Intel's Strategy: Drawing Our Own Conclusions

As we discuss Intel's strategy, let's take a step back and draw our own conclusions about what was happening behind the scenes. Since we're doing this ourselves, feel free to come up with your own answers.

Micro Transactions Poll

We pulled up an old micro transactions poll from earlier in the show. Fifty dollars is how much is it acceptable to spend per year on microtransactions? Alex, how much per year is it acceptable to spend on a fifty dollar game? The answer was "nothing" with 38% of voters agreeing that spending up to ten dollars on a fifty dollar game is okay - it's a little treat for yourself. Canadian, that's like six rubles. Meanwhile, 31 people thought it was best to stick with zero dollars, and 22 people believed it was acceptable to spend between 50 to over a hundred dollars on microtransactions.

Subscribers and Floatplane

Those who aren't subscribed to our channel won't know about this yet, but Brandon is going to be working on a first for our channel - a smartphone camera roundup. This means we'll be doing in-depth phone camera testing, which I've never really done before because, frankly, I'm not qualified. It seems that the camera was a topic of discussion back when he did Pixel 2 and iPhone 8 reviews, but now Brandon is going to do a dedicated video, probably next week or maybe the following week. This time, he'll be picking apart these phones to figure out which one has the best camera for your dollar. And, yes, it seems like we're considering using DSLRs as well.

Brandon's Thoughts

It turns out that Brandon doesn't hate smartphone camera commentary; rather, he hates when people talk about how good smartphones are at capturing images in situations where a dedicated DSLR would be better suited. He also mentioned that thousands of articles have made the iPhone seem like the best tool for certain tasks, which isn't always true. So, we'll see how Brandon does with this project and what kind of insights he brings to the table.

Pixel XL

Brandon jokingly referred to the Pixel XL as "the pixico." It seems like this could be a good name for our dedicated server - just think about it: Halo You Can Just Host A Dedicated Server. We can discuss that further another time, but for now, let's wrap up the show with Brandon's dedication and how he'll bring his camera testing skills to our channel.

As we conclude this episode of The Bad Show, remember that we'll see you again next week, same bad time, same bad channel. And yes, I'm ending the show on a terrible joke - "what's the baddest grammar?" It seems like we can just host a dedicated server if we want to.

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great topics for you guys today topic number one where is luke which is i'm sure the only one that you actually care about at this point because this freaking can you take those off i'm not taking them off oh you have to take them off i feel like jc denton he's not using the laser okay so ed can you can you came up for us for a second here can you just show them what the heck is going on such that james figures he needs wow thank you i'm sure glad i had a professional camera operator do that that's much appreciated so that right there look at that he knows how to use the focus ring and everything i'm holding it so that right there is our new laser cutter and these no no no you can't wear them the whole show let me tell you the whole the whole sunglasses during a tech video podcast thing has been done no one likes it my vision is augmented have you even played deus ex this is sick this is harsh i have played hold on a second which one is uh specific wavelengths like yeah it cuts out all the bs and leaves you with awesome no can you no no can i at least just continually put them on like periodically throughout the show you can only keep them on for a maximum of 30 seconds at a time deal okay and and they have a 10 minute cooldown 10 minute cooldown by the way yes i have played deus ex um but i only played the widely regarded as kind of crap sequel invisible invisible war i actually enjoyed it having not played the original and never playing one since i i actually really enjoyed it so i said yeah do you really really not want to miss uh yeah i really don't want to miss badminton this guy's trying to send me on a freaking also you didn't center our camera way to go ed or did he no not quite it needs to go a little bit more towards james thank you he's trying to send me on a business trip during my badminton night i get one night a week one night a week when i get to go out and do something fun and this guy wants to send me to where where are you trying to send me la yeah one syllable cities that's two syllables la oh all right so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today um gigabyte responded via email i hope i hope i can talk about this i think it was kind of a it was kind of a statement um so they responded via email to my um question about exactly what the heck is going on with motherboard or with coffee lake performance from motherboard to motherboard and i've also heard from asus so we'll be talking a little bit about that um activision has patented a technique for social engineering micro transactions in games i love it it's way more evil than it sounds and it sounds pretty damn evil so that should give you some idea what else we got oh i can talk now yeah yeah yeah ah reportedly apple has cut down production of the iphone 8 for november and december buy a large margin cut down cut got cut axed and a pixel 2 xl color issue that linus may or may not have experienced i actually want to know we'll get there you know what i haven't okay yeah you know why don't we roll the intro we'll talk about it later we'll talk about it later wancho and we'll also do that first topic i promised where is luke i'm wearing the sunglasses now with the 30 seconds doesn't count until the intro hey you have one fan kavor x95 likes you lots of people like me yeah let's not get ahead of ourselves you have one pen that's not true oh do you want me to send you screenshots uh dar bullets james just know uh-huh that guy doesn't count that's a child uh die wolf laust where is luke um that's because he's pleasantly surprised to see me uh zen walrus says you're sick and i think he means like disgusting not like good nope that's both those are both good to me those are both good to you sponsors i forgot we were still on the intro the intro screen there i don't know how ed managed how hard is this okay this much frame it's like there's like this much extra i i always tell the camera people i'm like can you center the arm in the frame and they're like yes and then they don't do it i think they're just messing with me i think at this point people are actually just screwing with me when they do things wrong um all right so why don't we get into coffee like performance first have you have you heard about this have you seen this yes i read it so it comes down to a feature yeah that is enabled by default on some boards but not enabled by default on others yep so uh asus statement was actually i'm gonna have a quick look at my email here and make sure that this is on the record um because it's one of those frustrating things where sometimes we actually we actually know more than we can say because industry contacts don't want to get themselves in trouble mind you there's a pretty funny story actually about asus and being sort of on the record when you thought you weren't on the record no no no no put them on no no put them on i'm not going to i'm going to put them here uh being on the record when you didn't realize you're on the record and saying something that kind of threw intel under the bus we'll get to that later but um first up yes i actually asked do you guys have an official statement on the whole auto overclocking thing so the whole discrepancy between it was especially visible in heavily multi-threaded tests like cinebench between you know one reviewer's results with coffee lake and in others where people were getting up to like 300 point differences in cinebench seems to have come down to some motherboard manufacturers most notably asus enabling a feature by default on their boards that effectively overclocks the cpu right out of the box running all of the cores at the maximum turbo rather than just one or two or however many were supposed to be enabled at that particular speed so i asked and this is my subject line so i think i've absolved myself of any responsibility for this being something that can't go out to the public for an official statement from asus on the whole auto overclocking thing uh but i actually you know what i should probably talk about gigabytes statement first so they proactively sent this to me and they're basically just like good luck no no i can read this they're basically just like hey i uh just watched your rant show that's that's cool gigabyte watches the lan show like you guys are the lan show you guys make the news i'm just like blah blah blah like this about it um just wanted to comment on the variants and scores there's been some discussion over intel turbo policy and enhanced multi-core performance i'm sure you are aware this is a feature that pegs all cores at the max turbo frequency so in the case of the 8700k this is 4.7 gigahertz across all cores now something that's really happened over the last couple of generations of intel's turbo boost technology is that the difference between base clock and max turbo clock has increased a lot so it used to be that if you had a multi-core enhancement feature and you just boosted everything it was just a little bit and the reason they've done that is so they can get higher efficiency better battery life stuff higher efficiency cpus overall yeah basically so the idea is that intel's going okay well here's what we're comfortable rating it for when all the cores are operating and we want to tune it better and better and better for lightly threaded workloads so you can get more performance out of just like a game that only utilizes one or two cores or any other single threaded application so you can but they wouldn't have rated the cpu for 4.7 gigahertz on all the cores at the thermal and at the power consumption targets that they have so there's going to be a stability issue there and that's what this uh person from gigabyte is hinting at yeah the reason they don't don't put it on by default there's potential for a stability issue because it is in effect overclocking and it produces more heat and so this is why our 8700k review had our chip consuming a lot of power compared to what we might have expected and we probably should have investigated that further so we were using an asus board we were using an asus board so we've typically used asus boards for our launch coverage of any new cpu for i don't know the last five five or so cpu launches um see how he drinks water to buy himself time um i drink asus water but the reality of it is that we've found it has really more to do with the pre-review support for us uh the fact that we can email anytime night or day and we're getting a response within like 20 minutes um and that has really made our lives a lot easier when we're trying to iron out what are often bugs with the cpu with the ram with the board being able to get new bios's that address these or get answers when there is no bios to address it helps us out a lot and that's the main reason that we've been doing that um so we had all we were running the board at default which we assumed was kind of okay so here's here's my response from from asus well um we've been doing it that way for a few years so they're basically saying like hey this isn't really anything new um so i really don't know what there is to say um we the motherboard makers in general this is kind of the statement we get slammed for enabling it then we all disable it then we get slammed for not doing it because it's kind of free performance and kind of within spec then we place warnings on enabling it and that gets ignored so i guess now we're back to not enabling it with some new bios updates next week do you have an opinion on whether or not they should enable it um i'm standing here i think you should have it off by default it's still a feature that's included it is just a switch you turn on in the bios so it's easy to do if people as long as people know about it that you're not losing out on that free performance you still have it available to you if you want it but how would people know about it i would argue that the average user even the average user who builds their own computer isn't going to touch a feature called multi-core enhancement sounds pretty sweet to me yeah it sounds pretty sweet but there's also like a lot of stuff within a bios that might seem sweet on the surface but you turn it on and your computer doesn't boot anymore until you you know because remember you're a novice user you go into your manual you figure out what the hella cmos reset is you go find that stupid button or header and you you know 15 minutes 30 minutes later you got your computer back on you kind of go oh i'm not going to touch any of that stuff anymore it would come down to marketing but you can't market something that's just um i mean yeah i guess you kind of you can but they don't want you using that anyway like if you're asus or gigabyte or msi they've all got over auto overclocking tools that are much more sophisticated than that built into their boards that are like turning up the speed testing it to make sure it's okay turning it up some more testing it again and they want you using that stuff so how do those features reconcile with this feature if you have them both on um it's a good question truthfully haven't played around with it a whole lot nah so honestly i don't really plan to because i don't really personally recommend either of them as the most optimal way to overclock i still believe that doing it manually yourself is the best way to overclock so um yeah apparently we're slightly out of focus i i just i don't even i don't even know i don't even know why we have camera people anymore um speaking of which i need a camera person right now oh alex is taking the wheel oh wow taking wow the focus wheel well hey actually that's not bad damn girl that's that's not you should have seen the celie you just did i can't do it but he did that okay come show them that weird thing that you do give us the celly it weirds me out i like that you only do it twice you can do it more but it gets weird after that all right are we on to the next one uh yeah let's move on to the next topic here um activation i don't want to do that topic oh i do though yeah we'll do that topic all right all right all right we'll talk about it so this was originally posted by wm groom ak on the forum the original article here is actually from rolling stone of all publications well there was a more original one but it the site had that slideshow format so i wasn't messing with that okay so james how on a scale of one to aids plus cancer plus leprosy where would you put activism activision's research into using matchmaking tricks so you guys know in-game matchmaking like pairing one party with another using in-game matchmaking tricks to sell in-game items if i work there if i'm an executive or a shareholder this is awesome do you own shares so sick in activation no i don't okay so then how do you feel about it from a gaming perspective it's all over folks throw in the towel games suck from now on this is a brutal direction hold on there is some good news they've actually patented the technique so not all games suck hopefully no one else can do this just all the huge major titles from this giant company so okay let's get into this activision was granted a patent this month for a system it uses to influence players in multiplayer games to purchase game items through micro transactions so the system uses it alters the matchmaking process so typically players are put into games together based on a wide variety of factors including skill level internet latency and your availability of friends the way it should be you should be skilled so that everyone's playing a fun round of you know counter go source or whatever it is that the kids are playing these days right but now they've added this runecraft extra vector yeah this extra vector of mark into the matchmaking process that basically tries to get you in the game with people who have bought stuff that you haven't bought yet so that psychologically you kind of see them using it and you want to buy it and it also so the the the article also describes part of the technique being to take inexperienced players and intentionally put them in close proximity to players who are good at a skill that they aspire to be good at and who have an item that appears to be related to that skill so let's say that a a really skilled player has like a great sniper rifle for example um then they're gonna they're gonna pair this player who and you can you can tell so much about people from the way that they game actually well i mean you can tell a lot about how how they want a game anyway so someone's like always playing sniper classes but sucks you can tell i don't even think it's skill level aspire to be a sniper no no well there's that too there's there's multiple aspects of it right so they they'll take like an unskilled sniper who wants to be good at sniping they'll put them near a good sniper who has great equipment like hat of plus one that they've said or whatever premium stuff that they paid for that they paid for and kind of watch right and then continually retool it and re-optimize to get more people buying microtransactions if my children ever pay for an in-game item i'm cutting them off they're out of the will they're gonna be out dude they're out of the will that's gonna happen really soon you guys heard it here first out of the will can i get in there because digital like in-game items i don't know see we're old school we can be kind of cool we used to just buy a game and have the whole game then expansion packs came out and that was just bonus and awesome then it all went to and now it's poo dlc is just like how you get the whole game okay hold on hold on so what i realized when i was talking about cutting my kids out of the will is that i i think i've actually bought digital items before um they don't know i know i know so they won't be cut out of the will but but but if they spend too much on them what's too much then they're cut out of the well that can be written in the will too much is yeah too much is um you know i think i think more than um you know what that is a really good straw poll question once okay so i wanna i wanna frame this in a pretty specific manner because there's a couple of different ways you can define too much like i would take a free-to-play game where the in-game items are purely cosmetic and it's not a pay-to-win and i would kind of look at it and i'd go you know what buying a skin or two or a character here and there to support the developer who's running a free-to-play game but has a lot of costs associated with it big time probably okay but if we're talking triple a title like we're talking like a 69.99 oh yeah 79.99 aaa title or or worse yet like a collector's edition that came in a tin so you've like already spent 130 150 bucks on this thing and you can't even put the master chief helmet on because it's actually mini right and you run out and you blow like another 50 bucks 100 bucks on it i think that is totally different so i want to create a specific scenario for you guys because we're talking activision blizzard here so we are not talking about free to play games okay you pay for the game um so so let's say let's say a 50 game just for the sake of argument okay i know that's almost nothing is 50 bucks anymore it's either more because it's aaa or it's like 20 30 bucks because it's indie but let's say 50 game acceptable amount to spend on micro transactions i think you should attach a time frame here because if i'm playing wow for like six years and i spend 300 whatever but if this is a period of six months or something like that okay yeah that's fair per year first year okay let's do per year okay so first i i for you hardcores out there i'm putting in the zero dollar option okay don't worry i'm putting in the zero dollar option hardcores or cheapskates okay so i've got uh okay while you set that up i want to talk about another thing that this algorithm does that's uh this even just takes it to the next level once you do make an in-game purchase so they put you in a match with the expert sniper uh you were totally attracted to it you ended up buying this sniper rifle once you made that purchase they're then going to take actions that make you feel good about that purchase they don't want you to regret the purchase so on your next match they're going to put you in a game where you're you're not in a close quarters match you're going to be put in a game where that purchase is advantageous they're going to put you in blood gulch or whatever a sniper friendly match so you can actually when's the last time you played that's old school man people like the show i don't even like the old school they like the throwbacks i know what it is hell yeah which means it's old school that's a classic blood gulch they made that they made that map four different times it's in every game every halo game okay anyway they're going to put you in blood into a map where twitch chat is flipping out to blood gulch they love it wow it's the last online halo game okay okay go go go go go fire james fire james okay that guy is too young to know what blood gulch is you should be getting an xbox on ebay just so you can play it even if you weren't born yet and we need a linus tech tips halo one server booyah agreed that'd be sweet okay do you guys you guys would be down i'm like still playing it okay i'm not so old school that i am advocating using like the original fatty controller that controller sucked you're allowed to use the x controller shill gulch shield you know halo 1 is still like thirty dollars gulch tip you can still buy it halo one customization is thirty dollars it's like the first game that i've toured in forever because i was like i'm not paying thirty dollars for this it's terrible terrible um okay all right all right i'll i'ma let you finish i'ma let you finish but basically the thing that sucks about this is that you can tell from the language and the patent that this is not just going to be affecting in-game purchases like skins and aesthetic things yeah the language talks about weapons and that just means that the developers are going to have a monetary incentive to make it play to win so to me that this looks like this is the direction we're all going the thing about this kind of play-to-win is it's like a sicker more insidious play to win because instead of it being okay instead of it being or did i say play to win pay to win instead of me being able to pay more to just have better crap than you and walk in and stomp you i have to lose to you hold on it'll be it'll be pay more and get a fakeo ego boost because they're just gonna pair you with crappier players i can imagine that when they first roll this out it would trick you when they first roll this out you're gonna be on the team you're gonna be on the same team as the guy with the awesome gun but then they're gonna find out that it's actually more effective if you're on the opposite team and you just get lit up by this guy with the awesome gun and you're tired of getting so pwned that that you go and buy the gun yourself and then you get to the awesome feeling of wrecking noobs i mean at what point do they then take it a step further and they start actually fooling you into thinking you're playing against people you're not like what if they could use like a neural network to figure out which people in game you actually know and which people you don't so they could have you playing against the guy you're playing against the guy who's ripping you apart with a sniper rifle from the other side of the map okay um or the guy that like literally gets out of the banshee and like manages to drop it on you every time oh terrible it's all halo all the time it's all halo all the time from now on okay um and then in your next game they just like overlay that person's real avatar and real on-screen name with like this guy and you like destroy him now that you bought your new gun do you think they could get that evil why not i mean it's just an it's just a digital identity that it act is actually ultimately pretty meaningless as far as it goes if they take two randoms who don't know each other they just sprinkle bots in just sprinkle super advanced bots and that just are just pimped out swagged out they got the the guns are shooting hot pink bullets is this where we're going holy crap actually this leads us pretty squarely into another topic we have does it all right yes yes it does speaking of ai that's just so killer it can wreck you every time remember alphago the deep neural neck net that managed to swamp all the world's top alpha or top go players in the last year uh so this is uh from gizmodo here there you go all right tell me about it okay so alphago the first artificial intelligence to defeat a grand master at the game go just got a major upgrade in a tournament that pitted ai versus ai the regular alphago got completely completely wrecked 100 games to zero by the new version of alphago called alphago zero why did they call it alphago zero if it gets 100 and not zero because it's singularity baby how is zero singular what do you know what the singularity is yeah yeah it's like converging to zero i'm making this up what i'm trying to justify the names you're talking about okay the thing that's cool about this is the original alphago had a training data set of thousands of previously played go games played by humans that were amateurs or professionals like go this is a completely unsupervised like reinforcement learning algorithm that had no training data set no trading data set it started only with the rules of the game go and in three days could beat the original go is that insane so it played 4.9 million games against itself to acquire the expertise needed to beat the original alphago for comparison the original alphago had 30 million games for inspiration wow after 40 days it defeated a more sophisticated version of alphago called alphago master and that was the version that defeated the world's best go players last year it gets even crazier it did this not only is it better it's not even that they just like threw more computing power at it it's way more efficient the original alphago master had 48 tpus or tensor processing units this one four four tpus that's an order of magnitude more efficient now this is like not generally ai at all yeah this is playing a game but it's like myth it's it's uh yeah okay but this thing could wreck you at halo 2. i don't well okay so that the okay it'll smash you with banshees every time you're getting stuck from across the map no scope headshots there's a pistol headshot yeah all right uh one more topic before we go into ads uh this was originally posted by jamie scone jammies jammiescon whatever on the forum and the original oh jamie is gone uh the original article is from kitguru.net no i don't want your notifications apple reportedly cut down iphone 8 production already i mean if it if it wasn't a strong enough indication that iphone 8 isn't doing particularly well that there were literally no lineups like that was a big thing with the iphone 8 launch this seems to be this seems to pretty much drive the point home apparently iphone 8 and 8 plus production has been reduced by about 50 for november and december which are typically pretty uh strong sales months for mobile devices and this is apparently the first time apple has reduced iphone production so early in the cycle this is really worrying considering like the bright side of this would be to assume that all these people who aren't buying the 8 are just waiting to buy the 10 but but they probably won't even be able to buy the 10. and the other issue is that apparently a lot of people are opting for the iphone 7 instead of the eight which is frankly a decision that okay a makes a lot of sense to me in the first place because the iphone 7 and 8 are really really not very different you're getting way more eyes per dollar and number two the more people go out there and buy the iphone 7 the longer the support cycle we are likely to see on that product because and this is this is something that's i that actually comes up fairly often when i'm talking about you know what tech product you should buy a lot of the time it doesn't work out to be in your best interest to go and buy say the most expensive motherboard because a lot of the time what can end up happening is because they sell so few units of that model it might end up with a very short support cycle and a much smaller install base of people to call into tech support and complain if something goes wrong they might end up with more compatibility issues down the line because of that smaller install base installing a wide variety of hardware to to you know find out if there's any issues and report them to the manufacturer so owning the like the popular one can actually be really good because the iphone 7 here's another thing if there's a huge install base even not directly from apple even if we're talking from app developers if there's a huge install base of these iphone 7's because apple was effectively selling them for two years at full pop or at full speed then you're gonna see app developers really focus on optimizing for that phone for a longer time into the future as those iphones start to have their screens broken or start to be replaced it's just going to take longer before you aren't worth investing in anymore so the fact that there's this momentum on the iphone 7 becomes sort of a self um self-reinforcing positivity snowball and the more people realize that the iphone 7 is a great choice compared to the eight the more it will be a great choice compared to the eight that's where i was coming to that's your positivity snowball that's my positivity snowball um so i mean i ended up just by chance with a couple of those types of devices so the ipad one was a big steaming pile of beta um it it didn't end up being supported for very long it was thick the battery life sucked it was super slow iphone 2 did i say iphone she said ipad okay good ipad 2 way better in every way like fantastic and made a ton of sense as a product for quite some time because even the ones that came after it were adding things like high resolution displays that actually ended up hurting battery life as much as they increased the resolution of the display they ran hotter like the ipad 2 had stuff going for it for like three or four generations afterwards it wasn't until the air i think that we got one that was higher resolution and better battery and ran cooler was like better in every possible way um so my ipad 2 ended up getting supported almost forever and the same with the ipad or with the iphone 4. and i ended up with like both of them at the same time i was like this is great apple support for like four or five years this is awesome um but it doesn't always work out like that so it's really nice when you end up with something like that and it looks like the iphone 7 could be another one i personally wish it had been the success because it has a headphone jack but um sorry guys button got the watch oh oh yeah the apple watch what about it os4 oh you're just upset because you lost that playlist feature yeah so apple right does not behave in this way every time you have a second gen yeah second gen yeah ed just lost a feature that was deprecated seemingly and we have no you know insider knowledge of apple or anything but seemingly to make room for a new version of the feature that is only available on the new one that has lte connectivity so you're just going to buy the new one aren't you what you are aren't you are you already wearing it no did you already buy the new one did you already order it that's crazy are you going to the apple store after this weekend he's already on the apple store right now yeah i have to get this replaced because i have a chip on there oh and i'll sell this one then you'll sell that one and get the new are you really gonna get the new one oh see you are everything that's wrong with oh man you're killing me he's one of those apple people do you actually need something or you're what can i do for you how to where l.a uh oh do i when do i have to decide sooner is better late today like are we are we making a thing for us there i don't know probably not no let's go with now i don't know we'll talk about it later we'll talk about it later okay uh right right we've gotta do our uh we've gotta do our sponsors uh sponsor number one is i fix it please put those glasses on um what all right try it you'll like it i will wear the oh they're not even here no they were stolen um i'm serious they're not there so oh man no sponsor number one is i fix it ifixit is all about the culture of repairing your own stuff because why should you pay a manufacturer a bunch of money or throw something out contributing to waste in our world when you can 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slash linus it's got that uh that new hdmi over ip smell i actually like the smell of new electronics give it a sniff yep it's got that it's it's that fresh pcb smell you know when they when they manufacture it and then they put it into the bag it stays all sealed in there you know even if the bag's not sealed even if you can't get it back in the bag after it stays in there it stays in there pretty good right i'm gonna give up on that good good work james there um that's a tyler drop all right what else we got here like what's interesting did you know that google's first system auto chip designed in-house is in the pixel 2 that you've been using all week no you didn't know because they just announced it now really there's a chip in there that you don't know about the pixel visual course this was originally posted by z ramsey on the on the forum and the original article here is from the verge google's first mobile chip that's not an soc that's an image processor dang it what you're telling me the verge is wrong hold on a second what are these what are they saying okay hold on hold on hold on pixel visual core soc uh purposeful version of call comes down and another purpose in this case accelerating that okay so my understanding of the definition of an soc is that it has to have basically all the elements of a of like a more traditional like cpu motherboard gpu io wow especially among academics soc is sociology why don't we look for a much more better definition wow it's pronounced soch yeah i'm gonna have to double check the definition here because i wouldn't think an image processor would be an soc so it integrates all components of a computer or other electronic system may contain digital analog mixed signal and often radio frequency functions all on a single substrate okay well if they're calling it an soc maybe there's more to this thing than i necessarily thought but here we go we've actually got a uh we've got a look at it here so the coolest aspects of the pixel visual core maybe that it's already in google's devices they both have it built in but laying dormant until yes it's laying dormant until they activate over the coming months so right now it's used just to process hdr plus stuff way faster faster than you've experienced it it hasn't been activated yet interesting and that's not all they're actually going to use it for more applications than just that they haven't told us what but we'll see more image and machine learning enhancements being added to the pixel 2 over the coming months very interesting so here's a here's a look at it so here's the course here's the link to memory pcie wow huh it's super interesting to me that they didn't announce this at their made by google hardware event i guess they didn't have it ready in time but they still ship devices with it they didn't have the the software implementation ready in time so they just laid low until now you would have thought they would have at least announced it like when reviewers had hands on so so they're saying each of its eight processors has been tailored to handle hdr plus duties resulting in hdr plus performance that is five times faster at one tenth of the energy of current of the current implementation now when they say current implementation there do you think they mean what your pixel can currently do before this is turned on yeah that's smooth baby so they say they'll enable it as a developer option in the preview of android oreo 8.1 wow and that there's going to third-party apps will have the ability to handle hdr photo so we'll see more imaging and machine learning enhancements added to the pixel 2. so the pixel 2 is already getting a pretty good review that went up on float plane last night and will be added to youtube i think on sunday is when we're gonna see that video go live so uh right now floatplane has got uh scrapyard wars parts two and three then tomorrow it's gonna get scrapyard wars part four when youtube gets part two and it's also got um and you're in scrapyard wars yeah so am i you're in scrapyard wars kinda you're in scrapyard worth just talking no just the voiceover oh you're the voiceover oh that's nice yes listen oh that's it is nice i like doing that listen up keep your ears peeled if you can peel in here for this whimsical voice um so also over there we've got the msi vortex g25 review we've got the mass drop vast 35 inch curved gaming monitor uh you worked on that one uh we've got our video of the let's have a look here what else have we got over there oh lg wallpaper tv part two wait that's up on youtube now oh first ever sli setup still isn't on youtube so with our voodoo sli that's over there right now and i think that pretty much uh that pretty much covers it there's some tech quickies as well all right what else we got for topics here oh right uh if you guys want to know how to join floatplane you should probably go check out this link that i'm about to post in the chat do you want to move on to our next topic i guess though sorry i was just talking to a prime about an upcoming build guide oh yeah is that the uh the value value gaming build guide with ryzen the ryzen 5 best bang for your buck build byed cool i just want to actually be in there yeah so i may have almost screwed up this build guide but fortunately james had the foresight to listen to what i was saying and carefully ignore it beginner's mind beginners beginners yeah you're familiar with the concept no is it like beginner's luck but no beginner's mind is when you're like because you don't know all the minutia you kind of don't take things at face value your question stuff ah anyway this is actually next topic is total full circle for us because it's a kind of part two of a topic that you and i discussed a couple weeks ago so what we had discussed was that senator al franken submitted like a letter a bunch of questions to apple about their face id technology and now apple has responded and has answers direct to his questions one of them i put in bold because you didn't know how the heck apple did this and now we get to know so here's just a bunch of bullet points i don't want to say al franken's questions because his question will become obvious when you just hear the answer yeah answer number one face id data including mathematical representations of your face is encrypted and only available to the secure enclave this data never leaves the device it is not sent to apple nor is it included in device backups cool uh the your face face image is captured or discarded once the representation is calculated for comparison meaning that they can never surrender it to the authorities the fbi can't ask for it because apple just never has it um they oh this is cool so ir and depth images were collected in studies conducted with participants informed consent so we had we had talked about you know how exactly did they train the bloody thing because they said they used billions of images and linus was asking well where the heck did they get these billions of images and it turns out they actually just took them themselves it's not they haven't said that they've taken taken photos of a billion different people that seemed silly they probably took thousands of photos of hundreds of people i mean they're apple they could conceivably pay every single person on earth like 60 bucks to or like they could pay a billion people like 60 bucks to take a picture of them send us a selfie yeah um so they took multiple pictures with multiple different types of sensing technology including ir and cool presumably of like 360 views so there you go they are taking security for it pretty darn seriously next topic posted by numlock21 on the forum this oh boy someone at asus actually we know specifically who andrew wu the rog motherboard product manager someone at asus andrew wu is uh in a fair bit of trouble right now this is some serious under bus throwing yeah this is some this is some foot in mouth being run over by the wheel of the bus with the foot in the mouth so the head gets run over too and the foot just gets further in there yeah like it like the heels up and the wheel rolls over the heel and jams it through the back of you can't even gag because there's too much foot yeah um so in an interview with bit tech bit tech basically we'll give you kind of the rundown they basically go can you explain in technical detail why coffee lake won't work with z270 motherboards mpm the pm goes oh it's it's intel's decision bittex says so it's not a physical limitation intel said it was to do with the power delivery pm goes not really it power delivery makes a little bit of difference but not much so bit tech goes so what are they referring to the the 20 or so unused pins from before he goes yes so if you wanted an intel let you you could make z270 compatible pm goes yes but you would also require an upgrade uh from the management engine a bios update until somehow has locked the compatibility whoa okay um it basically just comes down to stability then until i just did this for visibility so this is one of those situations where i run into trouble because i know things that were told to me off the record well well no i'm just it's not about that i'm just messing with you i know things off the record that they're they're not they don't conflict with any of this information because what he said was that here maybe maybe i can help the audience infer based on what he said because all the information is really in there if you read between the lines so intel said it was to do with the power delivery and he says not really it makes a little bit of difference they did change something why did they do it surely intel would have saved themselves some cost and changed nothing if they didn't feel like they had to change something for some reason because if we're going to attack this problem from the tin foil hat mindset of these money grubbing companies don't want to spend any money and they want to take ours surely we can all agree that intel would have done absolutely nothing if there wasn't some reason that they perceived that they had to do something so they did something it according to this interview had to do with the power delivery also according to this interview asus could make it compatible if intel wasn't locking it out for some reason may be related to why they did something it's all in the interview i haven't said anything that i wasn't supposed to pass along is there any possible way that we could uh like hack it and make it work no okay even asus can't do it because intel would have to update emmy okay second question do you think that uh andrew wu here kind of backpedals at the end where he says uh you know it's not that big of a deal anyway because people who bought uh z270 just 10 months ago when it came out they're probably not likely to be the type of consumer who's going to upgrade anyway it's people with older systems who are going to upgrade so to me it really has nothing to do with that because you know when um when kaby lake came out you know for a long time once until launches a new cpu for a long time sometimes like right through the entire time it's available you can buy the last generation chipset which actually usually has the same features because they don't change much if they don't have to um you can you can buy those old ones for a little bit cheaper so if you wanted a z170 board with a 7700k you would get overclocking unlocked for your k-series chip you'd get just as many sata ports you'd get this you get that and overall performance would in most cases be very similar and someone's car alarms go off oh no someone set off the actual alarm is that a 101 or is that here do you mind investigating thank you sir the alarms are going off in here uh yeah so sorry about that guys we getting stolen um this is a job for laser james ha ha they laughed at me they're still laughing at you that's why i'm here you it looks like my work here is done good work laser james i have an unblockable soil so anyway um from this interview reading between the lines of this interview they probably could have made it compatible there is some reason related to the power delivery that they decided not to and not only decided not to but also decided to do actual work on z370 at a great expense now do i necessarily think then that this makes intel some kind of a white knight no because what they have also done is they've released only a single 300 series chipset z370 the highest priced one in their stack so you don't even have the option to buy you know like uh an 8400 for example and pair it with a cheapo board because it because it doesn't it's not unlocked for overclocking anyway so yeah that's pretty greasy are they clearly trying to extract more value from the customer yeah if they felt bad about it they would have done like the bare minimum like just like almost at cost okay like eating it so if they had no margin on the on the mobos all right so they're they're clearly trying to you know you know do corporate things you know the raw is you know average uh cart price or whatever the those metrics that e-tailers look for the drive attach you know that kind of stuff they're clearly doing that but i'm also not necessarily one of the people holding a torch going you should be able to plug a coffee lake into a z270 because there does appear to be an actual physical change that they made that they felt was necessary for the most stable and optimal operation um honestly i think one of the big reasons that we only got z370 is intel was fully aware that coffee lake supply was going to be extraordinarily limited and they figured well if people like if we can't keep them on shelves anyway then we might as well sell them to the people that we're gonna go out there and spend the most on the best chipset and the top of the line well that's not what he's saying he's saying that people who are just ready to upgrade who didn't upgrade to z270 can upgrade now but they're gonna have to do that to great expense yeah i mean that's that's that's his whole thing and i'm not i'm making my i'm drawing my own conclusions here about what exactly intel was doing with their strategy so i'll leave it to you guys to sort of come up with your own uh your own answers here but i do want to show you your own answers to something we discussed earlier let's go ahead and pull up our micro transactions poll from earlier in the show fifty dollar game how much is it acceptable to spend per year on micro transactions so first uh alex how much per year is it acceptable to spend one fifty dollar game nothing nothing okay so you are actually the second most popular answer okay 38 of our voters think it's okay to spend up to ten dollars on a fifty dollar game so like a little treat it's a little something for yourself some horse armor you know yeah um canadian that's like that's like six how many rubles is that um okay 31 of you are saying zero dollars period 22 of you 50 bucks and 10 percent of you must be like some kind of mega ballers because you think it's okay to spend between 50 to over a hundred dollars on microtransactions in your game are you for real i can't even imagine spending that kind of money on microtransactions mlg baby you're not hardcore yeah that much is that much i mean i i didn't even spend that much on my car like look at my car it's not even worth a hundred dollars seriously i took it down tried to trade it in new straw pool new straw poll how much would you pay for alliance's car i bet i bet you could get more than 100 bucks okay so that's okay that's a bit of that there's an issue with that though uh you're taking all those phones what's that one on the bottom oh the pixel oh okay so hey guys uh this is another cool teaser so um those of you who aren't subscribed over on floatplane won't actually know this yet but brandon here is going to be working on a first for our channel a smartphone camera roundup that why are you why why are you doing this this is this is how i'm going to be on the show now you're behind the mic yeah that's good stay there stay there because those are those are so ridiculous so anyway um i've never really done in-depth phone camera testing because frankly i mean you're not a camera person i'm not qualified thank you brandon um so so with the pixel 2 and the iphone 8 and to a lesser extent the s8 but definitely the note 8 the camera was like the thing they wanted to talk about so brandon's going to be doing a dedicated video sometime probably next week on float plane hopefully um hopefully maybe the following week really picking these phones apart and figuring out which one is more camera for your dollar attached to a phone and you're throwing a dslr into the mix aren't you yes oh boy well we'll see oh boy many many use cases is that almost a separate video i don't know the whole like should you still buy you know a a 600 700 dslr i want to talk about that you want to talk about it maybe we should just bring you on for like a wan show segment or something i don't know you know my favorite part about this whole thing is brandon hates smartphone camera commentary he hates when people talk about it he hates when there's videos about the iphone camera he hates it now he has to do it to clarify i do not hate the iphone and smartphone cameras being good i do however hate the thousands of articles i've seen over the years about things that are shot on the iphone being making it seem like the iphone was the best tool for i get i i get it it's good enough for this use case and it can work perfectly but there is no one who can sit there and tell me that the iphone is a better camera in most use cases for a professional situation brandon just your pills i can tell you that i won't have any credibility but i can tell you that just to get his blood pressure up right he's not even going to make it into work on monday he'll have had like four heart attacks also i just realized why aren't we calling the pixel xl the pixel the pixico the cool the pixel double xls all right so thanks for watching guys we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel and yes i'm really ending the show on that terrible joke deal with it oh man haha i got the end of show on even worse of a joke what's the baddest grammar yeah halo you can just host a dedicated server we should totally set one up we don't really discuss that we're still live you know oh really i didn't know that oh and if we set up a server it will be a legit game surfer so no bad bad alexoh all right it's when show time again here we got to get our spacing right here there we go perfect oh man you always push me away from the mic so you're way louder than me no i'm way louder than you because i'm way louder than you i pushed you away from the mic because i'm the one who's actually you know looking at the show and okay okay here i think we look symmetrical you know what here just a second hold on let me let me let me explain let me let me explain something something here let's go ahead we'll we'll give you guys some screen capture to look at here instead of james there you go okay so uh oh that that really doesn't work very well what i'm doing right now okay that's not really the point the point is look at the distance here see this distance not enough distance you gotta there see how much there wasn't there was a no mansplaining rule on the wan show no no you're allowed to land splain that's we've been through this so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today topic number one where is luke which is i'm sure the only one that you actually care about at this point because this freaking can you take those off i'm not taking them off oh you have to take them off i feel like jc denton he's not using the laser okay so ed can you can you came up for us for a second here can you just show them what the heck is going on such that james figures he needs wow thank you i'm sure glad i had a professional camera operator do that that's much appreciated so that right there look at that he knows how to use the focus ring and everything i'm holding it so that right there is our new laser cutter and these no no no you can't wear them the whole show let me tell you the whole the whole sunglasses during a tech video podcast thing has been done no one likes it my vision is augmented have you even played deus ex this is sick this is harsh i have played hold on a second which one is uh specific wavelengths like yeah it cuts out all the bs and leaves you with awesome no can you no no can i at least just continually put them on like periodically throughout the show you can only keep them on for a maximum of 30 seconds at a time deal okay and and they have a 10 minute cooldown 10 minute cooldown by the way yes i have played deus ex um but i only played the widely regarded as kind of crap sequel invisible invisible war i actually enjoyed it having not played the original and never playing one since i i actually really enjoyed it so i said yeah do you really really not want to miss uh yeah i really don't want to miss badminton this guy's trying to send me on a freaking also you didn't center our camera way to go ed or did he no not quite it needs to go a little bit more towards james thank you he's trying to send me on a business trip during my badminton night i get one night a week one night a week when i get to go out and do something fun and this guy wants to send me to where where are you trying to send me la yeah one syllable cities that's two syllables la oh all right so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today um gigabyte responded via email i hope i hope i can talk about this i think it was kind of a it was kind of a statement um so they responded via email to my um question about exactly what the heck is going on with motherboard or with coffee lake performance from motherboard to motherboard and i've also heard from asus so we'll be talking a little bit about that um activision has patented a technique for social engineering micro transactions in games i love it it's way more evil than it sounds and it sounds pretty damn evil so that should give you some idea what else we got oh i can talk now yeah yeah yeah ah reportedly apple has cut down production of the iphone 8 for november and december buy a large margin cut down cut got cut axed and a pixel 2 xl color issue that linus may or may not have experienced i actually want to know we'll get there you know what i haven't okay yeah you know why don't we roll the intro we'll talk about it later we'll talk about it later wancho and we'll also do that first topic i promised where is luke i'm wearing the sunglasses now with the 30 seconds doesn't count until the intro hey you have one fan kavor x95 likes you lots of people like me yeah let's not get ahead of ourselves you have one pen that's not true oh do you want me to send you screenshots uh dar bullets james just know uh-huh that guy doesn't count that's a child uh die wolf laust where is luke um that's because he's pleasantly surprised to see me uh zen walrus says you're sick and i think he means like disgusting not like good nope that's both those are both good to me those are both good to you sponsors i forgot we were still on the intro the intro screen there i don't know how ed managed how hard is this okay this much frame it's like there's like this much extra i i always tell the camera people i'm like can you center the arm in the frame and they're like yes and then they don't do it i think they're just messing with me i think at this point people are actually just screwing with me when they do things wrong um all right so why don't we get into coffee like performance first have you have you heard about this have you seen this yes i read it so it comes down to a feature yeah that is enabled by default on some boards but not enabled by default on others yep so uh asus statement was actually i'm gonna have a quick look at my email here and make sure that this is on the record um because it's one of those frustrating things where sometimes we actually we actually know more than we can say because industry contacts don't want to get themselves in trouble mind you there's a pretty funny story actually about asus and being sort of on the record when you thought you weren't on the record no no no no put them on no no put them on i'm not going to i'm going to put them here uh being on the record when you didn't realize you're on the record and saying something that kind of threw intel under the bus we'll get to that later but um first up yes i actually asked do you guys have an official statement on the whole auto overclocking thing so the whole discrepancy between it was especially visible in heavily multi-threaded tests like cinebench between you know one reviewer's results with coffee lake and in others where people were getting up to like 300 point differences in cinebench seems to have come down to some motherboard manufacturers most notably asus enabling a feature by default on their boards that effectively overclocks the cpu right out of the box running all of the cores at the maximum turbo rather than just one or two or however many were supposed to be enabled at that particular speed so i asked and this is my subject line so i think i've absolved myself of any responsibility for this being something that can't go out to the public for an official statement from asus on the whole auto overclocking thing uh but i actually you know what i should probably talk about gigabytes statement first so they proactively sent this to me and they're basically just like good luck no no i can read this they're basically just like hey i uh just watched your rant show that's that's cool gigabyte watches the lan show like you guys are the lan show you guys make the news i'm just like blah blah blah like this about it um just wanted to comment on the variants and scores there's been some discussion over intel turbo policy and enhanced multi-core performance i'm sure you are aware this is a feature that pegs all cores at the max turbo frequency so in the case of the 8700k this is 4.7 gigahertz across all cores now something that's really happened over the last couple of generations of intel's turbo boost technology is that the difference between base clock and max turbo clock has increased a lot so it used to be that if you had a multi-core enhancement feature and you just boosted everything it was just a little bit and the reason they've done that is so they can get higher efficiency better battery life stuff higher efficiency cpus overall yeah basically so the idea is that intel's going okay well here's what we're comfortable rating it for when all the cores are operating and we want to tune it better and better and better for lightly threaded workloads so you can get more performance out of just like a game that only utilizes one or two cores or any other single threaded application so you can but they wouldn't have rated the cpu for 4.7 gigahertz on all the cores at the thermal and at the power consumption targets that they have so there's going to be a stability issue there and that's what this uh person from gigabyte is hinting at yeah the reason they don't don't put it on by default there's potential for a stability issue because it is in effect overclocking and it produces more heat and so this is why our 8700k review had our chip consuming a lot of power compared to what we might have expected and we probably should have investigated that further so we were using an asus board we were using an asus board so we've typically used asus boards for our launch coverage of any new cpu for i don't know the last five five or so cpu launches um see how he drinks water to buy himself time um i drink asus water but the reality of it is that we've found it has really more to do with the pre-review support for us uh the fact that we can email anytime night or day and we're getting a response within like 20 minutes um and that has really made our lives a lot easier when we're trying to iron out what are often bugs with the cpu with the ram with the board being able to get new bios's that address these or get answers when there is no bios to address it helps us out a lot and that's the main reason that we've been doing that um so we had all we were running the board at default which we assumed was kind of okay so here's here's my response from from asus well um we've been doing it that way for a few years so they're basically saying like hey this isn't really anything new um so i really don't know what there is to say um we the motherboard makers in general this is kind of the statement we get slammed for enabling it then we all disable it then we get slammed for not doing it because it's kind of free performance and kind of within spec then we place warnings on enabling it and that gets ignored so i guess now we're back to not enabling it with some new bios updates next week do you have an opinion on whether or not they should enable it um i'm standing here i think you should have it off by default it's still a feature that's included it is just a switch you turn on in the bios so it's easy to do if people as long as people know about it that you're not losing out on that free performance you still have it available to you if you want it but how would people know about it i would argue that the average user even the average user who builds their own computer isn't going to touch a feature called multi-core enhancement sounds pretty sweet to me yeah it sounds pretty sweet but there's also like a lot of stuff within a bios that might seem sweet on the surface but you turn it on and your computer doesn't boot anymore until you you know because remember you're a novice user you go into your manual you figure out what the hella cmos reset is you go find that stupid button or header and you you know 15 minutes 30 minutes later you got your computer back on you kind of go oh i'm not going to touch any of that stuff anymore it would come down to marketing but you can't market something that's just um i mean yeah i guess you kind of you can but they don't want you using that anyway like if you're asus or gigabyte or msi they've all got over auto overclocking tools that are much more sophisticated than that built into their boards that are like turning up the speed testing it to make sure it's okay turning it up some more testing it again and they want you using that stuff so how do those features reconcile with this feature if you have them both on um it's a good question truthfully haven't played around with it a whole lot nah so honestly i don't really plan to because i don't really personally recommend either of them as the most optimal way to overclock i still believe that doing it manually yourself is the best way to overclock so um yeah apparently we're slightly out of focus i i just i don't even i don't even know i don't even know why we have camera people anymore um speaking of which i need a camera person right now oh alex is taking the wheel oh wow taking wow the focus wheel well hey actually that's not bad damn girl that's that's not you should have seen the celie you just did i can't do it but he did that okay come show them that weird thing that you do give us the celly it weirds me out i like that you only do it twice you can do it more but it gets weird after that all right are we on to the next one uh yeah let's move on to the next topic here um activation i don't want to do that topic oh i do though yeah we'll do that topic all right all right all right we'll talk about it so this was originally posted by wm groom ak on the forum the original article here is actually from rolling stone of all publications well there was a more original one but it the site had that slideshow format so i wasn't messing with that okay so james how on a scale of one to aids plus cancer plus leprosy where would you put activism activision's research into using matchmaking tricks so you guys know in-game matchmaking like pairing one party with another using in-game matchmaking tricks to sell in-game items if i work there if i'm an executive or a shareholder this is awesome do you own shares so sick in activation no i don't okay so then how do you feel about it from a gaming perspective it's all over folks throw in the towel games suck from now on this is a brutal direction hold on there is some good news they've actually patented the technique so not all games suck hopefully no one else can do this just all the huge major titles from this giant company so okay let's get into this activision was granted a patent this month for a system it uses to influence players in multiplayer games to purchase game items through micro transactions so the system uses it alters the matchmaking process so typically players are put into games together based on a wide variety of factors including skill level internet latency and your availability of friends the way it should be you should be skilled so that everyone's playing a fun round of you know counter go source or whatever it is that the kids are playing these days right but now they've added this runecraft extra vector yeah this extra vector of mark into the matchmaking process that basically tries to get you in the game with people who have bought stuff that you haven't bought yet so that psychologically you kind of see them using it and you want to buy it and it also so the the the article also describes part of the technique being to take inexperienced players and intentionally put them in close proximity to players who are good at a skill that they aspire to be good at and who have an item that appears to be related to that skill so let's say that a a really skilled player has like a great sniper rifle for example um then they're gonna they're gonna pair this player who and you can you can tell so much about people from the way that they game actually well i mean you can tell a lot about how how they want a game anyway so someone's like always playing sniper classes but sucks you can tell i don't even think it's skill level aspire to be a sniper no no well there's that too there's there's multiple aspects of it right so they they'll take like an unskilled sniper who wants to be good at sniping they'll put them near a good sniper who has great equipment like hat of plus one that they've said or whatever premium stuff that they paid for that they paid for and kind of watch right and then continually retool it and re-optimize to get more people buying microtransactions if my children ever pay for an in-game item i'm cutting them off they're out of the will they're gonna be out dude they're out of the will that's gonna happen really soon you guys heard it here first out of the will can i get in there because digital like in-game items i don't know see we're old school we can be kind of cool we used to just buy a game and have the whole game then expansion packs came out and that was just bonus and awesome then it all went to and now it's poo dlc is just like how you get the whole game okay hold on hold on so what i realized when i was talking about cutting my kids out of the will is that i i think i've actually bought digital items before um they don't know i know i know so they won't be cut out of the will but but but if they spend too much on them what's too much then they're cut out of the well that can be written in the will too much is yeah too much is um you know i think i think more than um you know what that is a really good straw poll question once okay so i wanna i wanna frame this in a pretty specific manner because there's a couple of different ways you can define too much like i would take a free-to-play game where the in-game items are purely cosmetic and it's not a pay-to-win and i would kind of look at it and i'd go you know what buying a skin or two or a character here and there to support the developer who's running a free-to-play game but has a lot of costs associated with it big time probably okay but if we're talking triple a title like we're talking like a 69.99 oh yeah 79.99 aaa title or or worse yet like a collector's edition that came in a tin so you've like already spent 130 150 bucks on this thing and you can't even put the master chief helmet on because it's actually mini right and you run out and you blow like another 50 bucks 100 bucks on it i think that is totally different so i want to create a specific scenario for you guys because we're talking activision blizzard here so we are not talking about free to play games okay you pay for the game um so so let's say let's say a 50 game just for the sake of argument okay i know that's almost nothing is 50 bucks anymore it's either more because it's aaa or it's like 20 30 bucks because it's indie but let's say 50 game acceptable amount to spend on micro transactions i think you should attach a time frame here because if i'm playing wow for like six years and i spend 300 whatever but if this is a period of six months or something like that okay yeah that's fair per year first year okay let's do per year okay so first i i for you hardcores out there i'm putting in the zero dollar option okay don't worry i'm putting in the zero dollar option hardcores or cheapskates okay so i've got uh okay while you set that up i want to talk about another thing that this algorithm does that's uh this even just takes it to the next level once you do make an in-game purchase so they put you in a match with the expert sniper uh you were totally attracted to it you ended up buying this sniper rifle once you made that purchase they're then going to take actions that make you feel good about that purchase they don't want you to regret the purchase so on your next match they're going to put you in a game where you're you're not in a close quarters match you're going to be put in a game where that purchase is advantageous they're going to put you in blood gulch or whatever a sniper friendly match so you can actually when's the last time you played that's old school man people like the show i don't even like the old school they like the throwbacks i know what it is hell yeah which means it's old school that's a classic blood gulch they made that they made that map four different times it's in every game every halo game okay anyway they're going to put you in blood into a map where twitch chat is flipping out to blood gulch they love it wow it's the last online halo game okay okay go go go go go fire james fire james okay that guy is too young to know what blood gulch is you should be getting an xbox on ebay just so you can play it even if you weren't born yet and we need a linus tech tips halo one server booyah agreed that'd be sweet okay do you guys you guys would be down i'm like still playing it okay i'm not so old school that i am advocating using like the original fatty controller that controller sucked you're allowed to use the x controller shill gulch shield you know halo 1 is still like thirty dollars gulch tip you can still buy it halo one customization is thirty dollars it's like the first game that i've toured in forever because i was like i'm not paying thirty dollars for this it's terrible terrible um okay all right all right i'll i'ma let you finish i'ma let you finish but basically the thing that sucks about this is that you can tell from the language and the patent that this is not just going to be affecting in-game purchases like skins and aesthetic things yeah the language talks about weapons and that just means that the developers are going to have a monetary incentive to make it play to win so to me that this looks like this is the direction we're all going the thing about this kind of play-to-win is it's like a sicker more insidious play to win because instead of it being okay instead of it being or did i say play to win pay to win instead of me being able to pay more to just have better crap than you and walk in and stomp you i have to lose to you hold on it'll be it'll be pay more and get a fakeo ego boost because they're just gonna pair you with crappier players i can imagine that when they first roll this out it would trick you when they first roll this out you're gonna be on the team you're gonna be on the same team as the guy with the awesome gun but then they're gonna find out that it's actually more effective if you're on the opposite team and you just get lit up by this guy with the awesome gun and you're tired of getting so pwned that that you go and buy the gun yourself and then you get to the awesome feeling of wrecking noobs i mean at what point do they then take it a step further and they start actually fooling you into thinking you're playing against people you're not like what if they could use like a neural network to figure out which people in game you actually know and which people you don't so they could have you playing against the guy you're playing against the guy who's ripping you apart with a sniper rifle from the other side of the map okay um or the guy that like literally gets out of the banshee and like manages to drop it on you every time oh terrible it's all halo all the time it's all halo all the time from now on okay um and then in your next game they just like overlay that person's real avatar and real on-screen name with like this guy and you like destroy him now that you bought your new gun do you think they could get that evil why not i mean it's just an it's just a digital identity that it act is actually ultimately pretty meaningless as far as it goes if they take two randoms who don't know each other they just sprinkle bots in just sprinkle super advanced bots and that just are just pimped out swagged out they got the the guns are shooting hot pink bullets is this where we're going holy crap actually this leads us pretty squarely into another topic we have does it all right yes yes it does speaking of ai that's just so killer it can wreck you every time remember alphago the deep neural neck net that managed to swamp all the world's top alpha or top go players in the last year uh so this is uh from gizmodo here there you go all right tell me about it okay so alphago the first artificial intelligence to defeat a grand master at the game go just got a major upgrade in a tournament that pitted ai versus ai the regular alphago got completely completely wrecked 100 games to zero by the new version of alphago called alphago zero why did they call it alphago zero if it gets 100 and not zero because it's singularity baby how is zero singular what do you know what the singularity is yeah yeah it's like converging to zero i'm making this up what i'm trying to justify the names you're talking about okay the thing that's cool about this is the original alphago had a training data set of thousands of previously played go games played by humans that were amateurs or professionals like go this is a completely unsupervised like reinforcement learning algorithm that had no training data set no trading data set it started only with the rules of the game go and in three days could beat the original go is that insane so it played 4.9 million games against itself to acquire the expertise needed to beat the original alphago for comparison the original alphago had 30 million games for inspiration wow after 40 days it defeated a more sophisticated version of alphago called alphago master and that was the version that defeated the world's best go players last year it gets even crazier it did this not only is it better it's not even that they just like threw more computing power at it it's way more efficient the original alphago master had 48 tpus or tensor processing units this one four four tpus that's an order of magnitude more efficient now this is like not generally ai at all yeah this is playing a game but it's like myth it's it's uh yeah okay but this thing could wreck you at halo 2. i don't well okay so that the okay it'll smash you with banshees every time you're getting stuck from across the map no scope headshots there's a pistol headshot yeah all right uh one more topic before we go into ads uh this was originally posted by jamie scone jammies jammiescon whatever on the forum and the original oh jamie is gone uh the original article is from kitguru.net no i don't want your notifications apple reportedly cut down iphone 8 production already i mean if it if it wasn't a strong enough indication that iphone 8 isn't doing particularly well that there were literally no lineups like that was a big thing with the iphone 8 launch this seems to be this seems to pretty much drive the point home apparently iphone 8 and 8 plus production has been reduced by about 50 for november and december which are typically pretty uh strong sales months for mobile devices and this is apparently the first time apple has reduced iphone production so early in the cycle this is really worrying considering like the bright side of this would be to assume that all these people who aren't buying the 8 are just waiting to buy the 10 but but they probably won't even be able to buy the 10. and the other issue is that apparently a lot of people are opting for the iphone 7 instead of the eight which is frankly a decision that okay a makes a lot of sense to me in the first place because the iphone 7 and 8 are really really not very different you're getting way more eyes per dollar and number two the more people go out there and buy the iphone 7 the longer the support cycle we are likely to see on that product because and this is this is something that's i that actually comes up fairly often when i'm talking about you know what tech product you should buy a lot of the time it doesn't work out to be in your best interest to go and buy say the most expensive motherboard because a lot of the time what can end up happening is because they sell so few units of that model it might end up with a very short support cycle and a much smaller install base of people to call into tech support and complain if something goes wrong they might end up with more compatibility issues down the line because of that smaller install base installing a wide variety of hardware to to you know find out if there's any issues and report them to the manufacturer so owning the like the popular one can actually be really good because the iphone 7 here's another thing if there's a huge install base even not directly from apple even if we're talking from app developers if there's a huge install base of these iphone 7's because apple was effectively selling them for two years at full pop or at full speed then you're gonna see app developers really focus on optimizing for that phone for a longer time into the future as those iphones start to have their screens broken or start to be replaced it's just going to take longer before you aren't worth investing in anymore so the fact that there's this momentum on the iphone 7 becomes sort of a self um self-reinforcing positivity snowball and the more people realize that the iphone 7 is a great choice compared to the eight the more it will be a great choice compared to the eight that's where i was coming to that's your positivity snowball that's my positivity snowball um so i mean i ended up just by chance with a couple of those types of devices so the ipad one was a big steaming pile of beta um it it didn't end up being supported for very long it was thick the battery life sucked it was super slow iphone 2 did i say iphone she said ipad okay good ipad 2 way better in every way like fantastic and made a ton of sense as a product for quite some time because even the ones that came after it were adding things like high resolution displays that actually ended up hurting battery life as much as they increased the resolution of the display they ran hotter like the ipad 2 had stuff going for it for like three or four generations afterwards it wasn't until the air i think that we got one that was higher resolution and better battery and ran cooler was like better in every possible way um so my ipad 2 ended up getting supported almost forever and the same with the ipad or with the iphone 4. and i ended up with like both of them at the same time i was like this is great apple support for like four or five years this is awesome um but it doesn't always work out like that so it's really nice when you end up with something like that and it looks like the iphone 7 could be another one i personally wish it had been the success because it has a headphone jack but um sorry guys button got the watch oh oh yeah the apple watch what about it os4 oh you're just upset because you lost that playlist feature yeah so apple right does not behave in this way every time you have a second gen yeah second gen yeah ed just lost a feature that was deprecated seemingly and we have no you know insider knowledge of apple or anything but seemingly to make room for a new version of the feature that is only available on the new one that has lte connectivity so you're just going to buy the new one aren't you what you are aren't you are you already wearing it no did you already buy the new one did you already order it that's crazy are you going to the apple store after this weekend he's already on the apple store right now yeah i have to get this replaced because i have a chip on there oh and i'll sell this one then you'll sell that one and get the new are you really gonna get the new one oh see you are everything that's wrong with oh man you're killing me he's one of those apple people do you actually need something or you're what can i do for you how to where l.a uh oh do i when do i have to decide sooner is better late today like are we 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after it stays in there it stays in there pretty good right i'm gonna give up on that good good work james there um that's a tyler drop all right what else we got here like what's interesting did you know that google's first system auto chip designed in-house is in the pixel 2 that you've been using all week no you didn't know because they just announced it now really there's a chip in there that you don't know about the pixel visual course this was originally posted by z ramsey on the on the forum and the original article here is from the verge google's first mobile chip that's not an soc that's an image processor dang it what you're telling me the verge is wrong hold on a second what are these what are they saying okay hold on hold on hold on pixel visual core soc uh purposeful version of call comes down and another purpose in this case accelerating that okay so my understanding of the definition of an soc is that it has to have basically all the elements of a of like a more traditional like cpu motherboard gpu io wow especially among academics soc is sociology why don't we look for a much more better definition wow it's pronounced soch yeah i'm gonna have to double check the definition here because i wouldn't think an image processor would be an soc so it integrates all components of a computer or other electronic system may contain digital analog mixed signal and often radio frequency functions all on a single substrate okay well if they're calling it an soc maybe there's more to this thing than i necessarily thought but here we go we've actually got a uh we've got a look at it here so the coolest aspects of the pixel visual core maybe that it's already in google's devices they both have it built in but laying dormant until yes it's laying dormant until they activate over the coming months so right now it's used just to process hdr plus stuff way faster faster than you've experienced it it hasn't been activated yet interesting and that's not all they're actually going to use it for more applications than just that they haven't told us what but we'll see more image and machine learning enhancements being added to the pixel 2 over the coming months very interesting so here's a here's a look at it so here's the course here's the link to memory pcie wow huh it's super interesting to me that they didn't announce this at their made by google hardware event i guess they didn't have it ready in time but they still ship devices with it they didn't have the the software implementation ready in time so they just laid low until now you would have thought they would have at least announced it like when reviewers had hands on so so they're saying each of its eight processors has been tailored to handle hdr plus duties resulting in hdr plus performance that is five times faster at one tenth of the energy of current of the current implementation now when they say current implementation there do you think they mean what your pixel can currently do before this is turned on yeah that's smooth baby so they say they'll enable it as a developer option in the preview of android oreo 8.1 wow and that there's going to third-party apps will have the ability to handle hdr photo so we'll see more imaging and machine learning enhancements added to the pixel 2. so the pixel 2 is already getting a pretty good review that went up on float plane last night and will be added to youtube i think on sunday is when we're gonna see that video go live so uh right now floatplane has got uh scrapyard wars parts two and three then tomorrow it's gonna get scrapyard wars part four when youtube gets part two and it's also got um and you're in scrapyard wars yeah so am i you're in scrapyard wars kinda you're in scrapyard worth just talking no just the voiceover oh you're the voiceover oh that's nice yes listen oh that's it is nice i like doing that listen up keep your ears peeled if you can peel in here for this whimsical voice um so also over there we've got the msi vortex g25 review we've got the mass drop vast 35 inch curved gaming monitor uh you worked on that one uh we've got our video of the let's have a look here what else have we got over there oh lg wallpaper tv part two wait that's up on youtube now oh first ever sli setup still isn't on youtube so with our voodoo sli that's over there right now and i think that pretty much uh that pretty much covers it there's some tech quickies as well all right what else we got for topics here oh right uh if you guys want to know how to join floatplane you should probably go check out this link that i'm about to post in the chat do you want to move on to our next topic i guess though sorry i was just talking to a prime about an upcoming build guide oh yeah is that the uh the value value gaming build guide with ryzen the ryzen 5 best bang for your buck build byed cool i just want to actually be in there yeah so i may have almost screwed up this build guide but fortunately james had the foresight to listen to what i was saying and carefully ignore it beginner's mind beginners beginners yeah you're familiar with the concept no is it like beginner's luck but no beginner's mind is when you're like because you don't know all the minutia you kind of don't take things at face value your question stuff ah anyway this is actually next topic is total full circle for us because it's a kind of part two of a topic that you and i discussed a couple weeks ago so what we had discussed was that senator al franken submitted like a letter a bunch of questions to apple about their face id technology and now apple has responded and has answers direct to his questions one of them i put in bold because you didn't know how the heck apple did this and now we get to know so here's just a bunch of bullet points i don't want to say al franken's questions because his question will become obvious when you just hear the answer yeah answer number one face id data including mathematical representations of your face is encrypted and only available to the secure enclave this data never leaves the device it is not sent to apple nor is it included in device backups cool uh the your face face image is captured or discarded once the representation is calculated for comparison meaning that they can never surrender it to the authorities the fbi can't ask for it because apple just never has it um they oh this is cool so ir and depth images were collected in studies conducted with participants informed consent so we had we had talked about you know how exactly did they train the bloody thing because they said they used billions of images and linus was asking well where the heck did they get these billions of images and it turns out they actually just took them themselves it's not they haven't said that they've taken taken photos of a billion different people that seemed silly they probably took thousands of photos of hundreds of people i mean they're apple they could conceivably pay every single person on earth like 60 bucks to or like they could pay a billion people like 60 bucks to take a picture of them send us a selfie yeah um so they took multiple pictures with multiple different types of sensing technology including ir and cool presumably of like 360 views so there you go they are taking security for it pretty darn seriously next topic posted by numlock21 on the forum this oh boy someone at asus actually we know specifically who andrew wu the rog motherboard product manager someone at asus andrew wu is uh in a fair bit of trouble right now this is some serious under bus throwing yeah this is some this is some foot in mouth being run over by the wheel of the bus with the foot in the mouth so the head gets run over too and the foot just gets further in there yeah like it like the heels up and the wheel rolls over the heel and jams it through the back of you can't even gag because there's too much foot yeah um so in an interview with bit tech bit tech basically we'll give you kind of the rundown they basically go can you explain in technical detail why coffee lake won't work with z270 motherboards mpm the pm goes oh it's it's intel's decision bittex says so it's not a physical limitation intel said it was to do with the power delivery pm goes not really it power delivery makes a little bit of difference but not much so bit tech goes so what are they referring to the the 20 or so unused pins from before he goes yes so if you wanted an intel let you you could make z270 compatible pm goes yes but you would also require an upgrade uh from the management engine a bios update until somehow has locked the compatibility whoa okay um it basically just comes down to stability then until i just did this for visibility so this is one of those situations where i run into trouble because i know things that were told to me off the record well well no i'm just it's not about that i'm just messing with you i know things off the record that they're they're not they don't conflict with any of this information because what he said was that here maybe maybe i can help the audience infer based on what he said because all the information is really in there if you read between the lines so intel said it was to do with the power delivery and he says not really it makes a little bit of difference they did change something why did they do it surely intel would have saved themselves some cost and changed nothing if they didn't feel like they had to change something for some reason because if we're going to attack this problem from the tin foil hat mindset of these money grubbing companies don't want to spend any money and they want to take ours surely we can all agree that intel would have done absolutely nothing if there wasn't some reason that they perceived that they had to do something so they did something it according to this interview had to do with the power delivery also according to this interview asus could make it compatible if intel wasn't locking it out for some reason may be related to why they did something it's all in the interview i haven't said anything that i wasn't supposed to pass along is there any possible way that we could uh like hack it and make it work no okay even asus can't do it because intel would have to update emmy okay second question do you think that uh andrew wu here kind of backpedals at the end where he says uh you know it's not that big of a deal anyway because people who bought uh z270 just 10 months ago when it came out they're probably not likely to be the type of consumer who's going to upgrade anyway it's people with older systems who are going to upgrade so to me it really has nothing to do with that because you know when um when kaby lake came out you know for a long time once until launches a new cpu for a long time sometimes like right through the entire time it's available you can buy the last generation chipset which actually usually has the same features because they don't change much if they don't have to um you can you can buy those old ones for a little bit cheaper so if you wanted a z170 board with a 7700k you would get overclocking unlocked for your k-series chip you'd get just as many sata ports you'd get this you get that and overall performance would in most cases be very similar and someone's car alarms go off oh no someone set off the actual alarm is that a 101 or is that here do you mind investigating thank you sir the alarms are going off in here uh yeah so sorry about that guys we getting stolen um this is a job for laser james ha ha they laughed at me they're still laughing at you that's why i'm here you it looks like my work here is done good work laser james i have an unblockable soil so anyway um from this interview reading between the lines of this interview they probably could have made it compatible there is some reason related to the power delivery that they decided not to and not only decided not to but also decided to do actual work on z370 at a great expense now do i necessarily think then that this makes intel some kind of a white knight no because what they have also done is they've released only a single 300 series chipset z370 the highest priced one in their stack so you don't even have the option to buy you know like uh an 8400 for example and pair it with a cheapo board because it because it doesn't it's not unlocked for overclocking anyway so yeah that's pretty greasy are they clearly trying to extract more value from the customer yeah if they felt bad about it they would have done like the bare minimum like just like almost at cost okay like eating it so if they had no margin on the on the mobos all right so they're they're clearly trying to you know you know do corporate things you know the raw is you know average uh cart price or whatever the those metrics that e-tailers look for the drive attach you know that kind of stuff they're clearly doing that but i'm also not necessarily one of the people holding a torch going you should be able to plug a coffee lake into a z270 because there does appear to be an actual physical change that they made that they felt was necessary for the most stable and optimal operation um honestly i think one of the big reasons that we only got z370 is intel was fully aware that coffee lake supply was going to be extraordinarily limited and they figured well if people like if we can't keep them on shelves anyway then we might as well sell them to the people that we're gonna go out there and spend the most on the best chipset and the top of the line well that's not what he's saying he's saying that people who are just ready to upgrade who didn't upgrade to z270 can upgrade now but they're gonna have to do that to great expense yeah i mean that's that's that's his whole thing and i'm not i'm making my i'm drawing my own conclusions here about what exactly intel was doing with their strategy so i'll leave it to you guys to sort of come up with your own uh your own answers here but i do want to show you your own answers to something we discussed earlier let's go ahead and pull up our micro transactions poll from earlier in the show fifty dollar game how much is it acceptable to spend per year on micro transactions so first uh alex how much per year is it acceptable to spend one fifty dollar game nothing nothing okay so you are actually the second most popular answer okay 38 of our voters think it's okay to spend up to ten dollars on a fifty dollar game so like a little treat it's a little something for yourself some horse armor you know yeah um canadian that's like that's like six how many rubles is that um okay 31 of you are saying zero dollars period 22 of you 50 bucks and 10 percent of you must be like some kind of mega ballers because you think it's okay to spend between 50 to over a hundred dollars on microtransactions in your game are you for real i can't even imagine spending that kind of money on microtransactions mlg baby you're not hardcore yeah that much is that much i mean i i didn't even spend that much on my car like look at my car it's not even worth a hundred dollars seriously i took it down tried to trade it in new straw pool new straw poll how much would you pay for alliance's car i bet i bet you could get more than 100 bucks okay so that's okay that's a bit of that there's an issue with that though uh you're taking all those phones what's that one on the bottom oh the pixel oh okay so hey guys uh this is another cool teaser so um those of you who aren't subscribed over on floatplane won't actually know this yet but brandon here is going to be working on a first for our channel a smartphone camera roundup that why are you why why are you doing this this is this is how i'm going to be on the show now you're behind the mic yeah that's good stay there stay there because those are those are so ridiculous so anyway um i've never really done in-depth phone camera testing because frankly i mean you're not a camera person i'm not qualified thank you brandon um so so with the pixel 2 and the iphone 8 and to a lesser extent the s8 but definitely the note 8 the camera was like the thing they wanted to talk about so brandon's going to be doing a dedicated video sometime probably next week on float plane hopefully um hopefully maybe the following week really picking these phones apart and figuring out which one is more camera for your dollar attached to a phone and you're throwing a dslr into the mix aren't you yes oh boy well we'll see oh boy many many use cases is that almost a separate video i don't know the whole like should you still buy you know a a 600 700 dslr i want to talk about that you want to talk about it maybe we should just bring you on for like a wan show segment or something i don't know you know my favorite part about this whole thing is brandon hates smartphone camera commentary he hates when people talk about it he hates when there's videos about the iphone camera he hates it now he has to do it to clarify i do not hate the iphone and smartphone cameras being good i do however hate the thousands of articles i've seen over the years about things that are shot on the iphone being making it seem like the iphone was the best tool for i get i i get it it's good enough for this use case and it can work perfectly but there is no one who can sit there and tell me that the iphone is a better camera in most use cases for a professional situation brandon just your pills i can tell you that i won't have any credibility but i can tell you that just to get his blood pressure up right he's not even going to make it into work on monday he'll have had like four heart attacks also i just realized why aren't we calling the pixel xl the pixel the pixico the cool the pixel double xls all right so thanks for watching guys we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel and yes i'm really ending the show on that terrible joke deal with it oh man haha i got the end of show on even worse of a joke what's the baddest grammar yeah halo you can just host a dedicated server we should totally set one up we don't really discuss that we're still live you know oh really i didn't know that oh and if we set up a server it will be a legit game surfer so no bad bad alex\n"