2019 Hyundai Kona EV First Impressions; Tesla Model Y & Fisker Inc. SUV _ Talking Cars #195
It's a great day to talk about cars. We have some fantastic questions from our audience, and we're going to tackle each one of them today.
First up, let's talk about the G37. You know, that car has been with us for a long time, and it's still going strong. And you know what? It's not just about the car itself, but also about the convenience of servicing it in your hometown. I mean, who wants to drive 45 miles just to get their car serviced?
Now, I know what you're thinking. "But what about all the great service centers out there?" Well, let me tell you, Keith, I think we're in a location that's pretty unique. We've got the best-selling cars in America right here with us, and yet we still have to consider the convenience of servicing our imports.
I mean, it's not necessarily about whether the car is foreign or domestic. It's about reliability. And let me tell you, if you're getting a new car, you want to make sure that the manufacturer is going to take care of you in case something goes wrong. Whether it's a recall service or routine maintenance, you want to know that your dealer can handle it.
And another thing, Keith, is that even if you're driving around in the country, and you haven't seen another car for hours, breaking down can be a real problem. I mean, who wants to wait for an hour or more for a tow truck to show up? Not me!
Now, I know some of our listeners might be thinking, "But what about shopping the service portion of those dealerships?" Well, Keith, that's a great idea! Do your research, read online reviews, and see if the dealership can offer you a loaner car or shuttle service. It's all about planning ahead and being prepared.
And finally, let's talk about tires. You know, Keith, I think it's time we broke down those stereotypes between foreign and domestic cars when it comes to service centers. I mean, some rural dealerships might have a harder time getting parts, especially for tires. It can take two or three days to get a tire there, whereas in an urban setting, they can get it quicker.
So there you have it, folks. Reliability is key, and planning ahead is essential when it comes to servicing your car. And don't forget to do your research and shop around before making any decisions.
Thanks for watching Talking Cars, and we'll see you next time!
"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enOn this episode we talk aboutthree electric vehicles,including the 2019Hyundai Kona EV,that we just bought at thetrack, the announcementof the Tesla Model Y, anda promise of a Fisker SUV.We also take audience questions,next, on Talking Cars.Welcome to Talking Cars.I'm Jennifer Stockburger.I'm Ryan Pszczolkowski.And I'm Keith Barry.So we have a lot toget through today.You'll see of a commonthread to the carswe're going to talk about.So the first is new news.We'd be remiss if we didn'ttalk about the announcementof the Tesla Model Y. So Ryan,got any details on the Model Y?Yes, so the Model Y is goingto be like a Model 3 jacked upwith a taller roof.Going to be a little SUV.SUV-Ish.Seven.They're claiming it's goingto hold seven people, whichis pretty impressivefiguring it's goingto be on a Model 3 platform.So they're goingto be a long rangeversion for about $47,000in 2020, and then 2021they're going to comeout with the performanceversion for about $60,000.Kind of like theydid with the Model 3.The expensive onescome first, and thenthe affordable-ishones come after that.But, you know it's going to befast, just like the Model 3.Probably fun to driveI would imagine.The Model 3 was--it had some things we didn'tcare for the first time.The door handles,some of the controls.The model-- yeahthe model wide'sprobably going to havesome of this stuff,but it was fun to drive.Yeah.But that's good, though, becauseit's-- because it shows thatTesla is actually-- it's notreinventing the wheel everytime that they make a new car.That this, where this car isbased, and you said platform.Like it's basedon something else.Yeah.That they're already making.Right, which I think theystruggled with the Model X. Wasthis futuristic, alittle too far out therekind of a car that was--it just didn't catch.And it's good-- I mean I thinkproduction-wise, as well.It means that theycan build somethingbased on what they'vealready learned.And it's iterative.It's not like they'regoing to go out and dosomething groundbreaking.It's they're moving in adirection that people want.People want crossovers,people want Teslas,so make a crossover Tesla.Smpart.And then just standardsafety features,forward collision warning,blind spot monitoring,all the automatic emergencybraking, which is we love.So.And I think we covered--we certainly covered it.The keys to successwill be delivering itwhen they say they'regoing to deliver it.So they were closeston the Model 3,but people can get onthere and order it now,you can put yourpreorder in now.So getting it when theysay they're going to.So similar lines, luxury,electric, is Fisker.The return of the Fisker.So no name yet, butanother all electric SUV.Yeah, this is one I'm notentirely as optimistic about.I'm just going to getright out there and say it.So Fisker is named afterthis guy Henrik Fisker.He's a Dutch car designer,genius, brilliant.The person being-- theguy behind the BMW Z8.Makes some beautiful cars.Then the Fisker,Karma which I know wehave some blogs about that.That--Hair stands up a little bit.That company is no longer.This is a new companycalled Fisker Inc. It's notFisker Automotive anymore,but it's still Henrik Fisker,so his name's still on it.So this is-- we've been hearinga lot of rumblings from Fiskerthat they were going to come outwith this new car, the Emotion.It was supposed to havethis groundbreakingnew type of battery thatwas supposed to charge intwo minutes, andreally amazing, and itwas going to be out by 2020.This is not that car.Right.This is an SUV that getslike a 300 mile range,and costs about $40,000.There is no production facility.There isn't even a prototype.There's just a picture.I think someone was really,really good in Photoshop,and was able to create this.We'll see.We'll see.We'll see.There are a lot ofcompanies out therethat have said things like this.And to be clear, HenrikFisker I don't thinkwould have trouble findinga place to produce a car.He's done these builds before.Right.But a little--well, why don't youtell us what happened to Karma.Yeah.So we brought upthe Fisker Karma.The Karma was abeautiful looking car.I mean, it was--To Henrik Fisker notoriety.The styling was phenomenal.I mean, it was areal eye catcher.It was super long, kindof like Batmobile-ish.I mean this thing was--it was big.And it did not perform so well.I think we had it.We had roughly 200 mileson it, and it went backto the dealer on aflatbed, because it wasparalyzed on our parking lot.It actually died on the track,like we couldn't move it.Yeah.No, it was not a good look.The car was super heavy.It weighed like--I think I actuallylooked it up 5,395 pounds.That's heavier thana Dodge Durango,so put that in perspective,that's ridiculous.It's tiny inside, right?That was--The interior was so tight.I mean I barely fit in it.My head would touch theceiling in the front seatwith it all the way down.The back seat, forget it.And this car was huge.I mean, it was long, andthe cockpit was tiny.It was-- the interiorhad beautiful suede,but some of the materialsweren't really that nice.The car was $108,000 andit was just not there.I'm mean it had a littlefour cylinder turbo from GMin the engine bay.Enormous engine bay.It kicked on when youran out of your 40 milerange of electricity.And it sounded like a Briggsand Stratton lawnmower engine,it was--Coming out of this beautiful.It was not put together well.It looked nice fromabout 20 yards.And after that--And I think that's the point.The reliability, we hadso many issues with it.But that's not eventhe performancescore of the performanceissues were--It did not perform, either.It didn't perform, either.It was a flop.Yeah.Well, Colin Powell andJustin Bieber owned them.So--So can--Everybody should have one.How early 2000s can you get?That's who I lookto when I buy a car,I want to know ifColin Powell had it.And Bieber.Especially him.Yeah.Then I go look for it.Well, we'll see.Hopefully it's better than that.We'll see.And I'm rooting for it.I'm rooting for anythingthat comes along,and any new company,anything interesting.But you need a place to build itif you're going to build a car.But to your point,they're buildingwhat people are buying.These compact, luxurySUVs, and the electric,anytime the technology canlead from a Fisker or Tesla,and trickle down, isalways a good thing.So bring it on.The technology isgetting better.I mean in 2012, thatwas earlier days.It's come a long,long way since then.So hopefully they canput something together.Even our notes.300 miles range.300 miles range.That's--That's the number that peopleI guess feel comfortable with.So keeping with ourelectric trend--And a crossover.And a crossover trend, Isaid you'd see some threadsin this episode, here they are.But this is a much moremainstream vehicle.We have delivery now ofthe 2019 Hyundai Kona EV.We paid about$42,000, all electric.And that's beforetax incentives.Right, right.That's the sticker.I will say that.Promising range,258 miles, promised.Obviously we'llsee what that does.It expands, if you don'tremember the Hyundai Kona gasversion was recently a toppick for our April stories.That whole segment, subcompactSUVs, has some compromises.The Konas definitelystood up above the othersin not feeling as compromised.Did you get achance to drive it?The EV?Yeah, the EV.I drove both of them.And I mean, honestly youget into it, and asidefrom a slightly weird sortof central console layout,it just feels like a normal car.You open the trunk,it's the same.It's the same.The seats fold down, there'snothing weird about it.I mean the grille haskind of an odd sortof little pattern on it.I think it's kind of cool.It might be a little polarizing.But driving it, I mean it'sone of the things we didn'tlike about the regular Kona isthat it was a little sluggish.A little sluggish.And that little fourcylinder just didn't do it.Again, that whole segment.Exactly.And this car, that electricmotor, I mean it's not it'snot a rocket ship, but it moves.And then the center of gravity,I mean everything about it,it just makes it-- electrifyingthis car makes it a better car.Except for one of our co-workershad it during a snowstorm,one of those greatlate March snowstorms.Just enough.That we get here.And it was just enough,and he found himself kindof going about 25 milesan hour, looking outthe side windowsforwards, reallytrying to get traction back.And I mean I think that's oneof the issues electric cars.You have that torque.This is also a frontwheel drive only.It looks like acrossover, but it does notcome with all wheel drive.Right.And also the tires, too, right?Yes.So this is not--Yeah.Yeah, we've seen this before.Electrics, hybrids.Right?Right, so I mean it's thefront wheel drive car.So and it's electric so it'sgot the electricity torque.Torque city.The front wheels are doingthe driving and steering.So from the factory,they're goingto put a low rollingresistance tire on this carto get the bestnumbers they can.And number is superimportant for them,because they want it to beatthe mold, they want it to--they wanted to squeezeanything out of this thing.In fact, any car nowadays,one of the easiest thingsyou can do to a carfrom the factoryis slap on a set of tires thatare low rolling resistanceto get a mile or two better--Gas or electric.Right.We've actually done testing.So what are these?What are these tires?Specifically?They are low rollingresistance tires,which means they takeless resistance to roll,which means the car hasto use less energy to go.Essentially.Right.So we've actually done sometesting in our tire department,where we've taken to twodifferent brand new setof tires, a high-low-- ahigh rolling resistance tireand a low rollingresistance tire,and we've seen two to threemiles per gallon differenceon the highway.Which doesn't seem like a lot.That's actually huge.I mean, you don't justget that for nothing.And so obviously they'regoing to slap these tireson a car like this,and typically wefind that tires that havereally low rolling resistancemight have a little--excuse me.No traction will bea little bit down,and wet grip is not as good.And that was the other thing.You notice that in thatsort of in a puddle.Slushy rain.Slushy rain, pulling awayfrom a stop, the wheels--there is-- and there'swheel spin and almostall EVs that arefront wheel drive.Yeah, it's got-- it kindof got two things goingagainst it, there.I mean I thinkyou've said it well.That car-- the electric motormakes that car a little nicer.It doesn't feel that heavy,it still drives nice.The only thingthat I didn't likewas the console, like youmentioned, it's a little funny,but it's wider.Yeah.In my mind, I'm alittle more cramped.You need the room.But other than that,it's a normal car.The regular Kona, I loved itbecause I could get in it,and just drive.I'd didn't to figure out thescreens like in the Model3 or anything funky.It's just a normal car.I think it's worth noting, too,that you can change that gripissue with a different tire.Right.You're not stuck would that.That would also mean, maymean you change your range.A little bit.So when you getto the point whereyou're replacing that notgrippy original equipment tire,yes, you can fix that, butyou can compromise your rangeas well.Now when it comesto range, and wehaven't done anythingofficial, but we have seenat least, when I was driving.The number on the dashboard--Yes, I was goingto say same thing.It's pretty close.So if you're-- it's not like oneof these cars that says it hasa 258 mile range, and all of asudden you turn on the heaterand it drops to 100.So--One mile was one mile in range.So if you lose a couple if youput snows on it for the winter,and you lose a littlebit of range, it's--I don't think it's goingto be the end of it--I don't think it's going tomake this car undrivable.I think that this is--I love it, honestly.I really like it.So.There's a coupleof things I noted.One was, you talkedabout the console.We had this great simple,great controls in the Kona gas.They replaced that nicesimple gear selectorwith push buttons.I was like, oh.They're not terrible, but it'snot the shifter that it was.But that whole consoles,the seat heaters everythingmoved back, there'sthis big storage pocket.That wasn't as big ofa fan as the simple,easy to use Kona gas.It had a nice gear selector.So that was one.Still the touchscreenand everything was great.I did notice, too,the range beingfairly accuratewhen I was driving,but it was cold last night.We were in like aboutour 20s last night.I lost about 20 milesjust in the overnight.Yeah.I pulled in the drivewayat 179, it was 159.And parked outside, same thing.Turned on the heaterthe next morning,the defroster, same thing.This is commonwith electric cars.Yeah, and I just--that did happen, thoughI agree with you,it was pretty accurate.If I drove a mile,range dropped a mile.So very promising.Obviously we'll put it throughthe whole test program,so stay tuned.So we're going to move onto some viewer questions.We have one videoquestion, thank youNathaniel for sending it in.As always, we lovethe videos especially.Keep them coming.TalkingCars@icloud.com.And let's see whatNathaniel's got to say.So I'm here watching your2017 Jeep Compass review.You guys say that people havea lot of affection and lovefor the Jeep brand,but they mightbe taking thatlove and affectionand breaking somehearts with it.And then you guysalso say that peoplewho own very old historicnameplates, when they typicallyown those cars and the carsare killed off and come backnowadays, and there areswoopy styling and everything,but they have thesame name, but nothingto do with the older car.You guys say that people of theJeep Cherokee, the older ones,like you see here,normally or don'tgravitate towards the new one.I just would like toknow what researchdo you guys have showingthe owners of the olderJeep Cherokee don't lovethe new Jeep Cherokee.Thank you.So, Nathaniel'squestion I think toucheson two different things.So the first is, this differencebetween reliability, and ownersatisfaction.They are two verydifferent metrics,which we include bothin our overall scores.Reliability being, did youhave any problems with this carduring your ownership?And owner satisfactionjust being, do you like it?And we have many cars whereone doesn't necessarilycoincide with the other.So we have ones that havesuper reliability, for example.Honda Fit, Hyundai Kona is one.But owner satisfactionis just meh.They're out-- they're happywith it, but not overwhelmed.The other way Ithink is kind of morewhat Nathaniel's leading to, ofcars that reliability is reallypretty low.But people love it anyway.And that's usually cars I thinkthat either are super sporty,they have somethingdifferent to offer,or a lot of these hybridor electric vehicles.Corvette, Bolt, Stinger,Porsche 911, Leaf, the Teslas.Owner satisfactionis super high.Liabilities not super high.So I think that's part of thestory is these iconic names.And Jeep.I mean, you can't geta more iconic name.It's nostalgia.And that data.No car is more dichotomousthan that Jeep Wrangler.It has fair reliability, andexcellent owner satisfaction.People just love their Cherokee.The Cherokee, theregular Cherokeewas just a very basicvehicle back in the day.It was pretty reliable.And you know the newone, not quite as much,but it's got a littlebit of nostalgia there.People like-- the name is there.Right.I do think that Jeep hastrickled in to the Cherokees.Yeah.So it's not surprising to me.No, not at all.That-- and you know, hetalks about the Cherokee,the new Cherokee.It's about mid pack for both.Owner satisfactionand reliability.So if they're very happy withit, in doing my notes today,I was and listeningto you about Fisker,and the Karma, this whole ideaof the name and the nostalgiais--It can be good and bad.Is the new Fiskerautomatically downgradedin people's mindsbecause of the Karma.I little bit.As famous as Fisker is.If I opened a company calledEnron, people might not want toYeah, exactly.But yeah, the name can be abooster, as we've talked about.Mustang and Beetle andall those classics.In Fisker's case,are they hurting?Now the Thunderbird.Remember when they broughtback the new T Bird,and I think Nathaniel'sdid a really good jobkind of calling us out.Saying like you know somemaybe sometimes nostalgia,or sometimes these--this love for thesecars does carry over.Right.Sometimes, rememberthe Mercury Cougar?Yeah.Right.Sometimes putting the nameon there does not do it.Sometimes it does.Sometimes it does.And I mean, and I think--I mean it to me it'slike a restaurant.If there's thatrestaurant that you alwayswent to with your familyfor birthdays and stuff,and you wonder--you look at the food, and it'ssort of objectively maybe notthat great.But people just still gothere, because it's familiar,and the booths are comfortable,and you know the waitress.It's near your house.And that's-- and I think that'swhat it is with Jeep for a lotof people, that they'recomfortable with it.It's having a Jeep in thedriveway means something.Whether it's--And they've done verywell with this older one.Nathaniel's friends.So yeah, can go both ways.Obviously get a car you like.So we've said thata million times.So great question Nathaniel.You pulled out a little bit,teased out a couple of pointsthere.The second questionis from Michael.You guys talk a lot aboutdriving position relatedto visibility and safety.Could you alladdress the best wayto find the correctdriving position?Thanks, and love the show.Ryan?We have different statures,so Ryan maybe for youit's a different answer.So driving position.Yes.So for me, I mean I'mkind of long in the torso.I'm like six foot two,so when I sit in the car,usually the first thing Ido is slam the seat down,because I feellike I'm too high.The biggest thing isto be comfortable.Because you need to be ablesee all the way around.And have a good reachto the steering wheel.When we do the teendriving school, we tell--the first thing we tell themto set their seat up is to putyour hand--your arm over the steering wheelwith your wrist over the wheel,so that you have--when your handsare on the wheel,now you have a little bit of--your arms are a little bit bent,you're not reaching too far,and you're not too far away.Driving like that.Yeah, exactly.The pedals-- Imean you obviouslywant to reach thepedals comfortably.You don't want to beyour knees in the dash,and you don't want tobe reaching for them.Your mirrors, obviously adjustyour mirrors right away.You want to maybeget them so youcan see the edge of the car, andthen go a little bit further,just to get someof that blind spot.And you also have areference that the car--where your car is.You don't want to belooking at your cartin your side viewmirrors, because then it'snot looking at the blind spots.Right.And we've gottena lot of feedback,to Talking Cars aboutthat very point,tipping them a little further.I actually like the comboof blind spot warning,because I like to use them todrive, and have them seeinga little bit of the-- so I likehaving the blinds spot warning.If you're parked, and youdon't want to hit the curb,you kind of wantto have it be a--It's very specificto the person.I mean we-- I get in thecar every night out here,and someone else wasin it, and I got to--I mean I don't even know--Can you even get in?Sometimes I can't even getin, the seat's so far forward.Right?But yeah, it's veryspecific to your body type,but it's importantto be comfortable.And be able to see.Visibility is a big thing.Yeah.I would be just theopposite of Ryan.I go very upright, bringthe seat height very high.I have short legs,have to pull forward.I just did an interviewwith NPR, and this very--Ooh, look at you.I know, it's very fancy.So anyway, but what I said--I'll send in my pledge.Is a lot of, when you go to testdrive a car, you're driving it.They take you out.A lot of the test drive can bedone without that car movingout of the dealer's lot.And I would encourage people todo all of what you just said.Can I get comfortable here, canI reach things, turn around,can I see backwards toback up and park and merge?So take some time,you don't evenneed the dealersitting in it with you.Say, hey, I'm goingto take half an hourand just sit here and play withthe controls and everything.I think that's important.Because those little things canbe kind of the deal breaker.Over even some of thebigger drivability things.Any tips you got for setting up?Oh, gosh.I drive like a bus driver.I sit-- it's terrible.I think I have this similarseat when I get in there.What I find, a lotof these newer cars--and I think it has to dowith some of the airbags thatare in the seats.I'm finding that it is harderto adjust the seat in a waythat it's not tipping you back.And I think thatthere's a lot of stuffand a lot of components thatthey hide under the seat,and you can't tilt the seat--the seat bottomdown the right way.And I found on along drive, it'llkind of dig intomy-- the bolsterwill dig into my thighs.And that's an issue, especiallyin some sportier cars,that I'd love todrive, but I justcan't get comfortable in them.And that's somethingto keep in mind.We do find powered seats havea little bit more infiniteadjustment.You get those little--when they're manual,you have those notches,and sometimes you'restuck between--you want to be rightbetween two notches,and you can't get there.It's not the end ofthe world, but wedo-- we give extrapoints for powered seats.Right.And our driving positionscores, multiple statures,definitely favor powered seats.Power stats aren'tjust for luxury.It's also-- you canmake that change.If your leg's gettinga little tired,you can just changejust a little bit,so you don't get fatiguedwhile you're driving.Exactly.So moving on toour next question,happens to be a tire question.What a coincidencethat Ryan is on today.So--We did that on purpose, I think.We do, we justpull one up there.Hey CR.I own a 2010 InfinityG37x, and currentlyhave 4 Handcook VentasS1 Noble 2 tires,and will soon need to be--that will soon needto be replaced.Should I stick with the ultrahigh performance all seasoncategory and buy the MichelinPilot Sport AS 3 plus,or would a MichelinCross Climateprovide similar enough handling?I would like tires thatare equal to, or betterthan my current setup.The Michelin CrossClimate is temptingbecause it scored reallywell in every category.So, great car, by the way.That brings back fond memories.The G. The good old daysof Infiniti sports cars.Or sports sedans, rather.So the Handcooksare decent tires.The Michelin Pilot all season--Michelin pilots sport all season3 plus is a better tire for--so UHP, ultra highperformance tire.So it's-- these are tires comeon a sports sedan like this,all the way up toa 911 Corvette.A real extreme sportscar kind of a tire.So the Michelin wouldbe a better tire.I would recommend that.The Cross Climate is actually--it's in that size-- so thisis the thing with the CrossClimate, they don'thave a lot of sizes.And some of them, they'rebuilding more sizes,but right now they don'thave a lot of sizes.So I'm not sure this carcomes with a 225, 55, 17,or a 225, 50, 18.If you have the 17 inch, youcan get the Cross Climate,and I definitely recommend that.It would be as--just about a sporty as thePilot, but if you have the 18,you can't.You're out of luck.Because they don'thave that size yet?They don't have that size.That being said, you couldgo down too-- well, down.That car came originallywith a V speedrated tire, which is goodup to 149 miles per hour,which sounds ridiculous,because no one drives that fast.But really what that meansis that the tires the abilityto dissipate heat.So it's not--It should be called like aspeed heat ring or something.It's one of those--Dissipation.It does-- wherethat comes from is,they do test these tiresunder a certain load,it can drive a certainduration of timebefore the tire becomes unsafe.So yeah, obviously this carcame with a V speed ratingfrom the factory.So you can stay at a V.Which you're going to get--it's considered aperformance all season tire.You're going to getmore wear, you'regoing go a littlemore snow traction.I'm not sure if snow tractionis a priority of yours or not.The Cross Climberobviously has that covered.Right.The Pilot sport all season threeplus will be a little bit less.So if that doesn't work,you can get a pure contact--Continental Pure Contact LS,which is a V speed rated tire,wears well.Will last longer.Good in the snow.Yes, and we talkedabout speed rating.Yes, it's heatdissipation, but typicallythe higher speed rating alsocomes with higher handling.Absolutely.So you have to kindof weigh that out.Tires are gettingbetter and better.So even a performance all seasonhigher with a v speed readingis pretty sporty, especiallyin a low aspect ratio.Yeah.Meaning the shorter sidewall.So I wouldn't be afraid to godown to the Pure Contact LS.I keep saying down.It's not really down.It's actually right wherethat car probably should be.He has those Ventuses.They're ultra highperformance tires.He actually went up alittle bit, which is fine.And you can use, to put ina plug for no pun intendedfor our tire selector.Right.You can actually putthis in, put in your car,and our tire selectorwill show youthe tires, and if you'rea member of the ratings.Right.I loved the fact thatthey're reading our ratings.They're paying attention.We appreciate it.And you can go up, but not down.So the G37 came with the V.You don't want to go to an Hor down, but up's OK.All right.So.Cool.Great question.Talking tires.Final question is from Nathan.Love your show.Thank you, Nathan.I am interested in a new orused Hyundai, Mazda, or Subaru.However, I live in the country--as do we, Nathan, so--an hour drive to thenearest dealership.My hometown only has Ford,General Motors, and FCA FiatChrysler dealerships.The local mechanic saysthey could not providemost service on foreign brands.How would you balance theconvenience of a domestic carthat I can get servicedin my hometown,against the travel andtime to service the import.Thanks.Keith?Thoughts on that?Well, I mean I think we're ina location which is pretty--I'm picking up acar later today,and I have to drive45 miles, and it'sone of the best sellingcars in America.So--We're pretty rural.I also don't thinkthat it's necessarilyforeign or domestic.There are cars that cross thoselines, and sort of stereotypes.But you do want tothink about, especiallyif you're getting a new car,that even if you're gettinga new car, that you mighthave recall service thathas to be done.You might have maintenancethat has to be done.The maintenance mighteven be includedwhen you purchase the car,if you get that maintenancedone at the dealership.Those are things you can plan.And you-- if you're goingto the city anyways,I imagine there are probablystores there, thingsthat you want to pick up.Reasons to go there.Plan it the same day as yourdoctor's appointment or a tripto Target or something.You could-- that's moreof a lifestyle thing.But the issue is when acar breaks unexpectedly.Yeah, that's the tough one.Yeah.I would pick thereliability over--It's where reliabilityis going to weigh in.That's got to be youtop thing, especiallyeither way he livesa ways away from eventhough the local dealer.So like you said, any breakdownis a real inconvenience.When you can plan it,go get an oil change--Oil change, those basicthings can be done anywhere.Right.You don't have to goto a dealer for that.But--Yeah, even the local person,if they can't do an oil changein a Mazda, then theyprobably shouldn'tbe working on any of your cars.And I mean, the last thingyou want is to break down,especially if you'rein a rural area.And I think thatdriving around herewhen it's kind of late atnight and I'm on a roadand I haven't seen another carfor a while, if I break downis going to take awhile for that tow truckto come get to me.So I want a reliablecar, especiallyif I'm traveling longdistances away from people.Right.I was going to saythat same thing.You break down inthe woods, it'sgoing to be a while tillan Uber can get to you.So even if it's-- even if yourdealership is in the same town.You're still stuck.The other thing Iwanted to add isit might be worthshopping the serviceportion of those dealerships.What do they have?Can you get a loaner?Do they have a shuttle?So even if you haveto drive that hour,planned, is it easy for you tothen continue with your lifeuntil your car is repaired.Read some of the online reviews.There are someonline reviews of--Service.Absolutely.People don'texperience the serviceuntil after they'veusually bought the car.And it can be totally different.They're run sometimesby different people,in very different ways.You can have an awesomedealership experienceat sales, and acut throat servicedepartment, or vise versa.So look that up.And domestic ruraldealer may havea harder time getting parts.We've seen it with tires.They're not stocking every tire.Getting a tire theremay take two or threedays, whereas amore urban setting,they can get the tire quicker.So there's all that to weigh in,and it's a big consideration.It's a great question, Nathan.So that does it for the show.As always we thankyou for watching.Keep the questions coming.TalkingCars@icloud.com.Any information on any of theitems we talked about today,all the electrics,see the show notes.Thanks, and we'llsee you next time.\n"