The author recently conducted tests with various mid-tier CPUs from AMD and Intel, including the 7600 X, 7950 X, 7900X, 9000 Series, and the upcoming 9900X and 950X. During these tests, they experienced some unusual behavior with the 9000 Series, particularly in relation to RAM compatibility.

The author's test rig included a 7600 X on handbreak, which ran solidly without any issues. However, when running the Expo 2 profile, they noticed that the CPU was experiencing RAM problems. They also spoke with other creators who reported similar issues with their own systems. Steve mentioned that he couldn't get Expo to run on his 7600 X at all due to RAM compatibility issues. The author suspects that there may be a problem with the CPU's ability to handle high-speed RAM, particularly when running above base clock speeds.

The author's own system, which includes an AMD Ryzen 9 7950 X, ran smoothly and was able to complete the 6,000 series tests without any issues. However, they were unable to run the Intel profile due to a lack of subtiming on their current Expo profile. They are working on setting up a different profile that has been rock-solid, but the author notes that the 9000 Series is extremely finicky and may require further tweaking.

In terms of power efficiency, the author is impressed with AMD's recent strides in reducing TDPs while increasing CPU performance. The 7,000 series CPUs offer significant improvements over their predecessors, particularly in terms of power consumption. For example, the 7600 X has a TDP of 105 watts compared to the 7,000 series' 65-watt TDP.

Despite these advancements, the author notes that AMD is struggling in the mid-tier CPU market. The author believes that the competition from Intel's top-tier CPUs, such as the 13900K and 14900K, may be too fierce at this price point. However, with the release of the upcoming 9900X and 950X, the author expects to see some significant changes in this market.

The author highlights the unique strengths and weaknesses of each CPU lineup. The Intel CPUs offer exceptional single-core performance, but require more power and cooling. In contrast, AMD's mid-tier CPUs offer excellent multi-threading capabilities, but may struggle with power efficiency and RAM compatibility. However, the author notes that these are just general trends and that individual results may vary.

Throughout their testing, the author has been careful to monitor CPU temperatures, power consumption, and other metrics to ensure accurate comparisons between different systems. They have also taken care to use standardized benchmarks and test configurations to minimize variations in performance.

The author concludes by thanking their viewers for watching and invites them to watch more data from various sources, including reputable review websites and benchmarking platforms. The author notes that the handbrake test is an outlier, but may be relevant for some users who prioritize GPU-accelerated video encoding.

Overall, the article provides a detailed account of the author's testing experience with mid-tier CPUs from AMD and Intel, highlighting both strengths and weaknesses in each lineup.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enokay here we go the first two CPUs of amd's four new CPUs that are coming out the 9600 X and 9700x embargos have just lifted we spent the last 3 days at least of testing multiple CPUs regression testing at older generations to see how the new Zen five apparently I forgot how to quotations how Zen 5 architecture really Stacks up um spoiler alert it's a CPU hey j j j what we got work to do yeah I'm playing World of Warships World of Warships is the free-to-play naval strategy game where you command the most iconic and Famous warships from World War I and World War II recreated with stunning detail and accuracy build your Fleet while participating in various game types while upgrading your ship's Arsenal along the way new players who sign up using my link below will receive an exclusive starter pack to get you up and running quickly by receiving 7 Days Premium Time 1 million credits 300 to blooms and the tier five premium ship the exitor so what are you guys waiting for start syncing ships of World of Warships by head in the description below and getting your freebi so uh AMD is calling this Zen 5 which I think is kind of interesting and I'm trying not going to make this a long talking head video I'm sure you guys have seen all the stuff we're going to talk about in terms of specs those videos have already been made we've already talked about the specs we've already talked about what makes Zen 5 we already talked about some of the architecture lifts um we have their charts and then we have our own that we're comparing sort of against and there's I have some real eyebrow raises um on some of these numbers so let's just sort of talk about the CPUs that we compared it to because if we talk about price point first of all I I've I'm going to say this right off the bat I think AMD is a little off the mark on their pricing and they were off the mark on their pricing in the 7,000 series as well in this particular price point for instance the 9600 X cost $279 that's not a very cheap CPU I mean anything under like $200 and Below that's a cheap CPU so $279 is a fairly decent price CPU how back in the day that was like the top tier CPU the four core eight thread type CPUs from Intel and AMD anyway moving on and the 97 00x is $359 so if we look at pricing right now though this is like definitely in my opinion almost a Smoking Gun of things to consider when it comes to whether or not 9,000 Series is even going to be worth it to you so this the current pricing right now this chart includes current pricing on Amazon us I can't see what prices are where you guys are necessarily Amazon us current pricing for previous gen stuff and currently launched stuff like the 13th and 14th gen Intel we're comparing it to which by the way we have to compare it to it whether or not Intel is um too much of a risk for you right now that's up to you to decide but we need to compare it to the competition so that's why they're they're on here so anyway moving on um we're comparing it to 7,000 series obviously the new 9,000 Series pricing is on there at launch price because they Haven an adjusted yet but all the other prices have adjusted so it's worth talking about current price not launch price 7600 X is currently 198 when it initially launched it was $299 so we're talking a 102 or $101 drop that's significant because that's like 30% less expensive today than it was when it first came out keep that in mind when we compare these on the chart later 13600 K comes in at $229 so that's currently $50 less than the launch price of the 60 or 9600 X that's coming out essentially today/ tomorrow 9600 X at 279 the original launch price of the 7700x was $399 at 400 bucks so the 9700x at 90 at 359 is actually a pretty big reduction versus where it was in last generation but the problem is these still put them more expensive than their Intel counterparts with the exception of the 14700 K coming in at $381 remember Intel pricing has adjusted it is adjusting some more even as we deal with like stock drops on Intel and current landscape of people being afraid of 13th and 14th gen uh SKS so as you can see for pricing this is what you want want to keep in mind so when we talk about specs here you can see the 9600 X has the same core count same thread count as the 7600 X and the 9700x the same 8 core 16 thread and six core 12 thread respectively for these two parts with Max boost up to 5.5 and 5.4 GHz 40 megabyte cach on the 9700x 38 megabyte cache on the 9600 X but a significant drop in power so their tdps are at 65 Watts um we'll talk about power draw real quick during our testing they drew 65 Watts at least what was being reported as the consumption of the CPU uh socket itself so 65 Watts which meant the thermals on these were actually very very cool like 60 to 65 uh de C on full multi-threaded workloads single core stuff was bouncing all around because that's just how it works with AMD higher voltage at lower frequencies for stability you'll see the frequencies bounce around you don't need a big cooler to cool these guys they are not power hungry it's not like the Intel stuff we've been dealing with so before we go ahead and start comparing to the charts that AMD has here because one of the things we're looking for is like their marketing did they mislead you in any way um I'm going to show our charts right now I'll put them up we'll just show them on the screen for a few seconds with some cool music you can pause them and look at them and we'll come back to them and we'll talk about each chart individually if you're interested on what we experience with those uh I highly recommend you stick around we have some use case scenarios to talk about here some crashing blue screen memory stuff that we experienced kind of at all when it came to the 9 ,000 series anyway another thing to point out is these charts are going to be aligned left to right from price so the same order you saw them in price is the same order they will stay in as we go from chart to chart so that'll make it easier to track which CPUs are performing better than others they won't rearrange on you that's something I asked you guys what you you'd want to see us change in our charts that's what we did and it actually works very well it's easy to keep track of stuff so with that said here's the performance sh sh okay so I'm going to start with handbrake because to me this is the one that really stood out as I'm comparing their numbers so they showed the 9700x versus a 14700 K being 42% faster I mean it says all results are up to C GN uh r07 which is their footnotes we can't find their settings our settings by the way we did uh x264 encoder and it was significantly different than that I mean I didn't convert this into percentages but you can see we seconds to take a three I think it was like a 3 minute and 33 second somewhere around there 4K video of mine to uh transcode it down to 1080P and how many seconds did it take to do that now our 14700 k at Intel profile this is the Intel extreme profile the 253 watt limited the latest bios the latest micro code changes that are available today for Intel was 63 seconds to code that that was actually pretty fast the 9700x took 93 or 50% longer which is weird to us it took 50% more time for us to transcode that not 42% faster so we don't know what their settings are and their footnotes don't even say so it's hard for us to try and recreate that test to see what the deal is there but if we scroll down to their handbreak of the 14600 K versus the 9600 X they say their their skew is 94% faster that's saying nearly twice as fast or half the speed or half the time to do handbreak that was not our experience we got 78 seconds on the 14600 K and 111 seconds on our 9600 X again x264 encoder I don't know maybe if there's a different encoder setting they're using that more favors AMD but this was almost more like an outof thebox handbrake type of preset so unless you're going there and really tweaking stuff I don't know how they're getting to that anyway I just wanted to throw that one out there cuz that was a crazy outlier now when we compare 7000 series to 9000 Series single core we'll talk about CCH r24 you can see the single core threaded per or single core performance and 9,000 Series talks about increased uh single and dual core performance or one and two core thread workloads um to have a significant bump and we do see that we see that here on our on our single thread test as we move forward here um and the most that's probably going to be because of the fact that they do have a 100 MHz uh boost on or boost bump over previous generations so that would obviously increase um not the IPC but the performance right we didn't lock down the frequencies to see what IPC really looks like we just did out of the box testing to to see what the out of the box experience is so single thread looks really good in cinebench r24 but as soon as we go to multi-threaded it they just crash they fall down in their face now the reason for that is going to be that the both SKS have a thread disadvantage AG versus the Intel counterparts um in the same price points if you will if we can even call it that we're just stacking them up tier wise even based on the way AMD shows it should be um multi-threaded workload not great I mean we went from a 7600 X to a 9600 X from 850 to 915 so I mean that's not even a 10% Improvement right there um if we look at the 7700x that was a 1087 versus the 9700 X's 1140 as you can see though if we if that chart being align left to right you see that 13600 K is looking pretty good at that price point being the second to the least expensive CPU of the bunch of eight right here performing better than everything around it right there um moving on to cinem R23 though an older workload in single-threaded performance you can see it's very very good it's very good I mean you can see the improvement from previous gen to current gen 1925 on the 7600 X to a 259 in 9600 X that's that's actually looking really good and the 7700x from a 196 67 up to a 2197 that's a pretty big jump but again as soon as we go multi-threading at that that thread count disadvantage whether they're ecores or not on Intel side you see uh a nominal jump so a 7600 X from a 15,34 up to a 16,930 x and then 7700x at 19476 jumping up to a 20, 352 so very marginal jump right there and if we compare the price that these are going to cost today versus what the previous generation is costing now it it's kind of a hard sell currently if you ask me so moving on to blender which is a uh R Trac and rendering type of a CPU test um again very nominal jump between 7,000 series and 9,000 Series again these are multi-threaded tests so that's why they don't look as I guess impressive as you look at the multi-core test um again that 13600 K just raising its hand saying hey I'm all the way down here towards the bottom on price but look at my performance here I was definitely hoping for more on the multicore stuff especially at this mid-range um and for $279 and $359 respectively you as we went through the tests I was becoming a a little bit more disappointed okay so geekbench single threaded score this is where you can see the 9,000 Series actually comes out ahead as the winner single thread no surprise there the single thread on Zen 5 is looking real good it just needs more of them as far as I'm concerned cuz as soon as we go to the multi-threaded you can see they fall back down again because they're uh 16 core or 16 thread and 12 threads are just having a heck of a time keeping up with the 20 thread and 28 thread variants in residing in the same price point as these two CPUs on Times by extreme CPU test just not great nothing really worth riding home about there and then the gaming test we did two titles here we did shadow of the Tomb Raider this is 1080p um medium settings no resolution scaling no RTX we just wanted to create a situation where we could take a Founders Edition 490 max out the power limit max out the fan curve make the GPU run as fast as possible no overclock out of the box settings but still and then see how the CPU is able to handle that many frames being thrown at it so interestingly enough the 7600 X and 7700x which are previous gen had the exact same average FPS at 229 not bad but as you can see compared to the 287 we're getting say on the 14 700k at 287 that that means clearly there's a bottleneck happening here cuz the exact same G CPU was put on the AMD CPU and then when we compared the generations we just simply on the same exact system take the CPU out put the new CPU in make sure all the drivers and everything are loaded correctly and then run the test again and measure the differences now interestingly enough the 9700x and the 9600 X have an uplift in performance so from 229 to 250 and 249 respectively but again interestingly enough exactly the same nearly exactly the same I one FPS difference that's obviously within margin of there and running the test over and over getting the same FPS so it's interesting how the bottleneck moved up but the the tier difference between the 9700x and 9600 X didn't really make a difference there even though there is a slight boost difference when it comes to those single core performances so obviously this this title's definitely taking advantage of that one thread and two thread performance uplift that we're talking about from generational improvement from 7,000 series to 9,000 Series um but as you can see even versus the 13600 k which I've already mentioned looks real good in a as a value proposition compared to all of the other CPUs on the chart it's even beating out the 9700x at 252 average FPS sure it's only 2 FPS but as soon as we go over to cyberpunk 2077 what I showed here is I showed average FPS based on the built-in Benchmark run and the minimum FPS now the minimum FPS is not a 1% low as far as I can tell I believe it's just the lowest reported frame so you can kind of throw that out if you want it could be a many things causing it we just thought it was interesting to show because we kind of felt like uh actually sort of shows on the Intel systems that minimum FPS and that average are farther apart mostly because the average FPS on the Intel is that much farther ahead so it's one thing to note right there but if we look at the minimum FPS on our AMD CPUs versus the Intel CPUs it's like 40 FPS difference but anywhere between 30 to 40 FPS difference on the minimum and the minimum really tells a big story not just the average maximum or excuse me the average didn't look great on there in fact what's interesting is 7,000 series and 9,000 Series were nearly identical across the board on their numbers so that just means the cyberpunk title definitely favors Intel in this type of test so that's the the way that CPU test went for the 7,000 series versus 9000 and versus 13th and 14th gen let's talk about the stuff we experienced while using it and I did sanity check against other creators that were doing benchmarking to see if some of the stuff we were dealing with is was out of the norm for instance our 99000 series CPUs both of them the 9600 X and 9700x both experienced random either blue screens or full system restarts not a power cycle but just a it's like we hit the restart button in Windows and it just restarts itself when initializing these tests using the desktop and moving around it was fine but initializing the stress test is what was causing these restarts so the 9600s X when I was testing that with cinebench R2 4 every time I started not every time two times in a row when I started the multi-threaded test it would blue screen restart and then I could get through the test just fine and then I'd go to single core start it crash restart the system and then it would run fine um we did experience uh a significant amount of crashing as well though on our 7600 X when Phil was trying to do handbrake it continued to crash every time he would launch it he finally got it to pass we have to put an asterisk next to this too because we are using a pre-launched bios for our azck taichi which is what our testing is on now the 7,000 series with the exception of the 7600 X on handbreak was solid I didn't have any problems the Expo 2 profile ran just fine I was starting to wonder if all these crashes were abnormal some of the other creators I talked to said yes they were experiencing Ram problems they were experienc I think Steve told me he couldn't get Expo to run on any of his uh 7600 X at all like no no no Ram would run above base clock so he thinks at least when we were talking he thought there might have been something up with that CPU I don't know how that turned out you have to watch this video to see I'm sure you've already watched it probably it definitely reminded me of what sometimes it feels like when a new architecture comes out from AMD when it comes to Ram stuff now my 7950 x3d I said I couldn't run 6,000 on I'm running on just fine right now because I was able to get sub timing set up uh through a different Expo profile that has been Rock Solid but the 9000 Series stuff seems to be extremely finicky at the moment and I'm hoping another bios revision will fix some of this because the 7,000 stuff has been really solid with the exception of the handbrake thing we talked about um through all of our tests and didn't give us any weirdness but 9,000 Series did on the same bios and these are bios provided by AMD including chipset drivers and fresh windows installs all this stuff it's just the the weirdness persists now it's really hard to ignore the fact that AMD has made amazing strides on their power efficiency to get faster CPU across the board than 7,000 series at 65 watt TDP versus 105 watt TDP that's that's worth talking about because that shows they are definitely on the path to efficiency however does that matter to you if if intel doesn't deserve your business right now this might be all you're stuck with but if you look at these charts and you go back through them you're going to see that it's really hard to ignore that if you're shopping in this tier of product to ignore the 13600 K when all the Intel problems are sorted out when they're sorted out hopefully they'll be sorted out eventually to to where we can be comfortable again the 13600 K is really what looks like the winner in these charts like we were talking about it here internally it's like dude if you look at these charts and the fact that they're ordered left to right based on price and you keep seeing a peak on the left you got to pay attention to that so the 13600 K might be worth it to someone it's got 20 threads 6 P cores 8 e cores says 125 watt it pulled 168 even on the Intel profile with the updated bios so that is worth talking about um the other CPUs like the Intel CPUs are pulling 180 Watts so the 14600 K is pulling 180 Watts 125 watt TTP and the 137 and 147 are pulling 253 so obviously these require more cooling they require beef for your coolers not just your coolers but your chassis cooling needs to be good the AMD part you can know is going to run un like a hyper 212 and be perfectly fine so anyway that's our test those are our benchmarks I feel like AMD is struggling in this mid tier CPU price point I think something about their architecture is causing them to have these high prices because I feel like their top tier Parts compete much better at the price point against say a 139 14900 K versus a 950x 9 9900x or the previous 7950 X and 7900x I think the competition up there that's going to be fierce I think however down here at the 600 and 700 x range I I just feel like a lot's lacking there if only we had that single core performance as you could see with way more cores which is what we're going to get with the 9900 X and 950x then we'll see a real Smackdown potentially happening we got to wait and see because as you know those two CPUs are coming a week after this one all right guys thanks for watching you saw the data right here obviously go and watch all your your favorite data collectors to see how their results are um the handbrake one it's an outlier um at least specifically regarding their charts so I'm not too sure what that is all about maybe AMD just doesn't like the x264 encoder I don't know but I think most people would be doing transcoding on a GPU anyway so it may not matter all that much at least in that test all right guys thanks for watching and as always we'll see you in the next oneokay here we go the first two CPUs of amd's four new CPUs that are coming out the 9600 X and 9700x embargos have just lifted we spent the last 3 days at least of testing multiple CPUs regression testing at older generations to see how the new Zen five apparently I forgot how to quotations how Zen 5 architecture really Stacks up um spoiler alert it's a CPU hey j j j what we got work to do yeah I'm playing World of Warships World of Warships is the free-to-play naval strategy game where you command the most iconic and Famous warships from World War I and World War II recreated with stunning detail and accuracy build your Fleet while participating in various game types while upgrading your ship's Arsenal along the way new players who sign up using my link below will receive an exclusive starter pack to get you up and running quickly by receiving 7 Days Premium Time 1 million credits 300 to blooms and the tier five premium ship the exitor so what are you guys waiting for start syncing ships of World of Warships by head in the description below and getting your freebi so uh AMD is calling this Zen 5 which I think is kind of interesting and I'm trying not going to make this a long talking head video I'm sure you guys have seen all the stuff we're going to talk about in terms of specs those videos have already been made we've already talked about the specs we've already talked about what makes Zen 5 we already talked about some of the architecture lifts um we have their charts and then we have our own that we're comparing sort of against and there's I have some real eyebrow raises um on some of these numbers so let's just sort of talk about the CPUs that we compared it to because if we talk about price point first of all I I've I'm going to say this right off the bat I think AMD is a little off the mark on their pricing and they were off the mark on their pricing in the 7,000 series as well in this particular price point for instance the 9600 X cost $279 that's not a very cheap CPU I mean anything under like $200 and Below that's a cheap CPU so $279 is a fairly decent price CPU how back in the day that was like the top tier CPU the four core eight thread type CPUs from Intel and AMD anyway moving on and the 97 00x is $359 so if we look at pricing right now though this is like definitely in my opinion almost a Smoking Gun of things to consider when it comes to whether or not 9,000 Series is even going to be worth it to you so this the current pricing right now this chart includes current pricing on Amazon us I can't see what prices are where you guys are necessarily Amazon us current pricing for previous gen stuff and currently launched stuff like the 13th and 14th gen Intel we're comparing it to which by the way we have to compare it to it whether or not Intel is um too much of a risk for you right now that's up to you to decide but we need to compare it to the competition so that's why they're they're on here so anyway moving on um we're comparing it to 7,000 series obviously the new 9,000 Series pricing is on there at launch price because they Haven an adjusted yet but all the other prices have adjusted so it's worth talking about current price not launch price 7600 X is currently 198 when it initially launched it was $299 so we're talking a 102 or $101 drop that's significant because that's like 30% less expensive today than it was when it first came out keep that in mind when we compare these on the chart later 13600 K comes in at $229 so that's currently $50 less than the launch price of the 60 or 9600 X that's coming out essentially today/ tomorrow 9600 X at 279 the original launch price of the 7700x was $399 at 400 bucks so the 9700x at 90 at 359 is actually a pretty big reduction versus where it was in last generation but the problem is these still put them more expensive than their Intel counterparts with the exception of the 14700 K coming in at $381 remember Intel pricing has adjusted it is adjusting some more even as we deal with like stock drops on Intel and current landscape of people being afraid of 13th and 14th gen uh SKS so as you can see for pricing this is what you want want to keep in mind so when we talk about specs here you can see the 9600 X has the same core count same thread count as the 7600 X and the 9700x the same 8 core 16 thread and six core 12 thread respectively for these two parts with Max boost up to 5.5 and 5.4 GHz 40 megabyte cach on the 9700x 38 megabyte cache on the 9600 X but a significant drop in power so their tdps are at 65 Watts um we'll talk about power draw real quick during our testing they drew 65 Watts at least what was being reported as the consumption of the CPU uh socket itself so 65 Watts which meant the thermals on these were actually very very cool like 60 to 65 uh de C on full multi-threaded workloads single core stuff was bouncing all around because that's just how it works with AMD higher voltage at lower frequencies for stability you'll see the frequencies bounce around you don't need a big cooler to cool these guys they are not power hungry it's not like the Intel stuff we've been dealing with so before we go ahead and start comparing to the charts that AMD has here because one of the things we're looking for is like their marketing did they mislead you in any way um I'm going to show our charts right now I'll put them up we'll just show them on the screen for a few seconds with some cool music you can pause them and look at them and we'll come back to them and we'll talk about each chart individually if you're interested on what we experience with those uh I highly recommend you stick around we have some use case scenarios to talk about here some crashing blue screen memory stuff that we experienced kind of at all when it came to the 9 ,000 series anyway another thing to point out is these charts are going to be aligned left to right from price so the same order you saw them in price is the same order they will stay in as we go from chart to chart so that'll make it easier to track which CPUs are performing better than others they won't rearrange on you that's something I asked you guys what you you'd want to see us change in our charts that's what we did and it actually works very well it's easy to keep track of stuff so with that said here's the performance sh sh okay so I'm going to start with handbrake because to me this is the one that really stood out as I'm comparing their numbers so they showed the 9700x versus a 14700 K being 42% faster I mean it says all results are up to C GN uh r07 which is their footnotes we can't find their settings our settings by the way we did uh x264 encoder and it was significantly different than that I mean I didn't convert this into percentages but you can see we seconds to take a three I think it was like a 3 minute and 33 second somewhere around there 4K video of mine to uh transcode it down to 1080P and how many seconds did it take to do that now our 14700 k at Intel profile this is the Intel extreme profile the 253 watt limited the latest bios the latest micro code changes that are available today for Intel was 63 seconds to code that that was actually pretty fast the 9700x took 93 or 50% longer which is weird to us it took 50% more time for us to transcode that not 42% faster so we don't know what their settings are and their footnotes don't even say so it's hard for us to try and recreate that test to see what the deal is there but if we scroll down to their handbreak of the 14600 K versus the 9600 X they say their their skew is 94% faster that's saying nearly twice as fast or half the speed or half the time to do handbreak that was not our experience we got 78 seconds on the 14600 K and 111 seconds on our 9600 X again x264 encoder I don't know maybe if there's a different encoder setting they're using that more favors AMD but this was almost more like an outof thebox handbrake type of preset so unless you're going there and really tweaking stuff I don't know how they're getting to that anyway I just wanted to throw that one out there cuz that was a crazy outlier now when we compare 7000 series to 9000 Series single core we'll talk about CCH r24 you can see the single core threaded per or single core performance and 9,000 Series talks about increased uh single and dual core performance or one and two core thread workloads um to have a significant bump and we do see that we see that here on our on our single thread test as we move forward here um and the most that's probably going to be because of the fact that they do have a 100 MHz uh boost on or boost bump over previous generations so that would obviously increase um not the IPC but the performance right we didn't lock down the frequencies to see what IPC really looks like we just did out of the box testing to to see what the out of the box experience is so single thread looks really good in cinebench r24 but as soon as we go to multi-threaded it they just crash they fall down in their face now the reason for that is going to be that the both SKS have a thread disadvantage AG versus the Intel counterparts um in the same price points if you will if we can even call it that we're just stacking them up tier wise even based on the way AMD shows it should be um multi-threaded workload not great I mean we went from a 7600 X to a 9600 X from 850 to 915 so I mean that's not even a 10% Improvement right there um if we look at the 7700x that was a 1087 versus the 9700 X's 1140 as you can see though if we if that chart being align left to right you see that 13600 K is looking pretty good at that price point being the second to the least expensive CPU of the bunch of eight right here performing better than everything around it right there um moving on to cinem R23 though an older workload in single-threaded performance you can see it's very very good it's very good I mean you can see the improvement from previous gen to current gen 1925 on the 7600 X to a 259 in 9600 X that's that's actually looking really good and the 7700x from a 196 67 up to a 2197 that's a pretty big jump but again as soon as we go multi-threading at that that thread count disadvantage whether they're ecores or not on Intel side you see uh a nominal jump so a 7600 X from a 15,34 up to a 16,930 x and then 7700x at 19476 jumping up to a 20, 352 so very marginal jump right there and if we compare the price that these are going to cost today versus what the previous generation is costing now it it's kind of a hard sell currently if you ask me so moving on to blender which is a uh R Trac and rendering type of a CPU test um again very nominal jump between 7,000 series and 9,000 Series again these are multi-threaded tests so that's why they don't look as I guess impressive as you look at the multi-core test um again that 13600 K just raising its hand saying hey I'm all the way down here towards the bottom on price but look at my performance here I was definitely hoping for more on the multicore stuff especially at this mid-range um and for $279 and $359 respectively you as we went through the tests I was becoming a a little bit more disappointed okay so geekbench single threaded score this is where you can see the 9,000 Series actually comes out ahead as the winner single thread no surprise there the single thread on Zen 5 is looking real good it just needs more of them as far as I'm concerned cuz as soon as we go to the multi-threaded you can see they fall back down again because they're uh 16 core or 16 thread and 12 threads are just having a heck of a time keeping up with the 20 thread and 28 thread variants in residing in the same price point as these two CPUs on Times by extreme CPU test just not great nothing really worth riding home about there and then the gaming test we did two titles here we did shadow of the Tomb Raider this is 1080p um medium settings no resolution scaling no RTX we just wanted to create a situation where we could take a Founders Edition 490 max out the power limit max out the fan curve make the GPU run as fast as possible no overclock out of the box settings but still and then see how the CPU is able to handle that many frames being thrown at it so interestingly enough the 7600 X and 7700x which are previous gen had the exact same average FPS at 229 not bad but as you can see compared to the 287 we're getting say on the 14 700k at 287 that that means clearly there's a bottleneck happening here cuz the exact same G CPU was put on the AMD CPU and then when we compared the generations we just simply on the same exact system take the CPU out put the new CPU in make sure all the drivers and everything are loaded correctly and then run the test again and measure the differences now interestingly enough the 9700x and the 9600 X have an uplift in performance so from 229 to 250 and 249 respectively but again interestingly enough exactly the same nearly exactly the same I one FPS difference that's obviously within margin of there and running the test over and over getting the same FPS so it's interesting how the bottleneck moved up but the the tier difference between the 9700x and 9600 X didn't really make a difference there even though there is a slight boost difference when it comes to those single core performances so obviously this this title's definitely taking advantage of that one thread and two thread performance uplift that we're talking about from generational improvement from 7,000 series to 9,000 Series um but as you can see even versus the 13600 k which I've already mentioned looks real good in a as a value proposition compared to all of the other CPUs on the chart it's even beating out the 9700x at 252 average FPS sure it's only 2 FPS but as soon as we go over to cyberpunk 2077 what I showed here is I showed average FPS based on the built-in Benchmark run and the minimum FPS now the minimum FPS is not a 1% low as far as I can tell I believe it's just the lowest reported frame so you can kind of throw that out if you want it could be a many things causing it we just thought it was interesting to show because we kind of felt like uh actually sort of shows on the Intel systems that minimum FPS and that average are farther apart mostly because the average FPS on the Intel is that much farther ahead so it's one thing to note right there but if we look at the minimum FPS on our AMD CPUs versus the Intel CPUs it's like 40 FPS difference but anywhere between 30 to 40 FPS difference on the minimum and the minimum really tells a big story not just the average maximum or excuse me the average didn't look great on there in fact what's interesting is 7,000 series and 9,000 Series were nearly identical across the board on their numbers so that just means the cyberpunk title definitely favors Intel in this type of test so that's the the way that CPU test went for the 7,000 series versus 9000 and versus 13th and 14th gen let's talk about the stuff we experienced while using it and I did sanity check against other creators that were doing benchmarking to see if some of the stuff we were dealing with is was out of the norm for instance our 99000 series CPUs both of them the 9600 X and 9700x both experienced random either blue screens or full system restarts not a power cycle but just a it's like we hit the restart button in Windows and it just restarts itself when initializing these tests using the desktop and moving around it was fine but initializing the stress test is what was causing these restarts so the 9600s X when I was testing that with cinebench R2 4 every time I started not every time two times in a row when I started the multi-threaded test it would blue screen restart and then I could get through the test just fine and then I'd go to single core start it crash restart the system and then it would run fine um we did experience uh a significant amount of crashing as well though on our 7600 X when Phil was trying to do handbrake it continued to crash every time he would launch it he finally got it to pass we have to put an asterisk next to this too because we are using a pre-launched bios for our azck taichi which is what our testing is on now the 7,000 series with the exception of the 7600 X on handbreak was solid I didn't have any problems the Expo 2 profile ran just fine I was starting to wonder if all these crashes were abnormal some of the other creators I talked to said yes they were experiencing Ram problems they were experienc I think Steve told me he couldn't get Expo to run on any of his uh 7600 X at all like no no no Ram would run above base clock so he thinks at least when we were talking he thought there might have been something up with that CPU I don't know how that turned out you have to watch this video to see I'm sure you've already watched it probably it definitely reminded me of what sometimes it feels like when a new architecture comes out from AMD when it comes to Ram stuff now my 7950 x3d I said I couldn't run 6,000 on I'm running on just fine right now because I was able to get sub timing set up uh through a different Expo profile that has been Rock Solid but the 9000 Series stuff seems to be extremely finicky at the moment and I'm hoping another bios revision will fix some of this because the 7,000 stuff has been really solid with the exception of the handbrake thing we talked about um through all of our tests and didn't give us any weirdness but 9,000 Series did on the same bios and these are bios provided by AMD including chipset drivers and fresh windows installs all this stuff it's just the the weirdness persists now it's really hard to ignore the fact that AMD has made amazing strides on their power efficiency to get faster CPU across the board than 7,000 series at 65 watt TDP versus 105 watt TDP that's that's worth talking about because that shows they are definitely on the path to efficiency however does that matter to you if if intel doesn't deserve your business right now this might be all you're stuck with but if you look at these charts and you go back through them you're going to see that it's really hard to ignore that if you're shopping in this tier of product to ignore the 13600 K when all the Intel problems are sorted out when they're sorted out hopefully they'll be sorted out eventually to to where we can be comfortable again the 13600 K is really what looks like the winner in these charts like we were talking about it here internally it's like dude if you look at these charts and the fact that they're ordered left to right based on price and you keep seeing a peak on the left you got to pay attention to that so the 13600 K might be worth it to someone it's got 20 threads 6 P cores 8 e cores says 125 watt it pulled 168 even on the Intel profile with the updated bios so that is worth talking about um the other CPUs like the Intel CPUs are pulling 180 Watts so the 14600 K is pulling 180 Watts 125 watt TTP and the 137 and 147 are pulling 253 so obviously these require more cooling they require beef for your coolers not just your coolers but your chassis cooling needs to be good the AMD part you can know is going to run un like a hyper 212 and be perfectly fine so anyway that's our test those are our benchmarks I feel like AMD is struggling in this mid tier CPU price point I think something about their architecture is causing them to have these high prices because I feel like their top tier Parts compete much better at the price point against say a 139 14900 K versus a 950x 9 9900x or the previous 7950 X and 7900x I think the competition up there that's going to be fierce I think however down here at the 600 and 700 x range I I just feel like a lot's lacking there if only we had that single core performance as you could see with way more cores which is what we're going to get with the 9900 X and 950x then we'll see a real Smackdown potentially happening we got to wait and see because as you know those two CPUs are coming a week after this one all right guys thanks for watching you saw the data right here obviously go and watch all your your favorite data collectors to see how their results are um the handbrake one it's an outlier um at least specifically regarding their charts so I'm not too sure what that is all about maybe AMD just doesn't like the x264 encoder I don't know but I think most people would be doing transcoding on a GPU anyway so it may not matter all that much at least in that test all right guys thanks for watching and as always we'll see you in the next one\n"