The World of Processors: A Deep Dive into CPU Performance and Streaming

As I delved deeper into the world of processors, I realized that there's more to it than just raw processing power. With the rise of single-threaded workloads and PCIe-based bottlenecks, the importance of a good processor has never been more significant. In this article, we'll explore the latest developments in the CPU market, including Team Red's latest offering and its potential impact on streaming.

My journey began with the Ryzen 3950 X, a powerful processor that boasts impressive performance numbers for single-threaded workloads. However, I didn't get to test it out myself, but I can tell you that it would do perfectly fine for most single PC streamers. The 3900 X, on the other hand, is a more affordable option that still offers excellent performance. As we move forward in time, it's clear that Team Red is committed to improving their products and pushing the boundaries of what's possible.

One of the most significant advancements in processor technology has been the improvement in single-threaded performance. This is particularly important for creators who rely on high-performance processors to get their work done efficiently. In my experience, using a processor with excellent single-threaded performance has made a significant difference in productivity and workflow. However, I know that some of you may be looking for more extreme performance numbers, especially when it comes to content creation.

Enter Team Blue's latest offering, which boasts impressive performance numbers despite being priced significantly lower than the 10,980 X processor from Intel. The performance gap between these two processors is substantial, and it's clear that Team Blue has been working hard to catch up. For most creators, however, I believe that the 24-core, 48-thread Ryzen 9 5900X is an excellent choice.

For those who are new to the world of streaming, I recommend starting with a more affordable processor like the Ryzen 5 or 7 series. These processors offer excellent performance for their price and will get you started on the right foot. However, if you're looking for extreme performance numbers, then investing in a high-end processor may be worth it.

I've had the opportunity to experiment with upscaling my Dragon Ball GT remastered DVDs using various video upscaling algorithms, including Waifu2X and anime 4K. The results are phenomenal, but I did notice that some of these algorithms were primarily using my graphics card inside the processor, which is fine if that's the fastest way to go. However, I'm eager to explore other options and see if CPU-based upscaling can offer better performance numbers.

In terms of custom water cooling loop on my system, I'll be swapping out my current setup in 2020. This will require a significant amount of time and resources, but I'm excited to get started and create something truly unique. As always, I appreciate your feedback and suggestions, which have helped shape the content you see today.

Finally, I want to thank you for watching this episode of Stream Guides and Amiable's Box. Your support means the world to me, and I'm grateful for the opportunity to share my passion with all of you. Don't forget to subscribe to our channel on YouTube or Patreon, where we'll be releasing exclusive content, including early access videos and behind-the-scenes material. We've got a lot planned for 2020, including buyers guides, tutorial series, and more.

In conclusion, the world of processors is constantly evolving, and it's essential to stay up-to-date with the latest developments. From Team Red's impressive offerings to Team Blue's affordable alternatives, there's something for everyone in this market. Whether you're a seasoned streamer or just starting out, I encourage you to explore the world of CPUs and discover what works best for your specific needs.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwell I already said I was incredibly excited for the AMD Rison 3000 launch and I was but I don't know that I've ever been more hyped to actually talk to you guys about a product launch as I have been for this thread Ripper 3000 launch not only was I excited for it for me personally this is my first time really getting hands on in my own studio with my own real workflow with thread Ripper in the first place I kind of passed over the first couple gens for a few reasons I'm going to talk about later in the video but also this is such a revolutionary launch and I really hope I'm not off-base compared to the other reviewers with saying that it is such a revolutionary launch that I really like I don't know where technology goes from here and that's both scary and very very exciting and of course I can't film anything recently without my cat Oliver talking in the video so say hello this is Oliver Ollie our new kitten he's about six months old say hi hello we're gonna get right into the thread Ripper stuff after a word from our sponsor over at antlion audio they are not one but two new mon mics in town say what the Mon mic USB makes your dreams come true clean consistent USB power premium analog to digital conversion high-quality preamp new uni-directional capsule from the mod mic Wireless and an omnidirectional capsule with the dual microphone capability a smooth sweet digital mute switch all in a USB connection there's a first time for everything you s/b and for those unafraid of analog connections the new mod Mikey uni houses the new uni directional mic capsule with noise cancellation RF shielding and a god-like signal-to-noise ratio in a convenient 3.5 millimeter analog form factor and a new mute switch pick yours up today at antlion audio.com or the link in the video description you can mod my mic any day I am a postbox welcome back to stream guides you're all on one source for streaming and content creation related you know benchmarking tutorials education I focus on making tech easier and more fun I'm a postbox I don't know hard said that you did let's talk about some thread rippers so if you're unaware AMD's thread repre line of processors which is their HED t or high-end desktop processors network workstations for high-end video production and streaming workflows they just released their first of the Zen tube architecture of the Rison 3000 series I know that's confusing it's Zen to architecture but is Rison 3000 so 3 X xx is the model numbers of the little confusing they launched two processors today specifically with a new one teased and this is with again their news into seven nanometer architect architecture which is basically a smaller die process for the little chip le'ts that are inside of the actual big processor and it's a completely new architecture in terms of how it looks overall or how its laid out overall so they have a new socket electrically from previous gen thread rippers so so far with all of AMD's stuff from risin to thread Ripper they have maintained backwards compatibility from generation to generation for other than some of the super budget boards you can run the new Rison 3000 desktop chips on the first gen and second gen writes and boards to be 450s things like that and on thread Ripper you could run second and first thread Ripper across each other as well however third gen thread Ripper has its own new electric socket meant for scalability which we'll talk about what that means in a moment which means that it's not backwards compatible and the motherboards and the CPUs aren't forwards compatible with the motherboards either so this is essentially a new platform even though physically the sockets actually basically identical on the outside which means all of your previous thread Ripper coolers still work and we'll talk about some of the cooling concerns in a little bit in the video as well I'll try to have Tam time codes linked in the video description if not on screen over here just so it makes it easier for you so the new socket is STR x4 and there has been rumored of other chipsets the new platform itself is TRX 40 but keep in mind there was a rumoured TRX 80 and WRX 80 we'll talk about that in a moment this has 88 PCIe 4.0 lanes which is a lot of lanes keep in mind that x2 99 intel's h EDT platform which is a few years old now but they keep refreshing it only has 44 so literally double plus the extra bandwidth of being PCIe 4 versus 3.0 insane that works out to roughly 72 usable PCIe lanes when you take out what's going to the chipset and things like that which means a lot of lanes for nvme fast storage for 10 gig on-board networking for super fast USB and for actual PCIe slots which I'm not a fan of how the motherboards are laid out yet but the platform's young so firstly we got the 24 Core 48 thread processor the 39 60 X with a base clock of 3.8 gigahertz and a boost clock of 4.5 gigahertz 140 Meg's of cash and this is launching for $1400 u.s. dollars retail and then we got the 32 cores 64 thread 39 70 X which has a 3.7 gigahertz boosts or bates clock a 4.5 gigahertz boost clock again and then 144 Meg's of cache launching at 2000 u.s. dollars retail and keep in mind that the 79 80 XC and the 99 80 XE originally launched and really in sold for $2,000 as well which had fewer threads then at least the 39 70 X and as you'll see in my benchmarks even the new 10 9 8 exe from their 10th chin which also just heavens embargo released today so I got to do some testing for this video as well doesn't perform as well as these chips just keep that in mind these processors support quad channel memory with up to 8 dims which is very exciting that means the lower latency for memory faster throughput faster communication to your PCIe devices all of that jazz and it can support up to 256 gigs of ram and it supports ECC on you know certain motherboards which is super exciting so let's talk about scalability of the socket real quick because they also gave us some information we could release today teasing yet another processor coming in 2020 which is a 64 core 128 thread processor 39 90 X which is a world-first for desktop processors AMD actually already has a 100 128 threads 64 core processor and their epic rome lineup and Windell over at level 1 text has actually been covering that quite a bit and they did a teardown of a dual 64 core system over on gamers nexus he's been touring the world with this awesome system but this is the first time it's been in a desktop chip and it's so counts as desktop even though it's h EDT now we have very minimal specs available to it it has a 288 megabyte cache 280 watt TDP just like these processors and then to be determined release in 2020 and with that scalability I start to wonder if that's where those rumored TRX 80 and WRX 80 chipsets for this platform that were rumored a few months back may actually come into play because they use the same socket but the platform itself has a bigger chipset which may bring 128 PCIe lanes that epic roam has over to desktop instead of the 88 which would be really nice to see for someone like me I just made a whole video detailing me trying to temporarily switch to the epic system because of the PCIe slots and I ran into some compatibility issues but specifically those lanes are what's really desirable for me so I'd love to see that they were they were also teasing eight channel memory with those rumored chipsets as well so that would be pretty cool to see but none of that is confirmed or at all like released just yet I would assume however that the 64 core hundred twenty-eight thread 29 or thirty nine ninety x processor releasing in 2020 is probably gonna have to nuuma nodes instead of one like we've had on the 24 core and 38 or 32 core processors that were taking a look at today and I'll talk about why that matters in a moment like I said this is a revolutionary launch I really don't know where the tech for this stuff goes from here especially since I know that a lot of my workflows really won't scale to 64 cores for my video editing for my video production for Photoshop for streaming none of that stuff is really gonna scale to 64 cores at all so I'm curious to see who that processor will be for that wouldn't benefit better from a more virtualization based environment over on the server side anyway but I was impressed I called early on I expected that the 24 Core 48 thread would be the like basically the threshold the highest that my workflow could actually take advantage of before you'd start to see diminishing returns and if you remember the second gen thread Ripper there 30 core 32 core processor the 2990 WX actually had a lot of performance regressions on Windows which we'll talk about in a moment but this isn't actually the case in a lot of situations the 32 core processor actually does see a little bit of scaled performance over the 24 core it's not a significant amount and I still at the 24 core is definitely the best value processor for the performance for most people especially being $600 steeper but I was impressed to see that performance did continue climbing with the 32 core in many situations so before we dive into the nitty-gritty I did want to just remind you in case you're unaware this is stream guides my coverage does primarily focused on live streaming content creation and you know creative fields not gaming I in fact I'm not doing any gaming benchmarks whatsoever I if you if you could see how destroyed my apartment got just from trying to do the minimal benchmarking that I have the capacity to do both from just being one person being limited on time and as you can see it literally took my entire apartment including my TV to set up all the different workstations to benchmark this to get as much data as I could gaming benchmarks just were completely off the table I highly recommend go checking out level 1 text or gamers Nexus 4 gaming based benchmarks cuz they're gonna do a better job than I will they have more resources and more capability to test a lot more games and it's just not something I'm gonna be doing alright are you ready for some serious data well probably not as serious as you might be expecting but some awesome data let's jump in with the one synthetic test that I run cuz I don't really do synthetic tests I'm all about the practical you know real world benchmarking but running Cinebench which is a 3d rendering based benchmark based on cinema 4d that is been industry standard for testing a lot of multi-core processors for a long time there's two versions people are running now r15 which is a little bit older and is immensely tackled by these processors in fact r15 rendered pretty much instantly with both of these thread rippers and then there's our 20 which is a newer one designed to really punish these higher core challenge processors a little bit more to give a more fair you know longer-term benchmark r15 these processors dominate literally everything both in on the included sample processors in sentiment as well as everything I could run it against and the 39 70 X is significantly better than its previous you know the previous generation 32 429 90 WX this shows just how different that performance is as it is significantly better than even last gens 32 core on our 20 which is again a little bit harder a little bit more multi thread optimized these processors are still dominating the 39 70 X is even beating a dual Xeon Platinum 81-68 at a total of 96 threads it is beating that combination as well which is absolutely bonkers loading up into handbrake which is a video encoding transcoding program that can handle x264 x265 vp9 a few other formats I run the Syntel video file which is at 4k a 24 FPS movie i transcoded to x264 and x265 it's provided by a blender and on h.264 both of the CPUs are actually pretty close to each other and both of them destroy just absolutely destroy Intel's 36 thread 1098 Exe even overclocked running on custom water cooling by up to 34 percent difference that is insane and it's closer to half of the time taken to to the transcoding than the 3900 X that I have in my main rig at the moment and even the 2990 WX which actually scales pretty well for handbrake but more so on Linux than on Windows and this was all tested on Windows of course under h.265 which is a lot slower and a lot more intense to run on software and most people don't typically recommend using it on software when there's graphics card accelerated h.265 in the first place but it's still a good benchmark to show just because of how intense it is again the 3970 x is 37 percent faster than the 10 9 8 exe which is insane it is 67% faster than the 2990 WX on windows was what yeah I had to rerun that because that is some insane speed the difference between the 39 70 X and the 39 60s is much more significant on the x265 render than the x264 render and that's just because it requires so much more multi-threading and speed in order to process it now these are not all of the you know codecs that you might want to test for multi-threaded CPUs and specifically I'm thinking of a v1 and vp9 that I would love to run through benchmarking on these processors and really start testing as they become more and more of a realistic use case for real time and you know project archive importing I'll have a whole separate video documenting that stuff as I have time in the future another reminder to get subscribed maybe all right let's take a look at some of the Puget systems test Puget systems is a system integrator that does a lot of fine tuning and performance testing and building for clients to build workstation processors and movie studios and production houses and individual creators like Bartok Lee's is a big fan of their system and so they have actually released some of their testing Suites for Adobe apps and other programs like that and so I've been using some of their Adobe app benchmarking for my own use cases because they test a lot more of the things that I might not test in my sample projects that represent my specific workflow and it's just a standardized automated thing that saves me a lot of freaking time running their Adobe Photoshop on CC 20/20 their their benchmark their the thread rippers three thousand processors absolutely kick-ass but the difference is close enough that both the 3900 X on the desktop Munim non HD DT side and then Intel's 1098 exe are more than competitive enough if you have those or we're getting those for other reasons you're still gonna have an absolutely great time in Photoshop on those specific processors the 3970 X and 3960 X actually trade blows depending on the tests it is not fully scaled up you know the more cores did not have automatically equal a lot more performance so the trade-off there may not be worth it 3960 x is the sweet spot for photoshop for sure well we showed one cat in the video apparently we have to show both this is our other cat Remy I guess this is for those of you who are new to the channel I show them off pretty often you can't stay out of my lap today all right running their After Effects benchmark which I actually had to go back to After Effects CC 2019 instead of the 20/20 suite because for whatever reason the benchmark isn't working on CC 20/20 the same as before you see linear scaling from the 3600 X all the way up to the 39 70 X still a decent leap overall from the score of the 1098 exe by you know a good amount here but the individual scores you know that's for the overall score the individual scores are actually a lot closer to the 10 9 ad AXI and again trading blows with the 3960 exit is not an even performance scale from 24 cores the 32 cores running on premier pros 2020 version which has a lot of performance updates and I really haven't had time to dig into those but a lot of people have been saying that it performs significantly better although a lot of that is GPU based I've been obsessing both of these systems on my aura TX Titan for an even playing field as well as my 3900 X but testing hugest benchmark on Premiere Pro 2020 this actually breaks the norm of the other benchmarks where you saw you know it was close enough for the 3900 X and the 1098 exe we're still more than good enough in the premiere test the two thread ripper chips absolutely destroyed the 3900 X and the ten nine eight Exe and even the 2990 WX by a longshot it's actually pretty ridiculous in the 39 70 X clearly beats the 39 60 X now I did want to note that again the 10 9 8 exe and the 2990 WX were running on an RT X 20 atti instead of my RT X Titan but this actually shows that the GPU isn't fully relevant because the 10 9 8 exe on the 28 et I was still beating my 3900 X on the Titan so if it was fully GPU reliant the Titan would carry the 3900 X to victory that didn't happen here they also have a benchmark for DaVinci Resolve which is really cool I did not know about this I would have been testing this a long time ago but they have their own DaVinci Resolve studio benchmark been talking about DaVinci Resolve as a great video editor that actually has a free version it is some of the most reliable and highest performing video editing software you can use as long as your needs can fit within the more limited package compared to Adobe's full CC suite I tested with two codecs HNH well basically I built a small five five and a half minute project that represents what one of my videos might look like so I've got a plethora of different codecs as source footage h.264 recorded from a variety of different sources such as from a camera from OBS from a Game Capture I've got an h.265 source GoPro Sena form codec D and xhr codec ProRes codec Blackmagic Raw I've got transitions I've got Clips over top of each other I've got denoising applied to one or two of them I've got a warp stabiliser effect applied to a couple of them and I have a lot applied to a couple of or a few of the clips I'll put together in this one package to represent what one of my videos might look like without running these as a multi our tests that I was doing before and then I rendered that out to an h.264 file not using in Vinc and to in a dnx HR file at HQ 8-bit and i typically also included a Sinha form test however a couple of my rigs were not we're crashing on the Sena forum render for some reason and I really didn't have the time to figure it out so I'm omitting that here but the Sinha form is usually somewhat on par with the dn xhr renders but the dn xhr codec just scales to multi threads way more than most of the others even pro resins in a form so there would be a performance difference here and I also included a second entry for the 39 60 X using my RT X 2080 in place of the RT X Titan just to show how big of a difference the GPU makes and the results were pretty close but you can see you know how they turned out here I I'm still super super happy with the difference to these thread repair chips but maybe not from the 39 60 X to the 39 70 X again if you have the 39 70 X those 32 pores certainly aren't gonna slow you down there's no regression here but you're done you know you're not getting necessarily 600 extra dollars worth of performance because that's almost the full price of a 39 50 X so I also wanted to test Plex as you guys know Plex is a recurring sponsor here on my channel it is a great all-in-one solution for managing your digital media files organizing them streaming them to multiple devices and family and friends and things like that fantastic service I have a full tutorial series up on my channel link to the description below as well as affiliate links to get a Plex pass and blah blah blah blah blah I talk about this all the time I will have a full breakout video detailing these tests in more detail and doing more testing because I found some interesting results that I wasn't able to fully follow up on in this video but I was able to I made a video on the past talking about how surprisingly difficult it was to transcode a 4k blu-ray rip to 1080p or to other devices that couldn't play it natively both my 6900 K which was my best processor at the time and my dual X 55 60 or 50 650 Xeon rig both of them were just unable to do it whatsoever and I've struggled on a lot of hardware and I'll come to say I already came to some conclusions and the follow-up to that video about why this was a ridiculous use case in the first place but people are still looking for that and as the new transcoder that Plex developing introduces her2 SDR transcoding suddenly 4k blu-ray transcoding makes sense because previously you'd have a gray washed out image because it's not tone mapping the HDR footage well the 39 60 X and the 39 70 X both handled 4k blu-ray transcoding at least for one stream without a hitch whatsoever and I wasn't even heavily using the processor that much and I started up cueing up multiple ones I was able to go at 4k blu-ray a 1080p blu-ray side-by-side no problems and I was able to start queuing up a couple more transcodes but I was doing all of this on one client on one PC and for whatever reason Plex itself was just stalling out trying to load the file multiple times that may be due to it all being on one computer and like I said I will be testing this more in the future but given the actual CPU thread usage and the performance you were getting I could easily see you getting up to like 4 or 5 4k transcodes going at once on the CPU without it even really breaking a sweat so that plus a few 1080p ones and if you already have an Nvidia graphics card in there for some of that hardware accelerated transcoding you would have an incredible Plex machine with one of these thread repre processors but like I said I will have to test that more in a future video but if you're interested in that data things are looking very good on the Flex front I did also want to note that I did run both the 39 60 X and 39 70 X along with my 3900 X through blenders official benchmark which seems fairly new I didn't know this existed before this testing I don't have any other additional data to compare it to for comparison but if you see those benchmarks floating around for other processors or you go online and view other benchmarks I may try to pull some into my charts and just note which ones aren't for me here you have the tests just so you have that information available because I did want to cover blender I just didn't have a whole lot to throw it up against so there you go moving on all right well this is stream guides so what about streaming performance holy cow guys I put this off a little longer in the video just because of how insane these results are like I had to I I had to completely reinvent streaming benchmarks for formats that no platform currently supports and that virtually no one is streaming because of how insane these processors are if you are looking for processors that will you to single or dual PC stream 1080p60 Onslow in virtually any game look no further both of these processors will do you you're good to go literally anything I threw at it for 1080p 60 slow single PC streaming and keep in mind dual PC streaming would be even lighter no dropped frames no skip frames keep in mind I was running OBS as admin for the render lag fix I cover this in a video linked in the description below but between that fix and the power of this processor x264 slow at 1080p 60 was literally just possible for everything now I still don't encourage people to use slow presets for x264 I have a whole video about this I'm actually going to be doing an update video to this probably sometime in January or February because I think I have a better stance to kind of angle it to make it make a little bit more sense but it can do that on everything so what what what if we went further what if we went beyond what if we went to a whole new level well that's what I decided to do a lot of people have been pinging me on Twitter and sending me clips on Twitch because people have started experimenting with streaming 120fps to twitch and I have a whole video coming about extra details associated with that but just talking about raw performance here oh my god it's actually possible without just a graphics card and this is on a single PC setup single PC streaming while you're gaming on the same system both CPUs can do 1080p 120 FPS at x264 medium single PC streaming with minimal hiccups the biggest ones being in rocket League and csgo virtually all the games have like point one percent frame skips or frame drops from encoding lag which is not much more than you might encounter during a normal long livestream so they're technically was a little bit of encoding overload but nothing that would actually be like a consistent noticeable problem for your viewers by any stretch 1080p 120 FPS medium x264 preset 100% doable in probably most games what now pushing that further and again I don't recommend people do this in the first place but it's still something to benchmark that people will ask about 1080p 120 FPS at slow is still a problem in pretty much every game except pub G specifically on the 39 60 X the 39 70 acts actually saw regressions here in terms of performance compared to the 39 60 X at 1080p on or 20 fps slow in some games because more cores is not always better I've talked at length about how x264 is only able to scale to so many cores based on your resolution and the 64 threads of the 39 70 X is just too much to really see a performance increase and so you actually start to see a performance decrease but again slow and any slower preset than that or not designed to be run in real time in the first place and you actually run into a situation where you're testing this where you don't actually see high CPU usage it might be around 8 or 10% but you're still getting just constant encoding lag and that's just because the processor is unable to keep up with those render targets of how quickly it needs to render and encode each of those frames and it just can't keep up at all even though it's not like maxing out the CPU or anything because it's not really how it works now locking down with read limiting you know like I've talked about in previous videos locking down the number of threads that x264 can utilize on the 3970 X might fix some of your issues here if you already have one but certainly don't go buying one expecting this to make things better ok that's 120 FPS what if we go higher res I've mentioned before but if people already think that 1080p is okay to stream and only 6 megabits per second when most people a lot of us agree that that's not a high enough bitrate for 1080p well then I would think that with a max bitrate of 10 megabits per second for mixer that some people are gonna start wanting to push 1440p to it so how does that streaming situation turn out 1440p 60 at X - 6 or medium was perfectly fine and pub G apex legends modern warfare dota 2 and counter-strike go on both machines Tekken 7 gave some issues though I wouldn't recommend streaming on the slower CPU usage presets on a single PC stream for a fighting game anyway because those are so frame specifics sensitive that I don't think the fighting community whatever support doing something like that but it did give some issues at 1440p 60 medium 1440p 60 slow was mostly not a good idea whatsoever and again it performed alright in some games but did see a regression again on the 3970 x where you actually saw a lot more missed frames or dropped frames than you did on the 3960 x alright let's push one step beyond what if we made this a dedicated streaming rig which would be entirely overkill for a single stream but what if we made it a dedicated streaming rig and tried out for K streaming what about that well as a dedicated rig just in case that wasn't obvious 1080p60 slow was totally flawless can totally do it 1440p meaty 1440p 60 medium was alright about what I expected given the other results well single PC streaming 1440p 60 slow still was not doable I tried as a joke 720p slower on the 39 60 X because every time I test these higher core count processors people start asking well which one can do slower or slowest or placebo the answer is none of them again none of these slower presets are designed to be run real time and they pretty much can't be more hardware does not actually fix this it's not meant to be run real time there are certain actual flags in those presets which would make it virtually impossible to be run real time no matter how much processing power.you mad so what about 4k well very fast was perfect on both processors but even going down to faster starts pulling up encoding lag fast is pretty much unusable and there's no way you could run 4k medium this was kind of disappointing and this shows where you really start to hit diminishing returns for CPU encoding for live-streaming we're even with 64 threads at pretty high clock speeds 4k is just too much and this is where people really need to start leveraging GPU encoding a lot more I have a whole video detailing my 4k streaming workflow for my streamer news video or live streaming show where I should in 4k using my Titan r-tx graphics card and why GPU encoding is you know important for that workflow and also I have other videos detailing why in Vinc on the Turing cards and the 1660 1660 ti 1660 super and 1650 super too many excuse the name now all have better in Vinc than previous generations which actually competes with x264 medium and fast that's making it the best option for these higher resolution streams especially since you're gonna be throwing a higher bitrate at it anyway so really this is the future of streaming this processor is able to do everything people are streaming now and even formats that people just aren't even going to be streaming for the next five years or that we won't see take mainstream for maybe even 10 years this is the future of live streaming technology and this is part of the reason why I keep saying I don't really know what the next level here is because even you know with these presets and stuff there is no higher level to gain it just 4k is still out of reach but I don't know if it will be in reach it would be really interesting if I was able to get a sample for the 64 core thread Ripper I don't know if AMD will send me one they didn't send me 239 50x but if I do get my hands on it it would be interesting to see if maybe those extra cores did actually help it to stream 4k but I don't know any questions about additional streaming tests because this is just amazing I will have additional benchmarks in general coming so if you want me to test other things for streaming by all means sound off in the comments below but I am just blown away let's talk about the differences in the technology for a moment again time codes if you're not interested in that are linked on screen and in the description but the this news into architecture did move to a seven nanometer CCD or a little chip tlit based design process which means instead of one big processor die you have a bunch of little chip 'lets surrounding and iodine which handles your memory your PCIe lanes things like that this means that they also have even spacing around the memory and the PCIe throughput so that there's no latency problems or the Numa node issues that we had in second rin in first gen Rison and thread ripper which caused some performance problems especially early on before they got the software side you know worked out this is evenly spaced which in theory makes it actually easier to cool as well and keeps performance and latency up or latency down I guess and just also improves memory compatibility some older isin and thread Ripper Braddock's had some memory compatibility issues that is significantly better on both Rison and thread Ripper this generation you're also looking at better single core performance on thread Ripper this time around for once for pretty much the first time in a very long time you can have your HED tea workstation based hardware and all of the great enormous multi-threading performance that comes with that without losing any single core gaming performance which is bonkers again actual gaming benchmarks go check out level one texture gamers Nexus but oh man these are still great for gaming as well which is pretty crazy typically big multi-core processors like this lose out on single thread performance and that keeps up here these chips are also more power efficient and they have PCIe 4.0 which means so much more bandwidth for Devices and throughput and things like that which is as someone who needs a lot of expansion cards and a lot of high-speed data for my uncompressed video reading and writing and all of my crazy projects thank ya you will hear me mention a few times in this video a topic about Numa nodes this stands for non-uniform memory access which is basically the way that the different parts of the processors because for example I mentioned this is divided up into multiple chip --let's usually four Triplets of six to eight cores for these thread rippers in previous generations they were divided into two Numa nodes which meant that one of the virtual processors basically this is a not entirely accurate but dumbed down explanation one of the virtual processors had to communicate through the other in order to access memory or ban or iodine things things like that which meant that specifically the last generation thread Ripper the 2970 X and the 2990 WX actually saw significant performance regressions on Windows because but that the windows scheduler was not able to account for that and you just saw a lot where literally the 2950 X was beating both of those higher-end processors on Windows on Linux it was a little bit more improved in specific applications but it was still a tough sell and there were still some issues with that that is completely resolved here in this generation a thread Ripper the scalability is totally there and you can actually notice that they were confident enough in that fact by launching the 16-core 3950 acts as a risin ship instead of a thread repres I think this allowed for them to do that MD has also worked with windows to improve the scheduler in the first place for rising 3000 and made it all one Numa node so that you know all of that is very much improved speaking of the 2990 WX and it's all of its performance regressions I actually have a server project coming soon with one of those so get subscribed for that if you're interested I haven't returned to my server city series in a little while I've been very busy but I'm stoked let's talk about motherboards and the platform in general before we wrap up here the press kit came with two specific motherboards but obviously there will be more at launch I just don't have access to that information at this point in time I received the asus rog zenith two extreme and the msi creator TRX 40 motherboards both of them are great both of them are EA TX I believe the zenith two extreme has eight DIMM slots up to 256 gigs Mac's supports ECC and non-ecc memory up to 4600 megahertz officially supported that is an overclock but that is really fast it has three onboard m2 slots to are on the front one is on the back I would not recommend putting a PCIe 4.0 Drive on that back one because it will get no airflow and it won't support the thicker heat sinks and you'll see a lot of throttling there but still good for a gen 3-1 or a 3.0 one and then it has the dim - sled which can support up to two more empty drives for a total of five nvme storage or eat or SATA if you want it does support the SATA MDOT two storage drives which is bonkers I plan on taking full advantage of that and I'll talk about that in a moment it has four PCIe 4.0 x 16 size slot with to be in x16 to be an X 8 or X 8 X 4 it has four USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports 7 USB 3.2 gin 2 ports 1 USB 3.2 gin 2 X 2 which is 20 gigabits per second there call it some of the platforms are calling this Lightning USB even though that's Apple's connector and this is to avoid it being Thunderbolt even though lightning is still Apple's name like thunderbolt I don't know what's going on here I don't know why Thunderbolt keeps getting excluded from these desktop platforms it needs to stop Thunderbolt please and then it has three USB 2 warts which is actually still important to include it has Wi-Fi six an Intel Gigabit LAN port and in a quantity a 10 Gigabit LAN which I will be taking full advantage of having that onboard saves me one of my needed slots so I can have more expansion without a 10 gigabit nic and it has bluetooth 5.0 it has two USB 3.0 gen2 type-c front panel connectors for maximum input and output two cases that I'm pretty sure don't exist yet but you could add your own I did modify one of my previous cases with USB C as eight SATA ports has three 12-volt CPU power ports one is a six pin and two or eight pins and you need at least two of them connected or you're gonna get errors at boot and probably have some stability errors due to how much power this draw is is redonkulous has some usual rog sonic sound card stuff it's a ATX size it has active fans on the VRM which is pretty cool it takes crazy high loads to actually kick in so no extra noise other than when it's necessary but there is a shroud over top of it to keep the airflow moving when the fans are running but this actually impedes passive cooling so if and when the fans die you might actually run into more cooling problems here which is a little concerning those fans are really tiny the fan on the chipset actually takes a lot to kick in as well and it's fairly quiet in my testing there seems to be a fair amount of fan headers although the AIO water pump header is in the all the way on the bottom right which just seems really far away for some reason but whatever there's a power button an easy reprogrammable button that by default is just set to reset and then there's a freaking LED display on the little i/o vrm bridge that shows your different boot states so when it's going through memory CPU vga through your boot process and then otherwise just sits there showing your cpu tips which is freaking awesome keep in mind those cpu tips are measured at the actual the socket itself versus the die so that it's gonna be a little less accurate like I noticed the 10 to 15 Celsius difference between what that was reading and versus hardw hardware info with hardware info reading hotter temperatures the MSI creator TRX 40 has similar ran RAM support and RAM requirements ECC nan 82 CC 256 gigs it says it's rated up to 46 66 megahertz which is a little faster I don't know what Ram kits you're actually running for that but if you're doing some crazy overclocking there you go it has the great finned BRM so that's nice 2z it only has 2 cpu power plugs but they will both be needed again Wi-Fi 6 gigabit and 10 gigabit lan the 20 gigabit per second USB Lightning USB again what's the heck's going on with that you've got 5 USB 3.2 gin 2 ports for USB 3.2 gin 1 4 PCIe slots again 2 X 16 2 X 8 but there are full 16 sized slots which is necessary to only 2 onboard and m2 slots instead of 3 but then it has it comes with the dual slot add-in card for up to 4.2 nvme drives which you can then rate up together and it has active cooling which will work really well for those gin for nvme drives which is really cool so I will talk about that in a moment and then it only has one front USB see 3.2 gen 2 header and then as the normal debug LED readout and power and reset buttons both motherboards have RGB header support although I noticed on the Asus board when I connected the dim to sled it actually blocked it has to like three or four different RGB headers but the ones up by the RAM slots the dim die to sled actually blocked one of the RGB headers that I was using for my test bench so that was annoying and weird but the boards are very cramped these are nice motherboards they seem high-quality they support a lot of things that the more gaming enthusiast market might want but I'm still waiting on the equivalent to my Asus sage workstation X $2.99 board I had a couple years ago that's been in my main rig up until a month or so ago that I kept talking about and showing off where I have like 7 x16 size slots and then the M twos moved out of the way take the m2 vertically like that one would that would actually be better for the gin for SSDs that had the big beefy heat sinks because as is the big beefy heat sinks actually prevent you from putting some expansion cards in the PCIe slots because whatever shroud or whatever from those expansion cards gets blocked by the height of those PCIe or those m2 coolers and so having them vertically mounted or the cooler is facing outward fixes that clearance issue and that gets more airflow on them so I don't know why more motherboards aren't doing that I I don't know I would like to see more of that makes it for a better airflow there's still no direct Thunderbolt 3 as I mentioned don't know what's going on with that I it might be doable if you can get a hacky workaround without the pins I know Wendell was working on some of that for thread refer to but nothing officially supported but we'll have to see what asrock or gigabyte are doing but I'm still disappointed in that when I was listening my dream you know expansion and PCIe layout I wanted all seven x16 slots like on my workstation board tin Gigabit Ethernet and Thunderbolt three on board and we're not getting the Thunderbolt 3 or USB for if it was just us before you know looking future forward that would be great talking about cooling briefly I don't have super hard scientific numbers just kind of anecdotal evidence of the coolers that I was testing AMD actually sent everybody the Kraken X 62 280 I believe millimeter a IO but that's not ATR for specific cooler so it didn't actually the cold plate doesn't actually cover the full IHS of the processors and with the new chip 'lets being spaced out as far as they are I don't want to use a cooler that doesn't cover the processor fully I just I literally didn't even open it instead I went with the interact slick tech TR 4 to 360 with addressable RGB I know it will gunk up although in term access gen 2 shouldn't but gamers Nexus says it will we may do some real iqua ting of them soon to prevent them from gunking up you may see that in a future level in texas or my video i also picked up the dark rock pro TR 4 because i prefer these quiet or air coolers the dark brach pro 4 or TR 4 was significantly like exponentially quieter and then the interacts cooler but there was a pretty significant temperature difference now the dark rock cooler is rated for 250 watts of TDP and the processors are rated at 280 and the inter max is rated for a whopping 500 watts of TDP for some reason but either way I'm planning on going with the dark rock unless I run into significant cooling problems the dark rock cooler up front in my case I can keep the silence and then I will be looking forward to a custom loop all in one liquid cooling setup not all in one a custom loop liquid cooling setup for the processor and my super hot temperature wise Titan RDX graphics card in 2020 so take it stay tuned for that I know I said I wasn't gonna do one we're doing one honestly this thread Ripper platform is one of those platforms where you can have it last your entire like 10 years of work not like five or more years of work without ever needing to change it that's how crazy it is so I feel confident in setting it up as a liquid-cooled workstation to then not need to change it out anymore and I'll just do additional testing in work benches or test benches conclusion time this has been a really long video there's a lot of information here but this is truly I consider it a revolutionary launch I don't know how desktop computing can get any better at this point I don't believe 64 cores is actually gonna make it any better I don't believe we need then this performance jump is unlike anything we've seen in decades however things could start to get interesting because all this means is that Intel the sleeping giant is truly about to wake up ideally any minute now and whatever they actually start making once they do wake up and once they do start taking things to the next level is going to be truly insane whatever they actually bring forward to respond to this like this the competition's about to get real y'all this is going to be in same for streamers if you want to make this kind of investment it it's an insane performance value for your money like it's in them sane investment and it will last you for a very long time I covered the future looking streaming formats if this was your streaming rig like you won't have to upgrade for streaming purposes for a ridiculously long time but it is a big investment the 39 60 X is nearly double the cost up front of the 39 50 X just for the processor not including the motherboards which are probably more expensive I don't actually have costs on hand for the motherboards but I imagine they would be more expensive and the 3950 X which I didn't get to test but I know you know extrapolating from the 3900 X onward it would do perfectly fine for most single PC streamers and it would definitely do fantastic as a dedicated streaming Rick probably already overkill for that purpose and plus as I mentioned for some of these more hardcore streaming formats envy Inc is the way to go but for video production and creative work in general this is in same performance it is great to see that the Numa node situation and single thread performance has been improved greatly and fixed and this is why I hadn't pushed you know 1st and 2nd gen thread Ripper arisin very much because they had all of these weird memory compatibility and latency and Numa node issues and I wasn't comfortable recommending them super hardcore but both now third-gen Rison and thread ripper I am fully on board the team red train at least in terms of you know the insane push that they are making and I am super stoked to see what Team Blue has to offer next once they actually start releasing new stuff for a three to four hundred dollar difference over the ten hundred ten nine eight exe from Intel I would say that the performance difference is definitely worth it especially if you're someone who needs the PCIe bandwidth and throughput because you have 4.0 you have doubled the PCIe lanes I ran into a lot of pcie-based bottlenecks on my Intel systems for me that kind of upgrade ability is worth it but since they did half the price of the 10 980 to only a thousand bucks it's still some pretty good performance power in there it's up to you to decide which team you might want to go with there is a much longer and more stable platform of X 299 at this point and that matters to a lot of people I know for a long time Linus for his actual video editors he was only upgrading to previous shin or a gin before that hardware every time he upgraded them that way he got the most stable platforms and there's something to be said for that and the same thing you know X 299 has been out for three years now it's pretty stable and the motherboard ecosystem is very strongly there and those aces workstation and sage motherboards I kept talking about I highly recommend for that purpose 24 Core 48 thread 39 60 X is definitely the sweet spot for most creators I don't believe the $600 upgrade to the 32 core is gonna be worth it for most workflows I'm picturing if you have one that you think it would be more worth it for sound off in the comments below for me I'm actually gonna be using the 24 core the 32 core is gonna be reserved for more dedicated encoding tasks or something like that speaking of which I will have a dedicated benchmarking video coming in the future covering waifutwo X and the anime 4k and those video 2 X those other video upscaling algorithms that have been becoming super popular I'm actually really happy with the results I've been experimenting with upscaling my Dragon Ball GT remastered DVDs and the results it produces are phenomenal however I keep running into situations where it's primarily using my graphics card inside of the processor which is fine if that's the fastest way to go then so be it I do want to mention that but I want to see if CPU is a better way to go for whatever reason if these higher thread count CPUs would actually kick some serious ass for those purposes do let me know what more stream guides and you know tutorial or benchmarking coverage of these processors you guys want to see this revolutionary I want to get as much information and testing and just crazy use case scenarios going as possible for you guys let me know in the comments down below what you want to see again stay tuned for custom water cooling loop on my system when I swap this over here in 2020 a lot more awesome content coming in the future this has eaten up a ridiculous amount of time so I've kind of got to stabilize my workflow a bit and of course we have the Thanksgiving holiday this week so a lot going on here and I do want to try to get at least one or two holiday related videos like buyers guides or something's have been requested quite a few times over for you guys will see as I can get at all of this thank you so much for watching this extremely lengthy episode of stream guides amiable's box you guys are amazing go subscribe on float plane or patreon to get early access to videos and behind-the-scenes content and we'll be covering navi's encoder updates very soon too that's been very much requested I'll let you get out of here I'll see you next timewell I already said I was incredibly excited for the AMD Rison 3000 launch and I was but I don't know that I've ever been more hyped to actually talk to you guys about a product launch as I have been for this thread Ripper 3000 launch not only was I excited for it for me personally this is my first time really getting hands on in my own studio with my own real workflow with thread Ripper in the first place I kind of passed over the first couple gens for a few reasons I'm going to talk about later in the video but also this is such a revolutionary launch and I really hope I'm not off-base compared to the other reviewers with saying that it is such a revolutionary launch that I really like I don't know where technology goes from here and that's both scary and very very exciting and of course I can't film anything recently without my cat Oliver talking in the video so say hello this is Oliver Ollie our new kitten he's about six months old say hi hello we're gonna get right into the thread Ripper stuff after a word from our sponsor over at antlion audio they are not one but two new mon mics in town say what the Mon mic USB makes your dreams come true clean consistent USB power premium analog to digital conversion high-quality preamp new uni-directional capsule from the mod mic Wireless and an omnidirectional capsule with the dual microphone capability a smooth sweet digital mute switch all in a USB connection there's a first time for everything you s/b and for those unafraid of analog connections the new mod Mikey uni houses the new uni directional mic capsule with noise cancellation RF shielding and a god-like signal-to-noise ratio in a convenient 3.5 millimeter analog form factor and a new mute switch pick yours up today at antlion audio.com or the link in the video description you can mod my mic any day I am a postbox welcome back to stream guides you're all on one source for streaming and content creation related you know benchmarking tutorials education I focus on making tech easier and more fun I'm a postbox I don't know hard said that you did let's talk about some thread rippers so if you're unaware AMD's thread repre line of processors which is their HED t or high-end desktop processors network workstations for high-end video production and streaming workflows they just released their first of the Zen tube architecture of the Rison 3000 series I know that's confusing it's Zen to architecture but is Rison 3000 so 3 X xx is the model numbers of the little confusing they launched two processors today specifically with a new one teased and this is with again their news into seven nanometer architect architecture which is basically a smaller die process for the little chip le'ts that are inside of the actual big processor and it's a completely new architecture in terms of how it looks overall or how its laid out overall so they have a new socket electrically from previous gen thread rippers so so far with all of AMD's stuff from risin to thread Ripper they have maintained backwards compatibility from generation to generation for other than some of the super budget boards you can run the new Rison 3000 desktop chips on the first gen and second gen writes and boards to be 450s things like that and on thread Ripper you could run second and first thread Ripper across each other as well however third gen thread Ripper has its own new electric socket meant for scalability which we'll talk about what that means in a moment which means that it's not backwards compatible and the motherboards and the CPUs aren't forwards compatible with the motherboards either so this is essentially a new platform even though physically the sockets actually basically identical on the outside which means all of your previous thread Ripper coolers still work and we'll talk about some of the cooling concerns in a little bit in the video as well I'll try to have Tam time codes linked in the video description if not on screen over here just so it makes it easier for you so the new socket is STR x4 and there has been rumored of other chipsets the new platform itself is TRX 40 but keep in mind there was a rumoured TRX 80 and WRX 80 we'll talk about that in a moment this has 88 PCIe 4.0 lanes which is a lot of lanes keep in mind that x2 99 intel's h EDT platform which is a few years old now but they keep refreshing it only has 44 so literally double plus the extra bandwidth of being PCIe 4 versus 3.0 insane that works out to roughly 72 usable PCIe lanes when you take out what's going to the chipset and things like that which means a lot of lanes for nvme fast storage for 10 gig on-board networking for super fast USB and for actual PCIe slots which I'm not a fan of how the motherboards are laid out yet but the platform's young so firstly we got the 24 Core 48 thread processor the 39 60 X with a base clock of 3.8 gigahertz and a boost clock of 4.5 gigahertz 140 Meg's of cash and this is launching for $1400 u.s. dollars retail and then we got the 32 cores 64 thread 39 70 X which has a 3.7 gigahertz boosts or bates clock a 4.5 gigahertz boost clock again and then 144 Meg's of cache launching at 2000 u.s. dollars retail and keep in mind that the 79 80 XC and the 99 80 XE originally launched and really in sold for $2,000 as well which had fewer threads then at least the 39 70 X and as you'll see in my benchmarks even the new 10 9 8 exe from their 10th chin which also just heavens embargo released today so I got to do some testing for this video as well doesn't perform as well as these chips just keep that in mind these processors support quad channel memory with up to 8 dims which is very exciting that means the lower latency for memory faster throughput faster communication to your PCIe devices all of that jazz and it can support up to 256 gigs of ram and it supports ECC on you know certain motherboards which is super exciting so let's talk about scalability of the socket real quick because they also gave us some information we could release today teasing yet another processor coming in 2020 which is a 64 core 128 thread processor 39 90 X which is a world-first for desktop processors AMD actually already has a 100 128 threads 64 core processor and their epic rome lineup and Windell over at level 1 text has actually been covering that quite a bit and they did a teardown of a dual 64 core system over on gamers nexus he's been touring the world with this awesome system but this is the first time it's been in a desktop chip and it's so counts as desktop even though it's h EDT now we have very minimal specs available to it it has a 288 megabyte cache 280 watt TDP just like these processors and then to be determined release in 2020 and with that scalability I start to wonder if that's where those rumored TRX 80 and WRX 80 chipsets for this platform that were rumored a few months back may actually come into play because they use the same socket but the platform itself has a bigger chipset which may bring 128 PCIe lanes that epic roam has over to desktop instead of the 88 which would be really nice to see for someone like me I just made a whole video detailing me trying to temporarily switch to the epic system because of the PCIe slots and I ran into some compatibility issues but specifically those lanes are what's really desirable for me so I'd love to see that they were they were also teasing eight channel memory with those rumored chipsets as well so that would be pretty cool to see but none of that is confirmed or at all like released just yet I would assume however that the 64 core hundred twenty-eight thread 29 or thirty nine ninety x processor releasing in 2020 is probably gonna have to nuuma nodes instead of one like we've had on the 24 core and 38 or 32 core processors that were taking a look at today and I'll talk about why that matters in a moment like I said this is a revolutionary launch I really don't know where the tech for this stuff goes from here especially since I know that a lot of my workflows really won't scale to 64 cores for my video editing for my video production for Photoshop for streaming none of that stuff is really gonna scale to 64 cores at all so I'm curious to see who that processor will be for that wouldn't benefit better from a more virtualization based environment over on the server side anyway but I was impressed I called early on I expected that the 24 Core 48 thread would be the like basically the threshold the highest that my workflow could actually take advantage of before you'd start to see diminishing returns and if you remember the second gen thread Ripper there 30 core 32 core processor the 2990 WX actually had a lot of performance regressions on Windows which we'll talk about in a moment but this isn't actually the case in a lot of situations the 32 core processor actually does see a little bit of scaled performance over the 24 core it's not a significant amount and I still at the 24 core is definitely the best value processor for the performance for most people especially being $600 steeper but I was impressed to see that performance did continue climbing with the 32 core in many situations so before we dive into the nitty-gritty I did want to just remind you in case you're unaware this is stream guides my coverage does primarily focused on live streaming content creation and you know creative fields not gaming I in fact I'm not doing any gaming benchmarks whatsoever I if you if you could see how destroyed my apartment got just from trying to do the minimal benchmarking that I have the capacity to do both from just being one person being limited on time and as you can see it literally took my entire apartment including my TV to set up all the different workstations to benchmark this to get as much data as I could gaming benchmarks just were completely off the table I highly recommend go checking out level 1 text or gamers Nexus 4 gaming based benchmarks cuz they're gonna do a better job than I will they have more resources and more capability to test a lot more games and it's just not something I'm gonna be doing alright are you ready for some serious data well probably not as serious as you might be expecting but some awesome data let's jump in with the one synthetic test that I run cuz I don't really do synthetic tests I'm all about the practical you know real world benchmarking but running Cinebench which is a 3d rendering based benchmark based on cinema 4d that is been industry standard for testing a lot of multi-core processors for a long time there's two versions people are running now r15 which is a little bit older and is immensely tackled by these processors in fact r15 rendered pretty much instantly with both of these thread rippers and then there's our 20 which is a newer one designed to really punish these higher core challenge processors a little bit more to give a more fair you know longer-term benchmark r15 these processors dominate literally everything both in on the included sample processors in sentiment as well as everything I could run it against and the 39 70 X is significantly better than its previous you know the previous generation 32 429 90 WX this shows just how different that performance is as it is significantly better than even last gens 32 core on our 20 which is again a little bit harder a little bit more multi thread optimized these processors are still dominating the 39 70 X is even beating a dual Xeon Platinum 81-68 at a total of 96 threads it is beating that combination as well which is absolutely bonkers loading up into handbrake which is a video encoding transcoding program that can handle x264 x265 vp9 a few other formats I run the Syntel video file which is at 4k a 24 FPS movie i transcoded to x264 and x265 it's provided by a blender and on h.264 both of the CPUs are actually pretty close to each other and both of them destroy just absolutely destroy Intel's 36 thread 1098 Exe even overclocked running on custom water cooling by up to 34 percent difference that is insane and it's closer to half of the time taken to to the transcoding than the 3900 X that I have in my main rig at the moment and even the 2990 WX which actually scales pretty well for handbrake but more so on Linux than on Windows and this was all tested on Windows of course under h.265 which is a lot slower and a lot more intense to run on software and most people don't typically recommend using it on software when there's graphics card accelerated h.265 in the first place but it's still a good benchmark to show just because of how intense it is again the 3970 x is 37 percent faster than the 10 9 8 exe which is insane it is 67% faster than the 2990 WX on windows was what yeah I had to rerun that because that is some insane speed the difference between the 39 70 X and the 39 60s is much more significant on the x265 render than the x264 render and that's just because it requires so much more multi-threading and speed in order to process it now these are not all of the you know codecs that you might want to test for multi-threaded CPUs and specifically I'm thinking of a v1 and vp9 that I would love to run through benchmarking on these processors and really start testing as they become more and more of a realistic use case for real time and you know project archive importing I'll have a whole separate video documenting that stuff as I have time in the future another reminder to get subscribed maybe all right let's take a look at some of the Puget systems test Puget systems is a system integrator that does a lot of fine tuning and performance testing and building for clients to build workstation processors and movie studios and production houses and individual creators like Bartok Lee's is a big fan of their system and so they have actually released some of their testing Suites for Adobe apps and other programs like that and so I've been using some of their Adobe app benchmarking for my own use cases because they test a lot more of the things that I might not test in my sample projects that represent my specific workflow and it's just a standardized automated thing that saves me a lot of freaking time running their Adobe Photoshop on CC 20/20 their their benchmark their the thread rippers three thousand processors absolutely kick-ass but the difference is close enough that both the 3900 X on the desktop Munim non HD DT side and then Intel's 1098 exe are more than competitive enough if you have those or we're getting those for other reasons you're still gonna have an absolutely great time in Photoshop on those specific processors the 3970 X and 3960 X actually trade blows depending on the tests it is not fully scaled up you know the more cores did not have automatically equal a lot more performance so the trade-off there may not be worth it 3960 x is the sweet spot for photoshop for sure well we showed one cat in the video apparently we have to show both this is our other cat Remy I guess this is for those of you who are new to the channel I show them off pretty often you can't stay out of my lap today all right running their After Effects benchmark which I actually had to go back to After Effects CC 2019 instead of the 20/20 suite because for whatever reason the benchmark isn't working on CC 20/20 the same as before you see linear scaling from the 3600 X all the way up to the 39 70 X still a decent leap overall from the score of the 1098 exe by you know a good amount here but the individual scores you know that's for the overall score the individual scores are actually a lot closer to the 10 9 ad AXI and again trading blows with the 3960 exit is not an even performance scale from 24 cores the 32 cores running on premier pros 2020 version which has a lot of performance updates and I really haven't had time to dig into those but a lot of people have been saying that it performs significantly better although a lot of that is GPU based I've been obsessing both of these systems on my aura TX Titan for an even playing field as well as my 3900 X but testing hugest benchmark on Premiere Pro 2020 this actually breaks the norm of the other benchmarks where you saw you know it was close enough for the 3900 X and the 1098 exe we're still more than good enough in the premiere test the two thread ripper chips absolutely destroyed the 3900 X and the ten nine eight Exe and even the 2990 WX by a longshot it's actually pretty ridiculous in the 39 70 X clearly beats the 39 60 X now I did want to note that again the 10 9 8 exe and the 2990 WX were running on an RT X 20 atti instead of my RT X Titan but this actually shows that the GPU isn't fully relevant because the 10 9 8 exe on the 28 et I was still beating my 3900 X on the Titan so if it was fully GPU reliant the Titan would carry the 3900 X to victory that didn't happen here they also have a benchmark for DaVinci Resolve which is really cool I did not know about this I would have been testing this a long time ago but they have their own DaVinci Resolve studio benchmark been talking about DaVinci Resolve as a great video editor that actually has a free version it is some of the most reliable and highest performing video editing software you can use as long as your needs can fit within the more limited package compared to Adobe's full CC suite I tested with two codecs HNH well basically I built a small five five and a half minute project that represents what one of my videos might look like so I've got a plethora of different codecs as source footage h.264 recorded from a variety of different sources such as from a camera from OBS from a Game Capture I've got an h.265 source GoPro Sena form codec D and xhr codec ProRes codec Blackmagic Raw I've got transitions I've got Clips over top of each other I've got denoising applied to one or two of them I've got a warp stabiliser effect applied to a couple of them and I have a lot applied to a couple of or a few of the clips I'll put together in this one package to represent what one of my videos might look like without running these as a multi our tests that I was doing before and then I rendered that out to an h.264 file not using in Vinc and to in a dnx HR file at HQ 8-bit and i typically also included a Sinha form test however a couple of my rigs were not we're crashing on the Sena forum render for some reason and I really didn't have the time to figure it out so I'm omitting that here but the Sinha form is usually somewhat on par with the dn xhr renders but the dn xhr codec just scales to multi threads way more than most of the others even pro resins in a form so there would be a performance difference here and I also included a second entry for the 39 60 X using my RT X 2080 in place of the RT X Titan just to show how big of a difference the GPU makes and the results were pretty close but you can see you know how they turned out here I I'm still super super happy with the difference to these thread repair chips but maybe not from the 39 60 X to the 39 70 X again if you have the 39 70 X those 32 pores certainly aren't gonna slow you down there's no regression here but you're done you know you're not getting necessarily 600 extra dollars worth of performance because that's almost the full price of a 39 50 X so I also wanted to test Plex as you guys know Plex is a recurring sponsor here on my channel it is a great all-in-one solution for managing your digital media files organizing them streaming them to multiple devices and family and friends and things like that fantastic service I have a full tutorial series up on my channel link to the description below as well as affiliate links to get a Plex pass and blah blah blah blah blah I talk about this all the time I will have a full breakout video detailing these tests in more detail and doing more testing because I found some interesting results that I wasn't able to fully follow up on in this video but I was able to I made a video on the past talking about how surprisingly difficult it was to transcode a 4k blu-ray rip to 1080p or to other devices that couldn't play it natively both my 6900 K which was my best processor at the time and my dual X 55 60 or 50 650 Xeon rig both of them were just unable to do it whatsoever and I've struggled on a lot of hardware and I'll come to say I already came to some conclusions and the follow-up to that video about why this was a ridiculous use case in the first place but people are still looking for that and as the new transcoder that Plex developing introduces her2 SDR transcoding suddenly 4k blu-ray transcoding makes sense because previously you'd have a gray washed out image because it's not tone mapping the HDR footage well the 39 60 X and the 39 70 X both handled 4k blu-ray transcoding at least for one stream without a hitch whatsoever and I wasn't even heavily using the processor that much and I started up cueing up multiple ones I was able to go at 4k blu-ray a 1080p blu-ray side-by-side no problems and I was able to start queuing up a couple more transcodes but I was doing all of this on one client on one PC and for whatever reason Plex itself was just stalling out trying to load the file multiple times that may be due to it all being on one computer and like I said I will be testing this more in the future but given the actual CPU thread usage and the performance you were getting I could easily see you getting up to like 4 or 5 4k transcodes going at once on the CPU without it even really breaking a sweat so that plus a few 1080p ones and if you already have an Nvidia graphics card in there for some of that hardware accelerated transcoding you would have an incredible Plex machine with one of these thread repre processors but like I said I will have to test that more in a future video but if you're interested in that data things are looking very good on the Flex front I did also want to note that I did run both the 39 60 X and 39 70 X along with my 3900 X through blenders official benchmark which seems fairly new I didn't know this existed before this testing I don't have any other additional data to compare it to for comparison but if you see those benchmarks floating around for other processors or you go online and view other benchmarks I may try to pull some into my charts and just note which ones aren't for me here you have the tests just so you have that information available because I did want to cover blender I just didn't have a whole lot to throw it up against so there you go moving on all right well this is stream guides so what about streaming performance holy cow guys I put this off a little longer in the video just because of how insane these results are like I had to I I had to completely reinvent streaming benchmarks for formats that no platform currently supports and that virtually no one is streaming because of how insane these processors are if you are looking for processors that will you to single or dual PC stream 1080p60 Onslow in virtually any game look no further both of these processors will do you you're good to go literally anything I threw at it for 1080p 60 slow single PC streaming and keep in mind dual PC streaming would be even lighter no dropped frames no skip frames keep in mind I was running OBS as admin for the render lag fix I cover this in a video linked in the description below but between that fix and the power of this processor x264 slow at 1080p 60 was literally just possible for everything now I still don't encourage people to use slow presets for x264 I have a whole video about this I'm actually going to be doing an update video to this probably sometime in January or February because I think I have a better stance to kind of angle it to make it make a little bit more sense but it can do that on everything so what what what if we went further what if we went beyond what if we went to a whole new level well that's what I decided to do a lot of people have been pinging me on Twitter and sending me clips on Twitch because people have started experimenting with streaming 120fps to twitch and I have a whole video coming about extra details associated with that but just talking about raw performance here oh my god it's actually possible without just a graphics card and this is on a single PC setup single PC streaming while you're gaming on the same system both CPUs can do 1080p 120 FPS at x264 medium single PC streaming with minimal hiccups the biggest ones being in rocket League and csgo virtually all the games have like point one percent frame skips or frame drops from encoding lag which is not much more than you might encounter during a normal long livestream so they're technically was a little bit of encoding overload but nothing that would actually be like a consistent noticeable problem for your viewers by any stretch 1080p 120 FPS medium x264 preset 100% doable in probably most games what now pushing that further and again I don't recommend people do this in the first place but it's still something to benchmark that people will ask about 1080p 120 FPS at slow is still a problem in pretty much every game except pub G specifically on the 39 60 X the 39 70 acts actually saw regressions here in terms of performance compared to the 39 60 X at 1080p on or 20 fps slow in some games because more cores is not always better I've talked at length about how x264 is only able to scale to so many cores based on your resolution and the 64 threads of the 39 70 X is just too much to really see a performance increase and so you actually start to see a performance decrease but again slow and any slower preset than that or not designed to be run in real time in the first place and you actually run into a situation where you're testing this where you don't actually see high CPU usage it might be around 8 or 10% but you're still getting just constant encoding lag and that's just because the processor is unable to keep up with those render targets of how quickly it needs to render and encode each of those frames and it just can't keep up at all even though it's not like maxing out the CPU or anything because it's not really how it works now locking down with read limiting you know like I've talked about in previous videos locking down the number of threads that x264 can utilize on the 3970 X might fix some of your issues here if you already have one but certainly don't go buying one expecting this to make things better ok that's 120 FPS what if we go higher res I've mentioned before but if people already think that 1080p is okay to stream and only 6 megabits per second when most people a lot of us agree that that's not a high enough bitrate for 1080p well then I would think that with a max bitrate of 10 megabits per second for mixer that some people are gonna start wanting to push 1440p to it so how does that streaming situation turn out 1440p 60 at X - 6 or medium was perfectly fine and pub G apex legends modern warfare dota 2 and counter-strike go on both machines Tekken 7 gave some issues though I wouldn't recommend streaming on the slower CPU usage presets on a single PC stream for a fighting game anyway because those are so frame specifics sensitive that I don't think the fighting community whatever support doing something like that but it did give some issues at 1440p 60 medium 1440p 60 slow was mostly not a good idea whatsoever and again it performed alright in some games but did see a regression again on the 3970 x where you actually saw a lot more missed frames or dropped frames than you did on the 3960 x alright let's push one step beyond what if we made this a dedicated streaming rig which would be entirely overkill for a single stream but what if we made it a dedicated streaming rig and tried out for K streaming what about that well as a dedicated rig just in case that wasn't obvious 1080p60 slow was totally flawless can totally do it 1440p meaty 1440p 60 medium was alright about what I expected given the other results well single PC streaming 1440p 60 slow still was not doable I tried as a joke 720p slower on the 39 60 X because every time I test these higher core count processors people start asking well which one can do slower or slowest or placebo the answer is none of them again none of these slower presets are designed to be run real time and they pretty much can't be more hardware does not actually fix this it's not meant to be run real time there are certain actual flags in those presets which would make it virtually impossible to be run real time no matter how much processing power.you mad so what about 4k well very fast was perfect on both processors but even going down to faster starts pulling up encoding lag fast is pretty much unusable and there's no way you could run 4k medium this was kind of disappointing and this shows where you really start to hit diminishing returns for CPU encoding for live-streaming we're even with 64 threads at pretty high clock speeds 4k is just too much and this is where people really need to start leveraging GPU encoding a lot more I have a whole video detailing my 4k streaming workflow for my streamer news video or live streaming show where I should in 4k using my Titan r-tx graphics card and why GPU encoding is you know important for that workflow and also I have other videos detailing why in Vinc on the Turing cards and the 1660 1660 ti 1660 super and 1650 super too many excuse the name now all have better in Vinc than previous generations which actually competes with x264 medium and fast that's making it the best option for these higher resolution streams especially since you're gonna be throwing a higher bitrate at it anyway so really this is the future of streaming this processor is able to do everything people are streaming now and even formats that people just aren't even going to be streaming for the next five years or that we won't see take mainstream for maybe even 10 years this is the future of live streaming technology and this is part of the reason why I keep saying I don't really know what the next level here is because even you know with these presets and stuff there is no higher level to gain it just 4k is still out of reach but I don't know if it will be in reach it would be really interesting if I was able to get a sample for the 64 core thread Ripper I don't know if AMD will send me one they didn't send me 239 50x but if I do get my hands on it it would be interesting to see if maybe those extra cores did actually help it to stream 4k but I don't know any questions about additional streaming tests because this is just amazing I will have additional benchmarks in general coming so if you want me to test other things for streaming by all means sound off in the comments below but I am just blown away let's talk about the differences in the technology for a moment again time codes if you're not interested in that are linked on screen and in the description but the this news into architecture did move to a seven nanometer CCD or a little chip tlit based design process which means instead of one big processor die you have a bunch of little chip 'lets surrounding and iodine which handles your memory your PCIe lanes things like that this means that they also have even spacing around the memory and the PCIe throughput so that there's no latency problems or the Numa node issues that we had in second rin in first gen Rison and thread ripper which caused some performance problems especially early on before they got the software side you know worked out this is evenly spaced which in theory makes it actually easier to cool as well and keeps performance and latency up or latency down I guess and just also improves memory compatibility some older isin and thread Ripper Braddock's had some memory compatibility issues that is significantly better on both Rison and thread Ripper this generation you're also looking at better single core performance on thread Ripper this time around for once for pretty much the first time in a very long time you can have your HED tea workstation based hardware and all of the great enormous multi-threading performance that comes with that without losing any single core gaming performance which is bonkers again actual gaming benchmarks go check out level one texture gamers Nexus but oh man these are still great for gaming as well which is pretty crazy typically big multi-core processors like this lose out on single thread performance and that keeps up here these chips are also more power efficient and they have PCIe 4.0 which means so much more bandwidth for Devices and throughput and things like that which is as someone who needs a lot of expansion cards and a lot of high-speed data for my uncompressed video reading and writing and all of my crazy projects thank ya you will hear me mention a few times in this video a topic about Numa nodes this stands for non-uniform memory access which is basically the way that the different parts of the processors because for example I mentioned this is divided up into multiple chip --let's usually four Triplets of six to eight cores for these thread rippers in previous generations they were divided into two Numa nodes which meant that one of the virtual processors basically this is a not entirely accurate but dumbed down explanation one of the virtual processors had to communicate through the other in order to access memory or ban or iodine things things like that which meant that specifically the last generation thread Ripper the 2970 X and the 2990 WX actually saw significant performance regressions on Windows because but that the windows scheduler was not able to account for that and you just saw a lot where literally the 2950 X was beating both of those higher-end processors on Windows on Linux it was a little bit more improved in specific applications but it was still a tough sell and there were still some issues with that that is completely resolved here in this generation a thread Ripper the scalability is totally there and you can actually notice that they were confident enough in that fact by launching the 16-core 3950 acts as a risin ship instead of a thread repres I think this allowed for them to do that MD has also worked with windows to improve the scheduler in the first place for rising 3000 and made it all one Numa node so that you know all of that is very much improved speaking of the 2990 WX and it's all of its performance regressions I actually have a server project coming soon with one of those so get subscribed for that if you're interested I haven't returned to my server city series in a little while I've been very busy but I'm stoked let's talk about motherboards and the platform in general before we wrap up here the press kit came with two specific motherboards but obviously there will be more at launch I just don't have access to that information at this point in time I received the asus rog zenith two extreme and the msi creator TRX 40 motherboards both of them are great both of them are EA TX I believe the zenith two extreme has eight DIMM slots up to 256 gigs Mac's supports ECC and non-ecc memory up to 4600 megahertz officially supported that is an overclock but that is really fast it has three onboard m2 slots to are on the front one is on the back I would not recommend putting a PCIe 4.0 Drive on that back one because it will get no airflow and it won't support the thicker heat sinks and you'll see a lot of throttling there but still good for a gen 3-1 or a 3.0 one and then it has the dim - sled which can support up to two more empty drives for a total of five nvme storage or eat or SATA if you want it does support the SATA MDOT two storage drives which is bonkers I plan on taking full advantage of that and I'll talk about that in a moment it has four PCIe 4.0 x 16 size slot with to be in x16 to be an X 8 or X 8 X 4 it has four USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports 7 USB 3.2 gin 2 ports 1 USB 3.2 gin 2 X 2 which is 20 gigabits per second there call it some of the platforms are calling this Lightning USB even though that's Apple's connector and this is to avoid it being Thunderbolt even though lightning is still Apple's name like thunderbolt I don't know what's going on here I don't know why Thunderbolt keeps getting excluded from these desktop platforms it needs to stop Thunderbolt please and then it has three USB 2 warts which is actually still important to include it has Wi-Fi six an Intel Gigabit LAN port and in a quantity a 10 Gigabit LAN which I will be taking full advantage of having that onboard saves me one of my needed slots so I can have more expansion without a 10 gigabit nic and it has bluetooth 5.0 it has two USB 3.0 gen2 type-c front panel connectors for maximum input and output two cases that I'm pretty sure don't exist yet but you could add your own I did modify one of my previous cases with USB C as eight SATA ports has three 12-volt CPU power ports one is a six pin and two or eight pins and you need at least two of them connected or you're gonna get errors at boot and probably have some stability errors due to how much power this draw is is redonkulous has some usual rog sonic sound card stuff it's a ATX size it has active fans on the VRM which is pretty cool it takes crazy high loads to actually kick in so no extra noise other than when it's necessary but there is a shroud over top of it to keep the airflow moving when the fans are running but this actually impedes passive cooling so if and when the fans die you might actually run into more cooling problems here which is a little concerning those fans are really tiny the fan on the chipset actually takes a lot to kick in as well and it's fairly quiet in my testing there seems to be a fair amount of fan headers although the AIO water pump header is in the all the way on the bottom right which just seems really far away for some reason but whatever there's a power button an easy reprogrammable button that by default is just set to reset and then there's a freaking LED display on the little i/o vrm bridge that shows your different boot states so when it's going through memory CPU vga through your boot process and then otherwise just sits there showing your cpu tips which is freaking awesome keep in mind those cpu tips are measured at the actual the socket itself versus the die so that it's gonna be a little less accurate like I noticed the 10 to 15 Celsius difference between what that was reading and versus hardw hardware info with hardware info reading hotter temperatures the MSI creator TRX 40 has similar ran RAM support and RAM requirements ECC nan 82 CC 256 gigs it says it's rated up to 46 66 megahertz which is a little faster I don't know what Ram kits you're actually running for that but if you're doing some crazy overclocking there you go it has the great finned BRM so that's nice 2z it only has 2 cpu power plugs but they will both be needed again Wi-Fi 6 gigabit and 10 gigabit lan the 20 gigabit per second USB Lightning USB again what's the heck's going on with that you've got 5 USB 3.2 gin 2 ports for USB 3.2 gin 1 4 PCIe slots again 2 X 16 2 X 8 but there are full 16 sized slots which is necessary to only 2 onboard and m2 slots instead of 3 but then it has it comes with the dual slot add-in card for up to 4.2 nvme drives which you can then rate up together and it has active cooling which will work really well for those gin for nvme drives which is really cool so I will talk about that in a moment and then it only has one front USB see 3.2 gen 2 header and then as the normal debug LED readout and power and reset buttons both motherboards have RGB header support although I noticed on the Asus board when I connected the dim to sled it actually blocked it has to like three or four different RGB headers but the ones up by the RAM slots the dim die to sled actually blocked one of the RGB headers that I was using for my test bench so that was annoying and weird but the boards are very cramped these are nice motherboards they seem high-quality they support a lot of things that the more gaming enthusiast market might want but I'm still waiting on the equivalent to my Asus sage workstation X $2.99 board I had a couple years ago that's been in my main rig up until a month or so ago that I kept talking about and showing off where I have like 7 x16 size slots and then the M twos moved out of the way take the m2 vertically like that one would that would actually be better for the gin for SSDs that had the big beefy heat sinks because as is the big beefy heat sinks actually prevent you from putting some expansion cards in the PCIe slots because whatever shroud or whatever from those expansion cards gets blocked by the height of those PCIe or those m2 coolers and so having them vertically mounted or the cooler is facing outward fixes that clearance issue and that gets more airflow on them so I don't know why more motherboards aren't doing that I I don't know I would like to see more of that makes it for a better airflow there's still no direct Thunderbolt 3 as I mentioned don't know what's going on with that I it might be doable if you can get a hacky workaround without the pins I know Wendell was working on some of that for thread refer to but nothing officially supported but we'll have to see what asrock or gigabyte are doing but I'm still disappointed in that when I was listening my dream you know expansion and PCIe layout I wanted all seven x16 slots like on my workstation board tin Gigabit Ethernet and Thunderbolt three on board and we're not getting the Thunderbolt 3 or USB for if it was just us before you know looking future forward that would be great talking about cooling briefly I don't have super hard scientific numbers just kind of anecdotal evidence of the coolers that I was testing AMD actually sent everybody the Kraken X 62 280 I believe millimeter a IO but that's not ATR for specific cooler so it didn't actually the cold plate doesn't actually cover the full IHS of the processors and with the new chip 'lets being spaced out as far as they are I don't want to use a cooler that doesn't cover the processor fully I just I literally didn't even open it instead I went with the interact slick tech TR 4 to 360 with addressable RGB I know it will gunk up although in term access gen 2 shouldn't but gamers Nexus says it will we may do some real iqua ting of them soon to prevent them from gunking up you may see that in a future level in texas or my video i also picked up the dark rock pro TR 4 because i prefer these quiet or air coolers the dark brach pro 4 or TR 4 was significantly like exponentially quieter and then the interacts cooler but there was a pretty significant temperature difference now the dark rock cooler is rated for 250 watts of TDP and the processors are rated at 280 and the inter max is rated for a whopping 500 watts of TDP for some reason but either way I'm planning on going with the dark rock unless I run into significant cooling problems the dark rock cooler up front in my case I can keep the silence and then I will be looking forward to a custom loop all in one liquid cooling setup not all in one a custom loop liquid cooling setup for the processor and my super hot temperature wise Titan RDX graphics card in 2020 so take it stay tuned for that I know I said I wasn't gonna do one we're doing one honestly this thread Ripper platform is one of those platforms where you can have it last your entire like 10 years of work not like five or more years of work without ever needing to change it that's how crazy it is so I feel confident in setting it up as a liquid-cooled workstation to then not need to change it out anymore and I'll just do additional testing in work benches or test benches conclusion time this has been a really long video there's a lot of information here but this is truly I consider it a revolutionary launch I don't know how desktop computing can get any better at this point I don't believe 64 cores is actually gonna make it any better I don't believe we need then this performance jump is unlike anything we've seen in decades however things could start to get interesting because all this means is that Intel the sleeping giant is truly about to wake up ideally any minute now and whatever they actually start making once they do wake up and once they do start taking things to the next level is going to be truly insane whatever they actually bring forward to respond to this like this the competition's about to get real y'all this is going to be in same for streamers if you want to make this kind of investment it it's an insane performance value for your money like it's in them sane investment and it will last you for a very long time I covered the future looking streaming formats if this was your streaming rig like you won't have to upgrade for streaming purposes for a ridiculously long time but it is a big investment the 39 60 X is nearly double the cost up front of the 39 50 X just for the processor not including the motherboards which are probably more expensive I don't actually have costs on hand for the motherboards but I imagine they would be more expensive and the 3950 X which I didn't get to test but I know you know extrapolating from the 3900 X onward it would do perfectly fine for most single PC streamers and it would definitely do fantastic as a dedicated streaming Rick probably already overkill for that purpose and plus as I mentioned for some of these more hardcore streaming formats envy Inc is the way to go but for video production and creative work in general this is in same performance it is great to see that the Numa node situation and single thread performance has been improved greatly and fixed and this is why I hadn't pushed you know 1st and 2nd gen thread Ripper arisin very much because they had all of these weird memory compatibility and latency and Numa node issues and I wasn't comfortable recommending them super hardcore but both now third-gen Rison and thread ripper I am fully on board the team red train at least in terms of you know the insane push that they are making and I am super stoked to see what Team Blue has to offer next once they actually start releasing new stuff for a three to four hundred dollar difference over the ten hundred ten nine eight exe from Intel I would say that the performance difference is definitely worth it especially if you're someone who needs the PCIe bandwidth and throughput because you have 4.0 you have doubled the PCIe lanes I ran into a lot of pcie-based bottlenecks on my Intel systems for me that kind of upgrade ability is worth it but since they did half the price of the 10 980 to only a thousand bucks it's still some pretty good performance power in there it's up to you to decide which team you might want to go with there is a much longer and more stable platform of X 299 at this point and that matters to a lot of people I know for a long time Linus for his actual video editors he was only upgrading to previous shin or a gin before that hardware every time he upgraded them that way he got the most stable platforms and there's something to be said for that and the same thing you know X 299 has been out for three years now it's pretty stable and the motherboard ecosystem is very strongly there and those aces workstation and sage motherboards I kept talking about I highly recommend for that purpose 24 Core 48 thread 39 60 X is definitely the sweet spot for most creators I don't believe the $600 upgrade to the 32 core is gonna be worth it for most workflows I'm picturing if you have one that you think it would be more worth it for sound off in the comments below for me I'm actually gonna be using the 24 core the 32 core is gonna be reserved for more dedicated encoding tasks or something like that speaking of which I will have a dedicated benchmarking video coming in the future covering waifutwo X and the anime 4k and those video 2 X those other video upscaling algorithms that have been becoming super popular I'm actually really happy with the results I've been experimenting with upscaling my Dragon Ball GT remastered DVDs and the results it produces are phenomenal however I keep running into situations where it's primarily using my graphics card inside of the processor which is fine if that's the fastest way to go then so be it I do want to mention that but I want to see if CPU is a better way to go for whatever reason if these higher thread count CPUs would actually kick some serious ass for those purposes do let me know what more stream guides and you know tutorial or benchmarking coverage of these processors you guys want to see this revolutionary I want to get as much information and testing and just crazy use case scenarios going as possible for you guys let me know in the comments down below what you want to see again stay tuned for custom water cooling loop on my system when I swap this over here in 2020 a lot more awesome content coming in the future this has eaten up a ridiculous amount of time so I've kind of got to stabilize my workflow a bit and of course we have the Thanksgiving holiday this week so a lot going on here and I do want to try to get at least one or two holiday related videos like buyers guides or something's have been requested quite a few times over for you guys will see as I can get at all of this thank you so much for watching this extremely lengthy episode of stream guides amiable's box you guys are amazing go subscribe on float plane or patreon to get early access to videos and behind-the-scenes content and we'll be covering navi's encoder updates very soon too that's been very much requested I'll let you get out of here I'll see you next time\n"