The WAN Show - Intel's 8 core Extreme Edition & Whole Room Water Cooling Teasers - August 29, 2014

The Making of Linus Tech Tips' Office Makeover

Linus Tech Tips has just finished an exciting office makeover, and we're thrilled to give you a sneak peek at the result. The team, led by the enigmatic Linus, has been working tirelessly to create a workspace that is both functional and visually stunning. From the moment they started planning the project, it was clear that this was going to be no ordinary renovation.

As Linus explained in an interview, "I love this thing I did a good job with that oh should we uh should we show them the uh the vinyl stickers." And show them he did – the team has carefully curated a selection of vinyl decals to adorn the walls and showcase their personality. The decal on one wall reads "Linus Tech Tips" in bold, white letters, while another features a stylized logo of Linus' face (or at least, his likeness). It's clear that the team is proud of their brand identity and has put a lot of thought into creating a cohesive visual aesthetic.

One of the standout features of the new office is its unique water cooling setup. The team has installed a complex system that incorporates copper piping, pumps, and radiators to keep their equipment running smoothly. As Linus exclaimed, "This is freaking awesome!" When asked about the design process, he revealed that they had created an example of what the final setup would look like on one wall – a testament to their attention to detail and commitment to innovation.

The team has also incorporated several fun touches into the office, including a replica of the popular video game "Mario Kart" and a nod to Chris from NC Challenges (no explanation was given for this unusual reference). It's clear that the team values camaraderie and fun in the workplace, even if it means incorporating geeky references into their decor.

One of the most impressive features of the office is its use of materials. The team has opted for a minimalist aesthetic, with clean lines and simple shapes dominating the space. However, they have also incorporated several unique touches – including a copper piping system that was soldered by Luke's dad (yes, that's right). To protect the pipes from damage, the team plans to apply a varnish layer and polish them until they shine.

Throughout the office, you can see evidence of the team's passion for their work. From the sleek, modern furniture to the carefully curated collection of vinyl decals, it's clear that Linus Tech Tips is dedicated to creating a workspace that reflects their values and personality. Whether you're a fan of the channel or just a fan of geeky decor, this office makeover is sure to inspire and delight.

The team has also been sharing sneak peeks of their progress on social media, with Edel showcasing his workstation and Brandon showing off his own setup. It's clear that everyone is excited about the final result – and can't wait for fans to see it in person. So be sure to tune in next week when we'll be giving you a full tour of the finished office. Until then, stay geeky!

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enokay and we're back and hopefully the audio is fine it sounds fine to me it's fine for some people yeah apparently it was fine to some people so I suspect it was more of a twitch issue than anything else but since we're restarting the show we have to do a very brief thing here so we're going to cover the Intel x99 chipset in their eight core brand new extreme Edition 5960x Amazon purchased switch TV for $1 billion 970 million 1 billion is dollars all right uh Microsoft is cracking down on fake apps in the Windows store Windows 9 will be free or quite cheap and boom here's the intro no I haven't actually watched this really yeah like not in a long time nicer than I thought it was yeah it's really good except you need to make an Asian smaller guy instead of the Luke on the right there all right so our sponsors this week are what did I do oh that's sort of terrible okay we're going to have to watch it again apparently no don't worry I I got this and yay our sponsors this week are 54 Club they have actually slightly revised their usual deal so I will be giving you guys more details but instead of the old offer you may actually get cash money in your box which I think is pretty darn interesting also oh wow I I did it again that that is something that is something all right so also powering the show this week is hyperx and um we've actually got the intro playing yeah the intro is playing okay I got this i got this i got this under control this is what happens when I don't sleep and the entire week is a complete disaster for me so this week the show is also brought to you by hyperx we've actually got Luke and Brandon down at PAX Prime they are powered by hyperx down there at the show and they are going to be doing a great job of bringing you guys some great content from pack so one thing to keep in mind guys is that hyperx asked for us to mention their YouTube channel so that's youtube.com/ Kingston hyperx they've got a lot of great gaming content on there so make sure that you check that out all right so uh all right twitch chat I'm sorry we're done with the technical difficulties for now all right so our first news topic this week and this is this was po this was removed from the Forum since the original post by Marcus UK so the article here is from Gamespot and Amazon acquires Twitch in A1 billion deal see Gamespot agrees with me $1 billion now this flies in the face of the original rumors that YouTube was going to acquire twitch and we were actually talking about this in the car on the way back from the office the other day and I think the Amazon acquisition makes sense but I think you were saying that YouTube might have been a more might have been a more sensible option depending on Whose perspective we're talking about so I think it's better that Amazon bot twitch just because you don't have that Consolidated of uh with regard to videoing I was just playing Devil's Advocate because Google has acquired a ton of things and they haven't really ruined them except for like ways and what else I think there are people who would argue that they've kind of ruined YouTube compared to the sort of the Indie vibe that YouTube had going on at the beginning but honestly I think it was going to go that direction eventually anyway because they were going to have to figure out a monetization model it's just that Google figured that out and YouTube might have come to a very similar conclusion on their own if they had stayed independent except that they might not have been able to ever build the kind of infrastructure to support you know HD and now 4K that Google has managed to build to back it up IIT s you trying to say that YouTube was ruined or wasn't I'm trying to say some people say it is I personally don't think so yeah they're crazy yeah I mean I think that YouTube has been great for Content creators and it's been pretty darn good with some obvious hiccups like the recent go plus integration and that's not being consumers yeah and the fact that we can't upload anything right now but by and large it's better than it used to be I mean I used to have issues uploading files all the time now it's like weird when it happens apparently I look awkward you look awkward I think we both look awkward because the camera is like super awkward and we far away and stuff but so what would you have seen happening then if Google acquired twitch instead of Amazon I think it would be largely the same just because I don't think either of them want to ruin a good thing because twitch is as big big as it is just because that's what they do they've only been around three years Jus in TV was longer that's true but the whole game streaming thing has only been around for three years on twitch.tv or twitch I guess is their it's their current brand which is more reason not to tamper with anything just because who else really understands game streaming besides switch and isubu TV who else now that's it that's pretty much it so they can't really bring in their own experience just because they don't have that experience so I think by and large either company would would have left twitch alone hard to say because even though twitch has so much more experience with live game streaming I think that if if Google acquired them and this was this was this was an opinion that I saw kind of echoed in a number of different places I think had Google acquired twitch they would have been the little brother of YouTube and the YouTube Team could claim to have a lot of experience with game streamers because typically archived content even from Big Game streamers will do better on YouTube over the long term than it does on Twitch in fact twitch has even revised their archiving policies to delete to well to try to delete most of people's old footage unless they're saving it as a highlight reel cuz no one's really watching it it's just taking up space I watch it okay you watch it but but would it kill you to go on their YouTube channel to watch it okay well from my perspective I watch tournaments uh when they're not in the right time zone and or like if I just miss it so I'll usually go to that twitch broadcast channel and watch the the vods on there whereas I would have to like YouTube and search some random channel to find right you know this is the this is an interesting take on this I've got a few people in the twitch chat suggesting that Amazon was actually buying the streaming technology that twitch has been using I don't know if I buy that I mean Amazon's already got their on demand video it's not like they don't have the backbone to stream video um I I really don't think that that's it I mean I think that there's probably a trick or two that twitch has developed over the last few years here that is that is helping them to do what they're doing but having actually chatted with someone pretty high up at twitch around this time last year I mean they were they were br forcing a lot of it at least a year ago and there isn't really a way without building data centers all over the place to make streaming much less demanding which happens to be exactly what Amazon has and that's why that's a marriage made in heaven and mind you it's much the in much the same way that Google and twitch would have been as well because Google also has data centers all over the place that would have been able to reduce the latency that we all experience with twitch as well as potentially increase the quity and reliability of the streams so I I totally disagree that Amazon bought them for the technology I don't think their technology is anything special compared to what Amazon does someone says edel stop staring at lonus he can't resist oh okay fine I'll I'll stare at that I'm trying to listen to you and that's the best way to listen you're trying to listen to me that's your first mistake yeah I'm just going to to zoom this in a little bit there we go hopefully that's a wow because the camera's crooked I look super tall which is not the cas at all I'm actually taller than lonus someone says now you have a baby you look all grown up I actually have two two kids now and uh I probably look grown up because I look old because I am super super tired this week it has been a crazy week uh should we talk about it a little bit your baby no not my baby the the week we've had what would you know about my baby uh no name yeah actually we have named her now really yes I basically just gave up and yvon went with it no I I'm not going to I don't reveal the kids names on uh I don't reveal the kids names on the stream or anything it's wona yeah it's not it's not wona but uh yeah been we have named the baby so we came in on Monday morning and since then it's been pretty much a blur we have uh okay so our main office room all the editing um I painted it while you guys were doing arts and crafts wait Monday really yeah yeah we got started Monday I think wait what no it's it was supposed to be 3 days and today was the fourth wasn't it oh yeah you're right what did we do Monday well Brandon wasn't back yet whoa what did we this week feels like it's been two weeks have we been at this for five days no no no no no I don't think so okay anyway the point is let's say Tuesday let's assume it was Tuesday Tuesday Morning um we tore apart the office office so all the workstation PCS all the editing machines we tore them out of the office and Scattered them throughout the building because there was no space for anything we piled all the desks in the middle and Nick and I painted the room then um so what were you doing on the first day I don't remember like I what which was the first day was it Monday or Tuesday Tuesday let's say it was Tuesday okay build any PCS on the first day I thought on the first day Luke was drilling holes into things right so the cases we picked needed to have two holes drilled in the top of each of them before we could actually install any hardware because there was a clearance issue with the radiators in spite of our pre-planning that we hoped was going to work so Luke spent a lot of time doing that on the first day and then I started building some of the computers putting processors on motherboards you helped with that installing RAM power supply power supply that was first day yeah that was first day and then second day we did we finish the computers the second day I think second day we did liquid cooling yeah so we finished building the PCS which when it's five PCS is actually somewhat timec consuming especially when lonus gets abandoned by Luke so that he can test Intel's new fourth gen processors that second day cuz lukee helped on the first day yeah I think we're I think we're getting this it's all been a blur we've taken so much video and you promised that the videos about this are going to be awesome right uh now you're on the spot you asked if they would be good not awesome and I said I would make it good okay I guess that's what we're going to have to uh to go with we've got people complaining about audio sync issues again but the reality of it is guys is I think it's just just one of those things where yeah it's nothing to do with mine is just broken da no no no those are out those were released today the all new fourth gen 8 Core Extreme Edition all that good stuff so um would it help if I put the computer here so that I told you it looked like I was staring at your crotch okay if I put the computer here maybe that'll maybe that'll help a little bit um so on the second day we finished building the computers and I don't know whether it's because Swift Tech's fittings are super tight or their tubing is a little bit big when the weather's really hot but we were having a lot of trouble getting fittings on and those computers took more than a full day of working to install fittings in and install tubing in so then after that that's when Nick was working on redoing the to mount the radiator to the outside of the house right I don't know about that part just because I was busy fiddling with the fittings the entire time yeah Ed was the one we I actually didn't even know how swift teex quick disconnects worked and Ed was the one who figured out that we have to what does it come with it comes with a socket a G1 quarter socket and then we have to put an end cap on instead right yeah yeah how did I even figure that out I think I may have just been trying to undo the quick disconnect and then I couldn't figure that out and just twisting it things came off and I may have picked up the wrong piece and tried to put that on but it worked out yeah yeah so we figured that out and then through during that time Nick was uh realizing along with me that our original plan for mounting the radiators on the fascia board like under the roof overhang was not going to work it was way too big big and way too heavy like that Biz was not happening so Nick had to figure out how to build a like a wooden frame around the whole thing and then Mount the radiators to that and then we had to find a way to get that on the roof and I think that was what we did on the third day we mounted the radiator to the roof in the morning third day was wasn't that yesterday though yeah was that third day yeah we mounted the radiator yesterday and then today four days what do on Monday the afternoon yesterday and today we have filled the loop now a total of three times due to various leaking and configuration issues so that's been our week this week uh we can move on to actually I'm going to try to uh I'm going to try to upload this file again just because you know I can I can have a dream that maybe YouTube won't be broken uh the radiator isn't actually on the roof right it's uh in between the houses so here are the houses one house our house it's like over here and no matter where the sun is it's actually in the shade so it's not going to get cooked yeah we were actually kind of fortunate that there was somewhere sensible to put that because that wasn't necessarily um a thing that we plannned why is the piping not in the wall no way Firefox is working and chrome isn't for our upload brilliant freaking jokes man jokes man are we even using the Steed water no we're not right nope yeah it's just from the hose yeah it's from the hose cuz that was how the only way we were able to fill it um so lonus went up on the ladder radiator we brought up a hose into the bathroom and fill it that way this might look wrong that definitely looks all wrong yeah so that was the only way we could even get water into it because we are not using a closed system it's not sealed we actually have like a a fill tube that goes up above the highest level of the of the piping that's in the room so the only way to get any in there cuz there's no room to even pour is to put the hose in because if we brought it down any lower as soon as the pump stops the system would back up and pour water which we discovered the hard way once we discovered that it wasn't quite high enough were you there for that no I I think I was outside oh no it poured water all over me ah yeah I have gotten sprayed with water quite a few times in the last few days it has been extremely exciting all right so why don't we move on to our next topic here Nvidia will allegedly skip 800 Series Desktop cards and the next generation will be called 900 series this was posted by Rock 1 M1 originally on the lus tech tips Forum so I guess do you want to give the basic facts here why don't we just if you put your leg down Wen really we can put this on both of our our legs then we can both look like we're staring at each other it was just like room so there's not much to talk about yeah so the fact is the rumor is that in order to align with what was it the notebook naming scheme they were going to name the notebook line G9 or was it GTX 900 yeah or 900m but then they thought that it would be confusing because the desktop was still on 700 and the notebooks are the notebooks were rebranded 800 a little while ago so they're in this weird position where they've they've done this at times I mean they've done it right now where the notebook ones are a series ahead of the desktop ones even though they're running this completely the same architecture um but I guess if they found themselves two gens ahead on mobile that might get extremely confusing and then or if they're planning to refresh both at the same time then now's a good time to just kind of skip one and catch up it's not the first time they've done it there was never a GTX 380 was that just for mobile uh no there was never I don't think there was ever a GTX 300 series at all cuz we got yeah they scrapped that yeah yeah I think the the rumor was they just completely scrapped the project entirely well the announcement will come rumored come on September 9th wow that's really soon we've got a lot of stuff going on right now with all the new Intel stuff uh ddr4 so our first video about the uh in the Nvidia about the Intel Haswell e 8 Core Extreme Edition will actually be coming I think Tuesday night so Luke has run all the benchmarks I've scripted the video but we haven't had a single video editing workstation up and running in order laptop to actually make it so well there was a laptop but we were using that to make the videos that we've released over the last couple days so yeah there's been no time but guys this thing is a beast Intel has finally done it they have caught up to the mainstream platform I mean I don't know about the rest of you but I have found it extremely frustrating that for must be about 5 years now you've been able to get better technology by buying into a mainstream platform than by buying into an Enthusiast platform I mean what's the deal with that and we're not even just talking about CPU architecture so ever since the uh the LGA 1156 LGA 1366 days ever since then you've been able to get you know things like um Quicks sync technology for quick video transcoding you've been able to get more usb3 ports native usb3 ports more native sata 3 connectors or even native sata 3 connectors at all back in the x58 days like Thunderbolt all this new technology has been coming to the mainstream LGA 1155 and LGA 1150 platforms before we get it on LGA 2011 well now all of that changes there is actually a justifiable reason to go LGA 20113 so the CPUs are all more course I mean that was supposed to be a big selling point even back with x58 was it can support more than four cores we had six cores the problem is that the only one on the in the consumer space was the 980x it was a and the 990x and zons I guess but these are not these are not really consumer grade price points they were thousand CPUs so everyone just went with quad course on the mainstream platform because a few more PCI Express Lanes in triple Channel or quad Channel memory is not enough to justify a CPU architecture that is inherently anywhere from 8 to 15% slower depending on which generational Gap we're looking at regardless of how much memory bandwidth it has so now with LG 20113 we are getting the same CPU architecture so it's Haswell or Haswell e but basically Haswell e is just Haswell with more Hells we are getting ddr4 which right now is very expensive for not much of a performance gain but in the future will give us much higher speed memory we're getting sad Channel memory we're getting more PCI Express Lanes so 40 on the highend chips and then I believe don't quote me on this I believe it's either 26 or 28 PCI Express Lanes on the lower end chip we're getting the same feature set so we can get Thunderbolt enabled motherboards which is really awesome like the x99 deluxe from Asus has that Thunderbolt header so you can add their Thunderbolt 2 expansion card we are getting the works and it is what's up now are uh saying I'm quiet oh you're quiet sorry kind of got on the whole Intel quation I'm on kind of a thing because the problem with LGA 2011 was there was one CPU that was Within Reach for general consumers and it was either the 382k or the 4820k for the last couple of generations the problem was that was a quad core chip it was a quadcore chip that was more expensive on a more expensive platform form with more expensive RAM for literally no performance Improvement unless you really need the extra memory bandwidth or you really need a few more PCI Express Lanes which most people don't need unless they also need more processing cores so in order to even get a sensible configuration on LGA 2011 you were spending $600 plus dollars on your chip not exactly uh compelling sort of you know gamer type of price point well now on LGA 2011 3 for around 400 bucks you can get a six core so all of a sudden the entire Intel lineup makes sense again so on the mainstream you got quad cores up to nice high clocked ones like their new Devil's Canyon the 4790k then you pay another I guess it's around another $75 to $100 you get two more cores plus a more robust more Enthusiast grade platform and ddr4 support then beyond that you get a few more PCI Express Lanes although I think that lower end one is going to be the more appealing one for most enthusiasts and then at the very high end there's the extreme Edition the whole thing finally makes sense again so that's what I'm excited about and yeah we've got people talking about it in twitch chat that six core for 389 looks like a good CPU for the money damn right because even though single-threaded performance isn't going to be any better overclocking is solid ddr4 is going to help a little bit and if you need the extra cores like let's say you want to I don't know output videos while you game then you will have it someone says hire Luke back please lonus everyone is ignoring you and staring at edil Luke is not fired well not any more than he's usually fired Luke is at packs so he was driving last night and he's doing show coverage right now so he and Brandon are are doing a great job of that presumably they're asking him to poke me they always do this they do this with Luke too Luke poke lus why is this room so hot as if I'm not also looking at the twitch chat you know what this isn't nearly as hot as it usually is we have a fan blowing and we have the window open window's not open the window's not open oh you're going to want to open that window that explains why it's so hot in here oh I love this show all right so in other news that I suspect almost nobody cared about origin PC and AMD have officially made up so origin will once again give buyers the option to use AMD cards in their origin PCS this was posted by Juan Wu 26 on the Forum um did you even hear about this no but I read up on what the comments said and apparently origin PC just got butt hurt is that right just because they didn't uh they weren't informed by AMD about the Hawaii GPU launch okay so there's a couple of things um so rumor number one is that Nvidia had a program where they paid origin copious amounts of money to not sell AMD but that's just a rumor but that is just a rumor um Nvidia has come out and said that's not true um so that's all we know about that uh what I do know is that origin was not at the AMD Hawaii GPU event and main gear PC had a demo system up running Hawaii gpus at the event when origin did not allegedly have any access to said GPU so the rumor is that origin basically was super upset about that and was like what you don't want us to sell your gpus fine we're not going to sell your gpus anyway so apparently they have kissed and made up and uh AMD apologized which you know I think was probably merited cuz it's one thing if you invite you know all your system builder Partners to come and showcase their rigs it's another if you pick one favorite one and then leave all the others out or even one of the budget concern I don't think so I mean that Hawaii event cost a fortune maybe that's why there was a budget issue just getting everyone there they blew it all on lus wow I mean they had I think they had over aund Tech journalists at that event so they could have just not invited me and Austin and they could have probably afforded to have origin there and then this whole thing could have been avoided but who's more important really like me and Austin yeah or origin PC I think we have to do a straw pull straw pull time guys straw po do you want to see what I'm typing you can look at my crotch there we go who okay this is me looking at the laptop and this is me looking at his crotch this there's a difference lonus and Austin origin PC you know what's funny is we're actually going to be covering a really cool new product from origin at the show I'm not I'm not down on Origin at all they're cool guys they have great products it's just uh just having some fun at their expense right now all right here we go here we go I'm sorry you're not logged in yeah there you go what the deuce all right guys I'm sharing this with you now I'm trying to trying desperately to you know I'm actually really excited about the technological improvements that I think the Amazon acquisition is going to bring to Twitch what's what what do you think is going to change I think it will improve reliability because Amazon is reliable I mean AWS yeah is reliable except for those times that it has gone down and led to dozens of sites being offline okay when when AWS has a problem I think the new news about it gets Amplified I don't think that's because AWS has tons of problems compared to other services I think it's just that because they host so much it's a lot more noticeable when there's some kind of an issue I think I think that might be an issue in itself just because if twitch goes down with like abson hosting it and like 10 other sites that you might go to also go down right you know what are you left with whereas if those go down you still have twitch so you can you can watch us well I suspect that they will be I mean unless you know an entire data center loses power and is underwater or something like that I suspect you won't see an outright outage of something like twitch you might see the service slow down in much the same way that we often see happen now but it has happened right right hasn't it pretty sure where it's like oh blah blah blah is down and it's all leads to Amazon being down very rare but I think the thing we can all agree on is that lonus and Austin were much more important to invite to the Hawaii event than origin PC so we're really sorry about that origin you know you guys uh you guys you guys tried you know you tried to be as cool as me and Austin but unfortunately that wasn't going to happen all right what do we got for our next topic aha valve will optimize their streaming service with Nvidia Hardware so this is from the Nvidia blog let's go ahead and share my screen with you guys here there we go valin Nvidia just made game streaming better than ever last week valve officially released support for Hardware en coding on Nvidia GeForce gpus in the steam client pair the support with one of the latest GeForce GTX gpus and you can play remotely from your PC connected to any steam enabled system in your home at resolutions of up 1080 60p so I think this is kind of Nvidia making a lot of noise about something that was bound to happen eventually and really not that different from much anything else anyhow but it's great I mean have you tried steam in home streaming no no okay it is awesome and I've actually spent a little bit of time on Steam Chat with the lead Dev for Ste in home streaming um and he was I was chatting to him about sort of video encoding and decoding and what they're doing with respect to lowering latency and it's absolutely fascinating because they basically have to rackle it from a different angle for every different combination of encoders and decoders in order to make sure that everything is compatible and everything not only works but is extremely low latency so you don't feel that Network lag when you move the keyb and or when you press the keybard move the mouse what do I play overing home streaming almost anything I've even played FPS games is that to The Shield or no so one of the potential problems with streaming within the home so from a a more powerful PC to a smaller device or a laptop or another PC was I saw potential competing standards as a roadblock the fact that Nvidia had their own technology where it was like okay you need a GeForce GPU you got to install GeForce experience on your PC you got to have an Nvidia Shield branded device so whether it's a portable handheld or the tablet and you got to have a supported router and that is it you plug in all these things and then all the check marks come on and it works so I kind of saw that as a potential problem problem compared to valve solution which is okay do you have a graphics card great do you have a CPU also great do you have some other thing great it works except the other thing has to run Steam and the first thing has to run Steam as well and then depending on the hardware you were going to either have a really great experience if you had nice fast Hardware encoding and decoding or you were going to have a super crummy experience so for example LGA 11 1156 CPUs were available in either dual core with onboard Graphics or quad core with no onboard Graphics configurations the dual core would have been able to support Hardware accelerated decoding the quad core could not so there was some tricky stuff with respect to making sure you had a configuration that was going to work with steam and home streaming so now seeing Nvidia and valve work together on this I now have complete confidence that whether you're going to run Windows or you're going to run Steam OS people who run AMD people who run AMD are still going to be okay because valve is going to work with AMD as well Val because AMD doesn't even have a competing solution they don't have free stream or whatever it is they would call something like that you think they will so many people have actually just gone with Nvidia and like completely abandoned AMD is it's funny you mention that because the market share isn't that much different than it was 5 years ago amd's always kind of been in that 20 to 35% range of the discret desktop GPU Market that's all they really got AMD free stream we have to start that we have to make that happen we have to tell AMD that they have to have like um like a a Freel handheld and then they have to have like AMD free stream and and that should that should be awesome for the AMD people I'd be really interested to see valve I mean I'm I'm hoping that this is an announcement they make in the next six months to a year but it would put the final nail in the Nvidia game stream coffin for me if valve released an Android steam client and I I see them potentially heading this way already they ported portal to Android they ported halflife 2 to Android they already have a steam app so how far are we away from Steam being your gaming Hub potentially on Android as well with all of these other fantastic steam features running natively on Android or being streamed running natively on Android that's what I'd like to see because then with valve behind it I mean all the respect in the world world to the Limelight guys every time I've used Limelight the latency has not been comparable to Nvidia game stream valve on the other hand I have faith that they could make that happen and they could make streaming from your PC AMD powered Invidia powered Intel onboard powered who cares I think they could make that a great experience streaming to any device that has a beefy enough um h264 decoder chip on board apparently Nvidia did ports Nvidia did the ports themselves don't think so I know that Nvidia was deeply involved in the ports but valve was also involved in porting those games and even then I mean the fact that valve was even willing to entertain that I don't know we'll see I mean it's going to be it's going to be a big it's going to be a big battle for what is the next gaming platform of choice Beyond on the PC and Beyond really not so much the PC cuz I don't think the PC is going anywhere but beyond the console it's either going to be some type of lightweight PC something like an Alienware Alpha or something like uh any other sort of lightweight desktop type machine running Steam OS or some other Linux derivative or even windows or it's going to be Android and if you look at the overall strategy valve and Nvidia both obviously believe in different things here with valve thinking we're heading the direction of steam PCS or whatever they want to call them and Nvidia thinking we're headed towards Android but I don't think either of them really Minds if it's the other one or some mix of the two because Nvidia can still sell you gpus over here and valve can still sell you games over here so I wasn't listening at all I was reading twitch chat did they say anything interesting or are they just telling you to poke me more something about your crotch maybe ah yes my crotch my crotch is is uh definitely one of the top subjects of discussion on the stream today love it so originally posted by Mech 777 the article from Hardware 360.com I'm just going to go ahead and fire this baby up here Witcher 3 Dev promises only 30 FPS on consoles what w although the funny thing about this is that uh they basically said okay we're going to be aiming for the highest resolution possible but full HD 1080p would likely not be possible and the only thing they could promise was 30 FPS so essentially even though you know there have been some complaints about there being a console release at least what the uh you know PC Master race subreddit can uh take some consolation in is the the fact that the experience on the console is going to be significantly degraded is David still here David yeah yeah is can you get the door when it rings in a minute thank you UPS is outside I think they've got a uh Cooler Master power supply for edel's new dual Titan 12 core editing workstation yeah that's your new power supply man and something else H yeah David's gonna David's gonna grab it we should say hi to the UPS guy I don't think you can hear me I think he's got his Bluetooth headset in have you ever really gotten into a Witcher game yeah I love The Witcher games okay tell me what's appealing about them I've tried both Witcher one and Witcher 2 enlighten me I find that the character interactions are above the standard that you might be used to for most games uh the main character is actually kind of shitty he like no offense no offense to the voice actor or the writers but isn't that by default isn't that who you just offended saying no offense doesn't make it unoffensive okay fine full offense to anyone involved but geralt is kind of a shitty character he's always like dead pan and I don't know he's just not a very good character but but everyone else is a good character and they develop and like their interactions with uh you are interesting and like it's all based on novels so like they are actually fleshed out and uh just like playing in that that world that actually exists in detail somewhere uh is nicer than other games that's that's what I like about it like how they create their creatures they have a lore you can read up on them so on and so forth hey David could we actually get those those things yeah do mind I just want to find out what this is I'm hoping it's Dominator platinum ddr4 and we can show that to you guys okay because I have I've tried both times and within actually the funny thing is with Witcher 2 I even got like an hour and a half in because I was looking for a consistent benchmarking spot and I just I did not find it compelling at all thank you sir do you like fantasy RPGs anyway I made it all the way through Dragon Age one uh yeah Dragon Age 2 I did not find nearly as compelling that was kind of shitty compared to uh this one Dragon Age one was really great though I really enjoyed it I don't have a knife I do what is this who's it from oh it is from Corsair but I don't know what it is it doesn't feel heavy enough to be dominator platinums wa chat guess what it is let's play a guessing game live unboxings okay oh am I not supposed to swear I don't care okay try not to drop drop F Bombs all over the place you know oh it's the new um Corsair link thing cool so this is supposed a pretty big improvement over the old one wow it's much lower profile I don't know how much they've shown of this yet so I'm going to just kind of put that back in the box for now but uh cool so we're definitely going to check that out and then the other one here you want to do the honors I like how you just toss things ah it's It's Not Fragile it's Corsair it's made by Corsair so it's pretty good unlikely to break we've actually thrown horse aair power supplies out of out of cars and drop them off roofs speaking of great power supplies though this is one of the finest power supplies available on the market 80 plus Platinum 1200 watt fully modular so this is a vs series power supply from Cooler Master because we realized as we were building the rigs for the whole room liquid cooling setup that we had asked Cooler Master for 750 wat power supplies with the assumption that I was going to be getting one of the Titan blacks well after much debate and much um concealment of the actual are just like yeah let give me the Titan yeah so I ended up with an old GTX 285 that we had lying around somewhere in my rig and Ed ended up with two Titans and we kind of went shoot is 750 watts even enough probably not so cuz he's got three graphics cards in there uh what is it the two Titans and a Quadro yeah two Titans and a Quadro plus the 10 gbit ethernet card plus the 12 core processor so we're talking about the kind of rig that these types of power supplies are legitimately made for actually we should actually like measure how much it actually takes we should measure like when you're when you're um dinking around in Cinema 4D we should have a look at what kind of power consumption when you're hitting the ram the gpus and the CPU all same used that much uh during octane oh that's right now so yeah it's all it's all what I'm going to give the floor to you while I go get a drink of water um would you like one too can you get my energy drink in the other room sure yeah I'll grab your energy drink but I want you to justify because people haven't really I think been able to understand why anyone could possibly need a 12 core CPU 64 gigs of RAM dual Titan blacks and a Quadro in one machine can you justify what the heck it is you do around here that you need that kind of power for I'll be right back justify that okay where to start where to start all right so for the the 12 core processor um well I use after effects pretty much exclusively these days no that's that's a lie uh most for the big projects like the build guides I guess that's it these days um I use after effects to do Motion Graphics for the intro the lower thirds and then I've also started to use Cinema 4D and I have the octane renderer engine which is fully GPU accelerated so to put this to I guess size this up against each other uh my six core processor would render a frame in about six minutes one GPU would render one frame in 1 minute 30 seconds I'll be back actually I'm not quite ready yet two gpus would be around 45 seconds I can't do math uh so three it's bound to be what 20ish 25 seconds someone do the math for me please porn why are we talking about porn I don't get this uh the yeah it's a one frame and six second or 6 minutes because it's like 3D Ray tracing no it's actually like Photon something or other but it's definitely more intensive than 2D video would you like to sit back down yeah sure I noticed in my absence you just completely took over the entire couch awesome so had you made it through all of the components yet uh I don't think I've Justified the ram yet okay so in After Effects to use multiprocessor rendering you have to assign each core some Ram ideally you want to assign it three gigs each I don't have enough for that so I so I assign it two G GS that's what 2 * 12 no 24 because it counts the separate threads as a core right 4 48 gigs so that's 48 I guess I could no that brings it up to no you used to have no you did you didn't used to be able to do it because you had six cores 12 threads 12 * 3 is 36 and you had 32 gigs whereas with the new 64 gig config you'll have 24 threads time yeah you still won't have yeah I can still only assign 12 gigs to it yeah but you know what we could try as an experiment we could try turning off hyperthreading because hyperthreading will give you a uh you know probably a 10 to 15% boost but you might get more of a boost by being able to assign more RAM to your course interesting we should play around with that that's going to be cool anyway sorry some mac users have allegedly disabled some cores but that's not hyperthreading no you can you can oh because the Mac Pro only has four memory slots but then you can load it with ECC Ram so h t it I still have more slots on there right yeah you have eight slots could get more RAM um yes a uh Asus has a beta bios for the x79 deluxe that supports uh 16 gig dims but only certain ones not the ones that we originally obtained for the project okay so sorry you were justifying why you need why you need all these uh I Justified the Cinema 4D just because uh linear performance scaling with graphics cards which is amazing I think I need two more Titans honestly cuz Okay take the cost of a Titan right and then ,000 take count how many hours an extra Titan would save me in rendering in the one project we've everever done one so far more it could be more if I could do things faster I could do more of those and that's how I'm trying to justify two more Titans well you've got two why don't we see how it goes from there anyway so because of him I don't even have a display port output so my LG monitor is running on a DVI to HDMI adapter and HDMI in at 50 HZ so I'm going to have to obtain some other kind of GPU for my system and when that happens I guess around the same time we're going to add another pump to the whole room setup so that bleeding air from the system is much much easier because right now the only way to bleed the air from the lines that go down and then up to each system from the top of the room is to disconnect all the other systems so that the main pump is only pushing through one system so that we can get all the air bubbles out but what's cool is the way we have it working right now none of the systems even have pumps on so if we could close the door to the server room the fans are on the fans are running you still want fans running but we wouldn't have to have them all running so the way that it's set up right now if we could close the door to the server room we could actually have the room be extremely quiet which uh how loud is the the red not bad not bad but what I'm thinking is we might get um like a variable power supply so we could dial it into 8 volts or something like that cuz with 20 noctua industrial N2 fans and then five quad radiators it's way more than enough for the systems that we have in there we actually had it running passively for hours today with three of the systems idling and Ed's 12 core priming and we you managed to raise it what like two degrees what on passive yeah passive without the fans even running 100% it was 40 8° C idle was 30 yeah I mean but um when you had it priming it went up to about 50° C Max right it's about the same was it about the same okay maybe we didn't even manage to increase the temps but I'm thinking in the winter we may not have to disconnect from the whole room system what we might do is just turn off all the fans and then if we have enough or or turn on only a few of the fans so what I'm thinking is as like a phase two if Luke and I could find a way to have a temperature controlled um switch for each Bank of fans so as water temperature reaches X degre another bank of fans turns on and as it reaches X degrees another bank turns on and then they turn off to prevent the entire water cooling system from getting so cold that we have condensation problems so that that could be like a phase two where it actually intelligently maintains its temperature at a specific setting can you set uh fan curve without without a PC connected to it we yeah there would be a way actually yes a t balancer can be configured with extra mini controllers and those will run oh I geta you you program them so you don't actually have to have the software interacting with it that could even work stupid it's it's so stupid it might just be brilliant this is getting stupider and stupider I love it oo I'm excited oh we had someone in the twitch chat figure out the tea balancer thing before I said it so we got to give them a shout out for that who is it who is it where are you I can't find it because I don't have that stupid plugin installed in my browser so I can't scroll up anyway good job um you know what we should probably do our spa spots before we completely run out of time today so first up is 54 Club so guys to be clear the 54 Club offer has actually changed a little bit so now instead of saving $15 on your first package they are actually going to send you all the clothing that you ordered and they're just going to put cash money in the Box for you $10 cash bo like actually cash like dollar bills or whatever ever that is that is it so rather than like an online discount they're offering $10 cash back in the packaging that doesn't make any sense like okay sure why not so guys the whole thing with 54 Club is that it takes the effort out of shopping so I'm just going to pull up their site so I can show you guys how the whole thing works here we go line is to screen share actually I should probably move that there we go shopping sucks let us take care of making you look good now edel you enjoy shopping correct I love shopping lonus you know me so well I thought you do like shopping you like wearing nice clothes yeah I guess okay so even even the ones who like wearing nice clothes apparently I really I thought you enjoyed shopping for clothes you wanted to go shopping in Vegas when we were there the first year yeah but there's not there wasn't much else to do like outside outside of the park fres just like what is in Vegas besides gambling I hate gambling so the way 54 Club works is every month they send you a package of clothes so you can look and feel great you take a quick survey it takes literally less than a minute Luke and I both actually timed it see I'm actually you know what that's what we're going to do today we are going to do the survey in fact check this out they even put a timer in the corner so that you can you can realize as you finish that you uh took less than a minute to do it so what should we go for okay I'm going to have you do the survey Ed do business casual here hold on I actually really like the 54 system just because okay you want business casual yeah okay all right can I get this I scroll down the page uh what's your favorite color to wear H it's buil fall now right so maybe a red or brown no let's go with blue let's go with blue what does blue have to do with fall okay what's your second favorite color to wear let's go with a gray let's go with that let's go with a gray third favorite color let's go with brown okay Brown and then what is your top size medium medium what is your bottom size 32 all right 32 what does your bottom fit straight straight fit yep shoe size H oh jeez nine what shoe you're probably about a nine yeah okay okay and then which do you like more striped go striped all right what is your second favorite shirt type solid solid all right so you're not a plaid guy is what you're trying to say raw or washed for your jeans uh raw Gotta Love The Raw okay what kind of denim style do you prefer fashion fashion denim t-shirt preference fashion fashion okay and shoes oh they're both now let good with b b all right so there you go total time lapsed 101 seconds all right so it took us a little longer than 60 seconds but the main point is on your first time you get $10 cash back so sign up at bit.ly Linus FFC and try it out we actually had uh a 54 Club sponsorship spot that we did a while back that um was a total disaster I got all of the the pricing wrong got the offer for their July thing totally wrong but you know what's hilarious is they actually reached out to us and said a whole bunch of our viewers signed up so in the next couple minutes I'd like to hear from any of you who signed up for 54 Club go ahead and tweet with # Linus 54 not because I'm 5'4 inches tall I'm much taller than that what's the offer code um someone asked sorry someone asked what the offer code was uh offer code is lonus I believe 54 Linus let me just double check I really love uh the 54 system just because like I don't have time to go shopping like during the weekdays just because I leave here at 6 no 5:30 oh apparently we've used hash Linus 54 before all righty then um okay 54 for those of you just tuning in uh Luke is off at packs I'm edel edel Yago on Twitter I guess me doing that doesn't really do anything does it I don't think so yeah follow me that I'm posting the link guys just make sure you use the link and I believe offer code is lonus so give that a try all right and then so yeah if I'm going to see if anyone has actually tweeted with the hashtag hashtag I want to hear what you guys think of it Linus 54 I did caps lock so 22 seconds ago all you did was use the hashtag you didn't actually tell me what you think of it okay so maybe we'll come back to this later but in the meantime Twitter is hard our I know Twitter is so difficult our second sponsor this week is hyper X memor so they are actually our gold sponsor for our P Prime coverage Luke and Brandon are down there at the show and hopefully having a ton of fun bringing you guys a ton of great coverage over the next um I guess it'll be is Friday Saturday Saturday Sunday Monday um all the packs Prime coverage should be landing so they're going to be covering some game stuff they're going to be covering some of the hardware stuff and you guys should definitely definitely get excited about that I think Luke is going to be trying to get all of his work done in the first uh I think what was he trying to do trying to get all of his work done in the first two days and then try to spend a bunch of time gaming so if you're going to be down in the byoc down at PA Prime definitely go say hi to Luke and Brandon they're both going to be there Nick's going to be there as well and Luke actually has my computer down there so if you've ever wanted to see my personal rig in person and you're going to be down at packs and you're going to be in the byoc that's basically going to be the requirements he um didn't have time to fix up his Spotswood test bench and he asked if uh if he could build up a rig from some of the parts around the office and I was just like well I got a newborn I'm not gaming this weekend so yeah I guess you can just take my rig so I thought that was pretty darn cool all right so just someone did it in 14 seconds someone did what did the 54 thing in 14 seconds yeah I don't think they actually chose things right or they might just be like I that's kind of fun maybe for our next uh maybe for our next 54 integration thing we should actually make that a contest let's see who can do the 54 survey in the least amount of time um just so you know guys uh the pricing for 54 so per month is 60 bucks they send you a sticker price of sorry what's up what's the 54 hash oh oh sorry sorry sorry I'll post that okay so # Linus 54 guys so hit us on Twitter with that I want to hear what you think of the service now that you've been using it so it's 60 bucks a month and then you get a total value of $100 worth of clothing and then the first month they're just going to send you $10 in the box so you get effectively a $10 discount on your first month oh and something I should mention about um hyperx's sponsorship for PAX Prime is they really wanted me to tell you guys yo check out their YouTube channel because they've been doing a lot of really cool stuff on it lately so you just go to youtube.com/ I think just hyperx works now as well no it doesn't so youtube.com/ Kingston hyperx and they've been doing a bunch of really cool stuff so aside from just like yeah you know here's some really great memory and headsets and USB drives and stuff you should probably you should probably try it out they've also got a bunch of really cool content that's like um bloggy style or skits or interviews with pro orts athletes so um they're doing a fantastic job of releasing a ton of interesting content when you compare that to what other brand names tend to do on their YouTube channels where it's like yet another place to put an ad um I think their approach is really stands out from the crowd so I I like how uh they've been doing a lot of a lot of videos or ads with actual Pro Gamers I like they're they're not they're not actors so so they're kind of terad I wasn't sure if I could say that or not but that's fine it's genuine yeah it is genuine and it does help the Esports scene so I I do really appreciate that so I mean actually this is this is funny we uh check this out we we creeped them on W show last week to have a look at how their YouTube channel is growing and they had added let's look at their full monthly statistics they had added almost half of their total subscriber count in the previous two weeks or rather month and this time it looks like they've pretty much done it again they have added 20,000 and they have a total of 44,000 subscribers so they're growing extremely quickly so someone likes something that they're doing this is this is funny I've got kgh HT 222 in the twitch chat saying that the uh the $60 a month for 54 Club is an average of $2 a day for clothing I doubt even Bill Gates spends $800 a year on clothing Bill Gates I don't think he really on top of of that fashion thing or I don't think he even cares I think Bill Gates probably spends more than $800 a year on clothing I think he's he might be one of those people who buys like really expensive uh polos that are like bulletproof okay so I don't know I I wish I could meet Bill Gates Bill Gates meet me please yeah Bill Gates Bill if you're watching man you know we'd love to uh we'd love to have you on the show sometime people are really complaining about $60 a month for clothes like I no offense to people but clothes are kind of expensive if you care about like keep up well no you can look not homeless without spending all that much money but to keep up with anything it's kind of a lot of work all right so we are we are going to do it we are going to go unfiltered and have a look at what you guys have to say about 54 this will either be a great endorsement for the service or if you guys hate it then there'll be that um here we go is better than anyone they sent me clothes in the box without the face of Neptune got to love my socks all right Timothy says they have great clothing Dana says like all things I don't like the cost of shipping to Canada yes 54 is more expensive to ship to Canada okay Jacob Ingram says I just wanted to say you're pretty awesome edel I think you're skipping ahead Sam Palmer says I wish it was available in Australia would love to use the system ROM says love it thanks for recommending it and high Linus Le suggests that lonus do the boiling water challenge thanks Lew I jackass that's a thing um okay Amir says I really like the system but sadly I'm only 14 and constantly changing sizes actually I would see that as an advantage if you budget for it and you let cuz Okay the way 54 works is they have like a style advis who you work with directly and who handpicks your clothing every month so they actually have someone that you can contact and be like yo dog I Chang sizes so just throwing that out there it's interesting e0 says did it in 20 seconds all right Brien asks try to make the service available in the UK short sweatpants and graphic T-shirts they don't have my style I like shorts sweatpants and graphic t-shirts is that a style I don't know that's sweatpants and graphic t-shirts are a style I think that might be your issue Sam says the guy who wears socks and sandwi I don't wear sweatpants have you ever seen me wear sweatpants I want to say you have but I think I did once I was really sick all right oh sometime well sometimes you walk around in pajamas I think not here recent oh at home yes I've actually done videos in my pajamas uh Jack says love the surface Brett says come to Australia okay I think we've given 54 enough screen time at this point they should be pretty they should be pretty happy cuz we've like blabbed about them forever um see this is the problem we always start talking about like the sponsor value ad and then it's like this is a good discussion topic clothes are overrated all right I'm letting you deal with this one it was originally posted by Mushi on the Forum and the original article is from computer andv video games.com but um Nintendo says goodbye to casual gamers what exactly here I'm just going to bring up the article before I hand you the laptop that's what it looks like what exactly do they mean by that well who that didn't work oh which didn't work the the article thing up oh no no that's okay the article's gone well apparently uh because smartphones and apple in particular is taking over the uh casual gaming Market they don't really see a need to to okay noad to uh keep to keep making games for the Casual gaming Market which makes sense because you'd be competing with people who don't really want to play games anyway unless it's convenient so I like the direction they're going with this I don't like it at all why not you look at one of their most SU successful products in the last 10 years the DS the DS was all about the Casual experience for me I played more bomber man on my DS than anything else but you've also played games like uh what is it Bravely Default yes how did you like that bra default was good until it completely crapped the bed okay but okay let's ask the chat how many of you guys are or like casual games on nintend okay here do you guys think Nintendo still has a contribution to make to Casual games or should they focus on the stuff that looks casual in terms of the art style like Mario Kart and smash BRS but is actually extremely hardcore in terms of the game balancing and the game playay so there why don't we do straw pull here do you want to fire up do you know how straw pull works yeah yeah make up make up a straw pull I want to I want to hear from you guys does Nintendo still have a contribution to make or do you just want them to focus on what I mean really they're very good at you know Zelda I would make the argument that in spite of how cartoony something like okarina of time might have looked is definitely a gamer title not a casual title okay um go ahead and post that you just have to kind of spam it a little bit and do the permissive vote yeah there you go I'm totally I have I have one more straw poll in mind before the end of the show that I'm totally going to Blindside you with it's going to be fun all right spam spam spam what people say okarina is cartoony uh yeah come on little fairy where did I put that H disappeared yeah the twitch chat just moves really fast I mean my straw tab there we go boom JJJ says lonus do you see this no all right let's go ahead and screen share here so you mentioned Mario and Super Smash Brothers yeah I love Super Mario Kart I play it with the ncx guys like every week and then like we go to Chris's and then play it some more uh that's definitely not a casual game just cuz I know it's freaking hard and it's great love it I I probably spend more play more time playing Super Mario Kart than Mario Mario Kart yeah sorry that's what I started with the Super Mario Kart on SNES I on consoles I've played that more than any other game on a console really yes that much yeah so would you say that okay so because the the wi's whole value ad was supposed to be we fit and wi Sports terrible flinging the wi mode around okay so that that was the we so so if Nintendo's direction is okay Wii U we're going to go back to 1080p 60 FPS and hardcore titles could you be sold a Wii U if they made more hardcore titles yeah if they did more Mario Kart class titles on the Wii U would you consider buying one if no one else in my like group of friends had a wiu then yes like honestly for Mario Kart I would just buy a Wii U just for Mario Kart it's a really good party game okay so that's so that's it that's the issue then because okay from so from a business is kind of an issue because from a business standpoint if the objective is to sell more copies of the game and more consoles are they going to be doing themselves any favors by eliminating casual games in favor of I mean arguably the two examples that we came up with of great Nintendo hardcore titles party games well so are you're asking whether or not it's better for Nintendo to make party games and sell fewer consoles than casual games and sell more like yeah but do you have any stats for that no no I don't no I don't I'm just saying that it feels like a problem that the titles that you and I are discussing that could sell the console to us are titles that really only one person within a group of friends really needs to own unless you're going to be unless you're going to be one of those people like Luke who sits and practices Mario Kart so that when everyone comes and plays with him he just wrecks everybody those people are bad people by the way people who practice party games no I think bad people Anthony and Chris probably Jack Me Maybe too probably better than uh Luke at uh Mario Kart really yeah even though you didn't know the name of the game Mario Cart doesn't matter if there's super on there or an eight on the end same thing same thing okay and actually uh Chris's girlfriend amazing at Super Nintendo's uh Mario Kart really yeah ridiculous all right all right well you know what we will have to do we will have to do some game streaming sometime uh sometime maybe we'll go over to Luke's house or something or um yeah we could yeah we'll play some to bring all no we'll play some Mario Kart I have a land PC no no Mario Kart oh marioart you'll have to show us your you'll have to show us your skills we we'll have to see how that goes you know what's funny though is we could actually do PC game streaming from the office now everybody's work machine is now legit a legit gaming rig I need to SLI that oh yeah we never put an SLI bridge in your machine well in theory you wouldn't need it whatever I need have you played Battlefield have I played Battlefield 4 yeah not really I played a little bit of the single player and got Bor can I borrow those the Titans you want to borrow the Titans how are you going to get them out of the machine scissors yeah that's what I thought no absolutely not so ised the first time uh last week with uh S Dual 770s Battlefield is running all right but I am using a 2-year-old 8150 that lonus gave me for free when I started interning for him at NCI ex Tech tip that was like two years ago yeah it was wow yeah and apparently the 8150 is bottled necking my two Sly cards yeah that 8150 was uh that was like that was like the uh the the the chip even then and you gave it to me for for my hard work yeah thanks lonus hey you got RAM and a motherboard and I'm pretty sure a GPU at some point so yeah it wasn't all it wasn't all terrible all right so Razer cortex their Deal's video game tracker is now in this is in Early Access right now correct yep all right so basically bye David bye David so basically one of the best things about being a PC Gamer you know just ask PC Gamers there is no $59.99 I mean there is for like two days or if it's South Park Stick of Truth man that hurt I didn't buy that till like months after release and it was still $59.99 anyway there's no such thing as sticker price there's always a deal so Razer has their new cortex game Deal tracker it scours the internet tirelessly to let you know of price drop sweet deals and exciting promotions on your favorite game so you'll never miss out on another bargain so you can sign up for Early Access and check it out it's in beta and currently comparing prices exclusively in the US region and other regions will come after launch but that is something that you guys are definitely going to want to check out have you have you signed up no I haven't really are you going to I have so many things running already ready and I like I like steam uh that's what I thought about it I thought you know looking at all these features it looks like Steam and GeForce experience it has like a the game optimizing tool yeah and it like defrags your system which I already do it like prioritize prioritizes uh things so would you even fire it up to see if there was a deal before you bought a game on Steam or would you just blindly buy it on Steam because you find the steam experience so much better well like depends on how it works is it going to send me to any number of dozen sites like I don't want to make a new account for for a site every time a deal comes up and it's like on a different site like one reason I buy games off steam is that it's on Steam yeah you know there's my steam wallet it's just right there or EA origin store Ubisoft store I don't buy anything on there uh you know it's like it's right there it's convenient whereas Razer doesn't have their store like what how are they going to do this I'm really interested to try it out I'm going to install it I'm going to try it out and then I'll I'll see how it goes from there maybe it'll be a disaster but I mean Razer has shown that they're pretty serious about building software that makes gaming better I mean comms is a great example of that they saw a gap and they're like okay we're going to build something that legitimately addresses the need that people have so I'm interested to check this out funny that you should mention comms Dolby axen uh wasn't working like several times last week uh the crew and I use Dolby axen yep so we actually used the Razer comms it's I think it has more features than I remember and it's kind of nice now yeah got to say yep they've improved a lot it's not bad um okay we've got a couple more more topics Before We Say Goodbye because it's quarter after 6 already here uh Microsoft claims they are starting to crack down on fake apps in the Windows store this was originally posted by Sherman taker on the Forum and the article's from The Verge and basically Microsoft says they reached out to devs and told them that they have to make their Dev their their apps compliant with their new guidelines which or that it can't have an icon that's too close to something that is not representative of what it is um I think there were a couple of other things but basically there have been devs that are just like swift key for example if you go to the swift key you know what not the swift key devs I'm going to yeah not the swift key devs but if you search for swift key in the Windows store I'm going to try it now I've screenshotted it from before but let's let's do a live test of whether a scam app that I found um swift key keyboard has eight ratings for one star that is a $4 app the award-winning app for Android that replaces your onscreen keyboard giving you the fastest and easiest way to type now in Windows phone uh let's have a look at the reviews eight ratings where are the reviews here we go scam artist do not purchase this this is fake very unhappy fake app for $4 this is fake this app does nothing so apparently they've removed 1500 apps based on how many scam apps I found over the last little bit um yeah that's probably not enough uh developers who refuse to comply with Microsoft's new guidelines are getting them removed but I think they've still got a lot more work to do but they're taking steps forward so that's good they're acknowledging the problem that's all I'm giving them credit for at this point well they they're also dealing with it sort of I mean the one that the one I tested is still there so we'll see um originally posted by deliv on the Forum the original article here that he's referring to is from Hardware 360 and allegedly Microsoft will offer the Windows 9 upgrade either free or for $20 so Microsoft will also have an awesome offer for Windows XP users to be clear that price is for Windows 8.1 users another tidbit is that the Enterprise Windows 9 is rumored to be completely metr free so Metro is the modern UI you know this one yay I can scroll back and forth except I don't want to do that okay um so cheap Windows upgrade offers aren't unprecedented they have done this kind of thing before the Windows store not the Windows phone store maybe uh I believe they are actually integrating them uh moving forward so I'm not sure I think there's some stuff that's in both or whatever the case may be either way they have to address both of them they need to acknowledge the problem everywhere uh you guys should put sponsors below the stream actually that's not a bad idea we probably should do that at some point all right well I think that pretty much wraps it up for the show today although I have one more straw poll for you guys before we go I'm just going to create it I'm going to put poor edel on the spot what did you think of edel's guest co-host spot all right let's come up with some options here I think it got better towards the end 10 out of 10 amazing would uh would love to have him again okay let's go with five out of 10 uh got better towards the end and one out of 10 very why you doing it out of 10 if there's if there are only three options and zero out of 10 L okay well so basically basically I'm setting you up for I'm setting you up for failure here and I'm also saving you from potentially their devastating negative feedback because you know they're going to go with zero out of 10 just for the lws I've gotten used to negative feedback yeah we all have do you really just Spam it like that yeah that way everyone sees it edzel is too autistic Ed is too autistic wow wow speaking of getting used to all the negative feedback autism actually isn't a thing anymore apparently it's been just brought back into the uh oh no I'm thinking Asbergers you're thinking asers yeah as autism is definitely a thing yeah that's definitely a thing I think Asbergers has been brought back under the autism umbrella yeah lus screen share 10 out of 10 amazing would love to have him again has half of the votes with 21% of the votes being five out of 10 got better towards the end oh there's a fair bit of zero out of 10 LW and 9% say one out of 10 very unfortunate that Luke isn't here so it actually looks like the reaction to uh to your co-hosting job today has been pretty darn positive so good job uh thank you everyone for tuning to the W show huge thanks to our sponsors 54 Club as well as hyperx make sure you try out 54 Club that's uh bit. lee/ FFC I think there we go and you get $10 in your first package yes they slip $10 into your package as well as hyperx check out their YouTube channel youtube.com/ Kingson hyperx for some great gaming content thanks for tuning in guys and we'll see you again next week I need a laptop yeah you really need a laptop that that hurt you big time being able to see the topics and like you could say like yeah I just forget how good that looks I know I love this thing I did a good job with that oh should we uh should we show them the uh the vinyl stickers oh yeah okay okay very short very short after party here we're going to we're going to go get are you going to grab them yeah okay I'll grab these ones if you want to grab at least one from the other room so we got these awesome ah don't break please we got these awesome vinyl stickers for the walls here uh this has a paper covering over the top of it so that's why it looks so faded but it's like um I don't even remember what color it is is this a is this white an orange are you sure I think so no it's like a gray it's like an off-white oh it is white no it's white it's white so it's a white and orange Linus Tech tips that we have for one of the walls and then uh also did up yeah baby when stealth logo so we're going to put that on one of the walls in the office and finally yeah bro fist can they see it yep sweet there you go um I actually have uh we've put up one actually here do you want to take roist and W stealth away before they get damaged it's not faded it just has like a sheet of paper yeah there's a paper covering over it to keep the multiple pieces in place here I'm uh I got them together there we go um actually I have uh an example of what they're going to look like on the wall so check this out you guys it's freaking awesome I think so anyway so this is a sneak preview of what the whole room water cooling setup looks like so far if my uh if my stupid Dropbox would automatically upload okay or we could just go to edel's Twitter uh or we could go to edel's Twitter do you have a shot of the deal and the uh and the piping and the systems in from just now I have like a bunch of features uh okay you try to do that while I try to do this and whoever does it first is a winner okay um so I'm like mailing to myself because Apple's I took the picture on my iPhone Apple's thing is like ah boom super Broken Oh this is your Panorama oh okay yeah that should be good okay oh you broke it actually I might like my shot better no I'm opening my picture okay I'll show this one first okay so there we go uh do you want to just get rid of us okay so that's a panorama shot of the office um basically you can see this is edel's workstation Brandon's workstation here's the copper piping coming down for each of the systems this one's going to be for um the potential new employee who I'm going to hear back from this weekend this is for taran's workstation this is an extra this is for my workstation and here are the vinyl decal on the wall and then here I'm just going to switch back to this so that I can go into my email without oh I just heard from Chris from NC NC challenges lonus Tech tips to Mario Kart they watching I guess we should have known that was coming can I be on their team no what do you think this is you're going to abandon us in our hour of need they're better wow wow it's not it this is about family this is not well okay if we want to talk about family I do game with them pretty much every night uhhuh with uh voice chant all versus just working over here yeah so someone says I should fire edel actually no one said that that was just what I was thinking oh I can't even believe you anyway so this is uh this is a not panorama shot which I personally find a little bit easier to digest cuz I'm old of uh this is teran's water cooled system right here oh you took that like recently this is the extra uh here's my machine over in the corner running off of this one and then we've got bro fist and when stealth sort of centered look at much extra space whatever uh sort of centered on the wall in there so yeah love it those pipes look sketchy what looks sketchy about them oh maybe that's stuff oh that's just a that's a label yeah it's no big deal these are copper pipes that were soldered by Luke's dads so need to be painted needs to be painted I don't want to paint them I like the copper Co yeah we have um like can we polish it somehow yes okay uh Luke's dad gave us this um this stuff that we can use to polish it quite quickly and then we're planning to paint uh a varnish layer over the top so that they really shine I'm uh I'm super stoked going to look awesome all right guys thanks for watching peace out see you next weekokay and we're back and hopefully the audio is fine it sounds fine to me it's fine for some people yeah apparently it was fine to some people so I suspect it was more of a twitch issue than anything else but since we're restarting the show we have to do a very brief thing here so we're going to cover the Intel x99 chipset in their eight core brand new extreme Edition 5960x Amazon purchased switch TV for $1 billion 970 million 1 billion is dollars all right uh Microsoft is cracking down on fake apps in the Windows store Windows 9 will be free or quite cheap and boom here's the intro no I haven't actually watched this really yeah like not in a long time nicer than I thought it was yeah it's really good except you need to make an Asian smaller guy instead of the Luke on the right there all right so our sponsors this week are what did I do oh that's sort of terrible okay we're going to have to watch it again apparently no don't worry I I got this and yay our sponsors this week are 54 Club they have actually slightly revised their usual deal so I will be giving you guys more details but instead of the old offer you may actually get cash money in your box which I think is pretty darn interesting also oh wow I I did it again that that is something that is something all right so also powering the show this week is hyperx and um we've actually got the intro playing yeah the intro is playing okay I got this i got this i got this under control this is what happens when I don't sleep and the entire week is a complete disaster for me so this week the show is also brought to you by hyperx we've actually got Luke and Brandon down at PAX Prime they are powered by hyperx down there at the show and they are going to be doing a great job of bringing you guys some great content from pack so one thing to keep in mind guys is that hyperx asked for us to mention their YouTube channel so that's youtube.com/ Kingston hyperx they've got a lot of great gaming content on there so make sure that you check that out all right so uh all right twitch chat I'm sorry we're done with the technical difficulties for now all right so our first news topic this week and this is this was po this was removed from the Forum since the original post by Marcus UK so the article here is from Gamespot and Amazon acquires Twitch in A1 billion deal see Gamespot agrees with me $1 billion now this flies in the face of the original rumors that YouTube was going to acquire twitch and we were actually talking about this in the car on the way back from the office the other day and I think the Amazon acquisition makes sense but I think you were saying that YouTube might have been a more might have been a more sensible option depending on Whose perspective we're talking about so I think it's better that Amazon bot twitch just because you don't have that Consolidated of uh with regard to videoing I was just playing Devil's Advocate because Google has acquired a ton of things and they haven't really ruined them except for like ways and what else I think there are people who would argue that they've kind of ruined YouTube compared to the sort of the Indie vibe that YouTube had going on at the beginning but honestly I think it was going to go that direction eventually anyway because they were going to have to figure out a monetization model it's just that Google figured that out and YouTube might have come to a very similar conclusion on their own if they had stayed independent except that they might not have been able to ever build the kind of infrastructure to support you know HD and now 4K that Google has managed to build to back it up IIT s you trying to say that YouTube was ruined or wasn't I'm trying to say some people say it is I personally don't think so yeah they're crazy yeah I mean I think that YouTube has been great for Content creators and it's been pretty darn good with some obvious hiccups like the recent go plus integration and that's not being consumers yeah and the fact that we can't upload anything right now but by and large it's better than it used to be I mean I used to have issues uploading files all the time now it's like weird when it happens apparently I look awkward you look awkward I think we both look awkward because the camera is like super awkward and we far away and stuff but so what would you have seen happening then if Google acquired twitch instead of Amazon I think it would be largely the same just because I don't think either of them want to ruin a good thing because twitch is as big big as it is just because that's what they do they've only been around three years Jus in TV was longer that's true but the whole game streaming thing has only been around for three years on twitch.tv or twitch I guess is their it's their current brand which is more reason not to tamper with anything just because who else really understands game streaming besides switch and isubu TV who else now that's it that's pretty much it so they can't really bring in their own experience just because they don't have that experience so I think by and large either company would would have left twitch alone hard to say because even though twitch has so much more experience with live game streaming I think that if if Google acquired them and this was this was this was an opinion that I saw kind of echoed in a number of different places I think had Google acquired twitch they would have been the little brother of YouTube and the YouTube Team could claim to have a lot of experience with game streamers because typically archived content even from Big Game streamers will do better on YouTube over the long term than it does on Twitch in fact twitch has even revised their archiving policies to delete to well to try to delete most of people's old footage unless they're saving it as a highlight reel cuz no one's really watching it it's just taking up space I watch it okay you watch it but but would it kill you to go on their YouTube channel to watch it okay well from my perspective I watch tournaments uh when they're not in the right time zone and or like if I just miss it so I'll usually go to that twitch broadcast channel and watch the the vods on there whereas I would have to like YouTube and search some random channel to find right you know this is the this is an interesting take on this I've got a few people in the twitch chat suggesting that Amazon was actually buying the streaming technology that twitch has been using I don't know if I buy that I mean Amazon's already got their on demand video it's not like they don't have the backbone to stream video um I I really don't think that that's it I mean I think that there's probably a trick or two that twitch has developed over the last few years here that is that is helping them to do what they're doing but having actually chatted with someone pretty high up at twitch around this time last year I mean they were they were br forcing a lot of it at least a year ago and there isn't really a way without building data centers all over the place to make streaming much less demanding which happens to be exactly what Amazon has and that's why that's a marriage made in heaven and mind you it's much the in much the same way that Google and twitch would have been as well because Google also has data centers all over the place that would have been able to reduce the latency that we all experience with twitch as well as potentially increase the quity and reliability of the streams so I I totally disagree that Amazon bought them for the technology I don't think their technology is anything special compared to what Amazon does someone says edel stop staring at lonus he can't resist oh okay fine I'll I'll stare at that I'm trying to listen to you and that's the best way to listen you're trying to listen to me that's your first mistake yeah I'm just going to to zoom this in a little bit there we go hopefully that's a wow because the camera's crooked I look super tall which is not the cas at all I'm actually taller than lonus someone says now you have a baby you look all grown up I actually have two two kids now and uh I probably look grown up because I look old because I am super super tired this week it has been a crazy week uh should we talk about it a little bit your baby no not my baby the the week we've had what would you know about my baby uh no name yeah actually we have named her now really yes I basically just gave up and yvon went with it no I I'm not going to I don't reveal the kids names on uh I don't reveal the kids names on the stream or anything it's wona yeah it's not it's not wona but uh yeah been we have named the baby so we came in on Monday morning and since then it's been pretty much a blur we have uh okay so our main office room all the editing um I painted it while you guys were doing arts and crafts wait Monday really yeah yeah we got started Monday I think wait what no it's it was supposed to be 3 days and today was the fourth wasn't it oh yeah you're right what did we do Monday well Brandon wasn't back yet whoa what did we this week feels like it's been two weeks have we been at this for five days no no no no no I don't think so okay anyway the point is let's say Tuesday let's assume it was Tuesday Tuesday Morning um we tore apart the office office so all the workstation PCS all the editing machines we tore them out of the office and Scattered them throughout the building because there was no space for anything we piled all the desks in the middle and Nick and I painted the room then um so what were you doing on the first day I don't remember like I what which was the first day was it Monday or Tuesday Tuesday let's say it was Tuesday okay build any PCS on the first day I thought on the first day Luke was drilling holes into things right so the cases we picked needed to have two holes drilled in the top of each of them before we could actually install any hardware because there was a clearance issue with the radiators in spite of our pre-planning that we hoped was going to work so Luke spent a lot of time doing that on the first day and then I started building some of the computers putting processors on motherboards you helped with that installing RAM power supply power supply that was first day yeah that was first day and then second day we did we finish the computers the second day I think second day we did liquid cooling yeah so we finished building the PCS which when it's five PCS is actually somewhat timec consuming especially when lonus gets abandoned by Luke so that he can test Intel's new fourth gen processors that second day cuz lukee helped on the first day yeah I think we're I think we're getting this it's all been a blur we've taken so much video and you promised that the videos about this are going to be awesome right uh now you're on the spot you asked if they would be good not awesome and I said I would make it good okay I guess that's what we're going to have to uh to go with we've got people complaining about audio sync issues again but the reality of it is guys is I think it's just just one of those things where yeah it's nothing to do with mine is just broken da no no no those are out those were released today the all new fourth gen 8 Core Extreme Edition all that good stuff so um would it help if I put the computer here so that I told you it looked like I was staring at your crotch okay if I put the computer here maybe that'll maybe that'll help a little bit um so on the second day we finished building the computers and I don't know whether it's because Swift Tech's fittings are super tight or their tubing is a little bit big when the weather's really hot but we were having a lot of trouble getting fittings on and those computers took more than a full day of working to install fittings in and install tubing in so then after that that's when Nick was working on redoing the to mount the radiator to the outside of the house right I don't know about that part just because I was busy fiddling with the fittings the entire time yeah Ed was the one we I actually didn't even know how swift teex quick disconnects worked and Ed was the one who figured out that we have to what does it come with it comes with a socket a G1 quarter socket and then we have to put an end cap on instead right yeah yeah how did I even figure that out I think I may have just been trying to undo the quick disconnect and then I couldn't figure that out and just twisting it things came off and I may have picked up the wrong piece and tried to put that on but it worked out yeah yeah so we figured that out and then through during that time Nick was uh realizing along with me that our original plan for mounting the radiators on the fascia board like under the roof overhang was not going to work it was way too big big and way too heavy like that Biz was not happening so Nick had to figure out how to build a like a wooden frame around the whole thing and then Mount the radiators to that and then we had to find a way to get that on the roof and I think that was what we did on the third day we mounted the radiator to the roof in the morning third day was wasn't that yesterday though yeah was that third day yeah we mounted the radiator yesterday and then today four days what do on Monday the afternoon yesterday and today we have filled the loop now a total of three times due to various leaking and configuration issues so that's been our week this week uh we can move on to actually I'm going to try to uh I'm going to try to upload this file again just because you know I can I can have a dream that maybe YouTube won't be broken uh the radiator isn't actually on the roof right it's uh in between the houses so here are the houses one house our house it's like over here and no matter where the sun is it's actually in the shade so it's not going to get cooked yeah we were actually kind of fortunate that there was somewhere sensible to put that because that wasn't necessarily um a thing that we plannned why is the piping not in the wall no way Firefox is working and chrome isn't for our upload brilliant freaking jokes man jokes man are we even using the Steed water no we're not right nope yeah it's just from the hose yeah it's from the hose cuz that was how the only way we were able to fill it um so lonus went up on the ladder radiator we brought up a hose into the bathroom and fill it that way this might look wrong that definitely looks all wrong yeah so that was the only way we could even get water into it because we are not using a closed system it's not sealed we actually have like a a fill tube that goes up above the highest level of the of the piping that's in the room so the only way to get any in there cuz there's no room to even pour is to put the hose in because if we brought it down any lower as soon as the pump stops the system would back up and pour water which we discovered the hard way once we discovered that it wasn't quite high enough were you there for that no I I think I was outside oh no it poured water all over me ah yeah I have gotten sprayed with water quite a few times in the last few days it has been extremely exciting all right so why don't we move on to our next topic here Nvidia will allegedly skip 800 Series Desktop cards and the next generation will be called 900 series this was posted by Rock 1 M1 originally on the lus tech tips Forum so I guess do you want to give the basic facts here why don't we just if you put your leg down Wen really we can put this on both of our our legs then we can both look like we're staring at each other it was just like room so there's not much to talk about yeah so the fact is the rumor is that in order to align with what was it the notebook naming scheme they were going to name the notebook line G9 or was it GTX 900 yeah or 900m but then they thought that it would be confusing because the desktop was still on 700 and the notebooks are the notebooks were rebranded 800 a little while ago so they're in this weird position where they've they've done this at times I mean they've done it right now where the notebook ones are a series ahead of the desktop ones even though they're running this completely the same architecture um but I guess if they found themselves two gens ahead on mobile that might get extremely confusing and then or if they're planning to refresh both at the same time then now's a good time to just kind of skip one and catch up it's not the first time they've done it there was never a GTX 380 was that just for mobile uh no there was never I don't think there was ever a GTX 300 series at all cuz we got yeah they scrapped that yeah yeah I think the the rumor was they just completely scrapped the project entirely well the announcement will come rumored come on September 9th wow that's really soon we've got a lot of stuff going on right now with all the new Intel stuff uh ddr4 so our first video about the uh in the Nvidia about the Intel Haswell e 8 Core Extreme Edition will actually be coming I think Tuesday night so Luke has run all the benchmarks I've scripted the video but we haven't had a single video editing workstation up and running in order laptop to actually make it so well there was a laptop but we were using that to make the videos that we've released over the last couple days so yeah there's been no time but guys this thing is a beast Intel has finally done it they have caught up to the mainstream platform I mean I don't know about the rest of you but I have found it extremely frustrating that for must be about 5 years now you've been able to get better technology by buying into a mainstream platform than by buying into an Enthusiast platform I mean what's the deal with that and we're not even just talking about CPU architecture so ever since the uh the LGA 1156 LGA 1366 days ever since then you've been able to get you know things like um Quicks sync technology for quick video transcoding you've been able to get more usb3 ports native usb3 ports more native sata 3 connectors or even native sata 3 connectors at all back in the x58 days like Thunderbolt all this new technology has been coming to the mainstream LGA 1155 and LGA 1150 platforms before we get it on LGA 2011 well now all of that changes there is actually a justifiable reason to go LGA 20113 so the CPUs are all more course I mean that was supposed to be a big selling point even back with x58 was it can support more than four cores we had six cores the problem is that the only one on the in the consumer space was the 980x it was a and the 990x and zons I guess but these are not these are not really consumer grade price points they were thousand CPUs so everyone just went with quad course on the mainstream platform because a few more PCI Express Lanes in triple Channel or quad Channel memory is not enough to justify a CPU architecture that is inherently anywhere from 8 to 15% slower depending on which generational Gap we're looking at regardless of how much memory bandwidth it has so now with LG 20113 we are getting the same CPU architecture so it's Haswell or Haswell e but basically Haswell e is just Haswell with more Hells we are getting ddr4 which right now is very expensive for not much of a performance gain but in the future will give us much higher speed memory we're getting sad Channel memory we're getting more PCI Express Lanes so 40 on the highend chips and then I believe don't quote me on this I believe it's either 26 or 28 PCI Express Lanes on the lower end chip we're getting the same feature set so we can get Thunderbolt enabled motherboards which is really awesome like the x99 deluxe from Asus has that Thunderbolt header so you can add their Thunderbolt 2 expansion card we are getting the works and it is what's up now are uh saying I'm quiet oh you're quiet sorry kind of got on the whole Intel quation I'm on kind of a thing because the problem with LGA 2011 was there was one CPU that was Within Reach for general consumers and it was either the 382k or the 4820k for the last couple of generations the problem was that was a quad core chip it was a quadcore chip that was more expensive on a more expensive platform form with more expensive RAM for literally no performance Improvement unless you really need the extra memory bandwidth or you really need a few more PCI Express Lanes which most people don't need unless they also need more processing cores so in order to even get a sensible configuration on LGA 2011 you were spending $600 plus dollars on your chip not exactly uh compelling sort of you know gamer type of price point well now on LGA 2011 3 for around 400 bucks you can get a six core so all of a sudden the entire Intel lineup makes sense again so on the mainstream you got quad cores up to nice high clocked ones like their new Devil's Canyon the 4790k then you pay another I guess it's around another $75 to $100 you get two more cores plus a more robust more Enthusiast grade platform and ddr4 support then beyond that you get a few more PCI Express Lanes although I think that lower end one is going to be the more appealing one for most enthusiasts and then at the very high end there's the extreme Edition the whole thing finally makes sense again so that's what I'm excited about and yeah we've got people talking about it in twitch chat that six core for 389 looks like a good CPU for the money damn right because even though single-threaded performance isn't going to be any better overclocking is solid ddr4 is going to help a little bit and if you need the extra cores like let's say you want to I don't know output videos while you game then you will have it someone says hire Luke back please lonus everyone is ignoring you and staring at edil Luke is not fired well not any more than he's usually fired Luke is at packs so he was driving last night and he's doing show coverage right now so he and Brandon are are doing a great job of that presumably they're asking him to poke me they always do this they do this with Luke too Luke poke lus why is this room so hot as if I'm not also looking at the twitch chat you know what this isn't nearly as hot as it usually is we have a fan blowing and we have the window open window's not open the window's not open oh you're going to want to open that window that explains why it's so hot in here oh I love this show all right so in other news that I suspect almost nobody cared about origin PC and AMD have officially made up so origin will once again give buyers the option to use AMD cards in their origin PCS this was posted by Juan Wu 26 on the Forum um did you even hear about this no but I read up on what the comments said and apparently origin PC just got butt hurt is that right just because they didn't uh they weren't informed by AMD about the Hawaii GPU launch okay so there's a couple of things um so rumor number one is that Nvidia had a program where they paid origin copious amounts of money to not sell AMD but that's just a rumor but that is just a rumor um Nvidia has come out and said that's not true um so that's all we know about that uh what I do know is that origin was not at the AMD Hawaii GPU event and main gear PC had a demo system up running Hawaii gpus at the event when origin did not allegedly have any access to said GPU so the rumor is that origin basically was super upset about that and was like what you don't want us to sell your gpus fine we're not going to sell your gpus anyway so apparently they have kissed and made up and uh AMD apologized which you know I think was probably merited cuz it's one thing if you invite you know all your system builder Partners to come and showcase their rigs it's another if you pick one favorite one and then leave all the others out or even one of the budget concern I don't think so I mean that Hawaii event cost a fortune maybe that's why there was a budget issue just getting everyone there they blew it all on lus wow I mean they had I think they had over aund Tech journalists at that event so they could have just not invited me and Austin and they could have probably afforded to have origin there and then this whole thing could have been avoided but who's more important really like me and Austin yeah or origin PC I think we have to do a straw pull straw pull time guys straw po do you want to see what I'm typing you can look at my crotch there we go who okay this is me looking at the laptop and this is me looking at his crotch this there's a difference lonus and Austin origin PC you know what's funny is we're actually going to be covering a really cool new product from origin at the show I'm not I'm not down on Origin at all they're cool guys they have great products it's just uh just having some fun at their expense right now all right here we go here we go I'm sorry you're not logged in yeah there you go what the deuce all right guys I'm sharing this with you now I'm trying to trying desperately to you know I'm actually really excited about the technological improvements that I think the Amazon acquisition is going to bring to Twitch what's what what do you think is going to change I think it will improve reliability because Amazon is reliable I mean AWS yeah is reliable except for those times that it has gone down and led to dozens of sites being offline okay when when AWS has a problem I think the new news about it gets Amplified I don't think that's because AWS has tons of problems compared to other services I think it's just that because they host so much it's a lot more noticeable when there's some kind of an issue I think I think that might be an issue in itself just because if twitch goes down with like abson hosting it and like 10 other sites that you might go to also go down right you know what are you left with whereas if those go down you still have twitch so you can you can watch us well I suspect that they will be I mean unless you know an entire data center loses power and is underwater or something like that I suspect you won't see an outright outage of something like twitch you might see the service slow down in much the same way that we often see happen now but it has happened right right hasn't it pretty sure where it's like oh blah blah blah is down and it's all leads to Amazon being down very rare but I think the thing we can all agree on is that lonus and Austin were much more important to invite to the Hawaii event than origin PC so we're really sorry about that origin you know you guys uh you guys you guys tried you know you tried to be as cool as me and Austin but unfortunately that wasn't going to happen all right what do we got for our next topic aha valve will optimize their streaming service with Nvidia Hardware so this is from the Nvidia blog let's go ahead and share my screen with you guys here there we go valin Nvidia just made game streaming better than ever last week valve officially released support for Hardware en coding on Nvidia GeForce gpus in the steam client pair the support with one of the latest GeForce GTX gpus and you can play remotely from your PC connected to any steam enabled system in your home at resolutions of up 1080 60p so I think this is kind of Nvidia making a lot of noise about something that was bound to happen eventually and really not that different from much anything else anyhow but it's great I mean have you tried steam in home streaming no no okay it is awesome and I've actually spent a little bit of time on Steam Chat with the lead Dev for Ste in home streaming um and he was I was chatting to him about sort of video encoding and decoding and what they're doing with respect to lowering latency and it's absolutely fascinating because they basically have to rackle it from a different angle for every different combination of encoders and decoders in order to make sure that everything is compatible and everything not only works but is extremely low latency so you don't feel that Network lag when you move the keyb and or when you press the keybard move the mouse what do I play overing home streaming almost anything I've even played FPS games is that to The Shield or no so one of the potential problems with streaming within the home so from a a more powerful PC to a smaller device or a laptop or another PC was I saw potential competing standards as a roadblock the fact that Nvidia had their own technology where it was like okay you need a GeForce GPU you got to install GeForce experience on your PC you got to have an Nvidia Shield branded device so whether it's a portable handheld or the tablet and you got to have a supported router and that is it you plug in all these things and then all the check marks come on and it works so I kind of saw that as a potential problem problem compared to valve solution which is okay do you have a graphics card great do you have a CPU also great do you have some other thing great it works except the other thing has to run Steam and the first thing has to run Steam as well and then depending on the hardware you were going to either have a really great experience if you had nice fast Hardware encoding and decoding or you were going to have a super crummy experience so for example LGA 11 1156 CPUs were available in either dual core with onboard Graphics or quad core with no onboard Graphics configurations the dual core would have been able to support Hardware accelerated decoding the quad core could not so there was some tricky stuff with respect to making sure you had a configuration that was going to work with steam and home streaming so now seeing Nvidia and valve work together on this I now have complete confidence that whether you're going to run Windows or you're going to run Steam OS people who run AMD people who run AMD are still going to be okay because valve is going to work with AMD as well Val because AMD doesn't even have a competing solution they don't have free stream or whatever it is they would call something like that you think they will so many people have actually just gone with Nvidia and like completely abandoned AMD is it's funny you mention that because the market share isn't that much different than it was 5 years ago amd's always kind of been in that 20 to 35% range of the discret desktop GPU Market that's all they really got AMD free stream we have to start that we have to make that happen we have to tell AMD that they have to have like um like a a Freel handheld and then they have to have like AMD free stream and and that should that should be awesome for the AMD people I'd be really interested to see valve I mean I'm I'm hoping that this is an announcement they make in the next six months to a year but it would put the final nail in the Nvidia game stream coffin for me if valve released an Android steam client and I I see them potentially heading this way already they ported portal to Android they ported halflife 2 to Android they already have a steam app so how far are we away from Steam being your gaming Hub potentially on Android as well with all of these other fantastic steam features running natively on Android or being streamed running natively on Android that's what I'd like to see because then with valve behind it I mean all the respect in the world world to the Limelight guys every time I've used Limelight the latency has not been comparable to Nvidia game stream valve on the other hand I have faith that they could make that happen and they could make streaming from your PC AMD powered Invidia powered Intel onboard powered who cares I think they could make that a great experience streaming to any device that has a beefy enough um h264 decoder chip on board apparently Nvidia did ports Nvidia did the ports themselves don't think so I know that Nvidia was deeply involved in the ports but valve was also involved in porting those games and even then I mean the fact that valve was even willing to entertain that I don't know we'll see I mean it's going to be it's going to be a big it's going to be a big battle for what is the next gaming platform of choice Beyond on the PC and Beyond really not so much the PC cuz I don't think the PC is going anywhere but beyond the console it's either going to be some type of lightweight PC something like an Alienware Alpha or something like uh any other sort of lightweight desktop type machine running Steam OS or some other Linux derivative or even windows or it's going to be Android and if you look at the overall strategy valve and Nvidia both obviously believe in different things here with valve thinking we're heading the direction of steam PCS or whatever they want to call them and Nvidia thinking we're headed towards Android but I don't think either of them really Minds if it's the other one or some mix of the two because Nvidia can still sell you gpus over here and valve can still sell you games over here so I wasn't listening at all I was reading twitch chat did they say anything interesting or are they just telling you to poke me more something about your crotch maybe ah yes my crotch my crotch is is uh definitely one of the top subjects of discussion on the stream today love it so originally posted by Mech 777 the article from Hardware 360.com I'm just going to go ahead and fire this baby up here Witcher 3 Dev promises only 30 FPS on consoles what w although the funny thing about this is that uh they basically said okay we're going to be aiming for the highest resolution possible but full HD 1080p would likely not be possible and the only thing they could promise was 30 FPS so essentially even though you know there have been some complaints about there being a console release at least what the uh you know PC Master race subreddit can uh take some consolation in is the the fact that the experience on the console is going to be significantly degraded is David still here David yeah yeah is can you get the door when it rings in a minute thank you UPS is outside I think they've got a uh Cooler Master power supply for edel's new dual Titan 12 core editing workstation yeah that's your new power supply man and something else H yeah David's gonna David's gonna grab it we should say hi to the UPS guy I don't think you can hear me I think he's got his Bluetooth headset in have you ever really gotten into a Witcher game yeah I love The Witcher games okay tell me what's appealing about them I've tried both Witcher one and Witcher 2 enlighten me I find that the character interactions are above the standard that you might be used to for most games uh the main character is actually kind of shitty he like no offense no offense to the voice actor or the writers but isn't that by default isn't that who you just offended saying no offense doesn't make it unoffensive okay fine full offense to anyone involved but geralt is kind of a shitty character he's always like dead pan and I don't know he's just not a very good character but but everyone else is a good character and they develop and like their interactions with uh you are interesting and like it's all based on novels so like they are actually fleshed out and uh just like playing in that that world that actually exists in detail somewhere uh is nicer than other games that's that's what I like about it like how they create their creatures they have a lore you can read up on them so on and so forth hey David could we actually get those those things yeah do mind I just want to find out what this is I'm hoping it's Dominator platinum ddr4 and we can show that to you guys okay because I have I've tried both times and within actually the funny thing is with Witcher 2 I even got like an hour and a half in because I was looking for a consistent benchmarking spot and I just I did not find it compelling at all thank you sir do you like fantasy RPGs anyway I made it all the way through Dragon Age one uh yeah Dragon Age 2 I did not find nearly as compelling that was kind of shitty compared to uh this one Dragon Age one was really great though I really enjoyed it I don't have a knife I do what is this who's it from oh it is from Corsair but I don't know what it is it doesn't feel heavy enough to be dominator platinums wa chat guess what it is let's play a guessing game live unboxings okay oh am I not supposed to swear I don't care okay try not to drop drop F Bombs all over the place you know oh it's the new um Corsair link thing cool so this is supposed a pretty big improvement over the old one wow it's much lower profile I don't know how much they've shown of this yet so I'm going to just kind of put that back in the box for now but uh cool so we're definitely going to check that out and then the other one here you want to do the honors I like how you just toss things ah it's It's Not Fragile it's Corsair it's made by Corsair so it's pretty good unlikely to break we've actually thrown horse aair power supplies out of out of cars and drop them off roofs speaking of great power supplies though this is one of the finest power supplies available on the market 80 plus Platinum 1200 watt fully modular so this is a vs series power supply from Cooler Master because we realized as we were building the rigs for the whole room liquid cooling setup that we had asked Cooler Master for 750 wat power supplies with the assumption that I was going to be getting one of the Titan blacks well after much debate and much um concealment of the actual are just like yeah let give me the Titan yeah so I ended up with an old GTX 285 that we had lying around somewhere in my rig and Ed ended up with two Titans and we kind of went shoot is 750 watts even enough probably not so cuz he's got three graphics cards in there uh what is it the two Titans and a Quadro yeah two Titans and a Quadro plus the 10 gbit ethernet card plus the 12 core processor so we're talking about the kind of rig that these types of power supplies are legitimately made for actually we should actually like measure how much it actually takes we should measure like when you're when you're um dinking around in Cinema 4D we should have a look at what kind of power consumption when you're hitting the ram the gpus and the CPU all same used that much uh during octane oh that's right now so yeah it's all it's all what I'm going to give the floor to you while I go get a drink of water um would you like one too can you get my energy drink in the other room sure yeah I'll grab your energy drink but I want you to justify because people haven't really I think been able to understand why anyone could possibly need a 12 core CPU 64 gigs of RAM dual Titan blacks and a Quadro in one machine can you justify what the heck it is you do around here that you need that kind of power for I'll be right back justify that okay where to start where to start all right so for the the 12 core processor um well I use after effects pretty much exclusively these days no that's that's a lie uh most for the big projects like the build guides I guess that's it these days um I use after effects to do Motion Graphics for the intro the lower thirds and then I've also started to use Cinema 4D and I have the octane renderer engine which is fully GPU accelerated so to put this to I guess size this up against each other uh my six core processor would render a frame in about six minutes one GPU would render one frame in 1 minute 30 seconds I'll be back actually I'm not quite ready yet two gpus would be around 45 seconds I can't do math uh so three it's bound to be what 20ish 25 seconds someone do the math for me please porn why are we talking about porn I don't get this uh the yeah it's a one frame and six second or 6 minutes because it's like 3D Ray tracing no it's actually like Photon something or other but it's definitely more intensive than 2D video would you like to sit back down yeah sure I noticed in my absence you just completely took over the entire couch awesome so had you made it through all of the components yet uh I don't think I've Justified the ram yet okay so in After Effects to use multiprocessor rendering you have to assign each core some Ram ideally you want to assign it three gigs each I don't have enough for that so I so I assign it two G GS that's what 2 * 12 no 24 because it counts the separate threads as a core right 4 48 gigs so that's 48 I guess I could no that brings it up to no you used to have no you did you didn't used to be able to do it because you had six cores 12 threads 12 * 3 is 36 and you had 32 gigs whereas with the new 64 gig config you'll have 24 threads time yeah you still won't have yeah I can still only assign 12 gigs to it yeah but you know what we could try as an experiment we could try turning off hyperthreading because hyperthreading will give you a uh you know probably a 10 to 15% boost but you might get more of a boost by being able to assign more RAM to your course interesting we should play around with that that's going to be cool anyway sorry some mac users have allegedly disabled some cores but that's not hyperthreading no you can you can oh because the Mac Pro only has four memory slots but then you can load it with ECC Ram so h t it I still have more slots on there right yeah you have eight slots could get more RAM um yes a uh Asus has a beta bios for the x79 deluxe that supports uh 16 gig dims but only certain ones not the ones that we originally obtained for the project okay so sorry you were justifying why you need why you need all these uh I Justified the Cinema 4D just because uh linear performance scaling with graphics cards which is amazing I think I need two more Titans honestly cuz Okay take the cost of a Titan right and then ,000 take count how many hours an extra Titan would save me in rendering in the one project we've everever done one so far more it could be more if I could do things faster I could do more of those and that's how I'm trying to justify two more Titans well you've got two why don't we see how it goes from there anyway so because of him I don't even have a display port output so my LG monitor is running on a DVI to HDMI adapter and HDMI in at 50 HZ so I'm going to have to obtain some other kind of GPU for my system and when that happens I guess around the same time we're going to add another pump to the whole room setup so that bleeding air from the system is much much easier because right now the only way to bleed the air from the lines that go down and then up to each system from the top of the room is to disconnect all the other systems so that the main pump is only pushing through one system so that we can get all the air bubbles out but what's cool is the way we have it working right now none of the systems even have pumps on so if we could close the door to the server room the fans are on the fans are running you still want fans running but we wouldn't have to have them all running so the way that it's set up right now if we could close the door to the server room we could actually have the room be extremely quiet which uh how loud is the the red not bad not bad but what I'm thinking is we might get um like a variable power supply so we could dial it into 8 volts or something like that cuz with 20 noctua industrial N2 fans and then five quad radiators it's way more than enough for the systems that we have in there we actually had it running passively for hours today with three of the systems idling and Ed's 12 core priming and we you managed to raise it what like two degrees what on passive yeah passive without the fans even running 100% it was 40 8° C idle was 30 yeah I mean but um when you had it priming it went up to about 50° C Max right it's about the same was it about the same okay maybe we didn't even manage to increase the temps but I'm thinking in the winter we may not have to disconnect from the whole room system what we might do is just turn off all the fans and then if we have enough or or turn on only a few of the fans so what I'm thinking is as like a phase two if Luke and I could find a way to have a temperature controlled um switch for each Bank of fans so as water temperature reaches X degre another bank of fans turns on and as it reaches X degrees another bank turns on and then they turn off to prevent the entire water cooling system from getting so cold that we have condensation problems so that that could be like a phase two where it actually intelligently maintains its temperature at a specific setting can you set uh fan curve without without a PC connected to it we yeah there would be a way actually yes a t balancer can be configured with extra mini controllers and those will run oh I geta you you program them so you don't actually have to have the software interacting with it that could even work stupid it's it's so stupid it might just be brilliant this is getting stupider and stupider I love it oo I'm excited oh we had someone in the twitch chat figure out the tea balancer thing before I said it so we got to give them a shout out for that who is it who is it where are you I can't find it because I don't have that stupid plugin installed in my browser so I can't scroll up anyway good job um you know what we should probably do our spa spots before we completely run out of time today so first up is 54 Club so guys to be clear the 54 Club offer has actually changed a little bit so now instead of saving $15 on your first package they are actually going to send you all the clothing that you ordered and they're just going to put cash money in the Box for you $10 cash bo like actually cash like dollar bills or whatever ever that is that is it so rather than like an online discount they're offering $10 cash back in the packaging that doesn't make any sense like okay sure why not so guys the whole thing with 54 Club is that it takes the effort out of shopping so I'm just going to pull up their site so I can show you guys how the whole thing works here we go line is to screen share actually I should probably move that there we go shopping sucks let us take care of making you look good now edel you enjoy shopping correct I love shopping lonus you know me so well I thought you do like shopping you like wearing nice clothes yeah I guess okay so even even the ones who like wearing nice clothes apparently I really I thought you enjoyed shopping for clothes you wanted to go shopping in Vegas when we were there the first year yeah but there's not there wasn't much else to do like outside outside of the park fres just like what is in Vegas besides gambling I hate gambling so the way 54 Club works is every month they send you a package of clothes so you can look and feel great you take a quick survey it takes literally less than a minute Luke and I both actually timed it see I'm actually you know what that's what we're going to do today we are going to do the survey in fact check this out they even put a timer in the corner so that you can you can realize as you finish that you uh took less than a minute to do it so what should we go for okay I'm going to have you do the survey Ed do business casual here hold on I actually really like the 54 system just because okay you want business casual yeah okay all right can I get this I scroll down the page uh what's your favorite color to wear H it's buil fall now right so maybe a red or brown no let's go with blue let's go with blue what does blue have to do with fall okay what's your second favorite color to wear let's go with a gray let's go with that let's go with a gray third favorite color let's go with brown okay Brown and then what is your top size medium medium what is your bottom size 32 all right 32 what does your bottom fit straight straight fit yep shoe size H oh jeez nine what shoe you're probably about a nine yeah okay okay and then which do you like more striped go striped all right what is your second favorite shirt type solid solid all right so you're not a plaid guy is what you're trying to say raw or washed for your jeans uh raw Gotta Love The Raw okay what kind of denim style do you prefer fashion fashion denim t-shirt preference fashion fashion okay and shoes oh they're both now let good with b b all right so there you go total time lapsed 101 seconds all right so it took us a little longer than 60 seconds but the main point is on your first time you get $10 cash back so sign up at bit.ly Linus FFC and try it out we actually had uh a 54 Club sponsorship spot that we did a while back that um was a total disaster I got all of the the pricing wrong got the offer for their July thing totally wrong but you know what's hilarious is they actually reached out to us and said a whole bunch of our viewers signed up so in the next couple minutes I'd like to hear from any of you who signed up for 54 Club go ahead and tweet with # Linus 54 not because I'm 5'4 inches tall I'm much taller than that what's the offer code um someone asked sorry someone asked what the offer code was uh offer code is lonus I believe 54 Linus let me just double check I really love uh the 54 system just because like I don't have time to go shopping like during the weekdays just because I leave here at 6 no 5:30 oh apparently we've used hash Linus 54 before all righty then um okay 54 for those of you just tuning in uh Luke is off at packs I'm edel edel Yago on Twitter I guess me doing that doesn't really do anything does it I don't think so yeah follow me that I'm posting the link guys just make sure you use the link and I believe offer code is lonus so give that a try all right and then so yeah if I'm going to see if anyone has actually tweeted with the hashtag hashtag I want to hear what you guys think of it Linus 54 I did caps lock so 22 seconds ago all you did was use the hashtag you didn't actually tell me what you think of it okay so maybe we'll come back to this later but in the meantime Twitter is hard our I know Twitter is so difficult our second sponsor this week is hyper X memor so they are actually our gold sponsor for our P Prime coverage Luke and Brandon are down there at the show and hopefully having a ton of fun bringing you guys a ton of great coverage over the next um I guess it'll be is Friday Saturday Saturday Sunday Monday um all the packs Prime coverage should be landing so they're going to be covering some game stuff they're going to be covering some of the hardware stuff and you guys should definitely definitely get excited about that I think Luke is going to be trying to get all of his work done in the first uh I think what was he trying to do trying to get all of his work done in the first two days and then try to spend a bunch of time gaming so if you're going to be down in the byoc down at PA Prime definitely go say hi to Luke and Brandon they're both going to be there Nick's going to be there as well and Luke actually has my computer down there so if you've ever wanted to see my personal rig in person and you're going to be down at packs and you're going to be in the byoc that's basically going to be the requirements he um didn't have time to fix up his Spotswood test bench and he asked if uh if he could build up a rig from some of the parts around the office and I was just like well I got a newborn I'm not gaming this weekend so yeah I guess you can just take my rig so I thought that was pretty darn cool all right so just someone did it in 14 seconds someone did what did the 54 thing in 14 seconds yeah I don't think they actually chose things right or they might just be like I that's kind of fun maybe for our next uh maybe for our next 54 integration thing we should actually make that a contest let's see who can do the 54 survey in the least amount of time um just so you know guys uh the pricing for 54 so per month is 60 bucks they send you a sticker price of sorry what's up what's the 54 hash oh oh sorry sorry sorry I'll post that okay so # Linus 54 guys so hit us on Twitter with that I want to hear what you think of the service now that you've been using it so it's 60 bucks a month and then you get a total value of $100 worth of clothing and then the first month they're just going to send you $10 in the box so you get effectively a $10 discount on your first month oh and something I should mention about um hyperx's sponsorship for PAX Prime is they really wanted me to tell you guys yo check out their YouTube channel because they've been doing a lot of really cool stuff on it lately so you just go to youtube.com/ I think just hyperx works now as well no it doesn't so youtube.com/ Kingston hyperx and they've been doing a bunch of really cool stuff so aside from just like yeah you know here's some really great memory and headsets and USB drives and stuff you should probably you should probably try it out they've also got a bunch of really cool content that's like um bloggy style or skits or interviews with pro orts athletes so um they're doing a fantastic job of releasing a ton of interesting content when you compare that to what other brand names tend to do on their YouTube channels where it's like yet another place to put an ad um I think their approach is really stands out from the crowd so I I like how uh they've been doing a lot of a lot of videos or ads with actual Pro Gamers I like they're they're not they're not actors so so they're kind of terad I wasn't sure if I could say that or not but that's fine it's genuine yeah it is genuine and it does help the Esports scene so I I do really appreciate that so I mean actually this is this is funny we uh check this out we we creeped them on W show last week to have a look at how their YouTube channel is growing and they had added let's look at their full monthly statistics they had added almost half of their total subscriber count in the previous two weeks or rather month and this time it looks like they've pretty much done it again they have added 20,000 and they have a total of 44,000 subscribers so they're growing extremely quickly so someone likes something that they're doing this is this is funny I've got kgh HT 222 in the twitch chat saying that the uh the $60 a month for 54 Club is an average of $2 a day for clothing I doubt even Bill Gates spends $800 a year on clothing Bill Gates I don't think he really on top of of that fashion thing or I don't think he even cares I think Bill Gates probably spends more than $800 a year on clothing I think he's he might be one of those people who buys like really expensive uh polos that are like bulletproof okay so I don't know I I wish I could meet Bill Gates Bill Gates meet me please yeah Bill Gates Bill if you're watching man you know we'd love to uh we'd love to have you on the show sometime people are really complaining about $60 a month for clothes like I no offense to people but clothes are kind of expensive if you care about like keep up well no you can look not homeless without spending all that much money but to keep up with anything it's kind of a lot of work all right so we are we are going to do it we are going to go unfiltered and have a look at what you guys have to say about 54 this will either be a great endorsement for the service or if you guys hate it then there'll be that um here we go is better than anyone they sent me clothes in the box without the face of Neptune got to love my socks all right Timothy says they have great clothing Dana says like all things I don't like the cost of shipping to Canada yes 54 is more expensive to ship to Canada okay Jacob Ingram says I just wanted to say you're pretty awesome edel I think you're skipping ahead Sam Palmer says I wish it was available in Australia would love to use the system ROM says love it thanks for recommending it and high Linus Le suggests that lonus do the boiling water challenge thanks Lew I jackass that's a thing um okay Amir says I really like the system but sadly I'm only 14 and constantly changing sizes actually I would see that as an advantage if you budget for it and you let cuz Okay the way 54 works is they have like a style advis who you work with directly and who handpicks your clothing every month so they actually have someone that you can contact and be like yo dog I Chang sizes so just throwing that out there it's interesting e0 says did it in 20 seconds all right Brien asks try to make the service available in the UK short sweatpants and graphic T-shirts they don't have my style I like shorts sweatpants and graphic t-shirts is that a style I don't know that's sweatpants and graphic t-shirts are a style I think that might be your issue Sam says the guy who wears socks and sandwi I don't wear sweatpants have you ever seen me wear sweatpants I want to say you have but I think I did once I was really sick all right oh sometime well sometimes you walk around in pajamas I think not here recent oh at home yes I've actually done videos in my pajamas uh Jack says love the surface Brett says come to Australia okay I think we've given 54 enough screen time at this point they should be pretty they should be pretty happy cuz we've like blabbed about them forever um see this is the problem we always start talking about like the sponsor value ad and then it's like this is a good discussion topic clothes are overrated all right I'm letting you deal with this one it was originally posted by Mushi on the Forum and the original article is from computer andv video games.com but um Nintendo says goodbye to casual gamers what exactly here I'm just going to bring up the article before I hand you the laptop that's what it looks like what exactly do they mean by that well who that didn't work oh which didn't work the the article thing up oh no no that's okay the article's gone well apparently uh because smartphones and apple in particular is taking over the uh casual gaming Market they don't really see a need to to okay noad to uh keep to keep making games for the Casual gaming Market which makes sense because you'd be competing with people who don't really want to play games anyway unless it's convenient so I like the direction they're going with this I don't like it at all why not you look at one of their most SU successful products in the last 10 years the DS the DS was all about the Casual experience for me I played more bomber man on my DS than anything else but you've also played games like uh what is it Bravely Default yes how did you like that bra default was good until it completely crapped the bed okay but okay let's ask the chat how many of you guys are or like casual games on nintend okay here do you guys think Nintendo still has a contribution to make to Casual games or should they focus on the stuff that looks casual in terms of the art style like Mario Kart and smash BRS but is actually extremely hardcore in terms of the game balancing and the game playay so there why don't we do straw pull here do you want to fire up do you know how straw pull works yeah yeah make up make up a straw pull I want to I want to hear from you guys does Nintendo still have a contribution to make or do you just want them to focus on what I mean really they're very good at you know Zelda I would make the argument that in spite of how cartoony something like okarina of time might have looked is definitely a gamer title not a casual title okay um go ahead and post that you just have to kind of spam it a little bit and do the permissive vote yeah there you go I'm totally I have I have one more straw poll in mind before the end of the show that I'm totally going to Blindside you with it's going to be fun all right spam spam spam what people say okarina is cartoony uh yeah come on little fairy where did I put that H disappeared yeah the twitch chat just moves really fast I mean my straw tab there we go boom JJJ says lonus do you see this no all right let's go ahead and screen share here so you mentioned Mario and Super Smash Brothers yeah I love Super Mario Kart I play it with the ncx guys like every week and then like we go to Chris's and then play it some more uh that's definitely not a casual game just cuz I know it's freaking hard and it's great love it I I probably spend more play more time playing Super Mario Kart than Mario Mario Kart yeah sorry that's what I started with the Super Mario Kart on SNES I on consoles I've played that more than any other game on a console really yes that much yeah so would you say that okay so because the the wi's whole value ad was supposed to be we fit and wi Sports terrible flinging the wi mode around okay so that that was the we so so if Nintendo's direction is okay Wii U we're going to go back to 1080p 60 FPS and hardcore titles could you be sold a Wii U if they made more hardcore titles yeah if they did more Mario Kart class titles on the Wii U would you consider buying one if no one else in my like group of friends had a wiu then yes like honestly for Mario Kart I would just buy a Wii U just for Mario Kart it's a really good party game okay so that's so that's it that's the issue then because okay from so from a business is kind of an issue because from a business standpoint if the objective is to sell more copies of the game and more consoles are they going to be doing themselves any favors by eliminating casual games in favor of I mean arguably the two examples that we came up with of great Nintendo hardcore titles party games well so are you're asking whether or not it's better for Nintendo to make party games and sell fewer consoles than casual games and sell more like yeah but do you have any stats for that no no I don't no I don't I'm just saying that it feels like a problem that the titles that you and I are discussing that could sell the console to us are titles that really only one person within a group of friends really needs to own unless you're going to be unless you're going to be one of those people like Luke who sits and practices Mario Kart so that when everyone comes and plays with him he just wrecks everybody those people are bad people by the way people who practice party games no I think bad people Anthony and Chris probably Jack Me Maybe too probably better than uh Luke at uh Mario Kart really yeah even though you didn't know the name of the game Mario Cart doesn't matter if there's super on there or an eight on the end same thing same thing okay and actually uh Chris's girlfriend amazing at Super Nintendo's uh Mario Kart really yeah ridiculous all right all right well you know what we will have to do we will have to do some game streaming sometime uh sometime maybe we'll go over to Luke's house or something or um yeah we could yeah we'll play some to bring all no we'll play some Mario Kart I have a land PC no no Mario Kart oh marioart you'll have to show us your you'll have to show us your skills we we'll have to see how that goes you know what's funny though is we could actually do PC game streaming from the office now everybody's work machine is now legit a legit gaming rig I need to SLI that oh yeah we never put an SLI bridge in your machine well in theory you wouldn't need it whatever I need have you played Battlefield have I played Battlefield 4 yeah not really I played a little bit of the single player and got Bor can I borrow those the Titans you want to borrow the Titans how are you going to get them out of the machine scissors yeah that's what I thought no absolutely not so ised the first time uh last week with uh S Dual 770s Battlefield is running all right but I am using a 2-year-old 8150 that lonus gave me for free when I started interning for him at NCI ex Tech tip that was like two years ago yeah it was wow yeah and apparently the 8150 is bottled necking my two Sly cards yeah that 8150 was uh that was like that was like the uh the the the chip even then and you gave it to me for for my hard work yeah thanks lonus hey you got RAM and a motherboard and I'm pretty sure a GPU at some point so yeah it wasn't all it wasn't all terrible all right so Razer cortex their Deal's video game tracker is now in this is in Early Access right now correct yep all right so basically bye David bye David so basically one of the best things about being a PC Gamer you know just ask PC Gamers there is no $59.99 I mean there is for like two days or if it's South Park Stick of Truth man that hurt I didn't buy that till like months after release and it was still $59.99 anyway there's no such thing as sticker price there's always a deal so Razer has their new cortex game Deal tracker it scours the internet tirelessly to let you know of price drop sweet deals and exciting promotions on your favorite game so you'll never miss out on another bargain so you can sign up for Early Access and check it out it's in beta and currently comparing prices exclusively in the US region and other regions will come after launch but that is something that you guys are definitely going to want to check out have you have you signed up no I haven't really are you going to I have so many things running already ready and I like I like steam uh that's what I thought about it I thought you know looking at all these features it looks like Steam and GeForce experience it has like a the game optimizing tool yeah and it like defrags your system which I already do it like prioritize prioritizes uh things so would you even fire it up to see if there was a deal before you bought a game on Steam or would you just blindly buy it on Steam because you find the steam experience so much better well like depends on how it works is it going to send me to any number of dozen sites like I don't want to make a new account for for a site every time a deal comes up and it's like on a different site like one reason I buy games off steam is that it's on Steam yeah you know there's my steam wallet it's just right there or EA origin store Ubisoft store I don't buy anything on there uh you know it's like it's right there it's convenient whereas Razer doesn't have their store like what how are they going to do this I'm really interested to try it out I'm going to install it I'm going to try it out and then I'll I'll see how it goes from there maybe it'll be a disaster but I mean Razer has shown that they're pretty serious about building software that makes gaming better I mean comms is a great example of that they saw a gap and they're like okay we're going to build something that legitimately addresses the need that people have so I'm interested to check this out funny that you should mention comms Dolby axen uh wasn't working like several times last week uh the crew and I use Dolby axen yep so we actually used the Razer comms it's I think it has more features than I remember and it's kind of nice now yeah got to say yep they've improved a lot it's not bad um okay we've got a couple more more topics Before We Say Goodbye because it's quarter after 6 already here uh Microsoft claims they are starting to crack down on fake apps in the Windows store this was originally posted by Sherman taker on the Forum and the article's from The Verge and basically Microsoft says they reached out to devs and told them that they have to make their Dev their their apps compliant with their new guidelines which or that it can't have an icon that's too close to something that is not representative of what it is um I think there were a couple of other things but basically there have been devs that are just like swift key for example if you go to the swift key you know what not the swift key devs I'm going to yeah not the swift key devs but if you search for swift key in the Windows store I'm going to try it now I've screenshotted it from before but let's let's do a live test of whether a scam app that I found um swift key keyboard has eight ratings for one star that is a $4 app the award-winning app for Android that replaces your onscreen keyboard giving you the fastest and easiest way to type now in Windows phone uh let's have a look at the reviews eight ratings where are the reviews here we go scam artist do not purchase this this is fake very unhappy fake app for $4 this is fake this app does nothing so apparently they've removed 1500 apps based on how many scam apps I found over the last little bit um yeah that's probably not enough uh developers who refuse to comply with Microsoft's new guidelines are getting them removed but I think they've still got a lot more work to do but they're taking steps forward so that's good they're acknowledging the problem that's all I'm giving them credit for at this point well they they're also dealing with it sort of I mean the one that the one I tested is still there so we'll see um originally posted by deliv on the Forum the original article here that he's referring to is from Hardware 360 and allegedly Microsoft will offer the Windows 9 upgrade either free or for $20 so Microsoft will also have an awesome offer for Windows XP users to be clear that price is for Windows 8.1 users another tidbit is that the Enterprise Windows 9 is rumored to be completely metr free so Metro is the modern UI you know this one yay I can scroll back and forth except I don't want to do that okay um so cheap Windows upgrade offers aren't unprecedented they have done this kind of thing before the Windows store not the Windows phone store maybe uh I believe they are actually integrating them uh moving forward so I'm not sure I think there's some stuff that's in both or whatever the case may be either way they have to address both of them they need to acknowledge the problem everywhere uh you guys should put sponsors below the stream actually that's not a bad idea we probably should do that at some point all right well I think that pretty much wraps it up for the show today although I have one more straw poll for you guys before we go I'm just going to create it I'm going to put poor edel on the spot what did you think of edel's guest co-host spot all right let's come up with some options here I think it got better towards the end 10 out of 10 amazing would uh would love to have him again okay let's go with five out of 10 uh got better towards the end and one out of 10 very why you doing it out of 10 if there's if there are only three options and zero out of 10 L okay well so basically basically I'm setting you up for I'm setting you up for failure here and I'm also saving you from potentially their devastating negative feedback because you know they're going to go with zero out of 10 just for the lws I've gotten used to negative feedback yeah we all have do you really just Spam it like that yeah that way everyone sees it edzel is too autistic Ed is too autistic wow wow speaking of getting used to all the negative feedback autism actually isn't a thing anymore apparently it's been just brought back into the uh oh no I'm thinking Asbergers you're thinking asers yeah as autism is definitely a thing yeah that's definitely a thing I think Asbergers has been brought back under the autism umbrella yeah lus screen share 10 out of 10 amazing would love to have him again has half of the votes with 21% of the votes being five out of 10 got better towards the end oh there's a fair bit of zero out of 10 LW and 9% say one out of 10 very unfortunate that Luke isn't here so it actually looks like the reaction to uh to your co-hosting job today has been pretty darn positive so good job uh thank you everyone for tuning to the W show huge thanks to our sponsors 54 Club as well as hyperx make sure you try out 54 Club that's uh bit. lee/ FFC I think there we go and you get $10 in your first package yes they slip $10 into your package as well as hyperx check out their YouTube channel youtube.com/ Kingson hyperx for some great gaming content thanks for tuning in guys and we'll see you again next week I need a laptop yeah you really need a laptop that that hurt you big time being able to see the topics and like you could say like yeah I just forget how good that looks I know I love this thing I did a good job with that oh should we uh should we show them the uh the vinyl stickers oh yeah okay okay very short very short after party here we're going to we're going to go get are you going to grab them yeah okay I'll grab these ones if you want to grab at least one from the other room so we got these awesome ah don't break please we got these awesome vinyl stickers for the walls here uh this has a paper covering over the top of it so that's why it looks so faded but it's like um I don't even remember what color it is is this a is this white an orange are you sure I think so no it's like a gray it's like an off-white oh it is white no it's white it's white so it's a white and orange Linus Tech tips that we have for one of the walls and then uh also did up yeah baby when stealth logo so we're going to put that on one of the walls in the office and finally yeah bro fist can they see it yep sweet there you go um I actually have uh we've put up one actually here do you want to take roist and W stealth away before they get damaged it's not faded it just has like a sheet of paper yeah there's a paper covering over it to keep the multiple pieces in place here I'm uh I got them together there we go um actually I have uh an example of what they're going to look like on the wall so check this out you guys it's freaking awesome I think so anyway so this is a sneak preview of what the whole room water cooling setup looks like so far if my uh if my stupid Dropbox would automatically upload okay or we could just go to edel's Twitter uh or we could go to edel's Twitter do you have a shot of the deal and the uh and the piping and the systems in from just now I have like a bunch of features uh okay you try to do that while I try to do this and whoever does it first is a winner okay um so I'm like mailing to myself because Apple's I took the picture on my iPhone Apple's thing is like ah boom super Broken Oh this is your Panorama oh okay yeah that should be good okay oh you broke it actually I might like my shot better no I'm opening my picture okay I'll show this one first okay so there we go uh do you want to just get rid of us okay so that's a panorama shot of the office um basically you can see this is edel's workstation Brandon's workstation here's the copper piping coming down for each of the systems this one's going to be for um the potential new employee who I'm going to hear back from this weekend this is for taran's workstation this is an extra this is for my workstation and here are the vinyl decal on the wall and then here I'm just going to switch back to this so that I can go into my email without oh I just heard from Chris from NC NC challenges lonus Tech tips to Mario Kart they watching I guess we should have known that was coming can I be on their team no what do you think this is you're going to abandon us in our hour of need they're better wow wow it's not it this is about family this is not well okay if we want to talk about family I do game with them pretty much every night uhhuh with uh voice chant all versus just working over here yeah so someone says I should fire edel actually no one said that that was just what I was thinking oh I can't even believe you anyway so this is uh this is a not panorama shot which I personally find a little bit easier to digest cuz I'm old of uh this is teran's water cooled system right here oh you took that like recently this is the extra uh here's my machine over in the corner running off of this one and then we've got bro fist and when stealth sort of centered look at much extra space whatever uh sort of centered on the wall in there so yeah love it those pipes look sketchy what looks sketchy about them oh maybe that's stuff oh that's just a that's a label yeah it's no big deal these are copper pipes that were soldered by Luke's dads so need to be painted needs to be painted I don't want to paint them I like the copper Co yeah we have um like can we polish it somehow yes okay uh Luke's dad gave us this um this stuff that we can use to polish it quite quickly and then we're planning to paint uh a varnish layer over the top so that they really shine I'm uh I'm super stoked going to look awesome all right guys thanks for watching peace out see you next week\n"