The Rise of AMD: A New Era in Gaming and Beyond

As we witnessed at the recent event, AMD's Ryzen 4000 series is set to revolutionize the PC gaming industry with its impressive performance and features. But how does it compare to Intel's offerings, particularly the i7-5800H? We'll dive into the details of the competition between these two CPU giants.

Prior to the release of the Ryzen 5000 series, AMD's top-of-the-line CPU for gaming was the 3758 X4, with four cores and eight threads. It performed slightly worse than Intel's i7-5800H, which boasted six cores and twelve threads. However, AMD recognized an opportunity in the market to move forward and invested heavily in developing a new platform.

In response to the launch of the Ryzen 5000 series, AMD introduced a "quick fix" by boosting the power limit and clock speeds of their existing 3700X chip. This resulted in a CPU that could be sold in gaming laptops, providing a significant performance boost over the previous generation. Interestingly, AMD noted that this was an opportunity to enter the market with a competitive product, rather than investing significant development resources.

In contrast, Intel's approach to developing the X series chips appears to have been more deliberate and labor-intensive. With the release of the 10th Gen Core i9-10900K, Intel showcased their commitment to innovation and performance. The X series chips are designed from the ground up with gaming in mind, featuring improved thermal management and increased overclocking headroom.

The H series, on the other hand, is AMD's response to Intel's offerings. With six cores and twelve threads, the 4900H provides a significant performance boost over its predecessor. The addition of Zen 3 architecture also brings improved performance and power efficiency. As we move forward with the 5000 series, it will be interesting to see how AMD continues to innovate and improve their lineup.

One of the most compelling aspects of the Ryzen 4000 series is its potential for gaming performance. With the release of the 4900H, AMD is challenging Intel's dominance in the gaming market. The difference between the two CPUs becomes more pronounced as we move down the stack, making it increasingly difficult for other manufacturers to compete.

AMD's experience with the 3758 X4 has taught them valuable lessons about entering new markets and developing competitive products. By recognizing opportunities and adapting their approach, AMD is well-positioned to take on Intel in the gaming market. As we wait for the release of the Ryzen 5000 series, one thing is certain: AMD's H series chips will be an exciting addition to the lineup.

As we move forward with the launch of new systems and SKUs, it's clear that AMD has a lot to offer. With a minimum clock speed of 4.8 GHz, the 4900H sets a high bar for performance. The availability of different SKUs, including the 4000 series, will be crucial in addressing various market needs.

The process of getting a comprehensive understanding of the Ryzen 5000 series is expected to take some time. AMD has already released a 4800 system, and we can expect more models to emerge over the coming months. As for Intel's Core i5 offerings, they remain scarce, making it difficult to compare the two CPUs directly.

Despite the challenges, I plan on doing my part by acquiring multiple systems to test and compare their performance. With AMD's focus on innovation and performance, there's no shortage of exciting content to come. Stay tuned for our in-depth analysis and comparisons of the Ryzen 5000 series and beyond.

In the comments section, we'll be responding to your questions and concerns about the Ryzen 4000 series. Don't hesitate to reach out – Jared will be happy to help answer any queries. By engaging with you, AMD is demonstrating their commitment to customer satisfaction and support.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enall right I'm here with Tim from hardware unboxed and we're both here in Austin Texas so a bit of a trip away from Australia for both of us sometimes yeah big fly it's a lot of love late nice craps craps leaping not a barbecue yeah barbecue so that's that's being pretty good yeah why are we here though oh yeah that's probably worth mentioning we're here for the AMD new Rison 4000 series CPUs so they invited us out to check them out cuz both of us do laptop content and yeah we'll just be answering some of the questions you guys left for me about the new CPUs now that we have all that information available should be able to answer a lot of them the only thing we probably won't cover in this video will be performance because due to the NDA of this information we're actually about a month in the past from when this video will be going up which is an interesting situation and by that time in theory we'll probably have the laptops on hand to test and those videos were probably got before this let's face it go to get those numbers up so by that by the time this comes out but all the performance details will probably be answered anyway so we'll focus on the other things that performance specific yep all right let's get into it so the first question that a lot of people want to know about was pricing of these new parts which is fair enough if you're spending a lot of money on one of these products you want to you want to know what what its gonna be priced up right makes sense yep so they didn't really give us any specific information around pricing so in general like Intel they list the parts that they have and how much they cost for like OMS on their website so you can get a rough idea of like per per unit cost but with AMD they don't really do that and it's kind of hard to get an idea of the actual pricing that you know om is gonna be playing these parts for yeah even the Intel parts they have the listed price but you never know what sort of bulk discounts they're getting you know I imagine the really big OMS have fairly significant discounts when they're buying you're hundreds of thousands of these chips so yeah it's a bit annoying that maybe Emily doesn't have the direct comparison that you can make but it sounds like from what we're hearing that pricing will be fairly similar to the previous generation so what Verizon 730 750 extras price days worked the rise and 7 in 4000 is going to be priced at yeah that was the impression I got as well and you know by the time this video is probably out they'll probably be a lot of laptops with detailed pricing information available and if there are models like the asou stuff series that have you know like there's an AMD version and there's an Intel version yeah you can probably roughly compare the price but it's also going to depend on I think how much so say like a sous or ms I actually want to sell that product for because if it at the end of the day if it does end up performing better you could kind of see it from their perspective that they might want to increase the price ahead of the Intel model to try and make more money on something that's doing better I mean it's not ideal if the processor is cheaper and we could be you know getting some savings there but that's just the way it is at the end of the day businesses want to make money yes it's possible as well that if there's like a unique rise in design that's like doesn't have an intel part in it they've made it really thin to take advantage of the the power savings or whatever these HS series something like that it's possible that single SKU could be you know priced really high and much higher than like an equivalent Intel system so that's possible but I think in general we'll see cheaper prices than Intel or at least equivalent for a lot of this stuff yeah I think they kind of need to do that as well to try and I guess get the foot in the door kind of thing yeah because you know it's not no surprise but rise in 3000 buy more CPUs they weren't they weren't the best 4000 seems like it's a good step up so if they're trying to you know get that I guess market share you know hopefully the prices aren't you know too crazy so that would certainly help with that situation I think yeah so the next question was around temperatures so obviously a lot of people don't want their laptops running hot sir yep how did the rise in 4000 series CPUs compare in terms of heat there's a good question but at the moment you know they didn't really go into too much detail with regards to temperatures and it kind of makes sense every laptops kind of unique in that regard like they've got different cooling solutions variants yeah a lot of exactly so what yeah one of the questions was around fan noise for instance like someone let me ask AMD about fan noise like I can't really do that because every single machine is going to differ and there's so many variables that something like that isn't really something I can find out until I get this to test myself yeah it does sound like though that the systems are going to try and push the thermal solution as much as they possibly can there's some new technologies in these risin four thousand chips that take advantage of things like skin temperature tracking for example so they have a sensor that's attached directly to you like our iminium exterior or whatever or aluminum for u.s. viewers and then it sort of you know you can boost up much higher than the rate of it goes up to the rate of clock speeds obviously but it can boost higher than normal for a longer than normal if you're running in a really cold environment you haven't been doing a lot of things recently so then boost for longer if you coming from a hotter state that it might boost for a shorter period of time all up to that limit that they're sort of the OEM has predetermined is OK for the skin temperature so I think that's going to be really interesting to see how that differs from REM system to OEM system but if that's giving people more performance I think a lot of om choose to maybe run their systems a bit warmer to get those boost clocks up for longer yeah so the way that works is essentially I was told that in laptops that just have the so the CPU and the Vega graphics so no discrete graphics there's two sensors so in addition to like the sensors on on the chip itself which is what they're at the moment there's like sensors on the on the chassis at different points so performance is really going to also depend on the temperature of the whole system rather than just the internals which is an interesting idea because you know you don't want your system to be too hot when you're like touching it because that's just an unpleasant experience and yeah with the if you have discrete graphics I think they said there were three sensors so another extra data point to get information to make the decisions on how much the different components again a boost and I think that's really gonna it's gonna add some challenges into testing I think because you know at the moment it already depend that the Sony something different variables already like power limits and cooling solutions and now there's just this extra thing like how cool is the keyboard area is that can affect like my Cinebench scores yeah it'll be really interested in seeing I think it's important to mention that as well that these aren't technologies that are designed to reduce performance it's not like they're putting these sensors on and making sure that it runs really cool for you it's more that Amy's figured out that we can actually go higher and longer with these clock speeds to give you more performance we saw a demo yesterday with sort of Cinebench running with and without this technology implemented and to be fair it is an optional feature for OEM so there's a choice to enable stt which is the feature we've been talking about and the Cinebench scores for are 20 which takes a fair while to run we're still very high after you know maybe 10 15 runs they're still getting almost the performance they were seeing from that first run which as we've seen from even Intel chips AMD chips right now is not something we really see too much of it dies off very quickly so sounds like a really cool technology yeah so it was interesting because it was able to obviously keep boosting higher and perform better for longer which is what you want so the demo they had there unfortunately we weren't able to film and realistically it's probably not something we'll ever be able to test ourselves because they had two laptops one with this and one without so I don't know if there's gonna be any situation where for some reason you can buy it with and without that seems unlikely or unless the users given the option to disable it maybe it seems like it was only they were using a me reference systems hence why we couldn't film it because they don't want that stuff getting out I guess but yeah imagine that there's just going to be a situation we have to test and OEM that's chosen to use it and an OEM that's chosen not to use it and from the sounds of it with stt version 2 in these rise and 4000 processes is easier to implement that feature they've made it less complicated for OEM so more likely for them to use it and I think we'll see a lot more laptops with these with really long boost durations which will be much better for people overall yeah so in short better performance but temperatures probably still going to be up there which makes sense like if you're selling a laptop you kind of want it to perform good compared to the competition you're not going to want to kneecap it just so it is cooler for people that you know about temperatures if you want to do that you know most most software like options that OEMs provide give you the option of turning down to different profiles to limit the high limits are exactly so you probably have options to do that but I think for the most part this is a pretty good pretty good choice because more performance more better right love that more better yeah it's one of the other areas a lot of people were asking about was battery life and lucky for you AMD spent quite a lot of time going into details on all things battery life related which kind of makes sense you know laptops are meant to be portable I mean I really use mine most of the time on power to get good performance but they are designed to be portable so yeah what sort of improvements did we see with battery ooh lots of stuff lots of cool demos it sounds like we're getting benefits from really two main areas with these chips there's firstly the benefit from the APU itself which they're claiming around a 20% improvement and of course that is including the extra performance that you get so it's not like 20% better at the same level of performance as the previous generation it is the full performance of Rison 4000 plus 20% extra battery life so those two things combined is certainly very impressive and then on top of that Amy's made a big commitment to working with OMS to use low-power components outside of the APU so whether that's you know one what displays or lower power SSDs was a big thing they were talking about really optimizing all the components so that you don't just get the 20% from the APU but potentially you know another 20% from using a lower power display lower power memory low power SSD so yeah those are the two main areas I think yeah and there were a few other or quite a few actually a lot of different things they talked about so there's other things like just with the new 4000 series processors like lower idle temperatures it's faster to like swap to see CPU off states basically all these things that add up to improve battery life which i think is great to see I mean obviously you need to wait and test them and do some battery life tests but sounding like it's pretty good and they've taken it into consideration yeah especially for the u series I think the the 3000 series was perhaps a bit underwhelming therefore the battery life a lot of you see users complaining that not really getting what their affecting at the same time I think a lot of people suffered from those you serious parts being in lower end products that tend to use more like you have 30 to 40 what our class batteries as opposed to your premium laptops to have 60 plus yeah so that's hurt them but it sounds like they they've really been laser focused on this area as a really key concern for them and the numbers that we've seen comparing you know 4,800 you versus isolate look pretty good at least from what AMD saying yeah so we of course have to take their numbers with a grain of salt but again performance details will probably be up with by the time you see this anyway that's right so one of the other questions I got was are we going to see these AMD CPUs paired with higher tier GPUs which is a good question because right now at least again in February in February at the moment in the past who knows how things will change at CES at least the highest tier graphics that we saw on Nvidia side was the asou Sepphoris g14 which has the RT x 2060 max here quite a mouthful there yep and then on the Nvidia side certainly Nvidia side I am D side with Radeon they've got the 5600 M in the Dell g5 special edition so they have also announced the 5700 M but at the moment I haven't personally seen that listed with any laptop so I'm not sure where when we'll see that or what products it'll be in but oh yeah so are we gonna see any better GPUs than that what's the deal well it sounds like there's no actual restriction so it's not like Amy's going you can't put a 20 80 over 20 70 with these parts or super products when they come out in the future so yeah they're just saying that they'll be possible but as far as we know the OEMs are probably working on it but they haven't actually been announced in February at this point yet yes sir it'll probably happen but my guess it is you know if there's new NVIDIA Super Max q whatever the name Angela things are TX soup and that SQ product um yeah assuming something like that comes out in the future it would make sense for them to hold off maybe like a month or two until there's a new new product available otherwise you get into this weird situation where you know you might launch a RT X 2070 laptop and then like a month later you get the Super Max Q TMG force special edition version and then what that product is just like doesn't sell or you know it's just an awkward situation so I think for the higher end GPUs assuming there is something new not too far off it probably makes sense just to hold off a bit I think yeah that's right and it sounded like at least from the short term aim these OEMs were working more on the sort of the mainstream volume they've been putting a lot of emphasis on making sure that they hit the mainstream segments as as you know MDD tends to target sort of you the mainstream price points you know getting it into those systems with your GT x-series GPUs instead of r-tx so it sounds like they're still working on that quite heavily but there's definitely still going to be high-end systems from the sounds of it so yeah it's not like it's gonna be just the cheapo options like we've seen from maybe the 3000 series yeah they're going to be targeting all sorts of things yeah which makes perfect sense like if you're coming into this market you want to you want to make a product I suppose that more people are likely to buy and you know realistically most people are going mid range rather than high-end it's just the way it is gonna cost yep yeah so there will be some we just don't know when hopefully you have learned more by the time yeah you might video guys you might know more than us yeah it's another question that I got asked was is the 4908 your thing because that's C yes I think they only mentioned the 4,800 H and 4,800 HS so is this 4900 H of room or or what's going on with that well lucky for us we did get that and actually announced for real at the event we've seen I think by the time this video comes out probably a lot of people who have seen the announcement cuz the NBA will have lifted but certainly they are going to be offering you know another 8 core 16 thread parts still the same 8 core 16 tread design but I think as of right now we don't know the final specs of the H model we do the HS specs but it's looking like they're going to be was unlocking one of the say used to go from 7 to 8 and then bumping clocks pieces sounds like the situation yes the clock speeds were 100 megahertz higher on the base and boost with the HS which is interesting because the 4900 HS is a 35 for part whereas 4800 H is a 45 what part yes they're somehow they're achieving those higher clock speeds and a chess model over the HTML which suggests some sort of bene yeah so it you know I still need to test this stuff which are probably done by now but yeah it's it's really interesting because in theory less power but more performance so yeah does kind of imply that there must be some sort of bidding process there in order to get those top performing chips as the like forty nine forty nine hundred series it seems like a MIDI has a significant capability to do this based on what we've seen with the desktop parts 3900 X versus don't know 50 X for example you get an extra four cores for about the same level of power consumption same situation on a thread Ripper so it will be a bit different because it's a monolithic die so it'd be really interesting to see exactly how the bidding goes in that larger chip where there's more or less variants yeah so if you who who really knows at this stage but it sounds like that's how they're able to achieve that sort of part which yeah interesting gives better benefits for consumers again it'll also be interesting to see how the what the 4900 H is ends up being expected because we weren't given those specs at the moment and that's a 45 watt part so 10 watts above the HS and as as I said just before the HS is like 100 megahertz higher than the 10 watt higher 4800 H so if you have the 4900 H at the same same power like who knows what suppose you could but maybe they don't even know what's possible that's why they couldn't yeah ever locked it down yet the cantos yeah I think as well that it's we're not just going the the clock speeds with the the HS more which I found really interesting to hear about was that you know in videos doing a lot of validation for parts like the 4900 HS and 4800 HS to make sure that you know consumers getting really high quality systems with high quarry components yeah so that was something that I also wasn't aware of going into this was with the HS CPUs at C yes they basically only seemed to pop up in the G 14 and at the time it was basically just like oh it's 10 watt slower but it's still a 4800 so still 8 cause 16 threads and it was kind of implied at that point that it was just a lower power limit because you know the G 14 is a thinner lighter 14 inch machine which kind of makes sense you can't go too - crazy yeah you got to keep it fairly moderate but apparently it's there's a bit more to it than that sir yeah it sounds like it's going through - like your screen again it's like what we were talking about previously with you know AMD choosing to work close more closely with these OEMs on battery life by improving components throughout the system it sounds like for the HS chips that is a that the only they're only going to give HS of alle Dacian to OEMs that are using high-end components and high and efficient components so that you get the benefit of both the you know better binge trip at 35 watts plus you know the efficient SSDs efficient displays and you know Amy's going through and choosing a whole bunch of parts that fit that sort of program it'll be interesting to see how that goes how well AMD chooses these components whether they're making the right choices they'll be hard to see until we get more om devices but it was really interesting to hear about that something that we hadn't seen before yeah it's like pretty much almost as if it's like going to be its own ecosystem like there are other considerations as well like they want to make sure the thermals are in check before allowing you know NHS ship to go into one of these machines so there's just like all of these nice features that you would want as someone buying a laptop though it looks lease it sounds like AMD are kind of enforcing if companies want to actually use this chip I think part of those because we've seen AMD get burned a lot with the OEM interactions that you know an OEM just buys a Rison chip like maybe a rise in 3u series part they put it in like a really crappy design and then suddenly people have this bad opinion of the horizon products and maybe they're not as in incentivized to upgrade to like a risin 5 horizon 7 model in the future because they've bought this really crappy OEM system so it sounds like across you know HS for sort of your gaming products and then the integrations that they're doing with the user is stuff that they're trying to snap that out as much as they can and we'll see a lot more closely worked designs for these things which Intel already does they already do a lot of that and I think Amy's now sort of stepping up with that sort of thing yeah and with the so with the 4900 H 2 HS and the 4,800 H they're all 8 cores 16 parts so three and that's quite interesting because on the Intel side we only have the I nines with eight cores 16 threads at the moment and they're all 45 watt parts so you know that I've only ever seen those in much thicker more expensive machines yeah what the muscle books is looks I don't think I've ever actually said that name so yeah it's a shot guy yeah let's go back to everything that one doesn't exist but yeah it's it's it's really interesting especially like I guess it's probably getting away from the original question now but like the the you series but with the still 8 cores 16 threads but 15 watts so being able to get what was traditionally in the past only available in those say it again muscle books in the slimmer machines really interesting yeah I think you know it's unlikely that the 15 what part is going to perform as well as Intel's 45 what 8 core part but from the numbers that we've seen it sounds like even in 15 ones with 8 cause they're able to get up to the eight series type performance that Intel's providing we say you know you 97 58 years I mean it's based on like Cinebench scores and stuff like that which is how representative is that across a whole range of workloads but certainly the performance they've been showing is much higher from there eight core 15 what part compared to anything until it's been able to offer it even they're just like the six core like the ten ten seven ten news ten seven ten you at the guy on stage for AMD was nailing those Intel product names well you know who stays research yeah I know who he practiced I get wood salad every time we record it your great names there anyway yeah so in short 4,900 H&H s off versus another coming yep I said Jared's past off the question asking to me for this one which is yeah bit of fun apparently got a bunch of questions about under vaulting in from right and sort of how that's gonna go with rise to 4,000 so you did you asked a lot of questions about this in some of our sessions so what information have you got Jared yes apparently guess what are you interested in this because it was a really high uploaded comment so yeah in the past as a lot of you know I do under bolting on the laptops I test which have mostly been Intel based machines so you know you either use Intel XTU or throttle stop to lower the voltage which you know generally helps improve either performance or temperatures sometimes both so you know as an enthusiast it's nice to have those options if you want to get some extra performance earlier machine is occasionally in like Cinebench aa 20 it's pretty common to see 200 to 400 points extra in multi-core which is great significant improvement really like overclocking a laptop just in a slightly different way of doing mind of year I mean some people do refer to under bolting as overclocking I mean it feels a bit dirty to me but I understand you're getting a better performance so it's similar so what AMD are doing in the past as you might know horizon 3000 series has an offered under bolting support so it wasn't something we could do previously but with this generation it sounds like so it's interesting yeah so there's good and bad news the good news is that technically under bolting will be possible with Rison 4000 series CPUs so I was told that they'll be offering the hooks available to developers in order to make these changes the bad news is AMD isn't providing like an XTU style utility that just allows you to go in and do this yourself so no rise and Master for example then you're opening that up in the utilities that have no desktop at least not at the moment maybe if there's more pressure so in the comments get on them get on that maybe there's more pressure they might do it but it sounded like they wanted the OEMs to offer this sort of option so maybe in like you're a sous armory crate software or MSI dragon center software type thing along with overclocking settings maybe there might be an under vaulting setting it would be up to them to implement that yeah I guess a third-party like say the guys that developed throttle stop someone could probably come along and do something similar for AMD whether or not that'll happen yet to be seen but yeah at the moment it doesn't seem like AMD you're going to be offering that support and it's kind of makes sense based on how they explained it so as is typical with AMD if you've seen like Radeon graphics or other CPU reviews any time you try and overclock those bits they're really go too much further than stock so yeah that's right they're kind of like already pushing it to the limit which i think is pretty good because you know I don't want to buy something and have to go in and tune it I mean you know some people like that basic box I think it's great to have it out of the box I mean why do it myself if they can already offer it in the best possible way that's yeah that's great especially for people that don't know any better they're going to be getting extra performance that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to tap into yeah it certainly sounded like they were with these new chips they're running the voltage limits much tighter to the sort of specifications then you might get with an intel parts there's not as much Headroom there and sound like it was right that they test every single chip and then make its own voltage frequency curve if I guess allows them to sort of put different parts in different places and different parts of the product stack but also really removes that under volting Headroom so they're basically just running it really low to begin with giving you that good performance out of the box and allowing things like precision boost and stab them and stt all those you know boost technologies that they've got to really push up as far as they can go let it run for as long as possible I think all that's gonna help with that yeah so it sounds like it's probably going to be quite good out of the box but potentially maybe for the h-series only there might be some software utilities that allow this or maybe it might be implemented in the BIOS on some machines yeah I'm gonna really have to wait and see but it doesn't sound too good but at least it does sound like there is some progress compared to 3000 series yeah it's kind of interesting because you we don't really see under vaulting available through those software to these on until platforms do we it's mostly just you click it and like overclocks it so will we really see under vaulting in these utilities on ambi I'm pretty doubtful yeah it's pretty uncommon like I've only had a very small handful of machines actually have it unlocked in the BIOS by default but yeah obviously anyone can install exterior but a lot of people don't know about it realistically I'm sure a very small number of people actually go in and under bolt to get the performance so I think by AMD doing it as you say out of the box I think it's probably a better move anyway so with the new CPUs we've still got Vega graphics inside so is that any different to the previous generation because I had Vega - right so the same yeah it's interesting it's been assuming a very heavily upvoted question that you've got because lots of people were sort of myself included I was sort of expecting maybe our DNA will be in these parts but nope vague is still in there but it isn't the same Vega it sounds like again where I was speaking to David from a and B he sort of was suggesting that at the time they were developing these rise in 4,000 parts they had the choice to go do they push down the Vega path or do they push down our DNA and it sounded like the optimizations they were able to do you know they have to optimize either one of those paths and it sounded like the Vega option was the path that would give the results better give better results do it sooner I'm not sure whatever they decided they've they've decided to optimize Vega so it isn't the same and one of the main things they've been able to is obviously just put on seven nanometers so in doing that they're able to get higher clock speeds which means that even though they reduced the compute unit count down from 11 to 8 they're able to push the clock speeds higher which gives a significant performance advantage then on top of that it sounds like there's been a bunch of just your standard power like optimization techniques that they sort of it sounded like they'd learnt a few things from Navi so if it's not an avi GPU but they've learnt things from that ship that they're able to bring back to Vega for this generation and then the third thing that allows them to get more performs as well as the shifter lpddr4 X memory there's a lot of talk throughout the event about these ap use our bandwidth constraints significantly on the memory they can't use like ug DDR series memory that we see from actual GPUs so they're stuck with DDR stuff which kind of sucks like ddr4 2400 that we saw with rise in previous generations far too slow yes big difference so by putting lpddr4 X in which gives you more than a 2x I think it may be maybe slightly less than 2x and Loras managed maybe it was like 70% 80% that's huge and also allows Vania to perform better than it did previously so we do see the CEOs get cut down that was a space constraint apparently could get that die small but we still should be seeing substantial performance gain before you seriously buy 15 watts same architect but maybe slight differences to the architecture and they gain 20 to 30 percent more performance not bad yeah that sounds pretty good I'll have to test it out and compare it with like Intel iris graphics and yeah last gen Vega it's kind of hard for me to test that stuff unfortunately because I guess I mostly get gaming laptop so you know top-of-the-line discrete graphics it's really uncommon that I actually get one that's just got like Vega or Intel but yeah the performance they showed had quite it was quite a lot better than like the ice Lake options yeah that's right they obviously have spent a lot of time comparing these chips to you know the 1065 g7 in particular which is the fully unlocked version of you know they're ice Lake parts and you know I mean it's fair to say that with the rise in 3000 series parts the current GPU that they've got already is quite competitive with ice lake so anything that we're going to be giving with this generation is just going to be pushing them ahead and it sounds like they're not just pushing ahead by a little bit but actually a substantial amount over ice lake which will help them out when tiger lake comes out early not earlier this year much later this year so when that comes out it sounds like they're doing a lot that your XC graphics should be in that ship so when that comes out we'll expect more performance and these chips should be still very competitive with that given what we've seen and it's only using vago so it's pretty impressive yeah it seems like there's a lot of change going on in the integrated graphics space like even the iris graphics was a nice step up over what Intel had before but of course nero vega is still open least according to AMD's numbers at this time a fair bit better so it could be interesting that will get you know a lot of a lot more thin and light machines that are actually capable of doing some lightweight gaming yeah I think it will say oh you never know for sure but there should be fewer options out there that will opt for the MX series graphics because yeah aim you spent a whole bunch of time saying like you know we we didn't extend the size of our die because making these chips bigger is a significant burden on OMS so if they can offer like MX 250 MX 330 type graphics in the single integrated chip that solves a whole bunch of OEM problems because it suddenly they don't need to add that second low-power discrete GPU in there should be more battery efficient and you know while previous generation mobile wasn't quite at the level of sort of your MX series chips that was still got a bit bit more performance out of an MX 250 yeah it sounds like this should be very competitive again I was a bit surprised they didn't compare that in any of the numbers that we've seen so we haven't seen we haven't seen like I select plus your MX series we haven't seen like comic-like plus MX yeah but I would expect performance to be similar which would be very impressive yeah so it's looking pretty good there so one of the other questions a lot of people really wanted to know is how do these new mobile CPUs from AMD compare to the Intel competition I mean obviously that's a very good question but a lot of people are going to want to know because Intel is currently the Dominator in the laptop space yeah yeah it's interesting that Emily felt confident enough to not just talk about like the flagship parts like 4800 you 4880 actually went through and said here's how Verizon 5 performs here's our rise and three performs and I think at this point we probably will have actual benchmark numbers for at least like the 4,800 you from the sounds of things but as far as the AMD numbers are concerned for say you've rise in five versus Core i5 it's looking pretty promising yeah they had again a number of different games and like realistic content creator workloads that type of thing looked like some pretty good improvements there sir being good to see it sounds like even in some of those situations the rise in 5 vs. choir 5 is they able to offer even more performance than say at Rison 7 versus core i7 yeah because you think about it like if you go from 6 cores to 8 cores it's less of a percentage gaining cause than going from 4 cores to 6 cores which is what they're offering sort of your core i5 versus versus Rison 5 so I think across the lineup it looks like especially those low-end chips are going to be very very impressive and really provide a lot more performance and sort of those entry-level to mid range systems yeah and with the new stuff comparing to rise in 3,000 an interesting comment that I brought up was with regards to the 3758 sir as you may know prior to rising 4,000 that was essentially their top-of-the-line CPU for gaming which was four cores eight threads performed a bit worse than the 8th gen I 580 300 H so obviously an i7 with extra calls is just gonna come along and you know iterated it yeah that's be honest yes yeah then let's then there's also the i9 with 8 cores but you know Amy doesn't even want to talk about that comparison yeah so yeah with regards to the 37:58 I found it interesting that AMD actually noted that that was basically and it was it was an opportunity that they had in the market to move into so it sounds like they just had the 3700 year and they realized they could essentially boost the power limit and clock speeds and then hey we've suddenly got this CPU that we can sell in some gaming laptops yeah so rather than spending any sort of major development effort it did sound like it was a quick fix as opposed to with these Rison 4000 shippers where it sounds like they put a lot more effort into the H series that sort of Gaunt oh look actually people by the gaming laptop so now we've got a you know in let's actually make a CH series really compelling and really good so I think we'll see a situation with this generation that certainly the H series parts will be providing a significant performance gain and really start challenging you know the entirety of Intel's lineup basically yeah and if it's doing that then it's essentially making the 3000 series just look a lot lower comparatively yeah and I think we'll see even the risin 5 was a 4600 H I think that will be much faster than 3750 H oh yeah because I mean 6 cores so that immediately gives you a benefit and then it's Zen too so I think there won't be really any chip in AMD's like maybe you series that will be equivalent 2058 you have to go quite far down the stack to get that level of performance yeah which is fine with me yeah get rid of that pretend that one didn't happen yeah I guess it's probably good from like a it sounds like they've learnt a lot from it like it's kind of like I guess getting your foot in the door kind of thing into that market yeah and now they've got a lot more information with to go ahead with 4000 series so those were the top uploaded questions left by you guys for risin 4000 I hope it was interesting hope you got some of the answers if not they'll definitely be a lot of videos coming from both myself and Tim hardware unboxed over next probably a few weeks probably even prior to this yep so yeah make sure you subscribe to both that channels will definitely have a lot of content on these machines coming in the future I'm sure yeah it'll be I think you'll be a bit of a process over the next few months to get a lot of different SKUs in because you know we've heard here at the event that AMD is providing at least a 4,800 you system to begin with it sounds like the 4,800 H or 4900 X not quite sure he's also gonna be available but might be a bit later and yeah as we've seen from a lot of the even with Intel stuff core i5s are hard to come by for testing at least units you still never had one so you know I've found a difficult outside of you series to get like a 90 300h and you've found impossible basically yeah so whether yeah hopefully we can get some systems over the next few months that sort of address all the different markets and have some really good numbers and what do any of comparisons I've been telling you a different you me nothing like you got to smash out those comparisons yeah I'll probably end up just buying a bunch of machines just to get it done if I can't get AMD yeah yeah so if you got any other questions about risin 4000 I guess let me know in the comments I'll see what I can do to answer yeah you still reply to every single comment on my first it's very impressive you know I've been talking to Jared who at this event is like yo I've got to go back to the hotel we've got to answer your respond to all these comments I'm like how do you have time for this I just make time yeah cut out that sleep don't here just are based with your comments so yeah you'll be he'll be in there respond to anything so get in there yeah so thanks for watching and again make sure you subscribe to hadron box to check him outall right I'm here with Tim from hardware unboxed and we're both here in Austin Texas so a bit of a trip away from Australia for both of us sometimes yeah big fly it's a lot of love late nice craps craps leaping not a barbecue yeah barbecue so that's that's being pretty good yeah why are we here though oh yeah that's probably worth mentioning we're here for the AMD new Rison 4000 series CPUs so they invited us out to check them out cuz both of us do laptop content and yeah we'll just be answering some of the questions you guys left for me about the new CPUs now that we have all that information available should be able to answer a lot of them the only thing we probably won't cover in this video will be performance because due to the NDA of this information we're actually about a month in the past from when this video will be going up which is an interesting situation and by that time in theory we'll probably have the laptops on hand to test and those videos were probably got before this let's face it go to get those numbers up so by that by the time this comes out but all the performance details will probably be answered anyway so we'll focus on the other things that performance specific yep all right let's get into it so the first question that a lot of people want to know about was pricing of these new parts which is fair enough if you're spending a lot of money on one of these products you want to you want to know what what its gonna be priced up right makes sense yep so they didn't really give us any specific information around pricing so in general like Intel they list the parts that they have and how much they cost for like OMS on their website so you can get a rough idea of like per per unit cost but with AMD they don't really do that and it's kind of hard to get an idea of the actual pricing that you know om is gonna be playing these parts for yeah even the Intel parts they have the listed price but you never know what sort of bulk discounts they're getting you know I imagine the really big OMS have fairly significant discounts when they're buying you're hundreds of thousands of these chips so yeah it's a bit annoying that maybe Emily doesn't have the direct comparison that you can make but it sounds like from what we're hearing that pricing will be fairly similar to the previous generation so what Verizon 730 750 extras price days worked the rise and 7 in 4000 is going to be priced at yeah that was the impression I got as well and you know by the time this video is probably out they'll probably be a lot of laptops with detailed pricing information available and if there are models like the asou stuff series that have you know like there's an AMD version and there's an Intel version yeah you can probably roughly compare the price but it's also going to depend on I think how much so say like a sous or ms I actually want to sell that product for because if it at the end of the day if it does end up performing better you could kind of see it from their perspective that they might want to increase the price ahead of the Intel model to try and make more money on something that's doing better I mean it's not ideal if the processor is cheaper and we could be you know getting some savings there but that's just the way it is at the end of the day businesses want to make money yes it's possible as well that if there's like a unique rise in design that's like doesn't have an intel part in it they've made it really thin to take advantage of the the power savings or whatever these HS series something like that it's possible that single SKU could be you know priced really high and much higher than like an equivalent Intel system so that's possible but I think in general we'll see cheaper prices than Intel or at least equivalent for a lot of this stuff yeah I think they kind of need to do that as well to try and I guess get the foot in the door kind of thing yeah because you know it's not no surprise but rise in 3000 buy more CPUs they weren't they weren't the best 4000 seems like it's a good step up so if they're trying to you know get that I guess market share you know hopefully the prices aren't you know too crazy so that would certainly help with that situation I think yeah so the next question was around temperatures so obviously a lot of people don't want their laptops running hot sir yep how did the rise in 4000 series CPUs compare in terms of heat there's a good question but at the moment you know they didn't really go into too much detail with regards to temperatures and it kind of makes sense every laptops kind of unique in that regard like they've got different cooling solutions variants yeah a lot of exactly so what yeah one of the questions was around fan noise for instance like someone let me ask AMD about fan noise like I can't really do that because every single machine is going to differ and there's so many variables that something like that isn't really something I can find out until I get this to test myself yeah it does sound like though that the systems are going to try and push the thermal solution as much as they possibly can there's some new technologies in these risin four thousand chips that take advantage of things like skin temperature tracking for example so they have a sensor that's attached directly to you like our iminium exterior or whatever or aluminum for u.s. viewers and then it sort of you know you can boost up much higher than the rate of it goes up to the rate of clock speeds obviously but it can boost higher than normal for a longer than normal if you're running in a really cold environment you haven't been doing a lot of things recently so then boost for longer if you coming from a hotter state that it might boost for a shorter period of time all up to that limit that they're sort of the OEM has predetermined is OK for the skin temperature so I think that's going to be really interesting to see how that differs from REM system to OEM system but if that's giving people more performance I think a lot of om choose to maybe run their systems a bit warmer to get those boost clocks up for longer yeah so the way that works is essentially I was told that in laptops that just have the so the CPU and the Vega graphics so no discrete graphics there's two sensors so in addition to like the sensors on on the chip itself which is what they're at the moment there's like sensors on the on the chassis at different points so performance is really going to also depend on the temperature of the whole system rather than just the internals which is an interesting idea because you know you don't want your system to be too hot when you're like touching it because that's just an unpleasant experience and yeah with the if you have discrete graphics I think they said there were three sensors so another extra data point to get information to make the decisions on how much the different components again a boost and I think that's really gonna it's gonna add some challenges into testing I think because you know at the moment it already depend that the Sony something different variables already like power limits and cooling solutions and now there's just this extra thing like how cool is the keyboard area is that can affect like my Cinebench scores yeah it'll be really interested in seeing I think it's important to mention that as well that these aren't technologies that are designed to reduce performance it's not like they're putting these sensors on and making sure that it runs really cool for you it's more that Amy's figured out that we can actually go higher and longer with these clock speeds to give you more performance we saw a demo yesterday with sort of Cinebench running with and without this technology implemented and to be fair it is an optional feature for OEM so there's a choice to enable stt which is the feature we've been talking about and the Cinebench scores for are 20 which takes a fair while to run we're still very high after you know maybe 10 15 runs they're still getting almost the performance they were seeing from that first run which as we've seen from even Intel chips AMD chips right now is not something we really see too much of it dies off very quickly so sounds like a really cool technology yeah so it was interesting because it was able to obviously keep boosting higher and perform better for longer which is what you want so the demo they had there unfortunately we weren't able to film and realistically it's probably not something we'll ever be able to test ourselves because they had two laptops one with this and one without so I don't know if there's gonna be any situation where for some reason you can buy it with and without that seems unlikely or unless the users given the option to disable it maybe it seems like it was only they were using a me reference systems hence why we couldn't film it because they don't want that stuff getting out I guess but yeah imagine that there's just going to be a situation we have to test and OEM that's chosen to use it and an OEM that's chosen not to use it and from the sounds of it with stt version 2 in these rise and 4000 processes is easier to implement that feature they've made it less complicated for OEM so more likely for them to use it and I think we'll see a lot more laptops with these with really long boost durations which will be much better for people overall yeah so in short better performance but temperatures probably still going to be up there which makes sense like if you're selling a laptop you kind of want it to perform good compared to the competition you're not going to want to kneecap it just so it is cooler for people that you know about temperatures if you want to do that you know most most software like options that OEMs provide give you the option of turning down to different profiles to limit the high limits are exactly so you probably have options to do that but I think for the most part this is a pretty good pretty good choice because more performance more better right love that more better yeah it's one of the other areas a lot of people were asking about was battery life and lucky for you AMD spent quite a lot of time going into details on all things battery life related which kind of makes sense you know laptops are meant to be portable I mean I really use mine most of the time on power to get good performance but they are designed to be portable so yeah what sort of improvements did we see with battery ooh lots of stuff lots of cool demos it sounds like we're getting benefits from really two main areas with these chips there's firstly the benefit from the APU itself which they're claiming around a 20% improvement and of course that is including the extra performance that you get so it's not like 20% better at the same level of performance as the previous generation it is the full performance of Rison 4000 plus 20% extra battery life so those two things combined is certainly very impressive and then on top of that Amy's made a big commitment to working with OMS to use low-power components outside of the APU so whether that's you know one what displays or lower power SSDs was a big thing they were talking about really optimizing all the components so that you don't just get the 20% from the APU but potentially you know another 20% from using a lower power display lower power memory low power SSD so yeah those are the two main areas I think yeah and there were a few other or quite a few actually a lot of different things they talked about so there's other things like just with the new 4000 series processors like lower idle temperatures it's faster to like swap to see CPU off states basically all these things that add up to improve battery life which i think is great to see I mean obviously you need to wait and test them and do some battery life tests but sounding like it's pretty good and they've taken it into consideration yeah especially for the u series I think the the 3000 series was perhaps a bit underwhelming therefore the battery life a lot of you see users complaining that not really getting what their affecting at the same time I think a lot of people suffered from those you serious parts being in lower end products that tend to use more like you have 30 to 40 what our class batteries as opposed to your premium laptops to have 60 plus yeah so that's hurt them but it sounds like they they've really been laser focused on this area as a really key concern for them and the numbers that we've seen comparing you know 4,800 you versus isolate look pretty good at least from what AMD saying yeah so we of course have to take their numbers with a grain of salt but again performance details will probably be up with by the time you see this anyway that's right so one of the other questions I got was are we going to see these AMD CPUs paired with higher tier GPUs which is a good question because right now at least again in February in February at the moment in the past who knows how things will change at CES at least the highest tier graphics that we saw on Nvidia side was the asou Sepphoris g14 which has the RT x 2060 max here quite a mouthful there yep and then on the Nvidia side certainly Nvidia side I am D side with Radeon they've got the 5600 M in the Dell g5 special edition so they have also announced the 5700 M but at the moment I haven't personally seen that listed with any laptop so I'm not sure where when we'll see that or what products it'll be in but oh yeah so are we gonna see any better GPUs than that what's the deal well it sounds like there's no actual restriction so it's not like Amy's going you can't put a 20 80 over 20 70 with these parts or super products when they come out in the future so yeah they're just saying that they'll be possible but as far as we know the OEMs are probably working on it but they haven't actually been announced in February at this point yet yes sir it'll probably happen but my guess it is you know if there's new NVIDIA Super Max q whatever the name Angela things are TX soup and that SQ product um yeah assuming something like that comes out in the future it would make sense for them to hold off maybe like a month or two until there's a new new product available otherwise you get into this weird situation where you know you might launch a RT X 2070 laptop and then like a month later you get the Super Max Q TMG force special edition version and then what that product is just like doesn't sell or you know it's just an awkward situation so I think for the higher end GPUs assuming there is something new not too far off it probably makes sense just to hold off a bit I think yeah that's right and it sounded like at least from the short term aim these OEMs were working more on the sort of the mainstream volume they've been putting a lot of emphasis on making sure that they hit the mainstream segments as as you know MDD tends to target sort of you the mainstream price points you know getting it into those systems with your GT x-series GPUs instead of r-tx so it sounds like they're still working on that quite heavily but there's definitely still going to be high-end systems from the sounds of it so yeah it's not like it's gonna be just the cheapo options like we've seen from maybe the 3000 series yeah they're going to be targeting all sorts of things yeah which makes perfect sense like if you're coming into this market you want to you want to make a product I suppose that more people are likely to buy and you know realistically most people are going mid range rather than high-end it's just the way it is gonna cost yep yeah so there will be some we just don't know when hopefully you have learned more by the time yeah you might video guys you might know more than us yeah it's another question that I got asked was is the 4908 your thing because that's C yes I think they only mentioned the 4,800 H and 4,800 HS so is this 4900 H of room or or what's going on with that well lucky for us we did get that and actually announced for real at the event we've seen I think by the time this video comes out probably a lot of people who have seen the announcement cuz the NBA will have lifted but certainly they are going to be offering you know another 8 core 16 thread parts still the same 8 core 16 tread design but I think as of right now we don't know the final specs of the H model we do the HS specs but it's looking like they're going to be was unlocking one of the say used to go from 7 to 8 and then bumping clocks pieces sounds like the situation yes the clock speeds were 100 megahertz higher on the base and boost with the HS which is interesting because the 4900 HS is a 35 for part whereas 4800 H is a 45 what part yes they're somehow they're achieving those higher clock speeds and a chess model over the HTML which suggests some sort of bene yeah so it you know I still need to test this stuff which are probably done by now but yeah it's it's really interesting because in theory less power but more performance so yeah does kind of imply that there must be some sort of bidding process there in order to get those top performing chips as the like forty nine forty nine hundred series it seems like a MIDI has a significant capability to do this based on what we've seen with the desktop parts 3900 X versus don't know 50 X for example you get an extra four cores for about the same level of power consumption same situation on a thread Ripper so it will be a bit different because it's a monolithic die so it'd be really interesting to see exactly how the bidding goes in that larger chip where there's more or less variants yeah so if you who who really knows at this stage but it sounds like that's how they're able to achieve that sort of part which yeah interesting gives better benefits for consumers again it'll also be interesting to see how the what the 4900 H is ends up being expected because we weren't given those specs at the moment and that's a 45 watt part so 10 watts above the HS and as as I said just before the HS is like 100 megahertz higher than the 10 watt higher 4800 H so if you have the 4900 H at the same same power like who knows what suppose you could but maybe they don't even know what's possible that's why they couldn't yeah ever locked it down yet the cantos yeah I think as well that it's we're not just going the the clock speeds with the the HS more which I found really interesting to hear about was that you know in videos doing a lot of validation for parts like the 4900 HS and 4800 HS to make sure that you know consumers getting really high quality systems with high quarry components yeah so that was something that I also wasn't aware of going into this was with the HS CPUs at C yes they basically only seemed to pop up in the G 14 and at the time it was basically just like oh it's 10 watt slower but it's still a 4800 so still 8 cause 16 threads and it was kind of implied at that point that it was just a lower power limit because you know the G 14 is a thinner lighter 14 inch machine which kind of makes sense you can't go too - crazy yeah you got to keep it fairly moderate but apparently it's there's a bit more to it than that sir yeah it sounds like it's going through - like your screen again it's like what we were talking about previously with you know AMD choosing to work close more closely with these OEMs on battery life by improving components throughout the system it sounds like for the HS chips that is a that the only they're only going to give HS of alle Dacian to OEMs that are using high-end components and high and efficient components so that you get the benefit of both the you know better binge trip at 35 watts plus you know the efficient SSDs efficient displays and you know Amy's going through and choosing a whole bunch of parts that fit that sort of program it'll be interesting to see how that goes how well AMD chooses these components whether they're making the right choices they'll be hard to see until we get more om devices but it was really interesting to hear about that something that we hadn't seen before yeah it's like pretty much almost as if it's like going to be its own ecosystem like there are other considerations as well like they want to make sure the thermals are in check before allowing you know NHS ship to go into one of these machines so there's just like all of these nice features that you would want as someone buying a laptop though it looks lease it sounds like AMD are kind of enforcing if companies want to actually use this chip I think part of those because we've seen AMD get burned a lot with the OEM interactions that you know an OEM just buys a Rison chip like maybe a rise in 3u series part they put it in like a really crappy design and then suddenly people have this bad opinion of the horizon products and maybe they're not as in incentivized to upgrade to like a risin 5 horizon 7 model in the future because they've bought this really crappy OEM system so it sounds like across you know HS for sort of your gaming products and then the integrations that they're doing with the user is stuff that they're trying to snap that out as much as they can and we'll see a lot more closely worked designs for these things which Intel already does they already do a lot of that and I think Amy's now sort of stepping up with that sort of thing yeah and with the so with the 4900 H 2 HS and the 4,800 H they're all 8 cores 16 parts so three and that's quite interesting because on the Intel side we only have the I nines with eight cores 16 threads at the moment and they're all 45 watt parts so you know that I've only ever seen those in much thicker more expensive machines yeah what the muscle books is looks I don't think I've ever actually said that name so yeah it's a shot guy yeah let's go back to everything that one doesn't exist but yeah it's it's it's really interesting especially like I guess it's probably getting away from the original question now but like the the you series but with the still 8 cores 16 threads but 15 watts so being able to get what was traditionally in the past only available in those say it again muscle books in the slimmer machines really interesting yeah I think you know it's unlikely that the 15 what part is going to perform as well as Intel's 45 what 8 core part but from the numbers that we've seen it sounds like even in 15 ones with 8 cause they're able to get up to the eight series type performance that Intel's providing we say you know you 97 58 years I mean it's based on like Cinebench scores and stuff like that which is how representative is that across a whole range of workloads but certainly the performance they've been showing is much higher from there eight core 15 what part compared to anything until it's been able to offer it even they're just like the six core like the ten ten seven ten news ten seven ten you at the guy on stage for AMD was nailing those Intel product names well you know who stays research yeah I know who he practiced I get wood salad every time we record it your great names there anyway yeah so in short 4,900 H&H s off versus another coming yep I said Jared's past off the question asking to me for this one which is yeah bit of fun apparently got a bunch of questions about under vaulting in from right and sort of how that's gonna go with rise to 4,000 so you did you asked a lot of questions about this in some of our sessions so what information have you got Jared yes apparently guess what are you interested in this because it was a really high uploaded comment so yeah in the past as a lot of you know I do under bolting on the laptops I test which have mostly been Intel based machines so you know you either use Intel XTU or throttle stop to lower the voltage which you know generally helps improve either performance or temperatures sometimes both so you know as an enthusiast it's nice to have those options if you want to get some extra performance earlier machine is occasionally in like Cinebench aa 20 it's pretty common to see 200 to 400 points extra in multi-core which is great significant improvement really like overclocking a laptop just in a slightly different way of doing mind of year I mean some people do refer to under bolting as overclocking I mean it feels a bit dirty to me but I understand you're getting a better performance so it's similar so what AMD are doing in the past as you might know horizon 3000 series has an offered under bolting support so it wasn't something we could do previously but with this generation it sounds like so it's interesting yeah so there's good and bad news the good news is that technically under bolting will be possible with Rison 4000 series CPUs so I was told that they'll be offering the hooks available to developers in order to make these changes the bad news is AMD isn't providing like an XTU style utility that just allows you to go in and do this yourself so no rise and Master for example then you're opening that up in the utilities that have no desktop at least not at the moment maybe if there's more pressure so in the comments get on them get on that maybe there's more pressure they might do it but it sounded like they wanted the OEMs to offer this sort of option so maybe in like you're a sous armory crate software or MSI dragon center software type thing along with overclocking settings maybe there might be an under vaulting setting it would be up to them to implement that yeah I guess a third-party like say the guys that developed throttle stop someone could probably come along and do something similar for AMD whether or not that'll happen yet to be seen but yeah at the moment it doesn't seem like AMD you're going to be offering that support and it's kind of makes sense based on how they explained it so as is typical with AMD if you've seen like Radeon graphics or other CPU reviews any time you try and overclock those bits they're really go too much further than stock so yeah that's right they're kind of like already pushing it to the limit which i think is pretty good because you know I don't want to buy something and have to go in and tune it I mean you know some people like that basic box I think it's great to have it out of the box I mean why do it myself if they can already offer it in the best possible way that's yeah that's great especially for people that don't know any better they're going to be getting extra performance that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to tap into yeah it certainly sounded like they were with these new chips they're running the voltage limits much tighter to the sort of specifications then you might get with an intel parts there's not as much Headroom there and sound like it was right that they test every single chip and then make its own voltage frequency curve if I guess allows them to sort of put different parts in different places and different parts of the product stack but also really removes that under volting Headroom so they're basically just running it really low to begin with giving you that good performance out of the box and allowing things like precision boost and stab them and stt all those you know boost technologies that they've got to really push up as far as they can go let it run for as long as possible I think all that's gonna help with that yeah so it sounds like it's probably going to be quite good out of the box but potentially maybe for the h-series only there might be some software utilities that allow this or maybe it might be implemented in the BIOS on some machines yeah I'm gonna really have to wait and see but it doesn't sound too good but at least it does sound like there is some progress compared to 3000 series yeah it's kind of interesting because you we don't really see under vaulting available through those software to these on until platforms do we it's mostly just you click it and like overclocks it so will we really see under vaulting in these utilities on ambi I'm pretty doubtful yeah it's pretty uncommon like I've only had a very small handful of machines actually have it unlocked in the BIOS by default but yeah obviously anyone can install exterior but a lot of people don't know about it realistically I'm sure a very small number of people actually go in and under bolt to get the performance so I think by AMD doing it as you say out of the box I think it's probably a better move anyway so with the new CPUs we've still got Vega graphics inside so is that any different to the previous generation because I had Vega - right so the same yeah it's interesting it's been assuming a very heavily upvoted question that you've got because lots of people were sort of myself included I was sort of expecting maybe our DNA will be in these parts but nope vague is still in there but it isn't the same Vega it sounds like again where I was speaking to David from a and B he sort of was suggesting that at the time they were developing these rise in 4,000 parts they had the choice to go do they push down the Vega path or do they push down our DNA and it sounded like the optimizations they were able to do you know they have to optimize either one of those paths and it sounded like the Vega option was the path that would give the results better give better results do it sooner I'm not sure whatever they decided they've they've decided to optimize Vega so it isn't the same and one of the main things they've been able to is obviously just put on seven nanometers so in doing that they're able to get higher clock speeds which means that even though they reduced the compute unit count down from 11 to 8 they're able to push the clock speeds higher which gives a significant performance advantage then on top of that it sounds like there's been a bunch of just your standard power like optimization techniques that they sort of it sounded like they'd learnt a few things from Navi so if it's not an avi GPU but they've learnt things from that ship that they're able to bring back to Vega for this generation and then the third thing that allows them to get more performs as well as the shifter lpddr4 X memory there's a lot of talk throughout the event about these ap use our bandwidth constraints significantly on the memory they can't use like ug DDR series memory that we see from actual GPUs so they're stuck with DDR stuff which kind of sucks like ddr4 2400 that we saw with rise in previous generations far too slow yes big difference so by putting lpddr4 X in which gives you more than a 2x I think it may be maybe slightly less than 2x and Loras managed maybe it was like 70% 80% that's huge and also allows Vania to perform better than it did previously so we do see the CEOs get cut down that was a space constraint apparently could get that die small but we still should be seeing substantial performance gain before you seriously buy 15 watts same architect but maybe slight differences to the architecture and they gain 20 to 30 percent more performance not bad yeah that sounds pretty good I'll have to test it out and compare it with like Intel iris graphics and yeah last gen Vega it's kind of hard for me to test that stuff unfortunately because I guess I mostly get gaming laptop so you know top-of-the-line discrete graphics it's really uncommon that I actually get one that's just got like Vega or Intel but yeah the performance they showed had quite it was quite a lot better than like the ice Lake options yeah that's right they obviously have spent a lot of time comparing these chips to you know the 1065 g7 in particular which is the fully unlocked version of you know they're ice Lake parts and you know I mean it's fair to say that with the rise in 3000 series parts the current GPU that they've got already is quite competitive with ice lake so anything that we're going to be giving with this generation is just going to be pushing them ahead and it sounds like they're not just pushing ahead by a little bit but actually a substantial amount over ice lake which will help them out when tiger lake comes out early not earlier this year much later this year so when that comes out it sounds like they're doing a lot that your XC graphics should be in that ship so when that comes out we'll expect more performance and these chips should be still very competitive with that given what we've seen and it's only using vago so it's pretty impressive yeah it seems like there's a lot of change going on in the integrated graphics space like even the iris graphics was a nice step up over what Intel had before but of course nero vega is still open least according to AMD's numbers at this time a fair bit better so it could be interesting that will get you know a lot of a lot more thin and light machines that are actually capable of doing some lightweight gaming yeah I think it will say oh you never know for sure but there should be fewer options out there that will opt for the MX series graphics because yeah aim you spent a whole bunch of time saying like you know we we didn't extend the size of our die because making these chips bigger is a significant burden on OMS so if they can offer like MX 250 MX 330 type graphics in the single integrated chip that solves a whole bunch of OEM problems because it suddenly they don't need to add that second low-power discrete GPU in there should be more battery efficient and you know while previous generation mobile wasn't quite at the level of sort of your MX series chips that was still got a bit bit more performance out of an MX 250 yeah it sounds like this should be very competitive again I was a bit surprised they didn't compare that in any of the numbers that we've seen so we haven't seen we haven't seen like I select plus your MX series we haven't seen like comic-like plus MX yeah but I would expect performance to be similar which would be very impressive yeah so it's looking pretty good there so one of the other questions a lot of people really wanted to know is how do these new mobile CPUs from AMD compare to the Intel competition I mean obviously that's a very good question but a lot of people are going to want to know because Intel is currently the Dominator in the laptop space yeah yeah it's interesting that Emily felt confident enough to not just talk about like the flagship parts like 4800 you 4880 actually went through and said here's how Verizon 5 performs here's our rise and three performs and I think at this point we probably will have actual benchmark numbers for at least like the 4,800 you from the sounds of things but as far as the AMD numbers are concerned for say you've rise in five versus Core i5 it's looking pretty promising yeah they had again a number of different games and like realistic content creator workloads that type of thing looked like some pretty good improvements there sir being good to see it sounds like even in some of those situations the rise in 5 vs. choir 5 is they able to offer even more performance than say at Rison 7 versus core i7 yeah because you think about it like if you go from 6 cores to 8 cores it's less of a percentage gaining cause than going from 4 cores to 6 cores which is what they're offering sort of your core i5 versus versus Rison 5 so I think across the lineup it looks like especially those low-end chips are going to be very very impressive and really provide a lot more performance and sort of those entry-level to mid range systems yeah and with the new stuff comparing to rise in 3,000 an interesting comment that I brought up was with regards to the 3758 sir as you may know prior to rising 4,000 that was essentially their top-of-the-line CPU for gaming which was four cores eight threads performed a bit worse than the 8th gen I 580 300 H so obviously an i7 with extra calls is just gonna come along and you know iterated it yeah that's be honest yes yeah then let's then there's also the i9 with 8 cores but you know Amy doesn't even want to talk about that comparison yeah so yeah with regards to the 37:58 I found it interesting that AMD actually noted that that was basically and it was it was an opportunity that they had in the market to move into so it sounds like they just had the 3700 year and they realized they could essentially boost the power limit and clock speeds and then hey we've suddenly got this CPU that we can sell in some gaming laptops yeah so rather than spending any sort of major development effort it did sound like it was a quick fix as opposed to with these Rison 4000 shippers where it sounds like they put a lot more effort into the H series that sort of Gaunt oh look actually people by the gaming laptop so now we've got a you know in let's actually make a CH series really compelling and really good so I think we'll see a situation with this generation that certainly the H series parts will be providing a significant performance gain and really start challenging you know the entirety of Intel's lineup basically yeah and if it's doing that then it's essentially making the 3000 series just look a lot lower comparatively yeah and I think we'll see even the risin 5 was a 4600 H I think that will be much faster than 3750 H oh yeah because I mean 6 cores so that immediately gives you a benefit and then it's Zen too so I think there won't be really any chip in AMD's like maybe you series that will be equivalent 2058 you have to go quite far down the stack to get that level of performance yeah which is fine with me yeah get rid of that pretend that one didn't happen yeah I guess it's probably good from like a it sounds like they've learnt a lot from it like it's kind of like I guess getting your foot in the door kind of thing into that market yeah and now they've got a lot more information with to go ahead with 4000 series so those were the top uploaded questions left by you guys for risin 4000 I hope it was interesting hope you got some of the answers if not they'll definitely be a lot of videos coming from both myself and Tim hardware unboxed over next probably a few weeks probably even prior to this yep so yeah make sure you subscribe to both that channels will definitely have a lot of content on these machines coming in the future I'm sure yeah it'll be I think you'll be a bit of a process over the next few months to get a lot of different SKUs in because you know we've heard here at the event that AMD is providing at least a 4,800 you system to begin with it sounds like the 4,800 H or 4900 X not quite sure he's also gonna be available but might be a bit later and yeah as we've seen from a lot of the even with Intel stuff core i5s are hard to come by for testing at least units you still never had one so you know I've found a difficult outside of you series to get like a 90 300h and you've found impossible basically yeah so whether yeah hopefully we can get some systems over the next few months that sort of address all the different markets and have some really good numbers and what do any of comparisons I've been telling you a different you me nothing like you got to smash out those comparisons yeah I'll probably end up just buying a bunch of machines just to get it done if I can't get AMD yeah yeah so if you got any other questions about risin 4000 I guess let me know in the comments I'll see what I can do to answer yeah you still reply to every single comment on my first it's very impressive you know I've been talking to Jared who at this event is like yo I've got to go back to the hotel we've got to answer your respond to all these comments I'm like how do you have time for this I just make time yeah cut out that sleep don't here just are based with your comments so yeah you'll be he'll be in there respond to anything so get in there yeah so thanks for watching and again make sure you subscribe to hadron box to check him out\n"