quickly and you might spend those €100 that you just saved on buying it 7800 XT on your power bill instead and even if the power cost doesn't concern you at all I do think that the 470 super is in a really good spot right now it gets a really nice performance bump over the previous model while being faster while being more efficient and while having a much stronger feature set than the RX 7800 XD now of course it's not perfect and I also wish that it was even faster even cheaper uh but at the end of the day if you're looking at what you can buy at this price point I do think that the 470 super is a great GPU to get it performs really well on 1080P and 1440p and even if you want to Game On 4K resolution without buying a $1,000 GPU it holds up reasonably well with upscaling now the 4070 TI super is in a bit of a tricky position now the original TI wasn't really worth the upgrade over the old 4070 and the ti super doesn't really change change that at all if anything it's even in a bit of a worse position with the 470 super getting relatively better and the 480 super costing significantly less than its predecessor and please don't get me wrong I don't think this is a bad product it is a bit better than the 47 ETI and 16 GB of vram is a great upgrade but I still think that it will only make sense if you really need those uh dual encoders or you really need a new Nvidia card with 16 gigs of round for productivity tasks but from a pure gaming perspective uh the prices need to drop down further so it's only 15 to 20% more expensive than the super for the ti super to make sense so yeah let's see how that will unfold now that's all I had for today but before I go let's talk about the sponsor of this video this video was brought to you by cic and their vertex power supplies these fully modular power supplies are extremely efficient and very quiet due to their fan design and their hybrid fan mode that stops the fans completely under 40% load they come with a variety of connections for any kind of system you have in mind including the 12vt high power cable for the latest Nvidia graphics cards and to wrap it all up they now offer a nice and cozy 12year long warranty check them out using the links in the description below thank you all for watching and sticking to the end of this video I hope it was useful enough H if you liked it and you want to see more videos like this one please do consider clicking that subscribe button so you never miss my future uploads bye guys and I will see you in the next one byeas all of you know by now Nvidia just launched a couple of new graphics cards and I'm a bit late to the party because I was at CES and then we decided to stay in the US a bit longer but even though there's a lot of reviews out there already I still thought it would be good to make this video in case it might end up being useful to at least some of you so uh we've been testing these cards ever since we got back and in this video I'm going to talk about the RTX 470 super and the RTX 470 TI super how they perform in 40 different games on three different resolutions how to compare to the nons super versions and most importantly if you should buy them or not let's begin the cards I'll be using for this video are the RTX 470 super Founders Edition from Nvidia and the RTX 470 TI super Ventus from MSI since the founders edition of that chip doesn't exist now you might have heard from other reviewers that the eventus card wasn't really performing as it should which was a bad start for NVIDIA and for Amazon but MSI said that that has been fixed with a V bios update and the data I'll be showing today is from testing the card with that latest BIOS version the RTX 470 super Founders Edition has the same cooler design as before but this time around it is completely black which I personally really like but it also makes it sensitive to dust and to fingerprints and even though they really look alike it is much smaller than the new RTX 480 super Founders Edition the ti super Ventus is Ms SI MSRP model but it still looks like a pretty impressive graphics card and it has a very decent build quality even though the back plate is made out of plastic both the Fe and the Ventus don't come with a lot of extra features so they don't have dual bias they don't have any RGB lights and so on now looking at the specs the new 470 super comes in at the same $600 price as the original RTX 4070 when it launched last year but it does get some extras over the original so the core count goes up by about uh 20% and it has more cash as well the memory setup remains unchanged and since the target clock speeds remain the same as well it kind of makes sense that the TDP is slightly higher but keep in mind 220 Watts still isn't that much the old RTX 4070 isn't going anywhere H but it is getting a new recommended price of $550 which uh given the spec differences still feels a little bit high so I would really like to see it approach the $500 Mark instead now the new 47 TTI super will replace the old 470 TI completely at the same uh $800 price point so the old TI will eventually disappear from the market and here the upgrade is a little bit different so we only get a 10% increase in the core count but we do get a vram upgrade going from 12 to 16 GB with a matching 256 bit bus and with the ti super the TDP remains unchanged now one key difference that isn't often highlighted is the fact that the 470 TI and the newer TI super are the lowest tier RTX 4000 cards that have dual and coders uh the 470 and the 470 super only have one now that's not really relevant for gaming but it's definitely worth thinking about if you're buying one of these cards for gaming and for editing for example or maybe some other use case that requires those encoders now since these new cards use the same architecture and production process there aren't any major feature changes to talk about so uh nvidia's Focus remains on rate tracing dlss frame generation and just making sure that it is present in more and more games but you might see some small feature changes in some of the partner cards that I will cover in my next video now from a gaming perspective I will mostly be focusing on the RTX 470 super because uh in my opinion the original 4070 was way more interesting than the 4070 TI and now the 4070 super received the bigger upgrade than the ti super so uh that perspective should more or less remain the same starting with balers gay 3 the old RTX 470 already outperformed the RX 7800 XD from AMD and the 470 super pulls away even further on 1080P and 1440p the differences are not signific ific but on 4K resolution the gains are enough to make it run a bit more comfortably the 470 TI super doesn't look that much better at 1080P and 1440p but it is a bit faster on 4K resolution which is nice but keep in mind you could just enable upscaling and be perfectly happy with any of these cards Starfield ran really poorly on Nvidia cards when it launched but luckily that has been fixed by now and it actually ran well on these cards on 1080P and 144 40p but at 4K resolution most were struggling to maintain 60 FPS the 470 TI super does manage to stay just above 60 on average so upscaling is definitely recommended and with dlss on the quality setting it was running great on both 4070 super and the 4070 TI super but the ti super did have a little bit more Headroom Remnant 2 is also quite heavy on the GPU especially at 1440p and above the 470 super did great on 1440p but started to struggle at 4K while the ti super just managed to hold on to 60 FPS so you should again enable the LSS for both cars here which just makes the game Run more comfortably Avatar is an AMD sponsored title but Nvidia actually performed quite a bit better at 1440p the 470 super is more than powerful enough but it does start to struggle at 4K where the ti super does give you just just a little bit of extra again with dlss on both do great Allen wake 2 on high settings is also very heavy to run uh there's definitely some benefit to the ti super but it doesn't change the fact that it's perfectly playable on 1440p with both cards and then on 4K uh they both lack a bit of power and require upscaling anyway and in Microsoft flight simulator it's a very similar story uh they're all fine at 1080P and 1440p and for K native becomes hard to run on the 470 super and the 7800 XT but spending a lot more on the ti super doesn't really help that much either it does get slightly better but it's not that significant from a user perspective so once again you will need to enable upscaling regardless of your choice and then both the 470 super and the ti super will run the game easily in some other titles even the 470 super is already more than powerful enough for 4K res resolution in Spider-Man remastered for example on high settings uh a game that does favor Nvidia a bit more it was just sh0 FPS on 4K resolution using the 470 super without any upscaling the ti super is faster but again I'm not really seeing that much of an added value here pal World actually scales really nicely with GPU power uh even on Lower resolutions and both the super and the ti super uh managed to run game fine all the way up to 4K resolution unfortunately the Xbox game pass version does not support dlss just yet which I would recommend using especially if you game on 4K resolution now of course I'm not going to talk about 40 different games individually so let's move on to some summaries instead uh starting with the 470 super on 1080P and as you would expect there's not a single game that the 470 super struggled with on this resolution uh most games run well well over 120 FPS and the ones that don't are typically Bound by CPU performance like flight simulator for example and the same can be said for the 470 TI super that is a few per faster on average than the RTX 470 super on 1440p which is a more realistic resolution for this price point uh there areen many titles that both cards didn't run well you can expect 100 FPS or more in the majority of games or at least near 100 f PS in the heaviest of titles now there's a few games that sit slightly lower but enabling dlss upscaling easily sorts that out and in a case of a clear CPU bottleneck like with the Microsoft flight simulator nvidia's frame generation feature can smooth out the frame rate and get past that bottleneck now it is still very important to mention that frame generation is not an ideal option for every game but in a slow paced and CPU limited title like this one it is definitely worth turning it on 4K resolution is where things get a little bit more interesting for the 470 super it still runs most games really well on Native 4K but it does struggle in the heaviest of titles and with dlss upscaling enabled we actually got 60 FPS or more in each of the games we've tested so even if most people won't consider this to be a real 4K graphics card if this is what you can afford you can get a decent 4K experience out of it now the ti super definitely looks a bit more comfortable on this resolution with more games running at 60 FPS or more without upscaling but that being said the upgrade is not big enough to run everything easily on 4K native and you should enable upscaling in those GPU intensive games as well so I do think devalue of the ti super is somewhat debatable now compared to the 470 super the TI super is about 10% faster on 1080p because we're uh frequently running into CPU or game engine limitations it is about 15% faster on 1440p and it is about 18% faster on 4K resolution and given it is about 33% more expensive I don't think it's worth considering for 1080P or 1440p gaming unless you're like super concerned about the 12 GB vram buffer on the cheaper model the upgrade is more significant on 4K resolution where the extra vrm will matter more than on Lower resolutions and if your budget allows it it is nice to get it over the super but I still think the price Gap is quite large for a card that's not really meant for 4K gaming to begin with so I hope that the ti super would make more sense with nvidia's RTX showcase titles uh that feature full path tracing but that wasn't always the case in alen Wake 2 with all the raay tracing features enabled plus dlss Ray reconstruction frame generation and basically all of nvidia's fancy bells and whistles the 470 super did manage to do great at 1080P and 1440p but it was not able to hit 60 FPS on 4K resolution the ti super did manage that making it one example where the ti super really made a meaningful difference in the whole experience but then in cyberpunk 27 77 in its full path tracing mode and again with upscaling Ray reconstruction and frame generation enabled we're kind of back to where we were the 470 super handled it great on 1080P and 1440p and then lacked power at 4K resolution but the same goes for the ti super so you really need an RTX 4080 or better for that and if you compare it to the new RTX 480 super that cost 25% more than the 47 70 TI super it will get you another 14% performance on 1440p and another 18% on 4K resolution which makes it a much more comfortable choice and that especially so if you're looking for 4K gaming and if we leave path tracing out of it and just look at a couple of games that just include some forms of uh RT effects and we can see that both cards can handle that really well with dlss upscaling enabled so for me the ti super is kind of stuck in the middle between a perfectly capable 47 in super and then proper high-end cards that cost more but actually offer big upgrades now compared to the old RTX 4070 the 4070 super numbers are what I would expect from a 20% plus core increase and 10% power increase so a high single digit Improvement at 1080P and then approaching a 20% Gap at 4K resolution which is enough to make the 470 super a very interesting option now it's not going to be an upgrade if you already own an RTX 470 but if you're upgrading from something that's a bit older it is definitely a nicer upgrade than the old 4070 was the old 4070 would only be worth buying if the price Gap is at least 15% so if it costs closer to $500 when a super is $600 the 470 super is now also faster than the RX 7800 XD that was outperforming the old rtx4 70 and keep in mind I was even using the faster gigabyte gaming OC model for testing and not the reference AMD model that is a couple of percents slower while costing the same and between the original 4070 and the RX 7800 XT you could have made arguments to go either way but now with the 4070 super I would say that the 7800 XD really needs to start dropping in price to be able to compete now it still holds the price Advantage but in Nvidia has a slight advantage in core performance in rate tracing performance uh dlss is still Superior to FSR and there's some other smaller features like Nvidia broadcast and so on but between AMD and Nvidia there's also power consumption to consider so if you look at a very GPU heavy game like cyberpunk 2077 the power consumption of the 4070 super did increase a little bit in line with the TDP but that's still less power than Dr RX 7800 XT uses and depending on how much you game and how much you pay for your electricity uh this information can be either completely useless to you or a complete deal breaker so if you're gaming two hours a day on average and you're only paying about 10 cents per kilowatt hour the difference in total cost of power will never bother you but if you're someone that games a lot more and you're paying 40 cents per kilowatt hour like in some parts of Europe and like we do here in the Netherlands uh that difference can add up really quickly and you might spend those €100 that you just saved on buying it 7800 XT on your power bill instead and even if the power cost doesn't concern you at all I do think that the 470 super is in a really good spot right now it gets a really nice performance bump over the previous model while being faster while being more efficient and while having a much stronger feature set than the RX 7800 XD now of course it's not perfect and I also wish that it was even faster even cheaper uh but at the end of the day if you're looking at what you can buy at this price point I do think that the 470 super is a great GPU to get it performs really well on 1080P and 1440p and even if you want to Game On 4K resolution without buying a $1,000 GPU it holds up reasonably well with upscaling now the 4070 TI super is in a bit of a tricky position now the original TI wasn't really worth the upgrade over the old 4070 and the ti super doesn't really change change that at all if anything it's even in a bit of a worse position with the 470 super getting relatively better and the 480 super costing significantly less than its predecessor and please don't get me wrong I don't think this is a bad product it is a bit better than the 47 ETI and 16 GB of vram is a great upgrade but I still think that it will only make sense if you really need those uh dual encoders or you really need a new Nvidia card with 16 gigs of round for productivity tasks but from a pure gaming perspective uh the prices need to drop down further so it's only 15 to 20% more expensive than the super for the ti super to make sense so yeah let's see how that will unfold now that's all I had for today but before I go let's talk about the sponsor of this video this video was brought to you by cic and their vertex power supplies these fully modular power supplies are extremely efficient and very quiet due to their fan design and their hybrid fan mode that stops the fans completely under 40% load they come with a variety of connections for any kind of system you have in mind including the 12vt high power cable for the latest Nvidia graphics cards and to wrap it all up they now offer a nice and cozy 12year long warranty check them out using the links in the description below thank you all for watching and sticking to the end of this video I hope it was useful enough H if you liked it and you want to see more videos like this one please do consider clicking that subscribe button so you never miss my future uploads bye guys and I will see you in the next one bye\n"