**A New Type of Sunglasses with Bone-Conduction Technology**

The latest innovation to hit the market is a pair of sunglasses that use bone-conduction technology to allow users to hear audio while wearing them. These sunglasses, called "Zungle Panther," are designed to fit snugly behind your ears and work by transmitting sound waves directly into your ear canal through a small piece of rubber or other material on the back of the temple. The idea is that this technology will keep your ears open, allowing you to hear traffic around you while wearing the sunglasses, which can be especially useful for cyclists or skateboarders.

**How They Work**

According to the manufacturer, the audio transmission works by using a small piece of bone-conducting material on the back of the temple. This material is designed to transmit sound waves directly into your ear canal, allowing you to hear audio without having to wear earbuds or headphones. The temples themselves are designed to fit snugly behind your ears, and they work like a vice grip to keep everything in place.

**First Impressions**

The reviewer tested out the Zungle Panther sunglasses and was impressed with their ability to transmit sound. When they put them on, they could hear audio clearly through the temple piece of bone-conducting material, even when people around them were making noise. However, when they took them off, the reviewer found that people around them could also hear the audio, which raised some questions about whether this technology is actually working as intended.

**A Closer Look at Bone Conduction**

The reviewer also took a closer look at bone conduction technology and discovered that Google Glass used to use a similar method to deliver audio. However, according to the reviewer, it's not entirely clear how effective these methods are, as some people have reported being able to hear the audio when they take off their glasses. The reviewer is skeptical about whether this technology is actually bone conduction at all.

**Adobe Announces End of Life for Flash**

In other news, Adobe has announced that Flash will be retired by 2020, marking the end of an era for a widely used but increasingly outdated technology. According to Adobe, the decision to retire Flash was made in part because it's no longer supported by major browsers and platforms. As a result, content creators will need to find alternative ways to deliver their media.

**The Impact on Content Creators**

While the retirement of Flash may be seen as a positive development for some, others are concerned about how this will affect content creators who rely on the technology to deliver their work. Without access to Flash, many websites and applications will no longer be able to display certain types of media, including animations and interactive elements.

**A New Era for Media Delivery**

As Adobe prepares to retire Flash, it's clear that a new era is dawning for media delivery. With the rise of newer technologies like HTML5, content creators are being encouraged to find alternative ways to deliver their work. Whether this will lead to a better user experience or more technical headaches remains to be seen.

**Conclusion**

The Zungle Panther sunglasses offer an interesting take on bone-conduction technology, but it's not without its drawbacks. While they can transmit sound clearly through the temple piece of bone-conducting material, the reviewer found them to be uncomfortable and didn't recommend them. Meanwhile, Adobe's decision to retire Flash marks a significant shift in the way media is delivered online. As content creators adapt to this new reality, it will be interesting to see how things play out.

**About the Author**

Neil Winters is a technology writer who has been covering the latest developments in the tech world for years. He can be found on Twitter at @thisisneilw and on AppleInsider.com, where he writes about all things tech-related.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to episode 131 of the Apple Insider podcast I'm your host Victor and joining me is the inestimable Neil Hughes Victor you have quite a booming voice today do I need to do that again without quite as much no no no no it just sounded good I liked it all right so here on iPod Insider we talk about all things iPod right we talk about all things iPod Nano we talk about iPod Shuffle we talk about iPod Classic we talk about iPod Touch we talk about all things iPod right well what's funny is um I've been saying for a few months now here on the podcast that I expected an iPod refresh or update this summer um you got one right I I did I was right and what's funny is um you know when you when you work in this business and and you do it if you have you know some sort of Common Sense and and how it works Apple's not that surprising they're actually very predictable very routine very steady in how they do things and the iPod Touch has been on a 2-year upgrade cycle for a while and it hadn't been touched in two years no pun intended there and um yeah so I just had said a few times here on the podcast you know I think that we'll probably get some form of an iPod Touch update this year uh it's not a very big one but um if you are in the market for an iPod Touch um you now get double the storage for less money so now uh starts with 32 gigs for 199 or 128 gigs for 299 but really the real story here is that the iPod Nano and the iPod Shuffle are dead okay so I understood when they said that they weren't going to make any more iPod Classic and they did that because they simply couldn't get the hard drives any longer what's what's the reason for killing the iPad Nano and the iPod Shuffle Beyond they're just not selling enough I think that's the entire reason that's it huh I mean right it's got to be it h that's the only thing I can think of I mean I I really like the iPod Nano I I to be fair I I like it but I don't own it so you know it's not you didn't like it that much did you right but um you know if they made um something uh like that that had was a little more capable in terms of like you know uh doing AirPlay or whatever it would be something that I would consider you know I would have like to see something that form factor in that size be like a Apple TV remote or something I think that would have been cool but I I think it was a really well-designed pretty brilliant device um I had the clipon Nano before that um and I used to just run with that exclusively and I loved it which which clip on Nano the clip on Nano with the screen or the clip on Nano with the screen because the clip one the six gen was not a clipon you're thinking of the shuffle right there was a clip on shuffle but the there's there's one clip on Nano there's one clip on Nano that's the square that's the one that people turned into a watch yeah that's the Sixth Gen one yeah that's the one I'm talking about that's the only clip on Nano yeah yeah that was the sixth generation one the seventh generation was the uh the the rectangular with a screen with a home button yep it looks more like a small iPhone except that all the icons are wrong yeah so I have a couple of the the Sixth Gen Nano which I really liked but I I haven't really used them in a few years either um and just for fun the other day I was trying to revive my IP OD video I have a fifth gen iPod which predates the classic MH and it's the darnest thing it will work as an iPod but when I connect it to the Mac it it uh iTunes says it can't use it I think we've just reached the point where you know we have to stop and ask what are people using these things for what is what is the real reason these things exist and there were two reasons that you had an iPod Shuffle or or an iPod Nano right and they were you were running or otherwise working out mhm right or you wanted something affordable to give your kid right and you know at I I think Shuffle when I got them was was what 130 120 um something like that somewhere around there yeah yeah and the cost of the iPod Touch is $1.99 no no you're think you're saying the Nano was like 120 the shuffle was like 50 bucks yeah the shuffle was 49 the the the the Nano with the screen was yeah like 130 something like that yeah that's what I remember so the the leap between the Nano to a fully functional touch device that can run apps is it's money it's it's crosses that 149 threshold where you have to start thinking about how much you're spending but it's not like buying a phone for your kid right it's a a gateway drug if you will gets people Hooked On the App Store gets them in the ecosystem and then they want to get an iPad or an iPhone or both or Mac or whatever right and the the other Market was as I said Fitness and fitness now lives on Apple watch yep so if you're going running you put music in the Apple watch and you take off and you go and you use your Bluetooth connected headphones so now that the iPod Nano and Shuffle are dead uh I would hope that this year's presumed uh Apple watch refresh um really UPS the internal storage because the the Apple watch has 8 GB of storage but only if you're loading music onto it you can do a maximum of 2 GB and that's just not enough um as somebody who works out solely with my watch and I don't uh bring my phone with me when I go for a run I would much rather have as much usable as I want if I don't want to install any third party apps on my watch and I just want to load it up with you know four or six gigabytes of Music whatever I can fit on there I should be able to do that yeah that and that was the original argument with with larger storage iPods way back in the day you know we used to have iPods that were 10 gig 15 gig and 20 gig and you know then all of a sudden we got a 30 gig iPod or a 40 gig and then an 80 gig and we wanted to be able to load them up and load all of our music libraries on them instead of being able to only carry a few thousand songs at a time for your runs you you could do smart playlists and you could set up different playlists for different days for example and switch playlists out but you don't want to pay that much attention to it I sense you don't want to actually have to manage this am I right right it would be nice to just be able to load more music on there some of this is going to be addressed with watch os4 they're going to allow multiple playlists now which will be great but again you're still limited by that 2 gigabyte number um and it would be nice to have a combination of playlists and some more storage and some more flexibility you know hopefully the third generation you know Series 3 Apple watch will address some of that as well and give us maybe 16 GB of storage maybe a little more I still skeptical about an LTE radio um in the watch just because I don't see that getting a full day of battery life when used on its own without a being paired with a phone but in a perfect world you just have apple music or iTunes Match or uh iTunes in the cloud or whatever they call it now iCloud music library um and just have all of your music accessible that way to stream that would be amazing but um considering the space constraints of the Apple watch um and the power needs of Lte I'm guessing that is not going to be happening at least this year but we'll see who knows and and there are power management tricks that you can do you know you can say if we're in the presence of the phone if we're in connected to the phone either via Bluetooth or or Wi-Fi we're in range with the phone that um we don't have to power on the LT radio we can put it to sleep and not use that that power and when that connection breaks wake it up yeah I mean if you could get you know put it this way if Apple could get a couple hours of battery life of blue blueto audio streaming LTE um GPS running all that kind of stuff would they ship that or would they they ship that yeah like is that enough battery life to say that this is a usable product that that's obviously The Balancing Act they have to ship the product that people are going to want and not be disappointed in and be able to say it's the same battery life as before or it's even better yeah like where's the limit right like half marathon runners if you run a half marathon you should be able to get to Max that bad boy out stream music Bluetooth um GPS uh you know uh run tracking all that kind of stuff you should be able to get at least what you know an average pace for a 12 mile run I I think it's doable but you don't want to reach the end of the run and have no battery exactly you you want to be able to reach the end of the run and still go for the rest of the half day these are some of the problems that Apple has run into with the Apple watch and it's important now that we're looking at the Apple watch as the iPod successor because because when the Apple watch first came out they were very conservative with the apps about battery life in order to conserve it and then they came out and admitted afterwards the improvements they made in watch OS 2 and watch OS 3 where they found that people were not interacting with the watch as much as they thought so then they went to allow some of these apps to use some more processing power because people were getting over a day out of it but when they were testing it on their own they were testing on the assumption that people were going to be opening apps on it because that's what they thought it it was going to work like and they were messaging and doing all this and doing all that and for the most part people just use it as a notification device however um I could see a situation in which once you pack in an LTE radio and can leave your phone at home now you now it changes and now you start interacting with it more and so not only is the LTE radio draining your battery but you're draining it more because you're using it more and then that becomes like a double crunch on the battery so I think apple is kind of in between a rock and a hard place with what they do with the Apple watch but it will be nice to see uh I'm assuming you know some more attention placed on it now that the iPod is for the most part Dead with the exception of the iPod Touch um if you want a portable music player to bring to the gym I think the Apple watch is going to be the way to go going forward it's just you know going to be a little pricey I my question is so yes if you're if you leave your phone at home and you're interacting with the watch you're interacting with it more but you're also not interacting with it the same way that you would with your wa with your phone true right you you are not scrolling all of your Twitter feed or Facebook feed on your watch you are not looking at at videos of cute cats and cheeseburgers on your phone on your watch no and and that's okay um I wouldn't mind losing that kind of stuff I use it in very different ways like for example um I almost never use dictation on my phone but I prefer obviously dictation on my watch just because the nature of text input yeah it's it's felt to me like dictation on the watch has a few too many steps to be able to do it right when I was trying to do it it feels like it's not nearly as immediate as I want it to be I I want to be able to just simply tap one thing and start dictating and there are a couple of intermediate steps yeah we've talked about this a lot where the best experience on the watch is being as handsfree as possible and interacting with it as little as possible you know I would hope that uh as things continue to get better with it it gets to a point where you don't really have to touch the screen or uh you know touch the digital crown or anything like that I think that it's going to take time to get there but if people are looking to you know the now the OD is dead where do we go I think the future of the iPod has always been in the Apple watch they just didn't brand it the iPod Watch I think you're right I mean it's a logical successor to the six generation iPod Nano that we just mentioned actually the screen size is similar the interface is not that dissimilar um they even had watch faces on that with one of the software updates they put out to encourage people to buy watch bands for it it's it's very much exactly what you're saying it's uh the future of the iPod is the watch I think the most impressive thing about that six gen iPod Nano the clipon one was the fact that in its small form factor they still somehow manage to squeeze in an entire 30 pin plug yeah when you look at that the 30 pin plug takes up uh the entire thing basically well the the depth of that thing right the depth of it is almost a centimeter deep right mhm if you're talking about the the internal receptacle with pins on the back of it for its connection and the width of it is is you know 90% of the whole iPod yeah it's it's amazing technical achievement that they managed to fit that giant port on there um in such a small frame uh everything about that device was very impressive they even hid the uh FCC ID information underneath the clip so it had a clean back on it they were technically in compliance with the rules of displaying it on the device even though you couldn't see it well that happens a lot on devices right there there are many devices that are made of black plastic yes right yeah and on those devices made of black plastic what color ink do you think the FCC information is printed on printed on in Black yes and as long as you rotate it under the light just right you can see the FCC information printed there that passes mhm but you're right Apple spends a lot of time focusing on how to get a clean look a clean design and they do a good job so let's pour one out out for the iPods absolutely and long live the iPod Watch love I loved the iPod Classic and I love that clip on Nano I actually had a tiny 30 pin Bluetooth adapter that I would plug into that tiny iPod Nano and it got about 45 minutes of battery life because it was not meant to have a wireless transmitter on it but that was enough for me to get a workout in at the gym you you know when you do that you're not that far off from the the Sony TV watch you remember the Sony Watchman y I remember that right the Sony Watchmen had a had a screen in it black and white screen and you could watch TV it was this giant bulky watch with an antenna that ran up your arm to a to an arm clip up on your above your elbow so that you could tune in TV signals putting the Bluetooth adapter on this thing Neil that's that's um I like wearing I like using uh wireless headphones at the uh at the gym and it worked yeah see when I wore it as a watch I was always afraid of washing my hands because washing your hands was a chance for water to enter that 30 pin port that's true yeah you know and and it's people I think people have a lot of misconceptions about the watch people feel like the first generation watch is not water resistant because Apple does such a good job of talking about how Series 2 is waterproof yeah but people swam with it right and and the the first generation and series 1 are both reasonably waterresistant but people believe that they aren't uh there are tons of people who were talking about how you know there're people who totally misunderstand what we're getting in the watch the people say you know it didn't have glucose monitoring built in therefore they failed people say it doesn't have expandable watch bands that you can you can add to increase battery life or increase other other functions uh people get upset about this stuff and you're missing what it does do you're missing who it's for and what it solves and that these things we did get we did get these functions they just require you know the the continuous glucose monitoring requires the thing that you wear because it has to Auto inject right right it can be it can be the the center of a new platform of connected Health devices in much the way that the iPhone is kind of the center of your world that the Apple watch and VI itself is the center of your health and also happens to be a pretty good iPod absolutely you know and it's interesting because when we talk about iPod and obviously the focus the first focus is music and we talk about watch in the center of a health platform so there was a story about a clear implant where for people with with hearing loss who would would be the the correct market for a clear implant um there is now a coar implant that works with the iPhone does it also work with the uh the watch do you think probably not why not well because I mean unless unless it's a generic Bluetooth colear implant I'm looking here let's see this is the clear nucleus 7 and it lets people stream audio directly to hearing implants from an iPhone and iPad or an iPod Touch uh previously clear users had to wear a special Bluetooth accessory along it's just as integrated Blu yeah it should work with the watch that shouldn't be a problem cuz perfect it's just regular Bluetooth it's not like there's anything special yeah apple the early days of the iPhone it used to be it the Bluetooth was very locked down they obviously opened it up but the watch is still knocked down locked down the watch will connect to health devices and it will connect to audio devices but other than that doesn't really doesn't really connect to much um that may be changing um as the future comes uh certainly um you know as you mentioned the glucose monitor and whatever um but again those fall under the category of Health devices so but I don't know what else you'd want to connect to it anyhow it's either audio or health you're not going to connect a stylist to watch I don't know man not sure how you charge it but you know you could take the the apple pencil and start sketching doodles to send to each other but that's that's one of the things that we found with the watch right no no one really draws these doodles to send to each other right no so there's been definitely a learning process about what the watch is for and who who just as there was a learning process with just as there was a learning process with the iPod you know the first one was firewire Mac only um you know the touch wheel the wheel originally turned on it um the physical yeah I mean you know a lot has changed over the years and apple learned that there were different interfaces that were better for different sizes and different form factors and then obviously ultimately they they came upon the iPhone which was the successor to all of it but it it's funny that you know when people were Imagining the first iPhone they were thinking in terms of iPod and a click wheel and that would be how you'd interact with it um Steve Jobs on stage even made a joke about it with like a rotary phone in place of where the click wheel would go um so that you know the iPod is a great example of Apple kind of Reinventing itself and not sticking to one way of doing it as they broadened the uh the platform um you look at the um the the risks that they took you know the Nano obviously was shrunk down but then once they got into the shuffle it was completely different didn't even have any buttons on it it was all controlled through the well eventually they had just control through the inline remote and they went back on that but the iPod was yes cuz that sucked right and and there was the there was the that was the third gen Shuffle and it was the chewing gum stick with an LED and you controlled it with the switch on the headphones and you had to watch its LED status change and interpret what the LEDs meant and there were about 15 different things that it knew to communicate with a different combination of LEDs and no one understood any of them but you think about like the f Nano too that was a a very I think it was like the third gen Nano or something that was the third and it didn't it didn't last very long and they scrapped it and then they they completely reinvented everything with the the clipon Nano the six gen so you know there was a lot of gen and the fourth gen the fourth gen Nano was kind of proportionally similar to the the seventh gen Nano but the fifth one was the one that got the camera right and so there were people duct taping it to The Bu bumpers of their cars and taking videos with the with iPads strapped to their cars iPods stra to their cars rather yeah I I always admired in the iPod lineup Apple's willingness to kind of experiment and try something new and try something different um with different form factors and different input methods and stuff they weren't always hits um but it was a unique way for them to expand the lineup um and especially when you compare now to you know iPhone and iPad are essentially the same from top to bottom in terms of how they look and and how you interact with them for the most part um the the iPods were uh kind of a eclectic mix of products they they really gave them the freedom to experiment yeah speaking of experimentation we have a leaked part that we wrote about today and this happens from time to time and usually the leaks that we see are are frequently things like outer enclosures you know the the machined aluminum back of an iPhone or an iPad for example but this one is a PCB a printed circuit board and you and I were talking about this this morning H it looks for all the world as what we have is an inductive coil for inductive charging yeah and a lightning Port yeah I I I don't know enough about wireless charging technology to really expand on this in any way my interpretation when I saw it was that perhaps it was the component that that provides the juice and gives the power uh but most people in the comments seem to dismiss it as oh it's too big because it couldn't fit in the phone and they were think it would be a thing that would receive the power well so you need both the the way that inductive charging works is that you have a coil in a charging plate and you have a coil in the device that you're charging and when those two are aligned then you have the most efficient inductive charging right and that's why people put magnets in products to try and help them line up properly you know that's why your coil in your uh your Apple watch charger has a magnet on it so that it centers itself so that you have the most efficient charging when they're not aligned you you don't have efficient charging or sometimes you don't have charging at all so that's what you do here to to get them to line up and you notice you've got that nice big hole in the center of that coil where you could plop a magnet right so do you when you look at this do you see this is something that could be an external charging accessory to charge an iPhone that's kind of what I that's what I thought it was too because it's got this lightning Port supposedly on the side at least it has the same number of pin connectors as a lightning Port um so my thought was perhaps this is an accessory that ships with it much like the um uh the Apple watch dock that Apple sells it has a female lightning port on it you plug in a lightning cable to it and then that provides juice and then you just lay your phone on it right now it's not that this is too wide or too tall to uh to to fit inside an iPhone enclosure it's that it's thick right and it's thick because you you can't use so there's there's a physics problem here right and the physics problem is that wire has resistance and you need fat wire to carry current if you have thin wire and you put a lot of current through it you burn up the wire you know I had I had a flex Cable in uh in a product where there was enough juice rubbing over some pins that it would burn the traces inside the flex cable because there was just too much amp running through it too much current so they have a thick wire here for the coil um but that's on the sending side on the receiving side you know and I'd have to check this but you you also need a coil but it doesn't necessarily have to be the same coil there it just has to be the same size and match up in a line so you can have perhaps a thinner part inside the phone I think this is the the sending side of it that we're looking at that would make sense to me to me um I still don't really see the appeal of something like this because I mean if it's magnetic or whatever and it and it operates much like the U the Apple watch charger does okay now I have a flat thing that lays on my desk I plop my phone down on it and then I pick it up and it gets picked up with it like I'd like something that's more like a fix to the desk or heavy enough that it stays or has some suction to it that it sticks to the desk you know it's it's F first of all there are these micro suction pads that when you put them on a product they they suck to and stick to whatever you as long as that's a smooth surface um you know you've seen that on things like your iPad stand that you use you know the aluminum one that you got the Logitech base I wasn't thinking of that one I was thinking of the other one that you got oh yeah I have one here I use it as a phone and and and um 29 watt Apple watch charger yeah or not app watch the U iPad charger 29 Watt yeah so it's it's entirely possible to put a micr section base on something the other thing is that the magnets don't have to be particularly strong right they don't have to actually hold weight they just need to be there so that when you put something on it you can tell when it's aligned and so with with a charging plate like this it can be a weak magnet and you just pick the phone up and as you pick the phone up the thing stays on the table yeah I mean it could work I I don't see I don't see the point of this because it will take up more space on your desk I mean having a dock is smaller and the the doc prominently displays the phone it's the convenience the convenience of not having to align stuff I guess right you you really I mean when I'm so at night I have a stand on my bed table and it has a lightning Port lightning plug sticking up and I have to in the dark try and align the phone on this stand on this plug and it's not exactly easy and if I'm if I'm doing it in the dark without that stand then I have to fish around and find the port and get it to plug and yeah I can do it but would it be just simpler to Simply put the phone down and have it charge yes absolutely and for a time we had here a uh and we wrote about this on the site a couple years ago a my unu uh battery case that had a charge plate and it had weak magnets in it and it was really convenient and sure the charger took up space on the counter when when were using it but who cared it was really super convenient so I I don't doubt that wireless charging the iPhone is going to be a big hit um I just don't care well you will when you get it I don't think so then it won't matter for you but it'll matter every pretty much I don't know about everybody else especially if you have to pay extra to get the charging dock we'll see how that turns out it's it's not entirely certain yet what Apple will do about that now this so I want to talk a little bit about Casper mattress right Casper mattresses were developed over thousands of hours by a team of In-House engineers and they have this award-winning sleep service that combines memory foam and a springy comfort layer for just the right level of sink and bounce and it's a breathable design and breathable is important because you can have foam that's not breathable and you end up tossing and turning trying to cool off at night and so what they've done here is they have something that's supportive has a little bit of give to it and is comfortable and buying a Casper mattress is super easy you know you just go online they only make one they make it in the variety of sizes but there's just the one 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iPhone 8 is going to launch in October or November I know I'm being incredibly specific without a white bezel option this is the only uh time we've heard this rumor so take it with a very large grain of salt uh but I mean it would make some level of sense um we've seen well you said we were going to go to four colorways in one of the previous right corre uh one new color was a mirror and then it didn't say any of the other ones were um it would be weird for them to get rid of white just because that has been the alternate color since they started doing alternate colors however uh it might make some sense with the edgo edge display and uh wanting the bezel to look as small as you can you know white around the edges might make the what remaining bezel there is stand out more um maybe it makes some sense in some way I don't know uh it's really hard to say at this point I I I think that uh you know wait and see I wouldn't get out your pitchforks yet well they certainly know how much they're selling of each different color way right they know that they're selling rose gold they know that they're selling jet black and M but all of those have white fronts and they do but people aren't specifically getting the silver and white one which was the traditional one we'd call White right maybe not I I don't know when I when I just anecdotally look around and not that my anecdote evidence is much of actual evidence right it's you know anecdotes are not data but I see a ton of rose gold and a ton of of black both Jet and matte and I don't see a whole lot in the way of silver yeah maybe that's a reason for it I don't know it would be interesting to see you know if they continue to offer for example a gold phone how that works with an all glass back so you're going to have gold painted glass and then at what point because you know if you don't have like metal around the edges I guess uh at what point does it fold into either a white or are they going to bring gold up to the edges around the screen like what is it going to be because the reason they do that with with the current iPhone design is it would be weird to have gold around the the bezel on the front of the screen while you're looking at it just it wouldn't look very good so they don't do that how do they solve that with this is it going to have white around the front I don't know well and that was one of the things that that people talked about with the product red iPhone yeah right you remember this what color is on the front of the produ red iPhone what color should it a lot of people felt it should be black yes and and they're not wrong you know the the red and black is a classic combination it looks really good and it would have echoed back to the U2 iPod yeah you know there's there's a lot of good in that so it's entirely possible that we see the uh the white frame the white front go away which is is interesting in part just because that was the one that was the most difficult for them to create in the first place mhm you know was it was uh they announced the iPhone 4 with the white front and then weren't able to deliver it for almost a year you have a robot vacuum cleaner in your house I have a robot vacuum cleaner in my house too I have one in your house too and that's precisely why we're talking about this story because one of the things that happens is that Roomba was talking about or iroot roomba's parent was talking about being able to map users homes and then sell those house maps to Smart Home vendors as both another Revenue source and potentially providing some kind of service around it right you know being able to sell that to Smart Home vendors who could then sell you you know you really probably ought to have like a light bulb or a Smart Oven monitor or Internet connected smoke alarms right that sort of thing all based off of the house map generated by the robot now clearly I I don't have a robot vacuum cleaner in your house but if I did I could see the map of your apartment so Apple in in a move that surprises well just about no one has confirmed that they are not going to upload share or sell any of your home data that will be uh at all generated or used or whatever with homepod yeah this was a reader that uh reached out to Apple and got an official response for them and not particularly surprising likely to most listeners of this podcast just because um you know you guys are the most hardcore of the most hardcore that really know how the company operates but uh we decided to run this story today because a lot of our readers are more casual Apple Fans that don't necessarily understand these things and given the traction that this story got on Reddit and and comments and stuff like that um and shares on Facebook it clearly was something that resonated with people but you know Apple's business model is not to do that kind of thing but what what I found very interesting about it was uh the reveal that all the analysis of the room is going to be done directly on the device powered by the A8 chip and it's going to be stored there will not be uploaded to Apple so some people in the comments were saying oh how much could you really be able to tell about a room through just audio uh well you could tell quite a bit about just room through audio yeah that's kind of how sonar works so uh you could tell how large the room is um you know you may not be able to tell what brand of uh of television set they have or something but you could certainly tell where objects are are in the room uh what the general shape of the room is um stuff that would block sound or whatever uh I mean that's just how sound works so well what because you've got speakers and the microphone phone it's not just the distance and time delay for for things telling you how big the room is it's also um what Reflections are coming back it's also what frequency response sounds like in the room so you should you requal the audio to accommodate the way that different frequencies are absorbed or reflected in the room th this is stuff that has been done in some form in the past but has only been available to Consumers at super high expensive price levels this is this is the kind of thing that audio file nerds geek out on because it's it's stuff that was only available if you bought speakers that cost $20,000 and now they're available for the the small princely sum of 300 sum and there have been more basic versions of this um like if you get a surround sound system they'll tell you to put a microphone in the center of the room and then it'll measure the distance from all that it's not exactly the same but yeah and and I have that all both in the home stereo and in the car stereo yeah I mean that's not anything that new time will tell how advanced apples is it could be some uh you know snake oil sales going on here too uh and just making it sound more fancy is cuz how much can you really put into a $350 device but regardless the reason that this is relevant to people that are kind of dismissing it is because well I I think hold on hold on stop stop everything let me let's let's clarify the systems for the home stereos receivers and the Audio car receivers that measure the room do it by playing white noise through each different individual speaker and then measuring that back my understanding is that homepod does not go through a setup rigma Ro playing white noise and that's part of what's unique here is that it just plays the audio and it's listening to the audio comeback well the problem is and matching that the problem is this thing is not actually shipping so so we can say what it's supposed to do but until we get it in our hands which by the way is not for five more months um let's yeah you're buying me one right no I I mean you know it'll probably be pretty cool knowing Apple but still you know we try to be objective about this stuff you take everything with a grain of salt whatever apple is going to ship we'll we'll review it based on that but this is what they claim it's going to do in practice um who knows we'll see so I Robot wants to spy on you and Report what your home looks like inside Apple will IR robot sees it as a potential Revenue stream for customers that opt in to make it clear it's not like they're just by default taking this information but uh while some people like us may pay attention what we're agreeing to a lot of people don't and wouldn't realize and if they did know what was going on they probably wouldn't be happy about it well and it's important to understand is you know why does your vacuum cleaner need to map your house in the first place and it's it's a useful or semi-useful feature if we're talking just about vacuuming you know when when my vacuum cleaner drives around the house and finishes and returns to its base to charge I get a map showing where it's been so I know how much of the place actually got vacuumed was there some obstacle in the way that prevented it from getting 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Insider you get an additional $25 credit on top of that this is a story that was near to me this is one that I was interested in so there's a patent that was published on Thursday that shows a method of overlaying interactive digital information onto real world environments displayed on a portable device screen now this is basically AR kit right this is augmented reality so far and the the the patent has covers a method for representing points of interest in a view of a real environment so if you're holding your phone up around then you can see pois which is cool it's useful landmarks buildings other popular objects uh that sort of thing and and this has been done before in a couple of ways but this patent takes the idea Beyond just two- dimensional maps and adds augmented reality into the mix and is is a little bit different in how it's doing it what really resonated with this patent for me what made me interested is that at the very end of it there's a detail about a head mounted display you know it's not just about the doing this on the phone screen it's also being able to interact with point of Interest overlays with a head Mount of display and being able to reach out in front of your face to to manipulate it so there's the display there's augmented reality and there's hand tracking involved which is seriously cool now we know that that this is um part of of Ip that's being reassigned from Mato which was purchased in 201 5 but Apple's made a number of purchases in this kind of space and I think it was one of the other companies that they've purchased that had the hand tracking yeah Prime sense at it uh Prime sense and also SMI I believe so this is this is sort of what it looks like when all of these different things begin to coales right they've purchased several different companies in the space they purchased some that do some of the same kinds of things albe it different ways and we're sort of watching it in slow motion come together yeah I I've said all along I I see the iPhone as kind of the center of the platform for AR and VR uh this continues along those lines I don't see apple making an actual head mounted display but I could see them making a head mounted display that connects to your iPhone and uses its processing power and capabilities and I I sort of see that coming after we've had AR kit for about a year you know the problem that has always been where's the content and so this is Apple's method of generating the content having developers get on board and generate the content and then once the content's in place then we get the headmount of display and it's it's entirely possible Right we've got the watch we got the phone and the phone is the center of the world or has been the center of the world for a long time but I I think that what happens is just as we talked at the beginning about the Apple watch getting an LTE radio and the watch becoming more independent that after you've established here's what the head mounted display looks like here's how it works with the phone for a couple Generations that you can then divorce it from the phone just the same I just don't see display I I think they do I just think that it's a ways off yeah it it might be a long ways off in a very different world than we're in now but I still see it as like a a niche product and something that they want to cater to but not something that they would be interested in selling in limited quantities I give it a couple of years because right now augmented reality is a niche thing but we're going to reach a point where many apps that you interact with daily are augmented reality applications and it becomes second nature and once it becomes second nature then having a new display doesn't seem out of place I could see that yeah I I just don't see it as a market that apple is going to be in a rush to get into as I say all it takes time yeah this is happening over this is something that's probably GNA come together over a longer timeline yeah it's too geeky and you know stuff like uh you know augmented reality contact lenses it's like we we don't have the technology to make that kind of stuff so it's just science fiction today yet right at one point we might get there but again you know I don't wear glasses I don't wear contacts do I really want to start wearing glasses just to get those features and many people said that they didn't wear a watch but now you all you know why would I care ever wear a watch I've got a phone right right and yet tons of people are now wearing watches that did not wear watches before that's true yeah so it's it's certainly within the realm of possibility yeah you'll give me that absolutely I don't deny that okay I'll take it iOS 11 we published a story about the coolest AR kit demos that we've seen so far and I want to talk about them so yeah here we go um you know I just said that there are going to be applications that are casual use that are things that you can do every day with without thinking about it one of the ones that I really liked was a one a demo made by a developer named smart picture and this is room measurement application I think we mentioned this a couple weeks ago where you hold the phone up and tap on it to set end points as Walls Start and stop and it traces and tells you the dimension of each wall and then calculates the area y of the room how useful is that quite useful I think it's I think it's incredibly useful um you know and there been applications that have tried to do that in the past without AR kit but this demo looks so simple and so clean I I love it it really is great you know you're trying to figure out how big your room is and whether or not something will fit this is perfect um we know that Ikea for example Ikea is huge into doing things in virtual reality Ikea has for years their whole catalog their catalog is a lie every part of their catalog is a computer generated image there are no photographs in their catalog and so I fully expect them to adopt this kind of thing so that you can see and place furniture and in fact we have a demo from Asher vmer who shows a a catalog of furniture that he created in AR kit and you Orient which you you place it in a room and Orient which direction it's going to go and it literally drops in from the top of the screen M and then you can resize it and rescale it and arrange a room and see what it's like now this is a big deal a lot of people say why is this matter what what what is this for and what you you realize is that there are people who have Vision people who are able to visualize something right and there are people who cannot visualize things and for all the people who have difficulty visualizing what something looks like if the color changes yeah what something looks like if we rearrange the furniture without actually moving furniture around people who who need to actually see it to understand This Is The Answer yep what's that carpet going to look like on the floor what's that paint color going to look like if I paint the wall you know run down the list precisely what what happens if we paint the outside of the house white instead of gray what happens if we change the door from Blue to red and you know there are people who say well it sounds like a nice idea in theory but I can't picture it now you can I think that makes a huge difference and I think that's going to have uh knock on effects not just for the homeowner the apartment dweller but also for for Architects and interior designers yeah I agree right it's it's big um you know there there are tons of fun demos as well right there's the blob that works in conjunction with Vive and AR kit and so you you see someone painting and having a blob an animated blob paint along with you that's kind of cool um there was a demo of someone dropping Mickey Mouse into a scene in front of the d23 Expo which is the the Disney Fan event and so now we can talk about now is is dropping Mickey Mouse into a scene in front of d23 a big deal well on its face probably not but when you talk about how you enable people to do this easily right before you would have had to coded your own virtual environment and your own apis and the whole thing from scratch being able to Simply do it fast and simple and drop them into to U you know this pre-existing environment makes it a big deal for you know advertising for promotion for events in back in 1999 what a big deal it was to have an entirely digital character on the screen in Star Wars The Phantom Menace jarar Binks was for all the horribleness that is remember he's remembered for the character and for how poor the special effects were the problem that was that was a revolutionary thing at the time to have a character on the screen throughout the movie who was 100% digital from head to toe walking around interacting with other people and so now you think about all the effort and all the time and all the money that was spent on that back then to do that now you're going to be able to do it on your phone for basically nothing yes now the the thing that I would say about that movie is that this is the sort of thing that happens when someone gets a new tool right that when you first get a new tool in your toolbox you get a shiny new toy you want to use it everywhere and so George Lucas finally had this shiny new toy in his toolbox and so he used it literally everywhere and we got all kinds of new aliens and creatures and U new things in the The Cantina kind of thing and also this full motion character that could work for the whole movie and the same happened with Yoda as well yeah it it it took us a little while before we got he went nuts he used it everywhere it took it's not it wasn't refined it took us a little while before we got to Andy circus's golum and then you know plant of the Apes um and and where we're at now in terms of digital characters on screen um which are obviously way more impressive than the first one but credit to where it's due uh you know The Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks was a groundbreaking achievement in terms of never really having been done at that scale before but it's funny to think that now starting this fall with iOS 11 you could basically make a home movie and do that with your phone in your pocket well and think of Toy Story right the the first Toy Story uh the surfaces of everything look very very um they they're a matte surface right they don't have any gloss to them they frequently don't have any life to them in in that kind of reflecting light kind of way uh they tend to absorb the light it looks like and if you look at Toy Story 3 Rex the plastic dinosaur character totally different completely changed in terms of texture and everything the these things all get better and I I I'm with you you could totally make a movie using AR kit and that's something that is going to happen and it's going to happen so when you do AR kit you aren't just using AR kit you're also using things like Unity or unreal and unity has a whole section in their documentation on using it to make Cinema using Unity to make movies and so I foresee a combination between using Unity to make movies which is something that they support and that they have tools for and AR kit and being able to to turn the surface in front of you into the stage into the the scene for viewing um you know and this goes back to so all the all the ideas right all the technological developments from the past 100 years come out of fiction this is this is something that I can make as a as a theory saying you know we've had how much technology come out of Star Trek right the idea of people walking around with tablets came out of Star Trek the idea of people walking around with encyclopedias in in their hands came out of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy um the idea for the first head-mounted display goggles that took you to a different reality um immersed you in a different reality came from a book written in the 1930s there's a ton of of stuff the idea of communicators which look a lot like flip phones or cell phones right or wireless communication like the badges on St all of this stuff comes now if you're if you're elron hubber it comes suppressed memories of a past life so well I can't even begin to get into that but you know the and and and sort of this weird interaction right the idea that quick time could play multiple audio streams at once came from a Star Trek episode where the character data and the next generation was playing multiple streams of audio all at the same time and the guys at Apple went and said yeah we could do that actually and they did after having seen that episode there's a ton of of interplay between fiction and reality like this and I think back to the science fiction prediction that we would have 3D television well pretty soon we won't have 3D television again and that we would have Holograms projected onto surfaces so that we had 3D television and it the the 3D TVs of a couple of years ago were not really good 3D TVs no the idea of using arkit as 3D TV is huge and that delivers for me on the promise of what we were talking about as 3D TV but it's it's not just about entertainment you know uh urban planning I mentioned architecture a little bit ago but urban planning if you took Maps you could take buildings and you could plan roads and you could lay it out and virtually experience what you've laid out that's a huge deal urban planning is kind of a hard thing you know you you have different layers right whether you've got buildings roads um an underground subway system you have a lot to work with there and being able to develop as a part of a panorama and then simulate and it's huge it redefines everything uh you know we're seeing turn-based gaming right tabletop games well directive games has a game called the machines which they've already set up and are running on AR kit powered by Unreal Engine 4 it's impressive and this is all early days this is stuff that uh has been done you know just with demo software without any consumers to buy it yet so it's only going to get better you uh did you see the AHA yeah that was great I like that a lot yeah so um there was the band aha from the'80s about 1984 I want to say it was one of the the top 100 songs on MTV and Take On Me was this video that was the interplay between the real world and a handdrawn world it was an animated V music video and a Chicago Studio has created that kind of Animation but using AR kit is able to render it in real time so the thing that we saw as as a fictional work in a music video in 1984 is now you take that and you combine that with the screen recording capabilities built into iOS 11 and now you can literally just hold the camera up shoot something like that export it put it on YouTube and you've just made the AHA video which probably took millions of dollars to make and just done it with your $400 iPhone or whatever exactly how many months to animate did that thing take probably many and it's done yeah it's it's it's going to be it's going to be exciting you know uh one of my favorite apps uh you know early days of augmented reality it's been around for many years but it's a popular app is um JJ Abrams Action Movie app it's a great app you like putting the lens flare on the yeah like and you can have it like look like you know a building's falling down on somebody or whatever and it's it's cheesy and it's not like the way it's going to be with arkit but think about an action movie app but with arkit it's going to be really cool you know what we need is we need a way to just as there's inter audio communication intera audio communication where you can share audio and Link it from one application to the next we need to have ways to share augmented reality between applications yeah mix them or whatever and oh well mix them or or be able to take things done with one augmented reality app and then share them to another one and impose more stuff to it so that I can shoot something in the AHA method and then impose action stuff on top of it from the other one um and and also for live video right I should be able to hold a FaceTime call with augmented reality I should be able to look like a did that in in I to to my caller mhm years ago yes that was all done using oh I'm blanking on the name um wasn't what it was it wasn't chor Graphics it was uh there's a tool that used to ship with the the X with X tools with the the developer set X code that basically allowed you to program by wiring up different inputs and outputs and so all of those plugins uh quartz composer quartz composer is what I'm thinking of um all of those kinds of plugins for IAT years ago were done with quartz composer and it would be super cool to to be able to do the same kind of thing with augmented reality and AR kit into FaceTime I wonder if they could do something with when when you're recording the video and saving it it would remember positional and distance data in the file itself so say record a video and then load it into an AR app that could then apply uh AR after the fact so what you're talking about with combining you know one AR app and another and allowing them to kind of plug in into one another what if the necessary data to do what you want was already in the the video file itself right cuz they're already rendering all that in real time so saving it can't be that difficult yeah and one of the interesting things is remember lro yeah so lro was all about measuring the distance and being able to refocus after the fact mhm and they were convinced that they were going to be the next big thing in film making right they cut off their consumer entity and started trying to make cameras for movies yeah and it's a cool idea but if you have positional data if you have distance data can you do something like that with your iPhone if you have two lenses yeah okay so this gets interesting right what if instead of have you know some people a few people filmmakers having a lro camera basically if everyone has one then everyone has the ability to make movies and things like this not just a lro camera but a lro camera connected to a very powerful computer in your pocket yes I like this future mhm it's exciting we have a series of stories that we're going to cover here and they're they're interesting so we've been talking a little bit about and and there's been a discussion going on in the United States about Manufacturing in the US and you know there's it's it's interesting because every every uh you know every every part of political life talks about the economy and every part of political life talks about the job market and things like that so you know jobs and job growth and job numbers so foxcon is is going to be bringing a factory or a trio of factories to the US no just one just one see that's the thing is that we had a number of Stories on this there was a mix yeah well that fake news it started here oh dear so it starts with um United States president Trump said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that Tim Cook allegedly promised him three big plants and the quote is three big plants big big big all right well there's a number of problems with that story and there's a reason that we report on it skeptically regardless of how you feel about Donald Trump good or bad whatever it is these are just the facts Apple has one manufacturing plant in the entire world it's not in the United States that's fine they have some Partners elsewhere they've assembled stuff they've even assembled some Max at some points in the United States uh including at factories they used to have there that's fine too uh and they used to have uh Manufacturing in California right uh now they have some manufacturing done in Ireland but everything else is outsourced um so if Apple were to get into the manufacturing business which they have shown no indication that they would like to do but however if they wanted to get into the manufacturing business and open up three plants in the United States that would be very big news and and Donald Trump would have very much to be excited about um to have that sort of thing happen under his watch uh having said that uh we reported Ed that initial story with some skepticism because um Donald Trump tends to play a little Loosely with the facts and how he presents things and the truth of it is Apple has always for the P past you know 30 years or whatever partnered with uh manufacturing partners that handle the bulk of their production for them so Fox they contract out manufacturing to Partners that manufacture for them right so when we initially covered this story We presented it from a perspective of Donald Trump said apple is going to open three factories in the United States that's probably not going to happen what's probably going to happen is that uh Apple is going to one of their Partners maybe is going to produce some Apple products in the United States well what ended up happening was even less than that what ended up happening was there was a big announcement with u a bunch of Republicans uh touting um on Wednesday that foxcon um was is planning to by 2020 open a plant to produce uh displays for large format TVs for Sharp uh in Wisconsin and they hope to they say it's going to have about 3,000 jobs there and they hope that they can eventually have you know uh 12,000 jobs as a result of you know ancillary things associated with the with the factory or whatever uh this Factory has nothing to do with apple there's absolutely no indication that apple is going to have anything manufactured there or use any parts from this place uh and there's no apple Manufacturing in America despite what Donald Trump said having said all of that it's it's possible that maybe Apple has an announcement waiting until later this year or next year or something who knows maybe Tim Cook told Donald Trump that they really are going to build three factors here that may all end up happening but considering everything that played out this week and the way it went down I think that um there was a way to Hype it to make it a little more exciting and I think that saying apple is a little more exciting than foxcon um certainly we are guilty of it and news organizations are guilty of it uh you look at all the stories that came out it says Apple partner foxcon building fact even though they have because getting apple and a headline gets people interested right and and that's not meant to be deceptive or to be dishonest with people it's to try to get them to be interested in a story they would otherwise ignore you got to think about it from Joe Publix's perspective they don't know what foxcon is they don't care they read that foxcon is going to build a factory in Wisconson and they go why do I care but if you read that the person or the company that builds iPhones is going to make a factory in Wisconsin even though they're not going to make iPhones there that's still pretty exciting and so that's why it's presented that way I think that what happened in this case was Donald Trump took it a step further and just said Apple's going to do it which is factually inaccurate um and is not what we have found thus far now if that ends up changing and apple does build three factories in the United States and starts making Goods here I will happily eat my words because I think that's a very good thing for the United States economy well and as you say it's it's happened before right there were the uh the trash can Power Max yes for example were the most recent product assembled in the US uh I think they built some it wasn't uh they weren't building them themselves but it was partnered with um uh somebody has a manufacturing assembly line in the US and some iMacs were being built here um recent iMacs yeah like as of like five years ago I think it was or something okay so the the last I new IMAX that were manufactured in the US were the uh original IMAX manufactured in California but the the trash can Power Max were made in trash uh Mac Pros rather sorry Mac on the brain um were made in Texas right yeah so it's it's entirely possible but it's it's not exactly likely well not something you can do at scale now having said that could Apple build maybe homepods in the United States or could they build iPod Touches or well probably something larger would make more sense so like a a Mac like a maybe even like a a Mac Mini or something you know low volume uh easier for assembly for uh workers that don't have the skills without an assembly line machines to do it yeah that that's possible but they're not going to be making iPhones in the United States uh for a whole host of reasons uh wages uh skill of workers uh availability of resources uh location of Parts there's there's no positive incentive requiring it right Apple's Partners produce iPhones in Brazil and in India and that's in response to local conditions that require it but there's there's no such requirement that says that things have to be made in the US and so they aren't and they making limited production of those phones too it's more of a nominal gesture than than actually when they're cranking out a bunch of iPhone 7 when they're cranking out a bunch of iPhone 7 s's this fall it's not going to be in Brazil it's going to be a foxcon plant in China absolutely correct no they the the Brazilian plant and the Indian production exist for local compliance matters yep they they exist to satisfy that requirement yep but Foxon it should be said foxcon is a very very large company yes foxcon has many many different project managers and many many many different production lines and many customers they produce for Microsoft they produce for Dell they produce for HP they produce for uh Google sharp uh run down the list if you have you know an assembled electronic device in your house it probably came from a foxcon plant or pegatron or pegatron but mostly foxcon yeah yeah so that was that story thank you for helping work through it with me um you know and it's it's not a small thing we we we're talking about it like as a small thing because it's not Apple but this is a 20,000 ft facility 3,000 jobs and potentially 10 billion over the next 3 years spent on it yeah it's it's not something that we should minimize it's just that that uh it's not all it was cracked up to be at the initial story yeah all right tell me about the zungle panther which I'm I'm just going to repeat that for for the benefit of everyone there is a product whose name is zungle Panther I'm going to get through this very quick get on to a big story that we missed and then we can wrap it uh the zungle panther are a pair of bone conducting Bluetooth speaker sunglasses uh they look like regular sunglasses they're a little chunky but you put them on your head you don't notice and the idea is that they keep your ears open so that if you're you know riding a bike or skateboarding or whatever you can hear traffic around you you can hear people you're less likely get into an accident the audio going into your head is actually through a piece of supposedly bone conducting uh rubber or whatever that is on the back of the stem for lack of a better word Temple that's called a temple well it runs behind your ear the the whatever it is part of the GL the part of the eyeglasses is called the temple okay well it runs behind your ear and that's confusing because you have a temple on your head so anyhow um didn't say terms had to make sense just they have terms so the pieces on the back of the temple um stick to your head and very snugly and work to allow you to hear audio I I tested them out today um we have a first look up on the site they cost 150 bucks they squeeze your head like a vice grip uh you can actually hear the audio when you take them off and people around you can hear the audio um it's I mean does it keep your ears open so you can hear noise around you yes um do they look like regular sunglasses yes other than that would I recommend this product not really I mean I guess if you want to have some audio playing kind of around you and sort of you know in a tiny way and to be able to hear cars while you're going around uh then that might have some appeal for some people but for the ma vast majority of consumers don't bother it squeezes your head uh they don't fit very well like I have a huge Noggin and um I found them to be very uncomfortable and they gave me a headache so I don't think I can recommend that product but I I I want to point out that uh Google Glass used to do bone conduction for its audio or rather I should say it still does bone probably a much better version of it uh probably and there they considered fit to be very important so it was actually comfortable it still a little bit tinny with these people are saying it's not actually bone conduction it's little speakers in there I don't even know but you can hear them when you take them off like it's audible which is yeah I don't remember being able to hear Google Glass yeah I I don't think that's how bone conduction is supposed to work so it's questionable whether it's actually bone conduction but there you go the story but with a name like zungle Panther how can you refuse the story I wanted to at least acknowledge before we sign off because we didn't talk about it Adobe announced that flash is dead uh end of life plans for Adobe Flash they're going to stop distribution of it by 2020 helping um content partners and creators phase it out uh we still have a lot of flash on the the internet uh Apple has done their part uh in the years since Steve Jobs penned his very famous 2010 thoughts on flash memo talking about how it was unfit for the modern era um it'll be dead in in three more years we're just uh kind of well it's you know we we've effectively killed it anyway right it's been out of Max for ages try to in terms of not being distributed in Safari and things like that it's been Al of Chrome for about a year try to go to your cable provider's website and watch some video try to go to a lot of major websites and watch some video and see how well it goes right but here's the thing is that it's not in Chrome it's not in um Safari and it's not available as a plugin for whatever the heck Microsoft's calling their browser now Edge right so being able to watch that media is is becoming harder and harder every day and as it becomes more and more difficult to watch that media content providers are going to stop using that to provide media right cuz no one will be able to see it yeah so whether or not it's by policy by Adobe retiring it or or by just the fact that it doesn't work anymore um it's going away Adobe saying it's going away just helps speed that up yep it's dead it's over it's it's it's gone it's going to take another three years but hopefully we don't see any daisies goodbye to Adobe Flash Steve Jobs Steve Jobs helped push it over the edge and thank you for that Steve oh you know what we should do the typical closer Neil where can people find you on the internet uh you can read my musings at appleinsider.com and you can follow me on Twitter at thisis Neil NE and you can find me ATV marks on Twitter we are going to be back next week I want to talk carplay when we do next week and we will see you then thank you for listeningyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to episode 131 of the Apple Insider podcast I'm your host Victor and joining me is the inestimable Neil Hughes Victor you have quite a booming voice today do I need to do that again without quite as much no no no no it just sounded good I liked it all right so here on iPod Insider we talk about all things iPod right we talk about all things iPod Nano we talk about iPod Shuffle we talk about iPod Classic we talk about iPod Touch we talk about all things iPod right well what's funny is um I've been saying for a few months now here on the podcast that I expected an iPod refresh or update this summer um you got one right I I did I was right and what's funny is um you know when you when you work in this business and and you do it if you have you know some sort of Common Sense and and how it works Apple's not that surprising they're actually very predictable very routine very steady in how they do things and the iPod Touch has been on a 2-year upgrade cycle for a while and it hadn't been touched in two years no pun intended there and um yeah so I just had said a few times here on the podcast you know I think that we'll probably get some form of an iPod Touch update this year uh it's not a very big one but um if you are in the market for an iPod Touch um you now get double the storage for less money so now uh starts with 32 gigs for 199 or 128 gigs for 299 but really the real story here is that the iPod Nano and the iPod Shuffle are dead okay so I understood when they said that they weren't going to make any more iPod Classic and they did that because they simply couldn't get the hard drives any longer what's what's the reason for killing the iPad Nano and the iPod Shuffle Beyond they're just not selling enough I think that's the entire reason that's it huh I mean right it's got to be it h that's the only thing I can think of I mean I I really like the iPod Nano I I to be fair I I like it but I don't own it so you know it's not you didn't like it that much did you right but um you know if they made um something uh like that that had was a little more capable in terms of like you know uh doing AirPlay or whatever it would be something that I would consider you know I would have like to see something that form factor in that size be like a Apple TV remote or something I think that would have been cool but I I think it was a really well-designed pretty brilliant device um I had the clipon Nano before that um and I used to just run with that exclusively and I loved it which which clip on Nano the clip on Nano with the screen or the clip on Nano with the screen because the clip one the six gen was not a clipon you're thinking of the shuffle right there was a clip on shuffle but the there's there's one clip on Nano there's one clip on Nano that's the square that's the one that people turned into a watch yeah that's the Sixth Gen one yeah that's the one I'm talking about that's the only clip on Nano yeah yeah that was the sixth generation one the seventh generation was the uh the the rectangular with a screen with a home button yep it looks more like a small iPhone except that all the icons are wrong yeah so I have a couple of the the Sixth Gen Nano which I really liked but I I haven't really used them in a few years either um and just for fun the other day I was trying to revive my IP OD video I have a fifth gen iPod which predates the classic MH and it's the darnest thing it will work as an iPod but when I connect it to the Mac it it uh iTunes says it can't use it I think we've just reached the point where you know we have to stop and ask what are people using these things for what is what is the real reason these things exist and there were two reasons that you had an iPod Shuffle or or an iPod Nano right and they were you were running or otherwise working out mhm right or you wanted something affordable to give your kid right and you know at I I think Shuffle when I got them was was what 130 120 um something like that somewhere around there yeah yeah and the cost of the iPod Touch is $1.99 no no you're think you're saying the Nano was like 120 the shuffle was like 50 bucks yeah the shuffle was 49 the the the the Nano with the screen was yeah like 130 something like that yeah that's what I remember so the the leap between the Nano to a fully functional touch device that can run apps is it's money it's it's crosses that 149 threshold where you have to start thinking about how much you're spending but it's not like buying a phone for your kid right it's a a gateway drug if you will gets people Hooked On the App Store gets them in the ecosystem and then they want to get an iPad or an iPhone or both or Mac or whatever right and the the other Market was as I said Fitness and fitness now lives on Apple watch yep so if you're going running you put music in the Apple watch and you take off and you go and you use your Bluetooth connected headphones so now that the iPod Nano and Shuffle are dead uh I would hope that this year's presumed uh Apple watch refresh um really UPS the internal storage because the the Apple watch has 8 GB of storage but only if you're loading music onto it you can do a maximum of 2 GB and that's just not enough um as somebody who works out solely with my watch and I don't uh bring my phone with me when I go for a run I would much rather have as much usable as I want if I don't want to install any third party apps on my watch and I just want to load it up with you know four or six gigabytes of Music whatever I can fit on there I should be able to do that yeah that and that was the original argument with with larger storage iPods way back in the day you know we used to have iPods that were 10 gig 15 gig and 20 gig and you know then all of a sudden we got a 30 gig iPod or a 40 gig and then an 80 gig and we wanted to be able to load them up and load all of our music libraries on them instead of being able to only carry a few thousand songs at a time for your runs you you could do smart playlists and you could set up different playlists for different days for example and switch playlists out but you don't want to pay that much attention to it I sense you don't want to actually have to manage this am I right right it would be nice to just be able to load more music on there some of this is going to be addressed with watch os4 they're going to allow multiple playlists now which will be great but again you're still limited by that 2 gigabyte number um and it would be nice to have a combination of playlists and some more storage and some more flexibility you know hopefully the third generation you know Series 3 Apple watch will address some of that as well and give us maybe 16 GB of storage maybe a little more I still skeptical about an LTE radio um in the watch just because I don't see that getting a full day of battery life when used on its own without a being paired with a phone but in a perfect world you just have apple music or iTunes Match or uh iTunes in the cloud or whatever they call it now iCloud music library um and just have all of your music accessible that way to stream that would be amazing but um considering the space constraints of the Apple watch um and the power needs of Lte I'm guessing that is not going to be happening at least this year but we'll see who knows and and there are power management tricks that you can do you know you can say if we're in the presence of the phone if we're in connected to the phone either via Bluetooth or or Wi-Fi we're in range with the phone that um we don't have to power on the LT radio we can put it to sleep and not use that that power and when that connection breaks wake it up yeah I mean if you could get you know put it this way if Apple could get a couple hours of battery life of blue blueto audio streaming LTE um GPS running all that kind of stuff would they ship that or would they they ship that yeah like is that enough battery life to say that this is a usable product that that's obviously The Balancing Act they have to ship the product that people are going to want and not be disappointed in and be able to say it's the same battery life as before or it's even better yeah like where's the limit right like half marathon runners if you run a half marathon you should be able to get to Max that bad boy out stream music Bluetooth um GPS uh you know uh run tracking all that kind of stuff you should be able to get at least what you know an average pace for a 12 mile run I I think it's doable but you don't want to reach the end of the run and have no battery exactly you you want to be able to reach the end of the run and still go for the rest of the half day these are some of the problems that Apple has run into with the Apple watch and it's important now that we're looking at the Apple watch as the iPod successor because because when the Apple watch first came out they were very conservative with the apps about battery life in order to conserve it and then they came out and admitted afterwards the improvements they made in watch OS 2 and watch OS 3 where they found that people were not interacting with the watch as much as they thought so then they went to allow some of these apps to use some more processing power because people were getting over a day out of it but when they were testing it on their own they were testing on the assumption that people were going to be opening apps on it because that's what they thought it it was going to work like and they were messaging and doing all this and doing all that and for the most part people just use it as a notification device however um I could see a situation in which once you pack in an LTE radio and can leave your phone at home now you now it changes and now you start interacting with it more and so not only is the LTE radio draining your battery but you're draining it more because you're using it more and then that becomes like a double crunch on the battery so I think apple is kind of in between a rock and a hard place with what they do with the Apple watch but it will be nice to see uh I'm assuming you know some more attention placed on it now that the iPod is for the most part Dead with the exception of the iPod Touch um if you want a portable music player to bring to the gym I think the Apple watch is going to be the way to go going forward it's just you know going to be a little pricey I my question is so yes if you're if you leave your phone at home and you're interacting with the watch you're interacting with it more but you're also not interacting with it the same way that you would with your wa with your phone true right you you are not scrolling all of your Twitter feed or Facebook feed on your watch you are not looking at at videos of cute cats and cheeseburgers on your phone on your watch no and and that's okay um I wouldn't mind losing that kind of stuff I use it in very different ways like for example um I almost never use dictation on my phone but I prefer obviously dictation on my watch just because the nature of text input yeah it's it's felt to me like dictation on the watch has a few too many steps to be able to do it right when I was trying to do it it feels like it's not nearly as immediate as I want it to be I I want to be able to just simply tap one thing and start dictating and there are a couple of intermediate steps yeah we've talked about this a lot where the best experience on the watch is being as handsfree as possible and interacting with it as little as possible you know I would hope that uh as things continue to get better with it it gets to a point where you don't really have to touch the screen or uh you know touch the digital crown or anything like that I think that it's going to take time to get there but if people are looking to you know the now the OD is dead where do we go I think the future of the iPod has always been in the Apple watch they just didn't brand it the iPod Watch I think you're right I mean it's a logical successor to the six generation iPod Nano that we just mentioned actually the screen size is similar the interface is not that dissimilar um they even had watch faces on that with one of the software updates they put out to encourage people to buy watch bands for it it's it's very much exactly what you're saying it's uh the future of the iPod is the watch I think the most impressive thing about that six gen iPod Nano the clipon one was the fact that in its small form factor they still somehow manage to squeeze in an entire 30 pin plug yeah when you look at that the 30 pin plug takes up uh the entire thing basically well the the depth of that thing right the depth of it is almost a centimeter deep right mhm if you're talking about the the internal receptacle with pins on the back of it for its connection and the width of it is is you know 90% of the whole iPod yeah it's it's amazing technical achievement that they managed to fit that giant port on there um in such a small frame uh everything about that device was very impressive they even hid the uh FCC ID information underneath the clip so it had a clean back on it they were technically in compliance with the rules of displaying it on the device even though you couldn't see it well that happens a lot on devices right there there are many devices that are made of black plastic yes right yeah and on those devices made of black plastic what color ink do you think the FCC information is printed on printed on in Black yes and as long as you rotate it under the light just right you can see the FCC information printed there that passes mhm but you're right Apple spends a lot of time focusing on how to get a clean look a clean design and they do a good job so let's pour one out out for the iPods absolutely and long live the iPod Watch love I loved the iPod Classic and I love that clip on Nano I actually had a tiny 30 pin Bluetooth adapter that I would plug into that tiny iPod Nano and it got about 45 minutes of battery life because it was not meant to have a wireless transmitter on it but that was enough for me to get a workout in at the gym you you know when you do that you're not that far off from the the Sony TV watch you remember the Sony Watchman y I remember that right the Sony Watchmen had a had a screen in it black and white screen and you could watch TV it was this giant bulky watch with an antenna that ran up your arm to a to an arm clip up on your above your elbow so that you could tune in TV signals putting the Bluetooth adapter on this thing Neil that's that's um I like wearing I like using uh wireless headphones at the uh at the gym and it worked yeah see when I wore it as a watch I was always afraid of washing my hands because washing your hands was a chance for water to enter that 30 pin port that's true yeah you know and and it's people I think people have a lot of misconceptions about the watch people feel like the first generation watch is not water resistant because Apple does such a good job of talking about how Series 2 is waterproof yeah but people swam with it right and and the the first generation and series 1 are both reasonably waterresistant but people believe that they aren't uh there are tons of people who were talking about how you know there're people who totally misunderstand what we're getting in the watch the people say you know it didn't have glucose monitoring built in therefore they failed people say it doesn't have expandable watch bands that you can you can add to increase battery life or increase other other functions uh people get upset about this stuff and you're missing what it does do you're missing who it's for and what it solves and that these things we did get we did get these functions they just require you know the the continuous glucose monitoring requires the thing that you wear because it has to Auto inject right right it can be it can be the the center of a new platform of connected Health devices in much the way that the iPhone is kind of the center of your world that the Apple watch and VI itself is the center of your health and also happens to be a pretty good iPod absolutely you know and it's interesting because when we talk about iPod and obviously the focus the first focus is music and we talk about watch in the center of a health platform so there was a story about a clear implant where for people with with hearing loss who would would be the the correct market for a clear implant um there is now a coar implant that works with the iPhone does it also work with the uh the watch do you think probably not why not well because I mean unless unless it's a generic Bluetooth colear implant I'm looking here let's see this is the clear nucleus 7 and it lets people stream audio directly to hearing implants from an iPhone and iPad or an iPod Touch uh previously clear users had to wear a special Bluetooth accessory along it's just as integrated Blu yeah it should work with the watch that shouldn't be a problem cuz perfect it's just regular Bluetooth it's not like there's anything special yeah apple the early days of the iPhone it used to be it the Bluetooth was very locked down they obviously opened it up but the watch is still knocked down locked down the watch will connect to health devices and it will connect to audio devices but other than that doesn't really doesn't really connect to much um that may be changing um as the future comes uh certainly um you know as you mentioned the glucose monitor and whatever um but again those fall under the category of Health devices so but I don't know what else you'd want to connect to it anyhow it's either audio or health you're not going to connect a stylist to watch I don't know man not sure how you charge it but you know you could take the the apple pencil and start sketching doodles to send to each other but that's that's one of the things that we found with the watch right no no one really draws these doodles to send to each other right no so there's been definitely a learning process about what the watch is for and who who just as there was a learning process with just as there was a learning process with the iPod you know the first one was firewire Mac only um you know the touch wheel the wheel originally turned on it um the physical yeah I mean you know a lot has changed over the years and apple learned that there were different interfaces that were better for different sizes and different form factors and then obviously ultimately they they came upon the iPhone which was the successor to all of it but it it's funny that you know when people were Imagining the first iPhone they were thinking in terms of iPod and a click wheel and that would be how you'd interact with it um Steve Jobs on stage even made a joke about it with like a rotary phone in place of where the click wheel would go um so that you know the iPod is a great example of Apple kind of Reinventing itself and not sticking to one way of doing it as they broadened the uh the platform um you look at the um the the risks that they took you know the Nano obviously was shrunk down but then once they got into the shuffle it was completely different didn't even have any buttons on it it was all controlled through the well eventually they had just control through the inline remote and they went back on that but the iPod was yes cuz that sucked right and and there was the there was the that was the third gen Shuffle and it was the chewing gum stick with an LED and you controlled it with the switch on the headphones and you had to watch its LED status change and interpret what the LEDs meant and there were about 15 different things that it knew to communicate with a different combination of LEDs and no one understood any of them but you think about like the f Nano too that was a a very I think it was like the third gen Nano or something that was the third and it didn't it didn't last very long and they scrapped it and then they they completely reinvented everything with the the clipon Nano the six gen so you know there was a lot of gen and the fourth gen the fourth gen Nano was kind of proportionally similar to the the seventh gen Nano but the fifth one was the one that got the camera right and so there were people duct taping it to The Bu bumpers of their cars and taking videos with the with iPads strapped to their cars iPods stra to their cars rather yeah I I always admired in the iPod lineup Apple's willingness to kind of experiment and try something new and try something different um with different form factors and different input methods and stuff they weren't always hits um but it was a unique way for them to expand the lineup um and especially when you compare now to you know iPhone and iPad are essentially the same from top to bottom in terms of how they look and and how you interact with them for the most part um the the iPods were uh kind of a eclectic mix of products they they really gave them the freedom to experiment yeah speaking of experimentation we have a leaked part that we wrote about today and this happens from time to time and usually the leaks that we see are are frequently things like outer enclosures you know the the machined aluminum back of an iPhone or an iPad for example but this one is a PCB a printed circuit board and you and I were talking about this this morning H it looks for all the world as what we have is an inductive coil for inductive charging yeah and a lightning Port yeah I I I don't know enough about wireless charging technology to really expand on this in any way my interpretation when I saw it was that perhaps it was the component that that provides the juice and gives the power uh but most people in the comments seem to dismiss it as oh it's too big because it couldn't fit in the phone and they were think it would be a thing that would receive the power well so you need both the the way that inductive charging works is that you have a coil in a charging plate and you have a coil in the device that you're charging and when those two are aligned then you have the most efficient inductive charging right and that's why people put magnets in products to try and help them line up properly you know that's why your coil in your uh your Apple watch charger has a magnet on it so that it centers itself so that you have the most efficient charging when they're not aligned you you don't have efficient charging or sometimes you don't have charging at all so that's what you do here to to get them to line up and you notice you've got that nice big hole in the center of that coil where you could plop a magnet right so do you when you look at this do you see this is something that could be an external charging accessory to charge an iPhone that's kind of what I that's what I thought it was too because it's got this lightning Port supposedly on the side at least it has the same number of pin connectors as a lightning Port um so my thought was perhaps this is an accessory that ships with it much like the um uh the Apple watch dock that Apple sells it has a female lightning port on it you plug in a lightning cable to it and then that provides juice and then you just lay your phone on it right now it's not that this is too wide or too tall to uh to to fit inside an iPhone enclosure it's that it's thick right and it's thick because you you can't use so there's there's a physics problem here right and the physics problem is that wire has resistance and you need fat wire to carry current if you have thin wire and you put a lot of current through it you burn up the wire you know I had I had a flex Cable in uh in a product where there was enough juice rubbing over some pins that it would burn the traces inside the flex cable because there was just too much amp running through it too much current so they have a thick wire here for the coil um but that's on the sending side on the receiving side you know and I'd have to check this but you you also need a coil but it doesn't necessarily have to be the same coil there it just has to be the same size and match up in a line so you can have perhaps a thinner part inside the phone I think this is the the sending side of it that we're looking at that would make sense to me to me um I still don't really see the appeal of something like this because I mean if it's magnetic or whatever and it and it operates much like the U the Apple watch charger does okay now I have a flat thing that lays on my desk I plop my phone down on it and then I pick it up and it gets picked up with it like I'd like something that's more like a fix to the desk or heavy enough that it stays or has some suction to it that it sticks to the desk you know it's it's F first of all there are these micro suction pads that when you put them on a product they they suck to and stick to whatever you as long as that's a smooth surface um you know you've seen that on things like your iPad stand that you use you know the aluminum one that you got the Logitech base I wasn't thinking of that one I was thinking of the other one that you got oh yeah I have one here I use it as a phone and and and um 29 watt Apple watch charger yeah or not app watch the U iPad charger 29 Watt yeah so it's it's entirely possible to put a micr section base on something the other thing is that the magnets don't have to be particularly strong right they don't have to actually hold weight they just need to be there so that when you put something on it you can tell when it's aligned and so with with a charging plate like this it can be a weak magnet and you just pick the phone up and as you pick the phone up the thing stays on the table yeah I mean it could work I I don't see I don't see the point of this because it will take up more space on your desk I mean having a dock is smaller and the the doc prominently displays the phone it's the convenience the convenience of not having to align stuff I guess right you you really I mean when I'm so at night I have a stand on my bed table and it has a lightning Port lightning plug sticking up and I have to in the dark try and align the phone on this stand on this plug and it's not exactly easy and if I'm if I'm doing it in the dark without that stand then I have to fish around and find the port and get it to plug and yeah I can do it but would it be just simpler to Simply put the phone down and have it charge yes absolutely and for a time we had here a uh and we wrote about this on the site a couple years ago a my unu uh battery case that had a charge plate and it had weak magnets in it and it was really convenient and sure the charger took up space on the counter when when were using it but who cared it was really super convenient so I I don't doubt that wireless charging the iPhone is going to be a big hit um I just don't care well you will when you get it I don't think so then it won't matter for you but it'll matter every pretty much I don't know about everybody else especially if you have to pay extra to get the charging dock we'll see how that turns out it's it's not entirely certain yet what Apple will do about that now this so I want to talk a little bit about Casper mattress right Casper mattresses were developed over thousands of hours by a team of In-House engineers and they have this award-winning sleep service that combines memory foam and a springy comfort layer for just the right level of sink and bounce and it's a breathable design and breathable is important because you can 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Sandy mattress they are but it's brilliant marketing you know I see there ads all over the subway and stuff so it's always cool to see um Brands like that that find innovative ways to Market so kudos to them and they have a good product on top of it yeah definitely now the thing that you and I love to talk about I want to talk about iPhone 8 are you ready okay Apple iPhone 8 is going to launch in October or November I know I'm being incredibly specific without a white bezel option this is the only uh time we've heard this rumor so take it with a very large grain of salt uh but I mean it would make some level of sense um we've seen well you said we were going to go to four colorways in one of the previous right corre uh one new color was a mirror and then it didn't say any of the other ones were um it would be weird for them to get rid of white just because that has been the alternate color since they started doing alternate colors however uh it might make some sense with the edgo edge display and uh wanting the bezel to look as small as you can you know white around the edges might make the what remaining bezel there is stand out more um maybe it makes some sense in some way I don't know uh it's really hard to say at this point I I I think that uh you know wait and see I wouldn't get out your pitchforks yet well they certainly know how much they're selling of each different color way right they know that they're selling rose gold they know that they're selling jet black and M but all of those have white fronts and they do but people aren't specifically getting the silver and white one which was the traditional one we'd call White right maybe not I I don't know when I when I just anecdotally look around and not that my anecdote evidence is much of actual evidence right it's you know anecdotes are not data but I see a ton of rose gold and a ton of of black both Jet and matte and I don't see a whole lot in the way of silver yeah maybe that's a reason for it I don't know it would be interesting to see you know if they continue to offer for example a gold phone how that works with an all glass back so you're going to have gold painted glass and then at what point because you know if you don't have like metal around the edges I guess uh at what point does it fold into either a white or are they going to bring gold up to the edges around the screen like what is it going to be because the reason they do that with with the current iPhone design is it would be weird to have gold around the the bezel on the front of the screen while you're looking at it just it wouldn't look very good so they don't do that how do they solve that with this is it going to have white around the front I don't know well and that was one of the things that that people talked about with the product red iPhone yeah right you remember this what color is on the front of the produ red iPhone what color should it a lot of people felt it should be black yes and and they're not wrong you know the the red and black is a classic combination it looks really good and it would have echoed back to the U2 iPod yeah you know there's there's a lot of good in that so it's entirely possible that we see the uh the white frame the white front go away which is is interesting in part just because that was the one that was the most difficult for them to create in the first place mhm you know was it was uh they announced the iPhone 4 with the white front and then weren't able to deliver it for almost a year you have a robot vacuum cleaner in your house I have a robot vacuum cleaner in my house too I have one in your house too and that's precisely why we're talking about this story because one of the things that happens is that Roomba was talking about or iroot roomba's parent was talking about being able to map users homes and then sell those house maps to Smart Home vendors as both another Revenue source and potentially providing some kind of service around it right you know being able to sell that to Smart Home vendors who could then sell you you know you really probably ought to have like a light bulb or a Smart Oven monitor or Internet connected smoke alarms right that sort of thing all based off of the house map generated by the robot now clearly I I don't have a robot vacuum cleaner in your house but if I did I could see the map of your apartment so Apple in in a move that surprises well just about no one has confirmed that they are not going to upload share or sell any of your home data that will be uh at all generated or used or whatever with homepod yeah this was a reader that uh reached out to Apple and got an official response for them and not particularly surprising likely to most listeners of this podcast just because um you know you guys are the most hardcore of the most hardcore that really know how the company operates but uh we decided to run this story today because a lot of our readers are more casual Apple Fans that don't necessarily understand these things and given the traction that this story got on Reddit and and comments and stuff like that um and shares on Facebook it clearly was something that resonated with people but you know Apple's business model is not to do that kind of thing but what what I found very interesting about it was uh the reveal that all the analysis of the room is going to be done directly on the device powered by the A8 chip and it's going to be stored there will not be uploaded to Apple so some people in the comments were saying oh how much could you really be able to tell about a room through just audio uh well you could tell quite a bit about just room through audio yeah that's kind of how sonar works so uh you could tell how large the room is um you know you may not be able to tell what brand of uh of television set they have or something but you could certainly tell where objects are are in the room uh what the general shape of the room is um stuff that would block sound or whatever uh I mean that's just how sound works so well what because you've got speakers and the microphone phone it's not just the distance and time delay for for things telling you how big the room is it's also um what Reflections are coming back it's also what frequency response sounds like in the room so you should you requal the audio to accommodate the way that different frequencies are absorbed or reflected in the room th this is stuff that has been done in some form in the past but has only been available to Consumers at super high expensive price levels this is this is the kind of thing that audio file nerds geek out on because it's it's stuff that was only available if you bought speakers that cost $20,000 and now they're available for the the small princely sum of 300 sum and there have been more basic versions of this um like if you get a surround sound system they'll tell you to put a microphone in the center of the room and then it'll measure the distance from all that it's not exactly the same but yeah and and I have that all both in the home stereo and in the car stereo yeah I mean that's not anything that new time will tell how advanced apples is it could be some uh you know snake oil sales going on here too uh and just making it sound more fancy is cuz how much can you really put into a $350 device but regardless the reason that this is relevant to people that are kind of dismissing it is because well I I think hold on hold on stop stop everything let me let's let's clarify the systems for the home stereos receivers and the Audio car receivers that measure the room do it by playing white noise through each different individual speaker and then measuring that back my understanding is that homepod does not go through a setup rigma Ro playing white noise and that's part of what's unique here is that it just plays the audio and it's listening to the audio comeback well the problem is and matching that the problem is this thing is not actually shipping so so we can say what it's supposed to do but until we get it in our hands which by the way is not for five more months um let's yeah you're buying me one right no I I mean you know it'll probably be pretty cool knowing Apple but still you know we try to be objective about this stuff you take everything with a grain of salt whatever apple is going to ship we'll we'll review it based on that but this is what they claim it's going to do in practice um who knows we'll see so I Robot wants to spy on you and Report what your home looks like inside Apple will IR robot sees it as a potential Revenue stream for customers that opt in to make it clear it's not like they're just by default taking this information but uh while some people like us may pay attention what we're agreeing to a lot of people don't and wouldn't realize and if they did know what was going on they probably wouldn't be happy about it well and it's important to understand is you know why does your vacuum cleaner need to map your house in the first place and it's it's a useful or semi-useful feature if we're talking just about vacuuming you know when when my vacuum cleaner drives around the house and finishes and returns to its base to charge I get a map showing where it's been so I know how much of the place actually got vacuumed was there some obstacle in the way that prevented it from getting to one corner of the room kind of thing that's really the utility that's that's the use case there's there's nothing quite amazing about and you can't really do anything beyond seeing that and observing that yes you know you couldn't get behind the the leg of that chair there okay big de that's that's all there is to this it's it's not a whole lot more now let me ask you a question how many emails do you have in your inbox right now uh my work inbox currently says I have 16,491 unread emails yep nice that's pretty awesome I I used to have a um an email forwarding rule set up so that I would forward it to another email 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to 12 hours a month on email time and because we could all use a little more organization in our email lives we've got a deal for our listeners if you visit sandbox.com slapple inssider they'll throw in an extra $25 credit on top of the two-e free trial so you get a two-e free trial and if you visit sandbox.a ins sandbox.com apppp inssider that's s NE box.com slapple Insider you get an additional $25 credit on top of that this is a story that was near to me this is one that I was interested in so there's a patent that was published on Thursday that shows a method of overlaying interactive digital information onto real world environments displayed on a portable device screen now this is basically AR kit right this is augmented reality so far and the the the patent has covers a method for representing points of interest in a view of a real environment so if you're holding your phone up around then you can see pois which is cool it's useful landmarks buildings other popular objects uh that sort of thing and and this has been done before in a couple of ways but this patent takes the idea Beyond just two- dimensional maps and adds augmented reality into the mix and is is a little bit different in how it's doing it what really resonated with this patent for me what made me interested is that at the very end of it there's a detail about a head mounted display you know it's not just about the doing this on the phone screen it's also being able to interact with point of Interest overlays with a head Mount of display and being able to reach out in front of your face to to manipulate it so there's the display there's augmented reality and there's hand tracking involved which is seriously cool now we know that that this is um part of of Ip that's being reassigned from Mato which was purchased in 201 5 but Apple's made a number of purchases in this kind of space and I think it was one of the other companies that they've purchased that had the hand tracking yeah Prime sense at it uh Prime sense and also SMI I believe so this is this is sort of what it looks like when all of these different things begin to coales right they've purchased several different companies in the space they purchased some that do some of the same kinds of things albe it different ways and we're sort of watching it in slow motion come together yeah I I've said all along I I see the iPhone as kind of the center of the platform for AR and VR uh this continues along those lines I don't see apple making an actual head mounted display but I could see them making a head mounted display that connects to your iPhone and uses its processing power and capabilities and I I sort of see that coming after we've had AR kit for about a year you know the problem that has always been where's the content and so this is Apple's method of generating the content having developers get on board and generate the content and then once the content's in place then we get the headmount of display and it's it's entirely possible Right we've got the watch we got the phone and the phone is the center of the world or has been the center of the world for a long time but I I think that what happens is just as we talked at the beginning about the Apple watch getting an LTE radio and the watch becoming more independent that after you've established here's what the head mounted display looks like here's how it works with the phone for a couple Generations that you can then divorce it from the phone just the same I just don't see display I I think they do I just think that it's a ways off yeah it it might be a long ways off in a very different world than we're in now but I still see it as like a a niche product and something that they want to cater to but not something that they would be interested in selling in limited quantities I give it a couple of years because right now augmented reality is a niche thing but we're going to reach a point where many apps that you interact with daily are augmented reality applications and it becomes second nature and once it becomes second nature then having a new display doesn't seem out of place I could see that yeah I I just don't see it as a market that apple is going to be in a rush to get into as I say all it takes time yeah this is happening over this is something that's probably GNA come together over a longer timeline yeah it's too geeky and you know stuff like uh you know augmented reality contact lenses it's like we we don't have the technology to make that kind of stuff so it's just science fiction today yet right at one point we might get there but again you know I don't wear glasses I don't wear contacts do I really want to start wearing glasses just to get those features and many people said that they didn't wear a watch but now you all you know why would I care ever wear a watch I've got a phone right right and yet tons of people are now wearing watches that did not wear watches before that's true yeah so it's it's certainly within the realm of possibility yeah you'll give me that absolutely I don't deny that okay I'll take it iOS 11 we published a story about the coolest AR kit demos that we've seen so far and I want to talk about them so yeah here we go um you know I just said that there are going to be applications that are casual use that are things that you can do every day with without thinking about it one of the ones that I really liked was a one a demo made by a developer named smart picture and this is room measurement application I think we mentioned this a couple weeks ago where you hold the phone up and tap on it to set end points as Walls Start and stop and it traces and tells you the dimension of each wall and then calculates the area y of the room how useful is that quite useful I think it's I think it's incredibly useful um you know and there been applications that have tried to do that in the past without AR kit but this demo looks so simple and so clean I I love it it really is great you know you're trying to figure out how big your room is and whether or not something will fit this is perfect um we know that Ikea for example Ikea is huge into doing things in virtual reality Ikea has for years their whole catalog their catalog is a lie every part of their catalog is a computer generated image there are no photographs in their catalog and so I fully expect them to adopt this kind of thing so that you can see and place furniture and in fact we have a demo from Asher vmer who shows a a catalog of furniture that he created in AR kit and you Orient which you you place it in a room and Orient which direction it's going to go and it literally drops in from the top of the screen M and then you can resize it and rescale it and arrange a room and see what it's like now this is a big deal a lot of people say why is this matter what what what is this for and what you you realize is that there are people who have Vision people who are able to visualize something right and there are people who cannot visualize things and for all the people who have difficulty visualizing what something looks like if the color changes yeah what something looks like if we rearrange the furniture without actually moving furniture around people who who need to actually see it to understand This Is The Answer yep what's that carpet going to look like on the floor what's that paint color going to look like if I paint the wall you know run down the list precisely what what happens if we paint the outside of the house white instead of gray what happens if we change the door from Blue to red and you know there are people who say well it sounds like a nice idea in theory but I can't picture it now you can I think that makes a huge difference and I think that's going to have uh knock on effects not just for the homeowner the apartment dweller but also for for Architects and interior designers yeah I agree right it's it's big um you know there there are tons of fun demos as well right there's the blob that works in conjunction with Vive and AR kit and so you you see someone painting and having a blob an animated blob paint along with you that's kind of cool um there was a demo of someone dropping Mickey Mouse into a scene in front of the d23 Expo which is the the Disney Fan event and so now we can talk about now is is dropping Mickey Mouse into a scene in front of d23 a big deal well on its face probably not but when you talk about how you enable people to do this easily right before you would have had to coded your own virtual environment and your own apis and the whole thing from scratch being able to Simply do it fast and simple and drop them into to U you know this pre-existing environment makes it a big deal for you know advertising for promotion for events in back in 1999 what a big deal it was to have an entirely digital character on the screen in Star Wars The Phantom Menace jarar Binks was for all the horribleness that is remember he's remembered for the character and for how poor the special effects were the problem that was that was a revolutionary thing at the time to have a character on the screen throughout the movie who was 100% digital from head to toe walking around interacting with other people and so now you think about all the effort and all the time and all the money that was spent on that back then to do that now you're going to be able to do it on your phone for basically nothing yes now the the thing that I would say about that movie is that this is the sort of thing that happens when someone gets a new tool right that when you first get a new tool in your toolbox you get a shiny new toy you want to use it everywhere and so George Lucas finally had this shiny new toy in his toolbox and so he used it literally everywhere and we got all kinds of new aliens and creatures and U new things in the The Cantina kind of thing and also this full motion character that could work for the whole movie and the same happened with Yoda as well yeah it it it took us a little while before we got he went nuts he used it everywhere it took it's not it wasn't refined it took us a little while before we got to Andy circus's golum and then you know plant of the Apes um and and where we're at now in terms of digital characters on screen um which are obviously way more impressive than the first one but credit to where it's due uh you know The Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks was a groundbreaking achievement in terms of never really having been done at that scale before but it's funny to think that now starting this fall with iOS 11 you could basically make a home movie and do that with your phone in your pocket well and think of Toy Story right the the first Toy Story uh the surfaces of everything look very very um they they're a matte surface right they don't have any gloss to them they frequently don't have any life to them in in that kind of reflecting light kind of way uh they tend to absorb the light it looks like and if you look at Toy Story 3 Rex the plastic dinosaur character totally different completely changed in terms of texture and everything the these things all get better and I I I'm with you you could totally make a movie using AR kit and that's something that is going to happen and it's going to happen so when you do AR kit you aren't just using AR kit you're also using things like Unity or unreal and unity has a whole section in their documentation on using it to make Cinema using Unity to make movies and so I foresee a combination between using Unity to make movies which is something that they support and that they have tools for and AR kit and being able to to turn the surface in front of you into the stage into the the scene for viewing um you know and this goes back to so all the all the ideas right all the technological developments from the past 100 years come out of fiction this is this is something that I can make as a as a theory saying you know we've had how much technology come out of Star Trek right the idea of people walking around with tablets came out of Star Trek the idea of people walking around with encyclopedias in in their hands came out of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy um the idea for the first head-mounted display goggles that took you to a different reality um immersed you in a different reality came from a book written in the 1930s there's a ton of of stuff the idea of communicators which look a lot like flip phones or cell phones right or wireless communication like the badges on St all of this stuff comes now if you're if you're elron hubber it comes suppressed memories of a past life so well I can't even begin to get into that but you know the and and and sort of this weird interaction right the idea that quick time could play multiple audio streams at once came from a Star Trek episode where the character data and the next generation was playing multiple streams of audio all at the same time and the guys at Apple went and said yeah we could do that actually and they did after having seen that episode there's a ton of of interplay between fiction and reality like this and I think back to the science fiction prediction that we would have 3D television well pretty soon we won't have 3D television again and that we would have Holograms projected onto surfaces so that we had 3D television and it the the 3D TVs of a couple of years ago were not really good 3D TVs no the idea of using arkit as 3D TV is huge and that delivers for me on the promise of what we were talking about as 3D TV but it's it's not just about entertainment you know uh urban planning I mentioned architecture a little bit ago but urban planning if you took Maps you could take buildings and you could plan roads and you could lay it out and virtually experience what you've laid out that's a huge deal urban planning is kind of a hard thing you know you you have different layers right whether you've got buildings roads um an underground subway system you have a lot to work with there and being able to develop as a part of a panorama and then simulate and it's huge it redefines everything uh you know we're seeing turn-based gaming right tabletop games well directive games has a game called the machines which they've already set up and are running on AR kit powered by Unreal Engine 4 it's impressive and this is all early days this is stuff that uh has been done you know just with demo software without any consumers to buy it yet so it's only going to get better you uh did you see the AHA yeah that was great I like that a lot yeah so um there was the band aha from the'80s about 1984 I want to say it was one of the the top 100 songs on MTV and Take On Me was this video that was the interplay between the real world and a handdrawn world it was an animated V music video and a Chicago Studio has created that kind of Animation but using AR kit is able to render it in real time so the thing that we saw as as a fictional work in a music video in 1984 is now you take that and you combine that with the screen recording capabilities built into iOS 11 and now you can literally just hold the camera up shoot something like that export it put it on YouTube and you've just made the AHA video which probably took millions of dollars to make and just done it with your $400 iPhone or whatever exactly how many months to animate did that thing take probably many and it's done yeah it's it's it's going to be it's going to be exciting you know uh one of my favorite apps uh you know early days of augmented reality it's been around for many years but it's a popular app is um JJ Abrams Action Movie app it's a great app you like putting the lens flare on the yeah like and you can have it like look like you know a building's falling down on somebody or whatever and it's it's cheesy and it's not like the way it's going to be with arkit but think about an action movie app but with arkit it's going to be really cool you know what we need is we need a way to just as there's inter audio communication intera audio communication where you can share audio and Link it from one application to the next we need to have ways to share augmented reality between applications yeah mix them or whatever and oh well mix them or or be able to take things done with one augmented reality app and then share them to another one and impose more stuff to it so that I can shoot something in the AHA method and then impose action stuff on top of it from the other one um and and also for live video right I should be able to hold a FaceTime call with augmented reality I should be able to look like a did that in in I to to my caller mhm years ago yes that was all done using oh I'm blanking on the name um wasn't what it was it wasn't chor Graphics it was uh there's a tool that used to ship with the the X with X tools with the the developer set X code that basically allowed you to program by wiring up different inputs and outputs and so all of those plugins uh quartz composer quartz composer is what I'm thinking of um all of those kinds of plugins for IAT years ago were done with quartz composer and it would be super cool to to be able to do the same kind of thing with augmented reality and AR kit into FaceTime I wonder if they could do something with when when you're recording the video and saving it it would remember positional and distance data in the file itself so say record a video and then load it into an AR app that could then apply uh AR after the fact so what you're talking about with combining you know one AR app and another and allowing them to kind of plug in into one another what if the necessary data to do what you want was already in the the video file itself right cuz they're already rendering all that in real time so saving it can't be that difficult yeah and one of the interesting things is remember lro yeah so lro was all about measuring the distance and being able to refocus after the fact mhm and they were convinced that they were going to be the next big thing in film making right they cut off their consumer entity and started trying to make cameras for movies yeah and it's a cool idea but if you have positional data if you have distance data can you do something like that with your iPhone if you have two lenses yeah okay so this gets interesting right what if instead of have you know some people a few people filmmakers having a lro camera basically if everyone has one then everyone has the ability to make movies and things like this not just a lro camera but a lro camera connected to a very powerful computer in your pocket yes I like this future mhm it's exciting we have a series of stories that we're going to cover here and they're they're interesting so we've been talking a little bit about and and there's been a discussion going on in the United States about Manufacturing in the US and you know there's it's it's interesting because every every uh you know every every part of political life talks about the economy and every part of political life talks about the job market and things like that so you know jobs and job growth and job numbers so foxcon is is going to be bringing a factory or a trio of factories to the US no just one just one see that's the thing is that we had a number of Stories on this there was a mix yeah well that fake news it started here oh dear so it starts with um United States president Trump said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that Tim Cook allegedly promised him three big plants and the quote is three big plants big big big all right well there's a number of problems with that story and there's a reason that we report on it skeptically regardless of how you feel about Donald Trump good or bad whatever it is these are just the facts Apple has one manufacturing plant in the entire world it's not in the United States that's fine they have some Partners elsewhere they've assembled stuff they've even assembled some Max at some points in the United States uh including at factories they used to have there that's fine too uh and they used to have uh Manufacturing in California right uh now they have some manufacturing done in Ireland but everything else is outsourced um so if Apple were to get into the manufacturing business which they have shown no indication that they would like to do but however if they wanted to get into the manufacturing business and open up three plants in the United States that would be very big news and and Donald Trump would have very much to be excited about um to have that sort of thing happen under his watch uh having said that uh we reported Ed that initial story with some skepticism because um Donald Trump tends to play a little Loosely with the facts and how he presents things and the truth of it is Apple has always for the P past you know 30 years or whatever partnered with uh manufacturing partners that handle the bulk of their production for them so Fox they contract out manufacturing to Partners that manufacture for them right so when we initially covered this story We presented it from a perspective of Donald Trump said apple is going to open three factories in the United States that's probably not going to happen what's probably going to happen is that uh Apple is going to one of their Partners maybe is going to produce some Apple products in the United States well what ended up happening was even less than that what ended up happening was there was a big announcement with u a bunch of Republicans uh touting um on Wednesday that foxcon um was is planning to by 2020 open a plant to produce uh displays for large format TVs for Sharp uh in Wisconsin and they hope to they say it's going to have about 3,000 jobs there and they hope that they can eventually have you know uh 12,000 jobs as a result of you know ancillary things associated with the with the factory or whatever uh this Factory has nothing to do with apple there's absolutely no indication that apple is going to have anything manufactured there or use any parts from this place uh and there's no apple Manufacturing in America despite what Donald Trump said having said all of that it's it's possible that maybe Apple has an announcement waiting until later this year or next year or something who knows maybe Tim Cook told Donald Trump that they really are going to build three factors here that may all end up happening but considering everything that played out this week and the way it went down I think that um there was a way to Hype it to make it a little more exciting and I think that saying apple is a little more exciting than foxcon um certainly we are guilty of it and news organizations are guilty of it uh you look at all the stories that came out it says Apple partner foxcon building fact even though they have because getting apple and a headline gets people interested right and and that's not meant to be deceptive or to be dishonest with people it's to try to get them to be interested in a story they would otherwise ignore you got to think about it from Joe Publix's perspective they don't know what foxcon is they don't care they read that foxcon is going to build a factory in Wisconson and they go why do I care but if you read that the person or the company that builds iPhones is going to make a factory in Wisconsin even though they're not going to make iPhones there that's still pretty exciting and so that's why it's presented that way I think that what happened in this case was Donald Trump took it a step further and just said Apple's going to do it which is factually inaccurate um and is not what we have found thus far now if that ends up changing and apple does build three factories in the United States and starts making Goods here I will happily eat my words because I think that's a very good thing for the United States economy well and as you say it's it's happened before right there were the uh the trash can Power Max yes for example were the most recent product assembled in the US uh I think they built some it wasn't uh they weren't building them themselves but it was partnered with um uh somebody has a manufacturing assembly line in the US and some iMacs were being built here um recent iMacs yeah like as of like five years ago I think it was or something okay so the the last I new IMAX that were manufactured in the US were the uh original IMAX manufactured in California but the the trash can Power Max were made in trash uh Mac Pros rather sorry Mac on the brain um were made in Texas right yeah so it's it's entirely possible but it's it's not exactly likely well not something you can do at scale now having said that could Apple build maybe homepods in the United States or could they build iPod Touches or well probably something larger would make more sense so like a a Mac like a maybe even like a a Mac Mini or something you know low volume uh easier for assembly for uh workers that don't have the skills without an assembly line machines to do it yeah that that's possible but they're not going to be making iPhones in the United States uh for a whole host of reasons uh wages uh skill of workers uh availability of resources uh location of Parts there's there's no positive incentive requiring it right Apple's Partners produce iPhones in Brazil and in India and that's in response to local conditions that require it but there's there's no such requirement that says that things have to be made in the US and so they aren't and they making limited production of those phones too it's more of a nominal gesture than than actually when they're cranking out a bunch of iPhone 7 when they're cranking out a bunch of iPhone 7 s's this fall it's not going to be in Brazil it's going to be a foxcon plant in China absolutely correct no they the the Brazilian plant and the Indian production exist for local compliance matters yep they they exist to satisfy that requirement yep but Foxon it should be said foxcon is a very very large company yes foxcon has many many different project managers and many many many different production lines and many customers they produce for Microsoft they produce for Dell they produce for HP they produce for uh Google sharp uh run down the list if you have you know an assembled electronic device in your house it probably came from a foxcon plant or pegatron or pegatron but mostly foxcon yeah yeah so that was that story thank you for helping work through it with me um you know and it's it's not a small thing we we we're talking about it like as a small thing because it's not Apple but this is a 20,000 ft facility 3,000 jobs and potentially 10 billion over the next 3 years spent on it yeah it's it's not something that we should minimize it's just that that uh it's not all it was cracked up to be at the initial story yeah all right tell me about the zungle panther which I'm I'm just going to repeat that for for the benefit of everyone there is a product whose name is zungle Panther I'm going to get through this very quick get on to a big story that we missed and then we can wrap it uh the zungle panther are a pair of bone conducting Bluetooth speaker sunglasses uh they look like regular sunglasses they're a little chunky but you put them on your head you don't notice and the idea is that they keep your ears open so that if you're you know riding a bike or skateboarding or whatever you can hear traffic around you you can hear people you're less likely get into an accident the audio going into your head is actually through a piece of supposedly bone conducting uh rubber or whatever that is on the back of the stem for lack of a better word Temple that's called a temple well it runs behind your ear the the whatever it is part of the GL the part of the eyeglasses is called the temple okay well it runs behind your ear and that's confusing because you have a temple on your head so anyhow um didn't say terms had to make sense just they have terms so the pieces on the back of the temple um stick to your head and very snugly and work to allow you to hear audio I I tested them out today um we have a first look up on the site they cost 150 bucks they squeeze your head like a vice grip uh you can actually hear the audio when you take them off and people around you can hear the audio um it's I mean does it keep your ears open so you can hear noise around you yes um do they look like regular sunglasses yes other than that would I recommend this product not really I mean I guess if you want to have some audio playing kind of around you and sort of you know in a tiny way and to be able to hear cars while you're going around uh then that might have some appeal for some people but for the ma vast majority of consumers don't bother it squeezes your head uh they don't fit very well like I have a huge Noggin and um I found them to be very uncomfortable and they gave me a headache so I don't think I can recommend that product but I I I want to point out that uh Google Glass used to do bone conduction for its audio or rather I should say it still does bone probably a much better version of it uh probably and there they considered fit to be very important so it was actually comfortable it still a little bit tinny with these people are saying it's not actually bone conduction it's little speakers in there I don't even know but you can hear them when you take them off like it's audible which is yeah I don't remember being able to hear Google Glass yeah I I don't think that's how bone conduction is supposed to work so it's questionable whether it's actually bone conduction but there you go the story but with a name like zungle Panther how can you refuse the story I wanted to at least acknowledge before we sign off because we didn't talk about it Adobe announced that flash is dead uh end of life plans for Adobe Flash they're going to stop distribution of it by 2020 helping um content partners and creators phase it out uh we still have a lot of flash on the the internet uh Apple has done their part uh in the years since Steve Jobs penned his very famous 2010 thoughts on flash memo talking about how it was unfit for the modern era um it'll be dead in in three more years we're just uh kind of well it's you know we we've effectively killed it anyway right it's been out of Max for ages try to in terms of not being distributed in Safari and things like that it's been Al of Chrome for about a year try to go to your cable provider's website and watch some video try to go to a lot of major websites and watch some video and see how well it goes right but here's the thing is that it's not in Chrome it's not in um Safari and it's not available as a plugin for whatever the heck Microsoft's calling their browser now Edge right so being able to watch that media is is becoming harder and harder every day and as it becomes more and more difficult to watch that media content providers are going to stop using that to provide media right cuz no one will be able to see it yeah so whether or not it's by policy by Adobe retiring it or or by just the fact that it doesn't work anymore um it's going away Adobe saying it's going away just helps speed that up yep it's dead it's over it's it's it's gone it's going to take another three years but hopefully we don't see any daisies goodbye to Adobe Flash Steve Jobs Steve Jobs helped push it over the edge and thank you for that Steve oh you know what we should do the typical closer Neil where can people find you on the internet uh you can read my musings at appleinsider.com and you can follow me on Twitter at thisis Neil NE and you can find me ATV marks on Twitter we are going to be back next week I want to talk carplay when we do next week and we will see you then thank you for listening\n"