The Hosts Introduce Themselves and the Podcast Name

Hey guys! What's up? Today I'm here with whatsdev. Without any further ado, let's jump right into it. This could be our podcast opener, dude. - I like it! - What's up, this is Qazi here, from cleverprogrammer.com. Today here with... Tenzin from whatsdev. That's right, and we are here with... Aaron. You guys know me. Yeah. Aaron is the man on the Clever Programmer channel.

The Podcast Title Is Revealed

This is the first episode of, what should we call it? The Qazi show! - The Profitable Podcast. - The Profitable Programmer Show! (laughing) Oh that's actually good. The Profitable Programmer Show! Welcome, everybody. We're gonna start off with talking about why developers don't get girls. And then from there, we're gonna transition into a lot more things. So this is gonna be probably one of the most authentic, transparent, and rawest shit that you guys have seen on this channel. So if you're under 18, you should probably leave. But, if you- It might get too raw, though. - Yeah. But if you're over 18 an' you're excited, let's jump right into it.

Tenzin Introduces Himself

So, and he's Tenzin from whatsdev, you know. I don't know if you guys know that. Take it easy. Because he's been off the map a little bit. But! This guy just opened up his new YouTube channel called-- Yeah, I got my first subscriber yesterday. - Did you? - Yeah. Because he's been off the map a little bit. Pretty much, that's how you started right? Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. Peer pressure. Peer pressure is everything. But yours is called, what is it called? Clever Programmer Aaron. Nice. So it's kind of a branch of Clever Programmer, it's not my own yet. Fucking RSD.CP Aaron. Not CP Aaron, Clever Programmer Aaron. All right, yeah, yeah. But CP Aaron for short. Nice bro. I like Clever Programmer Aaron. That's good.

Aaron's Trip from Chicago

So you just came over here from Chicago, how was your trip? - Good. - How was your trip? - It's pretty long, you know. - Any earthquakes on the plane? - No earthquakes. Little turbulence on the plane, but no earthquakes. It was pretty good, dude. Yeah? - Yeah? - Slept a little. Wrote a little. Really? - Yeah. What'd you write? About my Uber driver today. Wait. I took my Lyft to the airport, and turns out my Lyft driver is a fucking trader. Like a day trader or what? - Yeah. And you know what he said? You know what he fucking said? Enlighten us Tenzin. - Yeah seriously, I'm curious now.

The Uber Driver Conversation

Yeah seriously, I'm curious now. He said he drives Lyfts for fun. Lyft for fun. Yup. I've heard this actually. Like Mustafa, remember? He had a, not a developer. Holy shit. (laughing) I was just throwing that in there. Teamwork, baby! Put captions on this shit. (laughing) The Rev will be going crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he got in an Uber actually with this guy who was like a multi-millionaire. At least the guy claimed he was. Mustafa was like \\

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: en- Hey guys!What's up?Today I'm here with whatsdev.Without any further ado,let's jump right into it.This could be our podcast opener, dude.- I like it!- What's up, this is Qazi here,from cleverprogrammer.com.Today here with...- Tenzin from whatsdev.- That's right, and we are here with...- Aaron.You guys know me.- Yeah. Aaron is the man onthe Clever Programmer channel.This is the first episode of,what should we call it?The Qazi show!- The Profitable Podcast.- The Profitable Programmer Show!(laughing)Oh that's actually good.The Profitable Programmer Show!Welcome, everybody.We're gonna start off with talking aboutwhy developers don't get girls.And then from there,we're gonna transitioninto a lot more things.So this is gonna beprobably one of the mostauthentic, transparent, and rawest shitthat you guys have seen on this channel.So if you're under 18,you should probably leave.But, if you- It might get too raw, though.- Yeah.But if you're over 18 an you're excited,let's jump right into it.So, and he's Tenzinfrom whatsdev, you know.I don't know if you guys know that.- Take it easy.- Because he's been offthe map a little bit.But!This guy just opened up hisnew YouTube channel called-- Yeah, I got my firstsubscriber yesterday.- Did you?- Yeah.- This guy started a YouTubechannel for everybody.- Yeah.- Pretty much, that'show you started right?- Pretty much.- Yeah, yeah.- Peer pressure.- Peer pressure is everything.But yours is called, what is it called?- Clever Programmer Aaron.- Nice.- So it's kind of a branchof Clever Programmer,it's not my own own yet.- Fucking RSD.CP Aaron.- Not CP Aaron, Clever Programmer Aaron.- All right, yeah, yeah.- But CP Aaron for short.- Nice bro.I like Clever Programmer Aaron.That's good.So, you just came over here from Chicago,how was your trip?- Good.- How was your trip?- It's pretty long, you know.- Any earthquakes on the plane?- No earthquakes.Little turbulence on theplane, but no earthquakes.It was pretty good, dude.- Yeah?- It was a long flight, you know?- Yeah?- Slept a little.Wrote a little.- Really?- Yeah.- What'd you write?- About my Uber driver today.- Wait.- I took my Lyft to theairport, and turns outmy Lyft driver is a fucking trader.- Like a day trader or what?- Yeah.And you know what he said?You know what he fucking said?- Enlighten us Tenzin.- Yeah seriously, I'm curious now.- He said he drives Lyfts for fun.Lyft for fun.- Yup.I've heard this actually.- Out of boredom.- I've actually heard thisfrom quite a few people.Like Mustafa, remember?He had a, not a developer.- Holy shit.(laughing)- I was just throwing that in there.- Teamwork, baby!- Put captions on this shit.(laughing)- The Rev will be going crazy.- Yeah, yeah, yeah.- But he got in an Uberactually with this guy whowas like a multi-millionaire.At least the guy claimed he was.And Mustafa was like, \"Whyare you doing this, dude?\"- Big fan, bro, big fan.- Yeah, he's like, \"Big fan,\"he's like, \"Why are you doing this?\"and then it turns out that that guy wasdriving the Uber purelybecause he has so much money,he's like a trust fund person almost.He was old, but, he goes, \"I just do thisto meet fascinating people.\"- I mean, that's the best way to do it.You literally get to havea one on one interactionwith like 5-20 people a day.- Dude.- By choice.- That's being very conservative.- And dude, think about it.Everybody that you're meeting is actuallya person who has money,right, like guaranteed.And they have to bethinking at a certain levelto take an Uber,so everybody who's getting in,I just feel like it's doingsomething in their lives.You know what I mean?- Or they're shitfaced andtheir friend bought it for them.- Yeah, I mean, that could be it too.But I feel like,- Also fine.- I don't know, but Ifeel like it's a prettyfascinating way to buildconnections with people.- It is.- You know?Because everybody, evenpeople who are goofy as hell,they'll know people.You know?I don't know, if I wereto become a developerall over again, I'd start driving Uberand build relationships with everyone.- I mean I'm thinking.- Right?- Making money listeningto coding podcasts.- Somebody should make a show.somebody should make a show.- What was the coding podcast we used tolisten to in the beginning?- Programming Throwdown.- Oh my god.- That was good, dude.- Programming Throwdown.- I'm not on your guys' level.I don't know, what is that?- I don't even know if they exist.- Pull it up, pull it up, and maybewe can talk about another podcast.- Do they even still exist?- Like with the reincarnation of it.- All right, so it's calledProgramming Throwdown.- I think it's still there.- We can be like, Programming Throw Up.- Yeah, it's gota lot of ratings, 4.6.- June 19th,Functional Programming,they're still going, baby!I love Functional Programming!- They dropsomething every week, dude.Or every month, at least.They're very...- Typescript.Image processing.- I mean, I don't know man.January 15th and March 4th.That doesn't seem likethey're dropping every,I don't know.You guys are droppingthe ball, it seems like.Somebody tagged them,let's make them see this.- I mean, it has 460 ratings.- You know what's crazyis when I used to listento them, we didn't even have a platform.Now our platform's totallybigger than theirs.(laughs)That's pretty fascinating.- 460 reviews.- Maybe they'll reach out to us and we canget them on the podcast!Dude, that'd be like our dreams come true!- That would be pretty cool.- They're actually really cool,so actually let me just play a part of it.- Hey, I'm Jason Gauci.- Oh, shit!- You feel out of the loop, Frankie?I feel out of the loop.- We can just turn up to this, yo!- Yeah, I remember this shit, bro.It's like-ProgrammingThrowdown Episode 91.- This takes me back in the day.- Take it away, Jason.- Hey everyone, sowe got a lot of feedbackon our interview with __- There's something about it, dude,I just love listening to the-- It's like, chill.Chill and--- Yo, we need an intro song.That's what we need.- That's true.For this one?- For the show.Every time we have a,We need an intro like they do.Every podcast has an intro.- Like an intro, yeah.For YouTube, podcast, whatever.- Welcome to theClever Programmer Podcast.- That music right there, bro.- Which one?- The Clever Programmer Podcast.CPP.- The music.- Which one?- That we found.- Oh, on epidemic sounds?Okay, hold on.Oh, dude, that is sick!Yo, that is sick!- Oh my god.You can even see the size!- That is crazy.So guaranteed you knowthis shit's working.Okay, let me-- That's insane, bro.- That is actually pretty insane, bro.- It even has a, oh my god.- Let me go on epidemic-- You had so many times just fricking not-Like, your thing is on but it's not on,and after 2 hours of hard work.- Yeah, yeah, yeah, recording.- Sweat's coming out,and then you're like,oh fuck I forgot the cord.- Like you'll be thinkingyou're screen recordinga tutorial for coding, for developers,and then all of a sudden you'll look,and it's not evenrecording for developers.- Or it doesn't save or some shit.- I'm just maximizing it, bro.Trying to make this podcastas relevant as possible.Dude, where is it?So I have like right in the feels section.(piano music)- No, no.- So this shouldn't be the opener, right?- What the fuck, dude?- Is this a joke?All right how about this?- You should pick a few andlet 'em choose for episode 2.Like the viewers of episodeone should choose it.- Yeah, what was the last one?Last one, last one.- Okay, how about this?Hold on, hold on.How about this as our opener?Hey guys, what's up?Today I'm here with whatsdev.Without any further ado,let's jump right into it.This could be our podcast opener, dude.- I like it.- All right, let's try another one.Let's let the people choose as well.If you like this one, drop that timestamp.- Number one, number one.- That's number one.Okay, we got another one.All of these have the same formula.See this one, that's my favorite.- No, not this one.Let me hear the drop.- Just give it-- We can skip to it next time, yeah.- This shit's lit, dude.- It's lit, but not for a podcast.- Yeah, it doesn't feel right.- It's very-- It's too dark.- It's almost monotonous.It's not monotonous, but it'sjust the same beat, you know?The rhythm doesn't change.Not a lot of-- Variation.There's not enough pizazz or spice there.- Exactly.- Let me see if I can find-- Spice.We like it spicy, baby.Damn, this guy talking aboutpizazz and weird shit, dude.Pizazz.- We're talking about spices, dog.- Hold on, let me go to...I think I made a...Oh, no, I made epic music.I think it should be in here.What's up guys?- Ooh!This is it!This is it!- This is pretty good.But we gotta change ourvoice to it, be like-- Hey welcome to thepodcast you guys, episode 2.- Hey, what's up guys, how's it going?This is Qazi.I'm here today with-- Does it drop?Aaron.- Aaron Bernath, and?- Tenzin, from whatsdev.com!- Let's get right into it.I think that this needsa little bit of that.- All right.- So you guys can vote, they can vote.- All right.- Every episode, a different one, dude.Everyone's happy, I found the solution.- I think we'll just play it from here.Yeah.All right now let's getto the main topic, boys.Why don't developers get girls?- I got dumped.(laughing)- Oh, Kayla.- Oh shit, you fucking dropped the name.- She might actually look at this.- I don't know man, you tell me.What do you think?- I mean, Aaron is the expert here.(laughing)- I don't know why Ilaughed, I didn't get it.But it was pretty funny, yeah?- It was pretty funny.- You can probably get thegist of it, the context.- No dude, I think I feel likethey don't really connect withpeople that much, you know?What do you think it is?- I mean, I can actuallytalk from fucking experience.- All right, all right talk to me.What do you think it is?Why do you think it's the case?- Well, she's not gonnafucking watch this, but-(laughing)she never gave me a reason,so I actually don't know why,but I just have theories.I was kind of a loser back then,staying up all night playing video games.- This shit just got real.- You know, not talking to anybody,I only hang out with her.I didn't see any of my friends,I wasn't doing anything with my lifeexcept going to school.- Right.- So it's like, justbeing kind of a loser.She didn't even know why, she probablyjust picked up on that low energy andthat kind of social awkwardnessthat I used to have.And then probably in generalterms, that's pretty much it.You go through so many variations,you go down differentpersonalities and whatnot.But pretty much is justa lack of outgoingness,ambition, you're kind of huddled down,you're a hermit, staying up all night,you forget to shower, whatever.Playing games, other things.- But don't you feel like thecomplacency was encouragedin your relationship and then thatended up being the downfall of it?What do you think about-- Wasn't this supposed tobe my first YouTube video?We were supposed to talkabout fucking breakups myfirst YouTube video.- Hey, that's great, that's great.This is not your firstYouTube video, dude.- This is an ongoing joke,this is an ongoing joke.- Yeah, this is ongoing.- Yeah, I think it was, yeah.I just wasn't ready, like just too young.Not ready for a serious relationshipeven though I thought I was.But even beyond that, if Ididn't have a girlfriend,I'd be in the same shit.- How old are you right now?- I'm 24.- How old were you when that happened?- I'm 24, baby.- I just turned 23 like a month before-- 3 days for my birthday, comeon let's get it, gang shit.- So it's been like a year and a half,over a year and a half,so I'm long over it.- I don't know, what areyour thoughts on this?- I think not just developers,but most people suckat dating and relationships,and they don't get girls.Girls.because you know everybody wants 10 or 9.But I think most peoplesuck because they justdon't work on it.They think it's just like a natural skill.I don't even know what natural means,but most people use that, and it's like...You gotta learn that.You have to go through rejectionsand people don't wanna do it.And ultimately I think it comes down tojust being okay withrejections, and most peopleare not okay with rejections.And not just males.- The incessant texting and phone callsversus face-to-face interaction too,the ratio was way off.I would see her once or twice a week,but we'd text everyday for four hours.- Jesus.That's so much content.You know how engagedyour audience would beif you spent 4 hours messaging them back?- Nurturing each otherfor 4 hours everyday!- Well it wasn't like a 4 hour chunk.You were focused on the cater,you weren't focused onthe custom reposition,you were focused on the LTV, baby.- Something like that.- Long term game.- Life time value.- Long term game, you know.- Life time vagina.(giggling)- Something like that.- I don't know where she is now.- So, I don't know I havemixed feelings on it but-- What are your thoughts?- I wanna go back to your point.I think I agree with that yousay people attach their...Most men attach theirego to things like girls.Like most men think theyshould just be good at girls.- They think they are good with girls.- Right.And it hurts their ego otherwise.Just like most men thinktheir good at fighting.- Exactly.- Nobody can throw a punch for shit.We learned it.- Not even a jab.- We learned it by gettingour asses kicked, right?- Exactly.In boxing, jiujitsu, whatever have you.And people also then bringthat over to thinkingthat they should naturallybe good at getting clients.You know what I'm saying?People bring that in into everythingwithout actually practicing and making it.I think people suck, likedevelopers especiallysuck with girls.Because most of them are introverted,and they think they should be good.- And it's so easy to huddledown in front of computers,because the players there-- Because they've been fucking toldthat if you get a degree,and you go to college,you're not only gonnaget unlimited bitches,you're also gonna get jobsand you'll never run out of them.And they think that oncethey get the degree thateverything will just happen by itself.- Didn't happen.Didn't happen like that.- It doesn't.I don't think it ever does, right?- Do you have your degree?Did you graduate or did youdrop out too, like that.- Come on, dude.I was the fucking leader.I was in the fucking...I'm like shit, I don't give a fuck.I was looking at them, I'm like,\"Pretty good, dude, pretty good.Peace.\"- You were the officialperson who was gettingall of your friendsaround you, including me,to quit college, right?- Oh, you were the catalyst.I thought it was you all this time.- But I'll take creditfor getting my friends toquit jobs around me.- What did I do?Nothing.- Well you didn't quit college.But that's okay becausehe's using it very-- You don't have to quitcollege, it's not like,oh, you have to quit college.It's nothing like that.- No, but the problem is that most peoplejust make it their everything.They don't actually spendany time coding on their own.They don't spend goingout trying to get clients.They just make it everything.- That was me, listening to my parents.- They'll find onegirlfriend in their life andthen just hold on to herfor the rest of their lives.- Exactly, it's kind ofgetting lucky, to be honest.But, hot asian.- Oh man, yeah.I feel like it's bad toactually get one of yourfirst girlfriends to be way hotter,like out of your league.- They were both hot.I had 2 long term, 4 years back to back.- I think that's actually a disadvantage.That's like a kid who gets atrust fund from his parentsand now nothing he can-- They don't know thehard way and then whenthat girlfriend dumps him, andeventually she will dump him,because that's just how life works,he doesn't know what to do.- That's where I was, but it ended upbeing the best thingthat ever happened to me.Changed my life.- What? Breakup?Oh, breakups are always the best.- They're the best, man.- Always the best.This guy, my friends, and me.Everybody starts changing when they'rebroke up and moved on.- I put on 45 pounds, Istarted going to nightclubs.I went to fucking EDC.- Just to provide context,he put good 45 pounds onbecause he was skinny like me,so he needed to put on weight.- More skinny than you.- And after he broke up, he startedputting on weight and he got jacked.- How much do you weigh now?- I'm like 150.I was 172 a year ago.But I lost it when I movedhere because I was learninga lot of business stuff and Ikind of fell off my calories.- We were grinding bro.- Bro, how close are we to 1 mil?- Pretty fucking close, dude.- I saw 970?- 970, we're very close.- I mean let's be honestit's already over that.YouTube ads baby, come on man.- Hopefully July we'rehitting our first mil.I'm really excited about that.- Camera guy Frankie back here,we couldn't do things without him.- And I know somebody in the comments isgonna be like, \"Oh my god,they're making so much money.\"We have zero profit, becausewe reinvest into this business.Into those lights in thebackground and into the team.I don't know why but thatwill make people happy,like I know that.Saying that we have zeroprofit, which is true,which is actually true.- You've made 960 thousand,and you've spent 960 thousand.- Right, like all of iton Clever Programmer,it just makes everyone happy.Like there's a few thingsthat just make peoplereally happy when they hear them.I never really understand,but there's a generalconsensus that's like,\"Oh, that's amazing.\"- People just like seeingpeople on YouTube lose.- I think so.- They see GaryVee, theycomplain about GaryVee.They see Grant Cardone, theycomplain about Grant Cardone.Ty Lopez.They complain about everybody.And then when they fuck up-- Then any person whotells them it's possible,they're like, \"Oh, that's a scam.\"But anybody who tellsthem it's not possible,that it's insanely hard,that you need like fourdegrees to even go take a piss,they're like, \"That's the truth.\"You know, so.- I was one of those skeptical people,even to this day sometimes I don't know.Like I know the work-- Oh, you wanna talk skeptical, baby?This guy was fucking-- The biggest skeptic ever.- Humongous.Gargantuan.Fucking truck driver.I was telling him aboutmarketing, SEO, and Ramit Sethi.Okay, Ramit Sethi.If you guys don't know who Ramit Sethi is,you guys should definitely follow him.- Exactly, it's his uncle.- We're not fucking kidding,it's actually his uncle.- I told this guy fortwo and a half years-- Guys, somebody's gonna askme, \"Are you both Indian?\"Somebody's gonna ask me.- Two and a half years, I'm like,\"Dude, that's the guy, bro.\"- Yeah, that's theguy you wanna link up with.- And then one day allof a sudden, he's like,\"Dude, you know, this guy's pretty good.\"- Yeah.- I don't remember ifyou said that but I justassumed it went something like that.- And now 970 thousand dollars later.- Exactly.- Thanks to this Chinese guy.Chinese?Korean?Asian?- It doesn't matter, dude.- You told me aboutRamit Sethi and I didn't-- I didn't believe thatRamit Sethi becauseyou know I was in the same boat as peoplebecause I hadn't made a dollar online.And so I believed everybody who taughtabout making money online was a scam.So I thought Ramit Sethi was not real.I thought Neil Patel was like, hoax.I thought Pat Flynn was alllike, talk, and nothing real.For no reason, literally just becausethey talked about money, Ithought that they were fake.- Right.- And that's preciselythe reason why developersor most guys don't get girls too.Because there are videos online.RSD, right?RSD videos.Ton of videos onlineshowing how to get girls,how it's actually done.Not all that woo woo shit.- Be calm, be nice.- Be confident- Open doors.- Be nice.Like empty surface level..What happened?- No, no, no, not you.It's an inside joke, we burn him with it.We call him Woo Woo Master all the time.Just trying to get under his skin.Because he does meditation stuff sowe keep burning him on it.Today he almost cracked.(laughs)That's Frankie everybody,behind the camera.- This guy's untriggerable.- He's working way too hard there, bro.- He's very resilient.- I got good practice.- You use your left hand-- He got jokes!What?He's funnier than us, heshould be fucking running this.I should be behind that camera.- Yeah.- Fuck, Aaron.I think, one is yes,you can just look up howto get good with girls.Like literally, and study it.Take away all your ego, put it aside,take it in a little box, throw it away.If you don't have results with girls,you need to study it, andlearn it, and then practice it.If you don't get results getting clients,you have to study it,learn it, and practice it.Most people, they spendall their time justeducating themselves, andthen they're just like,\"I'm not getting a job.I'm not getting a job.\"- We've all been there.We've all been there at some point.- Right.- But you gotta work ongetting a job, you know?- I stopped being thereat the age of like 16 bro,because I worked my assoff trying to figure outhow to get jobs.I know you did too, from a very young age,you were hustling and like-- One hundred percentI have more jobs thanevery one of you combined.Combined.- You have done more different jobs thanevery one of us combined.- I would quit jobs like this.Three months, I can't do it.It's just not me.New job, better job.- This guy got a job-- His fucking turn rate was like, what?- This guy got a job as a developer,he quit like fucking weeks later.- As a developer?How much were you getting paid?- 5 days.- 5 days later, bro.- Did you get paid for the 5 days?- I don't know.- He quit right afterthe 5 days he got it.- It just wasn't for you?What are you doing now?I know you have your whatsdev channel.Is that bringing you?- Same thing.- Yeah.- He went through his launch.- I'm just 10 times leftactive, but same thing.- But he literally hasso many less expenses sohe's literally more profitable than us.- That is true.- Like, he has more money than me.- That is true.- And me.- Combined, all of us combined.- And Frankie.- Yeah, actually.All of us.Mom, if you're watching this, I love you.- Right.But, you know, I feel like if they justdetach their ego from it, one.And two, just start going fucking out.Or is that too difficult?- That's difficult, bro.- It is, that's the worst-- He said it is!- It is, but that's the first step.- So wait, hold on, let me get this right.So I don't just after becomingan insanely incrediblePython or a JavaScript developer just geta line of girls just outside my door,and I need to install revolving doors?Is that what you're telling me, dude?- That's exactly-- What the fuck?That's unbelievable, dude.- That's exactly what I'm telling you.- So what do I need to do, man?You're the doctor.You're the love doctor here.- Always have condoms on you.- I got it.- Okay because there's too many girls.You gotta be safe.- Got it.- Mama always said you gotta be safe.- That's right.- And I listen to my mama.- My code is always-- You do as well.- My code is always safe.I write safe code.I make sure that when I'mwriting it in Jinja and Django-- Scalable.- I scape my html, so when somebodyputs something in, they can't attack.I pass a safe filter.- I got you.- That's right.- Injections.- Injections, so the sequel injections.I'm safe against thesequel injections, dude.I'm safe as fuck.- What if it's no sequel?- That's true, MongoDBno sequel, I don't know,then you're starting to lose me.- Yeah, I actually don'tknow much about databases.- That's all good, bro.- He knows about the real shit.- You don't even havea YouTube channel, bro.- Yo, I got one subscriber!- Dude, this guy's super humble,but this guy knows about the real shit.He's like full on-- The fuck you mean, the real shit?- No this guy is like fullon CSE++ data structures.- I know, I see what you'resaying, he knows how to code.But like C++ is the real shit.I'm way past that, dude.Back then, I'm like, \"Yeahdude, C++, if you understandit bro, if you learn it, that'sthe real programming, bro,that's real programming.\"- With pointers and references, oh my god.Assembly, inline, nippesassembly or times 86?Coding Cobalt on my lefthand, Pascal on my right hand.(laughing)- Cobalt on my lefthand, Pascal on my right.Yeah, I don't know,Brainfuck is where it's at.Whitespace.Have you ever looked intoWhitespace programming language?- I have not but I knowabout the cooking language.- Well Chef, I know.There's Brainfuck, which is the hardestprogramming language on the planet.- Pull it up, pull it up.Pull it up.This is recording the screen, right?I've never heard of this, show me.- So Whitespace programming languageis actually pretty nuts.- Don't google thisyou guys, go out instead.- Seriously.So here's what some of the Whitespaceprogramming language looks like.Right there.- That's whyit's called Whitespace?- Correct.- They just did it for fun.- If you highlight-- They were so bored,they're like, \"You know what,let's create a programminglanguage out of nothing.Nothing!\"- If you highlight it,this is what it looks like.- So this is the firstgeneral AI using Whitespace.I'd like to announce it to the world-- This is actually not Whitespace becausethere are lines going through,there's too much code on it.- A little bit, it'sactually yellow space, so.- But look at this, thisis when it's highlighted.This is actually what it lookslike when you highlight it.And it's all based on howmany white spaces you have.- So each line is different character?- Each thing means different thing, right.- So it's literally likecoding one character-- Top programming.Top programming language of 2020.And moving forward.- You know what I wanna make?Top 5 worst programming languages of 2019.Nobody's made that.I feel like that would kill.- I saw one but yeah, not many do.- Right, but the oneyou saw was that good?No, right?But if we made it-- I didn't see it but I'msure it's not that good.- We could make it pretty good, right?- Yeah, pretty good.- Okay, great.Then I won't make it.(laughs)I just need to know, ifwe're gonna make it goodthen we don't need toactually make it at all.Here's another esotericprogramming language.So this is that, here's Brainfuck.It looks a little bit likethis, it's pretty nuts.I mean, I will never understand-- No bro, that's Lisp.Have you not seen Lisp before?- No, it's way worse than Lisp.- Lisp is pretty cool.Lisp was pretty cool.- When we learned Scheme,isn't the Lisp actuallyeasier than Scheme, or was it?Or was it something else?- Scheme is almost like a subset of Lisp.Lisp is like, the full blown.- But I'm trying to remember...Closure we were trying to learn.And Closure actually had a little morefunctionality than Scheme.- Yeah, yeah, yeah.Don't listen to me.Yeah, yeah, yeah.- When we were doing Schemeand then we went to Closure,we were like, \"Oh my god.\"for me, I felt like Closurewas so much easier than Scheme.Even though Closure is hard as fuck.But because we went throughthat book, what was it?- Schemers, Little Schemers.- Little Schemers, right?- Once we went throughthat book, Little Schemers,when we went to Closure,that was actually a joke.- It's the best book out there.- It's the best.- That book was so good.- If you wanna go deep-- So good.- If you wanna become adeeply great programmer,like deeply good, and just dosomething for entertainment,I don't think it will helpyou that much with projects,but recursion,you will understand theshit out of recursion.All right, let me open up-- You will become one with recursion.- Little Schemers.- I don't even know what that accent was.- So here's the Little Schemerswith the little elephanthopping it up over here.You know honestly, when Ithink about my first ex,like back in the day when Iwas becoming a developer...- Is that your 7 year girlfriend?- That was a hard turn, baby.Didn't see that one coming.- That's right, that's whatthe podcast needs to be,you know, just giving people ADHD,like they should justnot see anything coming.- The Logan Paul effect.- And I thought about it and I was like,man the 7 year longrelationship, you know.- Yeah, that's a long relationship.I mean, what's next, 10 years?Holy shit.- Right, that's crazy.And I was in that-(laughing)this guy just burned that guy becausethat guy's in a 10 year relationship.- He just got out of it.- But not really, he'sstill kind of in it.- And if they ever meet in person thenit's basically 11 years now.- We know what's gonna happen when theymeet in person, right Frankie?But anyways, going back to the thing.I felt like I was becoming more and moreintroverted every day because I would justkeep staying at home, andkeep staying with her.- Ding, ding, ding.- Right?And I was just becoming asuper lamer version of myself.Like the version she wanted me to be...She said she wanted me to be,but at the end I found outthat person was kind of like a loser,and she started to figureout that person was a loser.And then it was just kind of crappy.- It's not the relationship,it's just you at the end of the day.It's just ourselves.And when we're not there, ourrelationship's not gonna work,our business is not gonna work,we're not gonna learn programmingand do anything successfullybecause we're in that mindset,and we have a poor people mindset,and an unattractive people mindset,so we're gonna remain unattractive.- Yeah, I wasn't reading books.- All that, you know.- I didn't know anything.- The day we started reading books-- Yeah, I'm like 30 books in now.- We fucking changed.- Audible.com changed my life.- Our net worth, our potentialnet worth was compounding.- Like crazy.- We sat on compounding interest.- That's actually a reallysmart way to think about it.If there was a graph, andlet's say in our life,our potential net worth would just go onto be like this at the age of 65,after we started reading books,it started fucking goinglike this dude, it's crazy.- And knowledge is justthat potential power,right, whoever said that.So it's like potentialnet worth just goes up.- Until you execute on it,so your potential goes up.- You execute it, itbecomes kinetic, you know.- And then execution is waiting on it.- Physics bro, I like this guy, shit.- Yeah, this guy's smarterthan he looks, too.- He dropped out ofcollege, he's fucking smart.- I look that dumb?Fuck man, fuck.- No, you just look that good, seriously.I tell this to my girlfriend too,all the time because she looks super hot.And so I'm like, \"You'resmarter than you look, baby.\"She gets super offended, but I'm like,\"It's literally because you look hotter.\"- Yeah, that's the issue.- That's the problem.Because she throws me offwith her intelligence.I never expect it.- That's the best kind of person.- Yeah, seriously.- Now that I think about it, yeah,she does look smarter than she looks.- That's right, she issmarter than she looks.That's the thing.This guy, he's smarter than he acts.Because he's always acting goofy,but this motherfucker is smart.- That's getting a little deep butI'll pretend I understand you.- The first time he told methat, I was dying laughing,because I was like, I lovethat someone gets my identity.- Yeah, because he's really smart,but he always just acts goofyand he plays around a lot.For example, just the other day,I've known him so much, right.For like 10 hours a day I've known him,for the last, like, 5 months.Like literally 10 hours a day.I know him more than I know my girlfriend.- Same.- There you go.And this guy, I justfound out, like last week,Frankie and I found outthat he's a drummer,and he's been drumming for 13 years.- When are we jamming?Let's go tomorrow tothe studio, let's jam.- All right.I'm not good at drumset,but like percussionist, like I can do-- Oh, okay, okay.- Like I can do differentkinds of drums and shit.- That's still pretty cool.- Drumset I can kinda...- That's still pretty cool.- All kinds of drums and shit.Taiko drums.- Yeah.- I was in marching band!- I was pretty good at the real drums too,like the real drumset too._ I could figure it out.- You know how I know he's really good?You know how I know he's really good?- Cause he doesn't talk about it?- He doesn't have one single pieceof content online about it.(laughs)- That's how I know he's really good.Anybody who's really good,they're so judgmental theynever put out content.You always know they're the best!- Like that perfectionism-- That's right.- Comes out.- That's right.My girlfriend is incredible at boxing,she doesn't have a single-the one video she has-- She just has one view?- No, the one videoshe had on her YouTube,she went two years later and deleted it.The one she had about boxing.- But now she has one?- Because of me.I posted it, you know.But she's a perfectionist.I'm not a perfectionist.I just posted somethingthat wasn't even that great,but I just put it out.- Right, right.That's why I love you, bro.- Yeah.- You're the balancer, you know?I'm fucking, all the way to the extreme,and then you're like \"Bro!Bro, that's the wrong way dude!You went too far!\"- \"Ground yourself!\"- \"Come back!\"- \"I touched the butt!\"(laughs)- Yeah.\"You went too perfectionist.\"But, the cool thing that happened wasyou know that other girlthat I was talking about?He was talking with?He did get to make out with her.- Don't fucking bring that up.- I know, I'm sorry dude.- It doesn't matter dude.You're 24?- Yeah.- Dude you'll be 26.- Do you know how deep in your contentshe would have to be to watch it?We're like 30 minutes in.- Yeah.- If she watches thisit's totally worth it.- Just don't drop the name.- I'm not dropping the name.It rhymes with HariKari.(laughs)- I would...- I'm fucking kidding.- I would drop the name,but I don't know it, so.- Yeah you don't know the name.- Come on, tell me.(laughs)- I'll tell you right now.- Oh shit, it's not-(whispers)- Yeah, so that was great.So you made out as a developer.- It happened.I got lucky for once, right.- No!No, fuck that!We had like a six hour long conversation.- We did, and that helped.- And yeah.You went in there with a plan.- I went in there with the-- Your plan of attack.- With the right belief system, yeah.With a different belief,that's all I needed.- What was the belief?- That it was okay.- What was okay?- And that, it was okay to try,and if it didn't workout it would be fine.And it's fine.- Wow.- We're still good friends.- And we know that she'sgonna be leaving, right?So once she leaves, wouldyou be happier now with this,what took place, or wouldyou be happier if you neveractually stepped up and took action?- I'd be happier that I tookthis step, improved myself.She knows that too, I told that to her.- Yeah.- And she agrees.- It just makes everyone respect you more.- It just had to be done.You gotta rise to the occasion sometimes.- That's right.- It never ends.It never ends.- It never ends, you know?- It's a beautiful thing.- So, what's the solutionfor a developer who's like,\"All right man, look, youguys have stuck the knifedeep enough into my wounds,this is not feeling great,I'm not feeling great,(laughs)watching this content,I'm about to shut it off.\"- Oh shit.- \"You guys have gone toofar. It's gotten too real.\"And the developer's justlike, \"Fuck, this is it.\"But he has all the emotionalleverage in the fucking world,he's ready to fucking take action now.So what's the next step for him?Like should he just start goingcrazy, start going to clubs?Like, what the fuck?- Probably, right?- I'm actually a believer thatyou need some kind of ventto give you enough emotional leverage,positive or negative, thatyou don't have control over.- Yeah.- Like almost depth, right?- Yeah like a lot ofpeople, it's break ups.That was for me, a lot of myfriends who got in break upsthey turn around and nowthey're making fuckingsix figures drop shipping in Chicago.I have a couple of friends who did that.People whose family members died,like if the father passed awayor the brother passed away or something.Anything that will spikeyour emotions enoughit'll snap you out of yourshit and interrupt the pattern,and then you can actuallycommit to something differentfor long enough for it to become,at least a bit of a habit,and then you can-- Git commit.- Exactly.That's so fucking nerdy.But yeah.- This is a nerd show, bro.- I'm just trying to keepthrowing in something relevant,you know, because theywon't get the girl thingyou were talking about,or we're talking about.- Well they might.We don't know who's watching this.- \"Git commit.\"That's true.- Girls could be watching this.- Hi!- Girls help us.- Dude I have a lot of RSD fans bro.- If girls are watching this,drop in the comments howguys can actually win.- Yeah.- How can they win this game.- Yeah.Like when we walk up to you,you want us to be a man,not a little boy whosescared of shit, right?So help us.- Some wise old men oncesaid that you shouldnot take girls advice from girls.- Yeah that's true.No.- Yeah, yeah, yeah you really shouldn't- I don't know.I don't know if it was right,but I'm just putting it out there.- The quote goes as such:If I want to catch fish,do I ask the fish or the fisherman?- Wow!- That's right.- That's the quote.- Whoa, bring it in baby girl!- That's not even aboutguys picking up girls,that's also about girls picking up guys.Why would you ask guys whenyou could ask a girl that's-- Whoa, this guy is throwing bombs now.- I don't even know what that is.Is that some Chicago stuff?- That's Asian wisdom bro.That's Asian wisdom striking hard.- With the jazz hand finger swipes.- I do all of it.Like you know, you play guitar, you know?- Ukulele.- Ukulele.- Ukulele.- Finger picking.- So you don't ask girls, so.Okay what do you do?- You can ask a girl forher singular point of view,but for overall success with girls,you don't wanna ask any singular girl.- Correct.I agree.- That's what I'm trying to say.For any single girl,you need to respect whatshe independently desires,because she does know what she wantsand what she doesn'twant more than in generalwhat girls would likebiologically, and guys too.- Right.- Is that where you got it from?- What?- Biologic?- No, I got that.He picked that up from me.- He picked it up from me.- Okay.- Nothing can change like 240years of evolution, right?There's some shit we can't change.- Right.- But.- If a bear jumped on you,you would be frightened.- Uh-huh.Unless you're-- If a earthquake started automatically,you would be shook.(laughs)- Right?- Come on.- And if you approached agirl without giving a fuck,she would be infatuated.- Wow dude.Those are probably that,the best sentences thatcame out of your mouth, bro.Wow!- Can we write that down?- And it rhymed!- There's a whiteboard right there.(laughs)- This is like thesecond coming of Christ!(laughs)He has the beard and everything.- Brown Christ!- I mean, some of these thingscan be really that simple,and I feel like people, we just go onand we over complicate it.So, where does a developer start?Does he start in the Instagram Dms.(mumbles)(laughs)- Is that where a developer starts?- I think you startwith the Python scriptlike Tinder swiping.(laughs)- Swipe, swipe!- Automated Tinder swiping!- Face detection!- If eyes Asian enough, then swipe right.- If eyes Asian enough,age over 18, under 35!- Yeah.Mouse click, drag left.Mouse click, drag right.- Over 18!(laughs)- Under or equal 35.- If width to height ratio of eyes.- Threshold!- Can you make a dictionary?- Oh my goodness.(laughs)- Can you make a dictionary of,you know, their waist to height ratio?- Loop through it?- Like, busty.- Yeah, exactly!- Loop through it.- Oh boy.- She should look like a squiggly bracket.- Oh god.- And did you notice I said dictionary,because Python you know.- Come on!- Come on, man.- You know my audience man.- Awareness game, come on baby.- You know my audience.- Shit.- The only thing braces areuseful for are dictionaries.- That's correct.- Yeah.- Yeah so okay, I start off,so let's say I start off,maybe a script, that's funny.But I am a developer, andthis is a real problem.What do I do?Like really, do I start off with Dms?Maybe that's the easiest way, right?Start off like messaging?Like maybe a colleague that I wastoo scared to do anything with,and I'm thinking I mightactually start off by,because right now a lot ofpeople don't have that courage,so like what if they just started off byreaching out to one of their colleagues,or a friend in schoolthat they'd see in college or whatever.Because a lot of them are 18 to 24,and they could just start off by going\"Hey, do you wanna graba coffee this week?Wednesday at 7:00pm at Starbucks.\"Could that be a possible start?- Yeah, even just asking the questionis a step in the right direction.- That's a brilliant text, by the way.It's brilliant, you should use it.And then you can thank me once it works.But if you just sent it right now,like, let's say, athousand people watch this.How many will take actual action?Probably five, right?- That's being very-- Very generous!- Very generous.- But five.Out of one of them, I promiseyou out of those five,one will get a response beforethis video actually ends.So if you pause right now.- 20 percent conversion rate, baby.- That's a 20 percent conversion rate.That's how good this text is.I promise if-- What was that text again?- A lot of you, the text-- Well, rewind it.- But the text is literally this,it's very simple, okay?Reach out to like, yourcolleagues or your friends,any girl that you you like.- Enjoy the company of.- You enjoy the company of.- Not even has to beromantically, it's just like.- Right, you enjoy the company,and you want to meet.And this could actuallywork with clients as well,like this is phenomenal.It works with girls andclients, or potential clients.But reach out and just say,\"Hey, do you want to hang out, this week,Wednesday at 7:00pm and grab some coffee?\"Sit down at Starbucks forlike 10 minutes, five minutes.Something that is very limited in scope,and you're meeting in a public place,and it's calm, and it'scool, and it's chill,and that can just be your,you know, in on gettingmore comfortable with this.- It's so funny, I can alreadyimagine so many people just.- Contemplating- Being, no.Not even that, not even there yet.Being so uncomfortable,- Right.- Even hearing this.- I know.- Even hearing it, because they're like,\"A text like that?\"- Yeah.- \"It doesn't sound like a pickup line.\"- Right.- \"It's a shit pickup line!\"- Yeah.- \"What pick-up line should I have?\"- Or it might even make them cringe.- Tennessee, what's that?- The ultimate pickup line.- You know the Tennessee, the ten I see?What is that pickup line, bro?- Are you from Tennessee?- Yeah!- Because you're the only ten I see.- I'm gonna use that.- My name is Raj, butyou can call me tonight.(laughs)- That works for a lotof my fans in India.Let's go baby, India gang.Here to pick up some beautiful women.So I think really maybe startoff with something simplelike that, you know, liketexts, and that's pretty simple.But I know, like, a lot ofpeople watching this would justbe cringing right nowbecause they're like,\"Man, this just sounds...\"Honestly, I don't eventhink a lot of peoplethink that this would ever work.- That's what I'm saying.They're uncomfortable hearing it.Like doing it and actuallythinking it's gonna work?No, nowhere close.But here's what I thinkthey should do, okay?It's very simple.- Yeah, let's start with simple.- It's not about just-and there's a thingabout learning the skillto be better with girls,but, it's just being a better human, dude.- Right. Yeah.- You work on your finances, you workon your inner self confidence,like doing good shit.You're gonna be good with girls,because here's the thing, right.You might even be bad with girls,but because you're a person who's like,you know, who's alwaysstriving to do good-- Right.- Ultimately you're gonna find a way-You know when we were backin high school or whatever,we sucked with girls.We were terrible with girls.We're not like, we didn'tgo \"Oh, you know what,I'm so bad with girls, girlsnever pay attention to me.\"And then stayed there.No, we just kept going at it,and we found out simple pick up.And we're like, \"What? It's that easy?You literally go in front of the girland take off your pants?(laughs)And that's how you open?Wow.\"- That's a great opener, by the way.- Because who does that?- \"I can do that!\"\"I can do that!\"- That's actually,seriously, like real talk?That's actually really good.- And, after that, we're like.- Fuck yeah, bro.Get rowdy in this bitch.- And, after that we're like,nah, this is not enough.This is still not enough.- RSD...- That's right.- That's where the real stuff's at.- And we kept getting better at it,because we were willingto, you know, take action,and that's only becausewe're always strivingto be better, right?Always striving to be be better.It doesn't matter what it is, likegirls, career,- Chess, coding.- Chess, coding, guitar, music, ping pong,whatever it is.- Business!- Exactly.- Podcasts!Videos!- We've always figured it out.- Be cool!- How to be cool.com, nextcourse, bro, next course.- Does that website exist?- I'm gonna launch it.- Launch a course on it.- That's right.- It's this podcast.- The same skills that are stopping youfrom being able to datethe girl of your dreams,are probably the same skills that arestopping you from getting a client.Are probably the same skills that arestopping you from getting a business.Are probably the same skills thatare stopping you fromreaching out to whatsdevand never getting a reply.Or somebody else, right?Like, those skills take time, you know?I don't know what will havea better ROI on your life.If you're having problems with girls,I don't know what will have a better ROI.Actually trying to meet more girls,or maybe read Rich Dad, Poor Dad.- The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck.- You know.- Mark Manson.- A must read!- Yeah.- You wanna be better with relationships?You have to read that.Not a dating book, read that.And then you can go to dating.- And then yeah, you can dive down deeper.That's a good starting point.That's actually one of thefirst books I started with.- That's what I'd recommend to everybody.They're like, \"Tenzinwhat book should I read?\"I'm like, the Subtle Artof Not Giving a Fuck.- Yeah, it puts you on the right path.It opens some doors.- And it's not just one ofthose books that are, like,did you want to say something?- Yeah.- He's on the-- Hold that thought, I alreadyknow what you wanna say.- I love that book becauseit's not just one of those,you know, books written in 1973.That's still really good advice there,but it's not relatable.- I saw that guy convert kids.I saw him talk.- Yeah you said that.But, this book is like hip as well.The narrator?- Yeah he's cool.- Mark Manson?- No, no, no.- The audio book?- Yes the audio book.- Is it not narrated by the author?- No, it's not.You have to listen to it,you have to.- Yeah I listened to it.I just don't remember who narrated it.- I don't remember hisname, but he was so good.He was so good.- Right.- You have to read that book.- Pulling it up on my Audible right now.You might wanna punch in on this, Frankie,once I pull it up.And you guys haveprobably heard of it, but.- Yeah.- It is narrated by Roger Wayne.- Yes, Roger Wayne.- It's this book.Can you zoom in on that, Frankie?- I don't thinkhe can zoom in that far.- By Mark Manson.Read by Roger Wayne.- By Roger Wayne.- No?- Okay.- Chapter one: Don't Try.Charles Bukowski was an alcoholic,womanizer, and a chronic gambler.- When that's the first word of a book,you know you're gonna learn something.(laughs)- \"Charles Bukowski.\"- Yeah.- Okay, he wanted to saysomething, let's hear it.Tell them!Tell the people!- Okay, here's what it is, right?I think everybody has theirflavors of the book that they like,I fucking hate this book, personally.But I think that.- No, no, no, verbalize it.Like why do you hate this book?- Okay, okay, so I don't likethis book because, for me,it's a little too mopey.It's written by a personwho's really depressed,and I just-- You'd be surprised, dude.- When I started listening to it,I started really going down, you know?Because I tell you always,I've got enough dark in me,I need to read- the same reasonyou like 48 Laws of Power,and there's nothing wrong with it,I fucking read two chapters and I'm like,\"Man, I gotta stop reading this shit.\"And I went to 10x, like Istarted reading 10x again.I get the same vibe from this book,and my heart just starts togo in this weird dark place.And I get the whole Buddhistphilosophy behind things,and I really appreciateit, but personally for meit doesn't get me going, you know?- Got you, got you.- And I really listenedto it, I gave it a shot,but for me, the ones that work magicalmost every time is like, 10x.- Got you.- Works every time, really helps.And then-- It's a great book, as well.- Yeah.- Yeah 10x is a great bookto, like, hype you up.You need a dose of testosterone?There you go.- But that book, you know thecrazy thing is it hypes me up,but it's one of the booksthat gets me to take the mostmassive amounts of actionI've taken in my whole life.- Right, it's like-- Personally .- It's like a dose of,you know, testosterone.- In word form.- It's like, \"Let's go! Let's go!\"- Yeah, like a lot of my coursesthat I actually made back in 2016,in October of 2016 I made33 videos in October.Produced 33 videos.That was my highest producing month, okay?I wish I produced at that level forever,but that was when I was readng 10x.- Then you'd be called Gary Vee dude.- That's right.- There can only be one Gary Vee.- I'm getting close to it, you know?Some people in the influencer communitiesare making fun of me.They're like, \"This guy is like Gary Vee.\"And then that guys commentsgot 16 likes on Instagram.So he was dissing me but I was actually,that was the biggest compliment.16 people agreed on.I'm like holy shit!Like Gary Vee talks to me one time,and now I'm being compared to him.Man, I'm flattered.You know?- Yeah, Belarus andPakistan are close enough.(laughs)They've both got the hair on the chin.- It's funny, I used to hate-- Where is Belarus dude?- It's right next to Russia.- It's right next to Germany and Ukraine.- Ukraine, okay, okay I know where it is.- Guys can we talk about Chernobyl?Let's switch it up.- Dude!Oh my god!- Well Frankie and I havenot seen the 5th episode.You finished it without us.- Don't run it for thepodcast people either.- I know, I know.- How was Chernobyl guys?Whoa, almost died there buddy.- You go first.(sighs)- Before you say anything,did you guys watch itbecause of my recommendation?- You and my brother.- Who said it first?- You said it first, I think.- No, no no, I think my brother.- It says if it's such a crazy thing.- He seeded it, he seeded it.- My brother said it first,then I came to Chicago-- They just flipped the script on me.- No, here's what happened.My brother said itbefore I came to Chicago,then you told me and I reallytook your recommendation to heart.Like yours actually, becauseI was there physically,and you kept fucking hammering,it actually had a lot of impact on me.Probably more than,because my brother spentlike one second telling me.Then I came back to L.A.(laughs)I came back to L.A.- From Argentina.- Argentina.And then I survived- no, from Chicago.And then I survived the 7.1earthquake with this guy.- And Frankie.- And Frankie.- We were all here together.This light was shaking.- Right, let's put the clip from my phone.I have the clip from my phone.This earthquake is literally crazy.- Yeah bro, butthis shit can fucking-- Oh, the fuck is this?- That's what it sounded like.- All right, all right.And then, basically what happened was,after the earthquake I was like, dude.We were frightened, and we're like,\"The best time to watch Chernobyl is now.\"So we started watching Chernobyl.- Frightened.Vulnerable.- It got 9.7 or something.- Insane.- I would say this ranksabove Game of Thrones for me.- I've never seen Game ofThrones, so I can't say.- Damn, that's crazy boy.- Yeah.- Especially after season eight?110 percent.- Bro.- All the audience members are like,\"Yeah! Season 8 sucked!\"- Oh did it suck?- I can just imagine them.I won't say anything, bro.It's just my personal opinion.You might like it, you never know.- You know, that guy's accent?- Which guy's accent?- In Chernobyl?The old guy with the big glasses?- Yeah.- I fucking love his accent, dude.Like his voice and the way he speaks.- Yes.- Like his inflection and everything.- Yeah, there's an intonationand a rasp to his voice.There's like a...- Radioactive.- Yeah, yeah, yeah!I can't even pinpoint it but there's a-- Graphite!- Yeah!- Graphite!- There was graphite on the floor.- There was graphite on the floor.I don't know how to speak like him.He's really tough.Who are the other guys in that show?Oh, the old guy!He was badass too.- The old guy?- \"Comrade!\"- Here's who's the bad ass, okay.- The naked miner.- Yes!The naked miner.The fucking leader, oh my god.- Oh my gosh.- He's just walking up with his dick out.- He had so, like hisballs were so massivehe had to walk like this.- He's like, \" So what?\"- His legs have to get out of the way.- And then when he walks away from themhe's just butt naked, he's like.- Yeah he's just getting back to business.- He doesn't give a fuck.- Saving millions, whatever he has to do.- The naked miner, ourfavorite part of this show.Dude, should we call thispodcast \"The Naked Miner\"?- Just do it, dude.Just do it.- Welcome to The Naked Miner.- The episode!- Naked Miners and Virgin Developers.Something like that.- Yeah, sure.- Or maybe NLP, Naked Lovely Programmers.- That was random, but sure.- Neuro-linguistic programming.- Exactly, play off that, exactly.Neuro-linguistic programming.- Is it \"nu-ro\" or \"neuro\"?- Neuro, I think.N-E-U-R-O.- Okay.- You know, anotherpart I liked a lot was,he's like the guy comes in the suit,and he goes, \"You gotta go.\"And he's like, \"Where, why?\"And then that guy's like,\"You have to go, it's orders.\"He's like, \"No but he's going anywhere.\"And then the policeofficer with a gun is like,\"You can't talk to us like that!\"He's like, \"Shut the fuck up.\"He's like, \"You're gonnahave to shoot us all.You're gonna run out of bullets.And then when we're left,we're gonna beat the piss out of you.\"And then the guy in the suit freaks out?Oh, that scene was good.And then every one of them that'sleaving starts to go likethis with their dirty hands.- Yeah, yeah.- They're like, \"Now you looklike the minister of coal.\"(laughs)- Okay, we're gettinginto too many spoilers.We're gonna a timestamp,and then we're gonnasay get to this point.- That's not a spoiler,that's just like a scene.- I don't know some people might be upset.I would've been upset by that.- That's not a...- Like cool little moments.- Put the courtesy.- That's not like Game of Thrones,like Khaleesi's the mother of-- Skip to the timestamp because we'veliterally been touchingon nothing but Chernobyl.- They shouldn't bewatching shows anyways,they need to freelance.- Yeah, unless they have an earthquake.Then they can watch it.- Yeah.- That's why we watchedit, that was great.- You know, bro, StrangerThings new season is out.The Dark new season is out.- I've already seen it.- Both?- Yeah.- Which one was better?Don't tell me a lot more.- I'm kidding, I didn't see Dark yet.But Stranger Things was good.- Bro, I looked up Darkand my brother went crazy.My brother said Dark destroyed.- Season two is way better.- I heard it's way better.- You didn't watch season two, right?- I didn't, but I heardit was really better.- My brother says it's way better.- See? I knew, I knewwhat he was gonna say.I read your mind, dude.- Ever episode is like9.3, 9.7, 9.5 on IMDB.I'm like, \"Oh, I can't wait.\"- I wanted to watch it so bad.- Dark is like Stranger Things but darker.And my brother said season two of Darkfeels like the extension of Chernobyl.It literally feels like it'sthe sequel to Chernobyl,because it starts out inChernobyl, and this show,when Chernobyl happened,this is what I'm saying.- Didn't you buy a book about Chernobylafter we watched the show?- Hold on, hold on. They saidthe time got warped in the-- Don't say anything! Anything!- No, it's not spoilers!- He's already sold, he's already sold.- But I'm saying it's from Chernobyl,like whatever's happening, oneof the causes is Chernobyl.This is from season one of Dark,bro, this is not even anything new.- Okay, I got you.- Isn't that crazy.I know you want me to stoptalking about it, I'll stop.- That's where Chernobylwas, like that nuclear...- Yeah, they're showing it literally,my brother said itliterally starts from 1986,like right when Chernobylhappened it starts from there.So my brother's likeit literally felt like.- It's true, 1986, 33 years, 2019.1953...- And then if you watch Chernobyl-- Whoa, 33 years!- You know all the details.- And they say that, in Dark,they say that its a wormholecreates a multi-dimension,and so not only does thepast impact the future,but the future impactsthe past and the present.I was like, \"Yo!\"- Wait, you didn't see season one?- I have.- Okay, okay. But isn't that crazy?- Yeah.- That's crazy, bro.I gotta watch season two.- It's based in 20-- I wanted to watchseason two so badly, okay?I started, there were somany things that I forgot,I was like, \"I can't do thiswithout watching a recap,or at least skimming through season one.\"So many things.Like season one, even afterwatching it completely,I had so many questions.- Really?- I had so many questions.You didn't have any questions?- About season one?- Yeah.- Oh yeah, millions.- That's what I'm saying.(laughs)- I've never heard of this show.- What?- The Dark.- It's hard to hear about it.- Is it Netflix?- I told you about it a longtime ago, when I discovered it.I told my brother about it too.- No you didn't.I remember exactly.You told me, but I hadwatched it three weeks before.- Oh shit, okay. I toldmy brother about that shitbecause that shit was crazy.And this thing, here'sthe right way to watch it,for everyone who wants to watch it,there's only one right way to watch it.If you fuck this up the wholeshow is gonna be ruined.It's gonna go from a 9.5 to like a 2.2.Watch it in German dubsaudio should be German.Because that's the show, it's German.Subtitles English.This is the only way to watch it.If you watch it in English,it literally like it'll drop for you.- Whoever watches it in the dubother than the languagenative of that show-- It's so weak.- It just takes away from that-- The power.- That power.The rawness.- Yeah.- It just takes away from so many things.I can't.Same thing with anime., Idon't get how people watchJapanese anime in English.\"Oh my god!\"- Yeah, yeah, yeah.- What!- Yeah, they're like \"How are you doing?\"- Yeah!- You know, it's almost likethat scene, where he's likeYou're gonna translate thatto \"How many men were there?\"Like that doesn't have the same thing.- \"How many men were there?\"- I mean that's still pretty cool,but like usually it doesn't translate.- It's not that cool.- Yeah, like that has power to it.That was an Urdu/Hindi thing.- Yeah.- You're not that Asian, dude.I'm Asian on so manylevels, you have no idea.- Can you speak Chinese?I'm Asian with five languages.- I get that English is not Asian,so that makes it four languages.- You can speak four languages?- Five languages.- Wow.Hindi and Urdu are the same thing so I...- I'll take the credit!- Come on, man!- I'll take the one-up, you know?- Cause the guy speaks Hindi and Urdu.- Really?- Yeah, I can read too.This guy can't.- You can't read Urdu, right?- Read what?- Did you learn it from him?- I can read Urdu andI can read Arabic, son.And I can recite Arabic.- But you can't read Hindi.Okay, you're not Hindu, so I got you.You're not Indian, I got you I got you.That makes sense.I can't blame you for that.- I can write in impropergrammar, what can you do?(laughs)- Yeah most Indian people can't likeread Hindi at all or Urdu.Like Paki people?They can't read Urdu like they canjust understand it a little bit.- I mean I can read it.- And then I tell, I'm readingthe lyrics, because we went,a few weeks ago we went somewhere,and then on our way back fromthe Lyft, it was a long drive,and they just put on some Bollywood shit,and I'm like,I would just read the lyricsoff of some lyric website.- But in English.- No, in Urdu.Like, Urdu or Hindi.And I was reading Hindi, of course.- You can read Hindi?- I can write, too.- You can read Sanskrit, becauseyou trained in that shit.- Yeah, I can write too.What do you want me to write?- \"What's going on, bro?\"- Write \"Breh.What's going on, breh.\"- I'm kidding, I'm kidding about that.Just say, \"What's going on Aaron?\"- Yeah.- Or, \"What's going on, homie?\"- Write my name in Hindi.- Just say, \"What's going on, man?\"Like something like that.- Yeah.- It's like- literally it's like- Okay, just say, \"lookunder the staircase.\"- That sounds pretty...- That's...- Is that a Harry Potter Reference?- We have all the weirdest shit.- What does that even mean?- It doesn't mean anything,bro, it's just provocative.Gets the people going.- Oh my god, that's from a song, right?- \"Ball so hard,motherfuckers want to fine me.First they gotta find me.What's 50 grand to a motherfucker like me?Can you please remind me?Ball so hard, that shit cray.\"- That shit cray.- Coding all day man,know what I'm saying?That shit went viral.(laughs)- Beat drops.- That should be the intro song.- Dude, that went viral.I don't know if you know that,but like, look at this shit.Multiple developers did this.They literally sent me this video back.- Oh shit.(rap music)That's insane.- Isn't that nuts?- That is insane.- Literally coding all day.- \"Way too damn long!\"- And this is another developer.- Holy shit.- \"Coding all day man.\"This guy's going crazy coding.- With one hand.(laughs)- Yeah.- What is he doing with his left hand?- Command space.- What is he doing?- \"Coding all day.\"- Get ad, get commit.- Toggle a side bar.- Literally the only thingyou need to know about Gitis git-add, git-commit-mfollowed by a message,and git push origin master.And git pull origin master.Like, you know those four commands.- Like, initially git clone, maybe.- And usually I do git inityou know, to start off with.- Yeah.- Like you have those, you don'tneed anymore Git than that.Like very few is like, gitreset hard head, or head hard.That one is one of the most important onesthat most people don't know,but that one is usually neededto like go a commit back.And other stuff thanthat is fancy, but like.- Yeah like git statusis just a- like git diff.Just like little flashes.- Git status is really important,yeah git status is pretty cool.- Git diff, git stash.- We just keep adding one thing.- We'll just keep adding.- It's always like that with Git.It's like, \"Oh, you only needthree, you only need three.\"And then you're like, \"Oh,that is pretty useful.\"About five, six are pretty useful,those will get you about 98percent of the way there,and then other two percentis like extra stuff.- Or the git gat.- But Git is not GitHub.Can we clarify that andmake people understand that?Git is not GitHub.- You go ahead, bro. Knockit out yourself dude.- Yeah.- I have explained this so many times,I don't wanna explain it.- Yeah, it's too much.But Git is not GitHub.Let's just leave it at that.- Git is not GitHub.- Git is not GitHub.- It's like saying,what is it like saying?- That's a pretty hard comparison.- Django is not Python, but, no.Python is not Django,but Django is Python.- How about this?- Like a subset.One uses the other.- Git is like a time machine,and GitHub is just like-- A time machine in a cloud.(laughs)- GitHub is like Dropbox for code.In like, simple terms.- Exactly.- GitHub is just where you put the code,it's just where you store the code.It's like Google Drive for code.- Yeah.- Right?Git is like a time machine.It allows you to go back and forward.If you fuck up, it's like a memory cardwhen you used to play videogames when you were a kid.You got a memory card, you know?You fucked up, you die, yourestart it from somewhere.That's Git.That's all it is.- I always thoughtGitHub was a web browserGUI version of Git.So like it's just.- That's not what it is, that's the thing.- That's not what it is?- That's not what it is, that's the thing.- That's what I've always understood it.- No, but like you knowhow in Google Driveyou can go in there and italso has the ability to,if you're in an Excelsheet in Google Drive,in Google Sheets, you knowhow you can go back in time?Right?Just because it allows that functionalitydoesn't mean Google Drive is Git.See what I'm saying?It just allows the functionalto go back in time and shit.- I think he's more confused now.- I know, I know.I can see his face.- You upload your code, you can click-- Git is not GitHub bottom line.- GitHub is like GoogleDrive for code, that's it.Git is a time machine.(laughs)- You know it took me a long timeto come up with that analogy.It was a lot of hard work.That's why I keep sayingit over and over again.- It's a time machine. I mean,yeah, that makes sense, too.- Really is a time machine, right?So, that's about it, that's about it.- That's a doozy on that one.- All right, any last words?- How long are we at?We're sitting at anhour? Just over an hour?- Go out more!- Go out more.- Be a better human being, okay?- That's right.- And that's it.- That's pretty good.- That's really it.- That's pretty good.- Like if you just go outmore, not do crazy stuff.You don't even have togo RSD simple pick up,anything like that.You don't even have to read adating book or whatever, okay?Just, like...pursue your goals, don't give up...and read books.That's it.- That's great.- That's it.- That is great.- Yeah. That's really it.- Wow. Any last words from you?- Like work on your foundations, you know.Everything will come to you.- Okay, last words from Aaron.- Well, yeah, similar idea, but like.If you're not, the one thatreally stuck with me was like,if you're not embarrassed bywho you were six months ago,you're not changing enough.- Yesterday, bro. Sixmonths is way too long.- I mean, six months islike a good chunk for like-- I know, I know I'mjust fucking with you.- A significant chunk.- All right, all right,let him finish his comment.- I know, I know, I know.- All right, go ahead. Six months?- That's literally it.Yeah, like, what you'redoing now is the resultof what you were doing six months ago.- That's pretty powerful.- Yeah.- I like that.- Yeah.- It's enough time to beembarrassed by a previous self.- And yeah, you're notashamed to admit it.In the moment, of course,you're not gonna be like,\"Oh, I'm a fucking loser right now.\"I'm not gonna dive into everything.But you'd be like, \"Ohyeah, six months agoI had these problems, but they're fixed.\"- Right.- So.- Yeah man, that's insane.- It's a lifestyle, it'snot a fucking diet, so.- Really is.- You just have to commit to it.- Yup.And on my end, I will literally say thatif you either wanna get moreclients or better dating life,honestly just go out more.Even if you you're not going out therewith the intention of goingto, like, pick up girlsor whatever, literallyjust on the weekends go outwith your friends andjust have a good time.Like learn how to enjoy socializing.Go to meet ups and enjoy talking.- Meetups.com?- Meetupscom.Don't just go there to network.Don't stay in your basement orin this little room forever,for as many hours as possible,and then the only time you need a job,you out to networking,and then you hate it,and everybody can see fromyour face that you hate it.And then you go aroundhanding out business cards,desperate to land a job,because now you're in debt,you got out of college,you don't have any money,and you need to get this job.Everybody can read that from your face,but instead, if you love theprocess, you develop this habitof going out consistently,you enjoy socializing with people,not only will all your girlproblems will get solved,but you will build enough relationshipsto actually be landingjobs as a developer.That's how he got a job as a developer,that's how I got all my clients,it was through relationships.That's how Aaron was able to connect,and work with Clever Programmer,and do everything he does.It was through relationships.They're super, super powerful.- Yes, two Facebook peoplewe me today at VidCon.- Two Facebook engineers, yeah.- One working there for eightyears, one for five years.- Wow.- The one for eight years,he went to Berkeley,and he couldn't find a jobafter applying to a hundred,but one simple connectiongot him into Facebook.- Listen.- This is so painful, listen.- A Berkeley grad.- Please emphasize it.- He applied to hundreds of jobs.- Got one response.- And kept going!And kept going.- Yup.- Yup.- Most people apply totwo jobs and they're like,\"I can't get a job, I can't get a job.\"- Me personally, I wouldnot be on this channel.- Yeah, they just cry, man.Everybody just cries toomuch, bitches too much.But, go ahead.- I had the same exact issue.I'm currently a graduate studentat Georgia Tech right now,and I applied to 50 jobs,and I got three responses.One was in Compton, andtwo I was uninterested in.And, that's when I reached out to Qazi,and then I ended up here.- From Instagram, dude.- From the connection.From the connection to him.- This guy reached out to meabout 84 weeks ago on Instagram.Then reached out to me againabout 40 weeks ago, 50 weeks ago.- Because I met him face to face one time,and that held more weight than beingat one of the top schoolsfor computer scienceand applying to 50 jobsin a city as big as L.A.,which I thought wasabundant with opportunity.- Yup.- But, a little bit harder.I mean my resume mighthave been different.- How long have you been working here?- Five months? Six months?Just over five months.- How long do you feel?How do you feel?- How do I feel now?- Yeah.- Amazing.- Working here for six months,what do you think aboutthe decision you madeworking here for six months?Do you think...?- The best decisionI've made since my move.The break-up, the move.Qazi, Clever Programmer.- .com- Turned into my testimonial.- That's right.- I mean, arguably I could've gottensimilar experiences from other locations.(laughs)but, Qazi's not bad.- There is the truth.That's the truth, guys.I think that whether you went here,or you went somewhere else,you would get real world experience.- Yeah I would be working on adifferent skillset right now.- You get real world experiencewhen you do real world things.So, I wanna emphasize twotake-aways from these two people.The big takeaway from Tenzin was apply-that guy applied to a 100jobs to Facebook engineer,and never gave up, that's very powerful.Most people start bitchingand moaning way before that.- Berkeley grad.- The important take away thatAaron was trying to conveywas that that guy was a Berkeley grad,and from a 100 applications,he got zero jobs.The only place he got the jobfrom was from a relationship.- And that got him into Facebook.- That got him into Facebook.- Not some random company.Facebook.- He was hiking, by the way.That guy was hiking when hemet the Facebook clinician.- He was hiking when he gotthe Facebook connection.- Yeah, Frankie was there with him.- That's insane!He was outdoors, not inhis fucking basement.- That is insane.- Even today, in the Lyft,while I was in the Lyft,if it was like 10 years ago,I would not talk to that Uber guy.At all.I'd just be like, \"Hey, what's up man.\"And I would just be on myphone or doing something else.Now, every time I take Lyft,I make it a fucking missionto talk to the guy andfind out more about him,and that's how I knew he was a trader.And he has YouTube channels.At first, when he said, \"I'mactually pretty good at it,\"I knew he was good because hesaid it in a very humble way.Not like the fakehumble, like real humble.- Humble confidence.- Because so many people-Dude, you're a humble guy,dude, what the hell are you talking about?- Wrapped in arrogance.- Did you just hear what I said?- Yeah, \"It's on my YouTubechannel.\" Jesus Christ, so calm.I would freak the fuckout. Like repeat that.- Bro, what'd you say? YouTube?Did you say YouTube?He's like, \"Yeah, yeah, yeah.\"And then start's spelling it out.- I don't know whypeople are just so calm.- I whip out my phone, I'm like,\"G-H-G-I-T-C-H\" or something like that.- Jesus.- Can we pull it up?- I forgot, but I couldprobably go in the history.- It's fine.- It's gonna take too long.I pulled it up, dude, I kid you not.I'll show you later.$1700 in six minutes.The title was, \"Watch me makea quick $1700 in six minutes.\"And it's a live trading,it's not like fake shit,fake screenshots or whatever.It's live trading.Not just one video, allhis videos were like,\"Qatch me flip $3600 in 17 minutes.\"I'm like, \"What the-\"And then in the beginning Ididn't believe anything he said.After I saw all of those, I believed him.And then when he said,\"yeah I just drive Lyftfor fun, man,\" yeah.I'm like, \"Wow, wow.\"- He's driving Lyft for aposition of fucking power.Jesus.(laughs)- And that's what I wroteabout, on the airplane.Because the experience wasso... different and crazy.- Oh, from Chicago.I got it, okay.- During my flight, allthe windows were down,curtains were down.What do you call them, windows?- The plastic shades?Shutters.- Yeah shades or whatever.I just went, dude.I never wrote in-flight.That was the first time I wrote.- The productivity is crazy right?Because there's no internet.- Yes.- And there's no form of communication.- I had internet.- But that internet sucks.- No, I paid.- I paid too, but that internet,besides like, maybe texting?I don't know about you,but I can't watch YouTube or anything.- Really?- Maybe it depends on the airline.- You tried?- Yeah.- You could do YouTube?- Yeah.- You sure.- 1080p.- Dude every internetthat I've ever paid for,$8, $15, $20.That's funny.- Mine was $16.- Yeah, even that much...- Really?- But okay, that's cool.Awesome.- I was playing chess, I was playing-you know chess needs a lotof bandwidth or something like that?- That is absurd.- It needs high speed internet for that,and I was playing without lagor lateness or anything like that.- That's brilliant.- Satellites, yo.- That's brilliant.- But maybe I just got lucky, you know?- Correct.- We were just flying over a specific partwhere the internet was lit.- So talk to me. So you wrote?- Yeah, I just wrote about it.Yeah, because...- For yourself, or doyou post it somewhere.- No, just journaling.I have a list, I have ideas, whatever,and then publish or something.But I just put everything ideas.- But the main thing is thatyou actually startedspeaking with this guy.- Exactly.- Who you would've never thought,and then you ended up buildingthis incredible relationship,and you were like holy shit.- Yeah we exchanged numbers too.I'm like, \"Let me get yournumber before we left.\"- Right.- And he was happy to give it to me.- So the Facebookengineer is met in hiking,and this brilliant guy is met in an Uber.- Lyft.You're good at this shit dude.Come on.- Natural, he's a natural.- It's fucking Qazi!- First podcast and he'sjust keeping us in check,he's like, \"Yeah, yeah come on dude.\"- It gets old after fivemonths, right Frankie?(laughs)- Fuck you Woo Master!- How to start a podcast!- This man, Frankie andI keep each other sane.Either of us in isolationwith him would've died.- You know that's actuallypretty cool, their relationship.They're almost like brothers.And he's the older brother.- But he's younger.- It's almost like he's the older brother.- Who's the older brother?- He's almost like hisolder brother, you know?Like their connection, now,over time, the dynamic.- Oh, okay.- After five months, everytime they're working.- That's pretty beautiful.- Whenever they're working onediting a video or something,it's like both of them areworking on it and going hardcore.I love it actually.- I saw them setting everythingup, I was like, \"Wow.\"- They're brilliant.- It felt warm.- I know, yeah.- Some things you can't explain it?It just can be felt.So I felt it, see what I'm saying?- I felt like a dad.One time I was leaving,and I was like, \"Allright guys, love you.\"And then Aaron was like, \"Oh, fuck you!\"And then I closed thedoor and I was smiling.- Fuck you dad!- But he was just joking, and I need that.- Somebody's gonna get hurt!- When I was leaving I was like, \"Man.\"I felt pretty warm.I was like, \"Damn, that'sactually pretty cool.\"- Yeah, I left a great message.I was like, \"Fuck you!\"(laughs)- He just fucking tookout his anger on me.Yeah, so.Basically, whether Uber fucking guy,or whether it's the, engineer.They're gonna be outside, man.They're not sitting inyour goddamn basement,so get out out of your fucking basement.- No matter how good your resume is,one random connection whileyou're doing something fun is way better.- Like everybody-I got a message today, and it was like,\"What would you value a CS degree?\"And I had my Instagram right here,and I was zooming in to my face,and I went like this and I was like.And the video ended,and I got so muchbacklash on my Instagram,but I fought everybodyin their fucking Dms.- Right.- And...Basically it's gonna give youa lot of pain to hear that,that it's worth zero,but it's actually not even worth zero,it's worth negative $40,000.- If you go to a normal school.- I'm actually being nice.- But if you go to private,you know, lead level schools,it's like $300,000, $200,000.- Yeah, negative $300,000,negative $200,000.John Sonmez made three milliondollars from Pluralsight.I'm about to make my firstfucking million, so like.You know?This guy has made multiple six figuresfrom fucking coding, okay?So have I from justcoding and freelancing.There are so many developers.Brad Hussey, right?This guy is making halfa million dollars a year.- Yeah, something like that.- Right?- He's doing a lot.You know he's on Instagram now?- I knew he was on Instagram,I've been messaging him on Instagram,that's where I met him.- No, I'm talking about ads.- I didn't know about that.- Ig and Facebook ads.- Brad Hussey.- That's dope.That's actually dope, I didn't know that.- And I saw his video.Pretty good video.- He's gonna make great videos, I'm sure.But like guys, this isthe world around you.We need to wake the fuck up.A Harvard graduate isn't evenmaking that much money, you know?But it's what everybody's goal is, right?We met a developer today,and he's happy making$1500 or $2000 a month.He's way more than happy.- What, Facebook engineer's making $1500?- No, no, no, not Facebookengineer, it's another one.But he freelances, and he travelsaround the world with his wife,and he's worked with some great companies.Apparently we can't saythe name of the company because it's...- NDA, whatever.Sure, sure.- Right, whatever, right?So he's working on some great company.Let's just say it's acompany like Docker, okay?Pretty good company, Docker.- Sure, yeah.- Or Heroku.- $2000 a month?- He's freelancing, he didn't say exactlywhat the number was, but theway he spoke, I got the vibe.I don't know why the fuck everybody'strying to hide their fucking numbers.What the fuck is gonna happenif you just fucking tellanother person how muchmoney you're fucking making?What is this bullshit?I never understand it, okay?If you're making $2000 a month,somebody asks you just tell them,\"I'm making $2000 a month.\"- Or, make more money.- The only people who hide their moneyare people who are veryinsecure about who they are,they tie all their identity to the money.Those are the people.And you know that they'renot making any money,they never wanna tell you how much money.- And because of that mindset,they'll never make money.- You'll never make money.Because you already havethe mindset of hiding stuff.If you hide stuff, you'll lose.The only way to win is byproviding so much value,that sometimes you screw yourself over,but in the long run, you'll win.But people, when you askthem these type of questions,and they hide, you generally knowwhy they're working at theplace they're working at.But anyway, I askedthis guy multiple times,straight on, directly,camera pointing at his face,\"Exactly, monthly, what is your income?\"And he's like, \"Well...\"He's like, \"If you were traveling in Asiaand all these othercountries, you'll be making-\"He's like, \"You'll be makingaround $1500 to $2000 a month.You're gonna be living apretty great lifestyle.\"By which I understood it to bethat he was making around$1500 to $2000 a month.And he said, \"Not only doyou get to keep the money.\"- Maybe he just does a part time.- Right, he is working part time.And he said, \"You get to keep profit.\"He said, \"You get to even save money,and you get to enjoy yourself.\"- That's actually pretty smart.- And you get to enjoy yourself.- I don't have any problemwith people who have jobs,people who go to college.- I don't either.- No problem whatsoever. If you are happy-- Yes.- With your work, you'repassionate about it,and you have all your needs fulfilled.And at the end of theday, if you're happy,like actually happy,and you feel fulfilled?- Right.- It doesn't matter, dude.You can have a job andthat's perfectly fine.- That's correct.- That's perfectly fine.There's so many people in thisworld who have jobs right nowat this very moment who arevery happy with their jobsand look forward to going to their jobs.But, here's the thing.Most people don't like their jobs.- Most people hate their jobs.- Hate their jobs, exactly.They dread waking up at whatever timeand they dread doing everything,and they still stay atthat job for like 15 years.- Right.- Now that?That is...- I never understood, what the fuck.- For a 10 percent raise.- For a 10 percent raise.- That's a one dollar raise a year.- And they go crazy over that.They get crazy over that.It's how people go crazy over coupons.They go nuts.Five dollar savings fromsome crazy complex way.They go fucking lose their goddamn minds.And I never understand whythat happens with people.But, like, it breaks my heart.You know my thing is,yes you can be happydoing a full time job.You can be happy going to college.It's just that if youknow what you're doing,and you know why you're doing it,and then you're doing it anyway?That's okay.- It's wearing off.- What's wearing off?- Keep going, keep going.No, no, no keep going.- Oh, I know what's wearing off.Okay, so I'm thinkingthose are the only people-If you know what you're doingwhy you're doing it, that's okay.But, if you want a certain thing,then you're going to college,but that doesn't map to what you want.- Right.- The high income, the free lifestyle.The multiple job opportunities.It doesn't map to what you want?That's the only time we're saying-We're not even saying \"drop out\"we're just saying, just reevaluate.Most people have their parentspressuring them to do something.Most people have somebody,their external pressure.Their friends are gonnalaugh at them or whatever.So if they just take the path,instead of taking the road less traveled,if they take the samepath as everybody else,then, even if they get shitted on,they're okay because atleast nobody can tell them,\"I told you so.\"- Right.Right.Exactly.And here's the thing.The sad part...When you do something, here's the thing.Everybody has a passion.- Correct.- When I was in high school,I wanted to be a musician.- Yup.- And I wanted to playguitar and everything.- This guy plays sick ass guitar,he has a beautiful fucking voice.He's literally a legend.- All right dude, come on, dude.- And he'll never talk about itbecause he's fucking Asian, just like you.And he's an incredibledrummer, 13 goddamn years.I can't play any instruments, I suck.- We know.- But I can play blindfold chess.Shut the fuck up Aaron.(laughs)- I wasn't taking part in this dude.What was I talking about?I said something about, the sad part.- The sad part.- Yeah.Everybody has a passion.When you do something thatis against your true belief-- Right.- For an extended period of time,that belief slowly goes away.- Huh.Damn.- And you die.- Damn.- You die.Literally, your soul dies.And that's why people,after a certain point,they're so numb to it thatthey don't quit their jobs,or their relationships, or whateverbecause they haven't solved it,but it's like almost \"solved,\"in a negative way, you know?- Dude, it's like what theysay happens to elephants.- Exactly!- When the elephant is a little baby,they tie a rope aroundthe elephant's foot,and then the elephant can't break away.You know about that, right?And then, the elephant can't break awaybecause that elephant is a baby,but then when thatelephant becomes a giant,he can break the shit out of that rope,but he never even triesbecause he thinks he can't break away,because he remembers when he was a babyhe couldn't break it.- Isn't that fucking insane?- He never even tries.- His identity is stillthat one day old elephant.- Yup.- And that's true with people as well.That's very true with people.And you have to fightyour demons, you know?If you don't fight your demons,sooner or later thatdemon will fuck you up.And when that fucks you up, you're done.- Yeah.- Then it's really hard to come back.- Our demons are crazy, bro.Our demons are crazy.Like this guy?He's so fucking goodat so many things, but.- He's Asian, bro.- He literally has physically speaking,he has trouble verbally saying it.Or, like for example, he'sgreat at drumming, right,but the same reason hedoesn't have YouTube contentaround it, because he doesn'tthink he's good enough,but he's a fucking beast, I bet you.And I feel like there are also peoplewho mentally undermine themselves.I think he's super talented,but I feel like he sometimes,like, undermines himself.- Exactly.- And it comes from childhood, right?Because our parents, even whenwe got As, A+s, they're like,\"You got only 98. Whydidn't you get a 100?\"- My parents did that shit, yeah.- When you would get a 100,my dad would look at the paperand it's way different fromhis, way different, way harderlike 10 times harder,and he would look atthe essay or whatever,and it's 100 percent, everybodyelse, not 100 percent.He would look at it and justgo, \"Look at that handwriting.\"(laughs)- Only my mom's Asian.- It echos in my head to this day, bro.- Nothing is good enough.- \"Look at that handwriting.\"- That's the definition.- Nothing's ever good enough.- My mom?Even when I got third, she'dbe like wow, you got in third.Like top three she's okay, you know?Top four, no.Top four, still not good.Not enough for Mom.But top three is enough.For Dad?Nothing was good enough.So...- You know what they say?- What did I do?- No, I'm actually adding on.- Oh, okay you were lookingin a very suspicious way,you know?Staring at me.- They said...Excellence is accepted,and greatness is tolerated.That's the framework of certain parents.- That's a pretty fuckedup way to raise your kids,you know what I'm saying?- It's pretty fucked up.- I mean, I'm glad they did so...- You know, my biggesthack that I discovered?You know, like the lowexpectations shit that I do?And it's like my ultimate hackthat just gets me goingin all areas of life?I figured this shit outat a young age, okay?- Son, you did drugs?Aww man, thank God, Ithought you killed somebody.- I thought you killed somebody!- Or you got a guy pregnant or something!- Got a guy pregnant!That's fucking hilarious.That's fucking funny, that's funny.What I started doing, Irealized at a very young agewhat had started happening, I got Cs?They cried.I got Bs?They cried.I got all As, one class Igot like a A- or like a B,they were like, \"Why'd youget a B in that class?\"They just ignored all the As.I'm like, \"This is fucked.\"Like I can never win.And the only reason I got those gradeswas just to see their reactions.So then I realized thatnothing I did mattered,so then I started doing the opposite.I started getting Fs and Ds,I came home late like, in high school.I started coming home at like2:00, 3:00am late every night.My parents hated me for this period.They were like, \"You're coming late,what the hell's wrong with you?You're not getting your grades right.\"But I just systematicallykept chipping away,chipping away, chipping away.But what I was really chipping away atwas their ridiculous expectations of me,and bringing them down.Bro, now?- That's like a win.- Bro, now?It's like if I just call themand they just find out I'm alive?My dad starts fucking crying of happiness.- Right.- It's a beautiful experience.I, at a very young age,stopped giving a fuckabout their opinions of me,in a very respectful way,just so I could be freeto do my own thing.- Right.- Whereas my middle brother, I love him,but he couldn't be free of that.Maybe it's circumstance, maybe it's luck,all those things combined.I'm not gonna take that away.Sometimes you can get lucked out, too.But I chipped away at itbecause I realized thatthis game is just rigged.This game you're always gonnalose, with those parents.Always gonna lose.And so, I gave up on it,and now my relationshipwith parents has never been better.Like many, many years later, right?I'm 24 now, I've been fuckingchipping away at it since I was like, 13.- Right.- So it's like, 11 years of hard work.And, now, I go back andliterally anything I do-Like they found out Ihave a white girlfriend,and they would've flipped.I brought it up on the phone.Did I tell you?- Yeah you did, yeah.- Yeah.- I have not heard this story.Continue, continue.- This is crazy.- So my mom and my dad, theywere like, \"Where are you?\"I'm like, \"I'm at the airport.\"They're like, \"Where are you going?\"I'm like, \"Argentina.\"They're like, \"But weren't you supposedto come to Eid, like, with us.\"And I was like, \"No, I'm actuallygoing to Argentina with my girlfriend.\"My mom flipped on the phone, bro.My dad came, both ofthem were going crazy.But because, to them, I'm such a dumbassand I do so many crazy things,like jumping off the planeand shit, which intheir mind is like nuts,when I went back to mymom, my mom just loved me.My dad just loved me,because now their barrier is,\"If this person isalive, we just love him.\"But as a result, I've beenthe best version of myself,I've been the most confidentbecause I got to make my own decisions,and I became much more successfulthan if I was just living under their roofand doing everything that they said.So like that whole low expectations thing,I do it in everything.I'm like, \"I'm gonna do this crazy shit.\"And you guys are like,\"What's gonna be the result?\"I'm like, \"I'm gonna get two subscribersand it's gonna be fucking unbelievable.\"- And isn't it crazy?That shaped your identity.- It did.- Like that's insane.That little thing.I mean it's not little, but...When you don't think about it,it's just like, oh it's insignificant.- Yeah.- But... Every day.- Yup.- For years.- Yup.- Yeah.- This guy does it with everything.He's like, \"Hmm, let me think.\"- Yeah.(laughs)- Yeah dude, I tried tochip away too, I'm with you.I tried to chip awaybut I would get aroundhouse kick, you know?So, that would...I didn't chip away.I wasn't successful until like17, and then I started to.It started to work because I was here,and I was like, \"What, there's a law?\"- Yeah, protecting you?- Emancipated, baby!- Yeah, and that's the thing, you know?This is where I say luckand circumstance has to play a role.So like, I just got alittle bit more luckywhere my dad and momwouldn't start beating me up.I mean I went to religiousschool for four years,that was like torture chamberfor like four years straight,but my parents never actuallybeat the fuck out of me.And so that, I had the roomto do that, you didn't.You didn't, right?If you had tried, your dad would likefind you and kick the shit out of you.- Right.With love, of course, but, you know.- Always, always.- Yeah.- I mean, we got kicked every day,like when my dad kickedme it's like, yeah.- It's another day.- It's just another day.- He still loves me.- Yeah, but.Yeah, so that's fucked, right?And then it makes it really tough for you,but then we have like different thingsthat take place from there.Like your standard of excellence is more,the work you put in toachieve that excellence,your inner drive, actually,when you actually dedicate it to somethingit's gonna be more thanmine, because your dadtrained you in what some mightconsider a fucked up way.But I just look at it likeit just is what it is.- It just is what it is.I used to look at it ina fucked up way, too.But now, it's just.- Because of that, his intensityis one of the strongestI know, and you also havereally high intensity.That's why I always say that you remind meof my friend Tenzin whenyou're actually in something,you both have a high level of intensity.- You sure it's notbecause we're just Asians?- It probably could be that.- Oh, okay, okay.- Kinda racist dude.- But I think parental pressurehas to do something with,I could be wrong, but Ifeel like parental pressurehas to do with the level of intensity.That's why so many Asian kidswith like insane parents-- I 100 percent agree.- Like, are beasts.- Just like I said, thatshaped your identity,what your parents did.With you, and then the same thing with me.And I'm sure the same thing with him.- A little bit different.- But, the pattern is still the same.The why, the root cause of everything.I think for most people, it is,because you're a little kid.- Yup.- You get morphed into whatever.- Yeah malleable.- Whatever you see.You see something, you'relike, \"Oh, let me try that.\"You look at your dad,you're like, you know what?Let me try that.And for you, your twobrothers, your older brother.You had a balance sheet,like trial bounds.- Yeah.- Yeah, you were third try.- That's right.- What's that called?See saw.- I was the best mistake ever made.- Balance.- Like, when you look at hisolder brother, it's like,\"Hmm, that's pretty good,but that's not that good.Lemme go to the other side.\"- Yeah, yeah, yeah.- Younger brother, \"Mmm, that shit's lit,lemme try to be more hip, you know?Oh, leather jacket, ohyeah, okay, cool, cool.\"But that part I don't really like,so let me balance that off, you know?I gotta be a little more disappointed.And then that perfectlybalanced out, dude.- That's right, that's right.- And that's how he grew his beard.- And then I just stole it from.(laughs)And then I'm like, \"Hmm, interesting.I like it. I like what I see.\"And I'm like, \"All right, all right.I gotta talk to this guy.\"- Our influence on eachothers life is probablymore influence than anybodyhas had on anyone ever.- Ever.- Right?- You guys met in undergrad, right?In community college.- We met in community college.- Hearing that word is so weird!Undergrad?- Undergrad.- Oakton!- Cause you were about tosay, \"No, no, no,\" right?- I was about to say, no, like.- High school, high school, high school!- Undergrad?- Yeah!- That is undergrad.- Yeah, that is undergrad.- That's crazy!And we met because of chess!- I was at Oakton Community Collegewith a 2.0 GPA making six figures.(laughs)- How many times have you written that.- Like a lot.- A lot.- A lot, dude.- Like how many times haveyou typed that copy out.- Because you know, onceyou keep saying the story,you keep saying it so much.Like Gary talks about his story.- It's good.That's how you become a great speaker,because you just speak a lot, you know?And then you also becomea better copywriterbecause you have all thesethings that you memorize,and after a while you don'thave to use your brain powerto memorize these things, youcan go think of something new.- When I write ads it's patternrecognition at this point.- I believe it.- You know what I mean?It's like not even that much thinking.- I know, I believe you.- Yeah.- I've seen you do it.But man, this was a good podcast.- This was great.- It was.- This was actually phenomenal.- I mean, we had a lot of...We covered a lot of topics, but you know?I liked it.- A lot of ground.- Yeah.- I love.- A lot of false starts,a lot of false ends.- I went from like having,in the beginning energy,to like no energy, and then high energy,and then low energy.- He was like a wave, yeah.- You had really good energythroughout, that was great.- No, your energy wasthe best, you know why?- Thanks bro.- Because yours was constant.- I appreciate it.- Mine's like, you know-- Some topics are lit, you know?- I mean you have tobe like that, you know?- Back to reality, back to reality.- You have to be likethat to be a podcast host.- Yeah.- Because I'm not gonna do it, fuck that.You think I'm gonna do it?Fuck that.I'm probably not gonna doit in my own podcast dude.(laughs)I'm gonna be the one goingoff on tangents like,\"Tell me about that part!\"You know?- Right.People like that too, dude.People love that.Everybody has all kinds of podcasts.- Sure, but I don't like it.- Your current...- No, I go off on tangentsa little too much.- I'm kind of in the same boat.- That's why you saidyou're the same as me, huh?- Yeah, that is the issue.- All right guys, this was phenomenal.All right, bro.- I don't do handshakes dude, come on.Come on, baby!- Frankie? Frankie!All right guys, no, no keep it rolling.Is it rolling?All right guys, thank you so much.This was the first.- Ever!- Kind of official podcast.Let's call this theProfitable Programmers Show.We had Aaron Bernath,who's our product developerat Cleverprogrammer.com.We had Tenzin Phuljung,aka Zennie, founder of whatsdev.com.You can find him on YouTube,he has an Instagram as well,let's pop his Instagram,let's pop his Instagram.And you guys know me, this is Qazifrom Cleverprogrammer.com.Here's my Instagram if you wanna follow.But if you enjoyed this podcast,please show it some love,we really would appreciate it, we beg you.And, begging is kinda weird, but whatever.- It's kinda weird.- But whatever, I'mpretty humble, you know?I'm kinda humble.Anyways-- You are pretty humble, dude.- We would really appreciateif you actually gave it a likeand subscribed to the channel,and if you're hearing this somewhere else-- The notification bell.- The notification bell.And if you're hearing this somewhere,like on Spotify or something,and you wanna stay tunedand you wanna hear more of this,because we kinda gotraw and stuff on this,like drop in the commentsbelow what was somethingthat you liked about this,or some kind of feedbackwhat you thought about this,just so we can get your help.And I'll jump in there,and I'll respond toevery single one of you,just so we can get yourhelp crafting the next showsto something you wannahear, you would enjoy.We wanna bring you value.You are really the host.We are just working for you,and crafting this for your needs.- Fucking Mahatma Gandhi.- I'm Gandhi, that's right.- The second coming of Christ, right?- With that said, thank you guysso much for watching, we love your face.- We do!- This is:- Tenzin from whatsdev.com,and we will see you... oh.- This is:- Aaron from here.- And this is Qazi, and we will see you-- In the next video!- Bam!\n"