The Value Proposition of AMD Radeon Graphics Cards for Gaming

I really don't recommend it there over the Nvidia counterparts and what about the promise of 1080p gaming and 1440p gaming well you guys might remember these they shimmy in the monitor I've recommended in the past sort of discovered these from Korea and we've had these for years and years and years and generally these monitors have worked really well. I still use these, this is a 1440p 2560 by 1440 monitor 60 Hertz and I can say that the RX 580 lives up to its promise of good gaming experience on this display I think that overall the promise of good gaming at 1080p or 1440p these cards live up to it. I mean the Radeon, I mean it offers a good value for what it is you don't need to spend four or five hundred dollars or more on a graphics card for a good gaming experience unless you want you know an insane frame rate at 1440p or an exceedingly insane frame rate at 1080p but by and large most people are not gaming at that I mean a lot of monitors that are advertised that they're faster than 60 Hertz in reality the panel itself is not really faster than 60 Hertz you can see two frames at once and crazy stuff like that so even though these don't really work all that great in OEM systems if you're building a system you know an i-5 mill the road gaming system or a well balanced rig I still recommend these cards I think that the 570 and the 580 from AMD really honestly are the best value per dollar on the market for gaming for most games for just about anything else that's out there.

Personally, I'd probably go for the 580 because it's got more graphics memory and will push more resolutions and I really like gaming at the native resolution on the 1440p systems that that I've used so I kind of recommend that but if you've only got a 1080p display and you aren't planning on doing anything with VR or doing anything on anything like that honestly the 570 is fine. But I should be clear, the people that should upgrade are people that have really ancient graphics cards, I'm talking a graphics card that's more than three years old probably certainly more than two-and-a-half years old probably more than three years old really ancient Nvidia graphics really ancient AMD graphics maybe even the graphics card that came with your system as long as you know you don't have an OEM system where you know that it's going to work for a fact in your system now.

I should also mention Radeon chill, what Radeon chill does is a little different than framerate targeting we're like okay my graphics card can display 60 Hertz I'll turn vsync on the graphics cards only go to render 60 frames Radeon chill works a little different in that if there's user input it'll go ahead and render the frame so you can get more than 60 Hertz even if your display doesn't necessarily support 60 Hertz, so I mean ideally that means that it'll be best paired with a free sync display but if you're not doing anything on the screen or there's no user input then if there's no reason to draw a new frame the graphics card is not going to draw a new frame so that reduces heat production that reduces power usage maybe makes things a little bit more stable because of the reduced heat load both of these cards support the additional features that free sync brings to the table.

Free sync brings things like high dynamic range and a bunch of other really cool features that we should look for on upcoming monitors, both of these cards support free sync so overall what's the verdict? Well, like I was saying before I really think the red team has the better value proposition for cards around the $200 mark at this point if you're building a new system you really honestly should consider these cards I mean DirectX 12 support OpenCL the performance and raw teraflops I mean I really like these cards. The most disappointing thing is that you can't use them at an OEM system for an upgrade, the way that you can team green cards or at least it seems like team green cards are a little bit more compatible but overall I think these cards are the better value at the price point.

Oh, if you do pick up one of these cards and use it in an OEM system and it works or doesn't, I guess let us know in the forums maybe we can build a table of known good systems. Dell 9020 works but again the other systems that I tested don't work and the 9020 only works in two latest UEFI fourth, it's worth I don't know, I guess direct your hate mail to the forum at level one text, that's where I'm going to be hanging out and I'll see you there, I'm Wendell, I'm signing out.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthe purpose of today's video is to reviews it for the price of one or the attention span of one I should say because that's the thing radeon RX 580 and radiant RX 570 alternately this video could be titled the return of the mistery budget gamer theater something but we're gonna take a look at both of these cards in this video for budget gaming and OAM system upgrades stay tuned sometimes I feel like you know the most interesting man in the world not because I am no that's not at all because he says stay thirsty my friends and instead it's to stay engaged my friends because our analytics made it oh oh God before we get into these let's unpack them and take a look at the aesthetics I've been able to remove the security sticker with no hint that anything has gone wrong it's probably bad 580 see if I can do it repeat performance on the 570 oh yes well that's bad news for retailers everywhere unless they shrink wrap so the 570 get the driver CD both with driver CDs anymore changes one card installation manual the Sapphire you know important product registration thing we've got a nice padded bag there we go there is the 570 yeah this would be 570 give that okay we're gonna set that over there hopefully it's a little play and break carefully repack this is this is a loaner basically all I got to do with this is plug it in some old machines and see how well it does for an upgrade now let's see the let's do the 580 well you know driver CD registration installation manual how this is all seeming spookley familiar padded bag packed in exactly the same way feels slightly heavier but I might be imagining it yeah I'm probably imagining it so there is the 580 I hope I don't get the mixed up armory packing that's that would be bad now out of the box these are both the dual slot cards looks like they would work fine even in other boards where there's not really a lot of clearance between the individual slots both of these have an 8 pin power connector so you're going to need a power supply that provides an 8 pin power connector both of these will consume quite a bit of power the 570 will use up to 150 watts of power the 580 will use up to 185 190 watts of power depending on if you tweak settings and do some other stuff so keep that in mind when you're estimating your power supply wattage and all the other peripherals in your system 150 watts for the 570 180 590 watts for the 580 now these cards are pretty basic there's no RGB there's no anything like that but that's not to imply that they're bad or cheaply made actually I want to call attention to the construction quality in the build quality got a solid metal backplate feels very sturdy the construction in the hand just the way that it works the plastic shroud the way that it covers it the fans are dual ball bearing it looks like it would be pretty easy to replace the fan shroud if that came to it or something like that got a pretty big heatsink assembly in both cases the 570 has a dual heat pipe assembly the 580 looks like it's got a quad the heat pipe assembly they both seem to use the high quality polymer capacitors the chokes look like they're pretty high quality as well I would be surprised if these graphics cards don't last for years even under heavy operation even you know dealing with high temperatures and that sort of thing now the connectors on the back you've got two DisplayPort 1.2 connections and two HDMI connections so it's perfect for DVR and you of course also have the DVI connection and that is the same on both cards so I know what you're thinking it's like late 8th you know early May of 2017 the 572 580 came out and on paper they look pretty close to the 480 and the 470 that came out of June of last year so the 470 480 have been on the market for less than a year and we have these cards that come out that are almost identical they're they're basically very similar to the 400 series cards what has AMD done well you know harshly somebody might say they've just rebranded the 400 series chips to be the 500 series chips and really that's not terribly inaccurate that's that's really what AMD has done the big difference is this time around between the 400 series in the 500 series is that they've tweaked the silicon a little bit but the big changes are in software so when the 400 series cars are released they're brand new the drivers are not super optimized as we've seen in the past year for the 400 series cards the performance has improved dramatically in some cases for some games because of optimizations because the raw compute power here is is pretty significant I mean the raw compute power in terms of like how much computation you can actually get down on the card is significant and the performance is less than you would expect given the computational horsepower of those 400 series cards well with the 500 series cards because it's just a tweak to the 400 series silicon out the gate the performance is actually pretty good and so you see new software features like Radeon chill Radeon chill is aimed at making it so that the graphics card doesn't draw more frames than your monitor is physically capable of whether your monitor is limited to 60 Hertz or your monitor is limited to 120 Hertz whatever that happens to be that said the 570 is aimed at 1080p 60fps gaming that's on you know high or ultra settings in your particular game and the 580 is aimed at 60 FPS gaming for 1440p so AMD sort of changing their marketing message around a little bit most people don't have monitors that will go above 60 Hertz very few have monitors that will go above 75 Hertz and so for the vast majority of gamers if you can deliver a good experience at 60fps the limit of your monitor then that's good enough and so if you have a 1080p monitor or you want a game at 1080p they say well the 570 good enough for that and if you want something that's a little bit more a little bit higher settings maybe would handle an optimized game a little bit better will diminish the 580 and AMD goes so far as to say that 1440p gaming is possible with the 580 and I have to say in testing there that's basically right on the money I mean the claim that they make I can see why they're making the claim these are very affordable cards for the level of performance that they offer but the important thing to keep in mind with these cards is that they're not marketed at anybody that has bought the graphics card really certainly in last year probably the last two years there are a lot of people out there that are running you know like an r7 260 or even like a 7600 series or 7800 series or 7900 series AMD graphics cards or like an Nvidia you know GT 660 or maybe a gtx 660 those really old graphics cards and you know their computer to CPU I mean they're rocking a Sandy Bridge quad core you really don't need much of an upgrade to enjoy 1080p or 1440p gaming today so you don't really need to do much with your computer other than upgrade the graphics card and I have to agree with that reasoning that's completely I mean if you look at their curing console oddest videos you know we're upgrading these ancient Sandy Bridge Dell machines with a graphics card now a problem that our users on the forum ran into is that a lot of 400 series graphics carts and you add it to the embassy n--'s it wouldn't post or there was some sort of a problem or power delivery problem or something like that on the 400 series cards and those came out a year ago one would hope that the hardware has been improved and so we are doing testing with these graphics cards on those older machines we've got an HP workstation and older HP workstation we've got some dell i 5 workstations that even a small form-factor machine we're going to put a new power supply in because some of these OEM machines don't have a sufficient power supply to run these again remember 150 185 watts so we're going to take a look at using these and an OEM system and upgrading it because if you can pick up a business surplus desktop like these certainly for less than $100 that's not uncommon then you can end up spending 300 350 400 dollars get a Sandy Bridge or an Ivy Bridge desktop put in one of these new graphics cards until got four really good 1080p maybe 1440p gaming machine now since these are the pulse cards they're not as aggressively overclocked at some of the other five 70s and five 80s that you can find that said the 580 the boost clock is 1366 megahertz which is really not bad for a 580 the boost clock of the 570 was 12 44 megahertz now both of these have gddr5 memory with this 570 having 4 gigs of memory and this 580 having 8 gigs of memory 8 gigs is suitable for 1440p maybe even 4k at some games like overwatch if you know 60fps is not really exactly what you're after that said 1440p and 1080p a really high FPS if you get 144 Hertz monitor you're probably going to want the 580 if you want to run the really high frame rate but if you've got one of our curing console lightest builds or a commodity desktop rather than the 570 might be a better choice the box does not come with any adapters like these this is a dual 6 pin 2 8 pin adapter so these are both 8 pin cards so you really ideally need an 8 pin cable connector that said a 6-pin connector will fit in there let's try it in some om systems first up we've got this Dell Vostro I 5 this is manufactured I think in 2011 dude so let's turn this around and open it up all right we've got HDMI one set is output everything plugged in power on the motherboard no post now we tried to 580 in the Dell without a power supply upgrade didn't work we've had a 570 now so the 570 didn't work we'll give it a shot with the power adapter because you never know so there Dell power spa doesn't work let's swap it now normally I would you know unmount this and unscrew it where actually I've used this power spot a bunch of different systems so I'm not going to do that we're just gonna lay it up here on top of the computer look at that a single actual real 8 pin power adapter alright let's turn it on and see what happens it helps me turn the switch on we have life but do we have life no post okay so we've upgraded the power supply to a proper power supply and still with the five seventy no post probably going to take out the sapphire but the original graphics card back in see if there's a UEFI update some platforms that don't have DD the easiest way to make a bootable USB stick is Rufus so dental Rufus Rufus can make a free das USB stick just do that Hey look at that we boot it directly in to free das nice pair old versions ao3 number six I picked the BIOS yes so now we updated our UEFI and we've shut the system down again we're going to shove the 570 back in there all right get the graphics card shoved in there let's see if it boats well still doesn't boot new power supply new UEFI if you get a Vostro 430 or XPS 8300 which is basically the same system you're not you'll be able to install even the 500 series graphics card the machines that we tried we try to dell optiplex 980 adele optiplex 780 an HP compact workstation 6200 and we also tried a Vostro 430 which is the same as an XPS 8200 across the board we could not get a post from the 570 or the 580 we also had a 550 on hand that we just had to try for fun it isn't working anything either except for the Optiplex 980 it would boot in the Optiplex 980 and it would also boot in the HP 6200 but the other machines it would not boot now it doesn't even require external power so it's not really a power delivery or a power option it's just some problem some compatibility issue between the UEFI and these OEM systems which is too bad because I think a lot of people probably buy these to upgrade their older machines if you have a white box machine that you've built this still has a Sandy Bridge processor well obviously that will work fine with the 570 or the 580 and those machines are good candidates for this type of upgrade so now we're back to the desk we've tested it in om systems and can't really recommend it there over the Nvidia counterparts and what about the promise of 1080p gaming and 1440p gaming well you guys might remember these they shimmy in the monitor I've recommended in the past sort of discovered these from Korea and we've had these for years and years and years and generally these monitors have worked really well I still use these this is a 1440p 2560 by 1440 monitor 60 Hertz and I can say that the RX 580 lives up to its promise of good gaming experience on this display I think that overall the promise of good gaming at 1080p or 1440p these cards live up to it I mean the Radeon I mean it offers a good value for what it is you don't need to spend four or five hundred dollars or more on a graphics card for a good gaming experience unless you want you know an insane frame rate at 1440p or an exceedingly insane frame rate at 1080p but by and large most people are not gaming at that I mean a lot of monitors that are advertised that they're faster than 60 Hertz in reality the panel itself is not really faster than 60 Hertz you can see two frames at once and crazy stuff like that so even though these don't really work all that great in OEM systems if you're building a system you know an i-5 mill the road gaming system or a well balanced rig I still recommend these cards I think that the 570 and the 580 from AMD really honestly are the best value per dollar on the market for gaming for most games for just about anything else that's out there me personally I'd probably go for the 580 because it's got more graphics memory and will push more resolutions and I really like gaming at the native resolution on the 1440p systems that that I've used so I kind of recommend that but if you've only got a 1080p display and you aren't planning on doing anything with VR or doing anything on anything like that honestly the 570 is fine but I should be clear the people that should upgrade are people that have really ancient graphics cards I'm talking a graphics card that's more than three years old probably certainly more than two-and-a-half years old probably more than three years old really ancient Nvidia graphics really ancient AMD graphics maybe even the graphics card that came with your system as long as you know you don't have an OEM system where you know that it's going to work for a fact in your system now I should also mention Radeon chill what Radeon chill does is a little different than framerate targeting we're like okay my graphics card can display 60 Hertz I'll turn vsync on the graphics cards only go to render 60 frames Radeon chill works a little different in that if there's user input it'll go ahead and render the frame so you can get more than 60 Hertz even if your display doesn't necessarily support 60 Hertz so I mean ideally that means that it'll be best paired with a free sync display but if you're not doing anything on the screen or there's no user input then if there's no reason to draw a new frame the graphics card is not going to draw a new frame so that reduces heat production that reduces power usage maybe makes things a little bit more stable because of the reduced heat load both of these cards support the additional features that free sync to brings to the table free sync to brings things like high dynamic range and a bunch of other really cool features that we should look for on upcoming monitors both of these cards support free sync - so overall what's the verdict well like I was saying before I really think the red team has the better value proposition for cards around the $200 mark at this point if you're building a new system you really honestly should consider these cards I mean DirectX 12 support OpenCL the performance and raw teraflops I mean I really like these cards the most disappointing thing is that you can't use them at an OEM system for an upgrade the way that you can team green cards or at least it seems like team green cards are a little bit more compatible but overall I think these cards are the better value at the price point oh if you do pick up one of these cards and use it in an OEM system and it works or doesn't I guess let us know in the forums maybe we can build a table of known good systems Dell 9020 works but again the other systems that I tested don't work and the 9020 only works in two latest UEFI fourth it's worth I don't know I guess direct your hate mail to the forum at level one text that's where I'm going to be hanging out and I'll see you there I'm Wendell I'm signing out youthe purpose of today's video is to reviews it for the price of one or the attention span of one I should say because that's the thing radeon RX 580 and radiant RX 570 alternately this video could be titled the return of the mistery budget gamer theater something but we're gonna take a look at both of these cards in this video for budget gaming and OAM system upgrades stay tuned sometimes I feel like you know the most interesting man in the world not because I am no that's not at all because he says stay thirsty my friends and instead it's to stay engaged my friends because our analytics made it oh oh God before we get into these let's unpack them and take a look at the aesthetics I've been able to remove the security sticker with no hint that anything has gone wrong it's probably bad 580 see if I can do it repeat performance on the 570 oh yes well that's bad news for retailers everywhere unless they shrink wrap so the 570 get the driver CD both with driver CDs anymore changes one card installation manual the Sapphire you know important product registration thing we've got a nice padded bag there we go there is the 570 yeah this would be 570 give that okay we're gonna set that over there hopefully it's a little play and break carefully repack this is this is a loaner basically all I got to do with this is plug it in some old machines and see how well it does for an upgrade now let's see the let's do the 580 well you know driver CD registration installation manual how this is all seeming spookley familiar padded bag packed in exactly the same way feels slightly heavier but I might be imagining it yeah I'm probably imagining it so there is the 580 I hope I don't get the mixed up armory packing that's that would be bad now out of the box these are both the dual slot cards looks like they would work fine even in other boards where there's not really a lot of clearance between the individual slots both of these have an 8 pin power connector so you're going to need a power supply that provides an 8 pin power connector both of these will consume quite a bit of power the 570 will use up to 150 watts of power the 580 will use up to 185 190 watts of power depending on if you tweak settings and do some other stuff so keep that in mind when you're estimating your power supply wattage and all the other peripherals in your system 150 watts for the 570 180 590 watts for the 580 now these cards are pretty basic there's no RGB there's no anything like that but that's not to imply that they're bad or cheaply made actually I want to call attention to the construction quality in the build quality got a solid metal backplate feels very sturdy the construction in the hand just the way that it works the plastic shroud the way that it covers it the fans are dual ball bearing it looks like it would be pretty easy to replace the fan shroud if that came to it or something like that got a pretty big heatsink assembly in both cases the 570 has a dual heat pipe assembly the 580 looks like it's got a quad the heat pipe assembly they both seem to use the high quality polymer capacitors the chokes look like they're pretty high quality as well I would be surprised if these graphics cards don't last for years even under heavy operation even you know dealing with high temperatures and that sort of thing now the connectors on the back you've got two DisplayPort 1.2 connections and two HDMI connections so it's perfect for DVR and you of course also have the DVI connection and that is the same on both cards so I know what you're thinking it's like late 8th you know early May of 2017 the 572 580 came out and on paper they look pretty close to the 480 and the 470 that came out of June of last year so the 470 480 have been on the market for less than a year and we have these cards that come out that are almost identical they're they're basically very similar to the 400 series cards what has AMD done well you know harshly somebody might say they've just rebranded the 400 series chips to be the 500 series chips and really that's not terribly inaccurate that's that's really what AMD has done the big difference is this time around between the 400 series in the 500 series is that they've tweaked the silicon a little bit but the big changes are in software so when the 400 series cars are released they're brand new the drivers are not super optimized as we've seen in the past year for the 400 series cards the performance has improved dramatically in some cases for some games because of optimizations because the raw compute power here is is pretty significant I mean the raw compute power in terms of like how much computation you can actually get down on the card is significant and the performance is less than you would expect given the computational horsepower of those 400 series cards well with the 500 series cards because it's just a tweak to the 400 series silicon out the gate the performance is actually pretty good and so you see new software features like Radeon chill Radeon chill is aimed at making it so that the graphics card doesn't draw more frames than your monitor is physically capable of whether your monitor is limited to 60 Hertz or your monitor is limited to 120 Hertz whatever that happens to be that said the 570 is aimed at 1080p 60fps gaming that's on you know high or ultra settings in your particular game and the 580 is aimed at 60 FPS gaming for 1440p so AMD sort of changing their marketing message around a little bit most people don't have monitors that will go above 60 Hertz very few have monitors that will go above 75 Hertz and so for the vast majority of gamers if you can deliver a good experience at 60fps the limit of your monitor then that's good enough and so if you have a 1080p monitor or you want a game at 1080p they say well the 570 good enough for that and if you want something that's a little bit more a little bit higher settings maybe would handle an optimized game a little bit better will diminish the 580 and AMD goes so far as to say that 1440p gaming is possible with the 580 and I have to say in testing there that's basically right on the money I mean the claim that they make I can see why they're making the claim these are very affordable cards for the level of performance that they offer but the important thing to keep in mind with these cards is that they're not marketed at anybody that has bought the graphics card really certainly in last year probably the last two years there are a lot of people out there that are running you know like an r7 260 or even like a 7600 series or 7800 series or 7900 series AMD graphics cards or like an Nvidia you know GT 660 or maybe a gtx 660 those really old graphics cards and you know their computer to CPU I mean they're rocking a Sandy Bridge quad core you really don't need much of an upgrade to enjoy 1080p or 1440p gaming today so you don't really need to do much with your computer other than upgrade the graphics card and I have to agree with that reasoning that's completely I mean if you look at their curing console oddest videos you know we're upgrading these ancient Sandy Bridge Dell machines with a graphics card now a problem that our users on the forum ran into is that a lot of 400 series graphics carts and you add it to the embassy n--'s it wouldn't post or there was some sort of a problem or power delivery problem or something like that on the 400 series cards and those came out a year ago one would hope that the hardware has been improved and so we are doing testing with these graphics cards on those older machines we've got an HP workstation and older HP workstation we've got some dell i 5 workstations that even a small form-factor machine we're going to put a new power supply in because some of these OEM machines don't have a sufficient power supply to run these again remember 150 185 watts so we're going to take a look at using these and an OEM system and upgrading it because if you can pick up a business surplus desktop like these certainly for less than $100 that's not uncommon then you can end up spending 300 350 400 dollars get a Sandy Bridge or an Ivy Bridge desktop put in one of these new graphics cards until got four really good 1080p maybe 1440p gaming machine now since these are the pulse cards they're not as aggressively overclocked at some of the other five 70s and five 80s that you can find that said the 580 the boost clock is 1366 megahertz which is really not bad for a 580 the boost clock of the 570 was 12 44 megahertz now both of these have gddr5 memory with this 570 having 4 gigs of memory and this 580 having 8 gigs of memory 8 gigs is suitable for 1440p maybe even 4k at some games like overwatch if you know 60fps is not really exactly what you're after that said 1440p and 1080p a really high FPS if you get 144 Hertz monitor you're probably going to want the 580 if you want to run the really high frame rate but if you've got one of our curing console lightest builds or a commodity desktop rather than the 570 might be a better choice the box does not come with any adapters like these this is a dual 6 pin 2 8 pin adapter so these are both 8 pin cards so you really ideally need an 8 pin cable connector that said a 6-pin connector will fit in there let's try it in some om systems first up we've got this Dell Vostro I 5 this is manufactured I think in 2011 dude so let's turn this around and open it up all right we've got HDMI one set is output everything plugged in power on the motherboard no post now we tried to 580 in the Dell without a power supply upgrade didn't work we've had a 570 now so the 570 didn't work we'll give it a shot with the power adapter because you never know so there Dell power spa doesn't work let's swap it now normally I would you know unmount this and unscrew it where actually I've used this power spot a bunch of different systems so I'm not going to do that we're just gonna lay it up here on top of the computer look at that a single actual real 8 pin power adapter alright let's turn it on and see what happens it helps me turn the switch on we have life but do we have life no post okay so we've upgraded the power supply to a proper power supply and still with the five seventy no post probably going to take out the sapphire but the original graphics card back in see if there's a UEFI update some platforms that don't have DD the easiest way to make a bootable USB stick is Rufus so dental Rufus Rufus can make a free das USB stick just do that Hey look at that we boot it directly in to free das nice pair old versions ao3 number six I picked the BIOS yes so now we updated our UEFI and we've shut the system down again we're going to shove the 570 back in there all right get the graphics card shoved in there let's see if it boats well still doesn't boot new power supply new UEFI if you get a Vostro 430 or XPS 8300 which is basically the same system you're not you'll be able to install even the 500 series graphics card the machines that we tried we try to dell optiplex 980 adele optiplex 780 an HP compact workstation 6200 and we also tried a Vostro 430 which is the same as an XPS 8200 across the board we could not get a post from the 570 or the 580 we also had a 550 on hand that we just had to try for fun it isn't working anything either except for the Optiplex 980 it would boot in the Optiplex 980 and it would also boot in the HP 6200 but the other machines it would not boot now it doesn't even require external power so it's not really a power delivery or a power option it's just some problem some compatibility issue between the UEFI and these OEM systems which is too bad because I think a lot of people probably buy these to upgrade their older machines if you have a white box machine that you've built this still has a Sandy Bridge processor well obviously that will work fine with the 570 or the 580 and those machines are good candidates for this type of upgrade so now we're back to the desk we've tested it in om systems and can't really recommend it there over the Nvidia counterparts and what about the promise of 1080p gaming and 1440p gaming well you guys might remember these they shimmy in the monitor I've recommended in the past sort of discovered these from Korea and we've had these for years and years and years and generally these monitors have worked really well I still use these this is a 1440p 2560 by 1440 monitor 60 Hertz and I can say that the RX 580 lives up to its promise of good gaming experience on this display I think that overall the promise of good gaming at 1080p or 1440p these cards live up to it I mean the Radeon I mean it offers a good value for what it is you don't need to spend four or five hundred dollars or more on a graphics card for a good gaming experience unless you want you know an insane frame rate at 1440p or an exceedingly insane frame rate at 1080p but by and large most people are not gaming at that I mean a lot of monitors that are advertised that they're faster than 60 Hertz in reality the panel itself is not really faster than 60 Hertz you can see two frames at once and crazy stuff like that so even though these don't really work all that great in OEM systems if you're building a system you know an i-5 mill the road gaming system or a well balanced rig I still recommend these cards I think that the 570 and the 580 from AMD really honestly are the best value per dollar on the market for gaming for most games for just about anything else that's out there me personally I'd probably go for the 580 because it's got more graphics memory and will push more resolutions and I really like gaming at the native resolution on the 1440p systems that that I've used so I kind of recommend that but if you've only got a 1080p display and you aren't planning on doing anything with VR or doing anything on anything like that honestly the 570 is fine but I should be clear the people that should upgrade are people that have really ancient graphics cards I'm talking a graphics card that's more than three years old probably certainly more than two-and-a-half years old probably more than three years old really ancient Nvidia graphics really ancient AMD graphics maybe even the graphics card that came with your system as long as you know you don't have an OEM system where you know that it's going to work for a fact in your system now I should also mention Radeon chill what Radeon chill does is a little different than framerate targeting we're like okay my graphics card can display 60 Hertz I'll turn vsync on the graphics cards only go to render 60 frames Radeon chill works a little different in that if there's user input it'll go ahead and render the frame so you can get more than 60 Hertz even if your display doesn't necessarily support 60 Hertz so I mean ideally that means that it'll be best paired with a free sync display but if you're not doing anything on the screen or there's no user input then if there's no reason to draw a new frame the graphics card is not going to draw a new frame so that reduces heat production that reduces power usage maybe makes things a little bit more stable because of the reduced heat load both of these cards support the additional features that free sync to brings to the table free sync to brings things like high dynamic range and a bunch of other really cool features that we should look for on upcoming monitors both of these cards support free sync - so overall what's the verdict well like I was saying before I really think the red team has the better value proposition for cards around the $200 mark at this point if you're building a new system you really honestly should consider these cards I mean DirectX 12 support OpenCL the performance and raw teraflops I mean I really like these cards the most disappointing thing is that you can't use them at an OEM system for an upgrade the way that you can team green cards or at least it seems like team green cards are a little bit more compatible but overall I think these cards are the better value at the price point oh if you do pick up one of these cards and use it in an OEM system and it works or doesn't I guess let us know in the forums maybe we can build a table of known good systems Dell 9020 works but again the other systems that I tested don't work and the 9020 only works in two latest UEFI fourth it's worth I don't know I guess direct your hate mail to the forum at level one text that's where I'm going to be hanging out and I'll see you there I'm Wendell I'm signing out you\n"