**Choosing the Right RAM for Your VRAM**

When it comes to choosing the right amount of RAM for your system, there's often confusion about how much is enough. In reality, most games don't require a lot of dedicated VRAM (Video Random Access Memory), and setting too high of an amount can actually be counterproductive. The recommended amount of RAM varies from game to game, but 512 megabytes (MB) is generally considered sufficient for most users.

The system's reserved memory for the GPU is what's often mistaken as being the same thing as VRAM. However, this is not exactly equivalent, and setting too high a value can lead to issues with certain games that don't properly detect the situation. For most users, setting 512 MB of RAM for the system should be more than sufficient, and it won't make a noticeable difference in performance unless there's an issue with the game itself.

**Upgrading to the Ryzen 5: Is It Worth It?**

If you're looking to upgrade from the first-generation Ryzen 3, which comes with Vega integrated, the new Ryzen 5 is definitely worth considering. The extra four threads and better SMT implementation make a significant difference in performance, particularly for tasks that benefit from multi-threading like video editing or 3D modeling.

The question of whether it's worth upgrading to the Ryzen 5 from the first-generation Ryzen 3 depends on your specific use case. If you're planning to do more demanding tasks and want to future-proof your system, the extra performance is definitely worth the investment. However, if you're just looking for a general-purpose CPU for gaming or light workloads, the original Ryzen 3 might be sufficient.

**Using the Asrock DeskMini A300 with the Ryzen 5: Considerations**

If you decide to use the Asrock DeskMini A300 with the new Ryzen 5 processor and Vega integrated graphics, keep in mind that the coolers may not fit properly. The original Ryzen 5 was paired with a different cooler design, but the newer CPU model is slightly larger and may require an aftermarket cooler to function properly.

This can be a drawback if you're on a budget or don't want to spend extra money on a new cooler. However, it's worth noting that the Ryzen 5 is generally well-cooled even without a custom cooling solution, so you won't be missing out too much in terms of performance.

**Starter Systems for Home Theater PCs**

One of the most exciting uses cases for these new CPUs is home theater PCs (HTPs). With the ability to handle demanding tasks like video editing and 4K playback, HTPs are becoming increasingly popular as a great way to upgrade your entertainment experience at home.

The Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 offer incredible performance for their price, making them excellent choices for building an HTP. When choosing a starter system, it's worth considering the balance between performance and cost. The original Ryzen 3 is an absolute steal, but the new Ryzen 5 offers better performance and a more future-proof design.

**Additional Tips**

If you're looking to build your own PC on a budget, keep in mind that first-generation boards with support for these APUs are selling at discounted prices. These boards offer incredible value, even if they may not have all the latest features or the newest CPU models.

Ultimately, it's worth considering what your specific needs and priorities are before making a decision. With the right balance of performance and cost, you can build an amazing PC that meets your entertainment and productivity needs without breaking the bank.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enRison five-plus Vega or rise in three wait that's not rising three rising 3 plus Vega over Aizen five plus Vega I think it's time for another comparison alright so bottom line half of the internet has already reviewed these in fact on July 7th a lot of channels just went out and bought the rise in 5 and the rise in 3 so AMD sent me the rise in 5 plus to Vega I picked up the rise in 3 plus Vega at Micro Center these are Zen plus these are not 7 nanometre some people especially even on our own forum are confused about it's like oh that's 3rd gen rising because it's right now no it's done how that works the APU is always run a generation behind in terms of silicon there are some significant differences between the original Zen Rises and plus Vega and these rising plus Vega in fact the difference between rise and three in the risin 5 is even more pronounced but I'm getting ahead of myself let's take a look so I think the performance on this really to do an apples-to-apples comparison is pretty challenging you look at the game performance and you sort of it's like what is gonna produce a good experience and what's your use case I think that there are two pretty good use cases for risin plus vago one is like a starter computer a very low cost computer that is capable of gaming the risin 5 is capable it's four cores eight threads and it's a soldered situation with the integrated heat spreader so it means that it's able to deal with the heat a little bit better than last gen Verizon + Vega and it's even you know the rise in three is not soldered as a cost-saving measure but the risin 5 plus Vega is about $50 more expensive the coolers a little bit better maybe and and that kind of thing the risin 5 first gen cooler I think was all aluminum there was a version of the cooler that had a copper slug vapor chamber I had a little I mean I mentioned that in a couple of videos ago when we were looking at differences with the 3600 X and the 3600 because the 3600 X this time around it's an all aluminum that he's saying as opposed to having the copper vapor chamber slug thingy which is an undocumented change but it's fine I mean it still it's effective which is louder so rise than three at $99 really steals the show it's not a $9 I mean you pair that with something like the asrock desk mini a 300 that's like the ultimate home theater machine especially if you're gonna stream a game from another computer so like if you're gonna do steam in-home streaming has Rock desk mini a 300 plus the rise in 3 it's pretty much unstoppable but there's not really any reason to like if second gen is on sale and even less than $100 then 2nd gen would be would be fine this is the memory that I used to test this the team group 3200 it's pretty good it's not the absolute top-shelf stuff but 3200 when you can run the XMP 3200 profile definitely is gonna help on GPU performance because system memory is regular memory but for 720p gaming you can get about 60 fps and unlike medium-low and for 1080p generally you can get 30 FPS unlike low on some games but not every game the eSports titles basically but not so much the Triple A games it varies a bit from game to game and there are a lot of other channels that have done exhaustive benchmarking on a lot of different games Linux support is better on rosin plus Vega right now then even with the Navi you know full fledged dedicated GPUs so if you are a Linux user you're gonna have a pretty good experience with these AP use certainly a much much better experience than Linux users had with the first generation ap use because it was really sketchy for a long time for a lot of reasons these are Zen plus update as I said this is these are not seven nanometer so there's not a huge change for these ap use and AMD is taking steps to make sure the support for their next gen of ap use is in the Linux kernel as soon as possible so learning from mistakes sounds good is awesome yay happy times so now some people might complain that in the UEFI you can't set more than two gigabytes of usage for VRAM but actually you don't really even need to set two gigabytes like 512 megs is fine this is the amount of memory reserved from the system for the GPU but the reality with this type of graphics is that the game is just going to use whatever memory it sees fit only a buggy game that miss detects how like the memory situation is is going to respond to having more dedicated vram it's a really I'm sort of glossing over some stuff but by and large unless there is a prob with the game setting 512 megs for your reserved memory is what you should do and that should not make a difference inside most games unless there's a problem with the game programming and you're gonna have to trust me on that and if you want to duke it out in the forum and argue with me you can come to the level 1 forums and we can argue about that but from a programmers perspective I'm not wrong so for me if I were building a machine for like my third cousin or like you know the scrappy little like super poor kid at the end of the neighborhood it's trying really hard but you know I just kind of feel bad for totally would buy the Rison 5 over the Rison 3 because I think the price the price difference would be worth the extra twinkle in the eye of like you know the scrappy underdog paperboy that you know lives at the end of the street or whatever because the performance is there having the extra 4 threads so the horizon 3s 4 core 4 thread runs in 5 4 core 8 threads the SMT implementation on these CPUs is pretty good you don't really lose a lot not having the 4 threads but having the 4 threads is just a little bit more generally it's a pretty significant uplift over the first generation the Zen plus cores you know nothing unexpected there but I am surprised that we're seeing this much difference from just tweaking Vega a little bit for this next round of CPUs if you already have rosin + Vega does it make sense to upgrade I don't think so I don't think there's enough of a difference here with this generation to really make it worth your while if you get a first gen rosin + Vega like Rising 3 does it make sense to upgrade to the rosin 5 again I don't think so I don't I think that your money would be better spent on either a more significant system upgrade or a dedicated GPU if you go with something like the desk mini a 300 then you're never going to be able to add another GPU to the system but if it's for scrappy paperboy at the end of the street you know it's hard to go wrong one caution that I would have for you is if you do go with the asrock desk mini a 300 with the rosin 5 + Vega the coolers not going to fit the a 300 comes with a cooler but the cooler the a300 comes with is really borderline for the risin five plus Vega it really is I really wish that I rock would bundle a better cooler now that the second gen you know rising plus Vegas CPUs are out but yeah I don't know you could get an aftermarket cooler but then you're spending kind of a lot of money that you really shouldn't be spending so if you aren't sure just get the rise in three for the desk mini and you'll be fine I'd rather have 16 gigs of memory than eight gigs of memory plus the rise in five but that's just me like if you were just doing it strictly purely for gaming you would be ok with the eight gigabytes of memory that's just me being impatient that my gigs is not enough if you get a cheap X 370 board that has support for this apu it's really hard to go wrong I mean those first gen boards are basically on fire sale on clearance you know fifty to a hundred dollars plus the cost of your CPU which is you know one hundred two hundred sixty five at the upper end us for the risin five plus Vega price for the extra performance and the better cooler that it gives you like forty to fifty five dollars at the most price difference but the $99 rosin three that's a heck of a deal I mean that's that's really the deal of the century but the rosin five is a better balanced CPU but it comes at a cost premium both of these are incredible incredible starter CPUs for you know second PC livingroom PC home theater PC something like that these are incredible CPUs for that use case and you should if you're thinking about building something like that just take a look at that maybe we should do a video on that no wonder this is level one I'm signing out and I'll see you laterRison five-plus Vega or rise in three wait that's not rising three rising 3 plus Vega over Aizen five plus Vega I think it's time for another comparison alright so bottom line half of the internet has already reviewed these in fact on July 7th a lot of channels just went out and bought the rise in 5 and the rise in 3 so AMD sent me the rise in 5 plus to Vega I picked up the rise in 3 plus Vega at Micro Center these are Zen plus these are not 7 nanometre some people especially even on our own forum are confused about it's like oh that's 3rd gen rising because it's right now no it's done how that works the APU is always run a generation behind in terms of silicon there are some significant differences between the original Zen Rises and plus Vega and these rising plus Vega in fact the difference between rise and three in the risin 5 is even more pronounced but I'm getting ahead of myself let's take a look so I think the performance on this really to do an apples-to-apples comparison is pretty challenging you look at the game performance and you sort of it's like what is gonna produce a good experience and what's your use case I think that there are two pretty good use cases for risin plus vago one is like a starter computer a very low cost computer that is capable of gaming the risin 5 is capable it's four cores eight threads and it's a soldered situation with the integrated heat spreader so it means that it's able to deal with the heat a little bit better than last gen Verizon + Vega and it's even you know the rise in three is not soldered as a cost-saving measure but the risin 5 plus Vega is about $50 more expensive the coolers a little bit better maybe and and that kind of thing the risin 5 first gen cooler I think was all aluminum there was a version of the cooler that had a copper slug vapor chamber I had a little I mean I mentioned that in a couple of videos ago when we were looking at differences with the 3600 X and the 3600 because the 3600 X this time around it's an all aluminum that he's saying as opposed to having the copper vapor chamber slug thingy which is an undocumented change but it's fine I mean it still it's effective which is louder so rise than three at $99 really steals the show it's not a $9 I mean you pair that with something like the asrock desk mini a 300 that's like the ultimate home theater machine especially if you're gonna stream a game from another computer so like if you're gonna do steam in-home streaming has Rock desk mini a 300 plus the rise in 3 it's pretty much unstoppable but there's not really any reason to like if second gen is on sale and even less than $100 then 2nd gen would be would be fine this is the memory that I used to test this the team group 3200 it's pretty good it's not the absolute top-shelf stuff but 3200 when you can run the XMP 3200 profile definitely is gonna help on GPU performance because system memory is regular memory but for 720p gaming you can get about 60 fps and unlike medium-low and for 1080p generally you can get 30 FPS unlike low on some games but not every game the eSports titles basically but not so much the Triple A games it varies a bit from game to game and there are a lot of other channels that have done exhaustive benchmarking on a lot of different games Linux support is better on rosin plus Vega right now then even with the Navi you know full fledged dedicated GPUs so if you are a Linux user you're gonna have a pretty good experience with these AP use certainly a much much better experience than Linux users had with the first generation ap use because it was really sketchy for a long time for a lot of reasons these are Zen plus update as I said this is these are not seven nanometer so there's not a huge change for these ap use and AMD is taking steps to make sure the support for their next gen of ap use is in the Linux kernel as soon as possible so learning from mistakes sounds good is awesome yay happy times so now some people might complain that in the UEFI you can't set more than two gigabytes of usage for VRAM but actually you don't really even need to set two gigabytes like 512 megs is fine this is the amount of memory reserved from the system for the GPU but the reality with this type of graphics is that the game is just going to use whatever memory it sees fit only a buggy game that miss detects how like the memory situation is is going to respond to having more dedicated vram it's a really I'm sort of glossing over some stuff but by and large unless there is a prob with the game setting 512 megs for your reserved memory is what you should do and that should not make a difference inside most games unless there's a problem with the game programming and you're gonna have to trust me on that and if you want to duke it out in the forum and argue with me you can come to the level 1 forums and we can argue about that but from a programmers perspective I'm not wrong so for me if I were building a machine for like my third cousin or like you know the scrappy little like super poor kid at the end of the neighborhood it's trying really hard but you know I just kind of feel bad for totally would buy the Rison 5 over the Rison 3 because I think the price the price difference would be worth the extra twinkle in the eye of like you know the scrappy underdog paperboy that you know lives at the end of the street or whatever because the performance is there having the extra 4 threads so the horizon 3s 4 core 4 thread runs in 5 4 core 8 threads the SMT implementation on these CPUs is pretty good you don't really lose a lot not having the 4 threads but having the 4 threads is just a little bit more generally it's a pretty significant uplift over the first generation the Zen plus cores you know nothing unexpected there but I am surprised that we're seeing this much difference from just tweaking Vega a little bit for this next round of CPUs if you already have rosin + Vega does it make sense to upgrade I don't think so I don't think there's enough of a difference here with this generation to really make it worth your while if you get a first gen rosin + Vega like Rising 3 does it make sense to upgrade to the rosin 5 again I don't think so I don't I think that your money would be better spent on either a more significant system upgrade or a dedicated GPU if you go with something like the desk mini a 300 then you're never going to be able to add another GPU to the system but if it's for scrappy paperboy at the end of the street you know it's hard to go wrong one caution that I would have for you is if you do go with the asrock desk mini a 300 with the rosin 5 + Vega the coolers not going to fit the a 300 comes with a cooler but the cooler the a300 comes with is really borderline for the risin five plus Vega it really is I really wish that I rock would bundle a better cooler now that the second gen you know rising plus Vegas CPUs are out but yeah I don't know you could get an aftermarket cooler but then you're spending kind of a lot of money that you really shouldn't be spending so if you aren't sure just get the rise in three for the desk mini and you'll be fine I'd rather have 16 gigs of memory than eight gigs of memory plus the rise in five but that's just me like if you were just doing it strictly purely for gaming you would be ok with the eight gigabytes of memory that's just me being impatient that my gigs is not enough if you get a cheap X 370 board that has support for this apu it's really hard to go wrong I mean those first gen boards are basically on fire sale on clearance you know fifty to a hundred dollars plus the cost of your CPU which is you know one hundred two hundred sixty five at the upper end us for the risin five plus Vega price for the extra performance and the better cooler that it gives you like forty to fifty five dollars at the most price difference but the $99 rosin three that's a heck of a deal I mean that's that's really the deal of the century but the rosin five is a better balanced CPU but it comes at a cost premium both of these are incredible incredible starter CPUs for you know second PC livingroom PC home theater PC something like that these are incredible CPUs for that use case and you should if you're thinking about building something like that just take a look at that maybe we should do a video on that no wonder this is level one I'm signing out and I'll see you later\n"