The Importance of Encryption in Our Digital Lives

Encryption is often viewed as a necessary tool to protect our personal and professional information from falling into the wrong hands. Governments, corporations, and individuals all rely on encryption to secure their data, but some have questioned its necessity in recent times.

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The Bloomberg piece highlighted the fact that encryption is necessary for keeping sensitive information safe from hackers and other malicious actors. A few years ago, there was a hack where employee records were stolen from government agencies because they weren't encrypted at all. This lack of security put those government employees at risk of identity theft and other forms of exploitation.

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However, some people have been misled by articles like Bloomberg's into thinking that encryption is not necessary. The article's claim that truly secure communication is only possible in the analog world was patently false, but it did serve as a reminder that some individuals may not always understand the importance of encryption.

Fortunately, there are many resources available to help people learn more about encryption and its benefits. One such resource is the Scout Tech podcast, which features interviews with experts in various fields, including technology and cybersecurity. The podcast provides listeners with a unique perspective on the latest developments in these fields and offers insights into the careers of individuals who have made significant contributions to their respective industries.

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome back to another episode of the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor and joining me is William what's his name okay good to be back thanks for that welcome um I could see you from here looking around to see where there any alternatives but seemingly there weren't so I'll take that hi how you have you been didn't look very long either it is good to have you back William thank you for letting me tease you about that now where what you were gone for like a long time yes and I can't properly tell you what it is because it's a sensitive you you were in communicado yes I spent uh all of last week in a history archive researching uh a particular book nothing to do with apple or techn ology uh but very intense so I just switched off everything and concentrated on the 1,700 documents I had to read and unfortunately I only managed to get through 800 in the week so I don't know what to do next okay right that's that puts you in a supreme deficit right I thought you might have some sort of speed reading tip there but uh yeah not so much okay I I am a fan of the concept of book scanning and being able to have these documents at your disposal rather than being locked in the musty Cellar of some moldy library and well I'm not but also I wasn't kidding about sensitive these documents are locked away for 50 years I have uh express permission to uh read them but no one else can so can't take them out can't split the load between people it's all very uh it's it's really interesting but uh right now it's just overwhelming as well yeah no I I uh I I like the idea of scanning for archival purposes you know the paper gets eaten by by animals bugs such it gets moldy it runs at risk of physical damage the idea of scanning And archiving sort of offloads that risk to the idea of of bit rot or digital rot or format rot but at least there's now something else that might survive a flood for example yes uh I can't tell you where the archive was because it would actually give away operational security in that firewall 12 km of uh shelving that's all temperature controlled and things that and actually they are working to put as much of it all online as they can but it's you know it's a 10 year 20 year product project with all the stuff they've got in there and go Google has done some very interesting work at UH at creating book scanners for this kind of purpose they're you know typically when you think of book scanner you think of a flatbed scanner where you open it up and and you know bend the spine and there have been ones that keep the the book open at 45° or 60° and then you can scan each page separately kind of thing Google invented one that lays the book down on top of a prism and then uses small amounts of vacuum to change Pages wow and that was really intriguing and they open sourced it they published the plans for this thing and I have thought one day if I have plenty of time which never happens that I would want to reproduce the thing I worked on a book of radio times covers radio times is UK cment of TV Guide it's particularly famous for its covers or it was and uh I I worked on a book on it in the end but many years ago we just wanted a few key ones displayed on the wall and the only copies we had were bound copies of the magazine so I was photographing them on a camera and then using Photoshop to un uh warp them and things and you know not brilliantly successful but enough that they were displayable in the office so yeah and and this prison Arrangement thing you know with its with its vacuum would have taken care of that and accommodated it for you yeah let me down though didn't they didn't invent it in time absolutely okay now how do we get onto that yes anyway so hi you know I I think that backup is a reasonable top we could do a whole show about backup the the importance of it and and what you ought to do you know I was reviewing a uh a network attached storage device by signology this week and they make time machine possible to do over the network so if you you used to have a time capsule product or you used to have a hard drive connected to your AirPort Extreme and you you no longer have that um you could connect a hard drive to a signology router like the the rt2600 AC that I reviewed a few months back or you could connect it your your network have storage device and do that and have your your time machine backups on the network that way and backup is just so critical you know they they also have cool things in the the product like the ability to make your own cloud and use your own cloud applications so you can see your files and access and view them from iOS apps or also from the mac and so take a look for that review time ago I was very tempted to uh go down the drobo route with their transporter thing but I believe they' stopped doing that for consumers but sonology is the same idea for everyone sonology has been doing it for a lot longer drobo was was attempting to do their own raray with with a Twist kind of thing and signology keeps that pretty standard they they don't fool around with what the drive balancing is like and stuff like that they just here is your network attach storage device you can arrange the volumes in a raid so for example I have uh let's see I have about 34 terabytes in in one of those units sitting on my network and it works great for multimedia so I can go ahead and have media stored on it and display that on Apple TV or my phone and and do it both inside or outside my home network um I have documents and mail and chat and all those kinds of operations on there and can use it as my own personal Dropbox or Google Drive kind of thing it's pretty cool that way I am struggling with a a Mac Mini that I love but has uh the smallest uh SSD you can get a couldn't afford a bigger one and I also knew that I had tons of external hard drives uh but I am struggling to manage it all and find some sort of system for how to get stuff off when I'm done with it so get it back quickly I I would suggest uh a network cash storage device like this for you and I would suggest using your just just as Apple encourages people to use documents and desktop as iCloud yeah I would encourage you to go ahead and create folders from the network and mount them as as volumes on your Mac and set them up to autom mount and just use those as your storage okay that makes sense you know your Mac Mini isn't like a portable laptop right your Mac Mini doesn't travel very far so you could use for things that don't have to be quick from the SSD but could take you know a split second to load from the network do that that makes sense though actually I have traveled with this Mac it is so ludicrously small it's very handy well but the other beauty of the the network tax storage is that because on the network if you go ahead and um create what they call a quick connect which is essentially Dynamic DNS then you can access all of your files that are home while you're traveling I think I do that through iCloud drive you know if if you were for example paranoid about Dropbox or paranoid about Google drive or or not all in on iCloud then this would be a way of of you know planting your flag in the ground and saying I'm going to do it on myself my own going to do it for myself and not be beholden to any other company except sonology well but you know they aren't charging a subscription for storage they're they're simply selling a product okay happens to be hard I'm starting to think it's I've got this funny feeling that if B all of this stuff I could have spent that money on a bigger mini but you know we are where we are yes yeah and and of course there are some other things that you can do around this kind of idea that I'll talk to you offline about cool CU I don't want to borrow um oh okay my problems are well I'll tell you what what I really fancy is one of these giant uh ultrawide curved monitors I'd really like one of those uh so any advice on that that would be very nice including how to pay for it that would be uh well can't tell you about how to pay for it exactly but in the United States at this moment there seems to be a TV refresh going around around in stores and so as I walk into stores I'm seeing sets from from six months ago sets from last year on clearance and among those is a 65in curved display I read a piece once for Apple Insider about the the actual differences between TVs uh and monitors um I can't remember I came away thinking monitors would a better value but that makes a difference well it it depends a little bit I mean there are things like color reproduction and color accuracy there's refresh there's contrast and so forth and also you you don't want too large a monitor because in a monitor context you're sitting right in front of it whereas a TV you're 6 to 10 ft away um that's it I was forgetting that yes and you know having something that's that's meant for a six foot viewing distance right in front of your eyes is overwhelming and bad but the um there also the resolution right now now the resolution question is kind of irrelevant because there are 4K displays that are common TVs but it's it's still it's just picking the right tool for the job I think yes um I moved from a sorry this is really terribly DET I moved from a 2012 iMac to a 2018 Mac Mini and I bought just a basic what HD monitor I can't remember what it is but I I miss the larger screen of even the 2012 uh I'm ma the resolution was nicer and size so I just want to be happy with a new monitor and I want you to be happy thank you but now I have to going help me with the money so okay but right so uh what's is this are we talking like this because nothing's going on in the world with apple no plenty of things going on so first of all but it's not with apple uh Huawei maker of fine cell phones and network equipment everywhere I'm not proud of this but I'm very glad that you said the name first because I genuinely struggle was one of those words I have trouble spelling but also uh saying as well so them lot there they're having some problems out there say WWE WWE okay there you go yeah um so right remember I'm in the UK where basically we just let them do what they like so you know for years and years there there have been Rumblings coming from Washington DC about Huawei and about ZTE or ZTE and and basically being casting aspersions that these are products that are are made by Huawei Huawei being a Chinese company the Chinese government having their hands in Chinese companies and therefore that these products were susceptible to surveilling American Communications right uh any chance we know if that's true not exactly okay um you know it's it's not that there's any hard proof in that although uh Dutch newspaper deul Grant cited intelligence sources as saying that huah had created a back door on the network of an unnamed telecoms firm and that their intelligence agency aivd was investigating whether the vulnerability had enabled spying by the Chinese government you see all these important things going on in my mind goes straight to I couldn't pronounce the Dutch newspaper's name either I am the most IG man in the planet okay well so F first of all people who are in the know will remember that the US's NSA National Security Agency had intercepted packages destined for for recipients of telecoms gear made by Cisco and had modified it to surveil them so now I didn't know that uh sorry is that quite a recent no no it's several years old now okay so that sounds quite um ominous really but it was all sorted out uh I think it still goes on okay um are we all thinking of the Bloomberg um accusation from what last October this is not like the Bloomberg accusation in well I mean the Huawei accusation kind of is but for the NSA accusation there there was evidence for that and it was not planting chips on the board as Bloomberg was accusing super micro of doing or or being victim of it was uh firmware modifications to Cisco networking gear that have been sent out all right which even I think is possible compared to uh soling an extra right processor onto the BL I mean it's a network product it's connected to the network routing more traffic to another destination is is not outside the realm of possibility here and that's really the concern around Huawei is that huawei's products are used in Telecom uh to to Route data to be the 5G equipment in the back room kind of thing and so first what's happened is that uh government agencies in the United States have been barred from buying huawe and ZT products that happened in 2018 uh in January the US unsealed a 13-count indictment against Huawei accusing it and Chief Financial Officer M wanju of defrauding Financial firms by lying about its relationship with an alleged front business operating in Iran and mang was arrested in Canada a month earlier on a US warrant she's still fighting extradition she does not want to be extradited to the US and and that comes down to the notion that we have sanctions in the United States against doing business with with Iran because we don't want to um you know if Iran is the state the repressive state that the US says it is then the US doesn't want to make it comfortable for that country they want to use sanctions as a way of trying discouraging that that bad behavior she's still uh in Canada Canada um where are we five months on yep wow there are worse places to be I mean Canada's lovely yes but one imagines I mean she's a CFO you think she has quite a lot to do is she able to do it from there I mean I would I'm not assing innocence until proven guilt I'm I'm not sure you know it we're we're saying that she's still the CFO although if we're mistaken it's possible I mean um at some point it could be like Carlos Goen in Japan where he's he's been accused and imprisoned a few different times as the Japanese try and prove their case against him to the point where he was no longer able to fulfill his responsibilities as CEO of Renault and uh of Nissan so she's probably not really having a holiday in Canada let's put it like that probably not if you're busy fighting extradition it's not much of a holiday no no no and you can't even go to Disneyland which I understand is it's very nice and also not in Canada a little far away well you know her choice she could come to the States but okay and also not get into Disneyland Yeah Yeah well yeah but from closer okay right so that's that's kind of the problem with Huawei and it's it's a problem for us all why can you guess uh because uh ifaw has all of these difficulties it could actually cease to be and uh we wouldn't get phones that I understand have very nice cameras well it's not only about the phones it's the problem with the networking gear is that if you want 5G Cellular Communications you have to have a phone that has a 5G chip in it right yes and actually I could I can break some news here 5G is coming to my area of the UK around June July time yeah um I'm hoping my iPhone will work with it okay your iPhone will not work with it immediately and we'll talk about that in a moment but but here's the problem is that you have to have the 5G part in the phone but you also have to have the 5G part at the towers at the offices for the the cellular communication companies yeah I can't afford a tower what are they asking me to do and so okay yes so if you don't have both parts of those things in place then you can't offer that service and Huawei is is basically poised to become a major player in 5G infrastructure or at least they were until this intervention so okay I'm wondering I seriously wondering how that will affect its work in the UK because one imagines the UK where it's poised to do the same thing is such a smaller Market compared to the states that it's probably not uh economically viable compared to well doing the US and the other question is is the UK because the UK and and the United States are a close Partners in many things is the UK going to follow along with this ban well so far we've been making more fuss uh about uh leaks about the discussions than about the discussions themselves so I would bet probably not although hang on we do have brexit don't we that's a good point um yeah I wouldn't bet on haway Surviving well uh here either I mean vone is is going to switch on 5G on July 3D and ah right that's the one I'd heard about yes and so well I couldn't be sure if you talking about vone or you're talking about e or something else but um no I didn't know the date but it was verone and I I've heard rumors that EA is following soon but uh I I'm on a so I hope that's true all right well vone is going to be using the Huawei 5G technology oh yeah maybe everybody should just wait for Apple to bring out 5G modems well but Apple isn't going to be doing the backend stuff Apple's not going to be making the equipment for the network closets so apple is doomed then you know yet again who who else can you imagine might offer 5G equipment I genely haven't the faintest idea uh I couldn't even tell you the players in the market I mean I only knew about hway CU I've read there's a simple company small outfit you may have heard of called Qualcomm oh right yes yes yeah so so Qualcomm doesn't typically make this kind of backend product but they make parts that could enable it so you might get a Cisco product for example that works with the the Qualcomm part now I I have no insight into production of such a thing but obviously if Huawei is not going to be available for purchase especially for government contracts that um that that's going to mean there's an opening there in the market maybe Intel will run to uh fill it cuz they're not doing anything else well and Intel as as you remember um just got a tongue lashing from Apple so we we know that the Intel part has never performed as well as the Qualcomm part as a modem in the phones and in 2017 uh Hardware Technologies VP Johnny suuji is is said to have barked at Intel's venata renala during a meeting at infinite Loop according to a source for the information now suuji was frustrated with Intel's work on the xmm 7560 which was intended for the 2018 iPhones the modem wasn't functioning properly two sources said and even though Intel had already overhauled it four times to pry and put it on par with the Qualcomm chips and they missed multiple deadlines along the way it it still wasn't working right and suuji said has reported to have said this would never have happened at Apple under my watch and apple is believed to be creating their own 5G modem under suuji senior staff for telling Engineers the Chip's going to be coming in 2025 now 2025 you go oh my God that's a long way away oh yeah are you watching years and years Russell T Davis's new thing that's already moved on to 2024 it's closer than you think well it's closer than you think and also the thing to remember is it takes about 2 years to to do an iPhone start start shipping and so what that says is that they're going to be using qualcomm's 5G chips across the board for the 2020 iPhones and they'll they'll get one more generation out them for 2022 and then by 2024 2025 they'll be ready to use their own they'll probably be developing and testing this all the way long because they're they're working on it now so so they'll produce them they'll test them they'll have them going on and then switch over to them for the phone for that after they've proven that they're really ready to go I know this is inevitable but every time Apple comes out with a new iPhone there's a little bit of me that thinks they're standing there saying this is the greatest thing ever but they know what the next one's going to be and presumably it's going to be better every time isn't Johnny I have recently said something like he's Forever Living two years in the future something like that but the thing is that the two years in the future stuff isn't in mass production is is frequently not even ready for beta testing and so the most he could actually live is like you know a year in the future to six months in the future if he were talking about a device that was in testing that was something he take out into the world and use and remember take out into the world is also skeptical because now you have to hide it and prevent that it's not in the you know the form factor that it is and all that stuff so it's but Apple Park is so big you just go out for a stroll you'd be fine it's true fair enough but the um so 5G really that's what's uh we're just waiting on 5G is what we're doing well we're going to get all kinds of other cool stuff along the way to 5G uh such as I I know right now isn't there a thing in the States where there's I'm sorry I think it's AT&T but I can't remember that sewing 5G when really it's four and a bit G or something yeah AT&T were doing that Sprint sued them um there's there's a whole cruffle about that right now and Verizon has said that they're launching 5G although their 5G is sort of a draft 5G it's not real 5G but it's not 4 and a half G like AT&T's uh but okay Verizon's let everyone know that when they're really doing 5G that they're going to charge you a premium for it that that you can get your 4gte as you always have been but if you want the good stuff you're going to have to pay more as opposed to your Voda phone over on your side of things where they're totally content to say hey 5G come at it no additional price premium yes well I imagine vone is counting on the fact that when you can do more with your phone you will do more and so that therefore you know they'll get you own caps and rates and things like that uh but still I was surprised I I took it for granted I unthinkingly assumed I'd have to pay more for 5G so uh good on vone I mean the rule is that whatever AT&T wants to do is going to be customer abusive you guess that right away because AT&T has never been been very good at this stuff right they've always tried to find ways to make you use less or tried to change the definition of their terms of their contract so they don't have to provide the service that you actually were getting right are they the lot that change the word unlimited to mean very limited that is them yes but this is Marbel isn't it I can't remember my American Telephone history but um right so American Telephone and Telegraph we trusted American Telephone and Telegraph or Mell uh was the one monolithic company until about 1984 when they were broken up and they split off into the baby bells and there was Southwestern Bell and Pacific Bell and the Mid-Atlantic Bell and uh and and Bell South and so on and and along the way some of those renamed themselves Bell South became singular uh pack Bell or Pacific Bell um changed names a couple times uh to the ones I can't remember um Southern Pacific Bell became uh or Southwestern Bell became Sprint along the way um singular actually bought uh AT&T and and so they remerged and they're re sort of re re uh conglomerating themselves singular bought AT&T and then renamed themselves AT&T and in all of that as soon as we said Mar Bell bony m music has been running through my head that's Verizon Verizon was Mid-Atlantic bell all right well there you go you didn't say that God did they make all those great Mid-Atlantic dramas no kidding yep yeah yeah so we are on the road to 5G and it's going to take a while but the people shrug and say you know what what do I care if I have faster Network speeds what what do I care if my phone gets any faster right what do I care if my phone's data gets any any faster well so 5G does a couple different things besides providing super fast speeds you know it's it's basically said that you can get gigabit Fiber speeds or gigabit internet speeds over cellular using 5G presuming that everything else is correct now the problem is that your distance to the tower has to be shorter for that to work so you're going to have to be closer to towers for that to happen but if you can get 5G over Cellular in the home then it means yeah that you can give up your DSL you can give up your cable modem you can give up your your fiber modem although that would be the one that I would probably hesitate to give up um but getting a gigabit over cellular and all you have to do is is rent a cellular to Wi-Fi router from the cellular service and you have faster in it than you could get from cable is in an Ideal World a really good thing um and it has some weird business KnockOn effects for example if you're getting your internet from your cable company and you give up on that and you get it from your cellular company and then you give up on your cable channels and you get your cable channels over streaming then the cable companies go away great for all those years the cable companies disrupted network television and now the same thing has happened to them yeah well everything comes back it it does but one of the things that happens is you get companies like AT&T where they were Distributing their TV Services over fiber or DSL and Direct TV over satellite and now they're making the bundle for Direct TV go so that you can continue to get those kinds of channels through your Apple TV and Roku we all have that friend who's the first one to try things whether they're super trendy or more of a guinea pig when you're making a choice it's always nice to hear it from someone who's been there done that choosing the right software for your business is no different read thousands of real software reviews to help you choose the right software for your business on capa.com slapple Insider cap ter is the leading free online resource to help you find the best software solution for your business with over 850,000 reviews of products from real software users discover everything you need to make an informed decision search more 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really glad uh uh I forgotten the term already um net neutrality I'm glad we've got net neutrality that's balancing out all these big Services sorry no what well so net neutrality was was two things net neutrality was the concept that all of these all traffic would be treated equally so that there would be no favoritism in terms of um incumbents like Netflix stopping other streaming services from coming in by creating contracts with the carriers to say you you give our traffic preference and charge the startup traffic more and yes but let me just you said something about the 5G in the home that I'll get back to that I'll get back to that cuz I want to say one more thing about net neutrality so the other part about net neutrality was that it was the idea that these preferential Partnerships or zero rating as it's called would not take place because that's another another way of of preferring one is the punitive we're going to charge the startup guy more for trying to compete with Netflix that's got a prior arrangement zero rating is the concept that uh says by subscribing to T-Mobile you get all of these streaming services for free which which puts all of the other streaming services at a disadvantage and that's what we're getting a lot of right now didn't care that much about streaming services I have Netflix and I use it enough that I would miss it if it went away but not much do you pay for Apple music uh yes I do I like that television though I look at Apple TV channels and so far so me out to but if you are on Verizon as a a carrier and you have one of two of their different plans they have the new unlimited plan and some other named plan that I can't recall and if you're on either one of those plans you get apple music for free forever yeah okay I've seen offers of so many months yeah I'm I'm on a different plan and so I have a six month for free offer um but if you're on one of those two plans then you have apple music free forever because they've zero rated it in partnership with apple okay well I hope you artist are still getting their cash oh absolutely they do they they get their royalties but uh essentially Verizon is paying for this as a way of of course keeping the consumer on board and also preventing any other music streaming service from catching on membership that way that's why Apple does it fair enough enough but 5G in the home yeah photoone I I'm sorry I can't remember if this is actually an announcement now we just uh expected but they were talking about having some sort of basically a 5G router for houses I imagine then is that just uh replacing my regular router so it's only 5G from the router to wherever I am or is it in some way plugging into the 5G Tower Network so if you have 5G service in your area and you get a 5G router for the home then what happens is you're getting that 1 gigabit link ideally to the home over cellular over 5G and then having that redistributed through Wi-Fi to your home devices and in that way they cut out you know virgin they cut out DSL they cut out whatever internet Ser you know BP you know uh who whoever BT rather whoever else is providing your internet and get you locked into vone and you don't have to worry about wired infrastructure being back hauled by some Street construction crew you don't have to worry about cables breaking or service outages in that way okay that sounds good then let's do that well you know it it would be considerably faster than than some of the services that I've had for internet when I was living in the UK and I I uh can see the value there the the caveats are all around the ideal situations right if you're too far from the Tower or if there's interference or if you're in a hole in a valley and don't get good reception and things like that so the window is in the East all that sort of stuff yes all the same problems you have with cellular okay I remember when 4G came uh to my City Birmingham it was incredibly patchy one end of a street right in the dead center of the city would have it and the next would not uh but yeah presumably these things get fixed over time yeah tower upgrades and so forth yeah yeah but it it makes it interesting because it puts the cable companies out like you said it puts the traditional internet distri companies out like like we're talking about and it really shifts the landscape in a in a sort of big way it it makes the cell phone carriers who' have never really been TV providers or music providers into those and we also have people like apple who have not been TV providers actually making the content so suddenly television is in the hands of people who don't know what they're doing well and and that was the thing was you know should Verizon buy a Netflix right should because they've got to compete with AT&T's Direct TV offering right you think somebody would buy Netflix there so many stories about everybody from Apple up should be buying FP around should Netflix buy Verizon and I I throw that without thinking about the numbers involved and doesn't even make sense you know the size disparity of the companies but but all of this stuff becomes more fluid right you do have to admire Verizon um excuse me um Netflix because they were in such bad States they were on the verge of closing the doors and they turned it around by making good programs I mean I'm a d a drama fan I think that's a a wonderful story defit Sal lesson all right so let's talk about vulnerabilities mine or yours well yours okay all right well I know all about mine so okay far away which one do you want to talk about now late at night when you're lonely what do you no uh actually I was going to talk about Apple's vulnerabilities okay apples vulnerabilities and this is this just like we were talking a few minutes ago about Intel not being able to do things properly for their 5G modem let's talk about Intel and CPUs yes oh I know where this is going yes indeed take it away tell tell me where this is going previously on Intel I'd have to look up the actual term that Intel uses for it but uh and I was going to call it I going to get the name wrong again it's zombie load I keep thinking Zombie Land I don't know why I near wrote that earlier zombie load this uh particular vulnerability that's existed in Intel processes so zombie L zombie load you got me doing it now is speculative execution vulnerabilities and I'll explain what those are in a moment and Zombie Land is Jesse Eisenberg and Woody harelson and uh Emily Emily Blunt and someone Breslin I'm so close on that I can't remember um but that was actually a fun movie guess guessing it had zombies in it though so I don't know how the name entered my head no not Emily Blunt Emma Stone Emma Stone so Woody harlson Jesse Eisenberg Emma stonein and it's a post-apocalyptic comedy zombie film another one of those grief okay Ro no no but it was really fun you I I can recommend you to watch that one I think you'll enjoy it you can recommend it and I'll thank you for that but uh it's okay so how is Apple upset by a zombie film so the the exploiter what what's the speculative execution vulnerability seriously you're asking me I did understand it when I wrote AEF story ex I I read 40 pages of Intel documentation about this and I am proud of the fact that I held it in my head for long enough to find something useful to write about it but it's not sticking in there now whereas I think you eat this stuff for breakfast so go on you tell me what is the speculative thing right so when when you have a processor and you can you can feed it chunks of information chunks of tasks to do things to calculate and it will go ahead and sort out how it can execute those to do them as quickly as possible and yes you know there we could discuss the old old uh John Rubenstein videos from the G4 and g5s where he was showing how different parts get executed by different parts of the processor or we could look back to the uh the the iPhone announcements where they've shown us that we have four cores two that are T and two that are slow and we use those to process things differently kind of thing but speculative execution is where we say we can predict that there are going to be things that follow these processes that we're being asked to calculate and so we can take the left branch and the right Branch or the the up branch and the down Branch or however you want to call them and and Cal start calculating down both of those paths speculatively and when the user or the program or whatever it is chooses one of those branches then we can just discard or ignore or forget about the alternate future that we were predicting and we'll just speculatively execute both paths so that it will be faster because we've already done all the work when the program gets there to ask for it okay that seems very nice and very straightforward yes let's do that then okay what could possibly go wrong yes exactly um so there's a vulnerability in the speculative execution that allows the the processor to leak data basically I don't really understand how it would do that but uh I can see could you okay does one know uh what data can be made to leak or is it just well I mean Open Hands I haven't really seen a good for this so I'm I'm not positive I mean it's it's not like it's there's something out there in the wild this is something that we need to do to prevent against it getting out there in the wild right right okay now right well that's here here's the problem is that if you eliminate speculative execution you could reduce system performance by as much as 40% oh yes um yeah you would be giving up uh this multi-threading thing and and ruining your life really uh but you'd be safe because of it now yeah I think you can tell I'm not that concerned about the 40% because I'm not going to do it um am I right to just be not all that fuss or is this end of the world type stuff well so it it depends on how you mitigate for this right if you disabled hyperthreading then then yeah that would reduce performance by as much as 40% but you know this this kind of reduction only applies if you do the full mitigation in the Mojave update and install security update 20193 for higher and S and enabled those and so you know everyone's going to be upset about reducing performance I paid for this machine and it's not as fast as what I paid for makes good sense except it's only an issue if the person managing the Mac really goes full bore on the mitigation and if if your max being used for secretive tasks if if the user if you are a potential subject for hacking attempts by a sophisticated bad actor um then yeah turn on that fullbore mitigation and go ahead disable hyperthreading and you know try and secure yourself if you are not that person if your risk model says that you're not being attacked by uh by by States or other Bad actors with lots and lots of money and power behind them then maybe you don't need to go with that full mitigation and and this is not just something that affects Max this is something that affects anything with an Intel processor and if you disable hyperthreading in Windows you will see the same performance loss yeah but it's Windows would I notice a performance loss that sorry you yeah all right um amazingly Apple's talking about moving allegedly talking about moving away from Intel I just I can't imagine why okay um whistling in the dark the serious thing is very few people are going to be troubled by this no no no I I don't want to say very few people and I don't want to say a lot of people what I want to say is that there there is a vulnerability and that I would rather that we were informed about it as opposed to being not informed about it especially since there are actions you can take so what you have to decide is what is your risk what's your risk model and act accordingly based on that right I'm working it out okay you you I I know I know listen to me being the boring old voice of reason but you know you you have to decide and this is this is true for anything when you take on any kind of technology or when you decide to make any piece of information public or private what's your risk model who do you want to have access to this thing and what are you doing to prevent it yeah but never had this trouble when you buying a kettle you know you just it did what it did and now you say that but I want to point out this morning I was filling up petrol at the at the petrol station I was getting gas from my car and I went inside to pay because I would prefer to go inside and pay and use the payment terminals at the counter in front of the employee than the terminals built into the gas pump is this because you long for human contact yes I'm desperate for it that's why I talk with you actually but the I wondered I'm not knocking that by the way that's I'm just well but there are a number of cases where gas pump terminals have been hacked and hacked with Bluetooth so it's possible for the thief who wants to steal your credit card details to do so via Bluetooth from the pump okay genuinely hadn't heard that before oh yeah now totally documented excellent and really really good yeah and you know I I went in and talked with the employee inside and she's like yeah you know I I understand it if one of those feels suspicious come in here instead and let us know and um so I do that and when I was talking to this morning she said that the the person in front of me was out there trying to use the the terminal the pump and came in because he was couldn't make it work and she she told me I have to reboot those things twice a day I have to reboot the gas pumps twice a day she said just like your computer and I said well when everything's a computer when you put a computer in everything you're going to have to do something like that maybe suddenly I'm hoping those gas pumps are homekit enabled you could just press a button in her phone all right that's the way we should go I think they're I I think that they are wired into the building as opposed to being Wireless okay fair enough and as we know a wire connection is more secure than a wireless connection so there you have it but uh I I think my advice goes like this I would tell our listeners that the Mojave patch feel free to go ahead and install it you should totally install the patch um decide for yourself whether or not you want to use the ability to turn off hyperthreading in Mojave or not I would also tell you that be mindful about where you get your software from be mindful about your network connections right that's a good point I mean I'm not very keen on the Mac App Store because most things I want aren't in there but it is a good source for this and at least you can trust that what imagined it even if the app isn't distrib uted in the Mac App Store if it's signed so that it takes part of gatekeeper and sandboxing then it's safe to use if if it says this is not safe to use and we're not going to do it um you know the path around that has been to go to security and system preferences and click open anyway and instead of doing that without thinking consider who's the developer and why haven't they gone to the trouble of signing their application sure it's hard to imag IM in uh a serious developer not doing it but I mean I'd be happy uh the Omni group for example uh I trust them with my credit card details and probably have done many many times over but it's when you go to those obscure download sites uh that colate things from all sorts of places and you're never quite sure where you know when you're trying to get little utilities to do something and the the developer of the utility doesn't appear to have their own website I get wary around then well mixed right if you're going to GitHub or something like that and getting it directly from the developer from his code site true that's a good point yes yeah you upgrade your smartphone your TV and your laptop but when's the last 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netgear.com swifi and the number six and we like some fast Wi-Fi I'm going to getting one of these and testing it out a little bit I actually have a wired connection uh to my Mac but the cable broke under the floor somewhere several years ago and I've never never quite got around fixing it so I put it with actually fairly slow Wi-Fi it's fast enough for me for now but I should take your wired connection and tape some fresh wire to it and pull it through like a needle and thread and fix that suer cuz nothing's better than wired connection you know that but yeah you know I'm just I'm looking at the flooring already and the work it would be to get it out no no just just pull it through you tape it to the old cable that's sticking out and you pull it through so you don't have to pull up flooring at all but it's broken broken in the middle somewhere I mean I think literally broken so uh pulling it through not not so much and has on two levels it's uh it's a job I'm not saying it's a bad job but it's uh there's there's a thing called a fishing tape which you can use to fish through the hole to get it to come up the other side and use that okay I just picturing me doing that strongly recommended now we should talk briefly about skateboards of course we should because I know that 5G skate skateboarder I liked them back to the future that was a hoverboard oh even before then in the first oh yeah no that was a scooter with the scooter part knocked off every now and again when you know you you're you're running somewhere the idea of just holding on to the back of a car and being given a tug that seems uh um illegal but good yes bad bad idea skateboards but I feel they're Laing right well let's not get into that issue but uh skateboards in general have always seemed to me to be lacking something and I think you're going to tell me that it's 5G Bluetooth um something else what's what's the skateboards of today give me that I need well so they tend to be connected to iPhones now and people like uh boosted boards and and evolve um so evolve open up pre-orders for their new GTR boards on Wednesday and they are the first of them to offer an iPhone app right so you can phone your skateboard while you're on it uh save yourself I mean I'm getting old my knees are hurting uh even though I can bend down that far no okay don't tell me so here's here's what happens is that when you have a connected skateboard like this what you usually do is you have a dedicated controller that pairs with it for Bluetooth that ows you to control the board for acceleration and breaking and so forth and you don't just put your foot out uh well for either if you're moving 12 miles an hour you do not just put your foot out 12 miles an hour on a skateboard okay yeah and that's things have moved on yeah and so it's also possible to use in some cases not necessarily evolves but in some cases the iPhone app as a way of rolling acceleration and not but the other things you want to use it for are battery status uh geolocation uh range monitoring so you don't get stuck with a a heavy skateboard out of battery oh sorry actually I was being thick there I wasn't thinking of motorized skateboards therefore I wasn't thinking your batteries right these are Vehicles really on the road okay explains the 12 mph bit as well okay one of the things that makes it interesting besides the iPhone app of course is that they're using a bendable battery pack bendable well when you get up on down on a skateboard and you're bouncing on it the the deck flexes a little bit and so they've accommodated for that okay they don't just put the battery at this uh know on the axle or something that doesn't Bend in the middle well you you need a large battery and so it has to be the length of the deck wow okay right bendable that's interesting yeah it really is I mean this is this is an interesting board and it's got really big wheels it looks like an off-roading board so I am intrigued an off-roading board yeah just okay and they they like some of the other skateboard manufacturers so there's there are two ways of doing this right one way is to put the motor on the deck and then use a belt to drive the wheels and what evolve are doing is they've gone ahead and put the wheel the motors in the wheel hubs which is a good idea because you got direct drive is that one motor per wheel then it is okay although you generally don't get four Motors you get you get Motors on just one end of the board right but so two opposite each other right I was just thinking how that would work with my limited mechanical knowledge but uh apart from you'd want them to be in sync really uh I can't see a problem with that okay that sounds good yeah now the these boards aren't exactly affordable they they do cost um this particular board we're talking about seems to start at about $1,899 sorry we I was so certain at the start that a skateboard I mean I like the idea of them for 10 minutes but you'll never convince me and slowly you've got me more interested and now dash it all ,800 so the more than the money I spend on my Mac Mini I could buy a skateboard here's the thing right we talk a lot about the future and the future being electric vehicles or future being self-driving vehicles or so forth but the truth is that if you don't need to carry anything with you and you don't need to have passengers necessarily then maybe something like a skateboard or a bicycle an electric bicycle is more appropriate okay I always have to carry things but yes right but I mean if we're talking about decongesting traffic if we're talking about um reducing the number of of highspeed accidents if we're talking about just getting around within a town or a city there are alternatives to the traditional gas powered car and uh you know things like this could be one of those that makes sense or we could all just work at home and all lose all human contact we can't all be William no there in fenis think everybody should have a turnone I think it's actually a stoning joke from Aaron sain but there we go yes okay all right I want I have one last item I want to talk about with you and and then we'll go ahead and wrap things up okay um why am I wary about this this feels ominous it's not got one more thing to say to you I I have one thing left to say to you bucko so end to end encryption yes good thing bad thing I think un questionably a good thing what it me what's it mean um from the start of the bit where you type to the end of the bit where you get information from it's all encrypted and safe and nobody can get in the way not even anyone in the middle well one would hope not I mean if you're transfer if if you're typing and it's encrypted and you're sending it through someone's service they can't get at it one would I'm now suddenly doubting myself just from the way you're looking at me uh but one would have thought that's the entire definition of endtoend encryption except you know better I know I I want to tell you that you're absolutely and entirely 100% correct okay that's a dear diary moment but all right yes except that it comes down to the implementation of such a thing oh okay I mean if you get it wrong you get it wrong I can say that yes okay so if you leave a bit out in the middle if if there's a security flaw in the design of it then there can be an exploit to that flaw yes you know are you thinking about uh Bloomberg's latest um uh how can we say this thorough um investigation of security technology so there was a WhatsApp attack that was particularly nasty which said that if you got a phone call through WhatsApp and didn't even answer it that that could then start sucking down all of your data from your phone and this this does exist there is an exploit for it update your WhatsApp immediately or just don't use WhatsApp but it is a real thing and I I should be careful I I overstate it when I say I can get anything from your phone but that's not exactly the case but the point is is that there is a vulnerability now that doesn't mean we should stop using endend encryption we should totally use end encryption um yes the the uh thing is is that we should be encouraging more encryption because it makes our Communications more safe and that the only people that I know of that have really discouraged people from using endend encryption have been people who have ulterior motives like governments that want to make sure that they have access in the event that they would like to see what people are talking about yes and that's not good but that makes everyone less safe encryption is for the most part usually a good thing you know you wish that that all of the uh the the um I'm I'm blanking on the name all the bad people in the world well no but years ago there a couple years ago there was a hack where employee records were uh stolen from government and they weren't encrypted at all had they been encrypted then those government employees would have been saved the hassle of dealing with identity theft right yes good point yes right encryption is not just good for the consumer it's good for government it's good for lots of places I mean I see government and place as consumers just uh quite a lot of them yes yes it's good for contract yeah yeah now the Bloomberg story that that was talking about this hack says that truly secure communication is only really possible in the analog world and then old school spycraft applies which is nominally true except that you know no no one's really encoding on paper their address records I'm sorry but I think you're being very generous to Bloomberg there the entire reason for that spycraft reference is that they didn't have a way to illustrate their story other than a shot from um Tinker dramatizations yeah yes which is very good film very good book very good original BBC adaptation but shoved in there just for the purposes of illustration yeah this this was a puff piece that basically said we should not encrypt stuff and that's dumb yes yes because a criminal could break into your house you might as well just leave the door open for everybody oh you don't need doors William what what's what's this nonsense you're being antisocial by having doors people should be able to walk freely through your place I want to hear the Little House on the Prairie music playing at this moment if you could sort that out okay yes I don't think I have the license for that okay right so uh Bloomberg stood up a Daft article uh and things but uh they did actually correct it to be fair uh at some point they've updated it to wedge in a line about how encryption is necessary um we wouldn't know that but they in full disclosure they actually say at the bottom brackets updated to reflect what encryption actually does you know something you would have thought the article would have said first but there it is so yeah frustrating also dangerous I think I mean I'm we're amused by it because we know what it's about but if you don't know I was looking into it to see what people were thinking and there were lots of discussions on Twitter uh about um people who' never thought about it before uh wondering if this was correct so it had already put basically nonsense information into people's heads and those people were trying to find out but how many of us bother to find out everything I mean I certainly don't yeah difficult stuff very difficult stuff well William this brings us to the end of a fantastic episode I'm so glad to have you back thank you it's nice to be here doing this with you instead of in my own head and 800 odd documents don't go away again soon I will try not to thank you well I'm Victor you can find me at V marks on Twitter I want to recommend all of our listeners check out the podcast of a dear friend of mine Scout now Scout has the Scout Tech podcast it's on iTunes it's on anchor.fm scouttech and she interviews people and finds out all about their careers from the point of a 13-year-old it's really enlightening being able to listen to people in technology explain themselves to a person of that age you start to learn a little bit more about things she's interviewed particle physicists and this week she's interviewing Jason Leupold who files Freedom of Information Act requests with the government so it's pretty cool to hear about William where can people find you on the internet well clearly listening to this podcast sounds good I'll be listening to that uh but probably sitting beside uh w gallaga on Twitter or William appleinsider.com the email fantastic we'll be back next week everybody and when we do I want you to think about when's the last time you upgraded your home Wi-Fi turn your Wi-Fi up a notch with netgear's new line of Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 routers whether you're gaming online or watching Netflix in 4k it's like giving your streaming the VIP treatment you'll enjoy buffer-free streaming and zero lag no matter how many devices are connected to your network upgrade your router at netgear.com WiFi 6 make your Wi-Fi feel young again wouldn't we all like to feel young again I am so I'm fine perfect okay we'll be back next week everybodyyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome back to another episode of the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor and joining me is William what's his name okay good to be back thanks for that welcome um I could see you from here looking around to see where there any alternatives but seemingly there weren't so I'll take that hi how you have you been didn't look very long either it is good to have you back William thank you for letting me tease you about that now where what you were gone for like a long time yes and I can't properly tell you what it is because it's a sensitive you you were in communicado yes I spent uh all of last week in a history archive researching uh a particular book nothing to do with apple or techn ology uh but very intense so I just switched off everything and concentrated on the 1,700 documents I had to read and unfortunately I only managed to get through 800 in the week so I don't know what to do next okay right that's that puts you in a supreme deficit right I thought you might have some sort of speed reading tip there but uh yeah not so much okay I I am a fan of the concept of book scanning and being able to have these documents at your disposal rather than being locked in the musty Cellar of some moldy library and well I'm not but also I wasn't kidding about sensitive these documents are locked away for 50 years I have uh express permission to uh read them but no one else can so can't take them out can't split the load between people it's all very uh it's it's really interesting but uh right now it's just overwhelming as well yeah no I I uh I I like the idea of scanning for archival purposes you know the paper gets eaten by by animals bugs such it gets moldy it runs at risk of physical damage the idea of scanning And archiving sort of offloads that risk to the idea of of bit rot or digital rot or format rot but at least there's now something else that might survive a flood for example yes uh I can't tell you where the archive was because it would actually give away operational security in that firewall 12 km of uh shelving that's all temperature controlled and things that and actually they are working to put as much of it all online as they can but it's you know it's a 10 year 20 year product project with all the stuff they've got in there and go Google has done some very interesting work at UH at creating book scanners for this kind of purpose they're you know typically when you think of book scanner you think of a flatbed scanner where you open it up and and you know bend the spine and there have been ones that keep the the book open at 45° or 60° and then you can scan each page separately kind of thing Google invented one that lays the book down on top of a prism and then uses small amounts of vacuum to change Pages wow and that was really intriguing and they open sourced it they published the plans for this thing and I have thought one day if I have plenty of time which never happens that I would want to reproduce the thing I worked on a book of radio times covers radio times is UK cment of TV Guide it's particularly famous for its covers or it was and uh I I worked on a book on it in the end but many years ago we just wanted a few key ones displayed on the wall and the only copies we had were bound copies of the magazine so I was photographing them on a camera and then using Photoshop to un uh warp them and things and you know not brilliantly successful but enough that they were displayable in the office so yeah and and this prison Arrangement thing you know with its with its vacuum would have taken care of that and accommodated it for you yeah let me down though didn't they didn't invent it in time absolutely okay now how do we get onto that yes anyway so hi you know I I think that backup is a reasonable top we could do a whole show about backup the the importance of it and and what you ought to do you know I was reviewing a uh a network attached storage device by signology this week and they make time machine possible to do over the network so if you you used to have a time capsule product or you used to have a hard drive connected to your AirPort Extreme and you you no longer have that um you could connect a hard drive to a signology router like the the rt2600 AC that I reviewed a few months back or you could connect it your your network have storage device and do that and have your your time machine backups on the network that way and backup is just so critical you know they they also have cool things in the the product like the ability to make your own cloud and use your own cloud applications so you can see your files and access and view them from iOS apps or also from the mac and so take a look for that review time ago I was very tempted to uh go down the drobo route with their transporter thing but I believe they' stopped doing that for consumers but sonology is the same idea for everyone sonology has been doing it for a lot longer drobo was was attempting to do their own raray with with a Twist kind of thing and signology keeps that pretty standard they they don't fool around with what the drive balancing is like and stuff like that they just here is your network attach storage device you can arrange the volumes in a raid so for example I have uh let's see I have about 34 terabytes in in one of those units sitting on my network and it works great for multimedia so I can go ahead and have media stored on it and display that on Apple TV or my phone and and do it both inside or outside my home network um I have documents and mail and chat and all those kinds of operations on there and can use it as my own personal Dropbox or Google Drive kind of thing it's pretty cool that way I am struggling with a a Mac Mini that I love but has uh the smallest uh SSD you can get a couldn't afford a bigger one and I also knew that I had tons of external hard drives uh but I am struggling to manage it all and find some sort of system for how to get stuff off when I'm done with it so get it back quickly I I would suggest uh a network cash storage device like this for you and I would suggest using your just just as Apple encourages people to use documents and desktop as iCloud yeah I would encourage you to go ahead and create folders from the network and mount them as as volumes on your Mac and set them up to autom mount and just use those as your storage okay that makes sense you know your Mac Mini isn't like a portable laptop right your Mac Mini doesn't travel very far so you could use for things that don't have to be quick from the SSD but could take you know a split second to load from the network do that that makes sense though actually I have traveled with this Mac it is so ludicrously small it's very handy well but the other beauty of the the network tax storage is that because on the network if you go ahead and um create what they call a quick connect which is essentially Dynamic DNS then you can access all of your files that are home while you're traveling I think I do that through iCloud drive you know if if you were for example paranoid about Dropbox or paranoid about Google drive or or not all in on iCloud then this would be a way of of you know planting your flag in the ground and saying I'm going to do it on myself my own going to do it for myself and not be beholden to any other company except sonology well but you know they aren't charging a subscription for storage they're they're simply selling a product okay happens to be hard I'm starting to think it's I've got this funny feeling that if B all of this stuff I could have spent that money on a bigger mini but you know we are where we are yes yeah and and of course there are some other things that you can do around this kind of idea that I'll talk to you offline about cool CU I don't want to borrow um oh okay my problems are well I'll tell you what what I really fancy is one of these giant uh ultrawide curved monitors I'd really like one of those uh so any advice on that that would be very nice including how to pay for it that would be uh well can't tell you about how to pay for it exactly but in the United States at this moment there seems to be a TV refresh going around around in stores and so as I walk into stores I'm seeing sets from from six months ago sets from last year on clearance and among those is a 65in curved display I read a piece once for Apple Insider about the the actual differences between TVs uh and monitors um I can't remember I came away thinking monitors would a better value but that makes a difference well it it depends a little bit I mean there are things like color reproduction and color accuracy there's refresh there's contrast and so forth and also you you don't want too large a monitor because in a monitor context you're sitting right in front of it whereas a TV you're 6 to 10 ft away um that's it I was forgetting that yes and you know having something that's that's meant for a six foot viewing distance right in front of your eyes is overwhelming and bad but the um there also the resolution right now now the resolution question is kind of irrelevant because there are 4K displays that are common TVs but it's it's still it's just picking the right tool for the job I think yes um I moved from a sorry this is really terribly DET I moved from a 2012 iMac to a 2018 Mac Mini and I bought just a basic what HD monitor I can't remember what it is but I I miss the larger screen of even the 2012 uh I'm ma the resolution was nicer and size so I just want to be happy with a new monitor and I want you to be happy thank you but now I have to going help me with the money so okay but right so uh what's is this are we talking like this because nothing's going on in the world with apple no plenty of things going on so first of all but it's not with apple uh Huawei maker of fine cell phones and network equipment everywhere I'm not proud of this but I'm very glad that you said the name first because I genuinely struggle was one of those words I have trouble spelling but also uh saying as well so them lot there they're having some problems out there say WWE WWE okay there you go yeah um so right remember I'm in the UK where basically we just let them do what they like so you know for years and years there there have been Rumblings coming from Washington DC about Huawei and about ZTE or ZTE and and basically being casting aspersions that these are products that are are made by Huawei Huawei being a Chinese company the Chinese government having their hands in Chinese companies and therefore that these products were susceptible to surveilling American Communications right uh any chance we know if that's true not exactly okay um you know it's it's not that there's any hard proof in that although uh Dutch newspaper deul Grant cited intelligence sources as saying that huah had created a back door on the network of an unnamed telecoms firm and that their intelligence agency aivd was investigating whether the vulnerability had enabled spying by the Chinese government you see all these important things going on in my mind goes straight to I couldn't pronounce the Dutch newspaper's name either I am the most IG man in the planet okay well so F first of all people who are in the know will remember that the US's NSA National Security Agency had intercepted packages destined for for recipients of telecoms gear made by Cisco and had modified it to surveil them so now I didn't know that uh sorry is that quite a recent no no it's several years old now okay so that sounds quite um ominous really but it was all sorted out uh I think it still goes on okay um are we all thinking of the Bloomberg um accusation from what last October this is not like the Bloomberg accusation in well I mean the Huawei accusation kind of is but for the NSA accusation there there was evidence for that and it was not planting chips on the board as Bloomberg was accusing super micro of doing or or being victim of it was uh firmware modifications to Cisco networking gear that have been sent out all right which even I think is possible compared to uh soling an extra right processor onto the BL I mean it's a network product it's connected to the network routing more traffic to another destination is is not outside the realm of possibility here and that's really the concern around Huawei is that huawei's products are used in Telecom uh to to Route data to be the 5G equipment in the back room kind of thing and so first what's happened is that uh government agencies in the United States have been barred from buying huawe and ZT products that happened in 2018 uh in January the US unsealed a 13-count indictment against Huawei accusing it and Chief Financial Officer M wanju of defrauding Financial firms by lying about its relationship with an alleged front business operating in Iran and mang was arrested in Canada a month earlier on a US warrant she's still fighting extradition she does not want to be extradited to the US and and that comes down to the notion that we have sanctions in the United States against doing business with with Iran because we don't want to um you know if Iran is the state the repressive state that the US says it is then the US doesn't want to make it comfortable for that country they want to use sanctions as a way of trying discouraging that that bad behavior she's still uh in Canada Canada um where are we five months on yep wow there are worse places to be I mean Canada's lovely yes but one imagines I mean she's a CFO you think she has quite a lot to do is she able to do it from there I mean I would I'm not assing innocence until proven guilt I'm I'm not sure you know it we're we're saying that she's still the CFO although if we're mistaken it's possible I mean um at some point it could be like Carlos Goen in Japan where he's he's been accused and imprisoned a few different times as the Japanese try and prove their case against him to the point where he was no longer able to fulfill his responsibilities as CEO of Renault and uh of Nissan so she's probably not really having a holiday in Canada let's put it like that probably not if you're busy fighting extradition it's not much of a holiday no no no and you can't even go to Disneyland which I understand is it's very nice and also not in Canada a little far away well you know her choice she could come to the States but okay and also not get into Disneyland Yeah Yeah well yeah but from closer okay right so that's that's kind of the problem with Huawei and it's it's a problem for us all why can you guess uh because uh ifaw has all of these difficulties it could actually cease to be and uh we wouldn't get phones that I understand have very nice cameras well it's not only about the phones it's the problem with the networking gear is that if you want 5G Cellular Communications you have to have a phone that has a 5G chip in it right yes and actually I could I can break some news here 5G is coming to my area of the UK around June July time yeah um I'm hoping my iPhone will work with it okay your iPhone will not work with it immediately and we'll talk about that in a moment but but here's the problem is that you have to have the 5G part in the phone but you also have to have the 5G part at the towers at the offices for the the cellular communication companies yeah I can't afford a tower what are they asking me to do and so okay yes so if you don't have both parts of those things in place then you can't offer that service and Huawei is is basically poised to become a major player in 5G infrastructure or at least they were until this intervention so okay I'm wondering I seriously wondering how that will affect its work in the UK because one imagines the UK where it's poised to do the same thing is such a smaller Market compared to the states that it's probably not uh economically viable compared to well doing the US and the other question is is the UK because the UK and and the United States are a close Partners in many things is the UK going to follow along with this ban well so far we've been making more fuss uh about uh leaks about the discussions than about the discussions themselves so I would bet probably not although hang on we do have brexit don't we that's a good point um yeah I wouldn't bet on haway Surviving well uh here either I mean vone is is going to switch on 5G on July 3D and ah right that's the one I'd heard about yes and so well I couldn't be sure if you talking about vone or you're talking about e or something else but um no I didn't know the date but it was verone and I I've heard rumors that EA is following soon but uh I I'm on a so I hope that's true all right well vone is going to be using the Huawei 5G technology oh yeah maybe everybody should just wait for Apple to bring out 5G modems well but Apple isn't going to be doing the backend stuff Apple's not going to be making the equipment for the network closets so apple is doomed then you know yet again who who else can you imagine might offer 5G equipment I genely haven't the faintest idea uh I couldn't even tell you the players in the market I mean I only knew about hway CU I've read there's a simple company small outfit you may have heard of called Qualcomm oh right yes yes yeah so so Qualcomm doesn't typically make this kind of backend product but they make parts that could enable it so you might get a Cisco product for example that works with the the Qualcomm part now I I have no insight into production of such a thing but obviously if Huawei is not going to be available for purchase especially for government contracts that um that that's going to mean there's an opening there in the market maybe Intel will run to uh fill it cuz they're not doing anything else well and Intel as as you remember um just got a tongue lashing from Apple so we we know that the Intel part has never performed as well as the Qualcomm part as a modem in the phones and in 2017 uh Hardware Technologies VP Johnny suuji is is said to have barked at Intel's venata renala during a meeting at infinite Loop according to a source for the information now suuji was frustrated with Intel's work on the xmm 7560 which was intended for the 2018 iPhones the modem wasn't functioning properly two sources said and even though Intel had already overhauled it four times to pry and put it on par with the Qualcomm chips and they missed multiple deadlines along the way it it still wasn't working right and suuji said has reported to have said this would never have happened at Apple under my watch and apple is believed to be creating their own 5G modem under suuji senior staff for telling Engineers the Chip's going to be coming in 2025 now 2025 you go oh my God that's a long way away oh yeah are you watching years and years Russell T Davis's new thing that's already moved on to 2024 it's closer than you think well it's closer than you think and also the thing to remember is it takes about 2 years to to do an iPhone start start shipping and so what that says is that they're going to be using qualcomm's 5G chips across the board for the 2020 iPhones and they'll they'll get one more generation out them for 2022 and then by 2024 2025 they'll be ready to use their own they'll probably be developing and testing this all the way long because they're they're working on it now so so they'll produce them they'll test them they'll have them going on and then switch over to them for the phone for that after they've proven that they're really ready to go I know this is inevitable but every time Apple comes out with a new iPhone there's a little bit of me that thinks they're standing there saying this is the greatest thing ever but they know what the next one's going to be and presumably it's going to be better every time isn't Johnny I have recently said something like he's Forever Living two years in the future something like that but the thing is that the two years in the future stuff isn't in mass production is is frequently not even ready for beta testing and so the most he could actually live is like you know a year in the future to six months in the future if he were talking about a device that was in testing that was something he take out into the world and use and remember take out into the world is also skeptical because now you have to hide it and prevent that it's not in the you know the form factor that it is and all that stuff so it's but Apple Park is so big you just go out for a stroll you'd be fine it's true fair enough but the um so 5G really that's what's uh we're just waiting on 5G is what we're doing well we're going to get all kinds of other cool stuff along the way to 5G uh such as I I know right now isn't there a thing in the States where there's I'm sorry I think it's AT&T but I can't remember that sewing 5G when really it's four and a bit G or something yeah AT&T were doing that Sprint sued them um there's there's a whole cruffle about that right now and Verizon has said that they're launching 5G although their 5G is sort of a draft 5G it's not real 5G but it's not 4 and a half G like AT&T's uh but okay Verizon's let everyone know that when they're really doing 5G that they're going to charge you a premium for it that that you can get your 4gte as you always have been but if you want the good stuff you're going to have to pay more as opposed to your Voda phone over on your side of things where they're totally content to say hey 5G come at it no additional price premium yes well I imagine vone is counting on the fact that when you can do more with your phone you will do more and so that therefore you know they'll get you own caps and rates and things like that uh but still I was surprised I I took it for granted I unthinkingly assumed I'd have to pay more for 5G so uh good on vone I mean the rule is that whatever AT&T wants to do is going to be customer abusive you guess that right away because AT&T has never been been very good at this stuff right they've always tried to find ways to make you use less or tried to change the definition of their terms of their contract so they don't have to provide the service that you actually were getting right are they the lot that change the word unlimited to mean very limited that is them yes but this is Marbel isn't it I can't remember my American Telephone history but um right so American Telephone and Telegraph we trusted American Telephone and Telegraph or Mell uh was the one monolithic company until about 1984 when they were broken up and they split off into the baby bells and there was Southwestern Bell and Pacific Bell and the Mid-Atlantic Bell and uh and and Bell South and so on and and along the way some of those renamed themselves Bell South became singular uh pack Bell or Pacific Bell um changed names a couple times uh to the ones I can't remember um Southern Pacific Bell became uh or Southwestern Bell became Sprint along the way um singular actually bought uh AT&T and and so they remerged and they're re sort of re re uh conglomerating themselves singular bought AT&T and then renamed themselves AT&T and in all of that as soon as we said Mar Bell bony m music has been running through my head that's Verizon Verizon was Mid-Atlantic bell all right well there you go you didn't say that God did they make all those great Mid-Atlantic dramas no kidding yep yeah yeah so we are on the road to 5G and it's going to take a while but the people shrug and say you know what what do I care if I have faster Network speeds what what do I care if my phone gets any faster right what do I care if my phone's data gets any any faster well so 5G does a couple different things besides providing super fast speeds you know it's it's basically said that you can get gigabit Fiber speeds or gigabit internet speeds over cellular using 5G presuming that everything else is correct now the problem is that your distance to the tower has to be shorter for that to work so you're going to have to be closer to towers for that to happen but if you can get 5G over Cellular in the home then it means yeah that you can give up your DSL you can give up your cable modem you can give up your your fiber modem although that would be the one that I would probably hesitate to give up um but getting a gigabit over cellular and all you have to do is is rent a cellular to Wi-Fi router from the cellular service and you have faster in it than you could get from cable is in an Ideal World a really good thing um and it has some weird business KnockOn effects for example if you're getting your internet from your cable company and you give up on that and you get it from your cellular company and then you give up on your cable channels and you get your cable channels over streaming then the cable companies go away great for all those years the cable companies disrupted network television and now the same thing has happened to them yeah well everything comes back it it does but one of the things that happens is you get companies like AT&T where they were Distributing their TV Services over fiber or DSL and Direct TV over satellite and now they're making the bundle for Direct TV go so that you can continue to get those kinds of channels through your Apple TV and Roku we all have that friend who's the first one to try things whether they're super trendy or more of a guinea pig when you're making a choice it's always nice to hear it from someone who's been there done that choosing the right software for your business is no different read thousands of real software reviews to help you choose the right software for your business on capa.com slapple Insider cap ter is the leading free online resource to help you find the best software 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not take place because that's another another way of of preferring one is the punitive we're going to charge the startup guy more for trying to compete with Netflix that's got a prior arrangement zero rating is the concept that uh says by subscribing to T-Mobile you get all of these streaming services for free which which puts all of the other streaming services at a disadvantage and that's what we're getting a lot of right now didn't care that much about streaming services I have Netflix and I use it enough that I would miss it if it went away but not much do you pay for Apple music uh yes I do I like that television though I look at Apple TV channels and so far so me out to but if you are on Verizon as a a carrier and you have one of two of their different plans they have the new unlimited plan and some other named plan that I can't recall and if you're on either one of those plans you get apple music for free forever yeah okay I've seen offers of so many months yeah I'm I'm on a different plan and so I have a six month for free offer um but if you're on one of those two plans then you have apple music free forever because they've zero rated it in partnership with apple okay well I hope you artist are still getting their cash oh absolutely they do they they get their royalties but uh essentially Verizon is paying for this as a way of of course keeping the consumer on board and also preventing any other music streaming service from catching on membership that way that's why Apple does it fair enough enough but 5G in the home yeah photoone I I'm sorry I can't remember if this is actually an announcement now we just uh expected but they were talking about having some sort of basically a 5G router for houses I imagine then is that just uh replacing my regular router so it's only 5G from the router to wherever I am or is it in some way plugging into the 5G Tower Network so if you have 5G service in your area and you get a 5G router for the home then what happens is you're getting that 1 gigabit link ideally to the home over cellular over 5G and then having that redistributed through Wi-Fi to your home devices and in that way they cut out you know virgin they cut out DSL they cut out whatever internet Ser you know BP you know uh who whoever BT rather whoever else is providing your internet and get you locked into vone and you don't have to worry about wired infrastructure being back hauled by some Street construction crew you don't have to worry about cables breaking or service outages in that way okay that sounds good then let's do that well you know it it would be considerably faster than than some of the services that I've had for internet when I was living in the UK and I I uh can see the value there the the caveats are all around the ideal situations right if you're too far from the Tower or if there's interference or if you're in a hole in a valley and don't get good reception and things like that so the window is in the East all that sort of stuff yes all the same problems you have with cellular okay I remember when 4G came uh to my City Birmingham it was incredibly patchy one end of a street right in the dead center of the city would have it and the next would not uh but yeah presumably these things get fixed over time yeah tower upgrades and so forth yeah yeah but it it makes it interesting because it puts the cable companies out like you said it puts the traditional internet distri companies out like like we're talking about and it really shifts the landscape in a in a sort of big way it it makes the cell phone carriers who' have never really been TV providers or music providers into those and we also have people like apple who have not been TV providers actually making the content so suddenly television is in the hands of people who don't know what they're doing well and and that was the thing was you know should Verizon buy a Netflix right should because they've got to compete with AT&T's Direct TV offering right you think somebody would buy Netflix there so many stories about everybody from Apple up should be buying FP around should Netflix buy Verizon and I I throw that without thinking about the numbers involved and doesn't even make sense you know the size disparity of the companies but but all of this stuff becomes more fluid right you do have to admire Verizon um excuse me um Netflix because they were in such bad States they were on the verge of closing the doors and they turned it around by making good programs I mean I'm a d a drama fan I think that's a a wonderful story defit Sal lesson all right so let's talk about vulnerabilities mine or yours well yours okay all right well I know all about mine so okay far away which one do you want to talk about now late at night when you're lonely what do you no uh actually I was going to talk about Apple's vulnerabilities okay apples vulnerabilities and this is this just like we were talking a few minutes ago about Intel not being able to do things properly for their 5G modem let's talk about Intel and CPUs yes oh I know where this is going yes indeed take it away tell tell me where this is going previously on Intel I'd have to look up the actual term that Intel uses for it but uh and I was going to call it I going to get the name wrong again it's zombie load I keep thinking Zombie Land I don't know why I near wrote that earlier zombie load this uh particular vulnerability that's existed in Intel processes so zombie L zombie load you got me doing it now is speculative execution vulnerabilities and I'll explain what those are in a moment and Zombie Land is Jesse Eisenberg and Woody harelson and uh Emily Emily Blunt and someone Breslin I'm so close on that I can't remember um but that was actually a fun movie guess guessing it had zombies in it though so I don't know how the name entered my head no not Emily Blunt Emma Stone Emma Stone so Woody harlson Jesse Eisenberg Emma stonein and it's a post-apocalyptic comedy zombie film another one of those grief okay Ro no no but it was really fun you I I can recommend you to watch that one I think you'll enjoy it you can recommend it and I'll thank you for that but uh it's okay so how is Apple upset by a zombie film so the the exploiter what what's the speculative execution vulnerability seriously you're asking me I did understand it when I wrote AEF story ex I I read 40 pages of Intel documentation about this and I am proud of the fact that I held it in my head for long enough to find something useful to write about it but it's not sticking in there now whereas I think you eat this stuff for breakfast so go on you tell me what is the speculative thing right so when when you have a processor and you can you can feed it chunks of information chunks of tasks to do things to calculate and it will go ahead and sort out how it can execute those to do them as quickly as possible and yes you know there we could discuss the old old uh John Rubenstein videos from the G4 and g5s where he was showing how different parts get executed by different parts of the processor or we could look back to the uh the the iPhone announcements where they've shown us that we have four cores two that are T and two that are slow and we use those to process things differently kind of thing but speculative execution is where we say we can predict that there are going to be things that follow these processes that we're being asked to calculate and so we can take the left branch and the right Branch or the the up branch and the down Branch or however you want to call them and and Cal start calculating down both of those paths speculatively and when the user or the program or whatever it is chooses one of those branches then we can just discard or ignore or forget about the alternate future that we were predicting and we'll just speculatively execute both paths so that it will be faster because we've already done all the work when the program gets there to ask for it okay that seems very nice and very straightforward yes let's do that then okay what could possibly go wrong yes exactly um so there's a vulnerability in the speculative execution that allows the the processor to leak data basically I don't really understand how it would do that but uh I can see could you okay does one know uh what data can be made to leak or is it just well I mean Open Hands I haven't really seen a good for this so I'm I'm not positive I mean it's it's not like it's there's something out there in the wild this is something that we need to do to prevent against it getting out there in the wild right right okay now right well that's here here's the problem is that if you eliminate speculative execution you could reduce system performance by as much as 40% oh yes um yeah you would be giving up uh this multi-threading thing and and ruining your life really uh but you'd be safe because of it now yeah I think you can tell I'm not that concerned about the 40% because I'm not going to do it um am I right to just be not all that fuss or is this end of the world type stuff well so it it depends on how you mitigate for this right if you disabled hyperthreading then then yeah that would reduce performance by as much as 40% but you know this this kind of reduction only applies if you do the full mitigation in the Mojave update and install security update 20193 for higher and S and enabled those and so you know everyone's going to be upset about reducing performance I paid for this machine and it's not as fast as what I paid for makes good sense except it's only an issue if the person managing the Mac really goes full bore on the mitigation and if if your max being used for secretive tasks if if the user if you are a potential subject for hacking attempts by a sophisticated bad actor um then yeah turn on that fullbore mitigation and go ahead disable hyperthreading and you know try and secure yourself if you are not that person if your risk model says that you're not being attacked by uh by by States or other Bad actors with lots and lots of money and power behind them then maybe you don't need to go with that full mitigation and and this is not just something that affects Max this is something that affects anything with an Intel processor and if you disable hyperthreading in Windows you will see the same performance loss yeah but it's Windows would I notice a performance loss that sorry you yeah all right um amazingly Apple's talking about moving allegedly talking about moving away from Intel I just I can't imagine why okay um whistling in the dark the serious thing is very few people are going to be troubled by this no no no I I don't want to say very few people and I don't want to say a lot of people what I want to say is that there there is a vulnerability and that I would rather that we were informed about it as opposed to being not informed about it especially since there are actions you can take so what you have to decide is what is your risk what's your risk model and act accordingly based on that right I'm working it out okay you you I I know I know listen to me being the boring old voice of reason but you know you you have to decide and this is this is true for anything when you take on any kind of technology or when you decide to make any piece of information public or private what's your risk model who do you want to have access to this thing and what are you doing to prevent it yeah but never had this trouble when you buying a kettle you know you just it did what it did and now you say that but I want to point out this morning I was filling up petrol at the at the petrol station I was getting gas from my car and I went inside to pay because I would prefer to go inside and pay and use the payment terminals at the counter in front of the employee than the terminals built into the gas pump is this because you long for human contact yes I'm desperate for it that's why I talk with you actually but the I wondered I'm not knocking that by the way that's I'm just well but there are a number of cases where gas pump terminals have been hacked and hacked with Bluetooth so it's possible for the thief who wants to steal your credit card details to do so via Bluetooth from the pump okay genuinely hadn't heard that before oh yeah now totally documented excellent and really really good yeah and you know I I went in and talked with the employee inside and she's like yeah you know I I understand it if one of those feels suspicious come in here instead and let us know and um so I do that and when I was talking to this morning she said that the the person in front of me was out there trying to use the the terminal the pump and came in because he was couldn't make it work and she she told me I have to reboot those things twice a day I have to reboot the gas pumps twice a day she said just like your computer and I said well when everything's a computer when you put a computer in everything you're going to have to do something like that maybe suddenly I'm hoping those gas pumps are homekit enabled you could just press a button in her phone all right that's the way we should go I think they're I I think that they are wired into the building as opposed to being Wireless okay fair enough and as we know a wire connection is more secure than a wireless connection so there you have it but uh I I think my advice goes like this I would tell our listeners that the Mojave patch feel free to go ahead and install it you should totally install the patch um decide for yourself whether or not you want to use the ability to turn off hyperthreading in Mojave or not I would also tell you that be mindful about where you get your software from be mindful about your network connections right that's a good point I mean I'm not very keen on the Mac App Store because most things I want aren't in there but it is a good source for this and at least you can trust that what imagined it even if the app isn't distrib uted in the Mac App Store if it's signed so that it takes part of gatekeeper and sandboxing then it's safe to use if if it says this is not safe to use and we're not going to do it um you know the path around that has been to go to security and system preferences and click open anyway and instead of doing that without thinking consider who's the developer and why haven't they gone to the trouble of signing their application sure it's hard to imag IM in uh a serious developer not doing it but I mean I'd be happy uh the Omni group for example uh I trust them with my credit card details and probably have done many many times over but it's when you go to those obscure download sites uh that colate things from all sorts of places and you're never quite sure where you know when you're trying to get little utilities to do something and the the developer of the utility doesn't appear to have their own website I get wary around then well mixed right if you're going to GitHub or something like that and 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the middle somewhere I mean I think literally broken so uh pulling it through not not so much and has on two levels it's uh it's a job I'm not saying it's a bad job but it's uh there's there's a thing called a fishing tape which you can use to fish through the hole to get it to come up the other side and use that okay I just picturing me doing that strongly recommended now we should talk briefly about skateboards of course we should because I know that 5G skate skateboarder I liked them back to the future that was a hoverboard oh even before then in the first oh yeah no that was a scooter with the scooter part knocked off every now and again when you know you you're you're running somewhere the idea of just holding on to the back of a car and being given a tug that seems uh um illegal but good yes bad bad idea skateboards but I feel they're Laing right well let's not get into that issue but uh skateboards in general have always seemed to me to be lacking something and I think you're going to tell me that it's 5G Bluetooth um something else what's what's the skateboards of today give me that I need well so they tend to be connected to iPhones now and people like uh boosted boards and and evolve um so evolve open up pre-orders for their new GTR boards on Wednesday and they are the first of them to offer an iPhone app right so you can phone your skateboard while you're on it uh save yourself I mean I'm getting old my knees are hurting uh even though I can bend down that far no okay don't tell me so here's here's what happens is that when you have a connected skateboard like this what you usually do is you have a dedicated controller that pairs with it for Bluetooth that ows you to control the board for acceleration and breaking and so forth and you don't just put your foot out uh well for either if you're moving 12 miles an hour you do not just put your foot out 12 miles an hour on a skateboard okay yeah and that's things have moved on yeah and so it's also possible to use in some cases not necessarily evolves but in some cases the iPhone app as a way of rolling acceleration and not but the other things you want to use it for are battery status uh geolocation uh range monitoring so you don't get stuck with a a heavy skateboard out of battery oh sorry actually I was being thick there I wasn't thinking of motorized skateboards therefore I wasn't thinking your batteries right these are Vehicles really on the road okay explains the 12 mph bit as well okay one of the things that makes it interesting besides the iPhone app of course is that they're using a bendable battery pack bendable well when you get up on down on a skateboard and you're bouncing on it the the deck flexes a little bit and so they've accommodated for that okay they don't just put the battery at this uh know on the axle or something that doesn't Bend in the middle well you you need a large battery and so it has to be the length of the deck wow okay right bendable that's interesting yeah it really is I mean this is this is an interesting board and it's got really big wheels it looks like an off-roading board so I am intrigued an off-roading board yeah just okay and they they like some of the other skateboard manufacturers so there's there are two ways of doing this right one way is to put the motor on the deck and then use a belt to drive the wheels and what evolve are doing is they've gone ahead and put the wheel the motors in the wheel hubs which is a good idea because you got direct drive is that one motor per wheel then it is okay although you generally don't get four Motors you get you get Motors on just one end of the board right but so two opposite each other right I was just thinking how that would work with my limited mechanical knowledge but uh apart from you'd want them to be in sync really uh I can't see a problem with that okay that sounds good yeah now the these boards aren't exactly affordable they they do cost um this particular board we're talking about seems to start at about $1,899 sorry we I was so certain at the start that a skateboard I mean I like the idea of them for 10 minutes but you'll never convince me and slowly you've got me more interested and now dash it all ,800 so the more than the money I spend on my Mac Mini I could buy a skateboard here's the thing right we talk a lot about the future and the future being electric vehicles or future being self-driving vehicles or so forth but the truth is that if you don't need to carry anything with you and you don't need to have passengers necessarily then maybe something like a skateboard or a bicycle an electric bicycle is more appropriate okay I always have to carry things but yes right but I mean if we're talking about decongesting traffic if we're talking about um reducing the number of of highspeed accidents if we're talking about just getting around within a town or a city there are alternatives to the traditional gas powered car and uh you know things like this could be one of those that makes sense or we could all just work at home and all lose all human contact we can't all be William no there in fenis think everybody should have a turnone I think it's actually a stoning joke from Aaron sain but there we go yes okay all right I want I have one last item I want to talk about with you and and then we'll go ahead and wrap things up okay um why am I wary about this this feels ominous it's not got one more thing to say to you I I have one thing left to say to you bucko so end to end encryption yes good thing bad thing I think un questionably a good thing what it me what's it mean um from the start of the bit where you type to the end of the bit where you get information from it's all encrypted and safe and nobody can get in the way not even anyone in the middle well one would hope not I mean if you're transfer if if you're typing and it's encrypted and you're sending it through someone's service they can't get at it one would I'm now suddenly doubting myself just from the way you're looking at me uh but one would have thought that's the entire definition of endtoend encryption except you know better I know I I want to tell you that you're absolutely and entirely 100% correct okay that's a dear diary moment but all right yes except that it comes down to the implementation of such a thing oh okay I mean if you get it wrong you get it wrong I can say that yes okay so if you leave a bit out in the middle if if there's a security flaw in the design of it then there can be an exploit to that flaw yes you know are you thinking about uh Bloomberg's latest um uh how can we say this thorough um investigation of security technology so there was a WhatsApp attack that was particularly nasty which said that if you got a phone call through WhatsApp and didn't even answer it that that could then start sucking down all of your data from your phone and this this does exist there is an exploit for it update your WhatsApp immediately or just don't use WhatsApp but it is a real thing and I I should be careful I I overstate it when I say I can get anything from your phone but that's not exactly the case but the point is is that there is a vulnerability now that doesn't mean we should stop using endend encryption we should totally use end encryption um yes the the uh thing is is that we should be encouraging more encryption because it makes our Communications more safe and that the only people that I know of that have really discouraged people from using endend encryption have been people who have ulterior motives like governments that want to make sure that they have access in the event that they would like to see what people are talking about yes and that's not good but that makes everyone less safe encryption is for the most part usually a good thing you know you wish that that all of the uh the the um I'm I'm blanking on the name all the bad people in the world well no but years ago there a couple years ago there was a hack where employee records were uh stolen from government and they weren't encrypted at all had they been encrypted then those government employees would have been saved the hassle of dealing with identity theft right yes good point yes right encryption is not just good for the consumer it's good for government it's good for lots of places I mean I see government and place as consumers just uh quite a lot of them yes yes it's good for contract yeah yeah now the Bloomberg story that that was talking about this hack says that truly secure communication is only really possible in the analog world and then old school spycraft applies which is nominally true except that you know no no one's really encoding on paper their address records I'm sorry but I think you're being very generous to Bloomberg there the entire reason for that spycraft reference is that they didn't have a way to illustrate their story other than a shot from um Tinker dramatizations yeah yes which is very good film very good book very good original BBC adaptation but shoved in there just for the purposes of illustration yeah this this was a puff piece that basically said we should not encrypt stuff and that's dumb yes yes because a criminal could break into your house you might as well just leave the door open for everybody oh you don't need doors William what what's what's this nonsense you're being antisocial by having doors people should be able to walk freely through your place I want to hear the Little House on the Prairie music playing at this moment if you could sort that out okay yes I don't think I have the license for that okay right so uh Bloomberg stood up a Daft article uh and things but uh they did actually correct it to be fair uh at some point they've updated it to wedge in a line about how encryption is necessary um we wouldn't know that but they in full disclosure they actually say at the bottom brackets updated to reflect what encryption actually does you know something you would have thought the article would have said first but there it is so yeah frustrating also dangerous I think I mean I'm we're amused by it because we know what it's about but if you don't know I was looking into it to see what people were thinking and there were lots of discussions on Twitter uh about um people who' never thought about it before uh wondering if this was correct so it had already put basically nonsense information into people's heads and those people were trying to find out but how many of us bother to find out everything I mean I certainly don't yeah difficult stuff very difficult stuff well William this brings us to the end of a fantastic episode I'm so glad to have you back thank you it's nice to be here doing this with you instead of in my own head and 800 odd documents don't go away again soon I will try not to thank you well I'm Victor you can find me at V marks on Twitter I want to recommend all of our listeners check out the podcast of a dear friend of mine Scout now Scout has the Scout Tech podcast it's on iTunes it's on anchor.fm scouttech and she interviews people and finds out all about their careers from the point of a 13-year-old it's really enlightening being able to listen to people in technology explain themselves to a person of that age you start to learn a little bit more about things she's interviewed particle physicists and this week she's interviewing Jason Leupold who files Freedom of Information Act requests with the government so it's pretty cool to hear about William where can people find you on the internet well clearly listening to this podcast sounds good I'll be listening to that uh but probably sitting beside uh w gallaga on Twitter or William appleinsider.com the email fantastic we'll be back next week everybody and when we do I want you to think about when's the last time you upgraded your home Wi-Fi turn your Wi-Fi up a notch with netgear's new line of Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 routers whether you're gaming online or watching Netflix in 4k it's like giving your streaming the VIP treatment you'll enjoy buffer-free streaming and zero lag no matter how many devices are connected to your network upgrade your router at netgear.com WiFi 6 make your Wi-Fi feel young again wouldn't we all like to feel young again I am so I'm fine perfect okay we'll be back next week everybodyyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome back to another episode of the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor and joining me is William what's his name okay good to be back thanks for that welcome um I could see you from here looking around to see where there any alternatives but seemingly there weren't so I'll take that hi how you have you been didn't look very long either it is good to have you back William thank you for letting me tease you about that now where what you were gone for like a long time yes and I can't properly tell you what it is because it's a sensitive you you were in communicado yes I spent uh all of last week in a history archive researching uh a particular book nothing to do with apple or techn ology uh but very intense so I just switched off everything and concentrated on the 1,700 documents I had to read and unfortunately I only managed to get through 800 in the week so I don't know what to do next okay right that's that puts you in a supreme deficit right I thought you might have some sort of speed reading tip there but uh yeah not so much okay I I am a fan of the concept of book scanning and being able to have these documents at your disposal rather than being locked in the musty Cellar of some moldy library and well I'm not but also I wasn't kidding about sensitive these documents are locked away for 50 years I have uh express permission to uh read them but no one else can so can't take them out can't split the load between people it's all very uh it's it's really interesting but uh right now it's just overwhelming as well yeah no I I uh I I like the idea of scanning for archival purposes you know the paper gets eaten by by animals bugs such it gets moldy it runs at risk of physical damage the idea of scanning And archiving sort of offloads that risk to the idea of of bit rot or digital rot or format rot but at least there's now something else that might survive a flood for example yes uh I can't tell you where the archive was because it would actually give away operational security in that firewall 12 km of uh shelving that's all temperature controlled and things that and actually they are working to put as much of it all online as they can but it's you know it's a 10 year 20 year product project with all the stuff they've got in there and go Google has done some very interesting work at UH at creating book scanners for this kind of purpose they're you know typically when you think of book scanner you think of a flatbed scanner where you open it up and and you know bend the spine and there have been ones that keep the the book open at 45° or 60° and then you can scan each page separately kind of thing Google invented one that lays the book down on top of a prism and then uses small amounts of vacuum to change Pages wow and that was really intriguing and they open sourced it they published the plans for this thing and I have thought one day if I have plenty of time which never happens that I would want to reproduce the thing I worked on a book of radio times covers radio times is UK cment of TV Guide it's particularly famous for its covers or it was and uh I I worked on a book on it in the end but many years ago we just wanted a few key ones displayed on the wall and the only copies we had were bound copies of the magazine so I was photographing them on a camera and then using Photoshop to un uh warp them and things and you know not brilliantly successful but enough that they were displayable in the office so yeah and and this prison Arrangement thing you know with its with its vacuum would have taken care of that and accommodated it for you yeah let me down though didn't they didn't invent it in time absolutely okay now how do we get onto that yes anyway so hi you know I I think that backup is a reasonable top we could do a whole show about backup the the importance of it and and what you ought to do you know I was reviewing a uh a network attached storage device by signology this week and they make time machine possible to do over the network so if you you used to have a time capsule product or you used to have a hard drive connected to your AirPort Extreme and you you no longer have that um you could connect a hard drive to a signology router like the the rt2600 AC that I reviewed a few months back or you could connect it your your network have storage device and do that and have your your time machine backups on the network that way and backup is just so critical you know they they also have cool things in the the product like the ability to make your own cloud and use your own cloud applications so you can see your files and access and view them from iOS apps or also from the mac and so take a look for that review time ago I was very tempted to uh go down the drobo route with their transporter thing but I believe they' stopped doing that for consumers but sonology is the same idea for everyone sonology has been doing it for a lot longer drobo was was attempting to do their own raray with with a Twist kind of thing and signology keeps that pretty standard they they don't fool around with what the drive balancing is like and stuff like that they just here is your network attach storage device you can arrange the volumes in a raid so for example I have uh let's see I have about 34 terabytes in in one of those units sitting on my network and it works great for multimedia so I can go ahead and have media stored on it and display that on Apple TV or my phone and and do it both inside or outside my home network um I have documents and mail and chat and all those kinds of operations on there and can use it as my own personal Dropbox or Google Drive kind of thing it's pretty cool that way I am struggling with a a Mac Mini that I love but has uh the smallest uh SSD you can get a couldn't afford a bigger one and I also knew that I had tons of external hard drives uh but I am struggling to manage it all and find some sort of system for how to get stuff off when I'm done with it so get it back quickly I I would suggest uh a network cash storage device like this for you and I would suggest using your just just as Apple encourages people to use documents and desktop as iCloud yeah I would encourage you to go ahead and create folders from the network and mount them as as volumes on your Mac and set them up to autom mount and just use those as your storage okay that makes sense you know your Mac Mini isn't like a portable laptop right your Mac Mini doesn't travel very far so you could use for things that don't have to be quick from the SSD but could take you know a split second to load from the network do that that makes sense though actually I have traveled with this Mac it is so ludicrously small it's very handy well but the other beauty of the the network tax storage is that because on the network if you go ahead and um create what they call a quick connect which is essentially Dynamic DNS then you can access all of your files that are home while you're traveling I think I do that through iCloud drive you know if if you were for example paranoid about Dropbox or paranoid about Google drive or or not all in on iCloud then this would be a way of of you know planting your flag in the ground and saying I'm going to do it on myself my own going to do it for myself and not be beholden to any other company except sonology well but you know they aren't charging a subscription for storage they're they're simply selling a product okay happens to be hard I'm starting to think it's I've got this funny feeling that if B all of this stuff I could have spent that money on a bigger mini but you know we are where we are yes yeah and and of course there are some other things that you can do around this kind of idea that I'll talk to you offline about cool CU I don't want to borrow um oh okay my problems are well I'll tell you what what I really fancy is one of these giant uh ultrawide curved monitors I'd really like one of those uh so any advice on that that would be very nice including how to pay for it that would be uh well can't tell you about how to pay for it exactly but in the United States at this moment there seems to be a TV refresh going around around in stores and so as I walk into stores I'm seeing sets from from six months ago sets from last year on clearance and among those is a 65in curved display I read a piece once for Apple Insider about the the actual differences between TVs uh and monitors um I can't remember I came away thinking monitors would a better value but that makes a difference well it it depends a little bit I mean there are things like color reproduction and color accuracy there's refresh there's contrast and so forth and also you you don't want too large a monitor because in a monitor context you're sitting right in front of it whereas a TV you're 6 to 10 ft away um that's it I was forgetting that yes and you know having something that's that's meant for a six foot viewing distance right in front of your eyes is overwhelming and bad but the um there also the resolution right now now the resolution question is kind of irrelevant because there are 4K displays that are common TVs but it's it's still it's just picking the right tool for the job I think yes um I moved from a sorry this is really terribly DET I moved from a 2012 iMac to a 2018 Mac Mini and I bought just a basic what HD monitor I can't remember what it is but I I miss the larger screen of even the 2012 uh I'm ma the resolution was nicer and size so I just want to be happy with a new monitor and I want you to be happy thank you but now I have to going help me with the money so okay but right so uh what's is this are we talking like this because nothing's going on in the world with apple no plenty of things going on so first of all but it's not with apple uh Huawei maker of fine cell phones and network equipment everywhere I'm not proud of this but I'm very glad that you said the name first because I genuinely struggle was one of those words I have trouble spelling but also uh saying as well so them lot there they're having some problems out there say WWE WWE okay there you go yeah um so right remember I'm in the UK where basically we just let them do what they like so you know for years and years there there have been Rumblings coming from Washington DC about Huawei and about ZTE or ZTE and and basically being casting aspersions that these are products that are are made by Huawei Huawei being a Chinese company the Chinese government having their hands in Chinese companies and therefore that these products were susceptible to surveilling American Communications right uh any chance we know if that's true not exactly okay um you know it's it's not that there's any hard proof in that although uh Dutch newspaper deul Grant cited intelligence sources as saying that huah had created a back door on the network of an unnamed telecoms firm and that their intelligence agency aivd was investigating whether the vulnerability had enabled spying by the Chinese government you see all these important things going on in my mind goes straight to I couldn't pronounce the Dutch newspaper's name either I am the most IG man in the planet okay well so F first of all people who are in the know will remember that the US's NSA National Security Agency had intercepted packages destined for for recipients of telecoms gear made by Cisco and had modified it to surveil them so now I didn't know that uh sorry is that quite a recent no no it's several years old now okay so that sounds quite um ominous really but it was all sorted out uh I think it still goes on okay um are we all thinking of the Bloomberg um accusation from what last October this is not like the Bloomberg accusation in well I mean the Huawei accusation kind of is but for the NSA accusation there there was evidence for that and it was not planting chips on the board as Bloomberg was accusing super micro of doing or or being victim of it was uh firmware modifications to Cisco networking gear that have been sent out all right which even I think is possible compared to uh soling an extra right processor onto the BL I mean it's a network product it's connected to the network routing more traffic to another destination is is not outside the realm of possibility here and that's really the concern around Huawei is that huawei's products are used in Telecom uh to to Route data to be the 5G equipment in the back room kind of thing and so first what's happened is that uh government agencies in the United States have been barred from buying huawe and ZT products that happened in 2018 uh in January the US unsealed a 13-count indictment against Huawei accusing it and Chief Financial Officer M wanju of defrauding Financial firms by lying about its relationship with an alleged front business operating in Iran and mang was arrested in Canada a month earlier on a US warrant she's still fighting extradition she does not want to be extradited to the US and and that comes down to the notion that we have sanctions in the United States against doing business with with Iran because we don't want to um you know if Iran is the state the repressive state that the US says it is then the US doesn't want to make it comfortable for that country they want to use sanctions as a way of trying discouraging that that bad behavior she's still uh in Canada Canada um where are we five months on yep wow there are worse places to be I mean Canada's lovely yes but one imagines I mean she's a CFO you think she has quite a lot to do is she able to do it from there I mean I would I'm not assing innocence until proven guilt I'm I'm not sure you know it we're we're saying that she's still the CFO although if we're mistaken it's possible I mean um at some point it could be like Carlos Goen in Japan where he's he's been accused and imprisoned a few different times as the Japanese try and prove their case against him to the point where he was no longer able to fulfill his responsibilities as CEO of Renault and uh of Nissan so she's probably not really having a holiday in Canada let's put it like that probably not if you're busy fighting extradition it's not much of a holiday no no no and you can't even go to Disneyland which I understand is it's very nice and also not in Canada a little far away well you know her choice she could come to the States but okay and also not get into Disneyland Yeah Yeah well yeah but from closer okay right so that's that's kind of the problem with Huawei and it's it's a problem for us all why can you guess uh because uh ifaw has all of these difficulties it could actually cease to be and uh we wouldn't get phones that I understand have very nice cameras well it's not only about the phones it's the problem with the networking gear is that if you want 5G Cellular Communications you have to have a phone that has a 5G chip in it right yes and actually I could I can break some news here 5G is coming to my area of the UK around June July time yeah um I'm hoping my iPhone will work with it okay your iPhone will not work with it immediately and we'll talk about that in a moment but but here's the problem is that you have to have the 5G part in the phone but you also have to have the 5G part at the towers at the offices for the the cellular communication companies yeah I can't afford a tower what are they asking me to do and so okay yes so if you don't have both parts of those things in place then you can't offer that service and Huawei is is basically poised to become a major player in 5G infrastructure or at least they were until this intervention so okay I'm wondering I seriously wondering how that will affect its work in the UK because one imagines the UK where it's poised to do the same thing is such a smaller Market compared to the states that it's probably not uh economically viable compared to well doing the US and the other question is is the UK because the UK and and the United States are a close Partners in many things is the UK going to follow along with this ban well so far we've been making more fuss uh about uh leaks about the discussions than about the discussions themselves so I would bet probably not although hang on we do have brexit don't we that's a good point um yeah I wouldn't bet on haway Surviving well uh here either I mean vone is is going to switch on 5G on July 3D and ah right that's the one I'd heard about yes and so well I couldn't be sure if you talking about vone or you're talking about e or something else but um no I didn't know the date but it was verone and I I've heard rumors that EA is following soon but uh I I'm on a so I hope that's true all right well vone is going to be using the Huawei 5G technology oh yeah maybe everybody should just wait for Apple to bring out 5G modems well but Apple isn't going to be doing the backend stuff Apple's not going to be making the equipment for the network closets so apple is doomed then you know yet again who who else can you imagine might offer 5G equipment I genely haven't the faintest idea uh I couldn't even tell you the players in the market I mean I only knew about hway CU I've read there's a simple company small outfit you may have heard of called Qualcomm oh right yes yes yeah so so Qualcomm doesn't typically make this kind of backend product but they make parts that could enable it so you might get a Cisco product for example that works with the the Qualcomm part now I I have no insight into production of such a thing but obviously if Huawei is not going to be available for purchase especially for government contracts that um that that's going to mean there's an opening there in the market maybe Intel will run to uh fill it cuz they're not doing anything else well and Intel as as you remember um just got a tongue lashing from Apple so we we know that the Intel part has never performed as well as the Qualcomm part as a modem in the phones and in 2017 uh Hardware Technologies VP Johnny suuji is is said to have barked at Intel's venata renala during a meeting at infinite Loop according to a source for the information now suuji was frustrated with Intel's work on the xmm 7560 which was intended for the 2018 iPhones the modem wasn't functioning properly two sources said and even though Intel had already overhauled it four times to pry and put it on par with the Qualcomm chips and they missed multiple deadlines along the way it it still wasn't working right and suuji said has reported to have said this would never have happened at Apple under my watch and apple is believed to be creating their own 5G modem under suuji senior staff for telling Engineers the Chip's going to be coming in 2025 now 2025 you go oh my God that's a long way away oh yeah are you watching years and years Russell T Davis's new thing that's already moved on to 2024 it's closer than you think well it's closer than you think and also the thing to remember is it takes about 2 years to to do an iPhone start start shipping and so what that says is that they're going to be using qualcomm's 5G chips across the board for the 2020 iPhones and they'll they'll get one more generation out them for 2022 and then by 2024 2025 they'll be ready to use their own they'll probably be developing and testing this all the way long because they're they're working on it now so so they'll produce them they'll test them they'll have them going on and then switch over to them for the phone for that after they've proven that they're really ready to go I know this is inevitable but every time Apple comes out with a new iPhone there's a little bit of me that thinks they're standing there saying this is the greatest thing ever but they know what the next one's going to be and presumably it's going to be better every time isn't Johnny I have recently said something like he's Forever Living two years in the future something like that but the thing is that the two years in the future stuff isn't in mass production is is frequently not even ready for beta testing and so the most he could actually live is like you know a year in the future to six months in the future if he were talking about a device that was in testing that was something he take out into the world and use and remember take out into the world is also skeptical because now you have to hide it and prevent that it's not in the you know the form factor that it is and all that stuff so it's but Apple Park is so big you just go out for a stroll you'd be fine it's true fair enough but the um so 5G really that's what's uh we're just waiting on 5G is what we're doing well we're going to get all kinds of other cool stuff along the way to 5G uh such as I I know right now isn't there a thing in the States where there's I'm sorry I think it's AT&T but I can't remember that sewing 5G when really it's four and a bit G or something yeah AT&T were doing that Sprint sued them um there's there's a whole cruffle about that right now and Verizon has said that they're launching 5G although their 5G is sort of a draft 5G it's not real 5G but it's not 4 and a half G like AT&T's uh but okay Verizon's let everyone know that when they're really doing 5G that they're going to charge you a premium for it that that you can get your 4gte as you always have been but if you want the good stuff you're going to have to pay more as opposed to your Voda phone over on your side of things where they're totally content to say hey 5G come at it no additional price premium yes well I imagine vone is counting on the fact that when you can do more with your phone you will do more and so that therefore you know they'll get you own caps and rates and things like that uh but still I was surprised I I took it for granted I unthinkingly assumed I'd have to pay more for 5G so uh good on vone I mean the rule is that whatever AT&T wants to do is going to be customer abusive you guess that right away because AT&T has never been been very good at this stuff right they've always tried to find ways to make you use less or tried to change the definition of their terms of their contract so they don't have to provide the service that you actually were getting right are they the lot that change the word unlimited to mean very limited that is them yes but this is Marbel isn't it I can't remember my American Telephone history but um right so American Telephone and Telegraph we trusted American Telephone and Telegraph or Mell uh was the one monolithic company until about 1984 when they were broken up and they split off into the baby bells and there was Southwestern Bell and Pacific Bell and the Mid-Atlantic Bell and uh and and Bell South and so on and and along the way some of those renamed themselves Bell South became singular uh pack Bell or Pacific Bell um changed names a couple times uh to the ones I can't remember um Southern Pacific Bell became uh or Southwestern Bell became Sprint along the way um singular actually bought uh AT&T and and so they remerged and they're re sort of re re uh conglomerating themselves singular bought AT&T and then renamed themselves AT&T and in all of that as soon as we said Mar Bell bony m music has been running through my head that's Verizon Verizon was Mid-Atlantic bell all right well there you go you didn't say that God did they make all those great Mid-Atlantic dramas no kidding yep yeah yeah so we are on the road to 5G and it's going to take a while but the people shrug and say you know what what do I care if I have faster Network speeds what what do I care if my phone gets any faster right what do I care if my phone's data gets any any faster well so 5G does a couple different things besides providing super fast speeds you know it's it's basically said that you can get gigabit Fiber speeds or gigabit internet speeds over cellular using 5G presuming that everything else is correct now the problem is that your distance to the tower has to be shorter for that to work so you're going to have to be closer to towers for that to happen but if you can get 5G over Cellular in the home then it means yeah that you can give up your DSL you can give up your cable modem you can give up your your fiber modem although that would be the one that I would probably hesitate to give up um but getting a gigabit over cellular and all you have to do is is rent a cellular to Wi-Fi router from the cellular service and you have faster in it than you could get from cable is in an Ideal World a really good thing um and it has some weird business KnockOn effects for example if you're getting your internet from your cable company and you give up on that and you get it from your cellular company and then you give up on your cable channels and you get your cable channels over streaming then the cable companies go away great for all those years the cable companies disrupted network television and now the same thing has happened to them yeah well everything comes back it it does but one of the things that happens is you get companies like AT&T where they were Distributing their TV Services over fiber or DSL and Direct TV over satellite and now they're making the bundle for Direct TV go so that you can continue to get those kinds of channels through your Apple TV and Roku we all have that friend who's the first one to try things whether they're super trendy or more of a guinea pig when you're making a choice it's always nice to hear it from someone who's been there done that choosing the right software for your business is no different read thousands of real software reviews to help 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about net neutrality so the other part about net neutrality was that it was the idea that these preferential Partnerships or zero rating as it's called would not take place because that's another another way of of preferring one is the punitive we're going to charge the startup guy more for trying to compete with Netflix that's got a prior arrangement zero rating is the concept that uh says by subscribing to T-Mobile you get all of these streaming services for free which which puts all of the other streaming services at a disadvantage and that's what we're getting a lot of right now didn't care that much about streaming services I have Netflix and I use it enough that I would miss it if it went away but not much do you pay for Apple music uh yes I do I like that television though I look at Apple TV channels and so far so me out to but if you are on Verizon as a a carrier and you have one of two of their different plans they have the new unlimited plan and some other named plan that I can't recall and if you're on either one of those plans you get apple music for free forever yeah okay I've seen offers of so many months yeah I'm I'm on a different plan and so I have a six month for free offer um but if you're on one of those two plans then you have apple music free forever because they've zero rated it in partnership with apple okay well I hope you artist are still getting their cash oh absolutely they do they they get their royalties but uh essentially Verizon is paying for this as a way of of course keeping the consumer on board and also preventing any other music streaming service from catching on membership that way that's why Apple does it fair enough enough but 5G in the home yeah photoone I I'm sorry I can't remember if this is actually an announcement now we just uh expected but they were talking about having some sort of basically a 5G router for houses I imagine then is that just uh replacing my regular router so it's only 5G from the router to wherever I am or is it in some way plugging into the 5G Tower Network so if you have 5G service in your area and you get a 5G router for the home then what happens is you're getting that 1 gigabit link ideally to the home over cellular over 5G and then having that redistributed through Wi-Fi to your home devices and in that way they cut out you know virgin they cut out DSL they cut out whatever internet Ser you know BP you know uh who whoever BT rather whoever else is providing your internet and get you locked into vone and you don't have to worry about wired infrastructure being back hauled by some Street construction crew you don't have to worry about cables breaking or service outages in that way okay that sounds good then let's do that well you know it it would be considerably faster than than some of the services that I've had for internet when I was living in the UK and I I uh can see the value there the the caveats are all around the ideal situations right if you're too far from the Tower or if there's interference or if you're in a hole in a valley and don't get good reception and things like that so the window is in the East all that sort of stuff yes all the same problems you have with cellular okay I remember when 4G came uh to my City Birmingham it was incredibly patchy one end of a street right in the dead center of the city would have it and the next would not uh but yeah presumably these things get fixed over time yeah tower upgrades and so forth yeah yeah but it it makes it interesting because it puts the cable companies out like you said it puts the traditional internet distri companies out like like we're talking about and it really shifts the landscape in a in a sort of big way it it makes the cell phone carriers who' have never really been TV providers or music providers into those and we also have people like apple who have not been TV providers actually making the content so suddenly television is in the hands of people who don't know what they're doing well and and that was the thing was you know should Verizon buy a Netflix right should because they've got to compete with AT&T's Direct TV offering right you think somebody would buy Netflix there so many stories about everybody from Apple up should be buying FP around should Netflix buy Verizon and I I throw that without thinking about the numbers involved and doesn't even make sense you know the size disparity of the companies but but all of this stuff becomes more fluid right you do have to admire Verizon um excuse me um Netflix because they were in such bad States they were on the verge of closing the doors and they turned it around by making good programs I mean I'm a d a drama fan I think that's a a wonderful story defit Sal lesson all right so let's talk about vulnerabilities mine or yours well yours okay all right well I know all about mine so okay far away which one do you want to talk about now late at night when you're lonely what do you no uh actually I was going to talk about Apple's vulnerabilities okay apples vulnerabilities and this is this just like we were talking a few minutes ago about Intel not being able to do things properly for their 5G modem let's talk about Intel and CPUs yes oh I know where this is going yes indeed take it away tell tell me where this is going previously on Intel I'd have to look up the actual term that Intel uses for it but uh and I was going to call it I going to get the name wrong again it's zombie load I keep thinking Zombie Land I don't know why I near wrote that earlier zombie load this uh particular vulnerability that's existed in Intel processes so zombie L zombie load you got me doing it now is speculative execution vulnerabilities and I'll explain what those are in a moment and Zombie Land is Jesse Eisenberg and Woody harelson and uh Emily Emily Blunt and someone Breslin I'm so close on that I can't remember um but that was actually a fun movie guess guessing it had zombies in it though so I don't know how the name entered my head no not Emily Blunt Emma Stone Emma Stone so Woody harlson Jesse Eisenberg Emma stonein and it's a post-apocalyptic comedy zombie film another one of those grief okay Ro no no but it was really fun you I I can recommend you to watch that one I think you'll enjoy it you can recommend it and I'll thank you for that but uh it's okay so how is Apple upset by a zombie film so the the exploiter what what's the speculative execution vulnerability seriously you're asking me I did understand it when I wrote AEF story ex I I read 40 pages of Intel documentation about this and I am proud of the fact that I held it in my head for long enough to find something useful to write about it but it's not sticking in there now whereas I think you eat this stuff for breakfast so go on you tell me what is the speculative thing right so when when you have a processor and you can you can feed it chunks of information chunks of tasks to do things to calculate and it will go ahead and sort out how it can execute those to do them as quickly as possible and yes you know there we could discuss the old old uh John Rubenstein videos from the G4 and g5s where he was showing how different parts get executed by different parts of the processor or we could look back to the uh the the iPhone announcements where they've shown us that we have four cores two that are T and two that are slow and we use those to process things differently kind of thing but speculative execution is where we say we can predict that there are going to be things that follow these processes that we're being asked to calculate and so we can take the left branch and the right Branch or the the up branch and the down Branch or however you want to call them and and Cal start calculating down both of those paths speculatively and when the user or the program or whatever it is chooses one of those branches then we can just discard or ignore or forget about the alternate future that we were predicting and we'll just speculatively execute both paths so that it will be faster because we've already done all the work when the program gets there to ask for it okay that seems very nice and very straightforward yes let's do that then okay what could possibly go wrong yes exactly um so there's a vulnerability in the speculative execution that allows the the processor to leak data basically I don't really understand how it would do that but uh I can see could you okay does one know uh what data can be made to leak or is it just well I mean Open Hands I haven't really seen a good for this so I'm I'm not positive I mean it's it's not like it's there's something out there in the wild this is something that we need to do to prevent against it getting out there in the wild right right okay now right well that's here here's the problem is that if you eliminate speculative execution you could reduce system performance by as much as 40% oh yes um yeah you would be giving up uh this multi-threading thing and and ruining your life really uh but you'd be safe because of it now yeah I think you can tell I'm not that concerned about the 40% because I'm not going to do it um am I right to just be not all that fuss or is this end of the world type stuff well so it it depends on how you mitigate for this right if you disabled hyperthreading then then yeah that would reduce performance by as much as 40% but you know this this kind of reduction only applies if you do the full mitigation in the Mojave update and install security update 20193 for higher and S and enabled those and so you know everyone's going to be upset about reducing performance I paid for this machine and it's not as fast as what I paid for makes good sense except it's only an issue if the person managing the Mac really goes full bore on the mitigation and if if your max being used for secretive tasks if if the user if you are a potential subject for hacking attempts by a sophisticated bad actor um then yeah turn on that fullbore mitigation and go ahead disable hyperthreading and you know try and secure yourself if you are not that person if your risk model says that you're not being attacked by uh by by States or other Bad actors with lots and lots of money and power behind them then maybe you don't need to go with that full mitigation and and this is not just something that affects Max this is something that affects anything with an Intel processor and if you disable hyperthreading in Windows you will see the same performance loss yeah but it's Windows would I notice a performance loss that sorry you yeah all right um amazingly Apple's talking about moving allegedly talking about moving away from Intel I just I can't imagine why okay um whistling in the dark the serious thing is very few people are going to be troubled by this no no no I I don't want to say very few people and I don't want to say a lot of people what I want to say is that there there is a vulnerability and that I would rather that we were informed about it as opposed to being not informed about it especially since there are actions you can take so what you have to decide is what is your risk what's your risk model and act accordingly based on that right I'm working it out okay you you I I know I know listen to me being the boring old voice of reason but you know you you have to decide and this is this is true for anything when you take on any kind of technology or when you decide to make any piece of information public or private what's your risk model who do you want to have access to this thing and what are you doing to prevent it yeah but never had this trouble when you buying a kettle you know you just it did what it did and now you say that but I want to point out this morning I was filling up petrol at the at the petrol station I was getting gas from my car and I went inside to pay because I would prefer to go inside and pay and use the payment terminals at the counter in front of the employee than the terminals built into the gas pump is this because you long for human contact yes I'm desperate for it that's why I talk with you actually but the I wondered I'm not knocking that by the way that's I'm just well but there are a number of cases where gas pump terminals have been hacked and hacked with Bluetooth so it's possible for the thief who wants to steal your credit card details to do so via Bluetooth from the pump okay genuinely hadn't heard that before oh yeah now totally documented excellent and really really good yeah and you know I I went in and talked with the employee inside and she's like yeah you know I I understand it if one of those feels suspicious come in here instead and let us know and um so I do that and when I was talking to this morning she said that the the person in front of me was out there trying to use the the terminal the pump and came in because he was couldn't make it work and she she told me I have to reboot those things twice a day I have to reboot the gas pumps twice a day she said just like your computer and I said well when everything's a computer when you put a computer in everything you're going to have to do something like that maybe suddenly I'm hoping those gas pumps are homekit enabled you could just press a button in her phone all right that's the way we should go I think they're I I think that they are wired into the building as opposed to being Wireless okay fair enough and as we know a wire connection is more secure than a wireless connection so there you have it but uh I I think my advice goes like this I would tell our listeners that the Mojave patch feel free to go ahead and install it you should totally install the patch um decide for yourself whether or not you want to use the ability to turn off hyperthreading in Mojave or not I would also tell you that be mindful about where you get your software from be mindful about your network connections right that's a good point I mean I'm not very keen on the Mac App Store because most things I want aren't in there but it is a good source for this and at least you can trust that what imagined it even if the app isn't distrib uted in the Mac App Store if it's signed so that it takes part of gatekeeper and sandboxing then it's safe to use if if it says this is not safe to use and we're not going to do it um you know the path around that has been to go to security and system preferences and click open anyway and instead of doing that without thinking consider who's the developer and why haven't they gone to the trouble of signing their application sure it's hard to imag IM in uh a serious developer not doing it but I mean I'd be happy uh the Omni group for example uh I trust them with my credit card details and probably have done many many times over but it's when you go to those obscure download sites uh that colate things from all sorts of places and you're never quite sure where you know when you're trying to get little utilities to do something and the the developer of the utility doesn't appear to have their own website I get wary around then well mixed right if you're going to GitHub or something like that and getting it directly from the developer from his code site true that's a good point yes yeah you upgrade your smartphone your TV and your laptop but when's the last time you upgraded your home Wi-Fi the future of Wi-Fi is here and it's time to welcome WiFi 6 the Netgear Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 router gives you Ultra fast speeds and wider coverage throughout your home and it's the biggest revolution in Wi-Fi ever you get four times the capacity compared to today's Wi-Fi which which means you can connect more devices stream simultaneously without impacting Wi-Fi speeds and reliability the devices of today and tomorrow demand more your old Wi-Fi is timing out and you need the latest and high performance Wi-Fi that can keep up with you and your entire family if you stream your shows on services like Netflix or Hulu the newest line of high 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pull it through you tape it to the old cable that's sticking out and you pull it through so you don't have to pull up flooring at all but it's broken broken in the middle somewhere I mean I think literally broken so uh pulling it through not not so much and has on two levels it's uh it's a job I'm not saying it's a bad job but it's uh there's there's a thing called a fishing tape which you can use to fish through the hole to get it to come up the other side and use that okay I just picturing me doing that strongly recommended now we should talk briefly about skateboards of course we should because I know that 5G skate skateboarder I liked them back to the future that was a hoverboard oh even before then in the first oh yeah no that was a scooter with the scooter part knocked off every now and again when you know you you're you're running somewhere the idea of just holding on to the back of a car and being given a tug that seems uh um illegal but good yes bad bad idea skateboards but I feel they're Laing right well let's not get into that issue but uh skateboards in general have always seemed to me to be lacking something and I think you're going to tell me that it's 5G Bluetooth um something else what's what's the skateboards of today give me that I need well so they tend to be connected to iPhones now and people like uh boosted boards and and evolve um so evolve open up pre-orders for their new GTR boards on Wednesday and they are the first of them to offer an iPhone app right so you can phone your skateboard while you're on it uh save yourself I mean I'm getting old my knees are hurting uh even though I can bend down that far no okay don't tell me so here's here's what happens is that when you have a connected skateboard like this what you usually do is you have a dedicated controller that pairs with it for Bluetooth that ows you to control the board for acceleration and breaking and so forth and you don't just put your foot out uh well for either if you're moving 12 miles an hour you do not just put your foot out 12 miles an hour on a skateboard okay yeah and that's things have moved on yeah and so it's also possible to use in some cases not necessarily evolves but in some cases the iPhone app as a way of rolling acceleration and not but the other things you want to use it for are battery status uh geolocation uh range monitoring so you don't get stuck with a a heavy skateboard out of battery oh sorry actually I was being thick there I wasn't thinking of motorized skateboards therefore I wasn't thinking your batteries right these are Vehicles really on the road okay explains the 12 mph bit as well okay one of the things that makes it interesting besides the iPhone app of course is that they're using a bendable battery pack bendable well when you get up on down on a skateboard and you're bouncing on it the the deck flexes a little bit and so they've accommodated for that okay they don't just put the battery at this uh know on the axle or something that doesn't Bend in the middle well you you need a large battery and so it has to be the length of the deck wow okay right bendable that's interesting yeah it really is I mean this is this is an interesting board and it's got really big wheels it looks like an off-roading board so I am intrigued an off-roading board yeah just okay and they they like some of the other skateboard manufacturers so there's there are two ways of doing this right one way is to put the motor on the deck and then use a belt to drive the wheels and what evolve are doing is they've gone ahead and put the wheel the motors in the wheel hubs which is a good idea because you got direct drive is that one motor per wheel then it is okay although you generally don't get four Motors you get you get Motors on just one end of the board right but so two opposite each other right I was just thinking how that would work with my limited mechanical knowledge but uh apart from you'd want them to be in sync really uh I can't see a problem with that okay that sounds good yeah now the these boards aren't exactly affordable they they do cost um this particular board we're talking about seems to start at about $1,899 sorry we I was so certain at the start that a skateboard I mean I like the idea of them for 10 minutes but you'll never convince me and slowly you've got me more interested and now dash it all ,800 so the more than the money I spend on my Mac Mini I could buy a skateboard here's the thing right we talk a lot about the future and the future being electric vehicles or future being self-driving vehicles or so forth but the truth is that if you don't need to carry anything with you and you don't need to have passengers necessarily then maybe something like a skateboard or a bicycle an electric bicycle is more appropriate okay I always have to carry things but yes right but I mean if we're talking about decongesting traffic if we're talking about um reducing the number of of highspeed accidents if we're talking about just getting around within a town or a city there are alternatives to the traditional gas powered car and uh you know things like this could be one of those that makes sense or we could all just work at home and all lose all human contact we can't all be William no there in fenis think everybody should have a turnone I think it's actually a stoning joke from Aaron sain but there we go yes okay all right I want I have one last item I want to talk about with you and and then we'll go ahead and wrap things up okay um why am I wary about this this feels ominous it's not got one more thing to say to you I I have one thing left to say to you bucko so end to end encryption yes good thing bad thing I think un questionably a good thing what it me what's it mean um from the start of the bit where you type to the end of the bit where you get information from it's all encrypted and safe and nobody can get in the way not even anyone in the middle well one would hope not I mean if you're transfer if if you're typing and it's encrypted and you're sending it through someone's service they can't get at it one would I'm now suddenly doubting myself just from the way you're looking at me uh but one would have thought that's the entire definition of endtoend encryption except you know better I know I I want to tell you that you're absolutely and entirely 100% correct okay that's a dear diary moment but all right yes except that it comes down to the implementation of such a thing oh okay I mean if you get it wrong you get it wrong I can say that yes okay so if you leave a bit out in the middle if if there's a security flaw in the design of it then there can be an exploit to that flaw yes you know are you thinking about uh Bloomberg's latest um uh how can we say this thorough um investigation of security technology so there was a WhatsApp attack that was particularly nasty which said that if you got a phone call through WhatsApp and didn't even answer it that that could then start sucking down all of your data from your phone and this this does exist there is an exploit for it update your WhatsApp immediately or just don't use WhatsApp but it is a real thing and I I should be careful I I overstate it when I say I can get anything from your phone but that's not exactly the case but the point is is that there is a vulnerability now that doesn't mean we should stop using endend encryption we should totally use end encryption um yes the the uh thing is is that we should be encouraging more encryption because it makes our Communications more safe and that the only people that I know of that have really discouraged people from using endend encryption have been people who have ulterior motives like governments that want to make sure that they have access in the event that they would like to see what people are talking about yes and that's not good but that makes everyone less safe encryption is for the most part usually a good thing you know you wish that that all of the uh the the um I'm I'm blanking on the name all the bad people in the world well no but years ago there a couple years ago there was a hack where employee records were uh stolen from government and they weren't encrypted at all had they been encrypted then those government employees would have been saved the hassle of dealing with identity theft right yes good point yes right encryption is not just good for the consumer it's good for government it's good for lots of places I mean I see government and place as consumers just uh quite a lot of them yes yes it's good for contract yeah yeah now the Bloomberg story that that was talking about this hack says that truly secure communication is only really possible in the analog world and then old school spycraft applies which is nominally true except that you know no no one's really encoding on paper their address records I'm sorry but I think you're being very generous to Bloomberg there the entire reason for that spycraft reference is that they didn't have a way to illustrate their story other than a shot from um Tinker dramatizations yeah yes which is very good film very good book very good original BBC adaptation but shoved in there just for the purposes of illustration yeah this this was a puff piece that basically said we should not encrypt stuff and that's dumb yes yes because a criminal could break into your house you might as well just leave the door open for everybody oh you don't need doors William what what's what's this nonsense you're being antisocial by having doors people should be able to walk freely through your place I want to hear the Little House on the Prairie music playing at this moment if you could sort that out okay yes I don't think I have the license for that okay right so uh Bloomberg stood up a Daft article uh and things but uh they did actually correct it to be fair uh at some point they've updated it to wedge in a line about how encryption is necessary um we wouldn't know that but they in full disclosure they actually say at the bottom brackets updated to reflect what encryption actually does you know something you would have thought the article would have said first but there it is so yeah frustrating also dangerous I think I mean I'm we're amused by it because we know what it's about but if you don't know I was looking into it to see what people were thinking and there were lots of discussions on Twitter uh about um people who' never thought about it before uh wondering if this was correct so it had already put basically nonsense information into people's heads and those people were trying to find out but how many of us bother to find out everything I mean I certainly don't yeah difficult stuff very difficult stuff well William this brings us to the end of a fantastic episode I'm so glad to have you back thank you it's nice to be here doing this with you instead of in my own head and 800 odd documents don't go away again soon I will try not to thank you well I'm Victor you can find me at V marks on Twitter I want to recommend all of our listeners check out the podcast of a dear friend of mine Scout now Scout has the Scout Tech podcast it's on iTunes it's on anchor.fm scouttech and she interviews people and finds out all about their careers from the point of a 13-year-old it's really enlightening being able to listen to people in technology explain themselves to a person of that age you start to learn a little bit more about things she's interviewed particle physicists and this week she's interviewing Jason Leupold who files Freedom of Information Act requests with the government so it's pretty cool to hear about William where can people find you on the internet well clearly listening to this podcast sounds good I'll be listening to that uh but probably sitting beside uh w gallaga on Twitter or William appleinsider.com the email fantastic we'll be back next week everybody and when we do I want you to think about when's 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