Banning Social Media

**Florida's Social Media Ban Law: A Comprehensive Look**

In recent discussions on Capitol Hill, there has been significant talk about a bill aimed at banning teens from using social media. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has signed this legislation, which is being called one of the most restrictive social media bans in the U.S., particularly for minors. The law will take effect on January 1st next year and will prohibit children under the age of 14 from having social media accounts. This brings back memories of the early days of social media when users had to lie about their ages to create accounts, as platforms like Facebook required users to be at least 13.

### Key Provisions of Florida's Social Media Ban

Under this new law:

- Minors under 14 will be completely banned from having social media accounts.

- Those aged 14 and 15 will require parental permission to create social media accounts.

- The bill reflects a growing trend across several states, including Arkansas, Ohio, and Utah, which have implemented similar restrictions on minors using social media without parental consent.

### Political Landscape and Parental Rights

Interestingly, this bill was initially vetoed by Governor DeSantis but later approved after modifications. It has faced criticism for potentially infringing on parental rights, despite being championed by Republican state house Speaker Paul Renner as a top legislative priority. Some Democrats have also supported the bill, though there are concerns about its potential legal challenges and whether it adequately addresses the complexities of social media regulation.

### Broader Implications and Legal Challenges

The passage of this law sets a precedent for other states considering similar legislation. However, it is not without controversy. Legal experts predict that the law will face challenges in court, particularly regarding its constitutionality and how it impacts free expression. Additionally, tech giants like Meta (Facebook) have yet to respond definitively on how they will enforce such restrictions.

### The TikTok Ban: A Federal Debate

Beyond Florida's social media ban, there has been significant federal activity regarding the proposed TikTok ban. This bill aims to force ByteDance, TikTok's parent company based in China, to sell its U.S. operations to an American entity. The rationale behind this is national security concerns, givenByteDance's ties to the Chinese government and allegations of data misuse.

### Privacy Concerns and Global Repercussions

Critics argue that such a ban could lead to broader issues, such as pushing users towards less regulated platforms and violating user privacy. For instance, requiring minors to provide government IDs for social media access raises questions about data collection practices and the potential for misuse by foreign entities.

### Conclusion: The Future of Social Media Regulation

The debates surrounding these bans highlight the complexities of regulating technology in a globalized world. As states and governments grapple with balancing protection of young users against the rights to free expression and innovation, it remains unclear how these laws will unfold. Whether through state-level restrictions or federal actions like the TikTok ban, the future of social media regulation is poised for significant changes.

In conclusion, while these bans aim to protect minors from the potential harms of social media, they also raise important questions about privacy, government overreach, and international relations. As the conversation continues, it will be crucial to weigh these concerns against the benefits of a free and open internet.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthere is a bill there is only a bill and it's coming to ban your teens from social media on Capital Hill that's right it's to link we're back with another episode about the Florida social media ban this is not another episode we've never done it before but Jacob is here to tell you all about it hi and and I'll tell you about it too we both will what has happened uh well Ronda just signed a law uh he's the Florida governor he's the Florida governor that's important to know he's Florida Governor he's also he's also uh very red in both in both literally and metaphorically he gets a lot of sun he he he seems to he he he's a passionate man okay and what's and you can see it in his face but uh you know okay we need to we need to actually like okay so anyway the point is so he passed this he passed this bill that's being called one of the US's most restrictive social media bands for minors uh and when it takes effect which I believe is uh January 1st next year uh it will children under 14 will not be those just be banned from having social media accounts yeah literally just can't can't do it oh you're or you're or 13 and a half banned we're back to we're back to the early days of social media when you had to be I think over 13 you had well you had to lie I remember when I created my Facebook account I lied you either had to be over 13 or be morally unscrupulous ins scrupulous actually I think my mom lied for me like Jake you want me to you want me to create a create a Facebook account if you're gonna this is the joke you made earlier today if you're GNA like tweets I'd prefer you do it at home if you're going to post to Facebook I'd rather you did it at home mom if you don't let me do it here I'm just going to go to the bar and swipe on Tik Tok you're just going to go to the cyber cafe and they're going to they're going to get unlicensed internet yeah so this is this is pretty wild uh I I remember hearing that uh Florida was was working on this and I know that a number of other states have tried to do similar social media bands where where miners are prevented from uh creating accounts and using these platforms and it's worth noting as well just before keep your keep your thought but the 14 and 15y olds require parental permission right to create social media accounts it also affects them yeah so once you're 16 you know destroy your body melt your brain you can drive and also go on Facebook without mom's permission yeah and you know we joke about it but like there have been many many many many studies done and I feel like it's it's many done by Facebook themselves yeah it's basically an uncontroversial uh truth now that social media is not good for young kids or anyone really or yeah or there's an argument to be made for society yeah yeah and despite this I feel like you know obviously it's uh it is a charged issue like any other issue that uh requires uh people to make laws but um yeah but I think it's somewhat un uncontroversial at this point that social media is not good for for people in general um it it the debate is whether how we do what we do about that yes yes so let's let's get a few more details about this um it this bill has been passed through both houses of the Florida uh state government and has been signed by Governor Ron de santz meaning that as you said it is an actual law now law it just hasn't taken effect yet we're in the we're in the wa fun waiting period the bureaucracy right and in other states where they've tried similar bills uh they've encountered legal challenges from people who are saying you know oh this is that not constitutional or whatever so then Mark Zuckerberg as far as I'm aware uh you know we we said it was the most restrictive social media ban in the country as far as I'm aware other states haven't successfully gone all the way through in making uh such banss law although we should check that oh I was wrong other states have already banned uh social media for miners without parental consent so I believe that's why uh this bill is being called the most restrictive because because I believe AR Arkansas Ohio and Utah I think California has a ban as well although I don't know the details of theirs uh they've banned minors I think each of the states has different uh age limits but for people under a certain age those states have banned social media uh without parental consent which is very interesting so that already exists I didn't actually know that we're in Canada so we don't know uh our parents let us do anything we want as long as we say please and thank you and sorry especially once you're over 18 and you move out uh now what's interesting about this and especially I believe a lot of the states that you mentioned is that they are red States M and these sorts of things well I guess you could make the argument because there's parental permission that it's still it's not necessarily infringing on parents rights though uh one issue that is normally championed by the Republican party is small government yes which this obviously is not though I will say about parental permission uh one person I had an issue with this Florida Bill uh in insal for was none other than uh signer of this bill Ronda santz yeah yeah who uh actually vetoed it initially because it initially was everyone uh 16 and under no no social media for you right and then he I guess he settled he was like all right I'll give it to you guys if you like make it parental permission for for 14 and 15 year- olds I did find that interesting I I one of the earlier articles I was reading about it was like mentioned that other people were opposing it but uh it is interesting to see that because I I believe this bill was not put forward by Ron descendant it it was put forward by the uh Republicans State Senate Republicans yeah yeah and so you know or I should say House Republicans because I know it was the top legislative priority according to the guardian for Republican state house Speaker Paul rener right right okay yeah so like we're going to try our best obviously to like not get too political uh with this discussion but obviously it is a political uh issue and as you said it's interesting at the very least uh to see that this is an issue where you know Republicans are at the front of of the issue trying to trying to Institute these banss while in other scenarios like say changes to school curriculum Republicans are for more parents rights in that scenario and in this scenario one of the things that the Dem have said against this bill is that oh you know it doesn't respect parents rights enough um so you know that's just interesting at least at least one cuz there are it's worth noting for for accuracy and for you know nonpartisanship some Democrats did join the majority of the Republican majority who supported this bill MH like there were there were Democrats who were like yeah I'm for it right but like you also have people like Anna eskamani she's the Democratic state house representative and she said in a news release that uh the alternative it would be better to ensure improved parental oversight tools improved access to data to stop at actors uh alongside major investments in Florida mental health systems and programs I I do think that's an interesting point yeah just because those are those seem like more General supports mhm and so it wouldn't be so the bill wouldn't be so one-sided and it seems weirdly weirdly surgical because there's probably o like I mean there's there's there's per there's areas of Gray from what I understand from the law what they're looking at specifically are like they they they don't necessarily name any specific platforms but they name ones that have like infinite scrolling uh liking as like an ability these sorts of things so there are like like with any law there are things that maybe are similar to what they are trying to get rid of that aren't necessarily covered under the law so having something like to play you know I guess Devil's Advocate depending on where you land uh this suggestion of just generally supporting parental oversight tools on all platforms and supporting mental health to treat sort of things that are like social media addiction make some logical sense with any of these bills there's going to be particularities that are brought up because we haven't brought we haven't read the bill M so like even if you are broadly for the idea that uh you know children under a certain age shouldn't be allowed to create accounts and use social media you might have an issue with the way that these bills are presented and like some of the language in them and that's a that a lot of the opposition to certain bills in the process of government often comes down to like okay the bill is about this but they also have this little section that's like saying that they're going to do this and I'm against that so then you have to oppose the bill broadly and that's you know that's why things take so long in case you were wondering why nothing ever gets done uh it's because you know there's so many safeguards in place if you want something else then you might have to you know try to get that uh I don't know Communist Revolution going if that's what you're into you alluded to something earlier that I think is important to remember when you're when you know we're talking about all these like Tik Tock bands and social media bands and whatnot uh spoilers yeah spoilers we are going to talk about the Tik Tok band as well in a few minutes um it's that these bands are targeting the features of the platform themselves the kind of addictive qualities the the constant notifications you get the algorithmic uh like tendency to push certain types of content over other types of content it's not the content itself that's the problem it's the way that the platforms are are dealing with it that ends up being just like that are you know enticing you to spend more and more time on the platforms you know at at the risk of sounding uh like an Oldman when I was young well there you go you already did it when I when I was in when I was in high school you know we had MSN chat or whatever Facebook really started once I was in second year university or first year and uh I remember asking some Honeys for their MSN Messenger that was a big deal when I worked up the courage to do that see I was too busy talking to the to the chatbot there's there was a chat bot they had chat they had a chat bot on MSN and could go and talk to them I mean it was talk to it it was uh very very very simple and you could kind of exhaust all the possibilities of conversation with it in like a few minutes but it was like anyway it was actually really interesting it was before llms and all that obviously but regardless I didn't I didn't have to deal with this like toxic sludge grow yeah uh and and there is like and I can't imagine how what it's doing I can see why people don't want their kids on social media especially cuz like you know the one the one argument for why kids should be on social media is because their friends are on social media and that's not a good argument for everything parents have been dismissing that argument for years with Bridge based arguments yeah it's a bridge based arguments are the core of yeah jumping off bridge arguments that's a really good point you just made Jacob but I'll tell you what's an even better point is the fact that this video is sponsored by Moose end hey that's right we have sponsors on talk L did you forget with Moen you can create utterly beautiful and effective email campaigns using customizable templates segmentation tools and personalized Dynamic elements it could not get any better than that Riley and after you've launched your campaign calculate your next steps with their Advanced Analytical tools what are you waiting for get a move on and follow the link below to try moose and free for 30 days and save 10% and of four stomachs this this bill as we've as we've said is far from uh being actually enacted uh they're probably they're definitely going to face legal challenges both from you know uh groups that oppose them uh oppose the idea just on like political merits and they're also going to be definitely opposed by the social media companies because you can make a law as much as you want the people that make money you can make you can make a law you can make regulations as much as you want but then it's going to be up to the companies that you're regulating to enact those regulations we're seeing this with the EU and their attempts to Wrangle Apple and Google and and Microsoft they're apparently being really easy on doing some of the greatest bureaucratic work of our time yeah kind of there are some missteps but that's not what this video is about again we're not in Europe and Europeans probably have their own thoughts about uh this legislation and all that but regardless you know to use the U as an example they say okay you're going to you have to allow third party app stores Apple and Apple's like okay this is how we're going to do it let us know weeks P com weeks P the EU finally says hey that's not okay and then Apple says oh okay here we'll come up with something else weeks pass here's our new law you know now I'm going into the future this hasn't happened yet but um it's going to be a process and in the meantime how many CH kids brains will be melted and slurped into as as by Mark Zuckerberg yes to fuel his reptilian regime and body to give him the fuel to BJJ Elon Musk another thing to consider about this you know the Fallout is uh how related companies I mean I don't know if if uh praw Hub I think has how you can say they have the best freaking Seafood without the without the algorithms catching you uh you know are they a social media site is you YouTube I think technically is a social media site there is a lot of interesting things that are post on porn prawn Hub that are not prawn based they may be shrimp or crawfish based that's true but regardless I mean you could view that as a form of social media yeah people are in the comments saying things that they would also say in YouTube comments I know I've read our YouTube comments actually that's a great point will YouTube will these kids be allowed to go on YouTube oh YouTube has a whole kids app no that's that's gone now you sure I'm pretty pretty sure I'm pretty sure they got rid of YouTube kids you can go ahead and check that out but they definitely do have like infinite scrolling and liking and um all of that so YouTube could be one of those forms of social media that kids are not allowed on which YouTube's definitely going to have a problem with because that's big business YouTube uh child entertainment on YouTube is massive look at CoCo melon as just one as the most well-known example and that's just one oh I mean don't even get me started on crappy kids content but yeah apparently YouTube kids I think is still a thing okay um which I know because I went to use it and you have a YouTube kid I have a a YouTube kid he's got his own channel we're going to support him uh get him sponsor brand deals welome to my Channel today we talk about dinosaurs this this demetron anyways pra hub uh said they're prepared to block Florida if uh the child safety law takes effect because um they're going to require IDs and I think that a big part of like that's sort of the example of this of this sort of legislation is that there's like even California they introduced laws to try and make like IDs like try and ID users mhm to prevent them from going and looking at adult sites like like PornHub right and that's actually you know as well a fair criticism of this type of law is that okay your kids are going online and now you're requiring them to give social media companies even more sensitive data about them in the form of like your government ID yeah so you know that's that's one Fair objection or freaking biometric data which is something that was it's not been put into effect but it was something that was suggested by believe the United Kingdom because that's something that they're looking into in terms of uh is is is solutions to preventing uh children from you know accessing right uh let's say red band Red Band content right yes so porn pornub is incentivized to you know stop this law from being enacted because a lot of their users don't want to have to put in IDs and and whatnot uh but at the same time I don't want to be ided just to watch all of my math tutorials Math Master there is a dude on there who just does calculus like tutorials does he call it math turbation no the other argument that PornHub gives though is the fact that like okay you're going to stop people from going on our site but like you're regulating like we're going to abide by this because we're a big company and you know we're visible there's a mil we can lose the penis of the United States sure but there's no I mean they're just more visible but they they're they're tons and tons and and tons of more uh websites out there that are less regulated and less visible that are still going to host porn and then you're just going to push kids and whoever more towards these sketchier and sketchier sites that's their argument I you know I I'm not going to give a take on this right now because then we're just going to get into the weeds yeah um but we're going to uh people make similar arguments about like really OB able opinions and whether you should be able to share those on social media moderation yep the I mean this is such a deep conversation but the thing that I definitely wanted to mention while we're here is the Tik Tock uh you know it's being it's being widely called the Tik Tock ban bill which is a federal uh Federal legislation Tik Tok baned Bill we want Bill back bring him back Tik Tok it's being called the band bill but it's not a ban bill it's kind of like a if you don't do this then you'll get banned and the thing that they have to do is it's an offer you can't refuse Bill yes yeah they're they're trying to legislate uh that a platform as large and influential uh in American society as and foreign operated as Tik Tok has to be owned by an American company so the deal is bite dance the owner of Tik Tok has to sell Tik Tok uh divest itself of it in order for Tik Tok to remain operating in the US mhm and without VPN I don't I I really don't know where I personally sit on this but one thing that we do know is bite dance doesn't want to sell well China doesn't want B to sell it's both well I mean yeah you know who wants who wants to who wants to get rid of a literal pile of money yeah no one no one's you know you're right America I'm going to take this giant pile of money and I'm going to set it on fire Joker Style well that's the so this is the whole question it really comes down to because the ostensibly the reason why the US government wants to ban Tik Tock is because of this whole thing that China has with certain well with all companies technically I think I'm not sure whether it's a threshold thing but uh companies have to give the Chinese government data when the Chinese government comes knocking MH and and the US knowing about this uh law MH is suddenly now I mean years ago they've done things they they banned it from from uh work phones for government officials but the reason the reason they're doing all that is because now they're treating basically every Chinese company as if it's the CCP yeah and and I mean that remains to be seen whether that's kind of because we don't know not without not without reason because there were reports that came out that that bite dance employees were able to access the location of journalists yes using using Tik Tok I think that unquestionably well but the the question is are they giving that data to the government yeah it's one like obviously social media companies are tracking our every thought you know but the question is are is bite dance and you know other big companies that Chinese companies that have been the bad guy in the tech world world for you know a spell Huawei uh are they are they actually guilty of just like straight feeding data from users to the Chinese government and I don't think you're crazy if you think that that's the case I think that that's it's reasonable to think that if you're dealing with a Chinese company that the CCP is going to is could easily get their hands on that data if they don't already however I also don't know how much we should act as if when we're dealing with Tik Tok like the CCP owns all these companies because they don't own them yeah but they have incredible influence on them but like even if they're not giving location to the CCP another question that I would I would raise because of the point I raised it CU I double checked it and I looked at sources now is do you do you want to trust a company that even if they're not giving your location to China their employees can improperly access datah mhm on the location of journalists and andar apparently they've done things to make that better they they did like move their servers so they're they're they have local they they store North American users data in North American servers yeah and I believe that elsewhere data is stored in Singapore I mean they're located in Singapore I think European D users data is stored on on a European server but you know I don't know it's there's so many unknowns the other argument of course is is why is America just doing this for the for the CH for the one Chinese social media platform what about all the American ones the the the the real time location of all those 14year olds is the property of the US government yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean right and so is that a double standard this is kind of why when it comes to like Chinese phones I have like I don't know how to feel because on the one hand you have your you know North American phones or whatever or like non-chinese phones uh that is almost certainly giving data to these big social media companies who may or may not give it to the government if they ask on the other hand you have these Chinese phones who are like let's say for the sake of argument they're certainly giving it to the CCP support americanmade spyware which one's but like which one's better it's almost like I would rather have my data being harvested by someone who barely like an entity that barely affects my life the CCP maybe through like broad economic trends like it gets around to me but like if they know you know my preferences and and where I work it's like do I care more about that or do I care about like a local company or or a local government agency that is going to exert more power over my life directly do I care about them having it it's like I don't know I don't know well we live in a world where if I'm not mistaken a few years ago there was a a lovely young woman uh who was I believe the student body president in of the University of Toronto and she just happened to be from Tibet and uh when she was elected or when she made a certain post uh wouldn't you know she was bombarded with negative sentiments from uh Chinese speaking people M and one of the things that came up was whether or not that was uh foreign action like like these are these are possibly uh foreign agents trying to fight the you know uh how what's the best what's the how's the most diplomatic way for me to say this uh that Tibet exists to fight to fight that whether Tibet is its own thing or whether it belongs to a lot of people in the world that may be a controversial statement yeah it is it is for a lot of people in the world so so like that was something that straight up affected Canadians right and so on the other hand you might say that like China having your preferences is is is the entity that's going to least affect you on a daily basis but on the other hand it might be the one that most affects you on a daily basis because they literally they they they may or may not have agents that are just they their whole job is to like just hurt people on social media yeah well I mean so like you kind of bring up an important question because it's like you could view Tik Tok as a foreign agent if you're making this connection between them and the CCP and then it's like okay say for the sake of argument that there's a connection there we have already like as it regards this bill there has been China influenced action on American citizens so like they once news of this bill came out Tik Tok made a push not they they pushed a notification to Tik Tok users saying hey this bill is being passed through Congress if it if they pass it no Tik Tok for you Tik Tok could be could be banned this they're saying that it's not a ban but like trust us it's a ban and then all the people who depend on Tik Tok for their businesses and who like for them it's like a way of life it's like or just like dancing sure they they called they they were told by Tik Tok to call the representatives and they did on mass phone lines were flooded uh threats were made uh well I mean that's just that's just what happens yeah yeah so like you have you have a foreign owned company telling its American user base which is huge to go and enact some thing do some take some action that affects the US government and it happens that's a little scary it is a little scary I mean I feel like I calling but to do something similar and they I don't know if they succeeded or failed but does that does do what is what is China doing that that we that the US is is failing at that they can they can get this loyal following and and get get young people actually interested in politics well I it apparently the thing that Tik Tok is doing well is their algorithm yes so what like it's it's widely regarded as the best recommendation algorithm in the industry and a big reason why it works so fast it's so fast and it's so like good at serving people exactly what they want to see and what will be interesting to them and so like you said earlier China doesn't want to sell bite dance doesn't want to sell uh and the reason China is like definitely like they are invested in not selling is because in order to sell uh Tik Tok to an American owner or whatever they would have to Grant an technology export license for the Tik Tok algorithm M uh which you know in their mind is like this is like a Chinese asset this is like a this is like Innovation that happened here and now we're going to like give it to someone else yeah they don't want to do that obviously it would be like it would be like Oppenheimer like granting an export license on on the nuke to Russia it would be exactly like that I haven't seen the movie but I'm assuming he didn't Grant it they got it anyway they they did Via Espionage yeah but we've been trying we can't build our own nuke AKA uh good algorithms um so so yeah apparently the bill the Tik Tok ban bill quote unquote is stalled in the Senate right now because the house passed it like crazy con the federal Congress they they it was a landslide and now it's got to the Senate and now people are kind of like waking up and realizing wait a second this is a bit more complicated uh this is a tech company they're regulated by a a buttload of different government committees and and agencies and so that's going to be complicated and that brings up an interesting point on why why this you know Bill might be stalled is you know is this is this the right way to go about this because not only was this bill happening but now it's come out that apparently uh the FTC could sue them now if you don't know what the Federal Trade Commission is you might know their their their little known failure where they didn't stop Microsoft from acquiring Activision Blizzard they're still trying even though they're doing their d everyone else is acting like it's already happened yeah well it did already happen what they're trying to do now is make them divest right good luck reverse Uno reverse card ChaCha Slide reverse reverse yeah but now it's come out at least according to a few sources that we've seen one from Politico that uh they are investigating Tik Tok over uh faulty privacy and data security practices and they they could they could uh Sue uh not just Tik Tok but maybe also bite dance cuz they're weighing a quote from the source political Source uh they're weighing allegations that Tik Tok and it's Beijing based parent company bite dance de deceived its users by denying that individuals in China had access to their data and also violated the children's Privacy Law so even if the the Tik Tok ban bill doesn't go all the way through they're still going to be in trouble in one way or another I it's hard to see how this is going to end with Tik Tok just kind of chilling just like nothing changes cuz like the government clearly wants something to something something's got to give they want they want their pound of Flesh yeah so we'll have to see I mean there there's so many questions about whether government even has whether this is actually the proper role of government to to like try and regulate platforms uh in the way that it's trying to do like obviously state governments are doing their own thing and the the federal government is is has National security is uh issues at those are at play here but you know I don't know it comes down to how you whether you believe that you have a fundamental constitutional right to to swipe up and down all day and whether your kids do too and occasionally swipe left and swipe right so that's all from us uh it was a little uh Meandering today but there's a lot of topics that we kind of wanted to cover it's it's there a lot questions to ask let us know in the comments what you think about the social media banss and whether you think talk is going to uh cause climate change and uh yeah maybe we'll see in the next one and then also tell us what is your favorite animal for a little bit little bit of positivity just tell us what your favorite animal is and then tell us why we're wrong on everything why is it the red panda even though there's like 12200 left of them the wild I don't know I don't know why you chose the one like one of the two Chinese animals like they're going to think we're I love the red panda they're going to think we're like we're like false Flags now we've been bought by China watch three body problem and then you'll won't think the CCP is so great okay uh subscribe to TechLink see you later bye I love you too oh okay therethere is a bill there is only a bill and it's coming to ban your teens from social media on Capital Hill that's right it's to link we're back with another episode about the Florida social media ban this is not another episode we've never done it before but Jacob is here to tell you all about it hi and and I'll tell you about it too we both will what has happened uh well Ronda just signed a law uh he's the Florida governor he's the Florida governor that's important to know he's Florida Governor he's also he's also uh very red in both in both literally and metaphorically he gets a lot of sun he he he seems to he he he's a passionate man okay and what's and you can see it in his face but uh you know okay we need to we need to actually like okay so anyway the point is so he passed this he passed this bill that's being called one of the US's most restrictive social media bands for minors uh and when it takes effect which I believe is uh January 1st next year uh it will children under 14 will not be those just be banned from having social media accounts yeah literally just can't can't do it oh you're or you're or 13 and a half banned we're back to we're back to the early days of social media when you had to be I think over 13 you had well you had to lie I remember when I created my Facebook account I lied you either had to be over 13 or be morally unscrupulous ins scrupulous actually I think my mom lied for me like Jake you want me to you want me to create a create a Facebook account if you're gonna this is the joke you made earlier today if you're GNA like tweets I'd prefer you do it at home if you're going to post to Facebook I'd rather you did it at home mom if you don't let me do it here I'm just going to go to the bar and swipe on Tik Tok you're just going to go to the cyber cafe and they're going to they're going to get unlicensed internet yeah so this is this is pretty wild uh I I remember hearing that uh Florida was was working on this and I know that a number of other states have tried to do similar social media bands where where miners are prevented from uh creating accounts and using these platforms and it's worth noting as well just before keep your keep your thought but the 14 and 15y olds require parental permission right to create social media accounts it also affects them yeah so once you're 16 you know destroy your body melt your brain you can drive and also go on Facebook without mom's permission yeah and you know we joke about it but like there have been many many many many studies done and I feel like it's it's many done by Facebook themselves yeah it's basically an uncontroversial uh truth now that social media is not good for young kids or anyone really or yeah or there's an argument to be made for society yeah yeah and despite this I feel like you know obviously it's uh it is a charged issue like any other issue that uh requires uh people to make laws but um yeah but I think it's somewhat un uncontroversial at this point that social media is not good for for people in general um it it the debate is whether how we do what we do about that yes yes so let's let's get a few more details about this um it this bill has been passed through both houses of the Florida uh state government and has been signed by Governor Ron de santz meaning that as you said it is an actual law now law it just hasn't taken effect yet we're in the we're in the wa fun waiting period the bureaucracy right and in other states where they've tried similar bills uh they've encountered legal challenges from people who are saying you know oh this is that not constitutional or whatever so then Mark Zuckerberg as far as I'm aware uh you know we we said it was the most restrictive social media ban in the country as far as I'm aware other states haven't successfully gone all the way through in making uh such banss law although we should check that oh I was wrong other states have already banned uh social media for miners without parental consent so I believe that's why uh this bill is being called the most restrictive because because I believe AR Arkansas Ohio and Utah I think California has a ban as well although I don't know the details of theirs uh they've banned minors I think each of the states has different uh age limits but for people under a certain age those states have banned social media uh without parental consent which is very interesting so that already exists I didn't actually know that we're in Canada so we don't know uh our parents let us do anything we want as long as we say please and thank you and sorry especially once you're over 18 and you move out uh now what's interesting about this and especially I believe a lot of the states that you mentioned is that they are red States M and these sorts of things well I guess you could make the argument because there's parental permission that it's still it's not necessarily infringing on parents rights though uh one issue that is normally championed by the Republican party is small government yes which this obviously is not though I will say about parental permission uh one person I had an issue with this Florida Bill uh in insal for was none other than uh signer of this bill Ronda santz yeah yeah who uh actually vetoed it initially because it initially was everyone uh 16 and under no no social media for you right and then he I guess he settled he was like all right I'll give it to you guys if you like make it parental permission for for 14 and 15 year- olds I did find that interesting I I one of the earlier articles I was reading about it was like mentioned that other people were opposing it but uh it is interesting to see that because I I believe this bill was not put forward by Ron descendant it it was put forward by the uh Republicans State Senate Republicans yeah yeah and so you know or I should say House Republicans because I know it was the top legislative priority according to the guardian for Republican state house Speaker Paul rener right right okay yeah so like we're going to try our best obviously to like not get too political uh with this discussion but obviously it is a political uh issue and as you said it's interesting at the very least uh to see that this is an issue where you know Republicans are at the front of of the issue trying to trying to Institute these banss while in other scenarios like say changes to school curriculum Republicans are for more parents rights in that scenario and in this scenario one of the things that the Dem have said against this bill is that oh you know it doesn't respect parents rights enough um so you know that's just interesting at least at least one cuz there are it's worth noting for for accuracy and for you know nonpartisanship some Democrats did join the majority of the Republican majority who supported this bill MH like there were there were Democrats who were like yeah I'm for it right but like you also have people like Anna eskamani she's the Democratic state house representative and she said in a news release that uh the alternative it would be better to ensure improved parental oversight tools improved access to data to stop at actors uh alongside major investments in Florida mental health systems and programs I I do think that's an interesting point yeah just because those are those seem like more General supports mhm and so it wouldn't be so the bill wouldn't be so one-sided and it seems weirdly weirdly surgical because there's probably o like I mean there's there's there's per there's areas of Gray from what I understand from the law what they're looking at specifically are like they they they don't necessarily name any specific platforms but they name ones that have like infinite scrolling uh liking as like an ability these sorts of things so there are like like with any law there are things that maybe are similar to what they are trying to get rid of that aren't necessarily covered under the law so having something like to play you know I guess Devil's Advocate depending on where you land uh this suggestion of just generally supporting parental oversight tools on all platforms and supporting mental health to treat sort of things that are like social media addiction make some logical sense with any of these bills there's going to be particularities that are brought up because we haven't brought we haven't read the bill M so like even if you are broadly for the idea that uh you know children under a certain age shouldn't be allowed to create accounts and use social media you might have an issue with the way that these bills are presented and like some of the language in them and that's a that a lot of the opposition to certain bills in the process of government often comes down to like okay the bill is about this but they also have this little section that's like saying that they're going to do this and I'm against that so then you have to oppose the bill broadly and that's you know that's why things take so long in case you were wondering why nothing ever gets done uh it's because you know there's so many safeguards in place if you want something else then you might have to you know try to get that uh I don't know Communist Revolution going if that's what you're into you alluded to something earlier that I think is important to remember when you're when you know we're talking about all these like Tik Tock bands and social media bands and whatnot uh spoilers yeah spoilers we are going to talk about the Tik Tok band as well in a few minutes um it's that these bands are targeting the features of the platform themselves the kind of addictive qualities the the constant notifications you get the algorithmic uh like tendency to push certain types of content over other types of content it's not the content itself that's the problem it's the way that the platforms are are dealing with it that ends up being just like that are you know enticing you to spend more and more time on the platforms you know at at the risk of sounding uh like an Oldman when I was young well there you go you already did it when I when I was in when I was in high school you know we had MSN chat or whatever Facebook really started once I was in second year university or first year and uh I remember asking some Honeys for their MSN Messenger that was a big deal when I worked up the courage to do that see I was too busy talking to the to the chatbot there's there was a chat bot they had chat they had a chat bot on MSN and could go and talk to them I mean it was talk to it it was uh very very very simple and you could kind of exhaust all the possibilities of conversation with it in like a few minutes but it was like anyway it was actually really interesting it was before llms and all that obviously but regardless I didn't I didn't have to deal with this like toxic sludge grow yeah uh and and there is like and I can't imagine how what it's doing I can see why people don't want their kids on social media especially cuz like you know the one the one argument for why kids should be on social media is because their friends are on social media and that's not a good argument for everything parents have been dismissing that argument for years with Bridge based arguments yeah it's a bridge based arguments are the core of yeah jumping off bridge arguments that's a really good point you just made Jacob but I'll tell you what's an even better point is the fact that this video is sponsored by Moose end hey that's right we have sponsors on talk L did you forget with Moen you can create utterly beautiful and effective email campaigns using customizable templates segmentation tools and personalized Dynamic elements it could not get any better than that Riley and after you've launched your campaign calculate your next steps with their Advanced Analytical tools what are you waiting for get a move on and follow the link below to try moose and free for 30 days and save 10% and of four stomachs this this bill as we've as we've said is far from uh being actually enacted uh they're probably they're definitely going to face legal challenges both from you know uh groups that oppose them uh oppose the idea just on like political merits and they're also going to be definitely opposed by the social media companies because you can make a law as much as you want the people that make money you can make you can make a law you can make regulations as much as you want but then it's going to be up to the companies that you're regulating to enact those regulations we're seeing this with the EU and their attempts to Wrangle Apple and Google and and Microsoft they're apparently being really easy on doing some of the greatest bureaucratic work of our time yeah kind of there are some missteps but that's not what this video is about again we're not in Europe and Europeans probably have their own thoughts about uh this legislation and all that but regardless you know to use the U as an example they say okay you're going to you have to allow third party app stores Apple and Apple's like okay this is how we're going to do it let us know weeks P com weeks P the EU finally says hey that's not okay and then Apple says oh okay here we'll come up with something else weeks pass here's our new law you know now I'm going into the future this hasn't happened yet but um it's going to be a process and in the meantime how many CH kids brains will be melted and slurped into as as by Mark Zuckerberg yes to fuel his reptilian regime and body to give him the fuel to BJJ Elon Musk another thing to consider about this you know the Fallout is uh how related companies I mean I don't know if if uh praw Hub I think has how you can say they have the best freaking Seafood without the without the algorithms catching you uh you know are they a social media site is you YouTube I think technically is a social media site there is a lot of interesting things that are post on porn prawn Hub that are not prawn based they may be shrimp or crawfish based that's true but regardless I mean you could view that as a form of social media yeah people are in the comments saying things that they would also say in YouTube comments I know I've read our YouTube comments actually that's a great point will YouTube will these kids be allowed to go on YouTube oh YouTube has a whole kids app no that's that's gone now you sure I'm pretty pretty sure I'm pretty sure they got rid of YouTube kids you can go ahead and check that out but they definitely do have like infinite scrolling and liking and um all of that so YouTube could be one of those forms of social media that kids are not allowed on which YouTube's definitely going to have a problem with because that's big business YouTube uh child entertainment on YouTube is massive look at CoCo melon as just one as the most well-known example and that's just one oh I mean don't even get me started on crappy kids content but yeah apparently YouTube kids I think is still a thing okay um which I know because I went to use it and you have a YouTube kid I have a a YouTube kid he's got his own channel we're going to support him uh get him sponsor brand deals welome to my Channel today we talk about dinosaurs this this demetron anyways pra hub uh said they're prepared to block Florida if uh the child safety law takes effect because um they're going to require IDs and I think that a big part of like that's sort of the example of this of this sort of legislation is that there's like even California they introduced laws to try and make like IDs like try and ID users mhm to prevent them from going and looking at adult sites like like PornHub right and that's actually you know as well a fair criticism of this type of law is that okay your kids are going online and now you're requiring them to give social media companies even more sensitive data about them in the form of like your government ID yeah so you know that's that's one Fair objection or freaking biometric data which is something that was it's not been put into effect but it was something that was suggested by believe the United Kingdom because that's something that they're looking into in terms of uh is is is solutions to preventing uh children from you know accessing right uh let's say red band Red Band content right yes so porn pornub is incentivized to you know stop this law from being enacted because a lot of their users don't want to have to put in IDs and and whatnot uh but at the same time I don't want to be ided just to watch all of my math tutorials Math Master there is a dude on there who just does calculus like tutorials does he call it math turbation no the other argument that PornHub gives though is the fact that like okay you're going to stop people from going on our site but like you're regulating like we're going to abide by this because we're a big company and you know we're visible there's a mil we can lose the penis of the United States sure but there's no I mean they're just more visible but they they're they're tons and tons and and tons of more uh websites out there that are less regulated and less visible that are still going to host porn and then you're just going to push kids and whoever more towards these sketchier and sketchier sites that's their argument I you know I I'm not going to give a take on this right now because then we're just going to get into the weeds yeah um but we're going to uh people make similar arguments about like really OB able opinions and whether you should be able to share those on social media moderation yep the I mean this is such a deep conversation but the thing that I definitely wanted to mention while we're here is the Tik Tock uh you know it's being it's being widely called the Tik Tock ban bill which is a federal uh Federal legislation Tik Tok baned Bill we want Bill back bring him back Tik Tok it's being called the band bill but it's not a ban bill it's kind of like a if you don't do this then you'll get banned and the thing that they have to do is it's an offer you can't refuse Bill yes yeah they're they're trying to legislate uh that a platform as large and influential uh in American society as and foreign operated as Tik Tok has to be owned by an American company so the deal is bite dance the owner of Tik Tok has to sell Tik Tok uh divest itself of it in order for Tik Tok to remain operating in the US mhm and without VPN I don't I I really don't know where I personally sit on this but one thing that we do know is bite dance doesn't want to sell well China doesn't want B to sell it's both well I mean yeah you know who wants who wants to who wants to get rid of a literal pile of money yeah no one no one's you know you're right America I'm going to take this giant pile of money and I'm going to set it on fire Joker Style well that's the so this is the whole question it really comes down to because the ostensibly the reason why the US government wants to ban Tik Tock is because of this whole thing that China has with certain well with all companies technically I think I'm not sure whether it's a threshold thing but uh companies have to give the Chinese government data when the Chinese government comes knocking MH and and the US knowing about this uh law MH is suddenly now I mean years ago they've done things they they banned it from from uh work phones for government officials but the reason the reason they're doing all that is because now they're treating basically every Chinese company as if it's the CCP yeah and and I mean that remains to be seen whether that's kind of because we don't know not without not without reason because there were reports that came out that that bite dance employees were able to access the location of journalists yes using using Tik Tok I think that unquestionably well but the the question is are they giving that data to the government yeah it's one like obviously social media companies are tracking our every thought you know but the question is are is bite dance and you know other big companies that Chinese companies that have been the bad guy in the tech world world for you know a spell Huawei uh are they are they actually guilty of just like straight feeding data from users to the Chinese government and I don't think you're crazy if you think that that's the case I think that that's it's reasonable to think that if you're dealing with a Chinese company that the CCP is going to is could easily get their hands on that data if they don't already however I also don't know how much we should act as if when we're dealing with Tik Tok like the CCP owns all these companies because they don't own them yeah but they have incredible influence on them but like even if they're not giving location to the CCP another question that I would I would raise because of the point I raised it CU I double checked it and I looked at sources now is do you do you want to trust a company that even if they're not giving your location to China their employees can improperly access datah mhm on the location of journalists and andar apparently they've done things to make that better they they did like move their servers so they're they're they have local they they store North American users data in North American servers yeah and I believe that elsewhere data is stored in Singapore I mean they're located in Singapore I think European D users data is stored on on a European server but you know I don't know it's there's so many unknowns the other argument of course is is why is America just doing this for the for the CH for the one Chinese social media platform what about all the American ones the the the the real time location of all those 14year olds is the property of the US government yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean right and so is that a double standard this is kind of why when it comes to like Chinese phones I have like I don't know how to feel because on the one hand you have your you know North American phones or whatever or like non-chinese phones uh that is almost certainly giving data to these big social media companies who may or may not give it to the government if they ask on the other hand you have these Chinese phones who are like let's say for the sake of argument they're certainly giving it to the CCP support americanmade spyware which one's but like which one's better it's almost like I would rather have my data being harvested by someone who barely like an entity that barely affects my life the CCP maybe through like broad economic trends like it gets around to me but like if they know you know my preferences and and where I work it's like do I care more about that or do I care about like a local company or or a local government agency that is going to exert more power over my life directly do I care about them having it it's like I don't know I don't know well we live in a world where if I'm not mistaken a few years ago there was a a lovely young woman uh who was I believe the student body president in of the University of Toronto and she just happened to be from Tibet and uh when she was elected or when she made a certain post uh wouldn't you know she was bombarded with negative sentiments from uh Chinese speaking people M and one of the things that came up was whether or not that was uh foreign action like like these are these are possibly uh foreign agents trying to fight the you know uh how what's the best what's the how's the most diplomatic way for me to say this uh that Tibet exists to fight to fight that whether Tibet is its own thing or whether it belongs to a lot of people in the world that may be a controversial statement yeah it is it is for a lot of people in the world so so like that was something that straight up affected Canadians right and so on the other hand you might say that like China having your preferences is is is the entity that's going to least affect you on a daily basis but on the other hand it might be the one that most affects you on a daily basis because they literally they they they may or may not have agents that are just they their whole job is to like just hurt people on social media yeah well I mean so like you kind of bring up an important question because it's like you could view Tik Tok as a foreign agent if you're making this connection between them and the CCP and then it's like okay say for the sake of argument that there's a connection there we have already like as it regards this bill there has been China influenced action on American citizens so like they once news of this bill came out Tik Tok made a push not they they pushed a notification to Tik Tok users saying hey this bill is being passed through Congress if it if they pass it no Tik Tok for you Tik Tok could be could be banned this they're saying that it's not a ban but like trust us it's a ban and then all the people who depend on Tik Tok for their businesses and who like for them it's like a way of life it's like or just like dancing sure they they called they they were told by Tik Tok to call the representatives and they did on mass phone lines were flooded uh threats were made uh well I mean that's just that's just what happens yeah yeah so like you have you have a foreign owned company telling its American user base which is huge to go and enact some thing do some take some action that affects the US government and it happens that's a little scary it is a little scary I mean I feel like I calling but to do something similar and they I don't know if they succeeded or failed but does that does do what is what is China doing that that we that the US is is failing at that they can they can get this loyal following and and get get young people actually interested in politics well I it apparently the thing that Tik Tok is doing well is their algorithm yes so what like it's it's widely regarded as the best recommendation algorithm in the industry and a big reason why it works so fast it's so fast and it's so like good at serving people exactly what they want to see and what will be interesting to them and so like you said earlier China doesn't want to sell bite dance doesn't want to sell uh and the reason China is like definitely like they are invested in not selling is because in order to sell uh Tik Tok to an American owner or whatever they would have to Grant an technology export license for the Tik Tok algorithm M uh which you know in their mind is like this is like a Chinese asset this is like a this is like Innovation that happened here and now we're going to like give it to someone else yeah they don't want to do that obviously it would be like it would be like Oppenheimer like granting an export license on on the nuke to Russia it would be exactly like that I haven't seen the movie but I'm assuming he didn't Grant it they got it anyway they they did Via Espionage yeah but we've been trying we can't build our own nuke AKA uh good algorithms um so so yeah apparently the bill the Tik Tok ban bill quote unquote is stalled in the Senate right now because the house passed it like crazy con the federal Congress they they it was a landslide and now it's got to the Senate and now people are kind of like waking up and realizing wait a second this is a bit more complicated uh this is a tech company they're regulated by a a buttload of different government committees and and agencies and so that's going to be complicated and that brings up an interesting point on why why this you know Bill might be stalled is you know is this is this the right way to go about this because not only was this bill happening but now it's come out that apparently uh the FTC could sue them now if you don't know what the Federal Trade Commission is you might know their their their little known failure where they didn't stop Microsoft from acquiring Activision Blizzard they're still trying even though they're doing their d everyone else is acting like it's already happened yeah well it did already happen what they're trying to do now is make them divest right good luck reverse Uno reverse card ChaCha Slide reverse reverse yeah but now it's come out at least according to a few sources that we've seen one from Politico that uh they are investigating Tik Tok over uh faulty privacy and data security practices and they they could they could uh Sue uh not just Tik Tok but maybe also bite dance cuz they're weighing a quote from the source political Source uh they're weighing allegations that Tik Tok and it's Beijing based parent company bite dance de deceived its users by denying that individuals in China had access to their data and also violated the children's Privacy Law so even if the the Tik Tok ban bill doesn't go all the way through they're still going to be in trouble in one way or another I it's hard to see how this is going to end with Tik Tok just kind of chilling just like nothing changes cuz like the government clearly wants something to something something's got to give they want they want their pound of Flesh yeah so we'll have to see I mean there there's so many questions about whether government even has whether this is actually the proper role of government to to like try and regulate platforms uh in the way that it's trying to do like obviously state governments are doing their own thing and the the federal government is is has National security is uh issues at those are at play here but you know I don't know it comes down to how you whether you believe that you have a fundamental constitutional right to to swipe up and down all day and whether your kids do too and occasionally swipe left and swipe right so that's all from us uh it was a little uh Meandering today but there's a lot of topics that we kind of wanted to cover it's it's there a lot questions to ask let us know in the comments what you think about the social media banss and whether you think talk is going to uh cause climate change and uh yeah maybe we'll see in the next one and then also tell us what is your favorite animal for a little bit little bit of positivity just tell us what your favorite animal is and then tell us why we're wrong on everything why is it the red panda even though there's like 12200 left of them the wild I don't know I don't know why you chose the one like one of the two Chinese animals like they're going to 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