I've had to make an unfortunate creative modification already because my initial CPU-motherboard combination didn't work and we don't really have anything else. I've had to upgrade to an older setup. So this is now an X79 motherboard paired with an Intel Core i7-3930K and 32 gigs of RAM. I am probably having to spend a lot more on this. How much more? I don't know. But it's either that or I lose. So now my real task is going to be shoving all of this into this little guy.

If you guys are ever wondering what pattern to do your thermal paste in, my favorite one's actually the W. (Alex laughing) Like that. All right, cue the montage. Okay, so I have cleared out a lot of the stuff from inside with some careful modifications. So, now let's test fit our board and see just how far off we are. Shall we? Oh, wait, that's it. Yeah, okay. With an extreme, extreme angle, it does actually fit. The board fits. The cooler does not fit. Um. Wow, I'm really in trouble on this one. With a lot of Dremelling and a lot of tape and zero cooling whatsoever, I can make this work. That's all I've got for a while.

Ken, do you have any updates? - I just have to install my graphics card and I'm done. - Excuse me. - I'm done. - Okay, so this is gonna take a little bit. So, I've made some progress. So we were able to drill out some of the rivets. So the main problem I'm having right now is that to fit my power supply, oh, a lot of stuff flying out, to fit my power supply in here, I need to remove this bit of metal. Now, drilling out the rivets is fine. I cut some of the actual external metal. The bigger thing is, is that if you look on this side, I actually have to cut from here all the way to the top because that's actually all one piece. And to do that, I'm using a Dremel. Unfortunately, I've run out of bits and the one I have left I'm afraid is gonna explode. So I'm gonna have to go and grab some more Dremel accoutrement and work on this later. I'm stressing slightly. If I have mismeasured any of this, and by measured, I mean eyeball measured, I might have to start from scratch.

(Bright music) Behold, my friends, the Dell O-Rama. Now, it's a real tight fit. So the power supply is right here. My 20+4 pin is in between the fan, so you can see how that goes in. The Noctua is up here. The 780 is down here. The SSD is just dangling down there. So you probably can see, it is taped all up in here. Pretty much anywhere that I think that the board could make contact, it is taped. It's not pretty, but I'm hoping that that keeps it from shorting. So, assuming that I have not done something spectacularly dumb or it doesn't immediately short out the second that I plug it in, let's see if the Dell O-Rama will actually survive the first test. Please work. Please work. Please work.

(Ah) There's life. There's life. There's life. Fans are spinning. LEDs are LED-ing. Graphics card is spinning, as well. Oh, it hasn't shorted out yet. Uh. Uh. Yo, it works! It works! Yeah! CPU fan error. I don't care, boy! It lives! Get this (beep) outta here! It's the Dell O-Rama's time to shine.

I actually really like my system a lot. It's not particularly high-end, especially considering that I'm the pro setup, but I think that it's a safe bet to ultimately beat Austin. We have a lot of really good value here, and I think that we'll legitimately get like 2, 3, 4 times the performance of him. At least, if my thoughts of how powerful today's hardware is compared to old hardware, I think we might actually have it.

I'm pretty happy with how my system has turned out. It's a little janky. If you look too close, some tape or a cooler might fall off. I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna get any sort of like demerits or, you know, points taken away from me for missing the 10 year gap. I'm pretty sure my price to performance is also gonna be really strong compared to Ken's. My biggest question is, is that price gonna push me just over the edge or not?

So right now we're gonna play a friendly game of

WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: en- Today on BROKE versus PRO,we're going head to headto see which one's better.I'll be building a computerusing exclusively 10-year-old components.- And I'm going to be buildingusing brand new ones.And I got a lot to choose from.So for this video,both of us are going to be pullingfrom our Overclock Media inventory.As you can imagine,making PC videos,we've amassed a lot ofstuff over the years.So the main criteria that I've been givenfor this challengeis that I need to pick componentsthat are still for sale at Micro Center,which encapsulates fromthe past couple of years.And there is quite a bit to choose from.- So while Ken may have the benefitof brand new parts,my restrictions are alittle bit more difficultbecause I have to pick partsthat are 10 years or older.Now, the good thing is,those, you know,2013, 2014 dayswere some of my prime PC building days.So we gotta see how much I remembermy fourth gen Intels,my-GTX780s?Oh, boy.Okay.- My strategy for this competitioncan honestly go one of two ways.I can either min-max myvalue here and my parts,or I can get like a baller GPUor something like thatand really boost my performanceto an absurd amountand value might not even matter,especially going up againsta 10-year-old slate of components.Ryzen 5 5600X,here we go.And you're getting a decent amountof performance, too,especially over whatever old stuffAustin's gonna be using.All right, for GPU,we have a bunch of RTX,we have a bunch of AMD.I don't know what thelandscape is right now.And most importantly,what's on saleat Micro Center right now.I feel like this cardwill actually pair well with my 5600X.The RTX 3050.It's very much in that same, like,entry-level, mid-range ballpark.- Here's the thing.I think Ken has severely underestimatedjust how hard the newpart of this will be.Because he's getting allbrand new components,there's no-Depreciation built in.Whereas my system is far more optimizedbecause everything is so much older,so many of my things no one wants anymore.It's gonna be 20 bucks here,30 bucks there.Ken's gonna have to be spending$200 on his motherboardand $300 on his GPU.Like, even thoughhis is going to be more powerful,mine's gonna be so much cheaperthat it won't even matter.Oh, actually,we don't have as manyolder chips as I thought.Uh.Oh, yes.An i7-4770K.So, this is Haswell.So, fourth gen.This, I want to say,came out in 2013.It may have been 2014.No, I think it's 2013.Because I have the limitationsof not only having to choose10-year-old plus components,but also trying to figure outwhat the current values of those are.I have to be very carefulwith my component choices.So I think I've narrowedit down to two choices.An RTX 780 or an R9 Nano.It is 100% gonna come down to,do I wanna take a gamble?I'm pretty sure the 780 came outlike 2011 or 2012.I think this is old enough.But I think I could get more performanceif I go for the R9 Nano.The problem is,is that I'm really taking a gamble on,did that come out in 2014 or 2015?I'm starting to second guess myselfthat maybe it did come out in 2015.I'm gonna be safe.I can't risk a littlebit of extra performanceto completely lose.GTX 780, I'm gonna lock it inalong with my Core i7-4770K.I'm really hoping that I'm atlike 70, 80 bucks for the two of them.- I'm super confident.I mean, I don't exactly knowwhere 10-year-old parts liein the scheme of stuffthat you can buy today,but I imagine thateither between raw performanceor optimization onsoftware side with Windows,I think there's a lot to be had herewith modern parts compared to older stuff.Case.This Cooler Master onewe definitely used forbudget builds in the past.I think this is probably all like,I don't know, 60 bucks.I don't know if that's cheaper these days,but back then it was like 60 bucks.Okay, so that's all I got for now.Fingers crossed thatmy budgeting works out.I'm just kind of shooting in the wind hereand let's hope that there's a good result.But I'm kind of curious to seewhat Austin's willing to pull here.- So my problem nowis gonna be finding an old case.This is an areawhere Ken has a huge advantage.'Cause, I'll be real,most 10-year-old caseswe have sent to e-wastebecause we don't keep them.They're massive and they're huge.Could I do this one?I mean, the airflow would be trash,but this is a Windows Vista system.It looks like it's a normal size.Honestly, the only reasonwhy I can't use thisis because my motherboard won't fit.Or I could get a little creative.You know what?I've been known to be creativefrom time to time.- When does that work for you?- No one said anythingabout this being a practical system.As long as it functions.That seems like enough.- I'm almost surprisedhe didn't pull one of the oldest tricksin the BROKE versus PRO bag,which isnot using a case at all.- Does anyone have a hammer?- What?- Or a mallet?I'm pretty sure I still have this one.Because the performance of my systemwill be good, right?A 780, an i7-4770K.Those will still be pretty solid in 2024.The thing that might get me:the price.That's the big wild card here.I'm pretty confidentthat all of my componentsare 10 years old.I'm pretty sure.I can't think of anything that isn't.But I don't know how muchany of these things are.Like, I assume the 780 is,like, freaking worthlesson eBay right now.But maybe it still has some valueto some weirdoswho collect Nvidia graphics cards.If that's you.So, yes, I'm confident.- I think my run of partswent pretty much as wellas it possibly could.As I mentioned earlier,there was a lot of decision paralysisin trying to find stuff for this build,but I think price to performanceis solid with this stuff.So, here's hopingthat Austin's stuff is not crazy cheapand my hunches of old partsand keeping their value is on point.- So, Ken is gonna have a delightful timebuilding his happy little new setup.I am gonna get the power tools outon this thing.So you're just tearing apart-You realize that's our $500 build, right?We just built that thinglike two months ago.That's the $475 systemI built at Micro Center.- Wait, this was-- The whole system was $475.It doesn't quite fit, does it?Does it fit?I actually didn't knowthis was such an old cooler.This cooler actually doesn't mount up, so.What are you doing with your cooler?What kind of cooler are you using?- Yeah, it came with this build.- Yeah,my cooler came with it too.I left it over in inventory.I'll be right back.- Wait, wait.Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.- Where's your cooler?Oh, the $475 total?- No.- Go ahead.I'm listening.- No, we're taking all this outand I'm returning it to Micro Center.It's part of the return policy.- We'll have a word withthe judge on that one.I'm gonna go get a cooler.(upbeat music)You do your thing.I'm actually gonna doa little power test on my systemto make sure all my components workbefore I tear this apartbecause the suspense is killing me.It restarted again, didn't it?(Austin sighing)Not good.You know what?I know it's bad when Kenis trying to help'cause he feels bad.All right,I'm gonna go grab the only other CPUthat is compatible with this boardand then I'm gonna try that.- Can you throw this in the garbagewhile you're out there?- No.So I have had to makean unfortunate creativemodification alreadybecause my initialCPU-motherboard combination didn't workand we don't really have anything else.I've had to upgrade to an older setup.So this is now an X79 motherboardpaired with an Intel Core i7-3930Kand 32 gigs of RAM.I am probably having tospend a lot more on this.How much more?I don't know.But it's either that or I lose.So now my real taskis going to be shoving all of thisinto this little guy.- If you guys are ever wonderingwhat pattern to do your thermal paste in,my favorite one's actually the W.(Alex laughing)Like that.- All right,cue the montage.(Austin mimicking upbeat music)Okay, so I have cleared outa lot of the stuff from insidewith some careful modifications.So, now let's test fit our boardand see just how far off we are.Shall we?Oh, wait, that's it.Yeah, okay.All right.With an extreme, extreme angle,it does actually fit.The board fits.The cooler does not fit.Um.Wow, I'm really in trouble on this one.With a lot of Dremellingand a lot of tapeand zero cooling whatsoever,I can make this work.That's all I've got for a while.Ken, do you have any updates?- I just have to install my graphics cardand I'm done.- Excuse me.- I'm done.- Okay, so this isgonna take a little bit.So, I've made some progress.So we were able to drill outsome of the rivets.So the main problem I'm having right nowis that to fit my power supply,oh, a lot of stuff flying out,to fit my power supply in here,I need to remove this bit of metal.Now, drilling out the rivets is fine.I cut some of the actual external metal.The bigger thing is,is that if you look on this side,I actually have to cut from hereall the way to the topbecause that's actually all one piece.And to do that,I'm using a Dremel.Unfortunately, I've run out of bitsand the one I have leftI'm afraid is gonna explode.So I'm gonna have to goand grab some more Dremel accoutrementand work on this later.I'm stressing slightly.If I have mismeasured any of this,and by measured,I mean eyeball measured,I might have to start from scratch.(bright music)Behold, my friends,the Dell O-Rama.Now, it's a real tight fit.So the power supply is right here.My 20+4 pin is in between the fan,so you can see how that goes in.The Noctua is up here.The 780 is down here.The SSD is just dangling down there.So you probably can see,it is taped all up in here.Pretty much anywhere that I thinkthat the board could make contact,it is taped.It's not pretty,but I'm hoping that thatkeeps it from shorting.So, assuming that I have not donesomething spectacularly dumbor it doesn't immediately short outthe second that I plug it in,let's see if the Dell O-Ramawill actually survive the first test.Please work.Please work.Please work.Ah, there's life.There's life.There's life.Fans are spinning.LEDs are LED-ing.Graphics card is spinning, as well.Oh, it hasn't shorted out yet.Uh.Uh.Yo, it works!It works!Yeah!CPU fan error.I don't care, boy!It lives!Get this (beep) outta here!It's the Dell O-Rama's time to shine.- I actually really like my system a lot.It's not particularly high-end,especially consideringthat I'm the pro setup,but I think that it's a safe betto ultimately beat Austin.We have a lot of really good value here,and I think that we'll legitimately getlike 2, 3, 4 timesthe performance of him.At least, if my thoughtsof how powerful today's hardware iscompared to old hardware,I think we might actually have it.- I'm pretty happywith how my system has turned out.It's a little janky.If you look too close,some tape or a cooler might fall off.I'm pretty sureI'm not gonna get anysort of like demeritsor, you know,points taken away from mefor missing the 10 year gap.I'm pretty sure my price to performanceis also gonna be really strongcompared to Ken's.My biggest question is,is that price gonna push mejust over the edge or not?So right nowwe're gonna play a friendly game of "CS2,"not for points or anythingbecause this is no longer a testthis time aroundof who's a better gamer.Instead, it is entirely aboutwho built the best systemprice to performance wise,and importantly,did we actually staywithin the constraints.All right, I'm in.And look at that.I got 125 FPS.- Hell yeah.Oh, that was Austin.- Yeah, that was me.Look, I'm bad.That's fine.I understand that I'm bad.It's okay.Okay, so how would you describethe performance of your system right now?- Very good.I mean, this is the easiest gamein the world to run,but I'm doing very well right now.- Same.Oh, headshot!That was you, right?- That was definitely me.(Austin chuckling)- So I'm pretty sure I've got this.I think Ken spent too much moneyon way too nice of stuff.He could have cut his budget in halfand I think it would've worked.- I am super confidentthat I'm gonna win this competition.Austin's parts are goingto be way more expensivethan I think he is expecting.- When you do price to performance,all that matters is how many Cinebenchesyou can get per dollar.By spending just a little bit of money,it can give me the opportunityto have 50% less performance or something.I think it's a huge, huge gapwhen you spend an extra $50 here,$100 there.So, I'm very confident.- The price to performanceis going to crush him.- So it is time to seewho is the winner todayon BROKE versus PRO.So we have a large number of categoriesto decide.So we're gonna go overhow much we each spenton our respective systems.We're gonna see how many CPU pointswe get per dollar,GPU points we get per dollar,and then total scoreto determine the BROKEversus PRO champion.I'm feeling real good.- I am, too.- Are you?- We both can't win, though, so.- All right,we'll start with pricing.For Ken,all of these prices for Ken's systemare pulled from Micro Center.- Okay.- So you had a 5600X.It's very frequentlyon sale for around 140,so that's what you got.There was the G.Skill Ripjaw Vwhich are $43.The MSI B550M Pro,which is 110,the 3050,which is 225.- Oh, no, bro.- What?- No!- Micro Center.Micro Center.- Your power supply,your case,and your NVMe are all $40 a piece,which totals to $638for your entire system.- Actually,that was pretty much ballparkwhat I was guessingwhen I first pulled these parts,more or less.I think I saved somemoney on case and whatnotthat made up the cost of the GPU.So, not bad.What is it again?- 638.- I think Ispent 200 bucks on mine.- I think you are wrong, my friend.Judge!- All right,so, onto Austin's pricing.- Yeah.How bad was it?How much money were my components?- So your CPU,which is the i7-3930K was $20 on eBay.- Excellent.- So, that works out.- Good start.- Your RAM,which you used four sticks offor some reason.- It's a quad channel memory setup.I need the maximum bandwidth.- Yeah, that was $70.- Whoa!(Ken laughing)- Dude, it DDR3.People, like,toss it out their car windowslike they're littering.- Your motherboard was $70.- No!It was not!No, it was not!What?- Your power supply,which is an EVGA 500B.- Yep.- $35.- Wait!That was what it was new 10 years ago!What are you talking about?What?Dude, these eBay prices are rigged, man.- No.Hey, I actually gave youthe benefit of doubt.I gave you the prices on the lower-end.I found one power supply for $35.All the other oneswere going for like frigging 50for some reasonfor 10-year-old parts.- Hey, let the record be known.Let the record be knownthat I'm feeling very confident right now.- Oh, God.- Your 780 was $50.- That's still a lot.That's actually too much.- That's way cheaperthan I was expecting.- Oh, my God.- Your Samsung SSD was $25.- Okay. Sure.- The case that you got,which is like the donor case, whatever,we will count that as $36,which is what we boughtit for at Goodwill.Something that youprobably didn't realize.- That's the most expensive thingin his case, isn't it?- Yes, it is.It is a $90 cooler.- No!How much is that?- So your total for the systemcomes out to $396.That's $396.So I ran the Cinebenchmulti-core threaded,and that turned out to be 5,308.- That's a lot.- And after we didthe price to performance conversion on it,you have a CPU score of 27.Yeah, there was actuallysome complicated math,which we'll probably just showon the screen real quick.- We'll show on screenhow we actually did the calculations.But, okay.So, basically, 27 now.More is better in this scenario, right?I want more CPU points.- Yes.- That's fine.Ken, where are you at?You surely got like 22, right?21 maybe?- Ken's Cinebench scoreis 10,705.- Oh, no, that's bad.- And then after we ran itthrough the little conversion thing,your CPU score is 34.- Oh,that's actually pretty close.That's a narrow victory.Do you wanna go next?- No,we're gonna start with you.- Oh, that's a good sign.- Okay, go ahead.Hit me.- So the mighty 780got a Time Spy score,which I was very surprisedthat it could even do Time Spy.- I did not realizethat it actually had DX12.Okay, yeah.Time Spy,so my graphics points per dollar.Again, I want the most amountof points per dollar I can get.- Yeah.So the Time Spy score was 2,824.- That's not good.- And then after you dothe little conversion,it is a score of 14.- Okay.- Oh, boy.Okay.- All right.- So the Time Spy scorethe 3050 did was 6,472.And then after we do a little conversion,it is a score of 20.- Wait, what?Wait.Wait, 20?- Dude.I mean, like,I know that the margin wasn't that bad,but I mean, it's like,that's more than that.I don't know why you're cheering.- I thought that-- Yeah,it turns out his scorewas more than double.- Oh, okay.I got a little excited.So, we just add these two togetherand get the scores?- Yeah.So, you just add them up together.- Okay.I could do the math here.- You sure?- Carry the 1.41 points for me?- That is correct.- Okay.So my score is 41.Okay.Ken?- Mine's pretty easy.You just four plus zero.- Minus 20.- Four plus zero is four.And then three plus two is five.So 54.- So are you trying to tell methat a 10 year newer component listwas still very expensiveand only barely beat meprice to performance wise?So, basicallyI came real close to winning.Is that the argument here?- So what we're trying to say is,probably buy new components.- No.Buy 10-year-old components.That's a better idea.- But I didn't say that's who won.- Oh, what?- Because we havesome demerits to hand out.- Oh, is your system not new?Is your system not new?Is this thing full of old components?- Is it?- I don't know!Let's find out!- I thought these would all be availableat Micro Center.- What's the demerit?- So, Austin-- No, no, no, no, no.Start with Ken.I'm fine.- All of your componentsactually are indeed 10 years or older.- Yes!Okay, so I get no demerits, then.I'm fine, right?- No, you still get demerits.- For what?For what?- Because you didoriginally pick out partsthat didn't work.- What?I picked a component.How was I supposed to knowit wasn't gonna work?- The main part of the demerit isjust look at your PC.That thing is going to die in, like,that thing is gonna dieas soon as we turn it onand you play any other game.- Okay, you know what?Point taken.Fair.- All of these, like,peripheral whatever thingsequal up to one demit.One demerit is 10% off your final score.- You can give me that back.So, basically,because my system is a fire hazard,you're giving me a 10% dock to my points?- Yes.Your new total score is 37.- So 37 is my actual score.- Okay.Lay it out to me, judge.All right.What we got?- Your 3050is technically not sold at Micro Center.(Austin cheering)Your exact one.- Micro Center!- So that is the 8 gig 3050 ZOTAC.They sell one other one that is a 3050,that is 8 gig.It's just not the exact one.- We're going by exact ones?- So I'm letting it go.- Okay.- But I'm lettingyou off with a warning.- Thanks, officer.- I'm lettingyou off with a warning.Also, you know,the general criteria is,it should have been a couple of years old.Again, some of these partsare very borderline.Your case was released in 2018.- Come on.- I will admit that the casetechnically does not directlyattribute to performance,except, you know,maybe airflow and all that stuff.So I'm only giving youhalf a demerit for that.- Wait.If he gets half a demerit,I could've just builta 2012 cardboard box.- Well,we did literally beg you not to do this.- Fair, fair, fair.My bad, my bad, my bad.Okay.Half a demerit.That's a good start.What else we got?- Your RAMwas released in 2015.(Austin laughing)- As per the standard of RAM,it's the right RAM.I don't know what else to tell you.- That is correct.They do sell it at Micro Center-- That's the criteria.- But I'm still giving you demeritbecause 2015, dude!- The speed is what matters.- And the last demeritthat you will get,it's because your 56Xis also fairly old.It was released in 2020.- That's morethan two years ago, Ken.- I mean,they still sell them at Micro Center, too.- It's one year, two years,three years, four years.- I think it goesto the spirit of the video,which is new,like new, new.Not just likeI can buy these components new.It's like,oh, this thing is released new,it has a lot of longevity.Right?'Cause we're testing basically,like, the longevityof that 10-year-old system.- Yeah.And this computer's gonna last usanother least five years.Like, huh, I don't know.- Well, I think the question is,there's clearly some demerits here,but do you have that many demeritsto knock you down?- Yes.So it totals to a 35% demerit.Ken's new total score is 35.- I win.We did it, little buddy!- By the skin of your teeth.- We win!- By the skin of your teeth.- Thank you very muchfor watchingthis episode of BROKE versus PRO.Subscribe to the channel,Ringling the dingling button.Let everyone know in the commentsthat Alex totally robbed Kenbecause I won, baby!Sorry, one second.It was great.I was an honor doing,you know, competition with you.Look forward to, you know,nothing but the best in the future.We won, (beep)!Let's go!Yeah, that was some bullshit.You should've won that.(everyone laughing)Sad music plays.(melancholic music)(everyone laughing)Ken's gonna be grumpy all day.- You bet I will.