**The Importance of Considering Charging Options when Purchasing an Electric Vehicle**

When it comes to purchasing an electric vehicle (EV), one of the most critical factors to consider is charging. The type and quality of charger that comes with the vehicle can greatly impact its overall performance, convenience, and value. In this article, we will delve into the various aspects of EV charging, including the types of chargers, their advantages and disadvantages, and what factors to consider when selecting a charger.

**Hardwiring vs. Plug-in Chargers**

When it comes to charging an EV, there are two main options: hardwired chargers and plug-in chargers. Hardwired chargers are permanently installed in the wall and provide the most convenient and efficient way to charge an EV. However, they require a 100 amp circuit breaker and must be hardwired into the electrical system of the home. This can be a significant upfront cost, but it provides peace of mind knowing that you have a reliable and safe charging solution.

Plug-in chargers, on the other hand, are portable and can be easily taken with you when you move to a new location. They also offer more flexibility in terms of placement, as they do not require hardwiring into the electrical system. However, plug-in chargers are limited by their amperage output, which can impact the rate at which your EV charges.

**Future-Proofing Your Charger**

As cars evolve and charging rates increase, it's essential to future-proof your charger. Some EVs come with onboard chargers that have higher amperage outputs, such as 11 kilowatts, which provide faster charging times. To take advantage of these features, you'll need a charger that can support the increased amperage output. This means selecting a charger that is compatible with the EV's onboard charger and has the necessary electrical capacity to keep up with the vehicle's charging needs.

**Factors to Consider When Selecting a Charger**

When choosing a charger for your EV, there are several factors to consider beyond just the type of charger. These include:

* **Range and Amperage**: Make sure to select a charger that can support the EV's maximum amperage output.

* **Convenience**: Consider whether you want a plug-in charger that is portable or a hardwired charger that provides more convenience.

* **Cost**: Evaluate the upfront cost of the charger, as well as any ongoing costs associated with usage.

* **App Integration**: Some chargers come with apps that allow for remote charging and monitoring. If you value this feature, consider selecting a charger with app integration.

**The Importance of UL Certification**

When purchasing an EV charger, it's essential to ensure that it meets safety standards. Look for a charger that is UL (Underwriters Laboratories) certified, which indicates that it has been tested and meets certain safety requirements.

**Real-World Experience: A Personal Perspective**

In our own testing, we've seen firsthand the benefits of investing in a high-quality EV charger. By considering factors such as range and amperage, convenience, cost, and app integration, you can find a charger that meets your needs and provides years of reliable service.

**Conclusion**

When purchasing an electric vehicle, charging is a critical factor to consider. By understanding the different types of chargers available and the factors that influence their performance, you can make an informed decision about which charger is right for you. Whether you prefer a hardwired charger or a plug-in charger, there are options available that meet your needs and provide years of reliable service.

**Additional Resources**

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhi and welcome back I'm Mike Quincy I'm Michael crosson I'm gab shanar so today's podcast uh you'll just have to bear with me a little bit my throat isn't too too great but it's too an important vehicle to pass up an opportunity to talk about and that of course is the 2025 Toyota Camry and the big news news about this vehicle is that all models come standard with a hybrid powertrain no more straight four-cylinder no more V6 uh and and that has it probably strengths and weaknesses depending on who you talk to and right now we're going to talk to Gabe shenhar uh and so tell me is is this a smart move by Toyota or is it too risky well the exclusivity of the hybrid power power train is not something new for Toyota they've done it with the Venza the Sienna the crown Etc and it seems to be catching on with consumers um among our members we've seen that uh traditionally when they offered the hybrid powertrain and the regular powertrain the the percentage of hybrid uh takers was quite uh considerable so um I think uh this is part of uh the normalization of uh the hybrid powertrain just like a few years ago you know uh turbo became uh very very proliferant not not as not as exotic as it used to be yeah I mean you don't see a turbo badge on the on the cars anymore right and uh you may not see a hybrid badge on cars uh going forward I mean it's h I think consumers uh want to get the the good fuel economy and uh they may not know or care that it's a hybrid even Mike do you think this is like a a nice little cautious step that that consumers can take toward like partial electrification I I don't think there's a problem with um going hybrid now and I think we can all agree if a hybrid drivet train is done well it's usually better than the gas only version and in many cases there's a bunch of cars I could name um for that so I sort of applaud them for that um I think they've done a pretty decent job here with this um hybrid power train and we can kind of we'll get into that sort of how it drives and things like that but um yeah I would not be afraid to make this my first hybrid right and and you know with with the the evolution of hybrids has always been about fuel economy and Toyota says the new camera get between 44 and 51 mil uh per gallon big claim oh yeah I mean but to Toyota in our testing you know usually comes comes across as as being among the most fuel efficient Brands you depending on on the model certainly yeah the previous generation got a really great fuel economy almost matching that of the Prius so that's uh very commendable uh the varying fuel economy some might wonder is because of uh different trim lines different tire size uh more well well better equipped uh versions with sunroof or without so different weights or front whee driers Sol but but you bring up a very good point and certainly as as fans of consumer reports knows we're going to buy our own test car and do our own uh measurements for fuel economy but it's needless to say we're we're fairly optimistic about this uh other news about the the 2025 Camry's blind spot warning and rear cross traffic warning are standard on all trims awesome so that's really good to see uh all-wheel drives also available on All trim lines which is also good one thing about the all-wheel drive this time it's not a physically connected all-wheel drive so it's an electric motor driving the the rear axle so less weight less friction so there may not be such a huge difference in fuel economy between the front-wheel drive and the all-wheel drive this time right it also shows that Toyota has evolves their technology they learn more and they they find better ways to produce all-wheel drive and do it in a lighter more manner so that's that is also uh really not worthy we rented two 2025 uh Camry sedans from Toyota to perform like our just our kind of First Impressions uh we got an SE model uh which is probably among the more popular trim lines and we also got a very well equ equipped XLE model uh the Le which is the entry level model starts at $28,400 uh we'll probably be buying an SE as as Gabe has has pointed out to me before for our test program which costs about 30,700 but um let's start into how it drives and Gabe I'll start with you you know there's a certain uh Community out there that uh likes to bash the Camry as if it's uh handles like a 1964 Buick and uh nowadays the Camry is it's a pretty well-rounded car it's always been but uh handling wise it's uh right up there with the other family sedans so it uh handles pretty nimbly one thing I would mention is that the X versions XLE and xse have uh more sound insulation and uh also acoustic glass on the side uh Windows the S and xse have a a firmer suspension so the the handling is a little tighter I mean slightly more a agile yeah I I I totally agree with what you're saying about how Toyota has has been tuning the suspension for the Camry over the last few years it's not the boring car that that it always was maybe you know Toyota's experience in racing as you know translated into making a Camry a much more enjoyable model um and and you made one specific observation about The XLE um that that stuck out to me yeah um I drove them both and I drove our SE first that we had as the the rented car and then um had the X and that had as a sunroof and immediately getting in the car um there was way less head room my head was right up against sort of the kind of there's a lower portion right by the roof and then you had do get a little more room like when the sun roof sort of the glass area there um so I had to adjust the seat and even with the seat in its lowest position my hair was still rubbing the headliner so I kind of had to like lay the seat back a little bit which sort of wasn't my preferred driving position so I kind of had to make a decision you do I want my head bouncing off the roof or do I want to just lean back a little bit and try to get more comfortable um so personally I mean I would go for one without the sunroof I also found it to be little noisy from the sunroof 2 right um you know but I think Gabe made great um observations on the driving Impressions on this thing the way it handles the way it rides um really really nice and I would just say I mean this is this is a Camry right you could probably put any of us in it blindfolded and say hey Mike guess what car you're in and you probably guess that it's a Camry right and it's not a bad thing I don't think um that's been the case with every Camry through its entire generation run right and I mean I think it works for him because people buy multiple you know they just go from one to the next the next and if this is your first Camry or your fourth Camry I think you're probably going to be pretty impressed with what they've done here right and and you you take you know the blindfold analogy and and have somebody just riding it but then you take the blindfold off them and say figure out the controls in in a in a matter of minutes and likely they will be able to yes so so kind of kudos to Toyota for making the controls pretty straightforward there's there's lots of um large buttons there's a traditional gear selector which which we like and and so I think that kind of the familiarization to go on your point past Camry buyers get into this new one they're not going to be flumed by you know a huge screen that that spans the entire dashboard for example which is which is you know smart I mean Toyota knows their buyers right oh of course I mean when you sell 300,000 of them a year then uh you know you're buyer and you're also careful not to make too radical of changes right right and and look looking back in history you know something that like Ford did with the tourist they went to that that overal leak shape and and completely killed the Sals because of just because of the styling so so they got to be careful about that uh another thing that I uh noticed driving both Camry is really good visibility I I like the fact that the roof pillars are pretty thin I like the fact that there's a lot of glass area uh good visibility all around goes goes goes along long way with me um but we did also find some differences with like the displays between The XLE and the SE um you guys want to talk about that a little bit so The XLE trim had a 12.3 in screen um so a little bit bigger which is can be nicer right because there's a lot of things displayed in there so you get a little more real estate for it um but I know that we had um some of our our drivers and testers felt that it was a little difficult to use um lots of menus and sort of submenu use and you got to kind of dig your way through all of these right um and I know for me too that's a thing I like stuff that's really easy to use and toyos in general I find a lot of their infotainment in their instrument cluster to be really kind of cluttered and crowded right so the SE that we had rented and drove had less of that um few less buttons things were marked maybe a little bit clearer I think so for me that's a plus um you know I suppose if you really buy the car and live with the car you're going to kind of get it set up yourself you know I got in the car maybe after you and you had it set up one way I want to experiment with it and and play around with it then you know Gabe gets in the car he's going to set it up for himself um so some of that may go away if you're an owner but um so it's just sort of menu after menu right through this through this screen yeah one thing about The XLE with a 12.3 the some of the critique wasn't about uh the center screen so much but cluster or the driver screen which is configurable and uh with with steering wheel buttons you can choose what display you want to see so that's a little fussy and a little tricky to uh deal with all right and let's get down to to how the seats work cuz sometimes Toyota seats for me are always like a little short on on cushion support um but I found these seats fairly decent at least in the in the SE which is what the car that I spent most time what you guys think of the seats game yeah I thought it was a reasonable seat so far according to my short stint I haven't taken it on any long trips or on my super long commute yet but uh in short order when we get our own will will know more about that yeah I think um it's no secret I've said that I sort of love the new Accord especially the hybrid and the one thing we don't like about that are the seats and that would probably maybe keep some people from buying one especially if you had a long commute um I thought the seat was pretty good I did notice there was a lot of Lumbar and I thought it was maybe just whoever was in it before had like built-in lumbar yeah so I thought maybe the lumbar was just like you know cranked up to the max but it wasn't the lumbar had been turned all the way down there's still a lot of built-in lumbar in the seat which I didn't necessarily mind so much um but I definitely think you know that might be a consideration for some people that might be sort of the one sticking point for me if you did find that sort of lower back area maybe not so comfortable yeah I think I think the SE and The XLE also both had two-way lumbar support uh which I found effective I spent about 10 hours driving the the SE model up in Vermont uh really enjoyed the drive overall totally agree on some of the wind noise uh not a deal breaker but but definitely was there uh I found the seat pretty good that that held up over over that long of a drive and and it it also reminded me of um years ago we tested a Camry Hybrid and when my boys were younger we went on a trip to Mount Washington up in up in New Hampshire we left Connecticut with a full tank of fuel we went to to New Hampshire went up Mount Washington down Mount Washington spent a few days in that town and it wasn't until halfway through Massachusetts on the way home to Connecticut that we had to stop for fuel so so that to be cemented what a Camry Hybrid is really really good at and that's road trips absolutely totally yeah I mean that reminds me and then about 15 years ago we we took a Camry Hybrid uh to uh Toronto and uh my kids were little there and and one of them said hey how come we never stop for gas on this trip right and you know you we talk about Toyota's um you know Stellar brand reliability they really have master hybrid technology hybrid reliability these are not these are complicated machines they have a lot of things going on when you're jumping between the batteries the electric motors and the gas engine and it seems to go back and forth very seamlessly it's not just a straightforward internal combustion engine so when you think about the complications of the design and the fact that they've been doing it for over 20 years and the reliability is still just knock it out of the park good um it it should kind of lay pe people's fears to rest uh when it comes to I I want a new Camry but I've never had a hybrid before so so look just looking at Consumer Reports data um people should kind of chill out about this right yeah I think so I mean this 2.5 is not a brand new motor um for Toyota we've we've seen this in some of their kind of more recent models and along with the hybrid technology and it's implemented very well and from a technician's point of view um being under the hood you know when we do our fuel economy testing we actually put a device on the car and all recent Toyotas have been very easy to do everything looks really well laid out under the hood so from you know another reliability standpoint eventually things happen need some maintenance stuff needs to be repaired I think it's going to be easy to get done in most cases um where some cars when we put these this fuel system on it's kind of a nightmare and it can take hours to do um but all the recent Toyota stuff um and I took a look at these two cies that we had and I don't suspect there'll be any kind of a problem there either so again I think that speaks to you know their their thought process um and again to the reliability and ease of fixing when that does come about so so like inexpensive to to to to run probably inexpensive to maintain so that's you know kind of another thing going for it it is worth noting for maintenance um so this 25 in the Camry for 2025 we'll be using zw8 motor oil which we first saw in the crown um so our crown that we bought that was the first time we'd seen it at the time the oil was a little difficult to get but you can get it at Toyota um certainly now and we're going to start seeing that you on the aftermarket at the part stores and things like that too right but for for talking cars listeners and viewers you know how is how is this oil this weight oil different than sort of it's um it's thinner basically so they're going after fuel economy and Emissions with it so that's probably one of the reasons the car should get really nice fuel economy um I actually did a pour test with I put some in the freezer and it pours like water almost Even after spending a day in the freezer and it comes only as a synthetic other it's a full synthetic yep and as of um just were recently you know available at Toyota I actually have a bottle on my desk I should have brought over but um so that'll raise the price a little bit little bit right yeah to to gab's point you know usually we we talk about synthetic oil and people immediately think you know mobile one and that's expensive oil and and like if you have a Porsche or a BMW some high-end car that requires uh a synthetic oil you have to think well my oil changes are going to be a lot more than an average car so do you think that you know that is Toyota going into that you know realm of of you know more expensive oil changes I I mean I guess the short is yes because it is a synthetic oil and they typically do cost a little bit more but basically all new cars are requiring synthetic that's what they're coming with from the factory that's what they're recommending um anytime you buy oil at a dealership you're probably going to pay a couple extra dollars a court anyway but I'm sure Toyota is very mindful of this right you know they they sort of know what their customer will sort of will tolerate um especially the Camry customer for the services um toy come with Toyota care as well so your first couple of services are covered anyway which is which is nice so it gets dealer service you get the rotates done you get the oil changes done at Toyota and um then the experts are keeping an eye on your car right they're the ones underneath it and seeing if anything has come up and he to be taken care of so I don't think it's a bad thing overall um basically everything is moving toward synthetic unless you're still driving a a 98 you know whatever yeah stick with the the conventional oil um you don't need to to make the jump to synthetic necessarily but um basically everything that we're buying and testing now is um coming with and recommended is synthetic okay so so the proliferation is going towards synthetic you mentioned getting it the oil Chang at the at the dealer you know there's a lot of people that go to the quick you knowu places stuff like that you think they're going to have any issues getting getting this kind of special toy I if you were doing it today yeah it might be something to bring up I think um you know cuz how many crowns have they sold I don't know what the number is but I've seen a few on the road but once um you know Camry becomes available and there's a ton of these on the road and they get outside toyot care people will be going to these oil change places and the independent so you will be able to get this stuff eventually at the regular a part stour so go through your two years first free maintenance and by that time you might see it uh do that kind of oil more Pooler friend absolutely you know to Toyota does not usually jump into the the the deep end of the pool without thinking very carefully about it we'll definitely have to see how this how this pans out and you just a reminder these this is just our first impressions of the Camry and we will be buying our own test car and look forward to putting through our usual testing repertoire uh and that brings us to our audience questions we love getting your questions text 30 second videos send them all to talking cars at icloud.com that's talking cars icloud.com first up is a question this is from Marty from Beloit Wisconsin your recent video on the Fisker ocean brought this to mind one thing I remember from cr's test from the 1960s and70s were itemized lists of defects on test cars mildly distorted windshield glass or flaws in the the paint were fairly common and of minor consequences while loose or missing lug nuts or a side window slipping out of its track might be more egregious I also recall if a car did especially poorly in these tests it might earn a not recommended or not acceptable rating have any vehicles in recent memory been so riddled with defects as to severely affect their overall rating and have any cars come close to being rated not acceptable so there's there's two guys sitting at the table that have been here a while uh one guy has been here a bit longer than me so Gabe I'm going to turn to you and see what you can tell um Marty about you know looking at defects and whatnot well that's some uh impressive memory there Marty uh but uh yeah you're right uh we used to list the sample defects that uh came on our car uh if you remember correctly it uh the paragraph in the magazine always uh always followed the reliability of the car which came from from survey from real owners and it kind of created a bit of a an implication or a confusion that these sample defects affect the reliability and we uh decided uh you know this is only our sample there isn't a whole lot of value here and we decided to um stop the sample defect and uh make room for other things like we started evaluating fit and finish for instance that we hadn't done until then now as to uh the not acceptable that uh was a very rare kind of thing that only applied to a safety situation like uh if a car tipped up in our avoidance maneuver for instance and threatened to roll over so uh we haven't seen that uh of late uh luckily but uh one example I I'll uh highlight here is in 2010 we tested the Lexus GX that uh tended to over steer too much or fish tail in our avoidance maneuver and our in our track handling before the stability control uh came into play and we issued uh do not buy for that car and then Toyota stopped uh selling it until they figured it out and reprogrammed theability control and went back on sale yeah and that and that kind of you know supports the the not the argument but but we're having a lot more communication with car companies and we kind of let them know ahead of time we we're seeing issue with this with this car right we think that's a much better contribution to uh right and and and um you know we help consumers we help companies so right and some manufacturers like Tesla can do over the air updates we we s we found some issues with the braking performance they said okay let us work on this they did in the over over thee update we retested it and the brakes got better but Mike like one of the things that you do here is you check in the new test cars and when when when Marty's talking about like like like sample defects and whatnot you thinking like did it come from the factory this way is this an issue of dealer prep them not you know sweating all the details and and so you you've probably seen a little bit in your time L as well so from what I've seen recently most of the the things that have been let's say wrong with a car um probably happened at the dealer or maybe during transport um we have seen some damage to paint and things like that um usually you check that you get that sort of checked at the dealer you walk the car around you know before you pay signed for it um to varying degrees right might be a little dooring might be a little scuff on a wheel to um you actually quite a bit of damage on one car in one case and we elected basically not to buy that car and we got a different car so um as far as things you know sort of from the the factory sort of going wrong it's basically been software kind of issues um which hopefully get corrected pretty easily um there's been a few kind of recently um like the Blazer had some software stuff Chevrolet did Issue the stop sale and they came out with an update and it's been quite honestly better can't say it's 100% perfect um I haven't you know sort of gone through every system but it is much better so that software update allows them to the manufacturers allows them to be a little quicker I think in the response as to what they were probably way back in the day and um you know rolling out these fixes but I think most of what we've seen sort of you know quote unquote problems um a lot of it was either from happened during prep or on the dealer lot maybe lack of prep things like that um for the most part I would say you know little things um I think our model 3's a pillar trim fell off as um Ryan was driving it back after he had purchased it you know we've had some check engine light stuff on relatively new cars within the first few hundred miles I'll be getting back on the dealership they diagnose them get them fixed we really haven't had massive issues there right and you guys have talked about like digital issues that that cars are coming with but sometimes even you'll see like the the when when when a new car comes to the dealer like there's all this blue tape like in the interior and and I would say half the time we can find some some little strips of tape here and there that they forgot to take off yeah I mean there's so many of them um you know sometimes that's technician's job sometimes it's the detail Department's job I feel sometimes um you know a lot of times that detail happens the day of delivery and basically at that point like when we're on our way they know it's us cuz they have to get the car registered to us I sort of feel like in some cases like oh you know they know who it's going to they sort of sort of stop like peeling the rest of it um cuz one of the things we also do when we buy is we don't let them sort of do the whole delivery process with us we want to learn about the car ourselves where normally if just an average person buys the car you work with a Salesman salesperson they have a delivery coordinator that you know pairs your phone gets all the app and stuff set up shows you how to use everything and we just take the car we say thanks we'll figure it out um so a lot of those things I think would probably get caught as you go through the car and they show you how to you know fold the second row seats they see that little piece of you know film and they can just kind of quick pull it off so that might be a unique to us scenario and often even if they know that it's us already we can still see overinflated tires and and such oh yeah y when when cars are being delivered uh usually the the tires are are over inflated and then it's the Dealer's job to adjust the to the proper pressure and that sometimes doesn't happen What I what I liked about Marty's question is it is look back on consumer reports history I'm sort of a historian myself and and it reminded me that we used to have a test called starting and running which was back in the days of carburetors so so if it was cold out and you get it started but it would chug and then it would stall or something like that or if it was too hot it wouldn't restart and the cars have gotten so much better we don't do a test anymore called starting and running thank goodness and uh just so you know Marty and everyone knows that we're always looking at how we're uh testing Vehicles we're looking at our processes we're always trying to get better and and uh and dropping some tests well sometimes that's what we have to do keeping with the times right uh anyway great question loved that one uh next up is Seth who writes we don't have a Tesla and so there are many more options for home chargers for Ev Vehicles what do you recommend and Seth luckily we have Mike crosen here who is really becoming an EV expert here at consumer ports test track and you I'm sure have a great answer for Seth yeah um so Seth from Parts Unknown um I wonder what EV you do have you know you said he didn't have a Tesla but I'm just curious as to what you may maybe he's thinking about bu absolutely sure and then thinking ahead to what kind of charger we should get and yeah if you let's just for a minute let's just say if you are getting the Tesla it makes it kind of easy you just get the Tesla home charger and you're done you don't have to think about it too much um but there are a lot of other chargers out there and I agree it can be overwhelming so what I would say is you need to think about Seth what your situation is um you know think about maybe either what car you have or maybe what car you're planning on getting in the future look at you know your house or your apartment your condo whatever it is you have what's your parking situation um do you want this hardwired to the wall you know if you're leasing somewhere probably better to get one that actually has the plug so you can easily take the charger with you and you don't have to then hire an electrician to move it um how long of a charging cord do you need you know are you keeping the charger in the garage but you plan on charging outside you have to you know move cars throughout the driveway and things like that driveway not a garage correct so look at specs of the Chargers um personally when I got the one for my house I went for one that was a plug-in style and that had a really long cord um I mounted mine in the garage but I know I'll be charging the vehicle outside so you just way my driveway is set up and I have a lot of cars in my drive I wanted as much flexibility as possible so hopefully I didn't have to move three cars you know just to charge one um think about future proofing as well as cars evolve the charging rates theoretically are going up um I think our lyric is at 19.1 kilowatt an hour um on like level two and that's about as high as you're going to get for level two at a house that gets around about 80 amps that's a lot of electricity but theoretically that car is capable of it and if you were a lyric buyer you know might be worth looking into a charger that can support that along within the home infrastructure right yeah you're you're going to need to uh have 100 amp circuit breaker and hardwired so yeah uh with the a plug-in type yeah it's convenience it's it's portable but you're limited to the amount of amperage you can uh take advantage of and if uh if you have an onboard charger in an EV that uh has an 11 um kilowatt type which is pretty common these days then in order to benefit from that you're going to want to be a hardwired on a 50 amp circuit breaker so you can uh benefit from that and that what that means is that you're going to get maybe 35 miles of uh miles of range per hour of charging as opposed to 20 or 22 so another thing I think that we sometimes don't initially think about with the Chargers we tend to relate this to the cars but are the apps some of these Chargers have their own app as well and um in some cases you actually need to have an account in the app to like quote unquote unlock the charger to actually get sort of its full potential so when I got the one for my house I picked one that there is an app for but you don't need the app it will operate at its full potential I can rely on the cars app to start and stop charging and all that kind of stuff I just didn't want to have to have another app in my life right um that being said there are some Chargers that don't even have an app so if you know you're you're not an app person you don't want to use it you can get one to save a few dollars probably a couple hundred dollars by getting a a quote unquote like a non-smart charger um versus you know if you like apps and you want to have that control ability definitely spend a little bit extra money and get one that has an app so again that might be something that you don't even think about you're like oh they're all the same they all probably have that connectivity some do some don't and some you have to to get full access um you know could be annoying you know if you didn't plan on actually using an app right right and let me add that uh you know don't be tempted and don't get a a a really cheap um charger that only uh does 16 andamp that'll be uh slow charging and also make sure you get a UL certified unit uh so you have a peace of mind that it's been tested and it's been certified and it's safe and uh yeah and don't forget to check out our um story on online we we tested a bunch of them we all do the same thing and we have some favorites there right and you we've gone from from from carburetors to being electrical experts all in one podcast which is Prett pretty awesome anyway love these questions uh especially you know diving in deep into EVS which is what we've been doing the last several years here at consumer reports and that will about do it for this episode which was produced of course by super producer Dave Abrams and expertly edited by Andrew I still play hockey bise and Anatoli the great shumsky as always check the show notes for more information on the vehicles and the topics that we discussed and just a reminder keep the questions coming talking cars at iCloud thanks so much for tuning in we'll see you next time\n"