The Value of Upgrading to AMD Ryzen 7000 and 6000 Series CPUs

As we dive into the world of CPU upgrades, it's essential to consider the value proposition of each new generation. In this video, we'll be discussing the latest offerings from AMD, specifically the Ryzen 7000 and 6000 series processors.

One of the primary concerns for those considering a upgrade is the availability and pricing of these chips. Fortunately, the 10,700K is readily available at around $375, offering an eight-core, 16-thread overclockable chip with an IGP. However, this might be just the beginning, as we've heard rumors of a non-X Sku (5700 SKU) that could potentially offer better value. Unfortunately, there's no word on whether this variant will ever see the light of day.

Despite the uncertainty surrounding the 6000 series, it's clear that AMD has made significant strides in IPC (instructions per clock). The real value lies in the Ryzen 7000 series, particularly the 10,000-series processors. These chips offer substantial performance gains over their predecessors, making them an attractive option for those seeking a significant upgrade.

For those still on Zen or Zen+ CPUs, a move to a Ryzen 7000 processor could be a worthwhile investment. However, it's essential to consider the cost-benefit analysis, especially when compared to Intel processors. In many cases, the performance difference between AMD and Intel might not be substantial enough to justify the premium.

One key factor to keep in mind is that Zen 2 was already an excellent performer, offering around a five percent increase in gaming performance compared to its predecessors. As such, the incremental gains from upgrading to Ryzen 7000 series CPUs might not be as noticeable for those on the higher-end models.

If you're currently on a B350 or X370 motherboard, it's essential to note that these chips won't receive official support. However, some enthusiasts have reported finding workarounds using BIOS updates. For those already on B450 or X470 motherboards with Ryzen 2600 or 1600 processors, the situation is more promising.

In this scenario, a move to a Ryzen 7000 series processor could be an excellent opportunity for a performance boost. The Ryzen 5, 7, and 9 series offer significant gains over their predecessors, making them ideal for workloads that require substantial processing power.

The sweet spot for these processors seems to be around $400-$500, where you'll find optimal balance between performance and affordability. This sweet spot also applies to the Ryzen 7000 series, with the exception of the 10,000-series processor, which will likely fall slightly below this price point.

As we move forward in the world of CPU upgrades, it's essential to keep an eye on upcoming releases and developments. In particular, we're looking forward to the overclocking video that will compare the performance of AMD Ryzen 7000 series processors with their Intel counterparts. This comparison will provide valuable insights into the IPC (instructions per clock) improvements offered by Zen 3.

In terms of specific chip models, the 5900X is expected to be a strong overclocker, with reported boosts in frequency ranging from around 4.5-4.8 GHz under stress. However, it's essential to note that this might not translate to an equivalent performance advantage compared to its predecessor.

The Ryzen 3600X, on the other hand, is expected to arrive soon and will be a fascinating model to test out in our upcoming content. With rumors surrounding its release, we'll provide you with inside information as soon as it becomes available.

Ultimately, upgrading your CPU can have significant implications for your overall system performance and power consumption. By considering these factors and weighing the pros and cons of each chip, you can make an informed decision about which upgrade is right for your needs.

Whether you're a seasoned enthusiast or just starting to explore the world of PC upgrades, it's essential to stay up-to-date with the latest developments in CPU technology. With the Ryzen 7000 series offering substantial performance gains over their predecessors, it's an exciting time to be involved in the gaming and content creation communities.

In our upcoming videos, we'll delve deeper into the specifics of each chip model, exploring their overclocking potential and comparing them against their Intel counterparts. We'll also provide you with expert advice on selecting the right motherboard for your new CPU, helping you to create a system that meets your unique needs and budget.

By joining us on this journey through the world of CPUs, we aim to provide you with the knowledge and expertise needed to make informed decisions about upgrading your system. Whether you're looking to improve gaming performance or explore new content creation opportunities, we're here to guide you every step of the way.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: entoday is another product launch day and actually we have another wave of cpus coming from amd at some point here in the near future so uh ask the wife we've been super busy with benchmarking today though we've got the 5900x and the 5800x this one here is the 12 core 24 thread variant and this one here is the eight core 16 thread variance this is more in line with like a modern intel core i7 and this one is uh just a bit beefier than a core i9 now don't get me wrong these chips they really need to impress i mean how much better can things really get on the same or what is essentially the same seven nanometer process from tsmc well if you haven't already be sure to check out our previous video which breaks down the key component of zen 3 architecture that sharply reduces quarter core memory latencies uh two two key factors quarter core latency and memory latency uh that many games rely on so it's important that we that we stress that going into this because you're going to be impressed and if amd can do just that again steal the gaming crown from intel who's been basically grasping at straws at this point to keep it in its corner then i'd say this is a huge win for zen 3 and then at that point we just need to discuss price so let's get started stay with me this video is brought to you by ridge wallet a sleek light and compact solution for buggy unorganized messes fellas be honest does your wallet look anything like this right here ridge wallet hold up to 12 cards plus room for cash you can choose between over 30 styles and enjoy a durable build backed by a lifetime warranty and peace of mind thanks to rfid blocking tech baked in my favorite designs are these two right here the carbon fiber model and the forged carbon model this one's especially cool and you can find both via the link below just visit ridge.com forward slash gs and use code gs for 10 off with free worldwide shipping and returns that's ridge.com forward slash gs and use code gs so without rehashing all the details we've already discussed in previous videos you should know that our test bench for every cpu you're about to see tested has remained exactly the same save the obvious necessities the obvious differences uh in motherboards so we went with a z motherboard for our intel platform and then we went with a b550 motherboard for our amd platform uh we updated to the latest available bios i should note that amd did not want us testing at least out of the gate with a b550 board they intentionally directed us to one of the four or five you know big boards from the manufacturers like azeroth gigabyte and asus i don't even think i had i don't think i have one of those on hand to test with as i figured all right well b550 seems like a pretty promising uh chipset i think a lot of people are gonna be upgrading to something like that because it's just a bit more affordable than x570 you don't have that chipset fan either which is super annoying even though you can usually tweak it in in the bios so b550 it is keep that in the back of your head that might slightly change a few things and i'll get back to power and bios settings in a second but i do also want to stress that we used a 2080 ti from msi as our graphics card course that's going to remain the same throughout all of our tests the cooler was an actual nhu12a and we used a carbonate pad from thermal grizzly to make sure that there weren't any variances in how thermal paste otherwise would have been applied so carbon pads are typically going to perform about on par maybe slightly worse than traditional thermal compound certainly not as good as premium thermal paste but this allows us to keep testing consistency we do have cpu thermals to show you as well which is again going to vary from chip to chip but now you get an idea of where things fall in line and of course i encourage everyone to watch more than just one or two reviews or to read one or two reviews you want to read more than that you want to watch more than that i expect other tech youtubers and websites pair their cpus with different platforms and different graphics cards both of which as you i'm sure you all know can have substantial impacts on how the cpus perform so feel free to pause this video for a closer look at our specs every cpu in this list was measured at stock conditions with precision boost enabled for amd and mce disabled for intel now mce or multi-core enhancement pushes intel cpus far beyond stock tdp levels for long durations that's the key distinction by heavily modifying voltages whereas pb allows for temporary boost spikes within acceptable windows of elevated power draw so in essence one is like a factory sanctioned overclock so to speak and the other falls more in line with like turbo boost from intel it's about as clean cut and dry as i can describe that to you without elaborating and you'll see this reflected here in our power drawn temperature chart so under an ida 64 load for the coors cache and fpus our 5800x review uh review sample pulled 112 watts at its peak this is with pb enabled while our 5900x pulled around 140. now contrast this with intel offerings like the 10900k which already pulls 210 watts alone with mce disabled which in case you're wondering shot up to 100 degrees celsius with our noctua nhu 12a after about five seconds of running the same stress test with mce enabled and yeah this is why we leave it unselected now moving on to our cinebench r20 scores we reveal here a major upset in single core performance both our zen 3 chips absolutely demolish intel competitors i mean look this is this is night and day in my opinion 616 and 622 versus what 530 or so for the core i9 granted this is a stock core i9 but still these frequencies get up pretty high even at stock amongst a single core especially and i'm just i'm kind of in shock it hasn't fully set in yet i mean this is a massive leap i don't even think i could hit 620 on a single core if i manually overclocked my 10 900k sample so that's saying something power draw and temps aside it it's it's a pretty phenomenal feat so amd's doing pretty good so far but will this translate across the board that's the big question traditionally the answer is no but we'll see anyway geekbench 5 is up next which contains a cluster of cpu intensive tasks and well we see our zen 3 chips still dominating the competition across the board i mean heck even on our multi-core side right look at the 5800x which only has eight cores mind you it's outperforming our 10 900k which has 10 cores right that's how big of an efficiency gap zen 3 has bridged here but now on to 3dmark in time spy which is a 1440p dx12 synthetic the 58 and 5900x actually lose to the 10900k in our physics test which ended up affecting our overall score as well and i reran these benchmarks several times to ensure nothing strange was taking place maybe like a random background process popped up that's why you want to run multiple times but sure enough intel is still favored here when paired with the exact same graphics card but how about actual games maybe you shadow of the tomb raider look amd actually showcased this one in its zen 3 keynote so i was keen to test things similar to how they had i'm not sure exactly what platform they used exactly what what's in-game settings they used uh but i actually found coincidentally uh fairly similar frame rates for my 5800x and 5900x samples my 3900x actually ended up doing quite a bit better than they revealed but again i'm not exactly sure how things were run the small delta between zen 2 and 10th gen intel however has been closed with the release of zen 3 and amd is now on par with intel in this title what do you know f12020 and dx12 is up next here both 5000 series processors clearly dominate the competition 232 fps on average in 1080p that's the high preset with a dab of anti-aliasing i think taa and this is 15 fps more than the 10 900k this is a title that the 100k has been dominating in uh and i feel like i'm i feel like i'm kind of kind of dreaming here i mean i don't know i suppose it's not too big of a surprise when you look at the the 19 touted ipc uplift uh and look your previous generation was was already occasionally trading blows with team blue uh so i suppose you should be on top in some of these titles uh but it's great to see and i have i mean sure like one percent lows if i'm really being picky here uh those were a bit low bit lower than i would have liked but nothing too alarming and something that could possibly be tweaked in software over time but uh just on the surface especially the averages sen three's looking modified now let's take a look at an older title gta v i like to test this one mainly because it tends to be fairly intel biased so if amd can at least match intel here i'd say this is a win so in 1080p high settings with no anti-aliasing we're seeing quite a bit of leverage offloaded to the cpu although the usages or the overall usage wouldn't suggest this but when compared side by side you can see just how close things are between amd and intel i'm pleasantly surprised by how well the 500x in particular does here it keeps up with a 10 core intel counterpart and even narrowly beats the 9900 ks in both averages and one percent lows and remember the 9900 ks in this this group of cpus boosts to five gigahertz across all eight cores stocks this is essentially a factory overclocked chip to begin with so this is pretty huge ash of a singularity is up next and i know this one isn't a particularly popular title i actually think it's more popular among benchmarkers than actual gamers it's just more of a reviewer's title but these margins are worth noting amd loses just slightly here but they've closed the gap that existed with zen 2 i'm not sure if this was a title that was tested i i feel like at the top of my head it was i'm not sure how they presented it but in my testing in 1080p again high preset the amd zen 3 chips slightly slightly fell behind nothing too alarming i would say but the opposing argument in this case is also worth mentioning and keep in mind the fact that this 10 700k is actually a a decent i don't want to say fair i think it's a disservice to this trip it's actually a pretty decent value if you can find it for around 350 bucks uh and in respect to this title again the 10700k looks like the better value uh you're actually getting still eight cores you're getting 16 threads you're getting overclocking support albeit with the z3 series motherboard only but still keep chips like these in the back of your mind when scrubbing through these graphs because performance is very game dependent and and the prices of these cpus especially bearing in mind that zen 3 costs a bit more than zen 2 and then zen plus and heck even the original zen chips did is potentially the one you know problem with this launch i don't want to jump to conclusions just yet but um zen 3 is not destroying intel in any of these gaming benchmarks i mean f120 is the exception but uh you're already at super high frame rates and at that point if you're gonna be you know buying a five or six hundred dollar cpu i highly doubt you're gonna be playing in 1080p i mean maybe you're playing a super competitive title like csgo and 1080p is where it's at a smaller display i get it right that's what pros do but a lot of people buying these chips i feel like are going to be going for at least 1440p that's going to offload a bit more of the um you know the the utilization i should say uh to the graphics card and if you get a beefy graphics or like a 20 80 20 ti or heck even a new ampere card um i don't think it's gonna matter which cpu you go with because the graphics card is gonna be stressed more than anything at which point these chips aren't looking as good they're not looking as good for gaming but productivity definitely where these things excel so interesting interesting observation i guess from the graphs i'm sure some of you were looking at the graphs thinking how on earth did you come to that conclusion uh but i think where the real value for gaming is going to be is in the sixth core variant of zen three uh just because six scores 12 threads tends to be the sweet spot for most gamers now you want to talk about streaming that's another story and we have a dedicated video coming about that but the i keep picking up this one thinking it's the 5800x this one the 5800x or whatever other cheaper variant of the ryzen 7 5000 series chip comes out will be more than likely at least this is traditionally how it's been uh the best for a streamer content creator because you've got those extra cores at your disposal not that you couldn't already do that with a six core variant but uh just a bit more cpu headroom at your disposal now the last game i tested was just for the laws but it was planet coaster i downloaded a super detailed map from the steam workshop and rode one of the coasters in that map in pov actually so i was recording the frame rate along the way from start to finish and obviously something like 30fps is absolute trash for a system like this but certain games using certain engines will only favor a few cores they will only utilize a few cores heck look at our gpu utilizations it's super low but so is our cpu utilization so you know there's a bottleneck somewhere and in this case it is definitely in the cpu because we're only testing things at 1080p and in the high preset we're not even in the ultra preset here and in situations like this it's going to come down to ipc and sheer clock speed over anything else and we see that play out here right the 5900 x looks rather appealing in this light i mean pulling 30 fps while the 9900 ks for example uh struggles to hit just below that uh this is a at lower frame rates this is a 10 delta or there abouts right whereas if it was a three fps difference at 200 fps right that's a much smaller percentage you're more you're a lot less likely to perceive that difference uh but potentially the difference between 25 and 30 right you can notice i i i have a trained eye doing what i do filming and the like uh i can tell the difference between 24 and 30 fps um i imagine most probably could if they were told to you know that one was a lower frame rate than the other uh but the untrained eye might not notice the difference just a lot easier to do at a lower frame rate than when you're at 100 or 200 fps which is again why i wanted to show a title like this it's just just crazily unoptimized for a platform that's powerful so let's spend a bit of time then talking about price it's going to be a talking head segment of the video you can you know minimize the screen if you want you have to look at me but to be honest things are a bit less competitive in certain respects than i initially thought case in point the 5900x has two extra cores in the 10-900k uh and it also happens to be quite a bit more efficient right but it costs an additional 50 bucks at least on paper now you're probably not going to find a 10900k at msrp but still you're not even getting a stock cooler here so that argument's out the window for amd fans the only difference at this point is availability i get that the platform support i get that but platform support is pretty much ending with this generation here as far as i'm concerned uh and then the igp which is a very niche use case but still you have the igp in the 100k unless you're buying the f sku you don't have an igp here and again remember i want to stress this because this is something that i feel like is unfair to not point out the 100k at msrp is super difficult to come by uh some reputable e-retailers have it marked up by 50 bucks or more so when prices are apples to apples the 5900k in my opinion is the better choice hands down period but what about the 5800x this one's a bit more peculiar because it's the first time a ryzen based eight core chip uh i'm pretty sure it's the first time has dipped heavy into the 400 price range you can find one for around maybe 450 at launch i'd be surprised if these didn't sell out pretty fast uh but you have a difficult choice ahead of you uh if you're kind of in the undecided pool because the 10 700k is readily available at least as of time of filming at around 375 bucks and it's still an eight core 16 thread overclockable chip with an igp uh i think where the real value exists it's gonna be with the non-x skew or the 5700 sku uh should that one ever see the light of day i don't have any word of whether or not that exists uh and and look this is no surprise really we you know we have we have a dedicated overclocking video coming for these two chips in particular but most of us know that the real value is in the 700 and 600 marks cpus from amd so the 5600 and the 5700 particularly the non-excuse assuming they exist uh these will be the ones to to go after if you value uh well value now but look as it stands these chips will make for pretty awesome upgrades if you're only on say an original zen cpu uh or maybe even zen plus i wouldn't consider upgrading from zen 2 unless you're interested in making a substantial core count jump in the process so something like a 3600 to a 3900x possibly worth it there if your workload demands it and assuming you can get some decent cashback for the resale of your 3600 but if you're already on say like a 3900x or even a 3800x in my opinion it doesn't really make sense to upgrade to a 58 or 5900x i mean the ipc improvements are definitely noticeable but you'll be paying a bit of a premium for early adoption no doubt and you're unlikely to notice any substantial i think it's a fair word any substantial jump in gaming performance because zen 2 let's be real was already pretty good i mean it was good enough for most people give or take five percent off of intel's marks in most titles uh so i hope you guys enjoyed this one i think that the the last question then is if you're thinking about upgrading what motherboard do you have if you're on b350 or x370 it doesn't look like you're gonna get support and there might be bios's that roll out that allow support for it but i i don't really see that happening um i'd be happy if it did so i'm certainly not against it but at least as of right now it's not officially supported if you're already on b450 or x470 though and you have say a 2600 or a 1600 uh that would be like the the ripe area for an upgrade so something like a 30 or not a 30 a 50 800 x would be decent again for the right workloads uh maybe you want to wait a bit more see if there's a 5700 something like that that comes out it'd be a bit better value maybe dips just below 400 i think that would be the ultimate sweet spot for the all-around just yeah the all-arounder just the best at pretty much everything a consumer could possibly want to do so with that i keep sliding these things across the table i don't know what to do with them if you guys like the video be sure to give it a thumbs up let me know in the comments below what you want to see next yeah we have the overclocking video coming as well as um a kind of a unique video where we we actually clock these cpus all to four gigahertz across all whatever eight or twelve cores we're gonna do the same for the intel chips and we're gonna compare side by side just how much better zen 3 is clock for clock so being a measurement of ipc instructions per uh so stay tuned for that as well as that overclocking video i think the the the 5900x is going to be a pretty sweet overclocker i kind of got that vibe the core is actually boosted frequency was holding around 4.5 gigahertz uh when i was stressing in is 64 i think it was 4.4 the lowest that any of the cores got which is it's better all right it's better than zen 2 uh but it's not that 4.8 4.9 gig out of box all core that some people were hoping for so we'll see how that fares when it comes to manual overclocking and uh yeah some of the cheaper variants coming out as well the 3600x is going to be sent i believe this week or next week we should test that one out and give you guys the inside scoop thank you for watching again comment subscribe leave a like and i'll see you in the next one my name is greg thanks for learning with metoday is another product launch day and actually we have another wave of cpus coming from amd at some point here in the near future so uh ask the wife we've been super busy with benchmarking today though we've got the 5900x and the 5800x this one here is the 12 core 24 thread variant and this one here is the eight core 16 thread variance this is more in line with like a modern intel core i7 and this one is uh just a bit beefier than a core i9 now don't get me wrong these chips they really need to impress i mean how much better can things really get on the same or what is essentially the same seven nanometer process from tsmc well if you haven't already be sure to check out our previous video which breaks down the key component of zen 3 architecture that sharply reduces quarter core memory latencies uh two two key factors quarter core latency and memory latency uh that many games rely on so it's important that we that we stress that going into this because you're going to be impressed and if amd can do just that again steal the gaming crown from intel who's been basically grasping at straws at this point to keep it in its corner then i'd say this is a huge win for zen 3 and then at that point we just need to discuss price so let's get started stay with me this video is brought to you by ridge wallet a sleek light and compact solution for buggy unorganized messes fellas be honest does your wallet look anything like this right here ridge wallet hold up to 12 cards plus room for cash you can choose between over 30 styles and enjoy a durable build backed by a lifetime warranty and peace of mind thanks to rfid blocking tech baked in my favorite designs are these two right here the carbon fiber model and the forged carbon model this one's especially cool and you can find both via the link below just visit ridge.com forward slash gs and use code gs for 10 off with free worldwide shipping and returns that's ridge.com forward slash gs and use code gs so without rehashing all the details we've already discussed in previous videos you should know that our test bench for every cpu you're about to see tested has remained exactly the same save the obvious necessities the obvious differences uh in motherboards so we went with a z motherboard for our intel platform and then we went with a b550 motherboard for our amd platform uh we updated to the latest available bios i should note that amd did not want us testing at least out of the gate with a b550 board they intentionally directed us to one of the four or five you know big boards from the manufacturers like azeroth gigabyte and asus i don't even think i had i don't think i have one of those on hand to test with as i figured all right well b550 seems like a pretty promising uh chipset i think a lot of people are gonna be upgrading to something like that because it's just a bit more affordable than x570 you don't have that chipset fan either which is super annoying even though you can usually tweak it in in the bios so b550 it is keep that in the back of your head that might slightly change a few things and i'll get back to power and bios settings in a second but i do also want to stress that we used a 2080 ti from msi as our graphics card course that's going to remain the same throughout all of our tests the cooler was an actual nhu12a and we used a carbonate pad from thermal grizzly to make sure that there weren't any variances in how thermal paste otherwise would have been applied so carbon pads are typically going to perform about on par maybe slightly worse than traditional thermal compound certainly not as good as premium thermal paste but this allows us to keep testing consistency we do have cpu thermals to show you as well which is again going to vary from chip to chip but now you get an idea of where things fall in line and of course i encourage everyone to watch more than just one or two reviews or to read one or two reviews you want to read more than that you want to watch more than that i expect other tech youtubers and websites pair their cpus with different platforms and different graphics cards both of which as you i'm sure you all know can have substantial impacts on how the cpus perform so feel free to pause this video for a closer look at our specs every cpu in this list was measured at stock conditions with precision boost enabled for amd and mce disabled for intel now mce or multi-core enhancement pushes intel cpus far beyond stock tdp levels for long durations that's the key distinction by heavily modifying voltages whereas pb allows for temporary boost spikes within acceptable windows of elevated power draw so in essence one is like a factory sanctioned overclock so to speak and the other falls more in line with like turbo boost from intel it's about as clean cut and dry as i can describe that to you without elaborating and you'll see this reflected here in our power drawn temperature chart so under an ida 64 load for the coors cache and fpus our 5800x review uh review sample pulled 112 watts at its peak this is with pb enabled while our 5900x pulled around 140. now contrast this with intel offerings like the 10900k which already pulls 210 watts alone with mce disabled which in case you're wondering shot up to 100 degrees celsius with our noctua nhu 12a after about five seconds of running the same stress test with mce enabled and yeah this is why we leave it unselected now moving on to our cinebench r20 scores we reveal here a major upset in single core performance both our zen 3 chips absolutely demolish intel competitors i mean look this is this is night and day in my opinion 616 and 622 versus what 530 or so for the core i9 granted this is a stock core i9 but still these frequencies get up pretty high even at stock amongst a single core especially and i'm just i'm kind of in shock it hasn't fully set in yet i mean this is a massive leap i don't even think i could hit 620 on a single core if i manually overclocked my 10 900k sample so that's saying something power draw and temps aside it it's it's a pretty phenomenal feat so amd's doing pretty good so far but will this translate across the board that's the big question traditionally the answer is no but we'll see anyway geekbench 5 is up next which contains a cluster of cpu intensive tasks and well we see our zen 3 chips still dominating the competition across the board i mean heck even on our multi-core side right look at the 5800x which only has eight cores mind you it's outperforming our 10 900k which has 10 cores right that's how big of an efficiency gap zen 3 has bridged here but now on to 3dmark in time spy which is a 1440p dx12 synthetic the 58 and 5900x actually lose to the 10900k in our physics test which ended up affecting our overall score as well and i reran these benchmarks several times to ensure nothing strange was taking place maybe like a random background process popped up that's why you want to run multiple times but sure enough intel is still favored here when paired with the exact same graphics card but how about actual games maybe you shadow of the tomb raider look amd actually showcased this one in its zen 3 keynote so i was keen to test things similar to how they had i'm not sure exactly what platform they used exactly what what's in-game settings they used uh but i actually found coincidentally uh fairly similar frame rates for my 5800x and 5900x samples my 3900x actually ended up doing quite a bit better than they revealed but again i'm not exactly sure how things were run the small delta between zen 2 and 10th gen intel however has been closed with the release of zen 3 and amd is now on par with intel in this title what do you know f12020 and dx12 is up next here both 5000 series processors clearly dominate the competition 232 fps on average in 1080p that's the high preset with a dab of anti-aliasing i think taa and this is 15 fps more than the 10 900k this is a title that the 100k has been dominating in uh and i feel like i'm i feel like i'm kind of kind of dreaming here i mean i don't know i suppose it's not too big of a surprise when you look at the the 19 touted ipc uplift uh and look your previous generation was was already occasionally trading blows with team blue uh so i suppose you should be on top in some of these titles uh but it's great to see and i have i mean sure like one percent lows if i'm really being picky here uh those were a bit low bit lower than i would have liked but nothing too alarming and something that could possibly be tweaked in software over time but uh just on the surface especially the averages sen three's looking modified now let's take a look at an older title gta v i like to test this one mainly because it tends to be fairly intel biased so if amd can at least match intel here i'd say this is a win so in 1080p high settings with no anti-aliasing we're seeing quite a bit of leverage offloaded to the cpu although the usages or the overall usage wouldn't suggest this but when compared side by side you can see just how close things are between amd and intel i'm pleasantly surprised by how well the 500x in particular does here it keeps up with a 10 core intel counterpart and even narrowly beats the 9900 ks in both averages and one percent lows and remember the 9900 ks in this this group of cpus boosts to five gigahertz across all eight cores stocks this is essentially a factory overclocked chip to begin with so this is pretty huge ash of a singularity is up next and i know this one isn't a particularly popular title i actually think it's more popular among benchmarkers than actual gamers it's just more of a reviewer's title but these margins are worth noting amd loses just slightly here but they've closed the gap that existed with zen 2 i'm not sure if this was a title that was tested i i feel like at the top of my head it was i'm not sure how they presented it but in my testing in 1080p again high preset the amd zen 3 chips slightly slightly fell behind nothing too alarming i would say but the opposing argument in this case is also worth mentioning and keep in mind the fact that this 10 700k is actually a a decent i don't want to say fair i think it's a disservice to this trip it's actually a pretty decent value if you can find it for around 350 bucks uh and in respect to this title again the 10700k looks like the better value uh you're actually getting still eight cores you're getting 16 threads you're getting overclocking support albeit with the z3 series motherboard only but still keep chips like these in the back of your mind when scrubbing through these graphs because performance is very game dependent and and the prices of these cpus especially bearing in mind that zen 3 costs a bit more than zen 2 and then zen plus and heck even the original zen chips did is potentially the one you know problem with this launch i don't want to jump to conclusions just yet but um zen 3 is not destroying intel in any of these gaming benchmarks i mean f120 is the exception but uh you're already at super high frame rates and at that point if you're gonna be you know buying a five or six hundred dollar cpu i highly doubt you're gonna be playing in 1080p i mean maybe you're playing a super competitive title like csgo and 1080p is where it's at a smaller display i get it right that's what pros do but a lot of people buying these chips i feel like are going to be going for at least 1440p that's going to offload a bit more of the um you know the the utilization i should say uh to the graphics card and if you get a beefy graphics or like a 20 80 20 ti or heck even a new ampere card um i don't think it's gonna matter which cpu you go with because the graphics card is gonna be stressed more than anything at which point these chips aren't looking as good they're not looking as good for gaming but productivity definitely where these things excel so interesting interesting observation i guess from the graphs i'm sure some of you were looking at the graphs thinking how on earth did you come to that conclusion uh but i think where the real value for gaming is going to be is in the sixth core variant of zen three uh just because six scores 12 threads tends to be the sweet spot for most gamers now you want to talk about streaming that's another story and we have a dedicated video coming about that but the i keep picking up this one thinking it's the 5800x this one the 5800x or whatever other cheaper variant of the ryzen 7 5000 series chip comes out will be more than likely at least this is traditionally how it's been uh the best for a streamer content creator because you've got those extra cores at your disposal not that you couldn't already do that with a six core variant but uh just a bit more cpu headroom at your disposal now the last game i tested was just for the laws but it was planet coaster i downloaded a super detailed map from the steam workshop and rode one of the coasters in that map in pov actually so i was recording the frame rate along the way from start to finish and obviously something like 30fps is absolute trash for a system like this but certain games using certain engines will only favor a few cores they will only utilize a few cores heck look at our gpu utilizations it's super low but so is our cpu utilization so you know there's a bottleneck somewhere and in this case it is definitely in the cpu because we're only testing things at 1080p and in the high preset we're not even in the ultra preset here and in situations like this it's going to come down to ipc and sheer clock speed over anything else and we see that play out here right the 5900 x looks rather appealing in this light i mean pulling 30 fps while the 9900 ks for example uh struggles to hit just below that uh this is a at lower frame rates this is a 10 delta or there abouts right whereas if it was a three fps difference at 200 fps right that's a much smaller percentage you're more you're a lot less likely to perceive that difference uh but potentially the difference between 25 and 30 right you can notice i i i have a trained eye doing what i do filming and the like uh i can tell the difference between 24 and 30 fps um i imagine most probably could if they were told to you know that one was a lower frame rate than the other uh but the untrained eye might not notice the difference just a lot easier to do at a lower frame rate than when you're at 100 or 200 fps which is again why i wanted to show a title like this it's just just crazily unoptimized for a platform that's powerful so let's spend a bit of time then talking about price it's going to be a talking head segment of the video you can you know minimize the screen if you want you have to look at me but to be honest things are a bit less competitive in certain respects than i initially thought case in point the 5900x has two extra cores in the 10-900k uh and it also happens to be quite a bit more efficient right but it costs an additional 50 bucks at least on paper now you're probably not going to find a 10900k at msrp but still you're not even getting a stock cooler here so that argument's out the window for amd fans the only difference at this point is availability i get that the platform support i get that but platform support is pretty much ending with this generation here as far as i'm concerned uh and then the igp which is a very niche use case but still you have the igp in the 100k unless you're buying the f sku you don't have an igp here and again remember i want to stress this because this is something that i feel like is unfair to not point out the 100k at msrp is super difficult to come by uh some reputable e-retailers have it marked up by 50 bucks or more so when prices are apples to apples the 5900k in my opinion is the better choice hands down period but what about the 5800x this one's a bit more peculiar because it's the first time a ryzen based eight core chip uh i'm pretty sure it's the first time has dipped heavy into the 400 price range you can find one for around maybe 450 at launch i'd be surprised if these didn't sell out pretty fast uh but you have a difficult choice ahead of you uh if you're kind of in the undecided pool because the 10 700k is readily available at least as of time of filming at around 375 bucks and it's still an eight core 16 thread overclockable chip with an igp uh i think where the real value exists it's gonna be with the non-x skew or the 5700 sku uh should that one ever see the light of day i don't have any word of whether or not that exists uh and and look this is no surprise really we you know we have we have a dedicated overclocking video coming for these two chips in particular but most of us know that the real value is in the 700 and 600 marks cpus from amd so the 5600 and the 5700 particularly the non-excuse assuming they exist uh these will be the ones to to go after if you value uh well value now but look as it stands these chips will make for pretty awesome upgrades if you're only on say an original zen cpu uh or maybe even zen plus i wouldn't consider upgrading from zen 2 unless you're interested in making a substantial core count jump in the process so something like a 3600 to a 3900x possibly worth it there if your workload demands it and assuming you can get some decent cashback for the resale of your 3600 but if you're already on say like a 3900x or even a 3800x in my opinion it doesn't really make sense to upgrade to a 58 or 5900x i mean the ipc improvements are definitely noticeable but you'll be paying a bit of a premium for early adoption no doubt and you're unlikely to notice any substantial i think it's a fair word any substantial jump in gaming performance because zen 2 let's be real was already pretty good i mean it was good enough for most people give or take five percent off of intel's marks in most titles uh so i hope you guys enjoyed this one i think that the the last question then is if you're thinking about upgrading what motherboard do you have if you're on b350 or x370 it doesn't look like you're gonna get support and there might be bios's that roll out that allow support for it but i i don't really see that happening um i'd be happy if it did so i'm certainly not against it but at least as of right now it's not officially supported if you're already on b450 or x470 though and you have say a 2600 or a 1600 uh that would be like the the ripe area for an upgrade so something like a 30 or not a 30 a 50 800 x would be decent again for the right workloads uh maybe you want to wait a bit more see if there's a 5700 something like that that comes out it'd be a bit better value maybe dips just below 400 i think that would be the ultimate sweet spot for the all-around just yeah the all-arounder just the best at pretty much everything a consumer could possibly want to do so with that i keep sliding these things across the table i don't know what to do with them if you guys like the video be sure to give it a thumbs up let me know in the comments below what you want to see next yeah we have the overclocking video coming as well as um a kind of a unique video where we we actually clock these cpus all to four gigahertz across all whatever eight or twelve cores we're gonna do the same for the intel chips and we're gonna compare side by side just how much better zen 3 is clock for clock so being a measurement of ipc instructions per uh so stay tuned for that as well as that overclocking video i think the the the 5900x is going to be a pretty sweet overclocker i kind of got that vibe the core is actually boosted frequency was holding around 4.5 gigahertz uh when i was stressing in is 64 i think it was 4.4 the lowest that any of the cores got which is it's better all right it's better than zen 2 uh but it's not that 4.8 4.9 gig out of box all core that some people were hoping for so we'll see how that fares when it comes to manual overclocking and uh yeah some of the cheaper variants coming out as well the 3600x is going to be sent i believe this week or next week we should test that one out and give you guys the inside scoop thank you for watching again comment subscribe leave a like and i'll see you in the next one my name is greg thanks for learning with me\n"