**Apple's Design Mistakes: A Rant from Constant Geekery**

As I sit here reflecting on Apple's design decisions, particularly when it comes to their mice, I am reminded of the importance of owning up to mistakes and learning from them. It seems that Apple has a policy of "if you make a mistake, own it, fix it, and move on." Unfortunately, they have not always lived by this creed.

One of the most glaring examples of this is their mouse design. The current model is still plugged in via a tiny adapter that needs to be inserted into the bottom of your iPad. I mean, what's next? A USB-A port on a phone? It's an inconvenience that can't be ignored, especially when you're trying to meet a deadline or get some work done quickly. I've lost count of how many times I've had to pause my workflow because I couldn't figure out how to charge my mouse.

This has led me to abandon the mouse altogether and switch to trackpads on all three of my machines. Not only have I saved myself from the frustration of dealing with a non-standard adapter, but I've also learned that there's more than one way to get the job done. The Trackpad: it's not just for Macs anymore!

**The Consequences of Design Mistakes**

So, what does this mean for Apple? Well, as someone who's always been willing to hold them accountable for their design decisions (I like to think of myself as a bit of a critic), I'm happy to report that I've rewarded them with... well, not exactly "rewards," but let's just say I've invested in some additional trackpads. Three of them, actually.

It's become a running joke among friends and family: "Hey, did you know Apple designed a crappy mouse?" It's led to me buying more trackpads than I probably need, but hey, at least they're environmentally friendly... right? (More on that later.)

**The Future of Apple**

Now, I know what you're thinking: "But Constant Geekery, how will this affect Apple's bottom line?" Well, let me tell you, if the pandemic has taught us anything, it's that governments and economies can change quickly. And when they do, Apple is likely to be at the forefront of adapting.

In fact, I'm predicting a future where Apple becomes the de facto leader in sustainable design. They'll develop new products that are not only environmentally friendly but also incredibly user-friendly. Mark my words.

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwell guess what pete apple silicon is very nearly here yeah are you excited i am i am uh moist so welcome to episode six of the constant geekery podcast this is the special lockdown edition uh because here in the uk we are now locked down i i can't be in the same room as pete anymore uh which is fine i'm okay with that i'm okay with that pete yeah some would consider that a benefit but for both of us so uh here we are miles apart um but you know we're here together in spirit for you excellent so uh this may be a little bit different to our ordinary podcast because uh we are uh obviously video conferencing over zoom so there's a slight delay which means we can't uh we can't be as witty and pithy and as quick to respond as we as we might normally do yeah it may almost be like we're coming across like two slightly senile old codges but i can assure you that is just the delay of zoom and absolutely nothing else and um yeah to help the speech along i'm going today with some liquid refreshment in the form of some tamnavolimpe um a bit of single malt whiskey there because it is the evening time here in in the evening time i like to have a glass of whiskey and i'm really pleased for you i have none of those things because i'm i'm a professional and i'm focused on uh being completely cognizant of what i'm saying for the podcast thanks for that so let's uh let's move on and uh and actually talk about something technical and our podcast today is uh all about apple's event now apple's event happens on the 10th of november and we're actually recording this on the 5th of november and it's important to let you know that because first of all we wanted to have enough time to to pull the pieces of the podcast together because this is obviously a new a new technique for us uh and also because fifth of november here in the uk is fireworks night so if you hear lots of explosions in the background uh it's not because we live in a really dodgy area and there's some kind of street war going on uh it's simply that people are letting off fireworks in their garden yeah it's not only that we live in the dodgy area it's probably more accurate to say um no we live in a lovely part of the world so we're very lucky there so for those of you that don't know fireworks night in the uk is what's called guy fawkes night and it commemorates someone trying to blow up uh the government of the time several hundred years ago so i'm not entirely sure why that is celebrated as a national uh day but there you go that's what we do in the uk apparently okay so let's move on and talk about uh what apple is doing in the us with their event which they've entitled one more thing and i think that's a nice throwback don't you pete yeah obviously that's that's harking back to steve jobs mention of launching something right at the end of the show when everyone thought that the show was wrapped up the event was wrapped up he did that legendary one more thing and uh we've loved it ever since we have an other people have borrowed that in fact i watched dr lisa do the same thing pretty much at the amd event last week so um nice anyway that they they chose that as the name and uh we're expecting the event to be of course about apple silicon but yeah there's a question attached to that well we don't know for certain uh but it is highly likely uh because we've we've received an email invite as an apple developer haven't we to to that event and that seems to indicate that's going to be the case yeah we don't get those invites for consumer events normally so an apple developer event sorry an apple developer invite would indicate uh an event for the mac there's something else as well pete if you tried the the ar so if you go on your iphone to the apple website and you tap on the event logo um you get a nice sort of ar easter egg come up which is an apple logo but it's it's clearly emulating the the lid of a notebook isn't it definitely yeah um that's clearly an easter egg uh for what we are to expect in this event one would hope i should think so the colors are displayed i don't know if you notice people they're the same colors that are used in the the desktop background for big sur yes i did notice that so again nice little subtle cues as to what we can expect at this event excellent so we're gonna we're just gonna run through some of the things that we think about the event and uh this should be our normal monday podcast going up on the 9th of november but there's every possibility we might just launch it a little bit earlier and we'll talk about that more at the end but let's get to the let's get to the main question here is if there are going to be new apple macs this new apple hardware what hardware should we expect um yeah and that's that's a good question i think we're both of the view that we're probably not expecting a full lineup of uh of machines at this point perhaps one maybe two what would your call be on what to expect then uh well i think it's a notebook i don't think there's any doubt about that um given all the leaks that we've had and of course that ar augmented reality easter egg that we had that's clearly a laptop now of course the you know apple have updated the intel macbooks over this year but um i think there's a good reason why we might see a 13-inch macbook but let's just let's just run through the possible uh scenarios and we'll probably answer that question i just wanted to say though i saw a um i saw an article in the nikkei if that's how you say asian review where they think that apple is planning to produce two and a half million macbooks with apple silicon uh by the end of february 2021. just to put that in context um they shipped 12 and a half million macbooks in the whole of 2019 so this is quite ambitious over the period of what two two and a half months to to ship or not to ship but to produce two and a half million macbooks in that time yeah it's incredible incredible so let's just run through the potential form factors what are we expecting okay well i think it's a given that they're going to want to get some kind of fanless macbook like the the 12-inch macbook of of past into the lineup i think that's really really really likely you know something where they perhaps tone down the power on the first outing so they've got something to save for the next generation or maybe another announcement and have something that really has phenomenal battery life that would be my first call yeah i think that's uh that's a pretty good shout actually um but i think it would be probably in the macbook air chassis rather than yeah if you remember that 12 inch macbook it didn't have thunderbolt you had just one usbc port the macbook air itself might as well be fanless for all the good the fan that's in it does i mean it's not really connected in any meaningful way to the cpu so i'm thinking i think you're probably right there but i think it might be in the macbook a revision of the macbook air and it's this this battery life thing you know they they made a big thing about all-day battery life and the macbook air currently provides that i think it's uh is it 11 hours or something it is which is all day for most people right so imagine the coup if they can say two-day battery life i mean we said this back in june when we reviewed the the uh announcement event um if they can launch something with two-day battery life consumers will lap that up long battery life that's going to sell laptops no problem but what about something more pro what do you reckon pete yeah well i think that's that's that's likely um i mean just like the macbook pro um 13-inch that we have at the moment isn't a true pro machine i think that we could see the equivalent of a macbook pro 13 using the new silicon and the reason for that is we already know that the existing apple silicon in the a12x will outperform the top of the range 13-inch macbook pro um so we are actually talking about something as i think about that is worthy of that pro moniker especially if it has enough ports um but it would be lovely to see that and a fanless design to cover all the bases that would be amazing especially if it had great battery life too yeah so i think that's uh those are good shouts um just to be clear you know we'll talk about the specifics of the silicon in a bit but you take the a12x or a12z depending on where you live um that chip certainly is more powerful in multi-core performance and single core performance than the top of the range quad-core i7 that you can spec in the 13-inch macbook pro yeah and it also outperforms the iris plus graphics as well so and the a14 chip takes out on a step so again we'll come back to the specifics of the silicon in a bit but you'll have this situation where if they don't do it even if they just put something equivalent to the a14 chip in the macbook air they're already going to have a situation where the macbook air is outperforming the macbook 13-inch macbook pro in a lot of cases bear in mind that many people who buy the 13-inch macbook pro don't expect that top processor yeah in fact i would say very few do so it won't fit within the lineup if they don't do it so i think they have to do a 13-inch macbook pro yeah i agree with you and i think they'd be crazy not to showcase the power um that's the potential there because you know we've been hanging on for this ever since it was announced at wwdc and we know there's a long roll out program over potentially a few years before we get the you know the serious high-end machines they they're going to want to drip feed it but they don't want to give us too little they're going to want to give us a real taste of the power that's potentially out there in this new um new silicon yeah so what about a macbook pro 16 inch uh well there are some people thinking that we'll see one at this event and it's a hard one to call it depends how good apple silicon is um it's gonna have to be going some to beat the top specs on the the top end 16-inch models um i suppose it's possible it could sit alongside an entry spec machine but in light of what we've just said that seems less plausible i think that uh well i think the silicon could easily be good enough to to match the six core i7 that's in the 16 inch i think it's not out of the realms a possibility that it could compete with the eight core i9 that you can spec but the key here is that the 13-inch macbook pro if they make that with apple silicon and a decent performer it's going to get so close to the performance of the 16-inch model and in some cases beating out the 16-inch model although possibly not on graphics that it would give people pause for thought if they're looking to buy one of these things so here's what i think lots of people are saying that these are the three laptops we're gonna get uh lots of rumors saying that 13-inch macbook air 13-inch macbook pro and a 16-inch macbook pro but i wonder if that might be the case and the 16-inch macbook pro is an announcement but not immediately available okay yeah so so it ships sometime in the future which like we have been seeing that haven't we've seen this will be available at the end of this week and this will be available well actually there's some there's some new products available from tomorrow um as we record this the 6th of november from memory so um it could be a phase rollout or they could be doing what intel are doing and announcing things that aren't going to come around for another six months yeah let's let's not open that kind of worms um yeah that's not too but let's move on then away from notebook form factor another possibility is the imac 24 what do you think about this uh well the smaller i'm at the 21 inch hasn't been updated in a while has it so it is possible uh there is some talk about just making the so keeping the same essential form factor but making the bezel smaller to get that 24 inch screen um i could see in line with everything else that we've been seeing and the fact that apple haven't upgraded the baby imac i could see this being credible um but again maybe not available immediately but i wouldn't be surprised if we get a peek of what that looks like yeah that would be nice to see um i i feel again that the issue they've got is if they put these apple silicon chips into the imac 24 it's gonna outperform most of the 27-inch lineup and you end up with this this weirdness i mean it's gonna be very apple love to control pricing then everything is very carefully thought out and they control the pricing so that you're you're pushed up to the next model and it's going to be very difficult for them to do that when they've got you know consumer grade machines that are effectively getting very close if not past the performance of the more expensive more professional grade machines yeah and i suppose it would seem odd if you've got this what's going to be a pretty incredible 24-inch imac and actually quite attractive that that size i think will be quite attractive for a lot of people because the the 21 inch looks quite small now with bigger screens coming along that it used to look massive but these days it looks quite tweet and little um it's just not going to sit right if you've got this amazing 24 inch machine and you've still got the the the 27 inch imac as it stands at the moment so maybe it is something they'll either hold in the bag or we could take it the other way and maybe we'll get a whole new imac lineup but i think that's less likely i think if that was to be the case we'd probably be seeing something maybe in quarter two of 2021 yeah so to tie in with next year's wwdc that's what i would expect and uh there's also the the mac mini so i think that's possible i mean it hasn't been updated properly in a little while has it um i i think it would make more sense for desktop machines to come at a separate event you know have an event that focuses now on the notebooks and you know because i think they're they're at a point with the silicon where it's ideal for notebooks but they've probably got a little way there's a room for improvement for the desktop machines and there are some really intriguing rumors at the moment of a a desktop machine that looks like the mac pro that is smaller yeah and that would be a lovely design to see that would be really nice um i've actually got a question for you just your thoughts on this a bit of a curveball with all this new apple silicon based machines do you think we are gonna essentially see we talked about a machine being in the macbook air chassis do you think we're going to see the same chassis used for the apple silicon or do you think there's going to be some visual differentiators so that people who've become early adopters particularly can show off their apple silicon to those who notice it um i think uh well there's a there's the possibility of new form factors but i i don't think they'll be specifically different because it's apple silicon i think apple has a standard design language and i you know they're just creating machines for that design language i feel that at the moment the the mac mini doesn't really fit within that so i like the idea of a of a mac pro i don't like the idea of the potential pricing that would go with that but nonetheless there's there's no need for the designs to be different if you put these um these apple silicone chips i'm i'm avoiding using the term arm processors you know we need to be clear here for for folks watching at home that um if you haven't watched any of our other videos yes they are arm processors in the sense that they use the arm architecture and instruction set but they are very bespoke and customized by apple they're not it's not a standard arm design so you can't really think of them absolutely you know just to call them an arm chip doesn't really work they don't need as much cooling though even even so because you know we've seen them in the ipads and they don't have fans so it doesn't need a massive case like the mac pro no unless you're putting adding cards in and and various other things so that's a very long-winded answer to your question and the simple answer is i don't know i don't think apple are specifically looking to um to do designs at this point in time for the to help you stand out from the crowd i think uh i think maybe that would come in a couple of years time when they're starting to back away from intel but i there is the question of you know will there be another intel mac at this event um well tim cook at wwdc did say that there would be more intel machines but of course we have had more intel machines so it's a question of is it just there's only been one isn't that pete unless i've got this wrong i i think it was only the since wwdc it's only been the imac 27 inch that's been updated and it was a reasonable update i mean they changed some of the internals didn't they and brought in the 10th gen intel processors but i can't think of any other machines that we've had since then yeah we did a video on that imac and it is a very good machine but you're right tim did if i recall correctly used the plural and we have only seen the one so that does seem likely that we will see some more intel machines along the way but that kind of takes me back to my point about visual differentiation i wonder if i agree with you i don't think we're going to see chassis differences but i wonder if there's going to be small indicators that indicate that you you've got something a bit different maybe the color of the apple logo on the back or some subtle indication that you've got something a bit more special a bit different because i think people do like that badge of honor especially the early adopters and i think apple will definitely recognize that so i'd be expecting some kind of small visual differentiator for the apple silicon powered stuff maybe a nice sticker like the intel inside ones used to have i think what would be nice is if they lit up the apple logo again on the the lid of the laptop that would be good well the battery power will be there for it so why not yeah i think it always just use the um it always use the screen backlight didn't it so i don't think it took any it wasn't a separate light anyway um we've got a huge a huge page of notes for this and um let's move it on let's talk about the new silicon so apple silicon what is it not p it is not it is not an ipad chip right and i i think it's really important to say this because when and at least i really hope that we're not proven wrong with this but when apple announced this for wwdc they said they were producing max specific silicon and they will have to do something different anyway for the feature set of mac os and there is the situation at the moment the developer kit which has the a12z cpu doesn't support everything for example it can't do virtualization so no developers have been able to do that so let's just um let's just be very clear about what it is however it is certainly going to be based on the same underpinnings as the a14 bionic chip that has recently been released in the ipad air and the iphone 12 and that uses tsmc which is a a foundry that makes the the chips for apple and they are using their five nanometer process on these chips and that's uh if you're not massively technically minded that's a that's a good thing so how does it differ from the ipad chip that's the question well i think well not i think it's going to have to have additional cpu and gpu calls to be capable of doing what needs to be done and i think it's important you know we've said it's not just an ipad chip but we have been basing some of our evaluations on that because that's the closest thing we have and it is it's using that same five nanometer process um those benchmarks that we've looked at help us to see what's possible with less cpu cores um that that's the key isn't it we did a video on that yeah we did and so just a very brief recap you're talking about that existing ipad chip has single core performance that's better than pretty much anything that's on the market from amd and intel at the moment for consumers uh when it comes to multi-core performance it's you know it's very good um it's not as it's not up to the to the top level yet of those ipad pro chips but that's simply down to the number of cores so i would expect the max pacific apple silicon will have those additional cores i think it's a six core in the ipad air i'd expect it to be at least an eight core and then it is probably going to have additional gpu performance but as it is the a14 bionic outperforms again any kind of integrated gpu that's on offer from amd or intel it's very quick and if apple added additional gpu cores we we felt that it would be perfectly possible for them to be getting up to kind of radion pro 560 performance which was you know one of the top graphics cards in the 15-inch macbook pro only a year ago just over a year ago so that that's where it could be um how will we differentiate it though from these ipad chips do you think pete well i think we do need to differentiate it because so many people are almost mocking the fact it's just an ipad chip and a laptop and as we've established no this is going to be a lot more than that but it can take advantage of the better thermal properties that a laptop can afford it a notebook can afford it than an ipad again we don't know what that's going to be but you know the current chips have got the prefix of a maybe these have a prefix of m for mac you know so you have an m14 um who knows we'll have to see and maybe maybe they'll differentiate that the performance of those depending you might have an m14 x and an m14 z or z depending on where you are have to wait and see yeah i think that'll be a good idea and i'm just hoping that it's it does come with that support for virtualization um for developers you know particularly for us and people who don't don't watch the channel regularly uh pete and i own a web studio so we do software development and web development so our developers are interested in running virtual machines and that's how they get their work done you can't do that on an ipad chip that just isn't a it doesn't have that capability so i'm hoping they're going to introduce that for mac uh the indications is that they are so and there are other things that are missing as well you know like avx support so um without getting into air too deep here you know uh some audio plugins that professionals use would require that avx support the intel chips can provide but apple silicon can't at the moment so there are still things where apple silicon can't cover all bases yet so we'll see how all of that goes anything else that we might expect from a hardware point of view or well i would like to see whether we can expect i think we probably can expect at least some teasers on the development of the gpus and some perhaps some clarity around apple's future plans for gpus and egpu support as well yeah so i i'd be very keen on finding out about egpu support i is there any reason why we can't have these things with apple silicon there's no technical reason no i can't think of one um and i think you know as we'll talk about this gpu in a moment uh it's uh it's still going to take a while for apple to to get close to the kind of graphics cards that are available you know amd have just launched their new uh architecture and new graphics cards nvidia have just launched theirs not that apple use nvidia that's another story for another day but certainly there's a lot of gpu horsepower that people can put in a mac pro at the moment um if apple want to move people across to apple silicon surely they'll have to support dedicated gpus in some way and it would be really great if we could still have egpu support you know i like the smaller notebook as you know i don't get on with a bigger one i've tried it it just doesn't work for me so i like to have a smaller notebook that i can plug into my egpu and still do editing work on and various other things so please apple let's hope please however what about these rumors pete you're talking about the rumors about apple this is the old delays kicking in a bit here apple were rumored to be working on a dedicated gpu yeah do we do we think that's like so uh i think it is it has to be the case but it has to be the case the question is will it be any good do you think well i've been having an interesting bit of dialogue actually with uh with a commenter on the the youtube channel so um if you're not listening to us on youtube then it's youtube.com forward slash constant geekery if you'd like to check us out there and join in with the comments um interesting chat anyway um about this but apple by all accounts have been quietly poaching people from their competitors the likes of amd imagination technologies um i don't know who else but i've certainly seen rumors about those two companies and these rumors they go right back to 2014. so by all accounts apple have got a gpu team based in orlando and i've actually seen job adverts on linkedin for gpu staff gpu engineers to work in orlando for apple so i don't think those are faked so i i believe that that's likely to have happened and these these guys are not sat there twiddling their thumbs are they they've been there for six years at least so they must be working on something i think they've already shown what they can do with a system on chip and you know that's a limited it limits how much they can do with the graphics imagine if they can get outside of the constraints of that system on chip and build a dedicated gpu although that said one of the things that apple's been speaking about with developers is the benefits of using a gpu that's integrated on in a system on chip so i'm i'm not com i'm not convinced either way i i think that the role for a dedicated gpu will be in addition to the integrated gpu that's on apple silicon and it will perform some additional heavy lifting work so i i don't think it'd be quite the same as the relationship we have at the moment like in your macbook pro 16-inch for example pete you've got your intel onboard graphics and then you've got your 5300 in but it switches from one to the other doesn't it it doesn't use them both in conjunction yeah so i i think a dedicated gpu from apple will have to augment this whole um system on chip idea and the apple silicon idea so i've been talking a lot but that that's kind of what i think how close yeah i think well i i just wanted to reinforce that apple philosophy about how they they use pieces of hardware to accelerate certain things like it's the t2 chip isn't it that does certain things when you're rendering uh video if you have that available so apple are very much about you know making use of additional stuff when the task requires it and we did a video recently about real world performance and how often when you're working in excel or word you don't need that extra performance so i could see a dedicated gpu from apple just you know being there when you need it but i think it's probably some way off yet um because apple will want to get that right and they will want to make it another sucker punch to others out there but it's definitely the missing piece to complete apple's puzzle if you like of moving away from other vendors um hardware and silicon for for their machines yeah i completely agree with that and the thing is of course they've got the money to do it and apple have shown you know i don't we said this before we don't agree with their their business morals and ethics and all the rest of it i think apple would be perfectly happy with total global domination i don't know whether tim cook's got a personal fancy for swivel chairs and white cats to stroke and that sort of global domination i don't know but i think if they can do it they would do it and i think only a fool would bet against them yeah i agree good so um let's sort of sum up this part then what do we think what do we think is coming tomorrow let's make some predictions put the next on the block pete what do we think is coming uh not tomorrow well it could be tomorrow it depends when we launch the podcast for the apple event on the whatever it is of november ted thank you 10th of november i'm going to go with two 13-inch laptops one consumer focused and a long battery life and then something with more focus on performance and i'm also going to go and say one will be available maybe immediately and the other one might be in in a few weeks time but again i wouldn't be surprised if it's available in time for christmas yeah i think there's a potential for another machine but again possibly not immediately available and obviously this is gonna this is gonna really suck for me because i've i've put it out there that i'm gonna buy one of these machines as soon as possible so i'm really hoping that i don't end up having to buy the the third you know the the one that nobody really wants because i got to get it quick enough uh because unfortunately we are in this uh situation where you know we're making videos at the moment for youtube and just uh so people on youtube can understand the economics of doing this uh pete and i are in this rather privileged position where we're kind of semi-retired from from our business and we're able to invest our money in building a youtube channel but if you added up all the money that we earned from ad revenue sponsorships and everything else to this to this point in time versus what we spent on equipment and time getting this together then i think it's fair to say that we are very severely in the red are we not pete uh yeah that that's definitely the case it's definitely at the moment a passion project um hopefully you can see how passionate we are about it but yeah having to then go out and buy apple silicon uh for the channel we we want to we want to make sure it's the good one but i'm i'm confident that those we you know we get some lovely comments on this channel i'm confident that people will be really pleased that we we go out and do that for them even if we do get let's be honest no apple silicone machine is going to be a turd it might just be a lesser lesser machine than you choose but you know we'll see we'll see what we can do good well we're certainly um if everything's available to order straight away we'll get straight on that and we'll we'll video our decision making process and everything else and our idea is to get something in so that we can get testing straight away so that's why i hope that we're going to get something with reasonable performance and obviously it's time critical to get the views on youtube and we'd like to get to 10 000 subscribers by the end of the year i think as of recording today we're on about 6 300 and a bit so um if you feel if you're feeling kind and rightly disposed towards it then uh head on over to youtube and hit the subscribe button we really appreciate it anyway plug over let's move on to some software announcements what software announcements are we going to get i mean there's there's one obvious one isn't there go on launch of big sur so that will be available for downloading it for for everybody yeah yeah that's a that's a no-brainer really isn't it um but on on top of that um hopefully they will have dealt with the battery icon by then as well um oh that's already fixed actually oh is it yeah they already changed that didn't keep up with that one the uh the baby bottle feed have a look back at that if you want to laugh um but obviously with apple silicon being what we think is going to be the focus of this then i i fully expect that apple's applications will have a native apple silicon binary at that point so that's things like final cut pro logic pro xcode and some of their consumer apps that you natively get with mac os so um anything i've never seen that's no i think that's reasonable to expect um whether they'll they'll do every single one of their apps it's another question because i suspect some of them are quite lightweight and will run through rosetta so they'll get translated who knows i think third-party apps that's something they're going to need to feature i mean everyone expects that apple are going to update final cut pro or logic or any of these others but third-party app support at launch and they did mention two contenders at the the june event didn't they yeah they did uh so we got the uh adobe adobe are working on uh their creative suite and providing an apple apple silicon supported version of that and obviously microsoft and office 365 um that's going to help shift entry level devices and actually i did read an article that came out today that the latest version of excel the latest beta version of excel which you can get an early preview of if you signed up to that program with microsoft does have uh apple silicon support in it so it's a it's already there but they did say that tim cook said it or somebody said anyway at that event that they'd been working already with adobe and microsoft and a couple of others as well prior to opening up development support for everybody so uh i think those things are obviously incredibly important for creative professionals uh incredibly important for the business market office 365. um i think as well there might be some preferred smaller developers who might have received additional support i'm thinking the likes of serif who make affinity photo and affinity designer which are brilliant apps i'm just going to put a plug in for serif not that we're sponsored by them in any way whatsoever but we moved our web studio away from adobe and we use serifs products instead and uh that's not been a decision we've regretted so very good apple apple have um worked with you know they featured serif before so i i think that's just one example of a kind of preferred smaller developer that might have received some additional support uh something i'm personally hoping for of course is that um davinci resolve will be available in an apple silicon version um we'll see you keep banging that drum i i've got to be honest it's working really well for me i know you know everyone has their own favorite but since i moved from final cut to davinci i've found that i've just found life is better in the video editing world anything else any other types of apps well we've talked about gpus and that um apple are going to want to prove the ability of its gpu so i think there's going to be there's going to be some focus on some game titles now apple have never focused on what we would call serious gaming they're much more about the casual gamer um but that doesn't mean that the casual gamer wants you know an inferior experience when when they're playing their games so i think there might be some game titles out there that that will be credible to play yeah i agree with that and again you know we get some comments on this we're not talking here at all about super massive frame rates in 4k on the latest aaa titles with all the settings set to ultra that's not what we're talking about here we're just talking about casual games that look good the kind of games that you would have played five years ago you know and they will look as good as they did then you know i mean you already look at the um ipad games and their console quality aren't they they're not next gen console quality but they you know it still looks good and i apple wants that casual gaming market they've launched apple arcade so they are interested in gaming but they're not they're not going after the kind of user that's going to build a custom liquid cool pc and run steam that's not their target market no and they do know their market they know their customer and uh that those customers will not have a bit of casual gaming so they want that to be a good experience and they want that subscription dollar as well don't they pete yeah which leads nicely into what i think we might also have an update on which is the apple one subscription status because we know that's coming before the end of the year uh so it may be maybe that we hear more on that at this point yeah okay so this is just the they announced this at the watch event didn't they so it's a combined one you know one stop subscription for all of the apple services with a few different pricing levels we're not going to get into detail on that now so here's the question that lots of people are asking pete and i'm interested to see how you would answer these two questions in fact okay apple silicon apple silicon max is it just an ipad in a macbook frog and are apple trying to deviously merge ios with mac os no and no good um that's my answers would you like me to to sort of elucidate on that a little bit um macbook is it's it's for a different again it goes back to who who your target customer is macbook users generally are a different type of user to ipad users now i know you've used an ipad for several weeks when you have no choice to do your day-to-day work and you can do it um and that's the ipad's credit but i would never want to replace my macbook pro at this point with an ipad there's too many things that this does that i could never get on with an ipad through choice apple know that so they're not just going to redress something and they're not going to try and merge mac os with ios because if they did that and if they did just try and dress up an ipad in a macbook body they're going to lose customers because that's not what what those customers want they're different um so i suspect it'll be a combination much like it is now that's what i think they're trying to do yeah i agree with you i think that you know there are people who who are concerned that they think one of the things apple's trying to do is to force uh apps to go through their mac store like like on you know on your ipad or your iphone you've got to go to the app store to download your apps people are worried that they'll do the same thing on mac i'm gonna just say yes apple would absolutely love that i don't think it's in their interest to do it and i don't think they will do it i think they will encourage developers to distribute apps via their app store but they won't make that a something that they have to do what about the idea of being able to run ios apps ios apps on mac os you know a lot of people have are rubbishing that as a well you know why would you ever want to do that and they think that it's just going to stifle development because developers won't bother spending the time to build a proper mac os version of their software because their ipad version already runs for example i i don't think it will i understand the argument but if you've gone to the hard work of making an ios version of something or a mac os version of something why would you not then i suppose going from ios to mac os is probably the better example why would you not go to the extra effort of taking advantages of the features and the power that mac os and the the hardware is going to give you it i think it will actually encourage um more development yeah because most of the heavy lifting is already done they're not having to rewrite the the app you know it's uh and i think that that will do the opposite i'm yeah i totally agree with you i gotta say at this point you know people who are making jokes about uh ipad chips you know those jokes are getting pretty old and they they seem a little bit uh disingenuous dare i say even stupid now because it's been proven beyond you know any doubt that apple's chips are good performers that's not in question anymore i think there is still you know a sort of there's an area of consumers who don't understand what apple are trying to do because they're so in the pc mindset you know of super fast cpu super fast gpu uh that they can't understand this other approach to computing and they're afraid of what they don't know and so they they rubbish it i think there are other people who you know for and just cannot conceive of being able to buy into apple's ecosystem i'm sure that's true of a lot of people around the world you know these computers are fantastically expensive really when you think about it um and so as a result of that you know it's something they can't have so they attack it um and i think that that's where a lot of this stuff comes from i i i'm hoping i you know i'm prepared to be wrong on this but i'm just hoping that apple pleasantly surprises everybody next week by showing what they've been thinking about you know all of the things that we've spoken about in various videos since that announcement um i'd like to see apple come good on all of that stuff and and deliver a genuine step change to computing um you know something that hasn't happened for a very long time um yeah the the performance of these chips is unquestionable at this point we're seeing it and the computer science that we're seeing being applied to this is actually refreshing it does remind me of the earlier days of computing when understanding how different parts of the machine worked well together and optimizing just making things as efficient as possible was a thing and i completely agree with you yes apple machines apple devices are eye-wateringly expensive depending on where you are in the world that they can be unobtainable um and i think that puts people off but um equally if you don't understand what apple are trying to do with system on chips with the whole concept of apple silicon you just think about meaty cpu beauty gpu then yeah it's going to bypass you and that that can make you then want to cause it to be the butt jokes but i think next week when we see this stuff running and when it gets out into the wild i think there will still be detractors because they don't want to understand it and they'll just point at raw figures as opposed to the experience it gives you but i think we're about to see a seismic change in computing yeah i agree with you good well what about other products uh i mean i've i've thought of two possibles airpods studio and air tags any thoughts do we are we gonna see those next week well i predicted we would at the the last event and i did end up with egg on my face thinking about it um i don't think we will i think we'll probably be waiting to next year i think in fact i think uh certainly with their tags i think they did say they would be delayed till next year but also this is very much there is a consumer element to this event but developers have been invited i think airpod studio and their tags would make more sense an out and out consumer event rather than than this event yeah i agree with that so i think next year and i'm hoping at the same event we might get a new ipad pro as well but that's that's another discussion for another day now i suspect that during this event we are going to have to sit through apple celebrating itself as it always does talk about how the mac has changed the world in some way and probably a whole bunch of environmental commentary as well and yeah i just want to call apple out on this and i want to come back to the to the iphone 12. that recent event um we've we've had comments and you know we we spoke about this in a previous podcast um they are not including a charger in the box with the iphone 12. and the whole bunch of they claim they claim for environmental reasons because everyone's got one right so here's the question why include a usbc to lightning cable in the box if you're expecting everyone to use their existing iphone charger which has a usb a port on it which won't fit the old charger well i've had i've had varying comments on this pete and one of the ones that keeps coming up is well it it's usbc supports power delivery which is that's absolutely true it does the usbc standard supports uh sending power 100 watts over that connection yeah but the lightning plug at the other end doesn't that's it it's got a lightning plug at the other end so um apple's fast charger is 18 watts okay now in fairness that is higher than usb type a can support now technically i believe and someone will no doubt correct me if i'm wrong but i believe type a can support 15 watts but it's unusual to see charges at that level most people would have a 12 watt charger which equates to 2.4 amps and indeed apple have one of those which is the ipad charger the old ipad charger if you use one of those it's actually not that much slower to get to a full charge than the fast charger is now i will just say the fast charger gets to that you know it does that initial bit of charging up to 50 very quickly but it slows right down after that so it's not actually a huge amount of difference so a lot of people then just turn around and say well okay they put the wrong cable in the box but that doesn't mean that they're not doing this for good environmental reasons you can just use your old cable right no fast charging well this is it then you you lose this fast charging excitement that apple's talking about here's what i think right it's designed to get the customer thinking about charges oh there's no charger in the box i've now got i've now got to think about this because apple aren't supplying a charger and let's face it do you use the iphone charger have you ever used an iphone charger that came with the box not in recent years no which you know probably supports the argument for it being an environmental step to take it out of the box i personally leave mine in its packaging when i sell the iphone on after i finish with it someone gets a fresh plug the reason i don't use it is because it's a one amp charger and it takes too long so i've got a faster solution but anyway customer the average customer may not think that way they go into the apple store they pick up their phone but they're told oh there's no charger in the box and now they've got a think about charger conveniently conveniently apple has on the shelf a fast usbc charger which will work with the supplied cable in the box uh or does it yeah it does and all you can go with this new magsafe wireless charger which is not necessary incidentally because the iphone will still work with existing wireless charging pads so apple have created a new wireless charging system which will cause people to perhaps think they need that instead of using their existing wireless charging pad that they might have bought from you know mophie or whatever so the consumers they're thinking about charges because there isn't a charger in the box and now they're they're going to upgrade on and they're either going to buy that fast charger or they're going to buy the um the magsafe charger yeah neither of which is an environmental step forward is it not yet no definitely not and um you don't get fast charging with a wireless charger either it's only seven and a half watts isn't it yeah so um you lose out on both counts basically it's a master stroke of positioning um one might say to to sell more stuff to um yeah put more money in apple's wallet yeah and when we've said that in the past we've been lambasted for that but you know we do do a little bit of uh marketing pete and i in our in our professional careers just just a little bit of just a little bit of marketing so we understand how these things go uh if you feel a little bit confused by the discussion we just had well that's exactly the point you confuse the customers then you're likely to get a sale because the customer is there in the apple shop and it's like oh well i know one of these is going to work so therefore i'll buy it and there's another great little sales tool that they're using here which is give someone a choice of two things if you present someone with a choice of two things they're going to choose one of those things most consumers are not going to go oh no i'll choose the third option that you haven't presented to me which is not buy a charger at all so i'm sure some consumers will do that but i think you know the average joe walking in off the street buying an iphone is probably still going to buy a charger to go with it which means extra money for apple and doesn't help at least immediately with the environmental concern it will help the environment the next strand well unless they change you know they come up with a new connection technology that we have yet to see um it i was impressed at first and i have to say apple are doing their thing for the supply chain and that so we're not completely lambasting all of apple's environmental efforts but the charger one just stuck it stood out to us as i bet there's a spreadsheet or a numbers sheet do you think apple uses internally numbers or excel who knows but there's a sheet somewhere that's done the projections of how much how much they're going to make from exactly the choice you just said on on charging accessories yeah i'm sure that's the case and the reason why we're bringing this sorry the reason why we're bringing this up is because of course magsafe was originally the charging standard for or it was the name given to the charger for the macbooks and i'm just i'm just kind of hoping pete i don't think this is likely but i'm just hoping apple doesn't do something stupid like remove usb-c charging from the macbook range and replace it with some magsafe proprietary type of charger now you've said that you know that's exactly what we're going to find out about isn't it that's going to be the differentiator there is going to be there's going to be no ports on these new new machines whatsoever they're going to be completely sealed and everything's going to be done through a magnet okay so speaking of magnets hyperbole yeah let's move on because i know how much you love magnets pete and you got all excited when you saw all men love magnets i i do like magnets but i'm i wasn't quite as excited as you to see the apple wallet for example and um we've seen quite an amusing review of this on mac rumors on youtube didn't we it's brilliant it's brilliant so just just for those that aren't aware the the new ma apple wallet is a it's a piece of leather with a magnet in it that if you have one of the the new iphones will snap onto the back of it and carry your cards around uh but it only holds three cards now just out of interest well let me let me ask you a couple of questions for us so it's very tight so if you've got three cards in there it's really difficult to get the cards out there's a technique to it which then makes you wonder well what happens if i only have one in it is it going to just kind of fall out but three cards just not my microphone three cards so let me ask you as a businessman how many cards do you have to carry dave right well i knew you were going to ask me this um so i've pre-prepared i'm not going to get my wallet out now and nine is the answer to that and that may seem a little bit extreme but we've got uh or i've got i'm part of three companies so i have a payment card for each of those companies for one of them i've got a credit card as well plus i have my personal bank cards joint account personal account a couple of credit cards so yeah nine uh so i would need plus you're driving plus my driving license and yeah other id as well so i probably need four apple wallets and presumably four iphones to attach them to yeah i'm being facetious i i don't think you know apple designed this with the idea that this was going to replace a conventional wallet i think it's a you know it's just a place to carry a few cards so you know but still i i think make sure some people agree yeah although i know some people in the comments are going to use apple pay now i've just got a couple of cards what you do guys walking around with loads of cards for so i'm sure we'll get lambasted from it and we are we are being a little bit facetious about this but um what cards have magnetic strips on them don't they i do we don't use them very much anymore in fairness do we we use the chip more or contactless yeah but there are old atms that still use the magnetic strip reader and certain devices as a backup i'm pretty sure it's not a good idea to have a strong magnet near a magnetic strip that holds data you want to keep no it's probably well i was always told not to do that i mean i i can remember back to year old days of uh cassette tapes and magnets and how easy it was to destroy a recording um i actually destroyed the television once with a magnet in a massive celestial speaker so i put it unbeknownst to me next to a television and it kind of just shifted a whole load of colors and it was not a winner no ruins them yeah it's a that's a good shout and um i can tell you that on my nine cards because i know the apple card you know which is only available in the states but that doesn't have a magnetic strike at least i don't think it does um but i can tell you every single one of the nine cards i've got in my wallet has a magnetic stripe on it so i wouldn't be putting them into a wallet that has a strong magnet for sure maybe it's maybe it's something that's more common in the uk i don't know have to have to ask our listeners in the states to tell us have you got magnetic strips on the back of your cards how about charging the phone wirelessly using your new magsafe charger which you bought at the apple store because you were confused and you didn't know what to buy can you charge your phone whilst you've got your wallet on no you can't so you have to take it off and here's the absolute best bit and this is where so if you can imagine an iphone with this wallet attached to the back of it and someone putting that into their jeans pocket which um macro has demonstrated very well in their video and what happens is the jeans pocket slides between the iphone and the wallet the phone goes in the pocket the wallet goes on the floor um i just i cannot understand how a company that prides itself on industrial design and testing and quality and can make such an enormous gaffe it's wallet gate isn't it it's you know what's going to happen it's going to be you're putting it in your pocket wrong yeah it's so is it so is and that's um that's 59 pounds in the uk for that little um slither of leather and so my recommendation to you is um is get a bellroy so again we're not sponsored by bellroy but i i have a bellroy wallet it's gotta be five years old it carries my nine cards plus associated id and various other bits and bobs and it's really quite thin it's not too bulky very nicely designed things so for that kind of money very rarely opened as well very dust comes out a few moths might might fly out if i dare to open it anyway moving on the reason why we bring these things up is because we're desperately hoping that apple doesn't have any gaffs this time you know don't go waxing lyrical about your environmental credentials and then put the wrong cable in the box and under undo all of your work or you know be seen very you know very publicly to be so anti the repair and reuse movement you know so you're you're ending up yeah okay you're recycling machines but that's kind of the last step of the process we'd like to be able to repair them first apple definitely doesn't want anybody doing that um and it wouldn't be the first time either that they've done a a product design gaff in the mac world would it be no is there any particular device you're kind of hoping that maybe apple will redesign yeah um this so pete for the listeners yeah pete's holding magic i'm holding i'm holding up a magic mouse obviously if you're watching on youtube you can see me holding up my beloved magic mouse which is a lovely thing except when you want to come to charge it it's just it's awkward it's you know it it reminds me of i'm holding up my apple pencil 2 now which is a again that's a brilliant thing you just snap it on it to the ipad and it charges away but with the magic mouse you have to plug it in with the lightning cable in a very awkward way which can scratch the mouse and it's not great at all so a magic mouse that has some sophisticated way of charging that perhaps can be done on a regular basis like the apple pencil too for your ipad would be so much better it would yeah a wireless charging system or at least uh i'm i'm now holding up a magic mouse uh there's the charging the lightning charging port as you can see it's on the bottom of the mouse which prevents you from using the mouse whilst you're charging it if you've never seen that before ridiculous design when it could have been on the front or the back or somewhere like that not well thought out at all the apple pencil one is another great example where of course they have fixed that now with pencil too but there are still ipads that only support pencil one so it's still a current product and the way of charging that is if you haven't lost the minuscule little adapter they provide is that you plug it into the bottom of your ipad like a like some kind of phallic appendage which is it's not a winner is it it's not favorite so please apple fix these things uh i actually don't care about the mouse anymore because of because in fact this is a classic example of how apple make money right because of that stupid mouse design and before anybody again hits us up in the comments section yes we know you've only got to plug it in for 5-10 minutes and you get you know an hour's use out of it or something but still that inconvenience right at the moment when you're trying to hit a deadline or something like that it's not it's what caused me it's what caused me to move over to the track pad um so i i now have three track pads three different track pads for different machines in different places um and they cost i don't know what they cost but anyway because apple designed a crappy mouse i've bought three of their i've rewarded them by buying three of their track pads and completely changing the world and thereby you are actually happy helping the real apple wallet which is of course tim cook's pension fund oh wow he's he is getting quite low on on funds these days so yeah are they dipped back under two trillion dollars i don't know anyway i don't know i don't think they can buy any spare planets at the moment i think they're a bit short of buying a new planet i i think to be honest after this uh after the pandemic has finished and all the governments in the world have got no money left because they've been giving it to everybody then apple will step in and just sort of take over the world anyway when it comes to design mistakes our policy is if you make a mistake own it fix it move on so apple please fix the mouse please don't make any more silly mistakes please don't preach to us about the environment we want you to be environmentally friendly but you know we we don't believe you when you say that you are and then you do things that show that you're not so we're not idiots please do what it is that you're saying that you're doing anyway that's my my little rant over i shall climb back down off my soapbox uh so depending on when we decide to launch this video which will depend on when i get around to editing it so it may go up at the usual time four o'clock on a monday or i may put it up before that so the apple event is either tomorrow or it's in a few days time or if you're listening to this in 2021 then um it's been gone and you're probably laughing at us because we got it all wrong but it's november the 10th 2020 that's when it's happening and based on how long this podcast is you'll probably be editing it until november the 12th probably the apple event's probably already started actually sweeping at it so long anyway i think what we need to do is uh we're going to watch that event together we'll get our thoughts together and we'll put together another podcast which will be again another special episode or some sort of video of course we're under lockdown at the moment so we can't go into the studio to film anything so i have to be done like this um so we'll figure that out and um something will be up next week amongst other content that is also coming so uh hopefully you can join us for that i hope you've enjoyed our preview of the apple event and our thoughts on apple silicon and if you did enjoy it as i said before if uh if you care to subscribe to our channel on youtube so youtube.com constant geekery if you're not already watching just one click of that subscribe button gets us one subscriber closer to our 10 000 goal and we will appreciate it very much or you could choose not to subscribe at all and then probably a kitten will die somewhere painfully i've got i've got a bag of them i haven't i haven't really that was a joke that was a joke pete's like the biggest animal lover i know he's busy building his own zoo at home um so that's it for today hopefully we did enough to run a thumbs up or a like on whatever platform that you're watching us on uh thanks very much for your time we'll see you again on the constant geekery podcast cheerio you you put that delay in deliberately didn't you so i'm going to have to now chop that little bit out just making more editing work for me pete no that's my head do that on purpose right i'm gonna stop recording now i'm gonna have another whiskeywell guess what pete apple silicon is very nearly here yeah are you excited i am i am uh moist so welcome to episode six of the constant geekery podcast this is the special lockdown edition uh because here in the uk we are now locked down i i can't be in the same room as pete anymore uh which is fine i'm okay with that i'm okay with that pete yeah some would consider that a benefit but for both of us so uh here we are miles apart um but you know we're here together in spirit for you excellent so uh this may be a little bit different to our ordinary podcast because uh we are uh obviously video conferencing over zoom so there's a slight delay which means we can't uh we can't be as witty and pithy and as quick to respond as we as we might normally do yeah it may almost be like we're coming across like two slightly senile old codges but i can assure you that is just the delay of zoom and absolutely nothing else and um yeah to help the speech along i'm going today with some liquid refreshment in the form of some tamnavolimpe um a bit of single malt whiskey there because it is the evening time here in in the evening time i like to have a glass of whiskey and i'm really pleased for you i have none of those things because i'm i'm a professional and i'm focused on uh being completely cognizant of what i'm saying for the podcast thanks for that so let's uh let's move on and uh and actually talk about something technical and our podcast today is uh all about apple's event now apple's event happens on the 10th of november and we're actually recording this on the 5th of november and it's important to let you know that because first of all we wanted to have enough time to to pull the pieces of the podcast together because this is obviously a new a new technique for us uh and also because fifth of november here in the uk is fireworks night so if you hear lots of explosions in the background uh it's not because we live in a really dodgy area and there's some kind of street war going on uh it's simply that people are letting off fireworks in their garden yeah it's not only that we live in the dodgy area it's probably more accurate to say um no we live in a lovely part of the world so we're very lucky there so for those of you that don't know fireworks night in the uk is what's called guy fawkes night and it commemorates someone trying to blow up uh the government of the time several hundred years ago so i'm not entirely sure why that is celebrated as a national uh day but there you go that's what we do in the uk apparently okay so let's move on and talk about uh what apple is doing in the us with their event which they've entitled one more thing and i think that's a nice throwback don't you pete yeah obviously that's that's harking back to steve jobs mention of launching something right at the end of the show when everyone thought that the show was wrapped up the event was wrapped up he did that legendary one more thing and uh we've loved it ever since we have an other people have borrowed that in fact i watched dr lisa do the same thing pretty much at the amd event last week so um nice anyway that they they chose that as the name and uh we're expecting the event to be of course about apple silicon but yeah there's a question attached to that well we don't know for certain uh but it is highly likely uh because we've we've received an email invite as an apple developer haven't we to to that event and that seems to indicate that's going to be the case yeah we don't get those invites for consumer events normally so an apple developer event sorry an apple developer invite would indicate uh an event for the mac there's something else as well pete if you tried the the ar so if you go on your iphone to the apple website and you tap on the event logo um you get a nice sort of ar easter egg come up which is an apple logo but it's it's clearly emulating the the lid of a notebook isn't it definitely yeah um that's clearly an easter egg uh for what we are to expect in this event one would hope i should think so the colors are displayed i don't know if you notice people they're the same colors that are used in the the desktop background for big sur yes i did notice that so again nice little subtle cues as to what we can expect at this event excellent so we're gonna we're just gonna run through some of the things that we think about the event and uh this should be our normal monday podcast going up on the 9th of november but there's every possibility we might just launch it a little bit earlier and we'll talk about that more at the end but let's get to the let's get to the main question here is if there are going to be new apple macs this new apple hardware what hardware should we expect um yeah and that's that's a good question i think we're both of the view that we're probably not expecting a full lineup of uh of machines at this point perhaps one maybe two what would your call be on what to expect then uh well i think it's a notebook i don't think there's any doubt about that um given all the leaks that we've had and of course that ar augmented reality easter egg that we had that's clearly a laptop now of course the you know apple have updated the intel macbooks over this year but um i think there's a good reason why we might see a 13-inch macbook but let's just let's just run through the possible uh scenarios and we'll probably answer that question i just wanted to say though i saw a um i saw an article in the nikkei if that's how you say asian review where they think that apple is planning to produce two and a half million macbooks with apple silicon uh by the end of february 2021. just to put that in context um they shipped 12 and a half million macbooks in the whole of 2019 so this is quite ambitious over the period of what two two and a half months to to ship or not to ship but to produce two and a half million macbooks in that time yeah it's incredible incredible so let's just run through the potential form factors what are we expecting okay well i think it's a given that they're going to want to get some kind of fanless macbook like the the 12-inch macbook of of past into the lineup i think that's really really really likely you know something where they perhaps tone down the power on the first outing so they've got something to save for the next generation or maybe another announcement and have something that really has phenomenal battery life that would be my first call yeah i think that's uh that's a pretty good shout actually um but i think it would be probably in the macbook air chassis rather than yeah if you remember that 12 inch macbook it didn't have thunderbolt you had just one usbc port the macbook air itself might as well be fanless for all the good the fan that's in it does i mean it's not really connected in any meaningful way to the cpu so i'm thinking i think you're probably right there but i think it might be in the macbook a revision of the macbook air and it's this this battery life thing you know they they made a big thing about all-day battery life and the macbook air currently provides that i think it's uh is it 11 hours or something it is which is all day for most people right so imagine the coup if they can say two-day battery life i mean we said this back in june when we reviewed the the uh announcement event um if they can launch something with two-day battery life consumers will lap that up long battery life that's going to sell laptops no problem but what about something more pro what do you reckon pete yeah well i think that's that's that's likely um i mean just like the macbook pro um 13-inch that we have at the moment isn't a true pro machine i think that we could see the equivalent of a macbook pro 13 using the new silicon and the reason for that is we already know that the existing apple silicon in the a12x will outperform the top of the range 13-inch macbook pro um so we are actually talking about something as i think about that is worthy of that pro moniker especially if it has enough ports um but it would be lovely to see that and a fanless design to cover all the bases that would be amazing especially if it had great battery life too yeah so i think that's uh those are good shouts um just to be clear you know we'll talk about the specifics of the silicon in a bit but you take the a12x or a12z depending on where you live um that chip certainly is more powerful in multi-core performance and single core performance than the top of the range quad-core i7 that you can spec in the 13-inch macbook pro yeah and it also outperforms the iris plus graphics as well so and the a14 chip takes out on a step so again we'll come back to the specifics of the silicon in a bit but you'll have this situation where if they don't do it even if they just put something equivalent to the a14 chip in the macbook air they're already going to have a situation where the macbook air is outperforming the macbook 13-inch macbook pro in a lot of cases bear in mind that many people who buy the 13-inch macbook pro don't expect that top processor yeah in fact i would say very few do so it won't fit within the lineup if they don't do it so i think they have to do a 13-inch macbook pro yeah i agree with you and i think they'd be crazy not to showcase the power um that's the potential there because you know we've been hanging on for this ever since it was announced at wwdc and we know there's a long roll out program over potentially a few years before we get the you know the serious high-end machines they they're going to want to drip feed it but they don't want to give us too little they're going to want to give us a real taste of the power that's potentially out there in this new um new silicon yeah so what about a macbook pro 16 inch uh well there are some people thinking that we'll see one at this event and it's a hard one to call it depends how good apple silicon is um it's gonna have to be going some to beat the top specs on the the top end 16-inch models um i suppose it's possible it could sit alongside an entry spec machine but in light of what we've just said that seems less plausible i think that uh well i think the silicon could easily be good enough to to match the six core i7 that's in the 16 inch i think it's not out of the realms a possibility that it could compete with the eight core i9 that you can spec but the key here is that the 13-inch macbook pro if they make that with apple silicon and a decent performer it's going to get so close to the performance of the 16-inch model and in some cases beating out the 16-inch model although possibly not on graphics that it would give people pause for thought if they're looking to buy one of these things so here's what i think lots of people are saying that these are the three laptops we're gonna get uh lots of rumors saying that 13-inch macbook air 13-inch macbook pro and a 16-inch macbook pro but i wonder if that might be the case and the 16-inch macbook pro is an announcement but not immediately available okay yeah so so it ships sometime in the future which like we have been seeing that haven't we've seen this will be available at the end of this week and this will be available well actually there's some there's some new products available from tomorrow um as we record this the 6th of november from memory so um it could be a phase rollout or they could be doing what intel are doing and announcing things that aren't going to come around for another six months yeah let's let's not open that kind of worms um yeah that's not too but let's move on then away from notebook form factor another possibility is the imac 24 what do you think about this uh well the smaller i'm at the 21 inch hasn't been updated in a while has it so it is possible uh there is some talk about just making the so keeping the same essential form factor but making the bezel smaller to get that 24 inch screen um i could see in line with everything else that we've been seeing and the fact that apple haven't upgraded the baby imac i could see this being credible um but again maybe not available immediately but i wouldn't be surprised if we get a peek of what that looks like yeah that would be nice to see um i i feel again that the issue they've got is if they put these apple silicon chips into the imac 24 it's gonna outperform most of the 27-inch lineup and you end up with this this weirdness i mean it's gonna be very apple love to control pricing then everything is very carefully thought out and they control the pricing so that you're you're pushed up to the next model and it's going to be very difficult for them to do that when they've got you know consumer grade machines that are effectively getting very close if not past the performance of the more expensive more professional grade machines yeah and i suppose it would seem odd if you've got this what's going to be a pretty incredible 24-inch imac and actually quite attractive that that size i think will be quite attractive for a lot of people because the the 21 inch looks quite small now with bigger screens coming along that it used to look massive but these days it looks quite tweet and little um it's just not going to sit right if you've got this amazing 24 inch machine and you've still got the the the 27 inch imac as it stands at the moment so maybe it is something they'll either hold in the bag or we could take it the other way and maybe we'll get a whole new imac lineup but i think that's less likely i think if that was to be the case we'd probably be seeing something maybe in quarter two of 2021 yeah so to tie in with next year's wwdc that's what i would expect and uh there's also the the mac mini so i think that's possible i mean it hasn't been updated properly in a little while has it um i i think it would make more sense for desktop machines to come at a separate event you know have an event that focuses now on the notebooks and you know because i think they're they're at a point with the silicon where it's ideal for notebooks but they've probably got a little way there's a room for improvement for the desktop machines and there are some really intriguing rumors at the moment of a a desktop machine that looks like the mac pro that is smaller yeah and that would be a lovely design to see that would be really nice um i've actually got a question for you just your thoughts on this a bit of a curveball with all this new apple silicon based machines do you think we are gonna essentially see we talked about a machine being in the macbook air chassis do you think we're going to see the same chassis used for the apple silicon or do you think there's going to be some visual differentiators so that people who've become early adopters particularly can show off their apple silicon to those who notice it um i think uh well there's a there's the possibility of new form factors but i i don't think they'll be specifically different because it's apple silicon i think apple has a standard design language and i you know they're just creating machines for that design language i feel that at the moment the the mac mini doesn't really fit within that so i like the idea of a of a mac pro i don't like the idea of the potential pricing that would go with that but nonetheless there's there's no need for the designs to be different if you put these um these apple silicone chips i'm i'm avoiding using the term arm processors you know we need to be clear here for for folks watching at home that um if you haven't watched any of our other videos yes they are arm processors in the sense that they use the arm architecture and instruction set but they are very bespoke and customized by apple they're not it's not a standard arm design so you can't really think of them absolutely you know just to call them an arm chip doesn't really work they don't need as much cooling though even even so because you know we've seen them in the ipads and they don't have fans so it doesn't need a massive case like the mac pro no unless you're putting adding cards in and and various other things so that's a very long-winded answer to your question and the simple answer is i don't know i don't think apple are specifically looking to um to do designs at this point in time for the to help you stand out from the crowd i think uh i think maybe that would come in a couple of years time when they're starting to back away from intel but i there is the question of you know will there be another intel mac at this event um well tim cook at wwdc did say that there would be more intel machines but of course we have had more intel machines so it's a question of is it just there's only been one isn't that pete unless i've got this wrong i i think it was only the since wwdc it's only been the imac 27 inch that's been updated and it was a reasonable update i mean they changed some of the internals didn't they and brought in the 10th gen intel processors but i can't think of any other machines that we've had since then yeah we did a video on that imac and it is a very good machine but you're right tim did if i recall correctly used the plural and we have only seen the one so that does seem likely that we will see some more intel machines along the way but that kind of takes me back to my point about visual differentiation i wonder if i agree with you i don't think we're going to see chassis differences but i wonder if there's going to be small indicators that indicate that you you've got something a bit different maybe the color of the apple logo on the back or some subtle indication that you've got something a bit more special a bit different because i think people do like that badge of honor especially the early adopters and i think apple will definitely recognize that so i'd be expecting some kind of small visual differentiator for the apple silicon powered stuff maybe a nice sticker like the intel inside ones used to have i think what would be nice is if they lit up the apple logo again on the the lid of the laptop that would be good well the battery power will be there for it so why not yeah i think it always just use the um it always use the screen backlight didn't it so i don't think it took any it wasn't a separate light anyway um we've got a huge a huge page of notes for this and um let's move it on let's talk about the new silicon so apple silicon what is it not p it is not it is not an ipad chip right and i i think it's really important to say this because when and at least i really hope that we're not proven wrong with this but when apple announced this for wwdc they said they were producing max specific silicon and they will have to do something different anyway for the feature set of mac os and there is the situation at the moment the developer kit which has the a12z cpu doesn't support everything for example it can't do virtualization so no developers have been able to do that so let's just um let's just be very clear about what it is however it is certainly going to be based on the same underpinnings as the a14 bionic chip that has recently been released in the ipad air and the iphone 12 and that uses tsmc which is a a foundry that makes the the chips for apple and they are using their five nanometer process on these chips and that's uh if you're not massively technically minded that's a that's a good thing so how does it differ from the ipad chip that's the question well i think well not i think it's going to have to have additional cpu and gpu calls to be capable of doing what needs to be done and i think it's important you know we've said it's not just an ipad chip but we have been basing some of our evaluations on that because that's the closest thing we have and it is it's using that same five nanometer process um those benchmarks that we've looked at help us to see what's possible with less cpu cores um that that's the key isn't it we did a video on that yeah we did and so just a very brief recap you're talking about that existing ipad chip has single core performance that's better than pretty much anything that's on the market from amd and intel at the moment for consumers uh when it comes to multi-core performance it's you know it's very good um it's not as it's not up to the to the top level yet of those ipad pro chips but that's simply down to the number of cores so i would expect the max pacific apple silicon will have those additional cores i think it's a six core in the ipad air i'd expect it to be at least an eight core and then it is probably going to have additional gpu performance but as it is the a14 bionic outperforms again any kind of integrated gpu that's on offer from amd or intel it's very quick and if apple added additional gpu cores we we felt that it would be perfectly possible for them to be getting up to kind of radion pro 560 performance which was you know one of the top graphics cards in the 15-inch macbook pro only a year ago just over a year ago so that that's where it could be um how will we differentiate it though from these ipad chips do you think pete well i think we do need to differentiate it because so many people are almost mocking the fact it's just an ipad chip and a laptop and as we've established no this is going to be a lot more than that but it can take advantage of the better thermal properties that a laptop can afford it a notebook can afford it than an ipad again we don't know what that's going to be but you know the current chips have got the prefix of a maybe these have a prefix of m for mac you know so you have an m14 um who knows we'll have to see and maybe maybe they'll differentiate that the performance of those depending you might have an m14 x and an m14 z or z depending on where you are have to wait and see yeah i think that'll be a good idea and i'm just hoping that it's it does come with that support for virtualization um for developers you know particularly for us and people who don't don't watch the channel regularly uh pete and i own a web studio so we do software development and web development so our developers are interested in running virtual machines and that's how they get their work done you can't do that on an ipad chip that just isn't a it doesn't have that capability so i'm hoping they're going to introduce that for mac uh the indications is that they are so and there are other things that are missing as well you know like avx support so um without getting into air too deep here you know uh some audio plugins that professionals use would require that avx support the intel chips can provide but apple silicon can't at the moment so there are still things where apple silicon can't cover all bases yet so we'll see how all of that goes anything else that we might expect from a hardware point of view or well i would like to see whether we can expect i think we probably can expect at least some teasers on the development of the gpus and some perhaps some clarity around apple's future plans for gpus and egpu support as well yeah so i i'd be very keen on finding out about egpu support i is there any reason why we can't have these things with apple silicon there's no technical reason no i can't think of one um and i think you know as we'll talk about this gpu in a moment uh it's uh it's still going to take a while for apple to to get close to the kind of graphics cards that are available you know amd have just launched their new uh architecture and new graphics cards nvidia have just launched theirs not that apple use nvidia that's another story for another day but certainly there's a lot of gpu horsepower that people can put in a mac pro at the moment um if apple want to move people across to apple silicon surely they'll have to support dedicated gpus in some way and it would be really great if we could still have egpu support you know i like the smaller notebook as you know i don't get on with a bigger one i've tried it it just doesn't work for me so i like to have a smaller notebook that i can plug into my egpu and still do editing work on and various other things so please apple let's hope please however what about these rumors pete you're talking about the rumors about apple this is the old delays kicking in a bit here apple were rumored to be working on a dedicated gpu yeah do we do we think that's like so uh i think it is it has to be the case but it has to be the case the question is will it be any good do you think well i've been having an interesting bit of dialogue actually with uh with a commenter on the the youtube channel so um if you're not listening to us on youtube then it's youtube.com forward slash constant geekery if you'd like to check us out there and join in with the comments um interesting chat anyway um about this but apple by all accounts have been quietly poaching people from their competitors the likes of amd imagination technologies um i don't know who else but i've certainly seen rumors about those two companies and these rumors they go right back to 2014. so by all accounts apple have got a gpu team based in orlando and i've actually seen job adverts on linkedin for gpu staff gpu engineers to work in orlando for apple so i don't think those are faked so i i believe that that's likely to have happened and these these guys are not sat there twiddling their thumbs are they they've been there for six years at least so they must be working on something i think they've already shown what they can do with a system on chip and you know that's a limited it limits how much they can do with the graphics imagine if they can get outside of the constraints of that system on chip and build a dedicated gpu although that said one of the things that apple's been speaking about with developers is the benefits of using a gpu that's integrated on in a system on chip so i'm i'm not com i'm not convinced either way i i think that the role for a dedicated gpu will be in addition to the integrated gpu that's on apple silicon and it will perform some additional heavy lifting work so i i don't think it'd be quite the same as the relationship we have at the moment like in your macbook pro 16-inch for example pete you've got your intel onboard graphics and then you've got your 5300 in but it switches from one to the other doesn't it it doesn't use them both in conjunction yeah so i i think a dedicated gpu from apple will have to augment this whole um system on chip idea and the apple silicon idea so i've been talking a lot but that that's kind of what i think how close yeah i think well i i just wanted to reinforce that apple philosophy about how they they use pieces of hardware to accelerate certain things like it's the t2 chip isn't it that does certain things when you're rendering uh video if you have that available so apple are very much about you know making use of additional stuff when the task requires it and we did a video recently about real world performance and how often when you're working in excel or word you don't need that extra performance so i could see a dedicated gpu from apple just you know being there when you need it but i think it's probably some way off yet um because apple will want to get that right and they will want to make it another sucker punch to others out there but it's definitely the missing piece to complete apple's puzzle if you like of moving away from other vendors um hardware and silicon for for their machines yeah i completely agree with that and the thing is of course they've got the money to do it and apple have shown you know i don't we said this before we don't agree with their their business morals and ethics and all the rest of it i think apple would be perfectly happy with total global domination i don't know whether tim cook's got a personal fancy for swivel chairs and white cats to stroke and that sort of global domination i don't know but i think if they can do it they would do it and i think only a fool would bet against them yeah i agree good so um let's sort of sum up this part then what do we think what do we think is coming tomorrow let's make some predictions put the next on the block pete what do we think is coming uh not tomorrow well it could be tomorrow it depends when we launch the podcast for the apple event on the whatever it is of november ted thank you 10th of november i'm going to go with two 13-inch laptops one consumer focused and a long battery life and then something with more focus on performance and i'm also going to go and say one will be available maybe immediately and the other one might be in in a few weeks time but again i wouldn't be surprised if it's available in time for christmas yeah i think there's a potential for another machine but again possibly not immediately available and obviously this is gonna this is gonna really suck for me because i've i've put it out there that i'm gonna buy one of these machines as soon as possible so i'm really hoping that i don't end up having to buy the the third you know the the one that nobody really wants because i got to get it quick enough uh because unfortunately we are in this uh situation where you know we're making videos at the moment for youtube and just uh so people on youtube can understand the economics of doing this uh pete and i are in this rather privileged position where we're kind of semi-retired from from our business and we're able to invest our money in building a youtube channel but if you added up all the money that we earned from ad revenue sponsorships and everything else to this to this point in time versus what we spent on equipment and time getting this together then i think it's fair to say that we are very severely in the red are we not pete uh yeah that that's definitely the case it's definitely at the moment a passion project um hopefully you can see how passionate we are about it but yeah having to then go out and buy apple silicon uh for the channel we we want to we want to make sure it's the good one but i'm i'm confident that those we you know we get some lovely comments on this channel i'm confident that people will be really pleased that we we go out and do that for them even if we do get let's be honest no apple silicone machine is going to be a turd it might just be a lesser lesser machine than you choose but you know we'll see we'll see what we can do good well we're certainly um if everything's available to order straight away we'll get straight on that and we'll we'll video our decision making process and everything else and our idea is to get something in so that we can get testing straight away so that's why i hope that we're going to get something with reasonable performance and obviously it's time critical to get the views on youtube and we'd like to get to 10 000 subscribers by the end of the year i think as of recording today we're on about 6 300 and a bit so um if you feel if you're feeling kind and rightly disposed towards it then uh head on over to youtube and hit the subscribe button we really appreciate it anyway plug over let's move on to some software announcements what software announcements are we going to get i mean there's there's one obvious one isn't there go on launch of big sur so that will be available for downloading it for for everybody yeah yeah that's a that's a no-brainer really isn't it um but on on top of that um hopefully they will have dealt with the battery icon by then as well um oh that's already fixed actually oh is it yeah they already changed that didn't keep up with that one the uh the baby bottle feed have a look back at that if you want to laugh um but obviously with apple silicon being what we think is going to be the focus of this then i i fully expect that apple's applications will have a native apple silicon binary at that point so that's things like final cut pro logic pro xcode and some of their consumer apps that you natively get with mac os so um anything i've never seen that's no i think that's reasonable to expect um whether they'll they'll do every single one of their apps it's another question because i suspect some of them are quite lightweight and will run through rosetta so they'll get translated who knows i think third-party apps that's something they're going to need to feature i mean everyone expects that apple are going to update final cut pro or logic or any of these others but third-party app support at launch and they did mention two contenders at the the june event didn't they yeah they did uh so we got the uh adobe adobe are working on uh their creative suite and providing an apple apple silicon supported version of that and obviously microsoft and office 365 um that's going to help shift entry level devices and actually i did read an article that came out today that the latest version of excel the latest beta version of excel which you can get an early preview of if you signed up to that program with microsoft does have uh apple silicon support in it so it's a it's already there but they did say that tim cook said it or somebody said anyway at that event that they'd been working already with adobe and microsoft and a couple of others as well prior to opening up development support for everybody so uh i think those things are obviously incredibly important for creative professionals uh incredibly important for the business market office 365. um i think as well there might be some preferred smaller developers who might have received additional support i'm thinking the likes of serif who make affinity photo and affinity designer which are brilliant apps i'm just going to put a plug in for serif not that we're sponsored by them in any way whatsoever but we moved our web studio away from adobe and we use serifs products instead and uh that's not been a decision we've regretted so very good apple apple have um worked with you know they featured serif before so i i think that's just one example of a kind of preferred smaller developer that might have received some additional support uh something i'm personally hoping for of course is that um davinci resolve will be available in an apple silicon version um we'll see you keep banging that drum i i've got to be honest it's working really well for me i know you know everyone has their own favorite but since i moved from final cut to davinci i've found that i've just found life is better in the video editing world anything else any other types of apps well we've talked about gpus and that um apple are going to want to prove the ability of its gpu so i think there's going to be there's going to be some focus on some game titles now apple have never focused on what we would call serious gaming they're much more about the casual gamer um but that doesn't mean that the casual gamer wants you know an inferior experience when when they're playing their games so i think there might be some game titles out there that that will be credible to play yeah i agree with that and again you know we get some comments on this we're not talking here at all about super massive frame rates in 4k on the latest aaa titles with all the settings set to ultra that's not what we're talking about here we're just talking about casual games that look good the kind of games that you would have played five years ago you know and they will look as good as they did then you know i mean you already look at the um ipad games and their console quality aren't they they're not next gen console quality but they you know it still looks good and i apple wants that casual gaming market they've launched apple arcade so they are interested in gaming but they're not they're not going after the kind of user that's going to build a custom liquid cool pc and run steam that's not their target market no and they do know their market they know their customer and uh that those customers will not have a bit of casual gaming so they want that to be a good experience and they want that subscription dollar as well don't they pete yeah which leads nicely into what i think we might also have an update on which is the apple one subscription status because we know that's coming before the end of the year uh so it may be maybe that we hear more on that at this point yeah okay so this is just the they announced this at the watch event didn't they so it's a combined one you know one stop subscription for all of the apple services with a few different pricing levels we're not going to get into detail on that now so here's the question that lots of people are asking pete and i'm interested to see how you would answer these two questions in fact okay apple silicon apple silicon max is it just an ipad in a macbook frog and are apple trying to deviously merge ios with mac os no and no good um that's my answers would you like me to to sort of elucidate on that a little bit um macbook is it's it's for a different again it goes back to who who your target customer is macbook users generally are a different type of user to ipad users now i know you've used an ipad for several weeks when you have no choice to do your day-to-day work and you can do it um and that's the ipad's credit but i would never want to replace my macbook pro at this point with an ipad there's too many things that this does that i could never get on with an ipad through choice apple know that so they're not just going to redress something and they're not going to try and merge mac os with ios because if they did that and if they did just try and dress up an ipad in a macbook body they're going to lose customers because that's not what what those customers want they're different um so i suspect it'll be a combination much like it is now that's what i think they're trying to do yeah i agree with you i think that you know there are people who who are concerned that they think one of the things apple's trying to do is to force uh apps to go through their mac store like like on you know on your ipad or your iphone you've got to go to the app store to download your apps people are worried that they'll do the same thing on mac i'm gonna just say yes apple would absolutely love that i don't think it's in their interest to do it and i don't think they will do it i think they will encourage developers to distribute apps via their app store but they won't make that a something that they have to do what about the idea of being able to run ios apps ios apps on mac os you know a lot of people have are rubbishing that as a well you know why would you ever want to do that and they think that it's just going to stifle development because developers won't bother spending the time to build a proper mac os version of their software because their ipad version already runs for example i i don't think it will i understand the argument but if you've gone to the hard work of making an ios version of something or a mac os version of something why would you not then i suppose going from ios to mac os is probably the better example why would you not go to the extra effort of taking advantages of the features and the power that mac os and the the hardware is going to give you it i think it will actually encourage um more development yeah because most of the heavy lifting is already done they're not having to rewrite the the app you know it's uh and i think that that will do the opposite i'm yeah i totally agree with you i gotta say at this point you know people who are making jokes about uh ipad chips you know those jokes are getting pretty old and they they seem a little bit uh disingenuous dare i say even stupid now because it's been proven beyond you know any doubt that apple's chips are good performers that's not in question anymore i think there is still you know a sort of there's an area of consumers who don't understand what apple are trying to do because they're so in the pc mindset you know of super fast cpu super fast gpu uh that they can't understand this other approach to computing and they're afraid of what they don't know and so they they rubbish it i think there are other people who you know for and just cannot conceive of being able to buy into apple's ecosystem i'm sure that's true of a lot of people around the world you know these computers are fantastically expensive really when you think about it um and so as a result of that you know it's something they can't have so they attack it um and i think that that's where a lot of this stuff comes from i i i'm hoping i you know i'm prepared to be wrong on this but i'm just hoping that apple pleasantly surprises everybody next week by showing what they've been thinking about you know all of the things that we've spoken about in various videos since that announcement um i'd like to see apple come good on all of that stuff and and deliver a genuine step change to computing um you know something that hasn't happened for a very long time um yeah the the performance of these chips is unquestionable at this point we're seeing it and the computer science that we're seeing being applied to this is actually refreshing it does remind me of the earlier days of computing when understanding how different parts of the machine worked well together and optimizing just making things as efficient as possible was a thing and i completely agree with you yes apple machines apple devices are eye-wateringly expensive depending on where you are in the world that they can be unobtainable um and i think that puts people off but um equally if you don't understand what apple are trying to do with system on chips with the whole concept of apple silicon you just think about meaty cpu beauty gpu then yeah it's going to bypass you and that that can make you then want to cause it to be the butt jokes but i think next week when we see this stuff running and when it gets out into the wild i think there will still be detractors because they don't want to understand it and they'll just point at raw figures as opposed to the experience it gives you but i think we're about to see a seismic change in computing yeah i agree with you good well what about other products uh i mean i've i've thought of two possibles airpods studio and air tags any thoughts do we are we gonna see those next week well i predicted we would at the the last event and i did end up with egg on my face thinking about it um i don't think we will i think we'll probably be waiting to next year i think in fact i think uh certainly with their tags i think they did say they would be delayed till next year but also this is very much there is a consumer element to this event but developers have been invited i think airpod studio and their tags would make more sense an out and out consumer event rather than than this event yeah i agree with that so i think next year and i'm hoping at the same event we might get a new ipad pro as well but that's that's another discussion for another day now i suspect that during this event we are going to have to sit through apple celebrating itself as it always does talk about how the mac has changed the world in some way and probably a whole bunch of environmental commentary as well and yeah i just want to call apple out on this and i want to come back to the to the iphone 12. that recent event um we've we've had comments and you know we we spoke about this in a previous podcast um they are not including a charger in the box with the iphone 12. and the whole bunch of they claim they claim for environmental reasons because everyone's got one right so here's the question why include a usbc to lightning cable in the box if you're expecting everyone to use their existing iphone charger which has a usb a port on it which won't fit the old charger well i've had i've had varying comments on this pete and one of the ones that keeps coming up is well it it's usbc supports power delivery which is that's absolutely true it does the usbc standard supports uh sending power 100 watts over that connection yeah but the lightning plug at the other end doesn't that's it it's got a lightning plug at the other end so um apple's fast charger is 18 watts okay now in fairness that is higher than usb type a can support now technically i believe and someone will no doubt correct me if i'm wrong but i believe type a can support 15 watts but it's unusual to see charges at that level most people would have a 12 watt charger which equates to 2.4 amps and indeed apple have one of those which is the ipad charger the old ipad charger if you use one of those it's actually not that much slower to get to a full charge than the fast charger is now i will just say the fast charger gets to that you know it does that initial bit of charging up to 50 very quickly but it slows right down after that so it's not actually a huge amount of difference so a lot of people then just turn around and say well okay they put the wrong cable in the box but that doesn't mean that they're not doing this for good environmental reasons you can just use your old cable right no fast charging well this is it then you you lose this fast charging excitement that apple's talking about here's what i think right it's designed to get the customer thinking about charges oh there's no charger in the box i've now got i've now got to think about this because apple aren't supplying a charger and let's face it do you use the iphone charger have you ever used an iphone charger that came with the box not in recent years no which you know probably supports the argument for it being an environmental step to take it out of the box i personally leave mine in its packaging when i sell the iphone on after i finish with it someone gets a fresh plug the reason i don't use it is because it's a one amp charger and it takes too long so i've got a faster solution but anyway customer the average customer may not think that way they go into the apple store they pick up their phone but they're told oh there's no charger in the box and now they've got a think about charger conveniently conveniently apple has on the shelf a fast usbc charger which will work with the supplied cable in the box uh or does it yeah it does and all you can go with this new magsafe wireless charger which is not necessary incidentally because the iphone will still work with existing wireless charging pads so apple have created a new wireless charging system which will cause people to perhaps think they need that instead of using their existing wireless charging pad that they might have bought from you know mophie or whatever so the consumers they're thinking about charges because there isn't a charger in the box and now they're they're going to upgrade on and they're either going to buy that fast charger or they're going to buy the um the magsafe charger yeah neither of which is an environmental step forward is it not yet no definitely not and um you don't get fast charging with a wireless charger either it's only seven and a half watts isn't it yeah so um you lose out on both counts basically it's a master stroke of positioning um one might say to to sell more stuff to um yeah put more money in apple's wallet yeah and when we've said that in the past we've been lambasted for that but you know we do do a little bit of uh marketing pete and i in our in our professional careers just just a little bit of just a little bit of marketing so we understand how these things go uh if you feel a little bit confused by the discussion we just had well that's exactly the point you confuse the customers then you're likely to get a sale because the customer is there in the apple shop and it's like oh well i know one of these is going to work so therefore i'll buy it and there's another great little sales tool that they're using here which is give someone a choice of two things if you present someone with a choice of two things they're going to choose one of those things most consumers are not going to go oh no i'll choose the third option that you haven't presented to me which is not buy a charger at all so i'm sure some consumers will do that but i think you know the average joe walking in off the street buying an iphone is probably still going to buy a charger to go with it which means extra money for apple and doesn't help at least immediately with the environmental concern it will help the environment the next strand well unless they change you know they come up with a new connection technology that we have yet to see um it i was impressed at first and i have to say apple are doing their thing for the supply chain and that so we're not completely lambasting all of apple's environmental efforts but the charger one just stuck it stood out to us as i bet there's a spreadsheet or a numbers sheet do you think apple uses internally numbers or excel who knows but there's a sheet somewhere that's done the projections of how much how much they're going to make from exactly the choice you just said on on charging accessories yeah i'm sure that's the case and the reason why we're bringing this sorry the reason why we're bringing this up is because of course magsafe was originally the charging standard for or it was the name given to the charger for the macbooks and i'm just i'm just kind of hoping pete i don't think this is likely but i'm just hoping apple doesn't do something stupid like remove usb-c charging from the macbook range and replace it with some magsafe proprietary type of charger now you've said that you know that's exactly what we're going to find out about isn't it that's going to be the differentiator there is going to be there's going to be no ports on these new new machines whatsoever they're going to be completely sealed and everything's going to be done through a magnet okay so speaking of magnets hyperbole yeah let's move on because i know how much you love magnets pete and you got all excited when you saw all men love magnets i i do like magnets but i'm i wasn't quite as excited as you to see the apple wallet for example and um we've seen quite an amusing review of this on mac rumors on youtube didn't we it's brilliant it's brilliant so just just for those that aren't aware the the new ma apple wallet is a it's a piece of leather with a magnet in it that if you have one of the the new iphones will snap onto the back of it and carry your cards around uh but it only holds three cards now just out of interest well let me let me ask you a couple of questions for us so it's very tight so if you've got three cards in there it's really difficult to get the cards out there's a technique to it which then makes you wonder well what happens if i only have one in it is it going to just kind of fall out but three cards just not my microphone three cards so let me ask you as a businessman how many cards do you have to carry dave right well i knew you were going to ask me this um so i've pre-prepared i'm not going to get my wallet out now and nine is the answer to that and that may seem a little bit extreme but we've got uh or i've got i'm part of three companies so i have a payment card for each of those companies for one of them i've got a credit card as well plus i have my personal bank cards joint account personal account a couple of credit cards so yeah nine uh so i would need plus you're driving plus my driving license and yeah other id as well so i probably need four apple wallets and presumably four iphones to attach them to yeah i'm being facetious i i don't think you know apple designed this with the idea that this was going to replace a conventional wallet i think it's a you know it's just a place to carry a few cards so you know but still i i think make sure some people agree yeah although i know some people in the comments are going to use apple pay now i've just got a couple of cards what you do guys walking around with loads of cards for so i'm sure we'll get lambasted from it and we are we are being a little bit facetious about this but um what cards have magnetic strips on them don't they i do we don't use them very much anymore in fairness do we we use the chip more or contactless yeah but there are old atms that still use the magnetic strip reader and certain devices as a backup i'm pretty sure it's not a good idea to have a strong magnet near a magnetic strip that holds data you want to keep no it's probably well i was always told not to do that i mean i i can remember back to year old days of uh cassette tapes and magnets and how easy it was to destroy a recording um i actually destroyed the television once with a magnet in a massive celestial speaker so i put it unbeknownst to me next to a television and it kind of just shifted a whole load of colors and it was not a winner no ruins them yeah it's a that's a good shout and um i can tell you that on my nine cards because i know the apple card you know which is only available in the states but that doesn't have a magnetic strike at least i don't think it does um but i can tell you every single one of the nine cards i've got in my wallet has a magnetic stripe on it so i wouldn't be putting them into a wallet that has a strong magnet for sure maybe it's maybe it's something that's more common in the uk i don't know have to have to ask our listeners in the states to tell us have you got magnetic strips on the back of your cards how about charging the phone wirelessly using your new magsafe charger which you bought at the apple store because you were confused and you didn't know what to buy can you charge your phone whilst you've got your wallet on no you can't so you have to take it off and here's the absolute best bit and this is where so if you can imagine an iphone with this wallet attached to the back of it and someone putting that into their jeans pocket which um macro has demonstrated very well in their video and what happens is the jeans pocket slides between the iphone and the wallet the phone goes in the pocket the wallet goes on the floor um i just i cannot understand how a company that prides itself on industrial design and testing and quality and can make such an enormous gaffe it's wallet gate isn't it it's you know what's going to happen it's going to be you're putting it in your pocket wrong yeah it's so is it so is and that's um that's 59 pounds in the uk for that little um slither of leather and so my recommendation to you is um is get a bellroy so again we're not sponsored by bellroy but i i have a bellroy wallet it's gotta be five years old it carries my nine cards plus associated id and various other bits and bobs and it's really quite thin it's not too bulky very nicely designed things so for that kind of money very rarely opened as well very dust comes out a few moths might might fly out if i dare to open it anyway moving on the reason why we bring these things up is because we're desperately hoping that apple doesn't have any gaffs this time you know don't go waxing lyrical about your environmental credentials and then put the wrong cable in the box and under undo all of your work or you know be seen very you know very publicly to be so anti the repair and reuse movement you know so you're you're ending up yeah okay you're recycling machines but that's kind of the last step of the process we'd like to be able to repair them first apple definitely doesn't want anybody doing that um and it wouldn't be the first time either that they've done a a product design gaff in the mac world would it be no is there any particular device you're kind of hoping that maybe apple will redesign yeah um this so pete for the listeners yeah pete's holding magic i'm holding i'm holding up a magic mouse obviously if you're watching on youtube you can see me holding up my beloved magic mouse which is a lovely thing except when you want to come to charge it it's just it's awkward it's you know it it reminds me of i'm holding up my apple pencil 2 now which is a again that's a brilliant thing you just snap it on it to the ipad and it charges away but with the magic mouse you have to plug it in with the lightning cable in a very awkward way which can scratch the mouse and it's not great at all so a magic mouse that has some sophisticated way of charging that perhaps can be done on a regular basis like the apple pencil too for your ipad would be so much better it would yeah a wireless charging system or at least uh i'm i'm now holding up a magic mouse uh there's the charging the lightning charging port as you can see it's on the bottom of the mouse which prevents you from using the mouse whilst you're charging it if you've never seen that before ridiculous design when it could have been on the front or the back or somewhere like that not well thought out at all the apple pencil one is another great example where of course they have fixed that now with pencil too but there are still ipads that only support pencil one so it's still a current product and the way of charging that is if you haven't lost the minuscule little adapter they provide is that you plug it into the bottom of your ipad like a like some kind of phallic appendage which is it's not a winner is it it's not favorite so please apple fix these things uh i actually don't care about the mouse anymore because of because in fact this is a classic example of how apple make money right because of that stupid mouse design and before anybody again hits us up in the comments section yes we know you've only got to plug it in for 5-10 minutes and you get you know an hour's use out of it or something but still that inconvenience right at the moment when you're trying to hit a deadline or something like that it's not it's what caused me it's what caused me to move over to the track pad um so i i now have three track pads three different track pads for different machines in different places um and they cost i don't know what they cost but anyway because apple designed a crappy mouse i've bought three of their i've rewarded them by buying three of their track pads and completely changing the world and thereby you are actually happy helping the real apple wallet which is of course tim cook's pension fund oh wow he's he is getting quite low on on funds these days so yeah are they dipped back under two trillion dollars i don't know anyway i don't know i don't think they can buy any spare planets at the moment i think they're a bit short of buying a new planet i i think to be honest after this uh after the pandemic has finished and all the governments in the world have got no money left because they've been giving it to everybody then apple will step in and just sort of take over the world anyway when it comes to design mistakes our policy is if you make a mistake own it fix it move on so apple please fix the mouse please don't make any more silly mistakes please don't preach to us about the environment we want you to be environmentally friendly but you know we we don't believe you when you say that you are and then you do things that show that you're not so we're not idiots please do what it is that you're saying that you're doing anyway that's my my little rant over i shall climb back down off my soapbox uh so depending on when we decide to launch this video which will depend on when i get around to editing it so it may go up at the usual time four o'clock on a monday or i may put it up before that so the apple event is either tomorrow or it's in a few days time or if you're listening to this in 2021 then um it's been gone and you're probably laughing at us because we got it all wrong but it's november the 10th 2020 that's when it's happening and based on how long this podcast is you'll probably be editing it until november the 12th probably the apple event's probably already started actually sweeping at it so long anyway i think what we need to do is uh we're going to watch that event together we'll get our thoughts together and we'll put together another podcast which will be again another special episode or some sort of video of course we're under lockdown at the moment so we can't go into the studio to film anything so i have to be done like this um so we'll figure that out and um something will be up next week amongst other content that is also coming so uh hopefully you can join us for that i hope you've enjoyed our preview of the apple event and our thoughts on apple silicon and if you did enjoy it as 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