**The Latest Nest Learning Thermostat: A Major Upgrade**

I recently had the opportunity to experience the latest Nest learning thermostat, and I must say that it's a significant improvement over its predecessor. The UI is now more user-friendly, making it easier to navigate and control the device. One of the notable changes is the larger screen size, which allows for more intuitive interaction with the device. In contrast to the third-gen thermostat, which features a small screen, this new model provides a more comprehensive experience.

**Improved Integration with Google Home**

Another significant upgrade is the deeper integration with the Google Home app. With the latest Nest learning thermostat, users can now control their temperature settings directly through the Google Home app, eliminating the need for the separate Nest app. This streamlined approach simplifies the user interface and provides a more seamless experience. However, it's worth noting that some advanced features, such as scheduling, may still require the use of the Nest app.

**Advanced Motion Detection**

One of the most exciting features of the new Nest learning thermostat is its solely radar technology. Unlike the original N-thermostat, which utilized a P sensor for motion detection, this model employs an advanced radar system that provides more precise and accurate readings. This feature, known as Dynamic Fast Sight, allows users to view real-time information on their screen, including weather updates, such as lightning or snow, when they approach the device.

**Customization and Flexibility**

The new Nest learning thermostat also offers a high degree of customization. Users can personalize their experience by selecting which features they want to display on the screen. This flexibility is similar to what's available on smartwatches, allowing users to tailor their experience to suit their needs. Additionally, the device comes with a temperature sensor, a feature that was previously exclusive to the second-generation Nest thermostats.

**Sustainability Features**

The new Nest learning thermostat prioritizes sustainability, with a battery made entirely of 100% recycled cobalt. This eco-friendly design is a significant step forward in reducing waste and minimizing environmental impact. Furthermore, users can work with Nest Renew, a program that enables dynamic demand response and helps reduce energy consumption.

**Value Proposition**

Compared to its predecessor, the new Nest learning thermostat offers several advantages without increasing costs. The device now includes a temperature sensor, which was previously a separate purchase, making it more affordable for consumers. While there are some minor drawbacks, such as limited control features within the Google Home app, overall, this model provides significant improvements in user experience and sustainability.

**Conclusion**

The new Nest learning thermostat is an exciting upgrade that addresses many of the concerns users had with its predecessor. With its advanced motion detection, improved integration with Google Home, customization options, and sustainable design, it's a compelling choice for those looking to upgrade their home's temperature control system. While some minor compromises are necessary, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks, making this device an attractive option for consumers seeking a more efficient and eco-friendly solution.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis is Twi let's start with what just happened because Google uh which is going to have an event soon uh did kind of a pre-announcement of some of its products that are maybe not as um we'll say pixel forward and you weren't going to say exciting right you wer exciting I think they're I think they're exciting to be honest um what was funny is I just uh recently moved to a new place and I was getting the um Nest thermostat in my home um connected to you know reset and then connected to my Wi-Fi and then connected to my app etc etc and within I think a day of getting it set up I opened up the app and boom up popped this prompt saying hey we've got a new Nest learning thermostat would you like this one instead oh boy luckily I didn't buy the one that's here it was already here but uh yeah so what what what did Google Google anounce yes so this was um very much a big focus on all of the Google home part of Google which really doesn't often get a lot of focus and hasn't had a lot of focus in a while so this was this was kind of Christmas comes early for smart home reporters um they announced three key things uh the first is The Nest learning thermostat which you just mentioned um that's this is the fourth generation of their iconic thermostat you know that's a word that does get thrown around a lot but I feel like it kind of applies here I mean this really was the beginning of the sort of DIY smart home movement about 12 13 years ago and it was so pretty and the new one is so pretty if you got to remember what thermostats used to look like these are really pretty um so whole new design this is um whilst it still retains a feel of the original Nest it's it's completely redesigned and it looks like a giant pixel watch on your wall um but we can go on I will go more details but just to flip through the next couple things um new Google TV for streamer 4K um so this is a new now it's a set toop box for your streaming like a chomecast but it's also a smart home hub so it's basically Google's version of Apple TV so you can stream all your shows it does act like a chomecast and it also has smart homehub capabilities so it's a Google home hub it is a mattera controller it's a thread border router so it can do all the smart home um so that's exciting that's $100 um and then the and it's also not a dongle so no more dongles no CH chomecast dongles it's a little box that sits under your TV that's kind of divided people I think it's it's an interesting design but um new chomecast remote sorry new remote that goes with the streamer and it looks just like the chomecast with Google TV Remote but is a little bigger um and also the new smart home feature on Google TV we now have a pop out smart home control panel just like you have on Apple TV so you can control your TV control your smart home through your TV and view live video streams so if someone presses Your Nest doorbell it can pop up on your TV like you can do with your Apple TV so it's very similar it has a lot it takes a lot of cues from uh from the Apple TV which is a good thing because Apple TV is great so this is a good great upgrade I think for Google home users and then the final thing which is which Google kind of underplayed a little bit but I'm most excited about is they're bringing Gemini intelligence to Google home and I say bringing as in this is not here the other two products are launching in the next month this is later this year in public preview but it's a lot of um generative AI powered features for Google home um you're going to get Nest cameras will gain the ability to not just send you an alert that says person detected or animal detected but we actually be able to process using Mo the Gemini multimodal AI process what the camera sees and present you with a caption um like a description of what the camera is seeing and that's sort of the first step and you can kind of see where that might where that could go so you know you could set up automations where a camera sees something specific like a car pulling into the driveway or a person opening the garage door you could set up home automations and this so it's a really interesting sort of upgrade for your nest cameras um they're also adding um the ability to set up smart home automations with natural language so I'd like a way for my kids to be reminded to put their bikes in the garage was the example Google used um and then Google home can set up an automation that turns on the light at the garage um broadcasts a message over Nest speaker saying kids put your bikes away um every time kids show up in the driveway between a certain time and Google home will just set this all up for you and all you need to do is say this is what I'd like you to do obviously you also need compatible devices it doesn't work magic um and then the final thing is Google Assistant itself is getting an AI overhaul similar to what we've heard is going to be happening to Amazon's Alexa um it's going to be and these are their descriptions um smarter more conversational um more capable of understanding natural language and is also going to have some new voices um on the smart home speakers so all of these uh the new Google Assistant features are coming to this Nest Smart Home displays and speakers as opposed to this is different from what you might use on your phone um or other pixel devices so specifically to the current Nest hubs and speakers so we're not getting any new Nest speakers or displays but the current ones you have are going to get more capabilities but this is all coming later this year and in public preview which is Google's version of like a beta program um and it does require nestaware subscription so you have to pay so that's it that yeah that's that's everything and we're gonna we're gonna kind of get into more detail with everything starting with the uh Nest Thermostat um and so when it comes to the nest thermostat I think it's important to kind of look at the history of what it has looked like before what it looks like now um how it kind of there's almost a an upside down bell curve right of um of of features and maybe you could if you can uh explain what Google was thinking in in sort of taking some of what it did out and then I also love that in your piece you talked about um a competitor which it's one of my favorite products that I have owned which is the um eccoe thermostat so let's start with a history um how has The Nest learning thermostat looked in the past and then kind of how has it changed in terms of features over time and what was the reaction from uh the the folks who who buy these things yeah so it it so so the original Nest looked in that looked a lot like in that picture the top left um one which is so there have been three versions of that so the the current one that that Micah has installed in his home I'm assuming was the third generation one and that's what's I'm holding in my hand those are my hands by the way oh that's what I'm holding in my hand on the top left um and that's the most recent version and that has um the so it has a tangible dial um a physical dial so you can see that silver band is is you can actually twist it which is great that was kind of the feature that everyone loved about the nest because it was a smart device but it also had really easy physical inputs a lot of smart thermostats which just have digital displays people find a little tricky to use and you know a bit of a learning curve and a thermostat is like is like lights in your home it's something that everyone needs to be able to know how to use you shouldn't have to read a manual to to turn it on or turn it up so this is a great this was a great piece um feature of the nest it was on the original one which launched in 200 oh I've forgotten off the top of my head 13 years ago someone do the math 2011 um so that and it it was you know a big bang when it launched it was not Google Nest was Nest this was before Nest was bought by Google was launched by um Tony Fidel who formerly it was created by a number of people that used to work at Apple um it was sort of you know the iPhone of thermostats um so it was and it was a it has was then and still is a very sort of iconic product in the in the smart home the original I have one of the I think I have the second gen because the second gen came out pretty fast after the first gen um and was kind of the one most people would have bought um and that was a couple years later and I still have one of those working in a in a in a house like they they were built to last which is great for a product in the smart home you don't want to spend and they're expensive $250 um you know these are products that need to last and then the third gen came out about nine years ago um which was a big upgrade it made it a lot it it gave it a better screen a brighter screen more function on the screen you could also use it as a clock it had a feature called far site that as you walked towards the device would sort of shift and show you a different View some more detail as opposed to further away you could just see what the temperature was you could also set it to be a clock it had some um more sort of uh modern features because the original had been around for quite a while and there had been a lot of upgrades um in technology including thread which is a a side note that actually the original Nest thermostat is the reason thread was developed which is the new smart one of the new smart home Wireless protocols and the latest Nest does not have thread in it but this may be a separate conversation weird weird yeah and then I think the point that you were interested in here is that then after the third gen they came out with an entirely new Nest Thermostat that had no real connection to the original and was quite disappointing in many ways and that if you go back to that picture is what I'm holding in my other hand and that is just the nest thermostat as opposed to The Nest learning thermostat and basically the difference with this one was it wasn't really as smart it was just a Wi-Fi controlled thermostat it didn't have the key unique feature of the nest which is the ability to learn your heating and cooling habits like how you like your home to feel temperature-wise and adjust and create a schedule for you and constantly adapt that schedule based on how your lifestyle changes and that was a really neat feature it could sometimes go Rogue um and um I I had a few times where you know suddenly it would be Heating in the middle of a sunny afternoon but in general it it sort of manages itself so you don't have to worry about programming your thermostat and um but the new the Les Nest learning thermostat that came out in 2020 did not have that feature it was just a standard programmable thermostat that you could still control remotely and set with smart home automations and worked with nest's big feature which is home and away so the thermostat could tell if if you were home or if you're away and if you're away adjust your heating or cooling to save you money um and this was the big selling point of the nest is that it would save you on your energy bills and now we have the latest one which is a complete redesign but retains the same functionality as the original so it's physically redesigned but the software um has had improvements and some additions um but overall it's it's The Nest learning ther stat that we all know and probably love some people might not one would yeah one would think um I I know that the you know the the Eco features of the learning thermostat was really kind of important to a lot of people and so the the loss of that was kind of interesting um you know some of the the more intelligent features right yeah outside of that um what do you feel sets the fourth gen uh apart do you yeah like what what makes this something that people would because you talk about in your piece you know this is something that you keep in your home for a long time and in theory you're not upgrading every year so yeah someone is looking at buying one of these and they're on you know maybe an earlier gen sure but yeah tell us about like what set why you might want to upgrade yeah yeah um so it it looks it's got a great look um and if if you like the nest it's probably because you like the look of it and you will probably like the look of the new one I mean there are a lot of smart thermostats out there but most of them really don't look great even the ekabe which has got better in its looks still looks sort of like a smartphone app on your wall yeah so you know it it just it it really does have and I got to see it in person although the lighting and everything in the room where I got to see it wasn't great but it really it was striking it's much bigger which I think is probably a big imp upgrade for a lot of people if you like to be able to see it clearly from further away in if you have a big open plan living room you know it's going to be more obvious um it also um has matter which the original Nest learning thermostat none of the three generations of that support matter so that means it will work natively with apple home if that's something I know that might be of interest to you Micah um the The Nest The Nest Thermostat the cheaper one um does work with matter as well so they've now got two thermostats that will work with matter um I we have not heard and I have asked but I've not had an update as to whether they may one day upgrade the original the third gen to mattera um they've never said never so we're waiting to hear um so yeah so those those are a few features there are also some upgraded soft Ware features that they say are only going to be on this thermostat at launch who knows though they may one day be backported um but including like if you have a ventilation system um the new Nest learning thermostat can work with your ventilation system and with outdoor air quality and actually turn on your ventilation system when the air quality is good and turn it off when it's bad you know do sort of more smart Integrations with um with ventilation systems it also works with more systems so if you're system wasn't compatible with the last Nest Thermostat you might find that this one is although as far as I'm aware it doesn't work with variable speed units yet which is kind of a shame but there are very few smart thermostats that do so it's not that surprising um and yeah it's it's I mean I really like the UI on it now it's a lot easier to use that the third gen is a small little screen and you do most of your programming of the thermostat not that you have to do a lot of programming but when you interacting with it most of it is on the device um not in the app although with the new one there is much deeper integration with the Google home app than there was with the old one and this is another change is this just works in Google home you don't have to use the nest app oh wow which is the all the previous ones Nest learning thermostats worked in the nest app yeah that's that's been confusing too because confusing adding a secondary user required going into the uh home app and then adding them there and then going back into the nest I mean it's it's this and it's going I'm going so who wants control here I can't figure it out um and yeah it's not as um robust the control in the home app doesn't feel as robust no it's very limited very limited yeah and this now has much more integrated control in the app and then there's also this is really neat I I'm excited about this there's a solely radar in the new Nest learning thermostat whereas the original n thermostat used a p sensor so um for those not familiar the solely radar is something that's in a few of Google's products including the nest Hub second gen um and I think it's in some of the phones um not my realm um and um it is basically an advanced motion sensor so it can detect um more Precision um detection and it's the main reason it's there is for the far sight um which is where as you approach the screen changes and as you get further away it changes back and there are more details that you can add to this fast sight now it's called Dynamic fast sight and it has this really cool feature that like shows lightning if it's thunder and lightning outside shows snow if it's snowing and rain and and like it looks nice it's um yeah it's it's it's fun I like that as an up an addition you don't have to have that if you don't want it there fully customizable which is nice so you can choose exactly what you want it to show on the screen kind of like you can with your watch because it does look like a pixel watch I mean it really does and they actually said that like we were inspired by the pixel watch so which just seems a little funny to me but a pixel watch on your wall yes um it has much better sustainability features too if you know which is important in fact the battery is 100% recycled cobat Cobalt for the first time which is kind of neat um so yeah that you know it's very much designed as a sustainable product um both as the product and for what it does in your home and you can work with Nest renew which is the um dyn uh demand response if your if your electricity provider has that capability so that you can try and save more energy and more money on your electricity bills so it's yeah it's it's in terms of upgrading if you have a third gen I mean there's no real need unless you maybe have a ventilation system um and you think that would help or your system you know you have more features in your system and this one's the third gen is capable of of running but overall um if you've been want wanting to get an S thermostat and haven't um I think this new one has a lot of fun upgrades and it is not more expensive because even though it costs $280 as opposed to$ 250 um as the original it now comes with a temperature sensor um which is new they have the second generation of the nest temperature sensor um and this is what is what ecobe offers we mentioned ecobe um they're little sensors that you can put in other areas of your house other than the thermostat to help kind of balance hot and cold spots and you now get one with the thermostat whereas you didn't before and those are $40 each so actually if you do the math this one's cheaper that's true yeah so and those NE those little temperature sensors are are useful I do prefer the eab's so far in terms of the set the first gen I've tested the first geness thermostat temperature sensors and they're um they just measure temperature they don't measure occupancy and they have quite strict um time slots that you need to use and I didn't find it as flexible as the EOB ones but they are still I mean they're useful especially if you know if you're working in your office all day and your thermostat's in your hallway then you can have you put the little sensor in your office and it will help make sure that your thermostat is targeting the temperature in your office and not the temperature in the whole waythis is Twi let's start with what just happened because Google uh which is going to have an event soon uh did kind of a pre-announcement of some of its products that are maybe not as um we'll say pixel forward and you weren't going to say exciting right you wer exciting I think they're I think they're exciting to be honest um what was funny is I just uh recently moved to a new place and I was getting the um Nest thermostat in my home um connected to you know reset and then connected to my Wi-Fi and then connected to my app etc etc and within I think a day of getting it set up I opened up the app and boom up popped this prompt saying hey we've got a new Nest learning thermostat would you like this one instead oh boy luckily I didn't buy the one that's here it was already here but uh yeah so what what what did Google Google anounce yes so this was um very much a big focus on all of the Google home part of Google which really doesn't often get a lot of focus and hasn't had a lot of focus in a while so this was this was kind of Christmas comes early for smart home reporters um they announced three key things uh the first is The Nest learning thermostat which you just mentioned um that's this is the fourth generation of their iconic thermostat you know that's a word that does get thrown around a lot but I feel like it kind of applies here I mean this really was the beginning of the sort of DIY smart home movement about 12 13 years ago and it was so pretty and the new one is so pretty if you got to remember what thermostats used to look like these are really pretty um so whole new design this is um whilst it still retains a feel of the original Nest it's it's completely redesigned and it looks like a giant pixel watch on your wall um but we can go on I will go more details but just to flip through the next couple things um new Google TV for streamer 4K um so this is a new now it's a set toop box for your streaming like a chomecast but it's also a smart home hub so it's basically Google's version of Apple TV so you can stream all your shows it does act like a chomecast and it also has smart homehub capabilities so it's a Google home hub it is a mattera controller it's a thread border router so it can do all the smart home um so that's exciting that's $100 um and then the and it's also not a dongle so no more dongles no CH chomecast dongles it's a little box that sits under your TV that's kind of divided people I think it's it's an interesting design but um new chomecast remote sorry new remote that goes with the streamer and it looks just like the chomecast with Google TV Remote but is a little bigger um and also the new smart home feature on Google TV we now have a pop out smart home control panel just like you have on Apple TV so you can control your TV control your smart home through your TV and view live video streams so if someone presses Your Nest doorbell it can pop up on your TV like you can do with your Apple TV so it's very similar it has a lot it takes a lot of cues from uh from the Apple TV which is a good thing because Apple TV is great so this is a good great upgrade I think for Google home users and then the final thing which is which Google kind of underplayed a little bit but I'm most excited about is they're bringing Gemini intelligence to Google home and I say bringing as in this is not here the other two products are launching in the next month this is later this year in public preview but it's a lot of um generative AI powered features for Google home um you're going to get Nest cameras will gain the ability to not just send you an alert that says person detected or animal detected but we actually be able to process using Mo the Gemini multimodal AI process what the camera sees and present you with a caption um like a description of what the camera is seeing and that's sort of the first step and you can kind of see where that might where that could go so you know you could set up automations where a camera sees something specific like a car pulling into the driveway or a person opening the garage door you could set up home automations and this so it's a really interesting sort of upgrade for your nest cameras um they're also adding um the ability to set up smart home automations with natural language so I'd like a way for my kids to be reminded to put their bikes in the garage was the example Google used um and then Google home can set up an automation that turns on the light at the garage um broadcasts a message over Nest speaker saying kids put your bikes away um every time kids show up in the driveway between a certain time and Google home will just set this all up for you and all you need to do is say this is what I'd like you to do obviously you also need compatible devices it doesn't work magic um and then the final thing is Google Assistant itself is getting an AI overhaul similar to what we've heard is going to be happening to Amazon's Alexa um it's going to be and these are their descriptions um smarter more conversational um more capable of understanding natural language and is also going to have some new voices um on the smart home speakers so all of these uh the new Google Assistant features are coming to this Nest Smart Home displays and speakers as opposed to this is different from what you might use on your phone um or other pixel devices so specifically to the current Nest hubs and speakers so we're not getting any new Nest speakers or displays but the current ones you have are going to get more capabilities but this is all coming later this year and in public preview which is Google's version of like a beta program um and it does require nestaware subscription so you have to pay so that's it that yeah that's that's everything and we're gonna we're gonna kind of get into more detail with everything starting with the uh Nest Thermostat um and so when it comes to the nest thermostat I think it's important to kind of look at the history of what it has looked like before what it looks like now um how it kind of there's almost a an upside down bell curve right of um of of features and maybe you could if you can uh explain what Google was thinking in in sort of taking some of what it did out and then I also love that in your piece you talked about um a competitor which it's one of my favorite products that I have owned which is the um eccoe thermostat so let's start with a history um how has The Nest learning thermostat looked in the past and then kind of how has it changed in terms of features over time and what was the reaction from uh the the folks who who buy these things yeah so it it so so the original Nest looked in that looked a lot like in that picture the top left um one which is so there have been three versions of that so the the current one that that Micah has installed in his home I'm assuming was the third generation one and that's what's I'm holding in my hand those are my hands by the way oh that's what I'm holding in my hand on the top left um and that's the most recent version and that has um the so it has a tangible dial um a physical dial so you can see that silver band is is you can actually twist it which is great that was kind of the feature that everyone loved about the nest because it was a smart device but it also had really easy physical inputs a lot of smart thermostats which just have digital displays people find a little tricky to use and you know a bit of a learning curve and a thermostat is like is like lights in your home it's something that everyone needs to be able to know how to use you shouldn't have to read a manual to to turn it on or turn it up so this is a great this was a great piece um feature of the nest it was on the original one which launched in 200 oh I've forgotten off the top of my head 13 years ago someone do the math 2011 um so that and it it was you know a big bang when it launched it was not Google Nest was Nest this was before Nest was bought by Google was launched by um Tony Fidel who formerly it was created by a number of people that used to work at Apple um it was sort of you know the iPhone of thermostats um so it was and it was a it has was then and still is a very sort of iconic product in the in the smart home the original I have one of the I think I have the second gen because the second gen came out pretty fast after the first gen um and was kind of the one most people would have bought um and that was a couple years later and I still have one of those working in a in a in a house like they they were built to last which is great for a product in the smart home you don't want to spend and they're expensive $250 um you know these are products that need to last and then the third gen came out about nine years ago um which was a big upgrade it made it a lot it it gave it a better screen a brighter screen more function on the screen you could also use it as a clock it had a feature called far site that as you walked towards the device would sort of shift and show you a different View some more detail as opposed to further away you could just see what the temperature was you could also set it to be a clock it had some um more sort of uh modern features because the original had been around for quite a while and there had been a lot of upgrades um in technology including thread which is a a side note that actually the original Nest thermostat is the reason thread was developed which is the new smart one of the new smart home Wireless protocols and the latest Nest does not have thread in it but this may be a separate conversation weird weird yeah and then I think the point that you were interested in here is that then after the third gen they came out with an entirely new Nest Thermostat that had no real connection to the original and was quite disappointing in many ways and that if you go back to that picture is what I'm holding in my other hand and that is just the nest thermostat as opposed to The Nest learning thermostat and basically the difference with this one was it wasn't really as smart it was just a Wi-Fi controlled thermostat it didn't have the key unique feature of the nest which is the ability to learn your heating and cooling habits like how you like your home to feel temperature-wise and adjust and create a schedule for you and constantly adapt that schedule based on how your lifestyle changes and that was a really neat feature it could sometimes go Rogue um and um I I had a few times where you know suddenly it would be Heating in the middle of a sunny afternoon but in general it it sort of manages itself so you don't have to worry about programming your thermostat and um but the new the Les Nest learning thermostat that came out in 2020 did not have that feature it was just a standard programmable thermostat that you could still control remotely and set with smart home automations and worked with nest's big feature which is home and away so the thermostat could tell if if you were home or if you're away and if you're away adjust your heating or cooling to save you money um and this was the big selling point of the nest is that it would save you on your energy bills and now we have the latest one which is a complete redesign but retains the same functionality as the original so it's physically redesigned but the software um has had improvements and some additions um but overall it's it's The Nest learning ther stat that we all know and probably love some people might not one would yeah one would think um I I know that the you know the the Eco features of the learning thermostat was really kind of important to a lot of people and so the the loss of that was kind of interesting um you know some of the the more intelligent features right yeah outside of that um what do you feel sets the fourth gen uh apart do you yeah like what what makes this something that people would because you talk about in your piece you know this is something that you keep in your home for a long time and in theory you're not upgrading every year so yeah someone is looking at buying one of these and they're on you know maybe an earlier gen sure but yeah tell us about like what set why you might want to upgrade yeah yeah um so it it looks it's got a great look um and if if you like the nest it's probably because you like the look of it and you will probably like the look of the new one I mean there are a lot of smart thermostats out there but most of them really don't look great even the ekabe which has got better in its looks still looks sort of like a smartphone app on your wall yeah so you know it it just it it really does have and I got to see it in person although the lighting and everything in the room where I got to see it wasn't great but it really it was striking it's much bigger which I think is probably a big imp upgrade for a lot of people if you like to be able to see it clearly from further away in if you have a big open plan living room you know it's going to be more obvious um it also um has matter which the original Nest learning thermostat none of the three generations of that support matter so that means it will work natively with apple home if that's something I know that might be of interest to you Micah um the The Nest The Nest Thermostat the cheaper one um does work with matter as well so they've now got two thermostats that will work with matter um I we have not heard and I have asked but I've not had an update as to whether they may one day upgrade the original the third gen to mattera um they've never said never so we're waiting to hear um so yeah so those those are a few features there are also some upgraded soft Ware features that they say are only going to be on this thermostat at launch who knows though they may one day be backported um but including like if you have a ventilation system um the new Nest learning thermostat can work with your ventilation system and with outdoor air quality and actually turn on your ventilation system when the air quality is good and turn it off when it's bad you know do sort of more smart Integrations with um with ventilation systems it also works with more systems so if you're system wasn't compatible with the last Nest Thermostat you might find that this one is although as far as I'm aware it doesn't work with variable speed units yet which is kind of a shame but there are very few smart thermostats that do so it's not that surprising um and yeah it's it's I mean I really like the UI on it now it's a lot easier to use that the third gen is a small little screen and you do most of your programming of the thermostat not that you have to do a lot of programming but when you interacting with it most of it is on the device um not in the app although with the new one there is much deeper integration with the Google home app than there was with the old one and this is another change is this just works in Google home you don't have to use the nest app oh wow which is the all the previous ones Nest learning thermostats worked in the nest app yeah that's that's been confusing too because confusing adding a secondary user required going into the uh home app and then adding them there and then going back into the nest I mean it's it's this and it's going I'm going so who wants control here I can't figure it out um and yeah it's not as um robust the control in the home app doesn't feel as robust no it's very limited very limited yeah and this now has much more integrated control in the app and then there's also this is really neat I I'm excited about this there's a solely radar in the new Nest learning thermostat whereas the original n thermostat used a p sensor so um for those not familiar the solely radar is something that's in a few of Google's products including the nest Hub second gen um and I think it's in some of the phones um not my realm um and um it is basically an advanced motion sensor so it can detect um more Precision um detection and it's the main reason it's there is for the far sight um which is where as you approach the screen changes and as you get further away it changes back and there are more details that you can add to this fast sight now it's called Dynamic fast sight and it has this really cool feature that like shows lightning if it's thunder and lightning outside shows snow if it's snowing and rain and and like it looks nice it's um yeah it's it's it's fun I like that as an up an addition you don't have to have that if you don't want it there fully customizable which is nice so you can choose exactly what you want it to show on the screen kind of like you can with your watch because it does look like a pixel watch I mean it really does and they actually said that like we were inspired by the pixel watch so which just seems a little funny to me but a pixel watch on your wall yes um it has much better sustainability features too if you know which is important in fact the battery is 100% recycled cobat Cobalt for the first time which is kind of neat um so yeah that you know it's very much designed as a sustainable product um both as the product and for what it does in your home and you can work with Nest renew which is the um dyn uh demand response if your if your electricity provider has that capability so that you can try and save more energy and more money on your electricity bills so it's yeah it's it's in terms of upgrading if you have a third gen I mean there's no real need unless you maybe have a ventilation system um and you think that would help or your system you know you have more features in your system and this one's the third gen is capable of of running but overall um if you've been want wanting to get an S thermostat and haven't um I think this new one has a lot of fun upgrades and it is not more expensive because even though it costs $280 as opposed to$ 250 um as the original it now comes with a temperature sensor um which is new they have the second generation of the nest temperature sensor um and this is what is what ecobe offers we mentioned ecobe um they're little sensors that you can put in other areas of your house other than the thermostat to help kind of balance hot and cold spots and you now get one with the thermostat whereas you didn't before and those are $40 each so actually if you do the math this one's cheaper that's true yeah so and those NE those little temperature sensors are are useful I do prefer the eab's so far in terms of the set the first gen I've tested the first geness thermostat temperature sensors and they're um they just measure temperature they don't measure occupancy and they have quite strict um time slots that you need to use and I didn't find it as flexible as the EOB ones but they are still I mean they're useful especially if you know if you're working in your office all day and your thermostat's in your hallway then you can have you put the little sensor in your office and it will help make sure that your thermostat is targeting the temperature in your office and not the temperature in the whole way\n"