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As we wrapped up our conversation with Apple Intelligence and took a moment to breathe, I couldn't help but feel a sense of excitement and anticipation for the upcoming episodes. With so much to talk about, including the new features and updates coming to iOS 18, it's hard not to get caught up in the enthusiasm.

We've already discussed some of the new features, including the customizable dark mode icons, filtered icons with colors, and the ability to remove app and widget labels by turning on the large icon mode. This is a huge step forward in customization, and I couldn't agree more when Andrew said that everything in iOS is now about customization. From the photos app to the Safari browser, every part of the new iOS UI is designed to be customizable by the user.

Speaking of which, we touched on some of the newer features like Tapback reactions with colored Emoji, text wrapping, and effects in the Messages app. And let's not forget about Pages, which has received a major update with new features like Reader Mode. It's clear that Apple is listening to user feedback and is committed to delivering an iOS experience that meets everyone's needs.

One of the things I'm most looking forward to discussing in more detail is the new Photos app, which now allows users to customize every aspect of their photo experience. No longer will you have to settle for a generic photos UI; with iOS 18, you can make your photos experience truly unique and personalized.

Of course, no discussion of iOS 18 would be complete without mentioning Apple's take on focus modes. With the ability to customize what filter or icons are used per Focus, this is a feature that I think we'll see more of in the future. And while we didn't have time to discuss it today, we will definitely be diving deeper into focus modes and other iOS 18 features next week.

In addition to these exciting updates, we also touched on some of the newer Control Center features, which now allow users to fully customize their experience with multiple pages and a drag-and-drop interface. This is a game-changer for those who want more control over their home screen and notification center.

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As we wrap up this episode of Apple Insider, I want to leave you with a sense of excitement and anticipation for what's to come. With iOS 18 on the horizon, we can't wait to dive deeper into all the new features and updates that Apple has in store for us. Thanks for tuning in, and we'll catch you again next week!

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello welcome to the Apple Insider podcast I'm William Gallagher our sponsor this week is fast M more about that later and joining me in a week with a no news at all really is Wesley hilard Wes let's to it let's go straight to it you said you would be all in on every beta as soon as it released did you do it uh I forgot my Mac existed so it's still running somoma but everything else I have something on a beta anyway I don't have all my TVs and homepods on beta yet just just one of them but getting there right you forgot the mac I sometimes I don't know why I talk to you but all right all right so w has done the beta route I'm going to admit that I've I've accidentally done one one and a half and and of course you know this is exactly the opposite of what we have said to you what everyone says to you what you know in your heart hearts that you should never install a betas but since we didn't even seem to manage to convince ourselves this week's our bonus for paid subscribers app inside of plus it's all about the Dark Side of beaters when beaters go wrong and I will tell you now it is not pretty whereas actually uh iOS 18 iPad OS 18 Mac OS Sequoia uh they definitely are very pretty the only thing is right at the moment maybe that's all they are I mean where's where where the beaters are here where is Apple intelligence why can't I get Siri to do that nice thing around the borders on the iPhone what are they doing to me I believe that's called an alpha um Apple still has an internal right now it it will actually be beta when it launches this fall um Apple made that very clear that these are going to be beta features kind of like how Persona is still in um beta on Apple Vision Pro even though it's been part of the launch since February um Apple intelligence will be launching in beta but uh it seem I keep hearing from different places and I think it was kind of hinted at during the keynote the tools will appear in the developer betas during the summer so we can expect those sometime in July uh I expect the beta testers will have access to them but once it launches in September it's going to be a slow roll out they're going to do it almost by person uh to get a a random roll out going I guess to uh slowly ramp server load on Apple's end uh not to mention chat gpts uh on the other side of thing so uh that actually probably won't even come with apple intelligence like this is going to be a step-by-step roll out we'll probably get uh Apple intelligence beta when this releases in September it'll be there day one but very few people will have it I mean you have to have an iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max to get it anyway on the iPhone and then I would say 18.1 we'll see the chat GPT functionality added and then again it's just who what when and how um but we'll see we'll get into that in the main show now you've said it I actually remember that Siri itself was in listed as in beta for a long time I can't remember how long but I didn't realize personas ever was in Beach I obviously missed that bit so we're what four months into the Beta process for that have they just forgotten to take the beta label off or is it actually changing well it's definitely updating every time I I haven't oh so I just checked the settings menu as we're talking I'm wearing my Vision Pro and uh it says Persona beta still so even in Vision OS 2 um it is technically a beta but the um the it is improving every Le of vision OS so far has improved personas uh in some way well how about this then let's talk about Vision OS because this is the first time I remember taking a Gamble and upgrading to Beta and finding I'm not disappointed by it but um there seems to be comparatively few of the things that we were told about on the iPhone that are there ready to use I mean there some nice things I'm enjoying it uh what's it like with apple Vision Pro because I keep hearing that um I mean I saw the keynote just like everybody else did Apple said a few nice things and there's a suggestion that Apple may have even downplayed it a bit that there's more little tuck and folds that are particularly good are you getting those do you like are they Apple's running into a keynote problem um where first off they give everyone WWDC is this date and time be there you're going to learn about all the new platform updates and then they do it and now we're at six operating systems that they're trying to stuff into Le less than 2 hours because the last half hour I believe was all Apple intelligence so we're we're getting minutes with some of these operating systems tvos was a sentence so um what are they what are they are they doing themselves a disservice by trying to stuff it all into one conference should they be holding you know smaller events for each operating system or and then release a video for home and TV right like I I'm just not sure this this format is going to be able to fit everything they want or uh people need to understand there's so much more information outside of the keynote I I think a lot a lot of Apple Fans do kind of just stop at the keynote and then we're over here learning from State of the Union and the sessions how much there is these interviews that the executives have been doing have all eak out little details here and there so every oper operating system actually got their line share of updates except for maybe iPad OS but um the vision OS actually yes has quite a bit going on with it Beyond just the couple of uh tent pole features that we saw during the keynote well just start there for a second I think to be fair Apple has five and a half platforms I'm not sure you can ever call tvos full one yet the mature platform there's nothing else to add to it what do you what do you add to a TV platform unless you redesign it and we've seen that happen a couple of times but again they got a couple things in TVs we we'll jump to that soon but Vision OS uh it's a good one I I heard um I believe it was Mike Hurley uh say that this is like a vision OS 1.5 the only reason why it's 2.0 is because it they it goes with the Cadence of the rest of the operating systems it's only been 4 months on the public market what are they really going to address what are they going to do but what they have done is nice it's it's a lot of quality of life stuff uh one of the most significant things you'll notice is hand tracking and I is now done at 90 Herz which is with the refresh rator to display so objects moving with your hands is going to appear much more natural there's a lot there's a lot of UI stuff that's going to feel a lot nicer now this's the thing I saw about um the magic keyboard that you'll be able to see it and I wasn't sure whether that meant a virtual magic keyboard replacing that what looks to me like a horrible one or just it kind of breaks through the um environment is that there and is it good they're just cutting a hole in the environment right yeah and I haven't I haven't tried it I have a magic keyboard on my it's actually just on a shelf I have a black extended keyboard next to your Mac disregarded forgot a different shelf but oh well there you go even more disregarded it has a bit of dust on it um I like mechanical keyboards but I do pull it out every now and then to test it with the Vision Pro because of that exclusive feature set I I I think I'm going to eventually get a hold of some of the newer keyboards just from Apple just to try these things because it's annoying that it's limited to magic keyboard at least for now we'll see if they open that up a little bit but yes it's uh doing a carve out specifically because before we knew uh where the keyboard was the text uh Corrections and suggestions bar would appear above the keyboard as if it was anchored and now we're going to just erase the area around it so here I am in uh Bora abora and there would be a magic keyboard in the sand kind of just sticking out a little bit uh if I had one turned on I have not one's thin clue where Bora Bora is I just remember it mentioned in films long ago but um are you a touch typist yes I don't need to see it right I actually I actually can like the the little Nubs on the keys right that tell you where your home row is as long as I can find those I can type the F and the J Keys yes okay so not a massive Improvement for you but for people there's got to be a line somewhere because it looked to me like the uh the virtual keyboard had to be hunt and Peck there was no way to actually type words with your hands in the middle of the air so it's got to be better than that but not full ontouch typing okay so options there okay that I had to pull up an a map so to find Bora Bora by the way uh because it's it's uh it's literally the middle of nowhere I had I had a feeling it was a Pacific Island I Just where it is isolated and by itself I feel like it's one of those things where if we didn't have satellites we wouldn't even know it was there you'd have to like accidentally just run into it one day it is literally the middle of the ocean um like if you're standing in Los Angeles and you're looking at Australia draw a line between those two and it's somewhere in there that's it it's just this big open plane around it of of water uh but it looks like a beautiful paradise we got some palm trees some lovely sand waves your voice is turning into a travel log thing I love the fact that you were able to just look it up cuz you're wearing the headset just yeah let's have a quick glance over there and look at maps and I'm how did you type Bora Bora or did it just not did you look at the letters b o i can't spell Bora Bora I've gotten to um where I touch the keys so you can press the keys by literally physically hitting them in the air uh yeah you don't get any feedback uh maybe we need an apple ring for that but um you you can press the keys and that's what I do is I just press each key one at a time if I'm in a rush maybe I'll do the the pinch look pinch look pinch but that one just feels more unnatural and I don't know I know where the keys are I guess but it's says that you use that for looking up something on Apple Maps or maybe in Safari or something for actual writing you use a real ke oh yes uh right now like my bluet like um I have my Mac in my uh Vision Pro right now because I'm recording from it so the keyboard mouse is uh attached and I could use the keyboard but I'm also rotated about 100 not maybe 90 Dees away from the keyboard right now facing my microphone I could have brought the keyboard with me but it's not necessary for the recording the podcast but uh yeah it's it's all it's all one thing what I need William is one of those like evil layer chairs with the little foldy tray in the front where I can just sit in the middle of the room and spin around in circles but have the keyboard in front of me at all times that's what I need okay I'm picturing you stroking a white cat as you do this eily I think you're making this furniture up but we should have it um you're saying that though Put Me In Mind of something I am now in the position where very soon the Apple Vision Pro will at last be available where I am here in the UK and I am very torn uh the weight of that amount of money is likely to push me away from it but one thing in the keynote I thought was really compelling was uh if you have somebody using their Mac like you are but wrapped around with it um I'd actually thought that's what you got with Vision Pro but apparently not you get more of your 20 foot display into uh Your Vision Pro now William you don't have to abandon your large wide monitor anymore yay okay I got to say it's very difficult to clean that void monitor if you get to one end it time to start cleaning the other and that would be gone now I could just use Vision Pro okay think of the hours saved it's a bit of a trick um because it is basically two 4K monitors stacked side by side but in a 3D space with no borders uh fiated rendering which is actually performed on the Mac which is really clever to take some of the workload off of The Vision Pro uh but the the fiated rendering basically makes it so when whatever part of the display you're looking at is always sharp 4K resolution and the rest of it's just nonsense um that that actually makes it work so much better because you can't see what you can't see and the rest of it's going to be just like I said just pixelated blurry mess uh if you can trick the system and let you see it it it would be um just sometimes uh if things slow down a little bit you can catch it but yeah that it makes sense why this works and I'm glad they did it this way they weren't ever going to do two monitors because then you'd have to do 3D spatial uh positioning and move the mouse cursor between 3D monitors it just it would get messy I think having one continuous display makes the most sense and it's not a feature I'm going to use cuz I don't I just don't really spend any time on the Mac but I'm glad that it's there but I did find out one key tidbit so we learned in Mac OS as we get to that in just a moment um that you can bring your iPhone display into the Mac but apple has a limitation you can have only one continuity view active at a time so you cannot wear the Vision Pro with the Mac inside of it with an iPhone the Mac you cannot make a iPhone to turducken it doesn't work that way okay now um okay you use that I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce it I'm when you put it that way I'm glad but I had turkey a duck and a chicken and you stuff each of the smaller birds into the larger bird It's A TRU yeah I'm trying to get away from that mental image but um I had no clue that that was thing I suppose it makes sense um does it I mean how much Apple stuff can you shove in your face in one go but I'm oddly slightly disappointed well actually I mentioned earlier I will'll talk about beas properly and aider plus but I said I'd accidentally done things I did in intentionally deliberately install Mac OS Sequoia because I'm supposed to be writing about it but one of the things I thought I would have to write about have to is the wrong word want to write about is this iPhone mirroring thing and doubtlessly that's not going to work without iOS 18 on the phone so I took the risk I took the Gamble and it did not pay off because that feature isn't there yet at all I I could have read Apple Insider bit more closely than I did and found that out uh but well let's uh move on from Vision OS because uh we have a lot to talk about but I just want to say there's there's a lot here uh go check out our roundups on Apple Insider um we'll have plenty of time to dig into this later uh expect I I I expect after a couple of betas I'm going to do an updated review of The Vision Pro uh so let's tease that out a little bit but um this does change a couple of things but it still doesn't address a lot of my primary concerns but the Vision Pro I think is fine there's there's just to conclude this C there is some concern that because Apple didn't bring Apple uh intelligence to Vision Pro right away and the The Limited update set that there's now been a de emphasis on Vision Pro and they've given up on it I just want to clarify here that's not the case uh first of all the updates and the apis on the developer side of things are quite extensive um the new gesture to get to control center is amazing uh looking at your hand to open the home view love it like all of that is really great I love that we're seeing such clever Innovations already only a couple months into this being live on the market so it's a good forward trajectory and apple intelligence guys don't worry it is coming to Vision Pro they didn't deliberately leave it out because it's not coming it is just not prioritized so we could actually see it on Vision Pro this year during that roll out I mentioned earlier where they're going to do it piece by piece system by System um so Vision Pro could actually be added in at a later date we don't have to wait for vision os3 for that to happen so uh we just have to be a little bit more patient as Apple gets their ducks in a row their tur duckin in a row and uh as we move on to um let's just stop stop there in a second because the reason I was surprised it wasn't in Vision Pro is it seems to me they've packed everything into Siri really I mean that isn't true but a lot of it is in Siri and stuff like that and Siri seems to be a big deal in Vision Pro it's a way of communicating a lot of commands inste of typing um Siri and apple intelligence I think the first thing to say is you did call it you've been calling it Apple intelligence for quite a while now haven't you uh so can we basically blame you no I think you put it in the air it floated around and now we've all got to deal with it although I'm really surprised to say up to the moment of the keynote I was thinking please don't call it that please and then they did and I'm possibly because I've written it out 70 times since I'm I'm I'm kind of used to it so do you remember when uh this might be before your time with it is before your time with Mac um there used to be power books and I love that name and then Steve Jobs said no they're going to be MacBooks and that seemed like such an ugly uh portmanto word but now I crave my MacBook Pro and things we can get used to anything can't we so they could have called it William intelligence and we'd have got used to it if eventually maybe me faster than others perhaps uh perhaps we should since Let's ignore Apple's order of the keynote because we got Vision OS out of the way and it doesn't have apple intelligence right now but perhaps we should get apple intelligence done first because I think that's what people want to hear about the most and it it touches every other operating system in some way besides uh topos so in some ways actually I was I mean I wasn't surprised that they did it at the end but the fact that it is so everything is so imbued into it P me was thinking how did they manage to find anything to talk about until they talked about Apple intelligence so yeah there is a reason for the order of the keynote William did you figure it out drama of course uh the suspense no umti part maybe partially but there is a reason um and it is because Apple intelligence is limited to iPhones with the a17 pro processor or newer uh we could see I I I expect the iPhone 16 base models will have the powerful neural engine just so it can run Apple intelligence because I don't think Apple's going to exclude standard users it's just um they John G Andrea actually explained this really well um the iPhone 17 Pro just happened it's not the first one with a neural engine it's just the first one with a powerful enough neural engine to to do this and if if anyone wanted to know why Apple waited to get into AI until now it's because this is the moment they were waiting for they needed uh a chip powerful enough on iPhone to run the models locally in the way that they wanted it that they were satisfied with and everything before that was it he even made the clarification technically speaking these models could run on older iPhones it would just be so much take so much more time that it would stop feeling like magic and start feeling like a hassle so that's why it's gated to this chipset it is the first one that could actually achieve it and as we move into a 18 and a18 Pro or perhaps the a17 on iPhone 16 we'll see what they do this year um we're going to see the neural that big neural engine on more devices so um as Apple announces the new iPhones early September I think they're going to Pi make it a huge deal that every iPhone 16 can use apple intelligence and that's going to be a market driver but that's not what we're here to talk about William we're here to talk about the actual devices so by the way it's M series chips on Mac and iPad so iPad Air iPad Pro and any Mac with the M series chip um can run Apple intelligence as well so basically not Intel is what we're saying here that's the secret here this may be the end int for Intel this Ma sequa I believe will be the last one for Intel machines I wondered if it would in get any support this time around too but they have they've hung on in there so a good Apple I suppose but let's not give Intel uses Apple intelligence God no so William uh I want you to explain to mean the best of your knowledge Apple intelligence versus chat GPT what we're what we're talking about here because there seems to be some confusion over what's happened there's some headlines going around that suggesting that chat GPT is now powering the iPhone is that is that true well I on told me that personally yes so it must be true yeah okay let's not go down that yeah I can hear people deleting the podcast right now yeah okay you're not one of them though right anyway um I found it very clear when they were explaining Apple intellig does everything except the bits it can't and then there's some determination that you could get a better answer from chat gbt and then it offers to send it away to it I I'll offer I'll offer even better cuz I I believe that even that's kind of uh mischaracterized um so Apple intelligence is a group of Apple models it's not it it is a it is a large okay so let's start over there is a God model I guess that Apple bases everything off of but what is happening on the iPhone is a series of smaller models that are specifically trained for each function you have the riding tools model you have the the image generation model and uh each of these are small enough and uh specific enough that they're able to run without you know needing to be bloated by things they don't need access to and each of these models on device are very efficient they're not going to you know take a lot of power to run Apple silicon's really good at this uh but then they scale upwards to the most extreme versions of the model that can run on device now I I can't remember the exact measurements but but the models on Apple servers using Apple Cloud comput are about double the size starting uh of the models on the iPhone and then they get bigger from there um so it's not that there's a gating factor with the power of the neural engine it's just a gating factor of what do we want to accomplish on the phone versus the server so it's a limitation set based on task not like memory limits uh basically and when you need to do something that is server side the information is passed in a way that is private it's all private on that end Apple can't even see your requests they can't even see the responses they gave you it's all in to end as usual by Apple privacy security and they're not even training the base model on what you ask that's one of the things people wondered everything you do with apple intelligence is private the model doesn't learn from you and that's what's very key here um so any image you give any text you give any file you give to Apple intelligence is not being used to train the database it is not a feedback loop but anyway um the models on the server side of course have a little bit more access to more data more information but it's still personalized to you Apple's models are personal intelligence models meaning it only derives the data based on what it knows about the user and the user's environment and the reason why it might need to go server side is to do more intensive calculations for specific tasks not to go and ask Wikipedia about what a goldfish is right now if you do need that kind of information there's a separate Branch here and that is chat GPT and other llms chat GPT happens to be first but Gemini and others will come later and will plug into this system and what that means is if you are using the writing tools the image uh maybe not even the image General generator but the writing tools or Siri and other components of Apple intelligence and it needs World Knowledge and that's what's Apple Apple is calling it if it needs World Knowledge like events places history you can pull chat GPT which has World Knowledge but in order to do so you have to give it permission every time and it will warn you what you're about to tell it your query your file your image what have you and then you have to say yes send this to chat GPT and this is the best part chat GPT is legally Bound by law to throw everything away chat GPT cannot use your prompts your files or any of your information to train its data they don't have access to it it all gets thrown away and there's no IP or personal information attached to it and it's all free for all iPhone users so did any of that help the uh yeah except it's definitely with what's in it for chat GPT I mean I've heard a story that it's they're not being paid no one's um okay what are they like writers or something it's just this isn't the usual model for corporations I did find it ironic that um chat GPT scraped all the artists of the internet for information and artists are generally asked to be paid in exposure because they'll get more popular and get more views and now we're apple is paying chat GPT and exposure and I find that very funny we had a leak in my office office uh recently and I said to the plumber I'll mention you on the Apple inside of podcast if you'll give us some money off you for some reason he did not go for it so that's the only reason I'm not mentoring Menor mentioning mentioning the name of a and giving his phone number in the Apple in the notes um okay exposure they're playing the long game William so basically and this is probably why Google wasn't uh first up not only is it a competitor but um Apple does have its own llm let's get let's make that clear from the top Apple intelligence is its own large language model not a baby model it is a chat GPT competitor it is its own large database trained on information some of it licensed Apple paid for images for the image generator uh they didn't scrape images to train that presumably uh the text editor of course trained on professional documents but uh they paid for but we're finding out um Apple Bot which has existed since about 2015 has been using public data to train um the model as well which is going to get into a whole different discussion we can have later William about um your rights to your own property and what it means to post something to the internet and how these companies have been going about this and apple doing the right thing on one side of the coin but then doing what everyone else is doing which is presumably the wrong thing on the other side of the coin so this is all there's there's so much to talk about we could do a whole podcast on Apple intelligence but we do need to get to the other operating systems uh what I'm glad you're saying that because this is getting miserable I think what stands out to you um the the features of the iPhone actually I am more a Mac man than I am an iPad or iPhone man although that is kind of chuffles around a bit uh the Mac is always the thing I want to know about but these days is also the thing I expect will get the least apart from tvos uh so this time out um inside baseball you don't need to know this but while the keynote was talking about Apple watch I was busy writing up uh something else for Apple inside about the keynote so I missed all of the Apple watch stuff and from what I've read since it doesn't feel like I missed a great deal at all and Safari has so little in it this time so little you I mean good but little that they basically also told you about things it added before so it all came down to me to that the newest things in terms of what we will use and what's in the beaders with the iPhone such as I mean I know sound silly but just the rearrangement of the apps you talked about this before and I thought I have no interest but what have I done since it came out I've made one page that has say one Thin row of icons and for some reason I really like it that so that's it the icons of the apps stood out for me in the whole keyot please tell me you had something a bit more profound well I mean what stood out for you in apple intelligence specifically is there any feature there yeah you're fine are you is there any feature there you're going to use that you think is going to be important is it going to replace any tools you already have uh short answer no um Craig federi did that thing of um saying you can change your text to uh friendlier or more professional well I know when I start who I'm writing it for so I'm never going to change my mind and use that uh I also just I I'm quite happy if it takes me an hour to write an email I'm fine with that because it's important to me and I'm advertising my writing I suppose as a writer so none of those tools would do I'm certainly not going to do the thing and make up a story uh I've seen but I think you disagree yeah well I've SE I've seen a couple of people talk about this uh chalk and Berry uh over at um what gosh the Twitter Ric company uh the icon Factory yes so he's he's actually brought this up a couple times and I and I agree with him uh it seems like the people who want to use AI tools the most are the ones who hate creation the most meaning some some people actually enjoy the process of the hard work of writing or drawing something um Apple actually made this really clear and there's there's so so many places you can go to just go watch all all the interviews go the talk show live was magnificent I watched that in my vision Pro uh they did a a spatial live stream of it which was cool um it succeeded it was in HD so it was but it it succeeded um and it it was fine it was enjoyable felt like I was in a theater I wish that theater wasn't empty but that's a different story uh but yeah it was it was cool and I I enjoyed that interview go go that one's the one to go to but also check out Tim Cook and MKBHD talking about this stuff there's so much information but one of the things that I was I enjoyed as Apple's approach to Ai and it was first of all this isn't going to spit out an essay for you right this isn't a chatbot there isn't really a text interface except for maybe the image generator and even then it's not a real text interface you kind of have guidelines you can provide it you can't generate real human photos um they're only animated or handdrawn uh so they're always meant to be cartoony um Hallmark cards that look awful um and the reasoning behind this is if you need those tools go use them that's part of the chat GPT integration is Apple isn't trying to be all the things they're trying to be useful things and the useful things that they gave us one thing I'm going to be using is the grammar check you can check for uh it they have a proofread function so I I no longer need grammarly which is $150 a year to give me bad AI model recommendations on my grammar uh to be fair grammarly was good a couple years ago but ever since they decided to start doing this AI stuff it's gotten worse and worse and started giving nonsensical recommendations so hang on a second there um you've gone off grammarly because it's become AI dependent but you feel you won't need to use it because it's an AI dependent because Apple's AI will be functionally better and and here's why because it doesn't so Apple's actually Tim Cooks made it clear he will not say apple intelligence is 100% Pro uh unable to hallucinate there is always the chance but they've gone through every thing they can to ensure that it is accurate information and there is a feedback system for users if you find something wonky but what's important is the data sets are small they're local it's a specific model for proofreading and the problem is is stuff like grammarly are just creating these functional GPT models that um are trained on a bunch of grammar stuff from across but the data set's so wide and so varied that it starts getting garbage in and it starts getting this feedback loop because it's training on its own model and and people using bad recommendations from grammarly are reinforcing the bad recommendations whereas Apple's model is actually probably just a grammar book I don't know dictionary thing uh with a bunch of useful information and my poor judge isn't going to tell it to give me more poor judgment it's always going to be a model based on actual grammar knowledge that is the separation there so how so basically Apple's bought the Chicago Manual of style or whatever it is but what about the fact that um there are Apple intelligence apis I assume grammarly can plug into this at some point uh point if it's going to do the same thing no that's I think that's the point that I'm trying to make here um that maybe I'm doing a poor job of it is Apple's intelligence Frameworks are set in stone the only way they change is Apple goes in and physically updates the base Frameworks the knowledge database isn't getting trained on user input there's no chance for random garbage to get in it's not getting trained off of Reddit or other Che like the problem with a lot of these uh models is they're getting trained on their own outputs now because there's so much of their own output on the web they're soaking it in Apple's created a system where that's not going to happen and that's that's really smart I'm just thinking of it from the grammar League company's point of view you don't want them to go out of business plent of people like grammarly are there things they can do there is this API route maybe there's an opportunity no I don't mean for grammarly to go out of business I my tool set needs for grammarly are minimal so I only really need the proofread function so this is this goes back to needs if you need a much more advanced database of things that you're storing in grammarly and needing access to and tweaking with the tools and there's so much more grammarly can do of course go pay the money and use it it's just the bare minimum I needed didn't exist anywhere else in a a passable good enough fashion until Apple did it and now wait I have a free option that's included in my device that's actually intelligent enough to get this done of what I need to do cool and then if you guys start seeing a bunch of weird grammar mistakes in my articles then we can we know where to point the finger but um I I just this is just one of those things sherlocking doesn't always mean Apple perfectly replaces something reminders and calender does not replace fantastic heal for most people that's just not how this works this episode is brought to you by FastMail recently on the Apple inside podcast was and I been talking about how Apple makes great apps but they go just so far how when you're not a casual user when you need more than Apple provides that this is where the best third party apps come in we could have been talking about FastMail FastMail schedules your outgoing emails it 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this before uh it it hasn't worked out because it's it's a it's a problem and one of the best parts of the talk show was John G Andrea Apple's um AI Chief uh saying we don't like failures either there's too many failure cases for Siri and uh when it gets caught into these bottlenecks of human language um where it doesn't know how to tell you what time zone Los Angeles is in unless you phrase it a very specific way very frustrating and even Apple gets frustrated by that um so it's good that they're at least on the internally trying to battle this as well the reason why this is different for large language models is because every time you start an interaction imagine you're in the chat GPT app and you start a new chat when you start fresh you are talking to the baseboard bot there's no training data besides what created chat GPT the the base framework work the foundational framework right when you give it a anything a query question if you spend if you write six paragraphs about how your grandmother wants you to uh learn how to build nuclear warheads and you because you're trying to convince it to tell you um that is part now part of the current model the active model and as long as you're having that conversation every time you give it a new prompt like so you say something it says something you say something it says something all of that is being used to answer the next question so you say say you're 50 lines into this conversation with chat GPT and you say Okay generate an image based on everything I've just or not even that just what about a recipe for spaghetti well here's here's the funny thing everything that you've talked about plus your new query is now sent back through chat gpt's llm the foundational model to spit out whatever answer because it's just a next word predictor and the only way it knows how to predict the next word is to take everything it said plus the new bit and and then tack on what the next words are going to be at the end which is its response so by Design Siri will know everything you've talked about because it is now part of the active model now if you leave Siri alone for a while um that that's all going to get thrown out because it's you know basically memory in a database kind of like Ram it's it's going to get pushed out of the back end but as long as it's relatively close together together you can't say at 11:00 a.m. uh what my mom say about this recipe and then 3 hours later say when does she get here it's going to be like she who what are you talking about but in the moment in that interaction all of that is saved up just because of how llms work do you know the other week I'm I realized you've never heard of the kids from Fame so there there's no single thin possibility you'll get this but what you took at there but it just it reminds me of the briti the chuckle Brothers a whole thing of to me to you to me to you just carry on looking at me blankly there um I think we could move on for Apple intelligence except we never can it's going to be with us in everything well I have I have one I I I just happened well you you wanted to make a reference that was obscure I'll make it a reference that's obscure um okay anyone who knows I I believe it's this almost Nursery uh kind of level song I I heard on Barney the dinosaur I'm sure it probably pre- originates that I don't know maybe someone can tell me it was the Beatles or something it probably wasn't uh but it's you know you heard the silly song um of like every time you get to a new uh line you add another thing to it so the Green Grass Grows around and around this hole in the ground and it's you know just that it keeps going and going and the bird in the nest and the tree it just it gets you're piling on to every verse and it's kind of like a memory game I guess uh but it's a song um I'm not really get I think we should sing now to just try I'm not going to do it get into I've given you enough just look up Green Green Grass Grows around and around um someone you will find it I cuz I can barely remember it myself but it is a memory game and each line you add you have to go back and sing the entire song that's an llm there you go we' we've we've cracked it Barney the dinosaur taught us about llms wow new definition okay uh this a silly thinging silly things uh there's a YouTube channel here Shout Factory it has lots of classic things at the moment they are constantly live streaming Rec is it live streaming and it's recording they are playing out live episodes of Alf in French German Japanese all of these things and every now and again I'll find one and just put it on until my wife notices what in the world I'm watching what a world we live in but um let's be sensible here let's let's uh one of the things I thought up you can't you can't you're not going to distract me again with something sillier can you top only the dinosaur and the Chuck Brothers no no I was going to say let's work at this backwards if you're going to make a point go ahead well it's always a point one of the things I think of whenever I know I'm going to talk to you is I kind of stock up an iPad questions I might have and coming away from the keynote I didn't have that many questions I had a kind of sense that not a lot is going on but actually I last week you mentioned that you were on another podcast the iPad Pros one and I said I was going off to listen to that after the show so I went off to listen to after the show and you actually shocked me in that when you mentioned how if you take an iPad and you plug it into an external monitor what you see in that external monitor must be stage manager that I thought that was a poing because I don't like stage manager um it's absolutely no way around it not even in iPad I mean you can make your iPad the old multitasking uh split view and stuff but um the monitor it has to be stage manager by function that's the only way it works wow okay that genuinely put me off plugging into an external monitor but all right um what did you take away from iPad OS 18 cuz you are iPad Guy new features that are unique to the system and that is handwriting recognition with math notes and the new side sidebar to Top Bar customization so uh let's get that one out of the way first because it's the most boring one there's a top bar in some iPad apps um that appear here if you put hide the sidebar you can now drag things from the sidebar to the top bar to customize that that's it that's the update um yeah uh so Apple TV if you want to put crunchy roll on the top bar great go for it um files app if you want to put a specific file system to the top great go ahead uh you see that sounds useful to me I got that I like that but dull okay it's a very small quality of life update that it it does what it says on the 10 good job Apple but yeah very small um but then the the big one the only real update to iPad OS uh besides what we got with iOS and apple intelligence is um math notes and Rec handwriting recognition so these two things kind of go hand inand because um you can use your apple pencil to handw write and it will learn your handwriting within about two paragraphs of you're writing and it you can use autoc correct to to correct a misspelling and it will correct it in your handwriting style which is really cool uh just so many cool ways this this works um you can convert it to text and all that stuff I love it I hope that this is the reason why we didn't get Journal yet and we get a journal update for iPad that allows us to handw write into Journal which would be really something um oh and then math notes allows you to use these same skills to write numbers and equations and it you know corrects it into prettier versions of your handwriting basically just straightening it out it's still your handwriting but it's more legible and then you can add equal signs or underlines to do various notations and it gives you the answer right away in your handwriting again and uh graphical representations you can edit how the graphs appear by writing in different uh things like it's all very smart um and it completely destroys the need for solver I guess uh that one was a a real Sherlock this time it it completely replaces the need for some of these calculators but I will say uh in James Thompson's defense pacal is still the better calculator app you know outside of math notes uh there are there's a very solid chance that people will still be using pacal because Apple's calculator is otherwise very basic but what it's worth I'm still using PE Coke in fact actually I was I was swiping through my uh new home screens and I was genuinely surprised to find the calculator app there Apple's one because I must have removed it years ago so I have gone into it I did play with it but I it hasn't replaced peal yet um I realized I I think actually there are times app uses this word magical and it shouldn't but there are times when it is and math actually math notes I'm mean are they going to do a translation thing and call it maths notes cuz math notes even to my British Ling it's scans better than Math's notes unless they call it Math's note just move the S around anyway that looked to me like genuinely a piece of magic uh following your handwriting particularly that just adding up a column of text because you put a line under them uh solving an equation because you wrote an equal sign that is the stuff of Science Fiction I think and yet it's so dependent on handwriting and my handwriting is so abominar bad I looked at that and I just thought yeah challeng accepted good luck help fix it a little bit yeah but you know you're starting from a very bad base here I'm not convinced well my my handwriting is similar to um that of a like child kidnapping a teddy bear and writing a in crayon on a on a note a hostage note kind of thing like you're you're fully holding the crayon in your fist and just scratching it onto the paper and giant letters that's basically my handwriting so right that way too specific there you have thought this through before I have described this before using exactly those terms yes uh but you are confident well actually no no no not confident you've actually got the beta and I understand the handwriting is there in uh iPad OS 18 at present I just I haven't risked an iPad to find out H have you risked yours and did you find out have you tried it yet um I have and I believe it's starting to learn mine I haven't spent much time with it um um but yes it it is uh my handwriting is abysmal so let's see um I'm going to attempt to send you I'm going to screenshot something in Vision OS okay and then and then send it to you through Apple notes this is how convoluted things can be sometimes in this operating system cuz you can't take a actual proper screenshot it's like a I view screenshot and then you can't C I don't know anyway I can't get a window view of an app in Vision OS but I'm going to I'm going to let you $35,000 and you can't take a screenshot I don't know there are times you sell you don't sell me on Apple Vision Pro at all I dropped that in in the middle of a word because I couldn't drop it in properly and uh it is now in the okay I am looking at it I'm seeing a nice blank picture of a mountain at the moment let's make this a visual word picture but anyway for the podcast yeah so that's moving on we we have like I said we have uh let's get through the operating very minimal um handwriting and such uh yeah if you scroll to the top of the notes um for our show notes you'll see it by the way ah got it got it right okay yes so I'll make this oh maybe I won't put this in the chapter outw a bit I see no reason to uh to embarrass you no I mean that was that was a scribble to be fair I wasn't trying but um yeah and there's a typing mistake right well we'll see it might be well um lets um we could argue that over whether it's supposed it should be let I didn't put an apost something is say so okay I am an excellent typist William but my writing is I neither grammatically nor scientifically correct so there you go okay let's find out later whether that made it into the chapter artwork or it's hidden forever because of course they have to determine if my writing is even English um yeah but the thing is as soon as they show your handwriting I feel obligated to show mine but I will surmount this obligation I will put it behind me I Will Rise Above This and we will move on to other platforms uh which one are you going to go for um so let's what I was going to suggest earlier is Let's uh hit the small ones first and then we'll finish on iOS because that's the big one so tvos um we have an update uh oh yeah screen savers yeah um I'm actually excited about this yeah yeah because I I called this a long time ago I don't know if you remember this William but I said this I this was to Steven I believe so you you you won't remember this unless you listen to the show we'll check your your uh commitment here but I said do you know how beautiful scenes and things like Foundation are where it's just where they're scanning over different environments and they're scanning over different locations and these very they have so many of these II um beautiful landscapes what if they turn that into an Apple TV screen saver and they've done that three years on from me saying that I think I don't know it was it's been a long time very happy with this I will absolutely be using the screen saver yes I'm with you that I will be looking for Silo uh artwork and all this stuff but tvos Apple did this thing of we've invented something new here that basically someone else has had for ages they added umon call it x-ray so you're watching something and you know for some reason you're not actually in the story at all you just think oh where did I see that actor before in another show work it out later but no if you must you can now scroll down uh swipe down with your Siri remote and you'll see a list of credits for that actor Apple TV plus cont yeah yeah great that's fine the number of ways to interrupt watching something it's just increasing all the time and people come away I there's this thing I think I've said this one to you before as well I remember somebody really famous on Twitter truly complaining about a TV show how idiotic it was that they hadn't told us something and they had because i' I'd actually already seen it I was i' reviewed it so I was on Twitter I was playing so I knew I knew that the moment they actually said in big letters practically with a caption precis this important thing she was tweeting about another show for it so okay up to her what she watches what she doesn't but she criticized a show for something she did and this is just drives me spare so I will never use x-ray or whatever Apple calls their version of it rant over well this feature I think is interesting um if only because it doesn't have to happen on the Apple TV um you can do it on the remote app on another device so I could have my iPad Mini in in a little stand on my coffee table connected to the remote for the Apple TV and have it just broadcast that information in a in a live stream basically of who's on the screen at that moment and I could see this coming to um outside of Apple TV plus of course they're going to launch it here they're going to have to work with partners and get permission but I see this moving outwards as long as you're in the TV app so the only person that's never going to take advantage of this is Netflix but whatever I canceled my net my subscription with them anyway cuz I'm getting tired of having to leave the TV plus the TV app to do anything and they were the one outlier for that but um I expect this will get to other platforms later um as long as you're in the TV app it's going to work kind of thing and uh I I don't know I like it me and my girlfriend will be watching something and um we do talk sometimes uh and say hey the actor do you recognize them or that voice actor because we'll be watching anime or something we'll be like hey they did this voice before uh and show like pull up call sheet Casey List's call sheet and look it up so I find this functionality interesting I I'll of course still be using call sheet because this doesn't replace that but I do like uh other than actors the ability to see what song is playing and add it to my Apple music library so that that is also an interesting little Synergy piece there okay on the one hand you reassured me there the idea that it could just be on your phone remote okay if that's your choice your problem deal with with it but the opposite is the fact that what I hadn't realized was I could be watching something with somebody and I want to look at whoever the actor is so they've got to see it as well I I'm I'm thinking divorce level imagine you're in a movie theater and you see like this x-ray menu up here because the guy on the projector wants to see who's in the movie right like it's it's that level of interruption I I never personally want to like jump in the Middle with UI on the screen like that's that's terrible I like the idea of it being on the remote as well that's that's smart but we could go off on a UI video rant but we have two things to cover before we even get chap side plus and the beaters of Doom which is this the watch show what did I miss I like the sound of the vitals thing that Dr s was mentioning as I went by um what's that it's just surfaces some detail it's giving you more information about it's it's basically Gathering everything it gets from you while you sleep heart rate data and stuff to generate a baseline health and to say when you're outside of that Baseline and that Baseline can be affected by you've had too much alcohol so your heart rate is elevated or you haven't been getting enough sleep so you're sleep you know so if you go outside of two of these I think six metrics uh you'll get an alert saying your vitals may be out of range and then you can see this all in a chart it's in the health app there's a vitals app on Apple watch it's very interesting just more ways to use this health information and more ways to uh have the strangle hold on watches because you if you literally take off your Apple watch now you will die according to Apple so okay was there anything else in the Apple watch there's bound to be some fitness exercise stuff so skip all of that um they they measure your uh what is the word for this effort level in exercise and and you can tell them that they've lied uh so William don't worry when you do a workout you can tell them that it wasn't a effort level one it was effort level five every time and I correct them on that all right I'm in I'm back in okay and then and then the finally there's uh in the smart stack there's now live activity support so anything that was a live activity on your iPhone can support can show up in there and it uses the same information and UI so developers don't have to do anything they just appear there so like the weather can appear there um and you ahead of time if it's going to rain so uh more smart stack widgets I like that I just wish I don't know I like the Apple watch Being passive And the fact I even have to scroll up to see those is just let if there's something to show me like a notification kind of have that appear first and make me dismiss it to see the watch face I don't know like give me give me more proactive features Apple uh with this apple intelligence but it's not an Apple Watch true true um you said iOS is that we have at least touched on this some of my favorite makoya maoa I'm sorry I can't believe I mix Mak AOA well I'm actually looking at the Macintosh screen saver of it now on the Mac beside me and it's gorgeous Susan K's artwork from the 1980s um well blown up massively and made into a wallpaper and a screen saver so there you go that's me seoa um yes there's not much in Mac OS like you say I mean they didn't even really change system settings uh they did they did an iPhone and iPad of course I honestly don't what what was Mac OS like what did they do will you tell me well actually I thought system settings did uh change it's more I might be mixing it up with the phone here now it's not funny I'm not suddenly not sure that the the sequence was more organized than it was before but I wasn't that fuss cuz thought it was all right there the iPhone mirroring uh but we haven't seen that yet I'm beginning to wonder why did I up right but okay yes oh okay oh of course yes it's uh so we have the passwords app or replacing the keychain app which is much nicer and safer and you don't have to worry about someone going in and accidentally deleting a certificate that's important to their system you now just have this little thing this is where they revealed the passwords app and they're just like oh by the way it's everywhere else cuz people were getting a little worried this was late into the presentation like where's the passwords at well they saved it for Mac OS um windowing you can drag a window to the edge and it resizes that's really about it uh yeah it's just okay that Sherlocks a few things as well and actually I believe Windows us as longed on this thing of course but I I found that slightly annoying because uh yes if you drag a window to the side it will uh tile as they say it drag it to the left let go and it will fill exactly half your screen fine but it will by default it will only do that if you drag while holding the option key and I cannot conceive of a way you would find that out until you somebody told you once you know yeah I mean you're leaning on the option key as you drag what are the odds if you go into settings you can turn that off and just let it drag anywhere but who would have thought to go into settings to find a key stroke that you didn't know was needed for a function that you've already got in a third party app so I thought that was odd but be today I would love to see this m on iPad OS stage manager they didn't they didn't give it to us but I I feel like this will eventually make it to iPad OS if they give us better windowing systems at all uh but yes i' would like to see that but yeah I mean Mac OS it's not that it's small it's just that it got everything iOS got so just kind of like iPad OS that it there's actually no Mac specific thing except for the iPhone mirroring um and you know the usual screen saver stuff well also actually right now that I am sure this will change there is a different in the i in the passwords app um on the iPhone you can't import any passwords from other on the Mac you can there a couple step processes but it's there on the Mac it isn't on the iPad I tell you one thing that really really surprised me is Apple made this thing of saying they've been working on passwords and stuff for 25 years and of course I know Safari has been saving them and for years I've had this thing where I go to enter a password and up Pops Safari's box and so does one password box and you're trying to get this but there were 76 passwords already in the passwords app when I got there and 41 uh router password apps and going through thinking that's the Skybox that we had 20 years ago and I don't remember any of these things but somewhere through multiple Maxs multiple operating systems Safari has kept it all waiting ready I'm quite happy with this app um I hope they give us more later we have found out that you don't need a website anymore to generat a password so technically if you want to use it to store your um security keys for your apps or something uh like you can you can trick it into doing that but uh overall fine Mac OS seoa I I think the um Apple intelligence stuff is kind of stolen this year and and this is honestly this this might be the year that everyone's been asking for of let's just focus on making things more stable because yeah while Apple intelligence is huge it's in it's a shadow over everything everything the smaller updates across the systems are all very welcome I like what they did on iPad I like what they did on Mac um but the at least we do have some user-facing features that are very important but they are separate from the operating system in a way so I think that's what's interesting about this year it is if we didn't have apple intelligence to talk about it would actually be kind of a quiet year uh overall and and maybe that's a good thing maybe this is the stability year people have been asking for the snow leopard yeah um let's there because I I have some news that I need to mention about the Apple Insider podcast and it's all to do with all of this stuff I'm so looking forward to this this is of course the the usual Friday edition with Wes and I uh going on over what's just happened in wwc but tomorrow on Saturday there's going to be another extra Apple Insider podcast episode which I think is going to be really special because it's going to be me with a guest the guest is Alexander kovan who's the CEO of setup macpo which makes setup now all the way up to the buildup of WWDC Wes and I we're talking about we want to get in a developer in because you know we write about this but really we look at it from the point of view of us as users for this and a developer has all this extra knowledge on the inside of how much work it is uh to do this how much of this is going to be of benefit to them what's going to be a problem how busy is their summer going to be and that's great and Alexander can tell us exactly that because is a developer of uh clean my Mac clean my iPhone all of these things and also actually the setup app you don't think about this but setup which is a bundle of 200 odd apps for the Mac comes through uh as kind of its own setup app you go through this app to choose what you want from the set and all this it's all very nicely done all has to be updated so here is one man who is a developer of a very successful series of apps but one of those is setup so he also has to know what's going on with all 200 developers of the other apps so if you could get one person to talk about WWDC from the developers point of view it's Alexander kman and we've got him in tomorrow's thing and this personal thing he was at Apple Park for WWDC so just try to stop me asking him what that was like that that's in the very next episode of the Apple Insider podcast but W right after that you're back in homekit Insider aren't you more more of you well so it it's always hit Miss with hom kid Insider because we uh Andrew's and I schedules are so mismatched sometimes Andrew has to do uh solo shows so we'll see if I am in next week's show or not depending on Andrew's schedule but um I I will be there if I am talking about uh the new home updates and everything else but I had one question for you I know we've gone over the usual hour but do we have 5 minutes or 5 to 10 minutes to Just Breathe It depends you you're slightly worrying me so I want to say no but also I'm curious so yes well I I would hate I would I think it would be uh an injustice to spend an entire show without at least saying what's new in iOS 18 that's true well I thought we can't touch on things they have the nice app stuff they have the password app what stood out to you then that I'm I'm forgetting well I just wanted to give give a brief overview and this this is this is probably going to be the focus of our next show after that lovely interview uh we'll dive deep into iOS 18 and everything coming to that so don't worry we will get to it it's just there's so much to talk about and apple intelligence and uh took up and vision OS took up so much of the show today but um I am very excited for iOS 18 uh I've installed it and have been customizing my stuff but yes you can have dark mode icons filtered icons with colors and if you do it it goes systemwide it's not just for the home screen I really hope this gets Focus filters in the future that can change what filter or what icons are used per Focus that that's an obvious Next Step but this is awesome it's another huge step forward in customization you can remove app and widget labels by turning on the large icon mode which is awesome um so you you it still looks like an iPhone but it's so uniquely new that you can't help but just stare at it it just it's so nice um I like that you can place icons anywhere on the home screen uh widgets as well and uh it's still in the grid of course but you can just put them anywhere in the grid you the empty space no longer needs to be a trick it's just empty space um outside of that there's so much customization everything in iOS is customization now and this is where I've been getting at for a long time saying iPhone versus Android customization you can really get in there everything is customization including the photos app every part of the new photos UI is customizable by the user because they want you to have the photos experience you're expecting when you open it that's awesome so we're going to we're going to talk more about photos later but um all of this together the new safari stuff you can summarize Pages the new reader mode uh of course Apple intelligence itself there's the passwords app is also an iOS just really good stuff and of course the the messages app has uh tapback reactions with a colored Emoji you can use any Emoji to do those uh text wrapping uh or te text um effects that are new uh different things instead of just the usual stuff like wiggling the text or something you can apply those per word which is fun control center we didn't even mention control center today you can fully customize control center an iPad and iPhone now and have multiple pages and that is just phenomenal and even with multiple Pages don't worry you're not swiping 15 times you just drag your finger and keep dragging till you get to the page you want to awesome so there's just so much in iOS we will get there um next uh next week so be patient but uh if you guys have any questions or anything of course you can always get a hold of us I'm excited to continue talking about WWDC and playing with these betas I really looked forward to this year's wwc and although we saying that about the Mac not having I feel overall it it did deliver um I don't re well don't yet regret updating uh my iPhone to iOS 18 although that is obviously a subject we covering in a moment um tell you w we found out where we can get you at least often on homekit Insider I'm on uh email all the time how about we'll stop it there and then maybe we can have some sort of Doom drums coming before Apple Insider plus but in the meantime thank you very much our sponsor FastMail for that thank you very much for listening speak to you remember tomorrow with a special edition and then back again next week love this stuff speak to you there\n"