The AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT Leads the Competition by a Wide Margin

Now leads the 6600 XT by 29, a staggering jump that puts it in a totally different performance class while the 6700 XT only holds on to a 12 lead. So, wrapping up then first off you jump to your jump back to at least the driver section even if you're going to ignore the game charts because that is kind of like a mini conclusion in its own so we can't recommend this card period for the wider audience people who don't have troubleshooting experience people who haven't built computers before because you are going to encounter a problem at some point and if you're not experienced with or or don't like doing troubleshooting then it's not the right fit for you and you should just pass immediately and buy something else.

AMD is in a better spot than it ever has been as it's been finally fixing driver issues that were lying dormant for years up until the last really couple of years so they're looking pretty good right now. That Intel has reminded us all to appreciate and these competing on price in terms of performance let's say the driver stuff doesn't bother you or maybe you get lucky and it doesn't plague you like it does some other people because you don't play the right types of games to get hit by them well uh F1 makes Intel look really really bad here in our testing because the 6600 XT and some of those tests was like 37 percent better and yet it costs thirty dollars more to buy the Intel card which is worse. The 6600 non-xt is 13 better in one of those F1 tests and it is 100 cheaper for the 6600 non-xt and that's with numbers we just looked up like in the last 48 hours or so the 30 60 in some of these tests uh 14 better 30 more so you can see where versus the 30 60 Intel's got a better value proposition.

We're not looking at Ray tracing today we have rt tests we want to do it's just kind of a lot to run with the ryzen 7000 back to back but uh RT may be something where Nvidia holds a unique advantage over intel if RT is something you're interested in but we don't have that data for you today you'll have to get it somewhere else or come back here at a couple a couple days or a week when we have it. Final Fantasy 14 on the positive side as well as strange Brigade are both examples of what the a770 could be if they're able to get more Universal good performance and stability across all the games so that's where Oriental needs to be it looks great in those two scenarios very competitive really good value judgment for the a770 those games it's just that it's not consistent and that's the biggest problem with the Intel art cards right now is inconsistency.

so if you look here's a bias disclosure for you I buy based on consistency this applies to basically everything where what I'm trying to get is a product where I know I can predict the performance one day to the next uh whether it's like technology or something mechanical like an actual physical tool that you use and so for me as a reviewer my bias is will lean towards consistency and Intel Arc is not consistent so clearly I'm not going to be likely to recommend it because it's not consistent and that's what I look forward to what Patrick looks for on the team I'm pretty sure that's what Mike looks for on the team so that's how we sort of evaluate these things ultimately the a770 just it's really not it right now Andy's kicking its ass in a lot of these games uh and when it doesn't it's not worth the trade-off anyway.

The a750 might look better we do have a review in the works it's not done yet but that'll be up pretty soon and you'll want to check back for the teardown as well so that's it for this one they gotta fix the drivers that's that's really all there is to it it's kind of like feels like reviewing AMD about five or six years ago where we'd look at it we go this Hardware looks really promising from these two games where it really did well outperformed Nvidia was cheaper whatever but then it just didn't work half the time it made the screen turn funny colors and the monitors weren't connected it's the same stuff with Intel so we're back in a circle it's a different vendor uh hopefully that means that in a couple years Intel will be competing the same way AMD is today but that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe for more check back for the a750 review it's cheaper so that might help outweigh some of the driver stuff and uh you can go to store.camersaccess.net to grab a toolkit or a mod mat and help us out directly we'll see you all next time

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enreviewing the Intel Arc a770 video card it is the limited edition 16 gigabyte card not actually limited small asterisk there and the best way to summarize the impending review you're going to watch is Big oof it's because the a770 still has basically all of the driver problems that the arc A380 had that we reviewed except the A380 wasn't really supposed to exist as a standalone card it was just supposed to be in OEM systems in a couple of places in Asia and it's a little bit different when you roll something out that's far more expensive it's intended for Standalone system use and it still has all the driver problems so that's part of what we're talking about today now one of the other interesting aspects here is that Intel is competing on price so they are only talking about Nvidia in any of their presentation slides ignoring any of these existence that is because AMD also competes on price and video doesn't do this they compete on quality and they charge whatever the hell they want clearly so we're going to talk about that today and going over the 350 16 gigabyte a770 as it relates to things like 240 250 cards that are sometimes better before that this video is brought to you by the height y60 the height y60 is one of the most unique cases to launch anytime recently coming in multiple color options like this bright red and it's also built for both water Cooling and Air cooling the case pays extreme attention to detail particularly with cable management paths like you can see with the quality rubber grommets that are always passed through and with split lower and upper chambers learn more at the link in the description below okay so it was chaos working on this review it's really not straightforward with the Intel art cards and that's because of the driver issues and stuff as simple as monitors just not getting display when you plug them in sometimes so not the easiest card to work with for benchmarking which already means we're not really going to recommend it to a wide audience maybe an Enthusiast audience that's more willing to deal with troubleshooting and being the best data tester and we talked about this with the A380 where Intel needs to pick up some initial users to start rolling and get the drivers working so it is a chicken or the egg problem it's just that you don't want to be I don't know if it's the egg or the chicken you don't want to be the you don't want to be the one that has to do all the driver research I don't know this doesn't work with chicken or the egg anymore you don't want to be the beta tester so sometimes this card looks pretty good we'll look at that but for the most part things like the AMD RX 6600 the rx6600 XT they put up a really strong fight it's against Nvidia where Intel does look good and that makes sense because again they don't really seem to care about price they just charge whatever and then people buy it but we need to talk about pricing first then we'll get into the drivers and then performance we put together a really simple just list of cards really for our own reference and we'll show that on the screen but just averaging three random cards on NewEgg and Amazon in the US versus the MSRP for stuff that's out now we saw that these days the RX 6600xt it's about 323 dollars averaged it's launch MSRP was 380. so that makes it a direct competitor to the a770 8 and a 16 gigabyte the eight gigabyte model the a770 is 330 dollars the a750 will review soon that'll be a separate video that's 290 Intel has a better chance there for a value argument and then for other AMD competition the most obvious would be the RX 6600 that's a hundred dollars cheaper than the a770 at about 248 average across just three random ones right now got some Nvidia prices on there as well the 3060 is probably the closest comparison that Intel goes up against and to be clear the average prices we pulled those are for new inbox cards available at retail not like eBay or something just before any of these companies try to complain about that and claim that it was second hand it's not that's new in box so a driver's still bad let's start here last time with the A380 we talked about how one of our monitors did not work with the A380 and it was just a black screen and we also showed a clip of how the screen was sized like like basically four inches by three inches on the 28 inch display and that's what we had to work with now it's gotten worse we have three monitors we have now tested we decided to cycle a bunch of monitors through just because we knew these were problematic already and so thought we'd validate it there's three we have here at least so we don't have that many different types that just either had a black screen so no display out or they were fixable but they were black screen up until you could Boot and get the drivers installed if you ask well how do you get the drivers installed if you can't see it's easy for us because we have a lab full of stuff we can do whatever we want but if you're an end user you buy this card and that's your display device and you don't have an igp or Onboard video anything like that uh you're kind of screwed so we had problems with drivers uh there's no fan control so that's really frustrating we had to get a beta version of the arc control package to control the fans on the video card that is being sold at retail to actual customers that's right this will be available at retail in one week on October 12th and you cannot change the speed of the fans After Burner doesn't read it doesn't know what to do with it Precision obviously doesn't work rip and Intel art control doesn't work either in fact it's not even an option in our control they had to give us a special version that will eventually go out so it's this is an incomplete product we are reviewing a product that is not finished we don't generally like doing that because it doesn't turn out well for the product even if it will eventually be good crtx 20 series our tax games and ship for 55 days we told everyone just buy a 10 series card additional problems uh so some games are broken here's a list this is actually from Intel's own patch notes to us and they these are the ones that they mostly fixed with a driver update here in the final days before the reviews went up but we ran into other issues still and DirectX 11 with Rainbow Six Siege is one of them you'll see that later we've also noticed that the fans always spin and it's because of either the soc temperature or the idle load or something but uh they were off when we first powered it on we installed the drivers and then they didn't stop spinning that was true on now four different test benches with two different operating systems and three different motherboards types so they're not supposed to do that but they do and that's just the tagline for the arc uh next thing the Arca overlay is still really obnoxious to interact with it's still an overlay so it's like the steam overlay except your entire screen at desktop so even though the actual Arc control window takes up this amount of space on your screen that is this amount of space you can't do anything with the rest of the screen like take notes or write down things that you want to tweak or tune or overclock or whatever because it is a complete overlay additionally when we opened our control the first time on two task benches it opened with three errors in the top right corner great start Intel thank you Papa yeah yeah we had other driver and control package issues too but we'll talk about those in a separate video we wanted the front load at least these notes because it really sets the stage for what is it why why is the price so good compared to say Nvidia if you ignore any of these existence that's why that's the answer wanting to get that out there early because the reality of all of this is the performance is kind of irrelevant if any of the things that we just stated will really annoy you about this product you just don't buy it at that point because just like we said with the RTX series you you we don't review the future our job is to review what is this going to be like when it goes through its own AMD Renaissance of driver updates like AMD did with adrenaline or whatever it was so uh that's what you need to know that means this is going to be an incredibly frustrating card at some point at least if you are not an experienced user or you're recommending a card more likely for an inexperienced user so those are the people who definitely should not be Buy in an art guard period and we'll talk about the 750 later but enough of all that let's get into some of the testing GPU thermals will start us off for this we use a custom benchmarking scene to load the GPU with a consistent and sustained gaming workload this is with full auto settings for the card so it's as it performs out of the box Intel's V bios will set a temperature Target and make the fans follow that Target which means we also need noise tests and we have those to evaluate whether Intel can design a cooler and V bios competently enough to handle a 200 plus watt card here's the chart the a770 GPU took about 380 seconds or maybe six minutes or so to hit steady state and level out at 72 degrees Celsius for the core temperature it occasionally dithered but mostly stayed at 72 degrees now whether Intel is exposing GPU Edge or something more similar to nvidia's numbers isn't really detailed yet so we can't compare these numbers like for like with AMD or with Nvidia directly but we can make judgments based on Intel's own clock behavior and against board Partners as they launch if if they ever launch the memory thermals reported by software logs about 80 degrees Celsius so that's acceptable for gddr6 and no problem there we'll wire this up separately for a more in-depth analysis of the thermal mechanical stuff in the future but from initial numbers it does look acceptable the power density is low enough that this cooler can handle it on its Auto settings so that's overall good as well and that's important because Intel doesn't really have much in the way of board Partners right now although we hear EVGA might be available of course none of that actually means anything in a vacuum it's just a temperature number so we need to understand the noise levels and for that we need to understand the fan speed here's that chart we just looked at except now we're adding the RPM to the right Axis the a770 started out where it was idling for us most times which is about 550 RPM or so it's inaudible though as soon as the workload started the fan instantaneously wrapped there isn't much hysteresis on load start and the the fan wraps to the peak of its default curve at the same time as steady state levels out for thermals not surprising we suspect V bios is setting that the fan will follow so a hotter case or higher ambient will run a higher RPM and therefore higher noise for this car speed levels out at 1800 RPM in our test environment which ends up averaging 17.50 or so we'd normally do noise level testing and five percent increments for fan speed and while Intel did eventually provide special tools for this it came in too late for the review and it's a special tool so at some level it sort of doesn't matter anyway because users can't control it the left column of this very simple table shows the status of the card during the data logging period at idle and fan RPM at 540 the noise level was undetectable it was at the limit where our room noise level was the same and therefore there's no data to be had here from idle with this card our room noise floor is 26 DBA so in those conditions it's functionally silent at 70c and 30 seconds into our workload the card ramps to 1400 RPM and total noise climbs to 34 4.4 DBA as a result at 20 inches distance this is with all other system fans off so the GPU fan is the only thing producing noise not only on the system but in the room this trend continued to go into 36.2 at 1500 RPM 37 a little above that and peaking at about 38 DBA that's fine we don't have any major complaints about that because we found most aib Partners tune their temperature Target and fan curve to land them in the 38 to 40 DBA range in our test environment so this is in line with everyone else Intel has at least done well in this regard it'd be better if users could control the fan as there's Headroom to back off the fan speed and ultimately this design is not sophisticated and partners will be able to do better probably for the same price but we'll revisit that as it becomes more relevant for now it's the only a770 we've actually seen so that's all we can really base it on for power tests we'll look at that in the near future and with the a750 we'll look at it as well but for now let's move on to flatness we have a teardown that's coming up you'll really want to see that by the way so we tested the flatness of the contact plate on the vapor chamber for the cooler this is just something we do for video cards to see what is the quality of Machining they're doing to make sure there's a good contact patch and then we'll get into some of the other stuff we have a whole separate mechanical discussion we want to do but for the results here it ended up being overall okay it wasn't as impressive as most of the 30 series cards that we tested however versus say the 3080 you can see that the median box and the box and whisker plot for the a770 is much better than the 3080 Fe was and all that really means is that the point-to-point depth is relatively consistent across the plate of the vapor Chambers that's a good thing it's a good start on the Machining side the build is a nightmare for a different reason but the machine on the contact plate was overall good and thermals so far are mostly in control okay on to the game testing Total War Warhammer 3 is up first so this is tested with dx11 and the battle Benchmark it's also one of the best case scenarios for the arc a770 it will only get worse from here but we're going to start on a strong foot for Intel the a770 16 gigabyte card ran at 90 FPS here with lowest space proportionally to that average that's a better thing than it normally would be just because Intel is still relatively new here it has dx11 weaknesses and it has driver problems so frame time consistency is not a given with Intel but it's still expected that allows it to perform roughly equivalently to its direct price competitor from Nvidia the RTX 3060 which is currently a little more expensive the a770 is also about equal to the RTX 2070 so clearly no point upgrading if you're on that or better and it's about 12 percent ahead of the 6600 XT currently in the 300 to 330 dollar price range the rx6700 XT manages to outperform the a770 by 26 percent while selling for nine percent more money on Amazon right now that's a great deal for AMD and frankly you'd be better off going that route in this test at least their driver problems have gotten smaller over the years before moving on we'll point out the RTA X 3050 and a 300 option on Amazon that's allowing the a770 it's around at 45 ahead for about 17 percent of more money comparatively that's the better option than the 3050 if you can stretch the 50 bucks for the a770 although the 6600 XT is also worth considering 1440p gives us an idea for scaling with the same game settings the 6700 XT maintains a 17 lead over the a770 here dropping pretty hard from its previous 26 lead the a770 is still about the same as an RTX 3060 with the lead over the 3050 climbing to 53 percent from 45 percent Intel has a big architectural Advantage as resolution increases or you might be able to rephrase it as it has a disadvantage as resolution decreases this is something we observed in our A380 previous preview as well now we get into some of the games where it tips a little bit worse for Intel in F1 2022 with dx12 the Intel a770 ran at 106 FPS average with lows at 63 and 60 FPS that has it behind the RX 6600 non-xt a far cheaper card at about 250 bucks when we checked before filming versus the 350 MSRP if it hits that of Intel's card while holding a 13 lead that's a rough position for Intel to be in sure versus the 378. 3060 which has a 14 lead over Intel the value looks better it's at least competitive in that comparison but we can't let Intel manipulate the story into it just being Nvidia versus Intel there is another player and it is AMD and in reality AMD holds the same defender's Advantage as Nvidia does where it's already got all these drivers and it's been through these problems before so Intel in this chart is losing for Value when you look at AMD because AMD also competes on price and Intel is not good enough to just be better value than on video when you have a third competitor that's why it's so cool that there's three of them now because this starts to happen where they actually need to plan against a third player in the market so also the 6600 XT doesn't help Intel's case either at 145 FPS average to Intel's 106 it's becoming noticeable especially when you remember that this additional processing Headroom on the 6600 XT can be reassigned to higher graphic settings or resolutions you can get something for it the 6600 XT is 37 lead is in exchange for less money at 323 dollars the a770 has about the same performance as the RTX 2060 KO it outperforms the RTX 3050 by 14 and it offers a boost over the RX 580 of about 59 just for something older to give you an anchor point at 1440p the a770 ends up at 88 FPS average once again tying the RTX 3060 and RTX 2070 but allowing the 6700xc an embarrassingly strong lead at 53 ahead compared to lower end options the a770 leads the RTX 3050 by 20 FPS or about 30 percent establishing a better position than it had at 1080p if intel can ship big gpus at some point this architecture May really benefit it at 4K resolutions and at the high end or the more expensive class of cart assuming at least the architecture stretches that large if you were to upgrade to the a770 something like the RX 580 and Below might make sense to move from but these AMD options are looking a lot fiercer than they did just a couple weeks ago moving to 4K with F1 still the a770 maintains a playable frame rate at about 60 FPS average although it's one percent lows are dipping but still playable the a770 pulls ahead of the 2070 the 3060 alike finally we're missing the 6700 XT on this chart simply because we didn't have time to go back for it and run it again but it'd still be ahead we're just not sure how that percentage Advantage would change shadow of the Tomb Raider is next another dx12 game this one has the a770 at 117 FPS average with lows appropriately based for the average FPS again that's a good thing when it's not necessarily a given and with Intel it's not at least not yet the 3060 leads the a770 marginally and by an amount that isn't noticeable to a player and given the price hike it's not worth it at least in this game the RX 6600 though embarrasses the a770. it's eight percent better and it's somewhere in the range of a hundred dollars cheaper or approaching it the 6600 XT pushes that to 26 percent better while still being cheaper at 1440p the a770 is still roughly tied with the RTX 2070 and RTX 3060 but the rx6600 now Falls below the a770 that's good for Intel and again it reinforces its higher resolution strengths the 6600 XT leads the a770 by 10 now down from its 26 lead prior so the rk770 the art cards in general as you'll see it does better at 1440p and at 4K and phrased another way Intel has maybe a 1080 P problem or you could say the AMD series cards have a 4K problem Nvidia seems a little more balanced now that we have the context of both of these together it's still not establishing a value lead over AMD at 1440p however the Gap is at least closing in Intel's favor with this resolution increase it's also easier to justify the value versus an RTX 3060 in these charts which explains why Intel has focused so much of its marketing energy against that card specifically and now at 4K the a770 maintains a mostly playable frame rate and it could be tuned while finally passing the RX 6600 XT the 3060 falls behind here allowing the a770 elite of 16 percent the 6700 XT keeps the lead but also is reduced and now at a 28 Advantage once again we see the same thing where AMD has its known 1080p advantages Intel has these Newfound 4K 1440 advantages we talked about the A380 in a preliminary sense and because they are going in sort of two opposite directions they're they're diverging as the resolution gets the lower the upper bound of our testing which depend where you play for resolution there's a clear benefit to one of those two vendors Rainbow Six Siege is up now and this one is brutal for Intel it's on dx11 here most immediately we need to point out the A380 in this most recent round of testing where we collected all fresh data new operating system we used a different A380 it's still a gunnier card but it's a different specific unit we also have a new version of Rainbow Six Siege but we're using the same graphic settings resolution all that stuff we noticed performance Decay only in this title on the A380 and simultaneously we noticed an introduction of some frame time inconsistencies with all Arc cards in fact all all of the art cards both of them on this chart did very poorly here we ran additional test passes we confirmed the behavior we did driver wipes and reinstalls we use different benches everything and currently we think this is due to either the recent game updates which cause issues on Arc or due to Intel driver updates in either case we suspect software we use dx11 last time also despite a potential Vulcan advantage on Intel uh and it still did better last time even with the X11 so anyway the a770 ran 125 FPS average here which is just a complete failure of performance it's doing worse than the RX 580 worse than the rx6500 XT and worse than the GTX 1070 from six years ago something is wrong with either the driver package or the game but only apparently as it relates to Intel and it's causing this Behavior at 1440p that Trend continues unsurprisingly the a770 performance remains broken as does the A380 so we can move on from this game and just mark it as bad for now maybe it'll get better with an update to the drivers or the game itself but this is not a unique experience Intel sent us that message we talked about earlier about all kinds of broken games during the review process and you're going to keep you are the beta tester here so you'll see this sometimes we'll move on to something with Vulcan since that should theoretically work better for Intel than dx11 in strange Brigade The a770 ran at 190 FPS average when I Ultra and 1080p using the Vulcan API lows and frame times were consistent here so that's good and the a770 manages to outperform the RTX 3060 by a massive 33 percent comparatively huge versus what we saw in previous tests it's too bad that it's just this one game but it would change the story massively If This Were true in more game or at least something close to resembling maybe 50 percent even a little bit closed just more than a one the a770 runs ahead of the RX 6600 by 74 percent trailing only the absolute upper end of this chart at 1440p the a770 ran at 151 FPS average and encroached on the RTX 3070s 170 FPS result where the 3070 led the A7 170 by just 11 percent despite a price Gap nearing two hundred dollars the a770 also leads the RTX 3060 once again and the XFX RX 6600 if this scaled to all games of course it'd be in a domineering position against both AMD and Nvidia but it doesn't but at least Final Fantasy isn't too bad for it this is back on dx11 and it's a game that's more difficult to bind up on the GPU that said with the class of card we're testing today we're still GPU bound even at 1080p up until things like the top four cards or so on this chart the a770 ends up below the 6600 XT and the 6700 XT the former of which leads by five percent with the latter leading by 23 percent the a770 beats the 6600 non-xt by 10 leading the RTX 3060 by 8 this is an example of what Intel could achieve at a hardware level at least but that API was Vulcan and that benefits it here as does the way this particular game is built so this is clearly the outlier but it's maybe a glimpse at what Intel could do and in that sense it's exciting at 1440p the a770 out does the 6600 XT by 15 so it's now leading where it was marginally behind before the 6700 XT keeps a diminished lead as does the 3070 but Intel is encroaching on both of them older cards like the RX 580 might be worth considering a jump from where we see over a doubling in frame rate now at 4K the a770 now leads the 6600 XT by 29 a staggering jump that puts it in a totally different performance class while the 6700 XT only holds on to a 12 lead so wrapping up then first off you jump to your jump back to at least the driver section even if you're going to ignore the game charts because that is kind of like a mini conclusion in its own so we can't recommend this card period for the wider audience people who don't have troubleshooting experience people who haven't built computers before because you are going to encounter a problem at some point and if you're not experienced with or or don't like doing troubleshooting then it's not the right fit for you and you should just pass immediately and buy something else AMD is in a better spot these days than it ever has been as it's been finally fixing driver issues that were lying dormant for years up until the last really couple of years so they're looking pretty good right now that Intel has reminded us all to appreciate and these competing on price in terms of performance let's say the driver stuff doesn't bother you or maybe you get lucky and it doesn't plague you like it does some other people because you don't play the right types of games to get hit by them well uh F1 makes Intel look really really bad here in our testing because the 6600 XT and some of those tests was like 37 percent better and yet it costs thirty dollars more to buy the Intel card which is worse uh the 6600 non-xt is 13 better in one of those F1 tests and it is 100 cheaper for the 6600 non-xt and that's with numbers we just looked up like in the last 48 hours or so the 30 60 in some of these tests uh 14 better 30 more so you can see where versus the 30 60 Intel's got a better value proposition we're not looking at Ray tracing today we have rt tests we want to do it's just kind of a lot to run with the ryzen 7000 back to back but uh RT may be something where Nvidia holds a unique advantage over intel if RT is something you're interested in but we don't have that data for you today you'll have to get it somewhere else or come back here at a couple a couple days or a week when we have it uh Final Fantasy 14 on the positive side as well as strange Brigade are both examples of what the a770 could be if they're able to get more Universal good performance and stability across all the games so that's where Oriental needs to be it looks great in those two scenarios very competitive really good value judgment for the a770 those games it's just that it's not consistent and that's the biggest problem with the Intel art cards right now is inconsistency so if you look here's a bias disclosure for you I buy based on consistency this applies to basically everything where what I'm trying to get is a product where I know I can predict the performance one day to the next uh whether it's like technology or something mechanical like an actual physical tool that you use and so for me as a reviewer my bias is will lean towards consistency and Intel Arc is not consistent so clearly I'm not going to be likely to recommend it because it's not consistent and that's what I look forward to what Patrick looks for on the team I'm pretty sure that's what Mike looks for on the team so that's how we sort of evaluate these things ultimately the a770 just it's really not it right now Andy's kicking its ass in a lot of these games uh and when it doesn't it's not worth the trade-off anyway the a750 might look better we do have a review in the works it's not done yet but that'll be up pretty soon and you'll want to check back for the teardown as well so that's it for this one they gotta fix the drivers that's that's really all there is to it it's kind of like feels like reviewing AMD about five or six years ago where we'd look at it we go this Hardware looks really promising from these two games where it really did well outperformed Nvidia was cheaper whatever but then it just didn't work half the time it made the screen turn funny colors and the monitors weren't connected it's the same stuff with Intel so we're back in a circle it's a different vendor uh hopefully that means that in a couple years Intel will be competing the same way AMD is today but that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe for more check back for the a750 review it's cheaper so that might help outweigh some of the driver stuff and uh you can go to store.camersaccess.net to grab a toolkit or a mod mat and help us out directly we'll see you all next timereviewing the Intel Arc a770 video card it is the limited edition 16 gigabyte card not actually limited small asterisk there and the best way to summarize the impending review you're going to watch is Big oof it's because the a770 still has basically all of the driver problems that the arc A380 had that we reviewed except the A380 wasn't really supposed to exist as a standalone card it was just supposed to be in OEM systems in a couple of places in Asia and it's a little bit different when you roll something out that's far more expensive it's intended for Standalone system use and it still has all the driver problems so that's part of what we're talking about today now one of the other interesting aspects here is that Intel is competing on price so they are only talking about Nvidia in any of their presentation slides ignoring any of these existence that is because AMD also competes on price and video doesn't do this they compete on quality and they charge whatever the hell they want clearly so we're going to talk about that today and going over the 350 16 gigabyte a770 as it relates to things like 240 250 cards that are sometimes better before that this video is brought to you by the height y60 the height y60 is one of the most unique cases to launch anytime recently coming in multiple color options like this bright red and it's also built for both water Cooling and Air cooling the case pays extreme attention to detail particularly with cable management paths like you can see with the quality rubber grommets that are always passed through and with split lower and upper chambers learn more at the link in the description below okay so it was chaos working on this review it's really not straightforward with the Intel art cards and that's because of the driver issues and stuff as simple as monitors just not getting display when you plug them in sometimes so not the easiest card to work with for benchmarking which already means we're not really going to recommend it to a wide audience maybe an Enthusiast audience that's more willing to deal with troubleshooting and being the best data tester and we talked about this with the A380 where Intel needs to pick up some initial users to start rolling and get the drivers working so it is a chicken or the egg problem it's just that you don't want to be I don't know if it's the egg or the chicken you don't want to be the you don't want to be the one that has to do all the driver research I don't know this doesn't work with chicken or the egg anymore you don't want to be the beta tester so sometimes this card looks pretty good we'll look at that but for the most part things like the AMD RX 6600 the rx6600 XT they put up a really strong fight it's against Nvidia where Intel does look good and that makes sense because again they don't really seem to care about price they just charge whatever and then people buy it but we need to talk about pricing first then we'll get into the drivers and then performance we put together a really simple just list of cards really for our own reference and we'll show that on the screen but just averaging three random cards on NewEgg and Amazon in the US versus the MSRP for stuff that's out now we saw that these days the RX 6600xt it's about 323 dollars averaged it's launch MSRP was 380. so that makes it a direct competitor to the a770 8 and a 16 gigabyte the eight gigabyte model the a770 is 330 dollars the a750 will review soon that'll be a separate video that's 290 Intel has a better chance there for a value argument and then for other AMD competition the most obvious would be the RX 6600 that's a hundred dollars cheaper than the a770 at about 248 average across just three random ones right now got some Nvidia prices on there as well the 3060 is probably the closest comparison that Intel goes up against and to be clear the average prices we pulled those are for new inbox cards available at retail not like eBay or something just before any of these companies try to complain about that and claim that it was second hand it's not that's new in box so a driver's still bad let's start here last time with the A380 we talked about how one of our monitors did not work with the A380 and it was just a black screen and we also showed a clip of how the screen was sized like like basically four inches by three inches on the 28 inch display and that's what we had to work with now it's gotten worse we have three monitors we have now tested we decided to cycle a bunch of monitors through just because we knew these were problematic already and so thought we'd validate it there's three we have here at least so we don't have that many different types that just either had a black screen so no display out or they were fixable but they were black screen up until you could Boot and get the drivers installed if you ask well how do you get the drivers installed if you can't see it's easy for us because we have a lab full of stuff we can do whatever we want but if you're an end user you buy this card and that's your display device and you don't have an igp or Onboard video anything like that uh you're kind of screwed so we had problems with drivers uh there's no fan control so that's really frustrating we had to get a beta version of the arc control package to control the fans on the video card that is being sold at retail to actual customers that's right this will be available at retail in one week on October 12th and you cannot change the speed of the fans After Burner doesn't read it doesn't know what to do with it Precision obviously doesn't work rip and Intel art control doesn't work either in fact it's not even an option in our control they had to give us a special version that will eventually go out so it's this is an incomplete product we are reviewing a product that is not finished we don't generally like doing that because it doesn't turn out well for the product even if it will eventually be good crtx 20 series our tax games and ship for 55 days we told everyone just buy a 10 series card additional problems uh so some games are broken here's a list this is actually from Intel's own patch notes to us and they these are the ones that they mostly fixed with a driver update here in the final days before the reviews went up but we ran into other issues still and DirectX 11 with Rainbow Six Siege is one of them you'll see that later we've also noticed that the fans always spin and it's because of either the soc temperature or the idle load or something but uh they were off when we first powered it on we installed the drivers and then they didn't stop spinning that was true on now four different test benches with two different operating systems and three different motherboards types so they're not supposed to do that but they do and that's just the tagline for the arc uh next thing the Arca overlay is still really obnoxious to interact with it's still an overlay so it's like the steam overlay except your entire screen at desktop so even though the actual Arc control window takes up this amount of space on your screen that is this amount of space you can't do anything with the rest of the screen like take notes or write down things that you want to tweak or tune or overclock or whatever because it is a complete overlay additionally when we opened our control the first time on two task benches it opened with three errors in the top right corner great start Intel thank you Papa yeah yeah we had other driver and control package issues too but we'll talk about those in a separate video we wanted the front load at least these notes because it really sets the stage for what is it why why is the price so good compared to say Nvidia if you ignore any of these existence that's why that's the answer wanting to get that out there early because the reality of all of this is the performance is kind of irrelevant if any of the things that we just stated will really annoy you about this product you just don't buy it at that point because just like we said with the RTX series you you we don't review the future our job is to review what is this going to be like when it goes through its own AMD Renaissance of driver updates like AMD did with adrenaline or whatever it was so uh that's what you need to know that means this is going to be an incredibly frustrating card at some point at least if you are not an experienced user or you're recommending a card more likely for an inexperienced user so those are the people who definitely should not be Buy in an art guard period and we'll talk about the 750 later but enough of all that let's get into some of the testing GPU thermals will start us off for this we use a custom benchmarking scene to load the GPU with a consistent and sustained gaming workload this is with full auto settings for the card so it's as it performs out of the box Intel's V bios will set a temperature Target and make the fans follow that Target which means we also need noise tests and we have those to evaluate whether Intel can design a cooler and V bios competently enough to handle a 200 plus watt card here's the chart the a770 GPU took about 380 seconds or maybe six minutes or so to hit steady state and level out at 72 degrees Celsius for the core temperature it occasionally dithered but mostly stayed at 72 degrees now whether Intel is exposing GPU Edge or something more similar to nvidia's numbers isn't really detailed yet so we can't compare these numbers like for like with AMD or with Nvidia directly but we can make judgments based on Intel's own clock behavior and against board Partners as they launch if if they ever launch the memory thermals reported by software logs about 80 degrees Celsius so that's acceptable for gddr6 and no problem there we'll wire this up separately for a more in-depth analysis of the thermal mechanical stuff in the future but from initial numbers it does look acceptable the power density is low enough that this cooler can handle it on its Auto settings so that's overall good as well and that's important because Intel doesn't really have much in the way of board Partners right now although we hear EVGA might be available of course none of that actually means anything in a vacuum it's just a temperature number so we need to understand the noise levels and for that we need to understand the fan speed here's that chart we just looked at except now we're adding the RPM to the right Axis the a770 started out where it was idling for us most times which is about 550 RPM or so it's inaudible though as soon as the workload started the fan instantaneously wrapped there isn't much hysteresis on load start and the the fan wraps to the peak of its default curve at the same time as steady state levels out for thermals not surprising we suspect V bios is setting that the fan will follow so a hotter case or higher ambient will run a higher RPM and therefore higher noise for this car speed levels out at 1800 RPM in our test environment which ends up averaging 17.50 or so we'd normally do noise level testing and five percent increments for fan speed and while Intel did eventually provide special tools for this it came in too late for the review and it's a special tool so at some level it sort of doesn't matter anyway because users can't control it the left column of this very simple table shows the status of the card during the data logging period at idle and fan RPM at 540 the noise level was undetectable it was at the limit where our room noise level was the same and therefore there's no data to be had here from idle with this card our room noise floor is 26 DBA so in those conditions it's functionally silent at 70c and 30 seconds into our workload the card ramps to 1400 RPM and total noise climbs to 34 4.4 DBA as a result at 20 inches distance this is with all other system fans off so the GPU fan is the only thing producing noise not only on the system but in the room this trend continued to go into 36.2 at 1500 RPM 37 a little above that and peaking at about 38 DBA that's fine we don't have any major complaints about that because we found most aib Partners tune their temperature Target and fan curve to land them in the 38 to 40 DBA range in our test environment so this is in line with everyone else Intel has at least done well in this regard it'd be better if users could control the fan as there's Headroom to back off the fan speed and ultimately this design is not sophisticated and partners will be able to do better probably for the same price but we'll revisit that as it becomes more relevant for now it's the only a770 we've actually seen so that's all we can really base it on for power tests we'll look at that in the near future and with the a750 we'll look at it as well but for now let's move on to flatness we have a teardown that's coming up you'll really want to see that by the way so we tested the flatness of the contact plate on the vapor chamber for the cooler this is just something we do for video cards to see what is the quality of Machining they're doing to make sure there's a good contact patch and then we'll get into some of the other stuff we have a whole separate mechanical discussion we want to do but for the results here it ended up being overall okay it wasn't as impressive as most of the 30 series cards that we tested however versus say the 3080 you can see that the median box and the box and whisker plot for the a770 is much better than the 3080 Fe was and all that really means is that the point-to-point depth is relatively consistent across the plate of the vapor Chambers that's a good thing it's a good start on the Machining side the build is a nightmare for a different reason but the machine on the contact plate was overall good and thermals so far are mostly in control okay on to the game testing Total War Warhammer 3 is up first so this is tested with dx11 and the battle Benchmark it's also one of the best case scenarios for the arc a770 it will only get worse from here but we're going to start on a strong foot for Intel the a770 16 gigabyte card ran at 90 FPS here with lowest space proportionally to that average that's a better thing than it normally would be just because Intel is still relatively new here it has dx11 weaknesses and it has driver problems so frame time consistency is not a given with Intel but it's still expected that allows it to perform roughly equivalently to its direct price competitor from Nvidia the RTX 3060 which is currently a little more expensive the a770 is also about equal to the RTX 2070 so clearly no point upgrading if you're on that or better and it's about 12 percent ahead of the 6600 XT currently in the 300 to 330 dollar price range the rx6700 XT manages to outperform the a770 by 26 percent while selling for nine percent more money on Amazon right now that's a great deal for AMD and frankly you'd be better off going that route in this test at least their driver problems have gotten smaller over the years before moving on we'll point out the RTA X 3050 and a 300 option on Amazon that's allowing the a770 it's around at 45 ahead for about 17 percent of more money comparatively that's the better option than the 3050 if you can stretch the 50 bucks for the a770 although the 6600 XT is also worth considering 1440p gives us an idea for scaling with the same game settings the 6700 XT maintains a 17 lead over the a770 here dropping pretty hard from its previous 26 lead the a770 is still about the same as an RTX 3060 with the lead over the 3050 climbing to 53 percent from 45 percent Intel has a big architectural Advantage as resolution increases or you might be able to rephrase it as it has a disadvantage as resolution decreases this is something we observed in our A380 previous preview as well now we get into some of the games where it tips a little bit worse for Intel in F1 2022 with dx12 the Intel a770 ran at 106 FPS average with lows at 63 and 60 FPS that has it behind the RX 6600 non-xt a far cheaper card at about 250 bucks when we checked before filming versus the 350 MSRP if it hits that of Intel's card while holding a 13 lead that's a rough position for Intel to be in sure versus the 378. 3060 which has a 14 lead over Intel the value looks better it's at least competitive in that comparison but we can't let Intel manipulate the story into it just being Nvidia versus Intel there is another player and it is AMD and in reality AMD holds the same defender's Advantage as Nvidia does where it's already got all these drivers and it's been through these problems before so Intel in this chart is losing for Value when you look at AMD because AMD also competes on price and Intel is not good enough to just be better value than on video when you have a third competitor that's why it's so cool that there's three of them now because this starts to happen where they actually need to plan against a third player in the market so also the 6600 XT doesn't help Intel's case either at 145 FPS average to Intel's 106 it's becoming noticeable especially when you remember that this additional processing Headroom on the 6600 XT can be reassigned to higher graphic settings or resolutions you can get something for it the 6600 XT is 37 lead is in exchange for less money at 323 dollars the a770 has about the same performance as the RTX 2060 KO it outperforms the RTX 3050 by 14 and it offers a boost over the RX 580 of about 59 just for something older to give you an anchor point at 1440p the a770 ends up at 88 FPS average once again tying the RTX 3060 and RTX 2070 but allowing the 6700xc an embarrassingly strong lead at 53 ahead compared to lower end options the a770 leads the RTX 3050 by 20 FPS or about 30 percent establishing a better position than it had at 1080p if intel can ship big gpus at some point this architecture May really benefit it at 4K resolutions and at the high end or the more expensive class of cart assuming at least the architecture stretches that large if you were to upgrade to the a770 something like the RX 580 and Below might make sense to move from but these AMD options are looking a lot fiercer than they did just a couple weeks ago moving to 4K with F1 still the a770 maintains a playable frame rate at about 60 FPS average although it's one percent lows are dipping but still playable the a770 pulls ahead of the 2070 the 3060 alike finally we're missing the 6700 XT on this chart simply because we didn't have time to go back for it and run it again but it'd still be ahead we're just not sure how that percentage Advantage would change shadow of the Tomb Raider is next another dx12 game this one has the a770 at 117 FPS average with lows appropriately based for the average FPS again that's a good thing when it's not necessarily a given and with Intel it's not at least not yet the 3060 leads the a770 marginally and by an amount that isn't noticeable to a player and given the price hike it's not worth it at least in this game the RX 6600 though embarrasses the a770. it's eight percent better and it's somewhere in the range of a hundred dollars cheaper or approaching it the 6600 XT pushes that to 26 percent better while still being cheaper at 1440p the a770 is still roughly tied with the RTX 2070 and RTX 3060 but the rx6600 now Falls below the a770 that's good for Intel and again it reinforces its higher resolution strengths the 6600 XT leads the a770 by 10 now down from its 26 lead prior so the rk770 the art cards in general as you'll see it does better at 1440p and at 4K and phrased another way Intel has maybe a 1080 P problem or you could say the AMD series cards have a 4K problem Nvidia seems a little more balanced now that we have the context of both of these together it's still not establishing a value lead over AMD at 1440p however the Gap is at least closing in Intel's favor with this resolution increase it's also easier to justify the value versus an RTX 3060 in these charts which explains why Intel has focused so much of its marketing energy against that card specifically and now at 4K the a770 maintains a mostly playable frame rate and it could be tuned while finally passing the RX 6600 XT the 3060 falls behind here allowing the a770 elite of 16 percent the 6700 XT keeps the lead but also is reduced and now at a 28 Advantage once again we see the same thing where AMD has its known 1080p advantages Intel has these Newfound 4K 1440 advantages we talked about the A380 in a preliminary sense and because they are going in sort of two opposite directions they're they're diverging as the resolution gets the lower the upper bound of our testing which depend where you play for resolution there's a clear benefit to one of those two vendors Rainbow Six Siege is up now and this one is brutal for Intel it's on dx11 here most immediately we need to point out the A380 in this most recent round of testing where we collected all fresh data new operating system we used a different A380 it's still a gunnier card but it's a different specific unit we also have a new version of Rainbow Six Siege but we're using the same graphic settings resolution all that stuff we noticed performance Decay only in this title on the A380 and simultaneously we noticed an introduction of some frame time inconsistencies with all Arc cards in fact all all of the art cards both of them on this chart did very poorly here we ran additional test passes we confirmed the behavior we did driver wipes and reinstalls we use different benches everything and currently we think this is due to either the recent game updates which cause issues on Arc or due to Intel driver updates in either case we suspect software we use dx11 last time also despite a potential Vulcan advantage on Intel uh and it still did better last time even with the X11 so anyway the a770 ran 125 FPS average here which is just a complete failure of performance it's doing worse than the RX 580 worse than the rx6500 XT and worse than the GTX 1070 from six years ago something is wrong with either the driver package or the game but only apparently as it relates to Intel and it's causing this Behavior at 1440p that Trend continues unsurprisingly the a770 performance remains broken as does the A380 so we can move on from this game and just mark it as bad for now maybe it'll get better with an update to the drivers or the game itself but this is not a unique experience Intel sent us that message we talked about earlier about all kinds of broken games during the review process and you're going to keep you are the beta tester here so you'll see this sometimes we'll move on to something with Vulcan since that should theoretically work better for Intel than dx11 in strange Brigade The a770 ran at 190 FPS average when I Ultra and 1080p using the Vulcan API lows and frame times were consistent here so that's good and the a770 manages to outperform the RTX 3060 by a massive 33 percent comparatively huge versus what we saw in previous tests it's too bad that it's just this one game but it would change the story massively If This Were true in more game or at least something close to resembling maybe 50 percent even a little bit closed just more than a one the a770 runs ahead of the RX 6600 by 74 percent trailing only the absolute upper end of this chart at 1440p the a770 ran at 151 FPS average and encroached on the RTX 3070s 170 FPS result where the 3070 led the A7 170 by just 11 percent despite a price Gap nearing two hundred dollars the a770 also leads the RTX 3060 once again and the XFX RX 6600 if this scaled to all games of course it'd be in a domineering position against both AMD and Nvidia but it doesn't but at least Final Fantasy isn't too bad for it this is back on dx11 and it's a game that's more difficult to bind up on the GPU that said with the class of card we're testing today we're still GPU bound even at 1080p up until things like the top four cards or so on this chart the a770 ends up below the 6600 XT and the 6700 XT the former of which leads by five percent with the latter leading by 23 percent the a770 beats the 6600 non-xt by 10 leading the RTX 3060 by 8 this is an example of what Intel could achieve at a hardware level at least but that API was Vulcan and that benefits it here as does the way this particular game is built so this is clearly the outlier but it's maybe a glimpse at what Intel could do and in that sense it's exciting at 1440p the a770 out does the 6600 XT by 15 so it's now leading where it was marginally behind before the 6700 XT keeps a diminished lead as does the 3070 but Intel is encroaching on both of them older cards like the RX 580 might be worth considering a jump from where we see over a doubling in frame rate now at 4K the a770 now leads the 6600 XT by 29 a staggering jump that puts it in a totally different performance class while the 6700 XT only holds on to a 12 lead so wrapping up then first off you jump to your jump back to at least the driver section even if you're going to ignore the game charts because that is kind of like a mini conclusion in its own so we can't recommend this card period for the wider audience people who don't have troubleshooting experience people who haven't built computers before because you are going to encounter a problem at some point and if you're not experienced with or or don't like doing troubleshooting then it's not the right fit for you and you should just pass immediately and buy something else AMD is in a better spot these days than it ever has been as it's been finally fixing driver issues that were lying dormant for years up until the last really couple of years so they're looking pretty good right now that Intel has reminded us all to appreciate and these competing on price in terms of performance let's say the driver stuff doesn't bother you or maybe you get lucky and it doesn't plague you like it does some other people because you don't play the right types of games to get hit by them well uh F1 makes Intel look really really bad here in our testing because the 6600 XT and some of those tests was like 37 percent better and yet it costs thirty dollars more to buy the Intel card which is worse uh the 6600 non-xt is 13 better in one of those F1 tests and it is 100 cheaper for the 6600 non-xt and that's with numbers we just looked up like in the last 48 hours or so the 30 60 in some of these tests uh 14 better 30 more so you can see where versus the 30 60 Intel's got a better value proposition we're not looking at Ray tracing today we have rt tests we want to do it's just kind of a lot to run with the ryzen 7000 back to back but uh RT may be something where Nvidia holds a unique advantage over intel if RT is something you're interested in but we don't have that data for you today you'll have to get it somewhere else or come back here at a couple a couple days or a week when we have it uh Final Fantasy 14 on the positive side as well as strange Brigade are both examples of what the a770 could be if they're able to get more Universal good performance and stability across all the games so that's where Oriental needs to be it looks great in those two scenarios very competitive really good value judgment for the a770 those games it's just that it's not consistent and that's the biggest problem with the Intel art cards right now is inconsistency so if you look here's a bias disclosure for you I buy based on consistency this applies to basically everything where what I'm trying to get is a product where I know I can predict the performance one day to the next uh whether it's like technology or something mechanical like an actual physical tool that you use and so for me as a reviewer my bias is will lean towards consistency and Intel Arc is not consistent so clearly I'm not going to be likely to recommend it because it's not consistent and that's what I look forward to what Patrick looks for on the team I'm pretty sure that's what Mike looks for on the team so that's how we sort of evaluate these things ultimately the a770 just it's really not it right now Andy's kicking its ass in a lot of these games uh and when it doesn't it's not worth the trade-off anyway the a750 might look better we do have a review in the works it's not done yet but that'll be up pretty soon and you'll want to check back for the teardown as well so that's it for this one they gotta fix the drivers that's that's really all there is to it it's kind of like feels like reviewing AMD about five or six years ago where we'd look at it we go this Hardware looks really promising from these two games where it really did well outperformed Nvidia was cheaper whatever but then it just didn't work half the time it made the screen turn funny colors and the monitors weren't connected it's the same stuff with Intel so we're back in a circle it's a different vendor uh hopefully that means that in a couple years Intel will be competing the same way AMD is today but that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe for more check back for the a750 review it's cheaper so that might help outweigh some of the driver stuff and uh you can go to store.camersaccess.net to grab a toolkit or a mod mat and help us out directly we'll see you all next time\n"