**Using Messiah Combustor and 3DMark to Max Out Board Power**

When it comes to overclocking, there are several factors to consider. One important aspect is board power. Using a Messiah Combustor can help maximize board power, but it's essential to use the right tools to validate the results. 3DMark is a popular tool for benchmarking graphics cards, but it may not accurately reflect the maximum board power.

To get accurate results, some users recommend running Fir Mark before and after using a Messiah Combustor. This will help ensure that the board power is indeed increased by the overclocking process. However, 3DMark's limitations in handling extreme board powers can lead to inaccurate readings. By running lower than the maximum board power, the test results may not accurately reflect the true performance of the card.

In our experience, using Fir Mark has proven to be a reliable method for validating the effectiveness of a Messiah Combustor. This is because it allows us to run at the highest possible speed settings without hitting the maximum board power limit. By comparing the results before and after using the Messiah Combustor, we can confirm that the overclocking process is indeed increasing the board power.

**Force Flashing and Command Line Options**

When dealing with stubborn issues, force flashing may be necessary to apply the correct V BIOS. However, this process can sometimes lead to errors or unexpected behavior. To avoid these issues, some users recommend using command line options to ignore any errors that may occur during the flashing process.

In our experience, forcing a flash and ignoring any errors has proven to be an effective method for resolving issues with MSI Gaming Laptops. This involves using a bootable key and adding a flag to the command prompt to suppress any error messages. By doing so, we can apply the V BIOS without being limited by software restrictions.

**Validation and Verification**

To ensure that our overclocking setup is working correctly, it's essential to validate the results through multiple tests. One critical step in this process is running an average frequency test over a prolonged period of time. This will help us confirm whether the clock speed remains stable or if there are any issues with the system.

Additionally, we recommend checking for any temperature increases, as overclocking can sometimes lead to higher temperatures. By monitoring the system's thermal output, we can take steps to mitigate these effects and ensure that our system remains stable.

**Important Notes and Considerations**

When dealing with advanced overclocking techniques, it's essential to be aware of certain limitations and potential issues. For example, some models may not have a V BIOS at all, in which case a different type of overclocking software or method is necessary. Additionally, temperatures may increase during overclocking, so it's crucial to monitor the system's thermal output and take steps to mitigate these effects.

Finally, we want to emphasize that we are not IT specialists and should not be relied upon for technical support. If you're experiencing issues with your system, we recommend reaching out to the manufacturer directly or seeking assistance from a qualified professional.

**Conclusion**

Using Messiah Combustor and 3DMark can help us validate the effectiveness of our overclocking setup. However, it's essential to be aware of the limitations and potential issues that may arise during this process. By running multiple tests and taking steps to mitigate any issues, we can ensure that our system remains stable and performs at its best.

Additionally, force flashing and command line options may be necessary in some cases, but these processes should be approached with caution. It's essential to monitor the system's thermal output and take steps to mitigate any temperature increases.

By following these guidelines and taking a thoughtful approach to overclocking, we can unlock the full potential of our systems and achieve impressive performance levels.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthe and the rx 5600 XT jebaited Edition video cards launched today and the company created a mess by completely changing what the video card was meant to do before launch basically it initially shipped as more of a 1660 super competitor but it ended up being overhauled to become a 2060 competitor this is overall a good thing from a price competition standpoint but a horrible mess for buyers and manufacturers of the cards the update came in the form of a V BIOS flash that can increase performance upwards of 11 percent as shown in our review but not all of the shipped cards have the V bios applied meaning customers will be buying cards that perform worse than what the reviews will show which is a bit misleading at the best we're still some cards will never have that V bios available with some partners splitting their 5600 XT into two SKUs it's sort of be like if the 1660 and 1660 super were sold under a single name although NVIDIA has done that in the past with the GT 1030 but with two completely different performance classes in today's video we're going to help you flash a 5,600 XT card to unlock the full performance assuming your card has made such a V bios available and this also applies to other AMD cards that like the 5700 XT before that this video is brought to you by Linode cloud computing we've trusted Linode as our web host since 2012 and recommend it for excellent technical and customer support reliable uptime and clean interface aside from cloud hosting lynda.com recently added GPU hosting plans for machine learning and neural net use built with RT X 6000 GPUs and 10 gigabit per second network speeds they're also starting to deploy epic CPUs in their servers sign up for Linode comm cloud computing with code g @ nexus 24 a $20 credit or click the link in the description below to visit linda.com slash gamers nexus we don't often do tutorials these days so this is a bit different content for us this will be useful for you even if you're not buying a 5600 XT if you have a 5,700 and you just want a different V BIOS on there this will help out it all still applies and we're gonna be a bit more pointed in this video and just go through the steps there's also going to be an article links below on gamers access net where you can walk through the steps there and the downloads will be of be made available on the site as well so a couple of disclaimers we need to go over it's possible to break your video card by doing this incorrectly the V bio splashes if it's not compatible with the device you could end up with just a black screen if you have dual V bios like you do on this card you can switch the other one recover it no problems at all if you make a backup file a desktop you can potentially recover it and will provide instructions for that so just be very clear that you understand the V bios you've downloaded will work for the card that you have the manufacturer should list the specific v bios if it's not listed on their website in a clear way email them don't just download a power color v bios and try to put on a sapphire card most likely you'll be blocked from doing that anyway so you should be safe but if you force the flash you could end up with a switch outputting black for your video and that is cut that is recoverable if you plan for it secondly make sure you understand what this does this will increase the power consumption of the video card if that changes whether your power supply is still compatible you need to be aware of it we have power benchmarks in our review and we also have frequency benchmarks you'll get a frequency bump upwards of maybe 120 hundred forty megahertz so it will improve performance by upwards of eleven percent but it depends on the card and the model not all of them used all the additional power Headroom because not all of them were designed for it so that's something to keep in mind as well your thermals also will increase so you might need to increase the fan speed or it may be increased for you in the v bios some of the 5600 X T's are not designed in a way to readily cope with the increased power consumption so look around for reviews of specific models that you have we reviewed the sapphire pulse for a launch day we're looking at this one next and just be aware of what they're built to handle sometimes on flashing V BIOS you might get an error message that says it won't work and it won't let you flash it via the software which is our preferred method so if you want to force the flash anyway you can use command line or you can boot to a USB key and use a flag to force flash it but if it doesn't work then and you don't have a backup you potentially do screw yourself over so just we have instructions on creating a batch file to help out with that let's get into some of the steps and just walk through it one at a time so number one this is a safe procedure as long as you know what you're doing it's really not dangerous at all I just build up the potential for breaking things because make sure everyone thinks about it so it doesn't happen the V BIOS flash is also something that AMD did officially so it's supposed to ship on most of the cards eventually I'll talk about that more in a separate video too not all of them if you don't see one for your card it's either coming later or sorry you got screwed you bought the wrong card but either way this is something that AMD pushed down it's not like it's a hack or a mod so first up download B by us from the video card vendor on their official website we have an example power colors done a great listing for their support page already you can download straight from the support site in this instance if not listed publicly contact support with the part number or product number and make certain that it matches the V BIOS you've downloaded second step is to download an DVD flash and unzip it and then install it if you download the exe version we will post a link in the description and in our article below where you can get the software the next step is to make sure your v bios switch is set to the position that you want to flash so technically you could boot into windows with this card installed which has a dual v bios and you can flash both of those switches in the same boot session without restarting in between we wouldn't recommend this because if something goes wrong you don't have an easy backup the way these switches are supposed to be used is that you basically only ever use one so if you want to flash the OC bios to the new performance or OC bios which is the leftmost position on this specific card not the same on all of them then you boot with that one set and you run the flash utility you apply the flash program it and reboot and don't touch the other one once you confirm that the OC ones working you can switch it to the other one you could do that in Windows or before you start up to you and flash the other one confirm that that one works if it doesn't if it's a black screen you can switch back into the OC v bios boot because you know that one works and then reflash so you'd switch this back over one more time to the position that you want to change and recover reflash it and confirm it works we would generally most people only ever use one so if that's the case with you if you just want to flash it and forget about it just flash the performance of the OC one if that's what you want and leave the other one alone whichever that is and just never touch it because if you've confirmed it we're there's really no reason to mess with it if you're not going to use it the next step is to launch AMD vb flash as administrator save the current v bios by clicking save give it a name and save it on the local system in the AMD vb flash folder to make sure future recovery is easy in case you need to navigate blindly for purposes of our recovery batch file we're going to provide we are going to assume a few names and file locations so we are assuming you're naming the file old - B BIOS one rom and if that's not true then just update the batch file with the correct name we are also assuming that your AMD VB flash install is located in c program files slash and the slash AMD vb flash and then at the top level in that directory don't put any spaces in the names just for safety and we'd also encourage saving it to a bootable USB key as a backup and it's good practice to hold on to the old v bios basically permanently - in case you ever need to put it back on there so save it somewhere and keep it if for example you have to send your card in six months from now for a warranty or RMA purposes it's really best not to give the manufacturer any ammunition to deny your claim we think that you're in the right for doing that because this is an AMD sanctioned thing and even if you weren't in the right to do that who cares they don't need the help anyway so you can just flash the old one back on there no one will ever know that you change the BIOS so just save it and you can put it back on there if you need to send the card in for some other reason like a fan replacement or whatever so good to have as a backup next it is time to make some recovery steps so this is a breakout section this tutorial before we finish the flash is very easy stuff up at this point it's worth creating a batch file on desktop that you can run blind the point of this is if your card puts out black screens after you do the flash and it seems bricked you'd still boot into Windows normally you'd type your password if applicable and hit enter you get to desktop you can't see any of it of course at this point you might be able to use onboard video if you have that but if you're really screwed you get no video out then just click where you know there's going to be desktop you could do windows D to minimize everything if you're worried that windows restore the session of some kind so click on the top right type in the first few letters ie recovery bat for jumping to the batch file and then hit enter and hopefully it'll just run blind and you'll be able to recover and separately if you have dual V BIOS you don't need to worry about any of this just switch the other one and recover it that way so at this point if you are in this recovery breakout step because something went wrong in the next step which is the actual progression then give it maybe five minutes ten minutes to be safe let it run and then reboot and come back and and actually I can write that into the batch file to you just in case and hopefully it'll work and if it doesn't then I don't know RMA it or something so next steps the information for that batch file that'll be in the description below or the article as well alright so now you're ready for the only part that really matters we just click program select the Nuvi bios and hopefully it works and it'll tell you it's successful and to restart when complete restart the system come back in and validate in order to validate that this actually worked what you need to do is well one before running the flash utility you ideally just run something simple so run 3dmark for example and get an idea for frequency you should really log it so you should run gpu-z newest version and able log in and run a full pass of say a three mark firestrike whatever the free option is out there or time spy and save that log file and then what you do later is run it again after the flash and compare the GPU core frequency old versus new and it also be worth running fir mark before and after you can use a messiah combustor as well what that will do is completely max out the board power so 3dmark will not do that you'll run lower than the maximum board power and almost all instances with fir mark it's a power virus it will totally max the power limit and you can compare and make sure that if you're going from 150 to 160 what the bios you will see 150 and 160 all the new you know that it worked if you're still seeing 150 in my arbitrary example or the frequency hasn't changed then the best way to force it to work is to reinstall the drivers not sure what happens but in our experience we've done this a lot now sometimes something gets stuck or screwy and and these drivers a big surprise and you have to ddu them and reinstall clean and then it seems like it'll pick up does the V bias it's a physical chip on the board it's a firmware chip that you're flashing has really not a whole lot to do with the drivers but something gets stuck and that'll fix it if it doesn't look like it's applied on functioning so that's how you validate it works ideally check your frequencies run an average against them for the the course of the test and see if it looks like it's higher note that fir mark will be lower frequency because the clock doesn't enumerate the same way and then if you get an error message and you were unable to program the via bios through the software first quadruple check everything make sure your flash in the cracks file on the correct card and the board partner should have instructions on the product ID or the serial number to identify the correct v bios file if you're confused at all email them it's not my job to provide you support for their card I'm not going to help you if you ask me in the comments what you should use I'm sorry email the company that made the money from you when they sold you the card because I didn't make anything for that so not my job if they're able to help you and or if you identify that was the correct v bios is just Salters not working two options company might have an exe you can just run as administrator and walk away from it it'll work you don't need to do any of this stuff the other one is that you can force flash it and use command line or a bootable key and you add a flag to the command to ignore any errors and apply the v bios anyway in instances where it should work in software was preventing it from working for whatever reason this always fixes it for us in instances where it shouldn't work and software is protecting you from an error then this will not protect you from that same error so you might end up breaking the car door and I up with a black screen or it just might not work anyway and that's why you need the validation step alright so we'll provide links for all that stuff and additional detail in the article this is really more of an article type topic than a video but more people do look at videos these days so on to do both and that's really kind of it you should be good to go now you'll get an 11% uplift on average from a sapphire pulse not every card is gonna do the same I haven't tested this yet at time of filming so this number might change but I've been told that it's about 8% on this model I don't know if that's total will look into it but either way it's gonna vary a bit and then keep in mind that some models will never have a V bios for them they're just going to release a different one called OC or something later so this is a different topic but it's a situation where Andy has basically created two video cards with one name by accident and it's going to be confusing for a while as a result also keep in mind that your temperatures will go up see so you might need to mitigate for that and that'll be it thanks for watching subscribe for more check back for our next video where we're going to be talking about some of the review policies and issues with Andy's launched with the d600 xt of this video didn't illustrate them enough also be hopefully reviewing this separately in a video and if you need any help then post comments to talk with the other people watching this or post a send an email to the manufacturer because like I said not my job I didn't get paid for it they did thanks for watching subscribe for more get asteroid eye cameras access net to helps out directly that doesn't guarantee you any support wanna make very clear that I'm not helping anybody with this because I'm not an IT desk and you can go to patreon.com/scishow and access as well I'll see you all next timethe and the rx 5600 XT jebaited Edition video cards launched today and the company created a mess by completely changing what the video card was meant to do before launch basically it initially shipped as more of a 1660 super competitor but it ended up being overhauled to become a 2060 competitor this is overall a good thing from a price competition standpoint but a horrible mess for buyers and manufacturers of the cards the update came in the form of a V BIOS flash that can increase performance upwards of 11 percent as shown in our review but not all of the shipped cards have the V bios applied meaning customers will be buying cards that perform worse than what the reviews will show which is a bit misleading at the best we're still some cards will never have that V bios available with some partners splitting their 5600 XT into two SKUs it's sort of be like if the 1660 and 1660 super were sold under a single name although NVIDIA has done that in the past with the GT 1030 but with two completely different performance classes in today's video we're going to help you flash a 5,600 XT card to unlock the full performance assuming your card has made such a V bios available and this also applies to other AMD cards that like the 5700 XT before that this video is brought to you by Linode cloud computing we've trusted Linode as our web host since 2012 and recommend it for excellent technical and customer support reliable uptime and clean interface aside from cloud hosting lynda.com recently added GPU hosting plans for machine learning and neural net use built with RT X 6000 GPUs and 10 gigabit per second network speeds they're also starting to deploy epic CPUs in their servers sign up for Linode comm cloud computing with code g @ nexus 24 a $20 credit or click the link in the description below to visit linda.com slash gamers nexus we don't often do tutorials these days so this is a bit different content for us this will be useful for you even if you're not buying a 5600 XT if you have a 5,700 and you just want a different V BIOS on there this will help out it all still applies and we're gonna be a bit more pointed in this video and just go through the steps there's also going to be an article links below on gamers access net where you can walk through the steps there and the downloads will be of be made available on the site as well so a couple of disclaimers we need to go over it's possible to break your video card by doing this incorrectly the V bio splashes if it's not compatible with the device you could end up with just a black screen if you have dual V bios like you do on this card you can switch the other one recover it no problems at all if you make a backup file a desktop you can potentially recover it and will provide instructions for that so just be very clear that you understand the V bios you've downloaded will work for the card that you have the manufacturer should list the specific v bios if it's not listed on their website in a clear way email them don't just download a power color v bios and try to put on a sapphire card most likely you'll be blocked from doing that anyway so you should be safe but if you force the flash you could end up with a switch outputting black for your video and that is cut that is recoverable if you plan for it secondly make sure you understand what this does this will increase the power consumption of the video card if that changes whether your power supply is still compatible you need to be aware of it we have power benchmarks in our review and we also have frequency benchmarks you'll get a frequency bump upwards of maybe 120 hundred forty megahertz so it will improve performance by upwards of eleven percent but it depends on the card and the model not all of them used all the additional power Headroom because not all of them were designed for it so that's something to keep in mind as well your thermals also will increase so you might need to increase the fan speed or it may be increased for you in the v bios some of the 5600 X T's are not designed in a way to readily cope with the increased power consumption so look around for reviews of specific models that you have we reviewed the sapphire pulse for a launch day we're looking at this one next and just be aware of what they're built to handle sometimes on flashing V BIOS you might get an error message that says it won't work and it won't let you flash it via the software which is our preferred method so if you want to force the flash anyway you can use command line or you can boot to a USB key and use a flag to force flash it but if it doesn't work then and you don't have a backup you potentially do screw yourself over so just we have instructions on creating a batch file to help out with that let's get into some of the steps and just walk through it one at a time so number one this is a safe procedure as long as you know what you're doing it's really not dangerous at all I just build up the potential for breaking things because make sure everyone thinks about it so it doesn't happen the V BIOS flash is also something that AMD did officially so it's supposed to ship on most of the cards eventually I'll talk about that more in a separate video too not all of them if you don't see one for your card it's either coming later or sorry you got screwed you bought the wrong card but either way this is something that AMD pushed down it's not like it's a hack or a mod so first up download B by us from the video card vendor on their official website we have an example power colors done a great listing for their support page already you can download straight from the support site in this instance if not listed publicly contact support with the part number or product number and make certain that it matches the V BIOS you've downloaded second step is to download an DVD flash and unzip it and then install it if you download the exe version we will post a link in the description and in our article below where you can get the software the next step is to make sure your v bios switch is set to the position that you want to flash so technically you could boot into windows with this card installed which has a dual v bios and you can flash both of those switches in the same boot session without restarting in between we wouldn't recommend this because if something goes wrong you don't have an easy backup the way these switches are supposed to be used is that you basically only ever use one so if you want to flash the OC bios to the new performance or OC bios which is the leftmost position on this specific card not the same on all of them then you boot with that one set and you run the flash utility you apply the flash program it and reboot and don't touch the other one once you confirm that the OC ones working you can switch it to the other one you could do that in Windows or before you start up to you and flash the other one confirm that that one works if it doesn't if it's a black screen you can switch back into the OC v bios boot because you know that one works and then reflash so you'd switch this back over one more time to the position that you want to change and recover reflash it and confirm it works we would generally most people only ever use one so if that's the case with you if you just want to flash it and forget about it just flash the performance of the OC one if that's what you want and leave the other one alone whichever that is and just never touch it because if you've confirmed it we're there's really no reason to mess with it if you're not going to use it the next step is to launch AMD vb flash as administrator save the current v bios by clicking save give it a name and save it on the local system in the AMD vb flash folder to make sure future recovery is easy in case you need to navigate blindly for purposes of our recovery batch file we're going to provide we are going to assume a few names and file locations so we are assuming you're naming the file old - B BIOS one rom and if that's not true then just update the batch file with the correct name we are also assuming that your AMD VB flash install is located in c program files slash and the slash AMD vb flash and then at the top level in that directory don't put any spaces in the names just for safety and we'd also encourage saving it to a bootable USB key as a backup and it's good practice to hold on to the old v bios basically permanently - in case you ever need to put it back on there so save it somewhere and keep it if for example you have to send your card in six months from now for a warranty or RMA purposes it's really best not to give the manufacturer any ammunition to deny your claim we think that you're in the right for doing that because this is an AMD sanctioned thing and even if you weren't in the right to do that who cares they don't need the help anyway so you can just flash the old one back on there no one will ever know that you change the BIOS so just save it and you can put it back on there if you need to send the card in for some other reason like a fan replacement or whatever so good to have as a backup next it is time to make some recovery steps so this is a breakout section this tutorial before we finish the flash is very easy stuff up at this point it's worth creating a batch file on desktop that you can run blind the point of this is if your card puts out black screens after you do the flash and it seems bricked you'd still boot into Windows normally you'd type your password if applicable and hit enter you get to desktop you can't see any of it of course at this point you might be able to use onboard video if you have that but if you're really screwed you get no video out then just click where you know there's going to be desktop you could do windows D to minimize everything if you're worried that windows restore the session of some kind so click on the top right type in the first few letters ie recovery bat for jumping to the batch file and then hit enter and hopefully it'll just run blind and you'll be able to recover and separately if you have dual V BIOS you don't need to worry about any of this just switch the other one and recover it that way so at this point if you are in this recovery breakout step because something went wrong in the next step which is the actual progression then give it maybe five minutes ten minutes to be safe let it run and then reboot and come back and and actually I can write that into the batch file to you just in case and hopefully it'll work and if it doesn't then I don't know RMA it or something so next steps the information for that batch file that'll be in the description below or the article as well alright so now you're ready for the only part that really matters we just click program select the Nuvi bios and hopefully it works and it'll tell you it's successful and to restart when complete restart the system come back in and validate in order to validate that this actually worked what you need to do is well one before running the flash utility you ideally just run something simple so run 3dmark for example and get an idea for frequency you should really log it so you should run gpu-z newest version and able log in and run a full pass of say a three mark firestrike whatever the free option is out there or time spy and save that log file and then what you do later is run it again after the flash and compare the GPU core frequency old versus new and it also be worth running fir mark before and after you can use a messiah combustor as well what that will do is completely max out the board power so 3dmark will not do that you'll run lower than the maximum board power and almost all instances with fir mark it's a power virus it will totally max the power limit and you can compare and make sure that if you're going from 150 to 160 what the bios you will see 150 and 160 all the new you know that it worked if you're still seeing 150 in my arbitrary example or the frequency hasn't changed then the best way to force it to work is to reinstall the drivers not sure what happens but in our experience we've done this a lot now sometimes something gets stuck or screwy and and these drivers a big surprise and you have to ddu them and reinstall clean and then it seems like it'll pick up does the V bias it's a physical chip on the board it's a firmware chip that you're flashing has really not a whole lot to do with the drivers but something gets stuck and that'll fix it if it doesn't look like it's applied on functioning so that's how you validate it works ideally check your frequencies run an average against them for the the course of the test and see if it looks like it's higher note that fir mark will be lower frequency because the clock doesn't enumerate the same way and then if you get an error message and you were unable to program the via bios through the software first quadruple check everything make sure your flash in the cracks file on the correct card and the board partner should have instructions on the product ID or the serial number to identify the correct v bios file if you're confused at all email them it's not my job to provide you support for their card I'm not going to help you if you ask me in the comments what you should use I'm sorry email the company that made the money from you when they sold you the card because I didn't make anything for that so not my job if they're able to help you and or if you identify that was the correct v bios is just Salters not working two options company might have an exe you can just run as administrator and walk away from it it'll work you don't need to do any of this stuff the other one is that you can force flash it and use command line or a bootable key and you add a flag to the command to ignore any errors and apply the v bios anyway in instances where it should work in software was preventing it from working for whatever reason this always fixes it for us in instances where it shouldn't work and software is protecting you from an error then this will not protect you from that same error so you might end up breaking the car door and I up with a black screen or it just might not work anyway and that's why you need the validation step alright so we'll provide links for all that stuff and additional detail in the article this is really more of an article type topic than a video but more people do look at videos these days so on to do both and that's really kind of it you should be good to go now you'll get an 11% uplift on average from a sapphire pulse not every card is gonna do the same I haven't tested this yet at time of filming so this number might change but I've been told that it's about 8% on this model I don't know if that's total will look into it but either way it's gonna vary a bit and then keep in mind that some models will never have a V bios for them they're just going to release a different one called OC or something later so this is a different topic but it's a situation where Andy has basically created two video cards with one name by accident and it's going to be confusing for a while as a result also keep in mind that your temperatures will go up see so you might need to mitigate for that and that'll be it thanks for watching subscribe for more check back for our next video where we're going to be talking about some of the review policies and issues with Andy's launched with the d600 xt of this video didn't illustrate them enough also be hopefully reviewing this separately in a video and if you need any help then post comments to talk with the other people watching this or post a send an email to the manufacturer because like I said not my job I didn't get paid for it they did thanks for watching subscribe for more get asteroid eye cameras access net to helps out directly that doesn't guarantee you any support wanna make very clear that I'm not helping anybody with this because I'm not an IT desk and you can go to patreon.com/scishow and access as well I'll see you all next time\n"