2020 Cadillac XT6 First Impressions; Why Are Wagons Going Away _ Talking Cars #213

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**We Just Bought a Brand New Cadillac XT6 SUV**

We have recently acquired a brand new Cadillac XT6 SUV and are excited to share our first impressions with you.

**The Passing of a Beloved Station Wagon**

Unfortunately, we must also take a moment to mourn the passing of a beloved station wagon. This iconic vehicle has been a staple in many families for generations, and its loss is deeply felt.

**New Safety Features: Can You Trust Them?**

In this segment, we will delve into the latest safety features available on the new Cadillac XT6 SUV. We'll explore whether these cutting-edge technologies can be trusted to keep you safe on the road.

**Power-Train Innovations: A Closer Look**

Next, we'll examine the power-train innovations that are making waves in the automotive world. Will these advancements bring significant improvements to your driving experience?

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enWe just bought a brandnew Cadillac XT6 SUV.And we offer ourfirst impressions.Then, we mourn the deathof a beloved station wagonand answer your questionsabout whether youcan trust new safety andpower-train technologies.Next on \"Talking Cars.\"Hey, we're back.I'm Keith Barry.I'm Jake Fisher.I'm Gabe Shenhar.And there's been alot of news about--I don't know if you've heardabout it-- but Corvette,the electric F-150.That stuff's beentalked about to death.So we're going to talkabout a death of a car thatis a popular one.We're going to do a littlein memoriam segment,like at the Oscars, for theGolf Alltrack and the Golf SportWagon.Volkswagen confirmed they'redone at the end of 2019.It's sad becausethis is a car that--I mean, I think thisannouncement wiped outabout 20% of our viewer andreader listener questions.People love this car.So why is it dying?The death of the wagon.I mean, we've been talkingabout it for a long time.And it's really tragic.I mean, we'reseeing them go away.And this was kind of the last--one of the last holdouts, right?I mean, there was definitelya following for it.You can get itwith a stick shift.I know.I know.I think you canget it brown, too.Can't you?I think.Yeah.So the requirements ofall auto journalist.But I mean, the truth is--I mean, we all know the answer.They've morphedinto SUVs, right?The SUVs are wagons of today.And they're more desirable.They could sell themat a higher price pointbecause they're perceived--you're getting more--because you getthe fender flares,and you get an extrainch of ground clearanceon knobby tires.They tried to do thatwith the Alltrackand tried to make a littlemore rough and tumble,but we're going down this pathand there's no coming back.The Tiguan's basically whatkilled the Golf Alltrack.Right.And when most customerscome into a VW showroomand see a Tiguan at the sameprice as an Alltrack, then--And similar fuel economy.Yeah.And unless you're somereal die-hard europhile,then you're going tobe drawn to the Tiguan.More room, regularfuel, so much moredesigned towards theAmerican consumer.Also, a few other thingsthat I want to mention herein this context.The Volkswagen is getting readyfor the eight generation Golfanyway.So this car is inits twilight anyway.Another thing isthat Volkswagen isin the midst ofreshaping its imageand trying to portray itselfas this future companyover the electric car.But also drive bigger.Part of it is some obligationbecause of the Dieselgate.And also-- and these cars, boththe Golf Wagon and Alltrackare a little plagued bythe whole Dieselgate.Yeah, I think that's areally interesting thing.Because this car appealedto a bunch of little niches,that when combined together,made a market segment.But when you cut outthe diesel niche,that means that youonly have this sortof European manualwagon enthusiasts.And for the general population,I mean, we loved it.Our review, I haveit right here.The road test was excellent.The only thing on there,actually, the predicted ownersatisfaction wasactually kind of low.So I think maybepeople who boughtthese cars realized maybe thisisn't what I actually wanted.So I think--Well, and there'sprobably a little bitof Dieselgate in there, too.Yeah, yeah.Like, oh, yeah, I thought I wassaving the world and turns out,not so much.So there's a bunchof issues there.But I mean, look, yeah,you're absolutely right,it's the Tiguan.But I mean, I guessthe bright sideis that those small SUVsand all other categories,they've gotten so much better.I mean, we have gone notthat many years from,like, thesetruck-based truckletsthat were bad at virtuallyeverything, right?Two vehicles that get goodfuel economy, drive nice.There's not that muchdifference, really,in the driving experienceof some of these small SUVsand like a small wagon.So let's say Istill want a small--I mean, one of our cameraand producer folk over there,Andrew, was talkingwith me earlierbefore the show,when we were talkingabout what the topics were.And he said, I can'tbelieve they killed this.It was a car Iwas interested in.Let's help out--Hi, Andrew.Let's help you out.What can his family get fora car that's like this goingforward, if he doesn't--and I should say thatthey're going to make--Volkswagen isstill going to keepmaking this until the end of2019, so you're not out of luckyet.But next year, at thistime, what's out there,aside from the Subaru Crosstrek?Well, I mean, so first of all,the difference between here.Let's get real.I mean, we talk aboutthis all the time,because we classify carswhen we put in the ratings.And there's like,what's a wagon?What's a hatchback?And we're talking about,well, get the protractorsout, and the angle of therear glass, and whatnot.I mean, this was truly a wagon.I mean, this was a lotof room back there.You look at thingslike the Mazda 3.You look at things like theSubaru and the XP Crosstrek.I mean, they'remore of hatchbacks.They're shorter, there'snot as much room in there.I mean, you almost got to goto an Outback, or something,to really get kind of thatsquared off kind of the familytruckster kind of profile.Those kind of proportionsand that same lengthwhen the seats are folded.But truly, I mean, themarket's going thereand they're gettingso much better.I mean, really, you got tolook at like a Mazda CX5.Because, I mean, really,that's what it's about.I mean, it's about the reasonthere was appeals for somethinglike this is like, OK, Iwant the functionality,I want the room, but I wantsomething that's fun to drive,and I want something that'sdrive like a truck.And now, because the smallSUVs have gotten there.I mean, you look at the CX5--actually, a friend ofmine just bought a CX5,and wouldn't dreamof getting an SUV.I wanted a car.She wound up--she had an Altima.Got rid of the Altima.And got the CX5.And she's like, wow, this drivesway better than the Altima.And I'm like, yeah.And probably gets closeto 30 miles a gallon.Right.Yeah.Right.Yeah.I mean, the wagons, truewagons, are dwindlingand have been for a while.So what you have leftis basically the Outbackand the Buick TourX.The TourX.And that's theclosest thing you'regoing to get to an European--Until you get tothe luxury segments.--the European wagon, unlessyou're talking about a MercedesE Class for about $80,000.Well, OK, thepeople have spoken.They don't want to hearabout wagons anymore.So let's stoptalking about them.And let's start talkingabout a new three row SUV.And the Cadillac XT6.We bought one.We're about to putit into testing.But beforehand, we put somebreak-in miles on it first.And all three ofus have driven itand written a firstimpressions, first drive,that's actually up atConsumerReports.org right now.What do you folks think?It's a pretty nice car.Well, what is it, first?It's GM's three rowluxury SUV, midsize,which Cadillac was lateto realize that theyhad a big gaping hole there.I mean, of course, they have theEscalade, which is a big truck.But Cadillac decided they gottired of seeing suburbia filledwith BMW and Acuras and Audis.And they decided theyneed an entry there.So the basic bones arebased on the GMC Acadia,which is not a bad thing.And the Traverseand the ..Yeah, those are a differentcut of that same platform.But anyway, the car itself,the Cadillac, it's quiet,it has a nice power-train, andthe controls are pretty good,.But you know what, there aresome glaring omissions there.Only a two way lumbar supportadjustment for $60,000.Still it.The rear windows do not auto up.There's no excuse for that.I mean, it's nice enough,and it looks good,but what does it bringto the table, really?So, yeah.I mean, I don't want to benit picky about these littlethings, but the truth is thatthere are three row SUVs thatdon't have luxury names thatare more impressive when youget into them, let's say that.I mean, you look atlike the Honda Palisade,the new Kia Telluride.I mean, these vehiclesare not just really nicelyfinished inside.Oh my gosh.Yeah.Which the Cadillac's nice.But, I mean, you couldget that with a Kia.You could get thatwith a Hyundai.But also, they're larger.And this is where I thinkthey really missed the boat.I mean, I think--you look at Cadillac.I mean, why are peoplebuying Escalades?And why are people buying theSuburbans and these things?They want a lot of room.You're paying forsomething more.And I honestly think that whatthey really should have donewas something really large.Because you could dothat on a car platform.I mean, we're seeingKia and Hyundai,they're reallypushing the limitsin terms of how much room youcould get on a vehicle thatdrives like a car.And everything hasa price, of course.And the price of theTelluride and the Palisadeis actually a lotcheaper than this XT6.Exactly.And the EPA predicts theyhave better fuel economythan the XT6.So why-- unless you want thatCadillac badge, which honestly,comparatively--I mean, it's a nice interior.It's a niceminimalist dashboard.The tech is integrated nicely.But the idea oflooking at the carsthat you said it'sbased on, and lookingat their reliabilityscores, I know that there'ssome differences between theCadillacs and the other GMs,but, I mean, these are likeone out of five as far as--If you're going to pay thatpremium price, and you dowant that extraroom, and I think--it's interesting,even the German rivalshave figured this out.I mean, they've now--now we've got theX7, the BMW X7.Now we've got the largethree row from Audi,from Mercedes Benz,even Lexus wentand they extended thelength of the Lexus RX.Well, they realizedwhere the money is.But I'll say, withall due respectto the Tellurideand the Palisade,they don't possess thatkind of handling agilitythat nowadays Cadillacwants to have.And that XT6 is prettyresponsive and nice to drive.But to the people whoare buying that vehicle,that's why you'rebuying a Cadillac.I don't think they are.I think what they'relooking for is that room.I mean, look at--Well, we can second guess themuntil we're blue in the face.We can look at data.I mean, what is Cadillacdoing well with?Escalades.Does that have thedriving agility?I mean, they build vehicleslike the CT6, or CTS,which have phenomenaldriving characteristics.I mean, these things areright up there with the bestthat the Germancompetitors can do.They're not selling them.They're selling the Escalades,which drives like a big truck.And I think they're tryingto translate those qualitiesfrom the sedans into a lineup,a family of SUV portfolio.So the question is,what do people want?I think they want theroom of the Escalade.So translate thosequalities into somethingthat's based on acar and I think theycould be much more successful.Yeah.And we'll see when we finishour full test of the vehicle.But I know in thatbackseat, in the third row,in the second row, my kneesare pretty close to the seatin front of me.I mean, it's big, andit doesn't drive--like you said, it doesn'tdrive as big of a car,but maybe a couple extrainches would set it apart.So stay tuned.We'll have ourfull test ratings--We'll be waiting for an XT7.I'm waiting for XT8.Let's just go right-- yeah,let's just go to straight--Let's go big.Let's go big.Yeah.Oh yeah.All right.So we're on to your questions.And if you have aquestion for us,send it toTalkingCars@iCloud.com.We love video questions,because then youdon't have to look at us.You can look atyourself and it's great.So we got a video questionfrom Nicholas in Quebec.And over to you.Hey, Talking Cars.I've been listening to yourpodcast since a few years now.My commute is now from maybe60 kilometers in sometimes veryheavy traffic.So I'm looking for aDSG, because I'm halfwaybetween save the manual and Iwant to have an easy commute.So the DSG is, I think, thebest transmission for me.And I want also afour wheel drive,because winter,Montreal, Canada.I'm looking forwardto your answers.And keep up the good work.Thank you.So DSG, stuck in traffic.Those two things to me feela little uncomfortable.What do you think?Yeah.Yeah, I mean, I'm afraid,not a giant fan of the DSGs,and especially in thosetypes of situations.I mean, look, I'ma little weird.I like to have a stickshift stuck in traffic,just because inevitably youkind of get in the other laneand there is nothinglike a stick shiftthat you toget that response right away.That said, DSGs,they don't do wellin that kind of stopand go situation.They wind up getting jerky,especially as they wear.We have a lot of complaints of--what happens is, yougive a little bit of gas,and then you give ita little too much gas,and then all of a suddenit just takes off,and it's hard to modulate.The truth is that just a normalautomatic is going to wind up--a normal automatic witha torque converter--I mean, the traditional stuff--that's going to work better--or even a CVT in traffic.I mean, they work pretty well.Yeah.I mean, I don't think thisguy wants a CVT in particular.But as far as dualclutch transmissions--and, I mean, they work wellin a Ferrari, or in a Porsche,when you drive them on thetrack and they give youthis kind of feel of, it'sa manual transmission,but it does the work for me,and it does it beautifully.But when you're in an ordinarycar, stuck in traffic,dual clutch transmissionsdon't do a very good jobin mimicking asituation of half clutchand modulating the clutch.So you get some jerkiness, somevibration, a feeling of, oh,the car's about to stall.And that's not something thata lot of people appreciate.I mean, and some of our audienceis probably going to say, hey,but they sold so manymillions of them.In other markets,it's more acceptable.If you're in Europe and yougrew up on manual transmissions,maybe you're more willing toaccept some level of vibrationand some of that feel.But here, in our trafficsituations, not so much.And so I'd suggest toour friend from Montrealthat he looks for aBMW 3 Series, 2014,maybe 60,000, 70,000 kilometers,and with the 8-speed automatic.That 8-speed inBMW from ZF is justbeautiful in all situations.Well, even somethinglike a Mazda 3.I mean, it works really well.It's got a traditionalpower-trainand it works really well, andit's very sporty to drive.The last generation going outwas a terrific car to drive.I've been stuck in that car--stuck in traffic inthat car-- not stuck--glad to be in that car--but stuck in traffic inMazda 3s a few times.It's 20 minutes to cross theChamplain Bridge, kind of,situation where you're goinga mile and you're just lurch,lurch.And I think thatMazda 3 really--it doesn't have the sortof luxury nameplate as--They're working on that.Yeah, yeah.And it's close.It's really close.Isn't that the highestselling car in Canada?Mazdas.Yeah.I thinklot of Mazdas up there.Yeah.But if you get a Grand Touringand with all thenot bad.Not bad.OK.So good luck.And sorry about your traffic.As long as it hasa three in the car.Yeah, right, exactly.All right.Next question isfrom Jeremy, whosays, assuming the sensorsfor driver assistance,driver aids are allfunctional and unobstructed,do you have any testing data,or experience, regardinghow these systems reactwhen they're exposed to iceor hydroplaning conditions?What about systems, likeSuper Cruise or Autopilot?Have you experienced situationswhere the car doesn't properlyassess the roadconditions and respondsin a way that is worse thanhow a driver normally would?Well, actually, I didn'thave a story when we firstgot this question.I have a story about thisthat happened yesterday.We had this sort oftorrential downpour.I was in a car withLane Keep Assist.And I'm driving and I seea giant puddle of water.And I think, I betterlay off the gas,this may be a situationwhere I could hydroplane.And I kind of tried to steer alittle bit around this puddle--highway speeds.And the Lane Keep Assist tookthe steering wheel from me.And I couldn't tell if Ididn't have steering controlbecause I was hydroplaning,or if I didn't have steeringcontrol because thecar was decidingI had crossed over its lane.So yeah, I mean, I justexperienced something similarto this question.These systems arenot good as we are.They are not anywherenear as good as we are.Not as good as in dryconditions, not as goodas we are in bad conditions.What we see is a lotof times these systemswill recognize it's rainingand shut themselves off.And it's kind of a weird thing.You're driving around inthis car, and, like, oh,it's bad conditions, it's snowy,and also, then, it's like, oh,all your safetysystems are shut off.It's like, well, that'swhat I want them, that'swhat I need you, come on.So no, absolutely.I mean, they are only asgood as their sensors.And the sensors, at leasteverything in production rightnow, they don't cleanthemselves very well.And sometimes youcan't see things.So it definitely is a problem.So I mean, when you talk aboutSuper Cruise and Autopilot,generally, youprobably don't wantto be using these systemsin really adverse weatherconditions because they're goingto be less reliable than theynormally are.overconfident driver who mightnot have experienced that.Yeah, yeah.Odds are there are alsothose situations where you'rein adaptive cruise,stop and go traffic,and the processors arejust not quick enoughto account for someonecutting in front of you,or cutting out and creatingmore space between you.Also, I've experienced that,you are in adaptive cruise,and the forward collisionwarning comes in.So isn't the adaptive cruisesupposed to take care of that?It's like before the FCW'syelling at the adaptive cruise.The systems don'ttalk to each other.What I mean-- look, Imean, don't interpretsaying how,these systems are no good,don't get them.I mean, the pointis-- well, in termsof some of the thingslike FCW and AEB,and all these types ofthings that help you,they can help you,they often do,statistically they willmake you a safer driver,but you can't rely on these.No.You still have toknow how to drive.Yeah.And especially in anadverse weather conditions.And I had a similarsituation the other dayin that thunderstormwith a BMW 3 series.I was in adaptive cruiseand all of a sudden Igot a chime and a notification,the advanced safety systemsare out of commissiontemporarily.I kind of wish I had got that,because they were still--and I'm in a rainstormhunting for wherethe button is to turn them off.So that's real safe.Good though.Exactly.No, I pulled over.I did a safe thingand pulled over.We've got anotherquestion here from Roger.Walking throughparking lots recently,I see many cars with blacksoot covered tailpipes,regardless of manufacturer.Roger, I'm glad that there'ssomeone else out there who justlooks at cars when they walkthrough the parking lot,because I do that.And at most, if notall of these carsseem to have directinjection turbo engines.With so much sootat the tailpipe,I would imaginethe carbon residueupstream must be huge, leadingto engine problems at midto higher mileage.Have your recent surveys shownany increase in engine problemswith this issue?And I mean, I'veseen this in forumswhere people talkabout sooty tailpipes.Is this an issue?Is this something-- is this acanary in a direct injectiongasoline mine?Well, I'm not just impressedthat he's looking at the cars,but also be able torecognize which oneshave direct injection turbos.So that's something really good.Well, I mean, the truth isthat with the direct injectionturbos, I mean, there is somesimilarity in terms of diesels,right?We have a longer historyin terms of diesels.There's lots of directinjection turbos now.But we do see, down the road,that some of these enginesdo have more than theirshare of problems.There's more complexity.There's more things going on.Emission treatment doestend to be more complicated.What's really interesting--we were talking about thisbefore--is these fake tail pipes, right?There definitely seemsto be something there.Now, my assumption was, like,we'll just make it look cool.And I mean, sometimeswe make fun of them,because we look underneath thecars when we check them in,and they're dumpingthe tailpipe over thereand there are these bigchrome pipes or something.But perhaps this hassomething to do with it.I wouldn't necessarilycall it soot.But I mean, myhunch is that it'ssome oil that's coming throughthe turbocharger, maybe a sealin the turbocharger that's notdoing its job, or is worn out,but not necessarily a sign ofburning oil, as in a diesel.And some cars areactually anglingthe outlet for theexhaust, so it doesn'tgo over the fake tailpipes.Some reallyinteresting trickery.I've come full circle.I got to say, atfirst, I'm like,that's ridiculous, why dowe have fake tailpipes?But it's like, one,yes, there's this issue.The other thing is the otherday I was actually-- changingthe subject completely.I hope that's OK.But I'm walking by and I'mjust taking something outof the trunk of one of the cars.And I got my legs up againstthe tailpipe and it gets hot.And I'm like, wow, I wish I hadone of those fake tailpipes,because those wouldbe nice and cool.So it's a safetyissue there, too.Yeah.I'm answeringdifferent questions.I mean, the answer essentiallyis, yeah, maybe so.I mean, are these engineproblems-- are these expensive?is it a reason not to buy acar with direct injection?Well, it all dependson the vehicle.So what we generally seeis certain types of engineshave more problems,some less problems.And there's goodones and bad ones.So some of those earlyHyundai's, I think, right?Take a look at ourreliability ratings.It's kind of piecemeal.It all depends onwhat the vehicle is.It's kind of like whenhybrids came out, like,hybrids are unreliable and theywell, some do,some don't.It all depends.Depends.Yeah.OK.Cool.So keep looking atcars in parking lots.Yeah.And send in the questionsabout them, too.Yeah.It's great.Although, if there's aperson in the car, sometimesthey look at you really funny.It's OK though, justkeep on doing it.Exactly.Paul in Baltimorehas a question.I'm a new listenerto your podcast.Welcome.My wife and I havebeen driving our Priusfor 10 years since retirement.We've been taking iton more road trips.The gas mileage is great,but ride comfort and noise,not so much.We've been looking for afuel efficient upgrade.And the cars that hesuggested to us where a CamryHybrid, or an Accord Hybrid.But I think we might have someother thoughts for him, right?They're not bad choices.This is the time in the podcastI talk about my wife's Prius,I guess, right?So my wife had a2006 Prius forever.And she justupgraded to the '19.And here's the crazy thing.The new Prius is not bad.The last couple ofgenerations of the Priuswas not the greatest ridein handling experience,let's put it that way.But the new one is--I mean, all thoseother vehicles, right?The Camry, I mean, it'sbased on the platformthat's in the newest Prius.Right, right.All those letters and numbers.But it's like, itfeels much moresolid in terms ofride and handlingthan they previously had.So I would say,consider a new Prius.Go against the flow, becauseI know the sales aren't huge.The Prius has gone out offavor, but it is a good choice.Yeah.It's not a bad choice.But if you want something that'seven more comfortable ridingand quieter than--a Camry wouldn't be abad choice, and evena Toyota Avalon Hybrid--Well, here's thesection of the podcastwhere I talk about my mother.And actually, she had a Prius--she had Prius' for about 10years.Loved them.Her commute changed.And it's now a longhighway commute.And the first thingshe did was went outand got an Avalon Hybrid.And she is getting actuallyhigher than the fuel economywe got from ours tested about--we got like 45 miles a gallonin this big comfy car.And I take it--when I take a road trip, we havean Avalon Hybrid in our fleet.It has like 14,000 miles on it,and it's less than a year old.It's all from you.It's all from-- well, andpeople who take road trips.It's a great road trip car.It's comfortable and it's notas floaty as the Avalon's past.With the reputation.Exactly.the reputationand what really it is.Yeah.It's not--It's not an Audi or something.No.But it's not not fun to drive.Sure.No, it's really amazing.The hybrid power-trainthat's into it.And it's not just Prius'.They're spreading it everywhere.It works so well.Everyone's talkingabout electric.And everyone's talking aboutall these different things.It's like, wow, they'vegot a system thatworks incredibly well.Works well.It's durable.And it's always ready to go.No hassle.And the nice thing--traffic.Some of these cars-- theother nice thing about itis that they, unlike thePrius, the hybrid versionscome really wellequipped, so youcan get the basemodel of the carand it comes as equippedas a higher end Prius.Sure.And the difference inprice has come way down.I mean, when they firsthad, like a Camry Hybrid,it was quite a bit more.Now they've really shrunk it.So you've got a lotof homework out there.So take some test drives.And we'll be drivingand talking--talking about thecars that we'vehad some time with next week.But I think that's allthe time we have today.So thanks for joining us.Any questions, send themto TalkingCars@iCloud.com.We're getting throughthe backlog that we have.And we'll talk to you as soon.\n"