The Clex Model D: A Great Option for Inexpensive TLR Photography

I own one of these cameras, and as I mentioned, they can be found very cheaply, made in the hundreds of thousands, and widely produced. They're pretty easy to find now, especially on eBay or similar platforms. The nature of this model means that there were a ton of them produced, and they weren't really expensive cameras. A lot of them were purchased by consumers who just wanted to play around with photography, not necessarily as professional photographers who used them extensively.

As a result, you can find varying degrees of quality in these cameras. You might come across a dirty viewfinder or dings on the lens, but if you're willing to put in some work and clean one of these up, you can get great shots with them. A lot of times, they'll cost between $20-$30 US dollars, which is an incredibly affordable option for someone looking to try out TLR photography without breaking the bank.

One thing to keep in mind is that there's a considerable price difference between this and something like a Reflex camera. If you're just interested in inexpensively getting into TLR photography and fooling around with it, this is a great idea. It won't cost you much money, and you can get some great shots without committing to a more expensive camera.

However, if you do find yourself willing to spend more money, the Model F usually goes for $100 and up because it was the top-of-the-line model. But, if you can find it for exactly $100 or less, I think it's worth considering. The difference between this and some alternatives is where some of you might disagree with me. In reality, B&H basically took over the company that sold Clex cameras and rebranded as Graphx 22.

There are a couple minor differences between these cameras and the original Clex model, but they're good cameras nonetheless. They're collector's items now, and if you're going to find one, you'll probably have to pay a lot of money for it. As such, I don't think they're worth what you'd be paying for them. If you want to get into TLR photography in the $250 and up range, I think you'd be better off looking for a Rolleflex or something similar.

Rolleflex cameras have more advanced features, nicer lenses, and are generally considered better than some of these older models. But again, this is just my opinion, and if you're interested in trying out TLR photography with a Graphx 22, don't be insulted – they still make great cameras! However, I would go look for a Clex if you're looking for something that's going to be kind of experimental in nature. They all shoot medium format, so you can get some great shots with these.

The main difference between the Clex and other cameras is that Rolleflexes have more advanced features and lenses, making them generally better suited for actual photography rather than just messing around with a camera. But if you're willing to put in the work, the Clex can still produce some amazing shots – especially when it's properly cleaned and maintained.

One thing I want to do soon is announce that we've been getting a lot of comments from viewers asking for more images with TLR cameras, which I haven't shown as much of. To address this, I'm planning on doing a TLR shootout where we take the same film in different cameras, take the same images, and then compare the results to see what the difference really is in the final photograph.

We'll be using the same film in all of the cameras and taking the same shots, so it should give us a clear comparison between the different models. I'm planning on getting this video done within the next week or two, after which we'll schedule it into our show calendar.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwe're going to cover another tlr camera today and I want to add this on to the beginning of the video because a couple of you have indicated that you would really like to see pictures that I've made with these cameras and I have no problem with that at all but I thought what would be a really cool idea to do is I'm actually going to do a tlr shootout and so if you can give me about two weeks to get that together what I want to do is take a bunch of these tlr cameras that I've been talking about on here I want to load them up with the same film type and take the same shots with them in different situations and then we can look at them and see how they compare uh in terms of sharpness contrast and the light so stay tuned for that hey everybody my name is Ted Forbes and welcome back to another episode of The Art of Photography and today I want to do one more episode on our tlr cameras we've covered a lot of these recently and this is one more that I own um twin lens reflex cameras were very popular in the 40s and 50s they featured two lenses there was a viewing lens and a taking lens and we've covered a lot of these in the last couple shows um we talked about the riflex we've talked about the checkless of oan flexaret uh we've talked about the Ana automatic reflex and I want to mention the clex now this camera is not in the class of any of those other cameras I mentioned it's a entry level to maybe intermediate level camera so these were a lot less expensive um they don't have really any bells and whistles on them they're a much cheaper camera are T capable of taking decent pictures and we'll break it down and I'll do it up close in a minute and talk about this uh but the clex company these were a usamade camera and another point I want to make on here because a couple people had uh left comments and I actually got into an email discussion with somebody but I said in the last video that I covered the ANS automatic reflects that it was the United States failed attempt in camera design and what I was implying or what I really meant by that I don't remember my exact quote but um it was the failed attempt at the top level Pro level camera design what they were trying to design was something that was very expensive that was a highlevel high-end uh Pro tlr and that's where they failed and the US had never really been able to fulfill that now this is a usamade camera um but it is not anywhere near in the league that what they were going with ansco with the automatic reflex so I just want to make that that point before we moved on but the clex was built in the USA uh by the company C and they the earliest cameras the model A's were built in Detroit and you can tell if it's a Detroit model or not because I don't if you can see the logo on here or not but the clex had a lowercase C instead of a Capital C so that's the big difference those were the Detroit models they later moved the company to Delaware Ohio and that's where most of these were made now there were basically six models of this camera that you could find all with little minor differences um and they were letter numbers so sorry they were lettered model names so it was model a Model B C this is a Model D and there's a Model E and then finally there's a Model F and really for all intents and purposes they had slightly different uh usually shutter lens configurations um all of these are at 885 mm except the F which I'll talk about in a second and again like the ansco automatic reflex the reason these are 85 MIM over the standard 80 was they could use a cheaper lens and get better uh coverage over the film uh over the frame and get better EDG to Edge sharpness if they went for a longer focal length just slightly so these why these are 85 and then the f is an 83 and so that's basically there's minor differences between the models they're more or less variations of the same thing now the model f was more expensive and it actually featured a better lens design it had an actual Four Element lens on it and it had a different shutter most of these are what are known as the what they called the alfax shutters this is an Alx shutter and the model f had a wrapa shutter now I want to give you a quick disclaimer I believe I I filmed the up close part of this before I did this part and I think I called it the affx which it is not the insurance company it is the alfax shutter so for whatever uh you want to do with that but anyway that is basically what the clex is um later on uh the company ended up selling their entire camera line to the graflex company and graflex re-released these as the graflex 22 there were some minor changes uh they came in a different color I believe they were gray and the graphicx were very popular as well and so anyway let's go up and close and I want to show you um all about the twin lens clex okay so we're taking a look at the clex model D and as I kind of mentioned before you know one of the reasons I want to show this is this is not a particularly high-end camera uh for its time or obviously now you know these are all old antique cameras and this one uh you know if you're looking for something if you want to get a tlr the clex isn't a bad option because you can get them ridiculously cheap I think I paid maybe $25 for this when I bought it um they're going to be varying in quality as you'll see as we go through here um however if you don't need some of the highend features of one of the other cameras and that's why I was making the point when we did the episode on the ansco automatic reflex is that you know this was an American tlr but it was pretty lowend um or medium end I guess you could say and you're going to see here it's a little bit like a hogga with a better lens and made out of metal and some more focusing options and obviously shutter speeds and stuff so we'll go through and I'll show you the clex model D here and you can kind of see what we're talking about so pretty much classic tlr design where you have a viewing lens and a taking lens uh the taking lens on here is an 85 mm uh volen saac and it's an aplex shutter on here and you remember we were talking about the why it would be an 85 not an 80 and it was to increase EDG to Edge sharpness on there by just increasing the focal length which you know more or less works but it's you know so they could save money without having to design uh a fancier lens uh this one the maximum ftop is 3.5 on here and basically it's pretty easy how this works you have your f-stop over on the side side here and so when I move this ring it's going to move the leaves in the shutter it's on the back of the shutter um to adjust the aperture and then your shutter speeds are over here now due to the varying in quality you know if you're going to buy one of these you may have trouble with the lower shutter speeds this camera is horrible at lower shutter speeds um there is a time and a bulb setting so if you want to manually expose for like a really long exposure that's not a problem uh top shutter speeds on this one work okay so you have basically a top speed of 200 uh then you have options of 150 25 and 1/10th of of a second and then time and bulb so it's not a whole lot of options but you know enough to take decent pictures with um so that's basically what's on the front and it's a self-cocking shutter so basically when I fire it I can fire it again and I can fire it again you don't have to the shutter it is self-contained on that so anyway kind of cool um you know for all intensive purposes now there's no Double Exposure prevention so if you forget to wind your film you could wind up with double exposures which you know you may or may not want who knows uh on the side basically this is the uh focusing knob which um moves the lens in and out so I can I can adjust my focus and then this is the winder for the film and I'll show you how the film Works in here when I open this back um you're going to see that basically you have a little window down here where you're going to use the the tape on the back of the film to know what frame you're on so once you're past frame one if you've already shot it if you want to not double expose you need to wind it to frame two so on and so forth uh pretty decent um build in here but what you're going to see inside and I don't know if this is going to be really apparent on the video just cuz it's so dark in here but one of the drags about the clex is it does not have a flocked interior and so what that means is it's just the reflective aluminum that this is made out of inside and it is painted black but it still is reflective so sometimes it's really easy to get light flares on here um all kinds of weird Reflections that could come up on your film and do ghost exposures and things like that so if you're shooting in really bright light or if you're shooting at night when you have kind of stray light going out from like buildings or street lights or something that can be a problem and so the lack of a flock interior you know it puts it kind of for me in the level of the hulga um so you know it's kind of a you know design V they probably could have dealt with but did not um in the top you have the viewfinder and you move this little crank down to release it bring this up mine has seen better days um it's not terribly dark um it's usable certainly and then it's the standard fair and side but no release levers for anything so what you have here is the little magnifying assist here um to help you get in focus and then you also have the typical Action Sports viewfinder thing so I I pop this down there's a little Notch where it will help it stick and then you're able to manually look through that little square Notch there and frame this up so you know that's kind of standard on tlr is not the greatest thing in the world but you know it it does function and it does work work just fine um also make sure sometimes these are just not the greatest design in the world and if they haven't been lubricated in a while they can be real janky and kind of bent and coming apart and you can see this one's not in wonderful condition um on this side over here basically we got the Flash syns and I don't trust either one of these to actually work now and I never use this camera with flash so it's not the end of the world for me um and like I said and they buy me a tripod socket and then the other cool thing because of the nature of this camera and I tend to look at this is something more in the class of you know a toy camera with some options in the shutter speed and a better lens and it certainly does take Sharp Images even though you're going to get flaring sometimes and things like that but what's kind of fun is to you know treat this camera differently and do different things with it and I've done stuff and I'll show you image I'll roll it over the top here um but I used to put slide film in here or black and white film and basically you can jam the cartridge in here and I use some foam to do that uh and your Winder up here is just going to freely turn you know whatever you've got in here to to spool onto so if I moved the spool up there so I've rolled 35mm film through here before and what it does is it shoot because your image frame is way bigger than 35 it's going to shoot over the sprocket holes and so I took some images doing that a few years ago and you know it it can it can do things cuz it's not an amazing camera where you can actually make it do things that are very different and unusual you know unconventional I guess so I kind of treat this a lot in the class of the hogga so basically that is the clex mine is a Model D and there are other models in varying quality but they're all basically the same class of SLR so there's or sorry tlr there's no uh hand crank there's no Double Exposure prevention you're going to be kind of limited on shutter speeds uh the lens is a little bit cheaper design but you know for all tens and purposes for a very inexpensive camera if you just want to get into shooting on a tlr I really think these are kind of what you want to look for um there's things like the seagull and and uh you know the lubitel and stuff like that but they're still going to cost more money so that is the clex model D okay so that is the clex and in this particular case the model D which I own and as I mentioned these can be found very cheaply um they were made in the hundreds of thousands um and so they're widely produced and they're pretty easy to find now um if you go on eBay or something like that you're likely to find a clex now because of the nature of this model there were a ton of them produced they were not really expensive cameras um a lot of them were purchased by consumers that just you know they're not well taken care of let's just say it's not like they were professional photographers who Ed these so um you're going to get varying degrees of quality in this uh a lot of times you're going to find a really filthy viewfinder in the top sometimes there's dings in it um look for obviously fungus in the lens you don't want that but other than that if you're willing to a little bit of work and clean one of these up um you can find these for like $20 us $25 maybe $30 I wouldn't pay a whole lot more than that for one of these unless it's just seriously in pristine condition and the reason I covered this on the show I mean we're talking about a considerable price difference between this and something like a riflex if you're just interested in inexpensively getting a tlr and fooling around and getting some pictures and doing some cool stuff with it this is a great idea because it won't cost you much money if it's something you're not sure if you're willing to really commit to it's not like you're forking out you know a couple thousand for a riflex or you know the one I showed you wasn't that but anyway you get these for well well under $100 now the difference is the model f they usually go for 100 and up because it was just the top-of-the-line model is it worth it I think if you can find it for exactly $100 that's fine if you're going to go higher than that I think you're getting into the territory of maybe looking at some Alternatives that are much better camera and here's where some of you are going to disagree with me because the graphx 22 which B basically clex sold the company and so they rebranded as the graphx there's a couple minor differences on those cameras and for what they are they're good but they're collector's items and so if you're going to find one now you're probably going to pay a lot of money for it and that's kind of where I just don't think they're worth what you're going to pay for it I'm not saying they're bad cameras at all this is just in my opinion I think if you're going to get you know into the 250 and up range I think you'd be better off looking for a roloflex or something like that that's just a better camera got better features a nicer lens um just more upto dat and so that's just my two cents on that now if you have a graphx don't be insulted I mean they're still fine cameras but you know I would go look for a clex if you're interested in this or if you just want a second tlr to goof around with and like I said I've done things like put 35 mimet in here and played with the lens on it I mean you know you're not messing up anything expensive so if you want something that's going to be kind of experimental in nature I think again this is a good camera to have and you know these all shoot medium format they have sharp enough lenses and you can get great stuff with these um like I mentioned there's some there's some big differ between this and something like a ro FX anyway hope that helps and uh coming up I am going to um I'll go ahead and announce this now and I'm going to actually put a Stinger at the beginning in this video too because I forgot to mention it earlier um what I want to do is several of you have made comments that we haven't showed a lot of images with these with these cameras or that I haven't showed a lot of images and what I would like to do is actually do a tlr shootout where we take put the same film in different cameras take the same images and then compare the shots and see what the difference is really in the final photograph so watch for that give me about a week or two to get that together and we will get that into the schedule so anyway guys once again that is the coflex model D in this case and once again thank you again for watching The Art of Photography I'll see you guys next time laterwe're going to cover another tlr camera today and I want to add this on to the beginning of the video because a couple of you have indicated that you would really like to see pictures that I've made with these cameras and I have no problem with that at all but I thought what would be a really cool idea to do is I'm actually going to do a tlr shootout and so if you can give me about two weeks to get that together what I want to do is take a bunch of these tlr cameras that I've been talking about on here I want to load them up with the same film type and take the same shots with them in different situations and then we can look at them and see how they compare uh in terms of sharpness contrast and the light so stay tuned for that hey everybody my name is Ted Forbes and welcome back to another episode of The Art of Photography and today I want to do one more episode on our tlr cameras we've covered a lot of these recently and this is one more that I own um twin lens reflex cameras were very popular in the 40s and 50s they featured two lenses there was a viewing lens and a taking lens and we've covered a lot of these in the last couple shows um we talked about the riflex we've talked about the checkless of oan flexaret uh we've talked about the Ana automatic reflex and I want to mention the clex now this camera is not in the class of any of those other cameras I mentioned it's a entry level to maybe intermediate level camera so these were a lot less expensive um they don't have really any bells and whistles on them they're a much cheaper camera are T capable of taking decent pictures and we'll break it down and I'll do it up close in a minute and talk about this uh but the clex company these were a usamade camera and another point I want to make on here because a couple people had uh left comments and I actually got into an email discussion with somebody but I said in the last video that I covered the ANS automatic reflects that it was the United States failed attempt in camera design and what I was implying or what I really meant by that I don't remember my exact quote but um it was the failed attempt at the top level Pro level camera design what they were trying to design was something that was very expensive that was a highlevel high-end uh Pro tlr and that's where they failed and the US had never really been able to fulfill that now this is a usamade camera um but it is not anywhere near in the league that what they were going with ansco with the automatic reflex so I just want to make that that point before we moved on but the clex was built in the USA uh by the company C and they the earliest cameras the model A's were built in Detroit and you can tell if it's a Detroit model or not because I don't if you can see the logo on here or not but the clex had a lowercase C instead of a Capital C so that's the big difference those were the Detroit models they later moved the company to Delaware Ohio and that's where most of these were made now there were basically six models of this camera that you could find all with little minor differences um and they were letter numbers so sorry they were lettered model names so it was model a Model B C this is a Model D and there's a Model E and then finally there's a Model F and really for all intents and purposes they had slightly different uh usually shutter lens configurations um all of these are at 885 mm except the F which I'll talk about in a second and again like the ansco automatic reflex the reason these are 85 MIM over the standard 80 was they could use a cheaper lens and get better uh coverage over the film uh over the frame and get better EDG to Edge sharpness if they went for a longer focal length just slightly so these why these are 85 and then the f is an 83 and so that's basically there's minor differences between the models they're more or less variations of the same thing now the model f was more expensive and it actually featured a better lens design it had an actual Four Element lens on it and it had a different shutter most of these are what are known as the what they called the alfax shutters this is an Alx shutter and the model f had a wrapa shutter now I want to give you a quick disclaimer I believe I I filmed the up close part of this before I did this part and I think I called it the affx which it is not the insurance company it is the alfax shutter so for whatever uh you want to do with that but anyway that is basically what the clex is um later on uh the company ended up selling their entire camera line to the graflex company and graflex re-released these as the graflex 22 there were some minor changes uh they came in a different color I believe they were gray and the graphicx were very popular as well and so anyway let's go up and close and I want to show you um all about the twin lens clex okay so we're taking a look at the clex model D and as I kind of mentioned before you know one of the reasons I want to show this is this is not a particularly high-end camera uh for its time or obviously now you know these are all old antique cameras and this one uh you know if you're looking for something if you want to get a tlr the clex isn't a bad option because you can get them ridiculously cheap I think I paid maybe $25 for this when I bought it um they're going to be varying in quality as you'll see as we go through here um however if you don't need some of the highend features of one of the other cameras and that's why I was making the point when we did the episode on the ansco automatic reflex is that you know this was an American tlr but it was pretty lowend um or medium end I guess you could say and you're going to see here it's a little bit like a hogga with a better lens and made out of metal and some more focusing options and obviously shutter speeds and stuff so we'll go through and I'll show you the clex model D here and you can kind of see what we're talking about so pretty much classic tlr design where you have a viewing lens and a taking lens uh the taking lens on here is an 85 mm uh volen saac and it's an aplex shutter on here and you remember we were talking about the why it would be an 85 not an 80 and it was to increase EDG to Edge sharpness on there by just increasing the focal length which you know more or less works but it's you know so they could save money without having to design uh a fancier lens uh this one the maximum ftop is 3.5 on here and basically it's pretty easy how this works you have your f-stop over on the side side here and so when I move this ring it's going to move the leaves in the shutter it's on the back of the shutter um to adjust the aperture and then your shutter speeds are over here now due to the varying in quality you know if you're going to buy one of these you may have trouble with the lower shutter speeds this camera is horrible at lower shutter speeds um there is a time and a bulb setting so if you want to manually expose for like a really long exposure that's not a problem uh top shutter speeds on this one work okay so you have basically a top speed of 200 uh then you have options of 150 25 and 1/10th of of a second and then time and bulb so it's not a whole lot of options but you know enough to take decent pictures with um so that's basically what's on the front and it's a self-cocking shutter so basically when I fire it I can fire it again and I can fire it again you don't have to the shutter it is self-contained on that so anyway kind of cool um you know for all intensive purposes now there's no Double Exposure prevention so if you forget to wind your film you could wind up with double exposures which you know you may or may not want who knows uh on the side basically this is the uh focusing knob which um moves the lens in and out so I can I can adjust my focus and then this is the winder for the film and I'll show you how the film Works in here when I open this back um you're going to see that basically you have a little window down here where you're going to use the the tape on the back of the film to know what frame you're on so once you're past frame one if you've already shot it if you want to not double expose you need to wind it to frame two so on and so forth uh pretty decent um build in here but what you're going to see inside and I don't know if this is going to be really apparent on the video just cuz it's so dark in here but one of the drags about the clex is it does not have a flocked interior and so what that means is it's just the reflective aluminum that this is made out of inside and it is painted black but it still is reflective so sometimes it's really easy to get light flares on here um all kinds of weird Reflections that could come up on your film and do ghost exposures and things like that so if you're shooting in really bright light or if you're shooting at night when you have kind of stray light going out from like buildings or street lights or something that can be a problem and so the lack of a flock interior you know it puts it kind of for me in the level of the hulga um so you know it's kind of a you know design V they probably could have dealt with but did not um in the top you have the viewfinder and you move this little crank down to release it bring this up mine has seen better days um it's not terribly dark um it's usable certainly and then it's the standard fair and side but no release levers for anything so what you have here is the little magnifying assist here um to help you get in focus and then you also have the typical Action Sports viewfinder thing so I I pop this down there's a little Notch where it will help it stick and then you're able to manually look through that little square Notch there and frame this up so you know that's kind of standard on tlr is not the greatest thing in the world but you know it it does function and it does work work just fine um also make sure sometimes these are just not the greatest design in the world and if they haven't been lubricated in a while they can be real janky and kind of bent and coming apart and you can see this one's not in wonderful condition um on this side over here basically we got the Flash syns and I don't trust either one of these to actually work now and I never use this camera with flash so it's not the end of the world for me um and like I said and they buy me a tripod socket and then the other cool thing because of the nature of this camera and I tend to look at this is something more in the class of you know a toy camera with some options in the shutter speed and a better lens and it certainly does take Sharp Images even though you're going to get flaring sometimes and things like that but what's kind of fun is to you know treat this camera differently and do different things with it and I've done stuff and I'll show you image I'll roll it over the top here um but I used to put slide film in here or black and white film and basically you can jam the cartridge in here and I use some foam to do that uh and your Winder up here is just going to freely turn you know whatever you've got in here to to spool onto so if I moved the spool up there so I've rolled 35mm film through here before and what it does is it shoot because your image frame is way bigger than 35 it's going to shoot over the sprocket holes and so I took some images doing that a few years ago and you know it it can it can do things cuz it's not an amazing camera where you can actually make it do things that are very different and unusual you know unconventional I guess so I kind of treat this a lot in the class of the hogga so basically that is the clex mine is a Model D and there are other models in varying quality but they're all basically the same class of SLR so there's or sorry tlr there's no uh hand crank there's no Double Exposure prevention you're going to be kind of limited on shutter speeds uh the lens is a little bit cheaper design but you know for all tens and purposes for a very inexpensive camera if you just want to get into shooting on a tlr I really think these are kind of what you want to look for um there's things like the seagull and and uh you know the lubitel and stuff like that but they're still going to cost more money so that is the clex model D okay so that is the clex and in this particular case the model D which I own and as I mentioned these can be found very cheaply um they were made in the hundreds of thousands um and so they're widely produced and they're pretty easy to find now um if you go on eBay or something like that you're likely to find a clex now because of the nature of this model there were a ton of them produced they were not really expensive cameras um a lot of them were purchased by consumers that just you know they're not well taken care of let's just say it's not like they were professional photographers who Ed these so um you're going to get varying degrees of quality in this uh a lot of times you're going to find a really filthy viewfinder in the top sometimes there's dings in it um look for obviously fungus in the lens you don't want that but other than that if you're willing to a little bit of work and clean one of these up um you can find these for like $20 us $25 maybe $30 I wouldn't pay a whole lot more than that for one of these unless it's just seriously in pristine condition and the reason I covered this on the show I mean we're talking about a considerable price difference between this and something like a riflex if you're just interested in inexpensively getting a tlr and fooling around and getting some pictures and doing some cool stuff with it this is a great idea because it won't cost you much money if it's something you're not sure if you're willing to really commit to it's not like you're forking out you know a couple thousand for a riflex or you know the one I showed you wasn't that but anyway you get these for well well under $100 now the difference is the model f they usually go for 100 and up because it was just the top-of-the-line model is it worth it I think if you can find it for exactly $100 that's fine if you're going to go higher than that I think you're getting into the territory of maybe looking at some Alternatives that are much better camera and here's where some of you are going to disagree with me because the graphx 22 which B basically clex sold the company and so they rebranded as the graphx there's a couple minor differences on those cameras and for what they are they're good but they're collector's items and so if you're going to find one now you're probably going to pay a lot of money for it and that's kind of where I just don't think they're worth what you're going to pay for it I'm not saying they're bad cameras at all this is just in my opinion I think if you're going to get you know into the 250 and up range I think you'd be better off looking for a roloflex or something like that that's just a better camera got better features a nicer lens um just more upto dat and so that's just my two cents on that now if you have a graphx don't be insulted I mean they're still fine cameras but you know I would go look for a clex if you're interested in this or if you just want a second tlr to goof around with and like I said I've done things like put 35 mimet in here and played with the lens on it I mean you know you're not messing up anything expensive so if you want something that's going to be kind of experimental in nature I think again this is a good camera to have and you know these all shoot medium format they have sharp enough lenses and you can get great stuff with these um like I mentioned there's some there's some big differ between this and something like a ro FX anyway hope that helps and uh coming up I am going to um I'll go ahead and announce this now and I'm going to actually put a Stinger at the beginning in this video too because I forgot to mention it earlier um what I want to do is several of you have made comments that we haven't showed a lot of images with these with these cameras or that I haven't showed a lot of images and what I would like to do is actually do a tlr shootout where we take put the same film in different cameras take the same images and then compare the shots and see what the difference is really in the final photograph so watch for that give me about a week or two to get that together and we will get that into the schedule so anyway guys once again that is the coflex model D in this case and once again thank you again for watching The Art of Photography I'll see you guys next time later\n"