Ryzen 5 2400G - Best Value Build of 1H 2018

**The Rise of the Ryzen 5000 Series: A Benchmark Comparison**

In this article, we will delve into the world of CPU benchmarks and compare two popular processors from AMD's Ryzen 5000 series: the Ryzen 5 2400G and the Ryzen 3 3200G. We will also discuss the implications of these findings for future-proofing a system build.

Our benchmarks show that there's not really any significant bottlenecking with the rising 5, as it delivers on performance even when compared to its counterpart, the Ryzen 3 2200. While we don't have a direct comparison between the two processors, our tests suggest that there isn't a noticeable difference in terms of overall system performance.

One key area where the Ryzen 5 2400G excels is in its ability to handle multi-threaded workloads. With four extra threads compared to the Ryzen 3 3200G, we can expect improved performance in applications that take advantage of multi-core processing. While we don't have a direct comparison to confirm this, our tests do suggest that there's not really any bottlenecking with the rising 5.

The choice between the Ryzen 5 2400G and the Ryzen 3 3200G ultimately comes down to budget constraints and future-proofing considerations. If you're looking for a system build that can handle demanding tasks without breaking the bank, the Ryzen 5 2400G is a solid choice. However, if you're planning on upgrading your system in the near future or want to take advantage of multi-threaded workloads, the Ryzen 5 2400G may be worth the extra cost.

**Power Supply and Graphics Card Considerations**

When building a system with a CPU upgrade in mind, it's essential to consider power supply and graphics card requirements. For this build, we opted for a 400-500 watt power supply, even though the system wouldn't need that much power with a mid-range NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 or AMD Radeon RX 580.

The reasoning behind this choice is simple: future-proofing. With the rise of more powerful graphics cards on the horizon, it's essential to have enough headroom in the power supply and storage capacity to accommodate these upgrades without sacrificing performance. A 400-500 watt power supply will provide ample room for even the most demanding system builds, and a 1080p monitor with free sync support can further enhance the gaming experience.

**Free Sync: The Game-Changer**

One feature that's worth mentioning is AMD's Free Sync technology. This technology allows for seamless and stutter-free gameplay at high frame rates, making it an essential component for any gamer. With the rise of monitors that support free sync, including those from Asus like the MG279Q, this technology has become a must-have for anyone looking to enhance their gaming experience.

**The Importance of DisplayPort**

However, there's a catch: not all AMD motherboards have built-in DisplayPort. This means that if you're planning on using free sync with your system build, you'll need to ensure that your motherboard supports DisplayPort or opt for an HDMI-compatible monitor instead. In our case, we opted for the MG279Q from Asus, which has free sync support via HDMI.

**Real-World Experience: From the Author's Perspective**

In conclusion, I believe that the Ryzen 5 2400G is a great value pick for right now, even over the Ryzen 3 3200G. The four extra threads will make a difference in terms of performance, and future-proofing is essential when it comes to system builds.

As someone who's been involved in this space for some time, I can attest that free sync has been a game-changer for gaming enthusiasts. With the rise of monitors that support this technology, it's become an essential component for anyone looking to enhance their gaming experience.

If you're planning on building a system with no discrete graphics card and opting for an integrated GPU instead, make sure to check your monitor for free sync support and keep in mind that some motherboards may not have built-in DisplayPort. However, if you opt for the right power supply and storage capacity, you'll be well-prepared for future upgrades.

**A Final Word**

In conclusion, our benchmark comparison of the Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 3200G has shed some light on the performance differences between these two processors. While there's not a significant difference in terms of overall system performance, the extra threads on the Ryzen 5 2400G do make it a great value pick for future-proofing.

If you're planning on building a system with no discrete graphics card and want to take advantage of free sync technology, I highly recommend opting for the Ryzen 5 2400G. Just be sure to choose the right power supply and monitor to get the most out of your system build.

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built-in Vega graphics they're what's called ap use that the modern version of an AP you sort of an all-in-one processing unit I don't know well no I don't really want to say that but try to make a joke fail it's okay we'll live it's all good basically there's one chip that you buy from AMD that has graphics capability as well as you know compute capability it's its central processing unit but you also do graphics on it now you're probably familiar with this from laptops or maybe the Intel I GPU the built in Intel graphics really has a terrible reputation for gaming it's sort of the bottom of the barrel Intel really hasn't done anything to advance their AI GPU as evidenced by bundling vago with their own I mean Intel is also bundling Vegas I mean imagine that but these are substantially more inexpensive parts these are these are great options for a system builder potentially so we want to take a look at the hard numbers we want to know like what circumstances does this make sense so first let's take a look at our build this build is the fractal define mesh if I see mini it's a micro ATX tower case comes with a tempered glass side panel it's perhaps a little ostentatious for a budget build but hey if you're gonna go go in style right works out pretty good I've selected a 450 or 500 watt antec power supply that is extreme overkill for this build but I'm planning on maybe upgrading the CPU or upgrading the GPU a little bit down the road or later in this video for comparison sake we'll talk more about that in a minute I've also got some g.skill memory of the flare X memory pretty decent deal on that I've tried some other memory in here as well I've also got the a data X PG in DMA and I've got the MSI be 350 M gaming pro so this is a micro ATX board and MSI with their naming conventions and you get the extra letter at the end gives you a hint about what the board form factor is at least in these generations more recent boards so we've got the B 350 M Gaming Pro I'm gonna have a separate review of the be 350 gaming impro but for now for what we're talking about for this build this thing is pretty solid it's actually damned impressive the rosin 320 200 and the rosin 520 400 G make no mistake about it are incredible values those CPUs retail $4.99 and 169 at the time of this video you may be able to get them on sale or with special or bundles especially if you have a Fry's or a Micro Center or something like that but it's these these work really well if you want to play a game at 720p that's 1280 by 720 or even 1080p especially eSports titles these CPUs will do that and you don't have to buy a graphics card in a time when graphics cards are insanely wildly expensive now I will tell you that you also have some overclocking Headroom especially if you get the faster Ram these you use Raven Ridge is their co name support up to 29 33 megahertz memory with the latest updates it works really really well when you have 29:33 and even if you overclock a little bit too like 3200 because you're increasing the memory speed between the Vega graphics card and the CPU you probably already knew that you probably already realize that so if you can overclock the RAM you're going to realize a benefit on the graphics card side of things and it really does hold true in the benchmarks in fact there are tons and tons of other sides that you can get benchmarks for your individual specific game that you're curious about to see how it performs we tested a bunch of games here at level one you know everything from GTA 5 we even ran the new Final Fantasy benchmark the numbers for all of those benchmarks were astonishingly good now I mean let's keep in mind that this is 169 dollar part not a $700 graphics card but still if you want to play these games reasonably well I think this game is better than a console so you know 30 to 60 FPS and a lot of these titles at low and medium-low settings the eSports titles fare a little bit better you can expect about 60 FPS out of them depending on the resolution and some other factors but that's really really impressive for these particular setups I'm gonna have to go against the grain a little bit here with a lot of the other mainstream reviews though I think a lot of other people that have picked up this hardware maybe both the risin three and the risin five with Vega graphics are saying well the risin three is far and away the best value and I would not disagree with that if that's the only thing that exists in the world from now until the time you replace that machine rise in three it's a good value and it's hard to go wrong it is hard to justify paying the extra money for the rise in five at that moment in time but if you look at it holistically if you look at it over a one or two year term I think I would pick rise in five the rosin five twenty four hundred gee I'm gonna pick the rise in 524 energy for two reasons one the four cores eight threads will really help you not today but a year or two down the road fact is most games today are really set up for four cores we have Intel to think for that because Intel's get four cores on the desktop since Sandy Bridge CPUs so more than five years the situation with games is a lot of games are super heavily optimized for four cores we're only just now starting to see that a lot of AMD proponents way back in the 8350 days we're saying hey eight cores on this bulldoze or architecture it's gonna be faster than four cores and on paper it was but you've still got to have that single thread that IPC performance AMD has definitely learned that lesson because you can overclock this guy to four gigahertz 4.1 gigahertz even on the relatively modest be 350 motherboard from MSI I mean that's that's just what a time to be alive I mean it really is genuinely sobbing I just I can't I can't get excited enough about the fact that you can get this kind of performance with a relatively small spend but lately wait what why are you so enamored with the rosin 520 400 G versus the Verizon 3 it Rison 3 it's clearly the clearly the better deal cost significantly less you could put that into other components of your system and have better overall performance again that's not really untrue I think the only scenario where I would recommend a Verizon 3 is if you knew in the future when you were going to upgrade your system that you were also going to upgrade and replace your CPU make no mistake about it a m4 is a long-lived platform that means that you're going to be able to get lots of different models of C use for the next two maybe three generations we're just on the cusp at the time of this video of Zen plus coming out and then plus again it's gonna be a m4 compatible this motherboard actually has been out since before the CPU this motherboard has been out for a while now originally set up for the rise in CPUs not rise in + Vega but hey just a firmware update and you're good to go with Rison + Vega graphics which is hugely impressive and that's how it's gonna be for the next two or three generations of devices CPU devices from AMD on these boards so the question for me is thinking about future me and can I make life a little easier on future me so right now today Verizon 320 200 G for a system like this especially for eSports probably it's the best deal that you can possibly get on the market but I'm thinking about future me is there anything that I can do to make future meas life a little easier and so I'm thinking about what is the first thing that I'm gonna do with this system after I've had it for a year or two probably gonna upgrade the graphics card and then it starts to starts to make more sense as like well that rises in three four cores four threads it's probably going to bottleneck we've had four cores and four threads on the desktop on mainstream desktops for over five years it's easy to imagine that games would take advantage of more threads in the future thousand five twenty four hundred G that would give us four cores eight threads that's gonna perform a little better so I can't really travel into the future and get a 200 to $300 graphics card you know a year or two or three down the road those maybe have only just been designed because you know that whole process takes a while so I can't travel into the future and get a graphics card but maybe a contemporary mainstream equivalent would work so I've got the gtx 1070 TI from msi this thing is pretty nuts you've got the Twin Frozr design super high performance it works really astonishingly well this is a really high-end graphics card obviously buying this graphics card today for this machine Vega plus integrated graphics that doesn't make any sense but I think this card will work as a fine stand-in for something that you might buy in the future to upgrade your system the question on my mind is will a nice card like this bottleneck on a rise in five 2,400 G and I think the answer is probably no but let's run the test and find out so to complete the test we're also going to do a CPU upgrade we're gonna replace our Raven Ridge writes in five 2400 cpu with a 1700 X it's not too hard to imagine that maybe in the future I would want to swap both the graphics card and the CPU because that'll give me eight cores 16 threads on this be 350 motherboard I think that would work really well too so maybe in the future the the landscape of games change maybe you really do need that a core CPU after all and in that case if you think maybe you would upgrade your CPU that kind of tilts the scales back in favor of the Rison 3 but I think that you're not gonna need to replace that Rison 5 quite as quickly as you would need to replace the Rison 3 I think if you're planning to do your cpu GPU upgrade in a year or so you probably could get by with the rise in three but if you need that rise in five to last if you need your CPU to last a couple of years Rasen five 2400 G that's my pick and the reason that I would want to do that is to get more longevity out of the hardware it'll be worth more when I'm done with it when I'm trading up and if I am in a situation where I do need more CPU horsepower well I can just swap that out I don't even have to upgrade the motherboard I can literally just pop the CPU out and pop a graphics card in whatever the future equivalent of the 1070 TI is maybe put a 1700 X or you know 2700 or something like that in the future in this system I don't think I would even upgrade to a 64 I think it would go straight from 4 to 8 cores it might be from 4 to 12 cores if AMD comes out with a CPU that fits this unlike the Intel platform Andy has promised a long term commitment to a m4 and actually these CPUs with integrated Vega are the first set of CPUs for a m4 after the original set of Rison CPUs that came out a year ago so AMD is making good on its promise and the performance for eSports and everything else like that has been really really good we did a bunch of benchmarking let's go through the benchmarking and actually look at the performance and see where we are and there you have it even if you do a super high-end upgrade or the gtx 1070 TI our benchmarks show that there's not really any significant bottlenecking with the risin 5 2400 g 4 cores 8 threads delivers on performance I don't have a rise in 3 2200 to confirm that the you know risin 5 would would bottleneck maybe where the rise in 3 doesn't I'm not really suggesting that I'm just saying that you get a little bit more Headroom with the risin 5 and to me that's worth the price difference of course if I was willing to do the extra spend for a CPU upgrade I would be less concerned about going if the rise in 3 because you can just swap your CPU but if you're looking to get to a graphics card upgrade ASAP you know 1060 1070 they've been rx 580 something like that for your your graphics card update especially if you can get a deal on it not in this graphics card climate graphics cards are way too expensive right now but a year in two years 18 months something like that down the road would be a really easy upgrade for the system literally just plug it in and you're good to go and that's also why we went with a 400 to 500 watt power supply for this build still overkill even with the 1070 TI even with its dual power pin requirements this CPU the rise in 5 even if we upgrade it to a risin 7 say 120 watts for the CPU and all the print and paraphernalia that's going to give us you know 300 watts for our graphics card so we can put up to a 300 watt graphics card in this system and still have plenty of room so you can get the lesser expensive I probably wouldn't go less than 350 watts for upgradability but 400 watts to 500 watts would be ideal for a system like this with future upgrades in mind it's been a lot of fun sort of running the numbers and doing the thought experiment but rosin 520 400 G is definitely my value pick for right now even over the Rison 3 just because of the promise future that it has the four extra threads I think will make a little bit of a difference in terms of performance and you know just kind of it's a little anecdotal but it's just based on my own personal experiences hi I'm Pass Wendell and I just want to interject for a moment because I'm sure the future Wendell's gonna forget about the whole rise in five twenty four hundred G rise in 320 200 G free sync free sync is supported it works great you can even run your desktop resolution at 4k you're not gonna be gaming at 4k not really unless it's a really old title but you can run 4k and you get free sync and free sync is really important when you're talking about games that run at around 30 fps well I've been happened to have one of the Cadillac monitors for free sync this is an mg279q gaming monitor from Asus is a great monitor supports free sync free sync implementation on this monitor is pretty good bad news generally not gonna work with Raven Ridge because most Raven Ridge motherboards don't have DisplayPort and this requires DisplayPort or at least most AMD you know whether it's X 370 or B 350 don't have a DisplayPort out for your monitor so I suspect that whatever vendor comes up with a am 4 motherboard that has built-in DisplayPort first it's probably going to win in terms of like the gamer board because you can get these older free sync monitors and then use them for now with the motherboard that I have the B 350 M from MSI I've got HDMI out and DVI out and VGA out so no DisplayPort and that means I'm going to need a monitor this supports free sync on HDMI a lot of monitors in their spec don't say if free sync is enabled for all of the inputs or one of the inputs typically just DVI or DVI and HDMI so be careful when you're picking up your monitor if you're gonna count on free sync support and with the FPS that you will be running especially around 1080p I definitely would recommend free sync because it completely changes the game experience for the better when we're talking about these kinds of frame rates well if this picked your interests and you're gonna build a system with no discrete graphics card with an integrated GPU I won't hear from you in the forums at level 1 techs post pictures and show off your system let's take a look and everybody can make fun of your cabling job I myself I prefer mustard and ketchup not really but hey it's a budget build I splurged on the mesh if I see what more do you want I'm 100 I'm signing out I'll see you later youwell by now you've probably heard about the rape of Ridge risin 5 a rise in + Vega on one piece of silicon you can build a computer that has a built in a GPU it's actually pretty good you don't have to have a separate discrete adding graphics card and you're actually able to play most modern games at you know low medium-low settings but hey you can do it and in this climate where graphics cards are crazy expensive I mean it's a welcome thing cuz you can always upgrade down the line behind me I've got a rise in 5 2400 G system that we've put through the paces we've done some hypotheticals but this is not your average benchmarking video I feel like that a lot of other places have covered the benchmarking let's talk about the thought process the upgrade path and some options that you have between Rison 320 200 G with Vega graphics and the Rison 5 all right so the new products and aim these lineup horizon 520 400g horizon 320 200g both of these have built-in Vega graphics they're what's called ap use that the modern version of an AP you sort of an all-in-one processing unit I don't know well no I don't really want to say that but try to make a joke fail it's okay we'll live it's all good basically there's one chip that you buy from AMD that has graphics capability as well as you know compute capability it's its central processing unit but you also do graphics on it now you're probably familiar with this from laptops or maybe the Intel I GPU the built in Intel graphics really has a terrible reputation for gaming it's sort of the bottom of the barrel Intel really hasn't done anything to advance their AI GPU as evidenced by bundling vago with their own I mean Intel is also bundling Vegas I mean imagine that but these are substantially more inexpensive parts these are these are great options for a system builder potentially so we want to take a look at the hard numbers we want to know like what circumstances does this make sense so first let's take a look at our build this build is the fractal define mesh if I see mini it's a micro ATX tower case comes with a tempered glass side panel it's perhaps a little ostentatious for a budget build but hey if you're gonna go go in style right works out pretty good I've selected a 450 or 500 watt antec power supply that is extreme overkill for this build but I'm planning on maybe upgrading the CPU or upgrading the GPU a little bit down the road or later in this video for comparison sake we'll talk more about that in a minute I've also got some g.skill memory of the flare X memory pretty decent deal on that I've tried some other memory in here as well I've also got the a data X PG in DMA and I've got the MSI be 350 M gaming pro so this is a micro ATX board and MSI with their naming conventions and you get the extra letter at the end gives you a hint about what the board form factor is at least in these generations more recent boards so we've got the B 350 M Gaming Pro I'm gonna have a separate review of the be 350 gaming impro but for now for what we're talking about for this build this thing is pretty solid it's actually damned impressive the rosin 320 200 and the rosin 520 400 G make no mistake about it are incredible values those CPUs retail $4.99 and 169 at the time of this video you may be able to get them on sale or with special or bundles especially if you have a Fry's or a Micro Center or something like that but it's these these work really well if you want to play a game at 720p that's 1280 by 720 or even 1080p especially eSports titles these CPUs will do that and you don't have to buy a graphics card in a time when graphics cards are insanely wildly expensive now I will tell you that you also have some overclocking Headroom especially if you get the faster Ram these you use Raven Ridge is their co name support up to 29 33 megahertz memory with the latest updates it works really really well when you have 29:33 and even if you overclock a little bit too like 3200 because you're increasing the memory speed between the Vega graphics card and the CPU you probably already knew that you probably already realize that so if you can overclock the RAM you're going to realize a benefit on the graphics card side of things and it really does hold true in the benchmarks in fact there are tons and tons of other sides that you can get benchmarks for your individual specific game that you're curious about to see how it performs we tested a bunch of games here at level one you know everything from GTA 5 we even ran the new Final Fantasy benchmark the numbers for all of those benchmarks were astonishingly good now I mean let's keep in mind that this is 169 dollar part not a $700 graphics card but still if you want to play these games reasonably well I think this game is better than a console so you know 30 to 60 FPS and a lot of these titles at low and medium-low settings the eSports titles fare a little bit better you can expect about 60 FPS out of them depending on the resolution and some other factors but that's really really impressive for these particular setups I'm gonna have to go against the grain a little bit here with a lot of the other mainstream reviews though I think a lot of other people that have picked up this hardware maybe both the risin three and the risin five with Vega graphics are saying well the risin three is far and away the best value and I would not disagree with that if that's the only thing that exists in the world from now until the time you replace that machine rise in three it's a good value and it's hard to go wrong it is hard to justify paying the extra money for the rise in five at that moment in time but if you look at it holistically if you look at it over a one or two year term I think I would pick rise in five the rosin five twenty four hundred gee I'm gonna pick the rise in 524 energy for two reasons one the four cores eight threads will really help you not today but a year or two down the road fact is most games today are really set up for four cores we have Intel to think for that because Intel's get four cores on the desktop since Sandy Bridge CPUs so more than five years the situation with games is a lot of games are super heavily optimized for four cores we're only just now starting to see that a lot of AMD proponents way back in the 8350 days we're saying hey eight cores on this bulldoze or architecture it's gonna be faster than four cores and on paper it was but you've still got to have that single thread that IPC performance AMD has definitely learned that lesson because you can overclock this guy to four gigahertz 4.1 gigahertz even on the relatively modest be 350 motherboard from MSI I mean that's that's just what a time to be alive I mean it really is genuinely sobbing I just I can't I can't get excited enough about the fact that you can get this kind of performance with a relatively small spend but lately wait what why are you so enamored with the rosin 520 400 G versus the Verizon 3 it Rison 3 it's clearly the clearly the better deal cost significantly less you could put that into other components of your system and have better overall performance again that's not really untrue I think the only scenario where I would recommend a Verizon 3 is if you knew in the future when you were going to upgrade your system that you were also going to upgrade and replace your CPU make no mistake about it a m4 is a long-lived platform that means that you're going to be able to get lots of different models of C use for the next two maybe three generations we're just on the cusp at the time of this video of Zen plus coming out and then plus again it's gonna be a m4 compatible this motherboard actually has been out since before the CPU this motherboard has been out for a while now originally set up for the rise in CPUs not rise in + Vega but hey just a firmware update and you're good to go with Rison + Vega graphics which is hugely impressive and that's how it's gonna be for the next two or three generations of devices CPU devices from AMD on these boards so the question for me is thinking about future me and can I make life a little easier on future me so right now today Verizon 320 200 G for a system like this especially for eSports probably it's the best deal that you can possibly get on the market but I'm thinking about future me is there anything that I can do to make future meas life a little easier and so I'm thinking about what is the first thing that I'm gonna do with this system after I've had it for a year or two probably gonna upgrade the graphics card and then it starts to starts to make more sense as like well that rises in three four cores four threads it's probably going to bottleneck we've had four cores and four threads on the desktop on mainstream desktops for over five years it's easy to imagine that games would take advantage of more threads in the future thousand five twenty four hundred G that would give us four cores eight threads that's gonna perform a little better so I can't really travel into the future and get a 200 to $300 graphics card you know a year or two or three down the road those maybe have only just been designed because you know that whole process takes a while so I can't travel into the future and get a graphics card but maybe a contemporary mainstream equivalent would work so I've got the gtx 1070 TI from msi this thing is pretty nuts you've got the Twin Frozr design super high performance it works really astonishingly well this is a really high-end graphics card obviously buying this graphics card today for this machine Vega plus integrated graphics that doesn't make any sense but I think this card will work as a fine stand-in for something that you might buy in the future to upgrade your system the question on my mind is will a nice card like this bottleneck on a rise in five 2,400 G and I think the answer is probably no but let's run the test and find out so to complete the test we're also going to do a CPU upgrade we're gonna replace our Raven Ridge writes in five 2400 cpu with a 1700 X it's not too hard to imagine that maybe in the future I would want to swap both the graphics card and the CPU because that'll give me eight cores 16 threads on this be 350 motherboard I think that would work really well too so maybe in the future the the landscape of games change maybe you really do need that a core CPU after all and in that case if you think maybe you would upgrade your CPU that kind of tilts the scales back in favor of the Rison 3 but I think that you're not gonna need to replace that Rison 5 quite as quickly as you would need to replace the Rison 3 I think if you're planning to do your cpu GPU upgrade in a year or so you probably could get by with the rise in three but if you need that rise in five to last if you need your CPU to last a couple of years Rasen five 2400 G that's my pick and the reason that I would want to do that is to get more longevity out of the hardware it'll be worth more when I'm done with it when I'm trading up and if I am in a situation where I do need more CPU horsepower well I can just swap that out I don't even have to upgrade the motherboard I can literally just pop the CPU out and pop a graphics card in whatever the future equivalent of the 1070 TI is maybe put a 1700 X or you know 2700 or something like that in the future in this system I don't think I would even upgrade to a 64 I think it would go straight from 4 to 8 cores it might be from 4 to 12 cores if AMD comes out with a CPU that fits this unlike the Intel platform Andy has promised a long term commitment to a m4 and actually these CPUs with integrated Vega are the first set of CPUs for a m4 after the original set of Rison CPUs that came out a year ago so AMD is making good on its promise and the performance for eSports and everything else like that has been really really good we did a bunch of benchmarking let's go through the benchmarking and actually look at the performance and see where we are and there you have it even if you do a super high-end upgrade or the gtx 1070 TI our benchmarks show that there's not really any significant bottlenecking with the risin 5 2400 g 4 cores 8 threads delivers on performance I don't have a rise in 3 2200 to confirm that the you know risin 5 would would bottleneck maybe where the rise in 3 doesn't I'm not really suggesting that I'm just saying that you get a little bit more Headroom with the risin 5 and to me that's worth the price difference of course if I was willing to do the extra spend for a CPU upgrade I would be less concerned about going if the rise in 3 because you can just swap your CPU but if you're looking to get to a graphics card upgrade ASAP you know 1060 1070 they've been rx 580 something like that for your your graphics card update especially if you can get a deal on it not in this graphics card climate graphics cards are way too expensive right now but a year in two years 18 months something like that down the road would be a really easy upgrade for the system literally just plug it in and you're good to go and that's also why we went with a 400 to 500 watt power supply for this build still overkill even with the 1070 TI even with its dual power pin requirements this CPU the rise in 5 even if we upgrade it to a risin 7 say 120 watts for the CPU and all the print and paraphernalia that's going to give us you know 300 watts for our graphics card so we can put up to a 300 watt graphics card in this system and still have plenty of room so you can get the lesser expensive I probably wouldn't go less than 350 watts for upgradability but 400 watts to 500 watts would be ideal for a system like this with future upgrades in mind it's been a lot of fun sort of running the numbers and doing the thought experiment but rosin 520 400 G is definitely my value pick for right now even over the Rison 3 just because of the promise future that it has the four extra threads I think will make a little bit of a difference in terms of performance and you know just kind of it's a little anecdotal but it's just based on my own personal experiences hi I'm Pass Wendell and I just want to interject for a moment because I'm sure the future Wendell's gonna forget about the whole rise in five twenty four hundred G rise in 320 200 G free sync free sync is supported it works great you can even run your desktop resolution at 4k you're not gonna be gaming at 4k not really unless it's a really old title but you can run 4k and you get free sync and free sync is really important when you're talking about games that run at around 30 fps well I've been happened to have one of the Cadillac monitors for free sync this is an mg279q gaming monitor from Asus is a great monitor supports free sync free sync implementation on this monitor is pretty good bad news generally not gonna work with Raven Ridge because most Raven Ridge motherboards don't have DisplayPort and this requires DisplayPort or at least most AMD you know whether it's X 370 or B 350 don't have a DisplayPort out for your monitor so I suspect that whatever vendor comes up with a am 4 motherboard that has built-in DisplayPort first it's probably going to win in terms of like the gamer board because you can get these older free sync monitors and then use them for now with the motherboard that I have the B 350 M from MSI I've got HDMI out and DVI out and VGA out so no DisplayPort and that means I'm going to need a monitor this supports free sync on HDMI a lot of monitors in their spec don't say if free sync is enabled for all of the inputs or one of the inputs typically just DVI or DVI and HDMI so be careful when you're picking up your monitor if you're gonna count on free sync support and with the FPS that you will be running especially around 1080p I definitely would recommend free sync because it completely changes the game experience for the better when we're talking about these kinds of frame rates well if this picked your interests and you're gonna build a system with no discrete graphics card with an integrated GPU I won't hear from you in the forums at level 1 techs post pictures and show off your system let's take a look and everybody can make fun of your cabling job I myself I prefer mustard and ketchup not really but hey it's a budget build I splurged on the mesh if I see what more do you want I'm 100 I'm signing out I'll see you later you\n"