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The 2020 Subaru Legacy: A Redesigned Marvel with Controversies and Car Care Considerations

We give our take on the redesigned 2020 Subaru Legacy, an impressive model that embodies the perfect blend of style, performance, and functionality. Our team at Talking Cars is excited to share their insights on this vehicle.

Recently, emissions and fuel economy have been making headlines in the automotive world, and it's all because of a series of tweets from none other than @realDonaldTrump. As we dive into the details, you might be wondering why these two topics are connected. Let's find out.

You have to admit, @realDonaldTrump's tweet has piqued our interest. So, what exactly is at the heart of this controversy? We're about to get the scoop and take a closer look at the issues surrounding emissions and safety.

Hey, welcome back! I'm Keith Barry, Jennifer Stockburger, and Ryan Pszczolkowski, and we're thrilled to be here today to discuss some pressing questions. Our first topic up for debate is whether you should stick with a stickshift for a long commute. We'll explore the pros and cons of this age-old question and bring our expertise to the table.

At Talking Cars, we're passionate about providing car enthusiasts with the information they need to make informed decisions. In this article, we'll delve into the world of emissions, safety, and, of course, stickshifts – so, let's get started!

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enWe give our take on theredesigned 2020 Subaru Legacy.Then we addresssome controversiesaround emissionsand fuel economy.And finally, weanswer your questions,including one about whetheryou should stick with a stickshift for a long commute.Next on Talking Cars.Hey, welcome back.I'm Keith Barry.I'm Jennifer Stockburger.And I'm Ryan Pszczolkowski.And today, we're going to startoff by talking about emissionsand safety havebeen in the news,and it's been becausea series of tweets,and those tweets arefrom @realDonaldTrump.Name sounds familiar.So the first oneis, \"My proposalto the politicallycorrect automobilecompanies would lowerthe average priceof a car to consumersby more than $3,000,while at the same time makingthe car substantially safer.Engines would run smoother.Very little impacton the environment!Foolish executives!\"And then the second one is, \"Thelegendary Henry Ford and AlfredSloan, the founders of FordMotor Company and GeneralMotors, are 'rollingover' at the weaknessof current carcompany executiveswilling to spend moremoney on a car thatis not as safe or good, andcost $3,000 more to consumers.Crazy!\"Why is he talking cars?That's our job.That's our job really.So, Jen, why have theseissues sort of surfaced?Amidst all thechaos in the world,why are emissions worthyof presidential attention?Right.So a bit of a timeline,just forgive me,but what he's referring to isa recent agreement with Ford,also BMW, Honda, and Volkswagen,with the state of Californiathat says they will agreeto improve fuel economyemissions to a level in betweenwhat previously Californiawas requiring and waspart of a federal mandate.So California is kind of ableto do its own thing, right?So let me step back.So 1970s fueleconomy standards--That far back?Right.OK.2009, the SupremeCourt says, hey, CO2,which comes from burningfuel, is a greenhousegas emissions and now can beregulated as an air pollutant.So they had two phases.Phase one was 2012 to '16,phase two 2017 to '25,and they had to up by about5% each year improvement.In greenhouse--In greenhouse gasemissions, which ultimatelyrelates to fuel economy as well.So included in thatwas sort of a waiverto the state ofCalifornia, because theyhad worse pollutionissues, that theycould set even higher standardsthan the federal mandatesover time, and other statessubsequently followed,including Connecticut,where we're based.So those were consideredthe clean car states.So that phase two mandate alsoincluded a mid-term reviewthat said, in 2018, we'regoing to review and makesure we're on the right track.Originally, they said, thosestandards seemed appropriate.But more recently, and inTrump's, Trump has said, hey,I don't think weneed to go that far.We're going kind of rollback and freeze standardswhere they should be in2020 and not continueto show these improvements.So that Ford then says,hey, wait a minute,we need to kind ofknow, Ford and others,we're already planningcars out to 2025.Yeah, way past.Yeah.So they then agreewith Californiato come somewhere in the middle.Still improvements, notto the same level aswas in the mandate, whichhas not been erased yet,but somewhere in between, andthat's what he's referring to.So he's saying Henry Ford wouldnever have agreed to this.He'd be rolling overif he knew that Fordwas agreeing to these, whichwere going to cost consumersmoney.Yeah.So there's a lot to unpack here.There's a lot to unpack here.So, I mean, OK, wecould get pedanticand say, oh, Alfred Sloan wasn'tthe founder of General Motors,he was one of the--But, I mean, there'ssome other things.That $3,000 number, the factthat cars are less safe if youmake them more--this doesn't necessarilyall of this jibewith some of the researchthat we've done, right?Right.So some of thisis just not true.Cars are safer than they were.Right.There's no doubt about that.We don't even haveto go down that road.More expensive, yeah maybe.If you look at it asthe Accord 10 years agowas less than it is today,but the car 10 years agohad half the featuresthat an Accord has today.We're getting morevehicle per poundthan we have ever inthe history of cars, OK?Just between safety, allthe safety stuff that'sin them to make themsafer, it potentiallyadds a little bit of weight,but these cars are stillmore efficient than they were.So actually poundfor pound, we'regetting more car thanwe've ever gottenin the history of automobiles,to be honest with you.In some cases, if youadjust for inflation,some of thesevehicles are actuallya little cheaper than they--if you adjusted the price from10, 20 years ago to today.I think what people areseeing, though, too,is that cars are physicallybigger than they were.So if you take thenew Civic, it'sthe size of theold Honda Accord.Right.And they're growing.It's safer, though.This isn't a bad thing.Yet, more fuel efficient.And it's still gettingthe fuel efficiency,even though it's bigger.And it may be a tadheavier in some,but it's still more efficient.So some of this is true, someof it's just flat out not true.The other thing, too, he talksabout Henry Ford rolling over.If I understand the automotivephilosophies of Henry Ford,it was about qualitythrough mass production,getting reasonably pricedcars to the common man.To do that, Ford hasto be able to plan.And to their point, which iswhy they made this agreement,they're already welldown the road to 2025.And we have allenjoyed technologiesthat haven't hurt theperformance of the cars,have improved it, but alsogiven us better fuel economy.And to me, the price ofthe car maybe or maybe not,to Ryan's point, hasincreased maybe slightly,but there's the costof ownership, too.We've all enjoyedbetter fuel economy,less money out of our walletevery single day of the carswe drive now.So I'm not sure Henrywould be rolling over.I'm sorry.I like what you saidabout continuitybecause these car companies,these are international carcompanies.They have to plan forregulations in Europe, China,India, I mean, SouthAmerica, everywhere.Yep.And if the United Statesbecomes an outlier,they're probably just goingto do the R&D to meet whateverthe strictest standard is.I mean, we see this in almostany industry that's regulated.Correct.Correct.You don't want fivedifferent cars made.They're going tomake one and make it.And I said, as I'mreading through this,necessity is themother of invention.And if these standardsbecome the necessity,we all enjoy the inventionthat comes from them.So yeah.I mean, it might be hard forthat R&D to take place, thatmight be expensive, butlook at where we are nowversus the late 1970s, when thatsort of regulatory environmentfirst started.Right.We have catalytic converters.I mean, just look at picturesof what LA looked like, the air,and compare it to today.I know that's an unscientificway of measurement.It's very real, I do think.So all right, so off totalking about an actual carthat we've got.We rented a 2020 Subaru Legacy.Now for me, this isa little familiarbecause a couple of weeks agowe talked about the SubaruOutback, and they'revery similar.But this is the sedan.It's really popularwith our members.It's an all-wheel drive sedan.It's relatively affordable.What do you think?So I drove it for a little ways.I didn't go too far with it,but it's extremely comfortable.I was shocked by howthis vehicle rides.Yep.The last Legacy I liked a lot.We liked it.It was highly rated.This car isn'texciting to drive,but I couldn't believehow well it rode.It's a comfortable car.You can get in it, got a normalshifter, you just take off.And it's got a CVT, you don'tnotice it unless you reallystomp on the throttleand it revs up,but it's very easy to drive.Thought the interiorwas kind of nice.I was very impressed with it.Did you drive the turbo andthe naturally aspirated?Yeah.On the turbo, I mean,the more power a CVT has,the better the CVTacts, I believe.It was just an easy,comfortable car to drive.But it's not exciting.The steering's a littledull, and it's justa comfortable car.I love that turbo.Yes.I also drove the turbo, so yeah.That's the one I would get,I guess, if I could choose.So I drove the turbo.I know that on thenon-turbo version,the 2.5, that there was someconcern about CVT noise,I think, and thecabin was quiet.The power wasn'treadily available.I was very impressed withnoise and comfort in the cabin.The other thing is standardsafety, standard safety.I mean, EyeSight isstandard, blindspot warningsstill optional.Hmm.It's, again, different systems.We've talked about this before.So just so you know, don't thinkyou're getting that as partof the EyeSight package.But I was very impressed.I think old Subaru Legacyowners will be happy.I think new toLegacy will be happy.I was impressed.Yeah, as the number ofsedans sort of decreases,I think that Subaruis finally going to--Yeah, it's nice to see--And I'm sure the big screenwill be a little polarizing.I've had somethoughts about that.Yeah.I had trouble with the screenjust getting used to it.There's a learning curve.There's a learning curve.The climate isintegrated in the bottom,and I didn't care for that.I like the old justhard button separate.And you said standardchapter, which I also--Yeah, a regular shifter.That's huge.It sounds so silly to think ofthat when you get in the carnowadays, but I'm like, thankgod it's got a normal shifter.Yeah.The small pleasures.Not a manual shifter, but a--A standard automatic shifter.Aw, shucks.That screen, I gotto ask some moreabout this, because I used itwith CarPlay and Android Auto.And it's this huge screen,but it moves it downinto this tiny--Yeah, steals alltheir real estate.Yeah.I don't think it's necessarilyterrible to have a large screenif it's set up properly.This one, what do you think?I've talked about large screensin that it also typically givesyou large icons, which Ido like because I thinkyou can more easilyjust glance and dowhat you need to doand not have to getso pinpoint in your selection.So I do like that.But to Ryan's point,it may be more stuffintegrated into a screen--which we've hadreliability issues,where what happens whenthe screen goes blankon other models--than people want, to thepoint of Ryan'swith the climate.Yeah.Unlike the Volvoone, at least ithas physical buttons fortemperature up and down.But it's like half and half,and that kind of drives me nuts,too.Yeah.Either do it or don't.It's a big screen.I was impressed with that.I mean, I didn't realize,that's a big screen, like big.It's big.It's, what, 12 and1/2 inches almost.Yeah, it's huge.And I'm not sure everybodyloved the seats, whicha Subaru isn't known forits comfortable seats.They didn't bother me, but yeah.I mean, the fit andfinish in general to me,I noticed a couple of things.I mean, it sort of feltlike they made the leatherkind of feel a littlelike elephant skin,like it was just sortof gray and saggy.I've never--Have you felt anelephant really?I said it looked like it.Oh, I thought yousaid it felt like.Maybe I did.Let's edit it that,super producer.But either way, it felt kindof like that aftermarket dealerinstalled leather thatyou can get on some cars?It kind of felt--Pleather leather.Yeah.It felt like a Subaru for me.Yeah.I was indifferent on it, butI thought it was a nice car.Yeah, I did too.I did too.And for the price.Overall a positive.Yeah.It's a good value.It's out there foralso people whomight be trading inkind of older Volvosor getting rid ofthat SAAB finally.I think there'ssomething there for them.Sure.So that was a carthat we rented,but we are going to buy ourown and do a full complementof tests on it.But for now, you can go toconsumerreports.org and readour first drive, seea bunch of pictures,and tell me if the insidelooks like an elephant.All right, that's--Feels like an elephant.Feels like an elephant.That's enough from us for now.We're going to go to yourquestions, which you havesent to talkingcars@icloud.com.And some of you havesent video questions,so we're going togo to those first.Hey, Consumer Reports,Mark from California.A quick little background,I got in a car accidentwith our 2017Toyota Prius Prime.We wanted to move from aplug-in hybrid to a 100% EV.As you can see here, wedecided with the Model 3.The Standard Range Plus Model3 is a rear-wheel drive,and so I wanted to know kindof how my driving should changebased on that in the rain.Probably not much in the snowbecause we're in California,and we just go to thesnow occasionally.We'll probably take ourother cars for that.But how should our drivingchange in a rear-wheel drivevehicle versus a front-wheelor all-wheel drive vehicle?Thank you so much.All right, so rear-wheel drive,really powerful electric car.What does this guy need to know?And he doesn't live near snow.Honestly, not a lot.Drive safely.And with all the safetysystems and stuff,it's rear-wheel driveso this car has power.If you step on thegas really hardand the tires want tospin, the traction control,stability control, isgoing to shut you downand you're going to be OK.It's a fun car to drive.I prefer a rear-wheel drive car.But in general, no, youdon't need to really change.And you are insnow, I mean, you'regoing to want some snow tires.Right.It does haveperformance tires on it.Yeah, exactly.If you have occasion, Mark.We're in sunnyCalifornia, so enjoy.Right.With its own emissionstandards, as we discussed.Right.Yes.All right, next questioncomes from Matt.Good morning, Consumer Reports.We recently just lost our2011 Mitsubishi Outlanderall-wheel drive to a deer,and so we found a 2006 BMW X3.And it has a littleover 100,000 miles.We have no idea what theprevious owner has done to itor how they tookcare of it, and so Iwas wondering if there's anyadvice that you could giveto us on newly purchasinga German used vehicleand what we could do for anypreventative maintenance?Any advice would be totally,totally appreciated.All right, so I'mgoing to take this one.Matt, get it inspected.I don't care if a caris $2,000 or $200,000,bring it somewhere,get it inspected.That's the only way to knowif the car's a good buy.But, I mean, this car,I don't think it'sa tremendously bad idea.Right.So I think thebiggest concern washe said, we have no ideahow it's been cared for,which is makes me a littlewary of a car of that age.That's terrifying.If you look backat reliability, wedon't even have a lotfor that era of the X3.But it's a one forowner satisfaction.It's kind of poor forowner satisfaction.The price, if you look,it retails around $5,000.But is it $5,000, Matt,that you want to risk?I'm not sure.Yeah, I've owned alot of $5,000 carsthat became $20,000cars real quick.Exactly.And I think that's my point,there is risk to that $5,000.And if you go back, Imean, I say look at a 2010to 2011 Toyota RAV4.About the same price,bulletproof reliability,standard stability control,which he's not going to get.For similar prices, I justthink there's better options.But to your point, if youdecide to go this way,I know it's available toyou, have it inspected.And enjoy it.I mean, it's not a not-fun carto drive, so that's kind of--No.And when you'reout there again, Iknow you told us you hadan issue with a deer,we've got tips for how todeal with deer and driving,especially this time of year--Yeah, as thetemperatures get cooler,the deer are moving more.Yeah.They're hungry, too.They're hungry, too.All right, nextquestion is from Thomas.\"I drive a 2013 Ford Flex\"--Jen, this questionis here for you--\"and it's almost time for meto purchase a new vehicle.I have loved the Flex morethan any other modern vehicleI've ever owned.It's roomy and has theability to carry five adults.I'd buy a 2020 Flex, butit's being discontinued.What would you suggest for me?\"So Thomas is my friend.So finally.So totally--The kinship of the Flex.The kinship of the Flexbecause everything he says.That car, unfortunately,Thomas, for you,I don't think anythingthat's like that exists.It was somewhat ofa unique vehicle--It was unique vehicle.So I kind of walkedthrough some homework.If you were truly, if fiveadults were what you reallyneeded, you'd belooking at somethinglike a Ford Expeditionor a Chevrolet Suburban.That's the type of car that getsyou that comfortable roominessfor five adults.Unfortunately, you'relooking at about $70,000.And terrible fuel economy.You're looking at 16miles per gallon overalland a huge bulky vehicle.Come down.And again, I don't know whereyour preferences are, Thomas.I just know what you saidand what you and I like.Toyota Sienna.You're talking about goodthird row, 21 miles per gallon,super reliable, standardsafety, good price.I'm not sure a minivan is anoption for someone coming outof a Flex.OK, next step withall of that said,things that appealto me like the Flexappealed to me andConsumer Reports,I think I would say somethinglike the Subaru Ascent.Visibility, relativelycomfortable third row,22 miles per gallon,reliable, standard safety,Subaru Ascent as thebest replacement I couldthink of for the Ford Flex.What do you think?Any thoughts?Kia Telluride.Or Kia Telluride, right.So the Flex was great becauseit was easy to get in and out.It's a unique vehicle, kindof low wagon-ish thing.The Telluride, it'sgot a roomy backseat.We loved it.I love that car.I think that's a fantastic car.It's really well-appointed.Yeah.Great value.Yeah.All kinds of goodies in it.It's one of those sad times whenyour favorite car disappears.Yes.Sad.Unfortunately,that's how it goes.It's sad.But I'd go with the Ascent, too.I mean, there's plentyof room in that.Look at those.Look at those.I'd say wild card, FordTransit Connect's passengers,passenger version.Low to the ground.That is a wild card.That's a wild card, all right.Yeah.That was not on my list.No, no.Robert from Texashas a question.\"I'm retiring soon, and I'llbe paying cash for a new SUV.Should I let heavyfactory incentiveson a particular modelsway my decision?I have my eye on a HondaCRV or a Subaru Forester\"--which are both carsthat we recommend--\"but I've seen massive cashincentives on the Ford Edge.\"Cash incentives,what's he talking here?You'll see a dealer advertisea car for, I don't know,$8,000 $9,000 off ofits original price.It sounds very enticingright off the bat.Something I've learned, aquest for a car some years ago,that's if you qualifyfor a bunch of things,military discount,schoolteacher.Good, good credit.Sometimes bad credit.I mean, some ofthem are ridiculous.Right.You have to qualify, and that'sif you qualify for all these.And the average person doesn'tqualify for all of them.You're not actuallygetting that much off.There's a little asteriskafter that $8,000.But there can stillbe money saved.In the case of whathe's looking at,I would never let theincentives sway youtowards a car that'snot that great.Yeah, and sometimesthey put incentiveson cars that are slow.The Ford Edge is actuallya really nice car.It may not be as reliableas the CRV or a Foresteror highly rated by us, butI like the Ford Edge a lot.And you're looking at threegreat cars right there,I think.And to Ryan's point, Idon't think you should everlet cash incentives--they will nevermake a subpar cargreat, but if you're atthat tiebreaker point.And the other point here was theFord Edge is a mid-sized SUV.It's a roomier car than the CRV.But with that, 22 milesper gallon versus 28.Are you going toeat some of thatup in, again, cost ofownership over time?Especially if you're going tobe keeping it for a long time.Yeah.You have to really weigh thatout, actually go and see whatincentives you're going to get.Right.Actually get a number.Right.What do you qualify for?Yeah.Well, I mean, it's incredible,but I was all excited,I'm looking at this like,$8,000 off a Silverado?No.Yeah.And sometimes the dealeractually gets an incentivethat they don't tell you about.Yeah.And you can ask if they haveany incentives on the back end.So yeah, Robert--That's their wiggle roomthat you may not know about.Right.Exactly.Good luck, Robert.Yeah.Yep.We got time for one more.We got time for one more?All right, Augiefrom San Francisco.\"I'm starting a new jobin a couple of weeks,and I'll have a much longercommute than I'm used to.It's 100 milesround trip\"-- ugh--\"and a mix of cityand highway driving.I currently drive a 2014Volkswagen GLI with a manual.Would this car be goodfor my new commute,or should I lookinto something new?I'm looking at the ChevroletVolt, Honda Insight,or wild card Chevy CruzeDiesel or Jaguar XE 20D Diesel.I'm an enthusiast, so drivingdynamics are importantas well as good headlightsand advanced safety tech.\"That's a commute.Yeah, that's--Oof.That's a commute.Yeah.So when you rattled offsome of his choices,one of the thingsI was thinking isthe diesels are goingto excel in highwaydriving, the hybrids--the Volt, theInsight-- are goingto excel in more stop-and-gocity driving and overall fueleconomy.What is the mix?I mean, if it's truly 50-50,it's not going to matter.But is it more highway?So that was one thought I had.The manual, if there'sa lot of traffic,is that something he'sgoing to want to do?You're going to have a Popeyethe Sailor Man arm hereand leg.But I also did saythe Jaguar XE for mewould be out in terms of it'spretty low in reliability.I own one, and I boughtit because it's--the diesel actually--and I bought itbecause there areincredible deals on it.And we get all sortsof cars to drive here,I just needed something.And it was cheaper than--I looked at almost theexact same list of carsas Augie here.Why am I talking?You should be.Well, because I'm tellinghim to buy a Jaguar,and that's not somethingwe'd ever otherwise do.But I get like 41 miles a gallonon mostly highway driving.It does drop city.I haven't had any issues withmine, but a lot of other peoplehave from the brand.Yeah.You can get an insanelygood deal on it.It's been discontinuedfor this year,so you'd have to get a used one.Also, there are plentystill on dealer lots.And probably a good, likeyou say, a good deal.But the same with theVolt. I mean, honestly,if I had a place to plug inand could do it over again,I might consider the Volt.Yep.I would consider that.The Insight probablynot on the list.What do you think?So I was never a hybrid orplug in the wall kind of guy,but the GLI is afun car to drive.So he mentions handlingdynamics, and he has that car.The GLI is a blast.It really comes down to likeJen said, what's the split?Is it really 50/50 highway/city?Maybe he should just start yourcommute with the GLI and see--That's what I was going to say.I would try it for alittle bit and see--See what the traffic's like.Yeah.See if your right armstarts to develop.Because half of the enjoymentfor me would be in a long drivelike that is, do I likedriving this thing?Is this fun?Right.But you also have to think aboutstandard safety features, too.In stop-and-gotraffic, though, you'regoing to have toconsider things thatcan make it easier andsafer, automatic emergencybraking, easier adaptive cruisecontrol with traffic jam assistor sort of stop-and-go.So I'd say if the other thingis that with all of these cars,I would try them out, testdriving them in a traffic jam.Absolutely.Right.In a traffic jam.Because some cars have verydifferent personalitiesdepending upon where you are.Give it a couple months withthe GLI and then see, then see.And then these other cars willbe just that much cheaper.Right, including the Jaguar.I'll sell you mine.It's off lease in a year.So that's about allthe time we've got.Thanks for your questions.You can keep sending themto talkingcars@icloud.com.We talked about a lot of stuff.If you want tolearn more about it,we have articles on almostevery topic and every carthat we mentioned today, socheck out the show notes.And thanks forviewing, listening.We'll talk to you soon.\n"