2020 Hyundai Venue Test Results; Buying a Car During the Coronavirus Pandemic _ Talking Cars #252
**Tips for Buying a Used Car with Good Tire Warranty**
When buying a used car, it's essential to consider the tire warranty and how long you'll need to rely on your current set of tires. For many drivers, this means looking at the date of manufacture, also known as the doT stamp, which can provide valuable information about the vehicle's history. A look at the last four numbers of the date code can reveal when the tires were manufactured, and if they're newer, it may indicate that the car has a longer warranty on its tires.
For example, if you see a 2016 date code, this means the tires were made in the 20th week of 2016. If you're not sure how many miles you'll be putting on your new set of tires, it's even more crucial to consider this factor when purchasing a used car. Knowing that the manufacturer has a warranty in place can give you peace of mind and provide protection against costly repairs down the road.
**Kia Telluride and Toyota Highlander: A Comparison**
The Kia Telluride has been making waves in the automotive industry, thanks to its impressive performance, comfortable ride, and impressive features. However, with inventory slim and prices skyrocketing at some dealerships, it's becoming increasingly difficult for potential buyers to snag a deal. Farook recently contacted a dealer to inquire about pricing on the Kia Telluride, but was quoted $4,000 over MSRP.
This price point is considered steep by many car enthusiasts, who believe that it may be due to price gouging. Researching dealer inventory has revealed that there are still some Tellurides available, particularly those built in Korea, as well as the Hyundai Palisade, a vehicle that shares similarities with the Telluride but was built at a different factory. While the pandemic had an impact on production and availability, it appears that Kia is working to catch up on demand.
For buyers who are looking for alternatives, the Toyota Highlander is another option worth considering. With its reputation for reliability and durability, the Highlander has become a popular choice among families and outdoor enthusiasts. According to Ryan, who tested the Highlander recently, it's not just about performance or features - it's also about the overall driving experience. "When driving the highlander," he said, "it's not I mean look I prefer that to a teller ride for a bunch of different reasons too."
**Tire Testing and Real-World Experience**
As part of their tire testing program, Ryan's team recently used a Kia Telluride for testing purposes. The experience was overwhelmingly positive, with the vehicle proving itself to be comfortable, impressive, and well-suited for various driving conditions. However, if you don't need this car right away, Farook has a word of caution: Kia is likely to produce more of these vehicles in the coming months, which may impact pricing.
It's essential to remember that dealerships often charge extra for popular models like the Telluride, and it's crucial to research and compare prices at multiple dealerships before making a purchase. By waiting a little while and doing your due diligence, you may find better deals on these vehicles in the future. For now, it's worth exploring other options, including the Toyota Highlander, which offers a similar blend of performance, comfort, and reliability.
**Advice for Car Buyers**
When buying a used car, it's essential to prioritize factors like tire warranty, price point, and overall value. Researching dealer inventory can help you find deals that meet your budget, while also considering alternative models or brands that offer better pricing. By being informed and proactive, you can navigate the market with confidence and drive away in your new set of wheels.
"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis week we discuss our test results for the 2020 Hyundai venue we talk buying new cars low-cost used cars and leases during these strange times and we answer your questions including why does it seem so hard to find it Kia telluride these days next on talking cars hey welcome back I'm Keith Barry I'm Jake Fisher and I'm riding public house key and hey Ryan it's good it's good to see you we're your your new addition to the remote team how you doing I'm doing well just hiding out here in my office closet of an office if I will but yeah just staying busy and staying home staying safe yeah as as we hope you're all doing and we're giving you a little something to watch in the meantime take your mind off everything but first some questions related to coronavirus we've got lots of questions about car buying during the pandemic and the sort of resulting economic crisis and I just like to kind of go at them all at once because they're all sort of a variations on on a similar theme you know is is what I'm looking for there what about leases what about should I get a new car what about used cars so Jake I'll throw that to you what if what have you seen out there because things are a little chaotic in the in the automotive world right now right yeah it's it's kind of crazy I mean look first of all people are not buying a lot of cars obviously what we're seeing is that the automakers are really kind of doing everything they can to make the sales when they have the ability to do do it so actually we've been purchasing vehicles here at the track which is kind of a strange thing but we've been able to do it with social distancing so we actually purchased a brand new BMW 228 i-x which we were able to do without actually setting foot into a dealership or sitting foot into the car so they actually delivered the vehicle to our track and without us actually even touching the vehicle I mean we're still purchasing anonymously we're only letting them know where we are when they're actually getting the delivery of the vehicle but it's definitely opened up a kind of a new purchasing possibilities for us if you're looking for buying a car there are definitely some discounts there to be had but you know it's it's really kind of hit or miss depending on what those dealerships are going to be able to do and how much they're going to meet and negotiate for you so it's it's definitely interesting time to buy I mean what I what I've been hearing is that there's there's plenty plenty of inventory because just as much as the car plants are idled at the same time nobody's buying right well and that's true I mean one really interesting thing I mean I just couldn't keep him coming back to you know as a consumer you know I mean should you be buying right now and I think one of the interesting things is that there's so much uncertainty right now so I mean we're working from home I'm sure a lot of people who are listening to us are working from home will you be working from home in a year you might be I mean there's a lot of data showing that everyone's kind of reassessing this so perhaps the kind of car that you are looking for maybe a month ago might be not the right car for you a year from now and maybe you don't know right now but I think right now would be a great opportunity to really do some research and say you know what I was really looking for this type of vehicle but if my needs change I should look for the I do some research for that type of vehicle so I think it's a great opportunity to kind of broaden what you're interested in and taking a look at some different different segments of the market yeah yeah so so Ryan do you have any do you anything anything to add about like you know leases or anything like that because I've been getting a lot of questions from folks about you know my lease is ending should I extend it I've been offered the ability to extend it we have a whole article about this on consumer report org and we also have an article about how to buy a car without without setting foot in a dealership so if you are in this situation where you're lucky enough to buy a car you know check that out but yeah yeah so so the the the lease deal is actually they're extending a lot of a lot of manufacturers and dealers will extend your lease or at least a little while during this just to keep you at home and away from everything it's just it's a matter of making a phone call we've actually had you know we had a story we was someone reached out to the dealer and I once once she got through to them it was a quick process and they extended her lease and it was a pretty painless process but everything Jake said was true and it is happening it's it's just an interesting time to be alive and an odd way to buy a car but you know the Jake's point it's definitely worth thinking about you know the future a little bit because things are uncertain you may be working from home for a long period of time and maybe you don't even need a car or you know money-wise are you gonna be able to actually afford this in the future yeah scary they're scary thoughts but it's it's all real and III just thought too of like you know if you have a car right now and it's maybe it's on its last leg hurts they need some maintenance it might be wise to just maybe the invest a little into that just to keep it going in the meantime just in case you know maybe buying a car and a new car even a used car right now it's not smart for your situation but that's something you have to decide yourself yeah I think that's really important what you're saying that you know if you have an older car it might make sense just kind of keep it and if you're gonna sell it yeah well it's worthwhile having a car that's you know good even if you're selling it but um you know I'm kind of reminded to you know some of the the digital projects that we always kind of talked about at Consumer Reports and one of the things that we've always talked about is trying to calculate the exact right time economically to sell your car you know everyone always ask this you know it's like well you know at what point is my car so bad that I'm spending more money keeping alive than buying a new car and the answer in the stock market you know time to sell or buy but the answer when we do the calculations is kind of surprising but actually really simple the right answer if it's just purely economic we're not talking about we know new cars are safer and all that but economically when am i spending more time more money in my older car than buying a new one the answer is never you you really just keep the car I mean even if you're putting a new transmission in the car like every other year it's way cheaper than what you're gonna lose if you purchase a new car with all those steep depreciation curves in the first couple of years and for me I mean I got a I got a notice on my lease and it said you know it actually it said please don't call us it just just keep paying and we'll extend it until it was supposed to be doing a month or two months and and they said we'll keep we'll extend it till December so what do you gonna keep hanging it yeah the dealership those cars to come back to the Lots because they don't have room for them they're clogging up the you know they're sort of clogging up the pipeline of inventory also all these rental car companies are shedding their fleets because you know people aren't renting cars anymore and as a result the the auctions where all these cars get sent through our clogged up and and they don't want late-model used cars so that's another reason that by returning your lease might not be the best idea right now in addition to not you know staying safe reducing your financial and health risks but if you have a lease right now I'd say stay in it these are these are strange times indeed when a dealerships are saying please don't call us different but you know it's kind of like what's going on in the oil market right now I mean they're still producing all this oil there's no place to put it you got to the point where they I have to pay people to take the oil and hopefully we'll get to that with cars where they actually pay you to take the cars got the new place to put them so well we'll let you know when that happens so those are some questions about about newer cars about newer used cars but I think right now there are a lot of questions out there a lot more like this one from from Halen in st. Paul who asks us I'll soon be in the market for a used car with a budget around $2,000 I realized that severely limits my auctions but I need a car as soon as possible and that's all my budget allows for I'm not too picky on what I want as long as it's reliable and safe and good job Halen because that's those are the two most important things in a car and that's coming from someone who values a lot of other things but those are the two I won't compromise on I know you recommend buying a car with electronic stability control esc but most cars in my price range don't have it or are extremely high mileage is it smarter to buy a car with more safety or a lower mileage car that last me longer and Ryan ESC what is electronic stability control can you talk a little more about that it's been a while since we talked about it's because it's been standard on all new cars starting in like 20 2012 I think yeah so right right yeah we kind of forget about that's just comes in the car now so ESC is electronic stability control and it's a system in the car that basically keeps your car from spinning out it applies brakes if you got into a base of maneuver and the car started to spin out or something it basically straightens the car back out on the road it's probably the greatest thing since seat belts very important it is tough because in that price range you got to really do some research to find that yeah but um it is possible you just got to look around well the good news we did a little research we we so Halon if you're out there go to safercar.gov and that's nit TSA's website about traffic safety crash tests all that sort of stuff but they also have a list of which cars ESC was optional on and that goes back to 2005 and on the vehicles that it was optional on you want to pull a you don't need to pull a full vehicle history report that you pay for but you do want to at least go to Carfax put in the VIN and see how the car was originally equipped because then you'll see whether ESC was standard on the car because the dealer now might not know that and also you'll find out other important safety features cut back in 2005 some of these cars didn't even have you know side airbags were an option on some really good cars in 2005-2006 so you don't want a car without those either so I mean looking around Jake you you said you know we all kind of went on we all kind of went online I found an O 5 Prius that in st. Paul that was around 2400 you might be able to negotiate down a little bit and it had you know that's a car that'll last forever what did you find Jake well well first of all when you're looking at used cars it's this it's not the same answer for for all the vehicles so an old vehicle by one manufacturer might be an unreliable vehicle another manufacturer might still have a lot of life left and the same thing with safety because they actually added the safety equipment all different years so as an example you know my wife was buying a new car her old Prius she's a 2006 Prius that now my son is driving but 2006 previous one or 50,000 miles really very trouble-free vehicle they offered us 1500 bucks at the dealer to trade it in and here's a car that has a lot of life left in it it has the stability control on it it's kind of a really good choice and you know you may want to take a look at maybe not just dealers but also if you look at Facebook marketplace or Craigslist a lot of times those there's less priced vehicles are there or that's where they are these are people who were offered maybe low-balled at the dealership for a trade-in and they're trying to look and see if they could get another couple hundred bucks for it of course my only problem with that just now is is that it's you know some of those those private sales are harder to do because of some restrictions so I don't know depending upon where you are those DMVs might be closed those those private sales they don't have a staff of people to sanitize the car and deliver it to you so that that is a riskier proposition and actually yeah in normal times it's more risky to yeah you don't have a warranty now you're dealing with somebody who you don't know but this is there are there are options out there the other thing to keep in mind is when you're looking at these illative vehicles not just the building control so so in 2012 they made stability control standard but that also made anti-lock brakes standard so before 2012 you may be finding vehicles don't even have anti-lock brakes that means that if you have wet conditions or icy conditions you hit the brakes you can't even steer the vehicle so that is a huge improvement in terms of safety - the other thing I would like to add is you know you did your homework and looked at different sites look at consumer reports because we do if you do find a vehicle to interested in you can go and I mean you certainly could look at our used car marketplace but on each one of the years of each one of those vehicles we do have the equipment so all the safety equipment so we tell consumers exactly when side airbags were were added when stability control was added when it became optional when it was standard and all those types of things so that's a great resource to kind of like break down not just what is on that particular car but also you know say I'm looking at a 2007 what's it you know you'll find it well in 2008 is when they made stability control standard so that is kind of a really useful thing to kind of narrow down your search and I mean we searched we actually I found an O five Prius with standard ESC with sorry with the optional ESC on this particular vehicle it was at a local dealer in st. Paul so it might still be open it was for about 2500 but you might be able to negotiate now especially without the sort of glut of used cars out there some of these dealers might want to get stuff off their Lots we also add consumerreports.org have a list of cars that get to 200,000 miles and some of these cars it's no problem I mean I sold my old four Prius with 165 on it and it was the next owner owned it for years but there are some cars out there that you know and also depending upon how they're maintained right Ryan that you might not want to pick up something that was someone else's car that was that was abused right right yeah I mean it's it's it's still kind of tough but you got it we gotta check the car out real thoroughly as you can and you know it my advice to also would be you know look for a car that was somewhat simpler some of these older German cars with all these little gadgets and things you might want to stay away from that stuff you know an older car with even a manual transmission something like that that's probably more the vein you want to go down I think you'll never nothing's nothing's more expensive than a cheap luxury car I think some of those unfortunately were the ones that had esc standard you'll find the more expensive cars and but they'll also have 20 other things an air suspension there's something else that'll yeah and they're in there and they're intriguing because it's like oh wow this BMW is super cheap and it's a you know that car we used to be a 80 grand maybe right but it's it's a world of yeah I think you could you could also kind of look at the vehicle and kind of make some assumptions I mean the Prius probably was not being street-raced it's probably a good chance of that I mean if you're looking at an older WRX I know what they've done to all those cars you can find a WRX for 2-grand yeah they're out there but there ain't pretty no so speaking speaking of affordable cars affordable new cars we actually have we have new tests going up on our site new test results going up and for the Hyundai Venu SEL this is a new car it's it's it's a replacement for the Hyundai Accent hatchback except this is a little more SUV like the the powertrain it has one hundred and twenty one horsepower 1.6 liter four-cylinder engine it has a CVT it's front-wheel drive only the one we bought was around $20,000 but they start at around seventeen three and go up to only around twenty two and actually the base model still comes with a stick shift so Jake what what is this where does it fit is it an SUV is it a hatchback it's small what is it it is a transportation unit you know it's kind of more than that it's a little more in the same vein and I don't see mean that in a negative way I mean you just you it doesn't fit in normal classifications it kind of the same way as the the Kia Soul which actually shares a lot of components with so I think it's you know it's a great I think the things brilliant I mean I just gotta say because it's you know you take a vehicle like the Hyundai Accent and you kind of put it in this kind of like SUV box shape and it's you know you could say okay well they're tricking people and then making think as an SUV but it's more than that because actually if you get that kind of - box shape in it you get a lot of interior room a lot of function in this vehicle so even though the thing is it's very short I mean think it's one of the shortest vehicles you could buy right now in terms of length it has a quite a bit of room inside and that's actually kind of fun to drive it's it's kind of nimble I mean it doesn't ride super well it's pretty stiff but it's kind of like a cheap and cheerful kind of vehicle that has a lot of function and you know it's got some I mean in terms of the equipment I mean the infotainment system works really nice has a lot of features that safety he infotainment that sort of straightforward setup yeah it's got the features but it's really well laid out so it doesn't really frustrate you lots of standard safety features built into this vehicle and everything from standard for collision warning automatic emergency braking st. or pedestrian detection so I mean it just really shows you could have something that's small something is inexpensive something that's fuel-efficient and you know it gives you kind of what you need in terms of safety and some room to Ryan you took this thing on the track right I did yeah it's it's so listen it's a I don't want to sound negative but it's a twenty thousand dollar car and it has a ton of safety stuff in it right so that in itself is very appealing but again it's a twenty thousand dollar car so in today's world unfortunately twenty thousand dollars for a car a brand new car is not a lot of money I mean that's pretty good but this car is stiff riding the seats are very basic you know it's it's very the engine to out its buzzy it's got a CVT in it so the you know the low powered engine really kind of activates that CBT to really flare up but you know around the track it was it did great in our voyage maneuver it's you know it's a smaller car it doesn't have the greatest steering but it it's small its nimble we turned a good speed through our wins maneuver and even around the the handling circuit it was very secure safe to drive but again it's got that that cheaper feel to it yeah but brilliantly yeah go ahead sorry no just I keep going back to the safety features that you'd get for that kind of money of those it's pretty impressive yeah and you can also so something that I found really interesting was that we we got two versions of this car we rented the denim version from from Hyundai and that is the sort of sort of basically top of the line and it has a bunch of interesting little design flourishes that make it a really interesting car for not a lot of money and it looked good I mean it had that two-tone paint it had a little bit of extra embroidery on the seats that had contrasting stitching and cloth just these little extras even the the taillights had little they were embossed the plastic was embossed with swith with a design and it looked good and then we bought one which was just a step down from that and we bought the SEL and it has the smaller wheels and it has the single color paint and it just it just doesn't look that good I think the one you see in the commercial is gonna drive the same as the cheaper car but it's not it's not going to have that style so that's you know just sort of a little bit of buyer beware that if you want a car that that that if that looks real good and also it none of them come with all-wheel-drive even though they look a little SUV like so just you know keep that in mind but for basic transportation we've been getting a lot of questions about this car from people I think something that's really interesting is that this this car was aimed at gen Z it was one of the first cars that was aimed at those younger buyers who are getting their licenses and and just you know graduating from college now and we're getting questions from older people younger people all ages about this car well a great way to attract older buyers is to market it to younger buyers and I'm gonna get timing again and I mean quite honestly I mean you kind of like you know learn to drive on a Civic or CRX or something I mean you probably not going to be that bothered by a stiff ride and a little bit of noise and I think these this type of vehicles can can see you really well and and Keith you know in terms of the styling I mean the fact that is so inexpensive I mean you bring up a great point you can get all the bells and whistles you know you know up and get the higher trim line and you can get all those things because if you look at like you know even just like a normal compact car these days you know when you start throwing on all the options now you're at $30,000 for a for a Mazda 3 or something like that it's very easy to do here you could get all of it you know all the nice interior fixings and and the funny thing is is that when you really come down to it all those things that are luxury you know in terms of you know the nice seats or whatever they're all from suppliers so it's all kind of like what are they importing what are they putting in one of the tier 2 tier 1 suppliers gonna put in and you could get all that in a small package and yeah yeah click all the boxes that car could afford it so check out our full review all the info all the numbers everything for the Hyundai venue at consumerreports.org alright now you've looked at us enough it's time to look at you if you want to end up in our little Hollywood Squares you know around the horn style the parade effaces Brady Bunch send a video question two talking cars at icloud.com and that's exactly what Lucas from Wichita did he has a question about fuel economy hi talking cars I just recently purchased a 20 20 MINI Countryman all4 s and just finished putting in the brake in miles on it and I've noticed that I've been getting significantly higher fuel economy than the EP estimated numbers on the window sticker when I bought it I've been averaging about 33 miles per gallon combined while the combined EPA numbers are about 26 and I do mostly city driving here in Wichita my question to you is can manufacturers report different fuel economy numbers then the EPA gives them and if so is it common for them to understand keep up the good work so standards are they really standards and who's setting them Jake standards are standards but it's a great question and actually there is a kind of a little little dirty secret a little known rule is that they can request a lower number not a lot of automakers do this but I mean look in terms of the rules you know you the automaker has to report the EPA numbers but the automaker can say well we'd like a lower EPA numbers and then the testing show and the reason they may do that is they really want to guard against customer dissatisfaction or maybe have the people like really excited to see see that I mean it kind of comes from early on I don't know if you know if you go back and like the very first Priuses for instance they had like some crazy EPA number of like you know 65 miles per gallon or something or 60 miles per gallon and then people would get like 40 which is phenomenal especially fan out on all the time and people be like but I didn't get my 60 so in cases like that the EP does allow the automakers say well we don't want to report 60 want to report whatever so it can't happen I don't know if it's necessarily happening with your vehicle though even though that rule is there I think in terms of your vehicle and you look at the mini I think it all depends on what city is and what highway is these are terms that are kind of thrown away honestly there are test schedules and there's in terms of EPA there's actually hope to calculations where they they make a bunch of estimates the truth is that see traffic in the heart of midtown Manhattan is a whole lot different from city traffic in Hartford Connecticut or somewhere else it really has to do is how many hard accelerations how many hard stops how much the idling time so the your mileage may vary is absolutely true and my guess is your city traffic would probably better on a lot of different vehicles too so if do you be happy with mileage you're getting and you know it's kind of nice having a small car that has that great fuel efficiency and Ryan that's why we test we do our own fuel economy tests right yeah so we we do a highway and a city test the city test is actually right at our track and the highway test but you actually go out on a real highway and do it and we put the actual fuel meter in line in the fuel system and we record the amount of fuel it uses so just kind of double-check and we've seen some discrepancies but both ways higher or lower but in his in this case I mean be happy do the same thing with the car payment I mean Lord not higher yeah I mean our our city is totally from the EPA city our highway is different from the EPA highway they're just kind of like Kure the span that you may get really the overall is really what the look look for but you know I mean our highway for instances is steady 65 miles per hour so it's really gonna be probably better than you're gonna get but just it really just kind of shows the span right cool thanks for the video question we've got another one actually another one from Kansas my name is Sean commercial and I live in Topeka Kansas my question is about the 12-volt battery in electric cars do all the manufacturers use a 12-volt battery in addition to the main battery pack if so why do they do that what if that 12-volt battery fails does the car still run or start what charges the 12-volt battery and why not just get rid of it you'd save weight and it'd be one less point of failure just run everything off the main battery pack just reduce the voltage down to 12 volts for that system thanks a lot that's a really interesting question does a does a car with batteries need extra batteries and I remember with some of the first hybrids that was an issue because someone's someone's 12-volt starter battery would die and it would be this this this weird little kind of golf cart style battery and it was very very unique and expensive but it wasn't as expensive as replacing the whole battery pack so another example that's it's kind of what you're talking about is that um hyundai ioniq and on the kia nero on the hybrid versions of those cards they took a portion of that of that larger battery and kind of partitioned it off to use as a battery for like a starter battery and for four jump starts essentially and there's a button on the dashboard that you can press if you found that your car won't start and it will basically activate that that partition of the battery it's an interesting setup and it's it's the first car that that that has that that's also a gas powered car but Jake there's there was something with with the Tesla right the original Roadster so so on those vehicles kind of like the reserve fuel tank right I mean older cars used to have you actually flip a switch you'd go to the reserve yeah I mean the first Tesla Roadster actually didn't have a 12 volt battery at all they wound up adding a 12 volt battery in the pedestrian production line later on because they found it guarded against just completely breaking the battery when it just completely runs down they needed external battery to kind of get everything going so I mean it's a good question I mean clearly with what some of the newer cars are doing is just a possibility of it especially if you partition some of the battery for that 12 volt I suspect going forward we are gonna see less and less 12 volt batteries just because of the cost savings of it I mean I think having that 1200 is kind of like a safety bit there and then if it dies it's certainly a lot cheaper to replace but it does it is a question you have so many batteries why do you need a another battery and that it also means that those are cars that you can't you can't jumpstart you can't use jumper cables on on those well at least on the on the ionic and the on the knee road there's nowhere to put those jumper cables yeah I mean if you've an electric car you suppose you don't really need the jumpstart and so a hybrid if you need to jumpstart that you're in trouble thanks for the video questions talk to cars at icloud.com on to some some regular questions that were sent in we got one from Hayes from Hartford Wisconsin the other Hartford asks with many people having personal incomes reduced some folks may look for replacement tires from lesser known brands some of these might be imported from overseas does the Department of Transportation or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Nitsa do any testing on these tires to ensure they are safe for consumers or is the tire market a Wild West where the law of the land is buyer beware Ryan you've you've actually driven and tested some of these these lower priced tires right yeah so it's it's it's a great question I think people do have some concerns with stuff like this so all road-going tires so any tire that you can buy put on your car and legally drive down the road with in the US has to meet a minimum standard so it's a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and has put forth and enforces these standards federal standards and it's kind of interesting because tire manufacturers actually have to do this testing themselves and most almost all these manufacturers will design to well above the minimum standard I mean the tires are the only thing touching the road huge safety component to a vehicle right so they're not gonna play around with that you know I getting our hands on some tires that would be that black market or whatever you want to call it would almost be very difficult very difficult because you know I don't know a guy who knows the guy yeah I mean my advice would be you know check out you know when you're buying these tires go through some of you reputable like you know tire rack or discount tire places like that that are they're carrying you know it's a reputable business right and you know to the more than a point I think is the real concern should just be the performance of these tires because there's they are safe we recommend you have a cheap set of no-name tires on your car as opposed to have some old bald tires or michmash tires just because or their guy business or use hires they're gonna be safer and we've tested some tires that were less than half the price of a regular premium you know premium brand tire and they've landed mid pack and they've done well you know they do tend to fall towards the bottom most of them but again they're safer than a worn out or you know a used tire that you don't know anything about that kind of thing so it's a good question but they in general terms these tires are safe they're just their performance might vary yeah you know it kind of reminds me of just like the car market you know I mean there's a lot of brands that people are still like Kia what's that that's an off-brand but you know in time they become mainstream brands I mean like kuhmo or Hankook you know I mean these you know a few years ago people are kind of scratching their heads about and now they're becoming quite mainstream absolutely yeah and Cooke necks and even necks ins come way up you know they make big big great tires so there they were always safe they were just not as known about you know so and the other thing is if it's there was to be you know there was to be an issue with one of these tires and they got recalled and they weren't able to prove that these tires met those minimum standards the legal recourse is insane like they'd just get in a lot of trouble so it's not even worth that you know so it's it's just uncommon yeah is there a stamp or something that hey should be looking for on on a tire just to show to make sure or if he's buying it at a Walmart or a BJ's or Costco or something he's been he's probably gonna do okay yeah I mean listen all these tires will have a do T stamp on them which shows there's some internal codes for the manufacturer but there's not this shows the plant and the date of manufacture that it was made so it's it's good to look at that date the last four numbers of that date or all of that code is a date it's a it'll it'll say it'll say maybe 2016 which means it was made on the 20th week of 2016 those are some things you can look for excellent great advice and a good way to save money especially on maybe an older car that you're not sure if you're gonna be driving that many miles on it that's real good advice speaking of Kia and speaking of the meteoric rise of of one particular vehicle from Kia Farook asks at first he says love the show keep the hip up the good work as we all stay home through these difficult times I will be in the market for a three row SUV soon and all signs point to the kia telluride being the best option but telluride inventory is slim i recently contacted a dealer to get pricing on the e.x telluride and was quoted a price $4,000 over MSRP that manufacturer's suggested retail price so it suggested the dealer can starts whatever they want at that price a Toyota Highlander is within reach this seems like price gouging to me is there anything to be done in the situation is that a question to her any one of us yeah yeah I mean so I didn't a little I did a little bit of research into into dealer inventory and it looks like the telluride and its its twin the hyundai palisade which is a very very similar vehicle although the Palisades built in Korea the telly rides builds in Georgia that there actually is some inventory of these vehicles it was slim before the pandemic people wanted the car then there were some early issues because there was a factory supplier near of the epicenter of the first outbreak in Wuhan that that created some of the important parts for these vehicles regardless of where they were built so they were some of the the first cars to have a slowdown of production and now the cards that are on dealers are basically the cars that are that are there but there are some out there you may have to search a little further to a dealer that isn't very isn't very close by but $4,000 over MSRP is so so even before coronavirus I mean they were reports of many dealers charging extra for the teller ride so this whole ride was just that out of the gate big hit so I think you're looking at it the right way you know if now the cost of the vehicle is higher certainly look at other dealerships maybe that you could find the right but if the vehicles higher then look at some other options and the highlander you know i mean quite honestly when driving the highlander it's not I mean look I prefer that to a teller ride for a bunch of different reasons too but I mean the highlander does have a lot going for it especially if you're a type of person who is looking to keep this car a long time if you're gonna keep a car to 200,000 miles yeah my money would probably be with the highlander over the teller i tilted quite honestly yeah ryan you I saw you give a thumbs up when he said Telluride we love this car yeah it's a it's a fantastic car we're actually using it for tire testing this year for the test crossovers sized tires and the we were very pleased that we got to use that vehicle it's just a comfortable nice car it's impressive what they did with that vehicle and also weight I mean that's another piece of piece of advice if you don't need this car right away I have a feeling that Kia is going to build more of these I think early production sometimes cars are limited to how many they can they can make right off the bat and there and I'm sure they they they projected this car was gonna sell well but I don't think I mean this is this was a runaway hit so they're gonna catch up it happens with every card no one wants they want to sell these cards they don't want Kia doesn't want their dealers charging the four thousand dollar markup they want to sell ten times more cars so wait a little while and you might see these prices go down excellent well if you have any questions for us would love to see you so send send us a video question at talking cars at icloud.com the other questions were working our way through them and we hope to see you again real soon thanks for joining us and for talking cars with us youthis week we discuss our test results for the 2020 Hyundai venue we talk buying new cars low-cost used cars and leases during these strange times and we answer your questions including why does it seem so hard to find it Kia telluride these days next on talking cars hey welcome back I'm Keith Barry I'm Jake Fisher and I'm riding public house key and hey Ryan it's good it's good to see you we're your your new addition to the remote team how you doing I'm doing well just hiding out here in my office closet of an office if I will but yeah just staying busy and staying home staying safe yeah as as we hope you're all doing and we're giving you a little something to watch in the meantime take your mind off everything but first some questions related to coronavirus we've got lots of questions about car buying during the pandemic and the sort of resulting economic crisis and I just like to kind of go at them all at once because they're all sort of a variations on on a similar theme you know is is what I'm looking for there what about leases what about should I get a new car what about used cars so Jake I'll throw that to you what if what have you seen out there because things are a little chaotic in the in the automotive world right now right yeah it's it's kind of crazy I mean look first of all people are not buying a lot of cars obviously what we're seeing is that the automakers are really kind of doing everything they can to make the sales when they have the ability to do do it so actually we've been purchasing vehicles here at the track which is kind of a strange thing but we've been able to do it with social distancing so we actually purchased a brand new BMW 228 i-x which we were able to do without actually setting foot into a dealership or sitting foot into the car so they actually delivered the vehicle to our track and without us actually even touching the vehicle I mean we're still purchasing anonymously we're only letting them know where we are when they're actually getting the delivery of the vehicle but it's definitely opened up a kind of a new purchasing possibilities for us if you're looking for buying a car there are definitely some discounts there to be had but you know it's it's really kind of hit or miss depending on what those dealerships are going to be able to do and how much they're going to meet and negotiate for you so it's it's definitely interesting time to buy I mean what I what I've been hearing is that there's there's plenty plenty of inventory because just as much as the car plants are idled at the same time nobody's buying right well and that's true I mean one really interesting thing I mean I just couldn't keep him coming back to you know as a consumer you know I mean should you be buying right now and I think one of the interesting things is that there's so much uncertainty right now so I mean we're working from home I'm sure a lot of people who are listening to us are working from home will you be working from home in a year you might be I mean there's a lot of data showing that everyone's kind of reassessing this so perhaps the kind of car that you are looking for maybe a month ago might be not the right car for you a year from now and maybe you don't know right now but I think right now would be a great opportunity to really do some research and say you know what I was really looking for this type of vehicle but if my needs change I should look for the I do some research for that type of vehicle so I think it's a great opportunity to kind of broaden what you're interested in and taking a look at some different different segments of the market yeah yeah so so Ryan do you have any do you anything anything to add about like you know leases or anything like that because I've been getting a lot of questions from folks about you know my lease is ending should I extend it I've been offered the ability to extend it we have a whole article about this on consumer report org and we also have an article about how to buy a car without without setting foot in a dealership so if you are in this situation where you're lucky enough to buy a car you know check that out but yeah yeah so so the the the lease deal is actually they're extending a lot of a lot of manufacturers and dealers will extend your lease or at least a little while during this just to keep you at home and away from everything it's just it's a matter of making a phone call we've actually had you know we had a story we was someone reached out to the dealer and I once once she got through to them it was a quick process and they extended her lease and it was a pretty painless process but everything Jake said was true and it is happening it's it's just an interesting time to be alive and an odd way to buy a car but you know the Jake's point it's definitely worth thinking about you know the future a little bit because things are uncertain you may be working from home for a long period of time and maybe you don't even need a car or you know money-wise are you gonna be able to actually afford this in the future yeah scary they're scary thoughts but it's it's all real and III just thought too of like you know if you have a car right now and it's maybe it's on its last leg hurts they need some maintenance it might be wise to just maybe the invest a little into that just to keep it going in the meantime just in case you know maybe buying a car and a new car even a used car right now it's not smart for your situation but that's something you have to decide yourself yeah I think that's really important what you're saying that you know if you have an older car it might make sense just kind of keep it and if you're gonna sell it yeah well it's worthwhile having a car that's you know good even if you're selling it but um you know I'm kind of reminded to you know some of the the digital projects that we always kind of talked about at Consumer Reports and one of the things that we've always talked about is trying to calculate the exact right time economically to sell your car you know everyone always ask this you know it's like well you know at what point is my car so bad that I'm spending more money keeping alive than buying a new car and the answer in the stock market you know time to sell or buy but the answer when we do the calculations is kind of surprising but actually really simple the right answer if it's just purely economic we're not talking about we know new cars are safer and all that but economically when am i spending more time more money in my older car than buying a new one the answer is never you you really just keep the car I mean even if you're putting a new transmission in the car like every other year it's way cheaper than what you're gonna lose if you purchase a new car with all those steep depreciation curves in the first couple of years and for me I mean I got a I got a notice on my lease and it said you know it actually it said please don't call us it just just keep paying and we'll extend it until it was supposed to be doing a month or two months and and they said we'll keep we'll extend it till December so what do you gonna keep hanging it yeah the dealership those cars to come back to the Lots because they don't have room for them they're clogging up the you know they're sort of clogging up the pipeline of inventory also all these rental car companies are shedding their fleets because you know people aren't renting cars anymore and as a result the the auctions where all these cars get sent through our clogged up and and they don't want late-model used cars so that's another reason that by returning your lease might not be the best idea right now in addition to not you know staying safe reducing your financial and health risks but if you have a lease right now I'd say stay in it these are these are strange times indeed when a dealerships are saying please don't call us different but you know it's kind of like what's going on in the oil market right now I mean they're still producing all this oil there's no place to put it you got to the point where they I have to pay people to take the oil and hopefully we'll get to that with cars where they actually pay you to take the cars got the new place to put them so well we'll let you know when that happens so those are some questions about about newer cars about newer used cars but I think right now there are a lot of questions out there a lot more like this one from from Halen in st. Paul who asks us I'll soon be in the market for a used car with a budget around $2,000 I realized that severely limits my auctions but I need a car as soon as possible and that's all my budget allows for I'm not too picky on what I want as long as it's reliable and safe and good job Halen because that's those are the two most important things in a car and that's coming from someone who values a lot of other things but those are the two I won't compromise on I know you recommend buying a car with electronic stability control esc but most cars in my price range don't have it or are extremely high mileage is it smarter to buy a car with more safety or a lower mileage car that last me longer and Ryan ESC what is electronic stability control can you talk a little more about that it's been a while since we talked about it's because it's been standard on all new cars starting in like 20 2012 I think yeah so right right yeah we kind of forget about that's just comes in the car now so ESC is electronic stability control and it's a system in the car that basically keeps your car from spinning out it applies brakes if you got into a base of maneuver and the car started to spin out or something it basically straightens the car back out on the road it's probably the greatest thing since seat belts very important it is tough because in that price range you got to really do some research to find that yeah but um it is possible you just got to look around well the good news we did a little research we we so Halon if you're out there go to safercar.gov and that's nit TSA's website about traffic safety crash tests all that sort of stuff but they also have a list of which cars ESC was optional on and that goes back to 2005 and on the vehicles that it was optional on you want to pull a you don't need to pull a full vehicle history report that you pay for but you do want to at least go to Carfax put in the VIN and see how the car was originally equipped because then you'll see whether ESC was standard on the car because the dealer now might not know that and also you'll find out other important safety features cut back in 2005 some of these cars didn't even have you know side airbags were an option on some really good cars in 2005-2006 so you don't want a car without those either so I mean looking around Jake you you said you know we all kind of went on we all kind of went online I found an O 5 Prius that in st. Paul that was around 2400 you might be able to negotiate down a little bit and it had you know that's a car that'll last forever what did you find Jake well well first of all when you're looking at used cars it's this it's not the same answer for for all the vehicles so an old vehicle by one manufacturer might be an unreliable vehicle another manufacturer might still have a lot of life left and the same thing with safety because they actually added the safety equipment all different years so as an example you know my wife was buying a new car her old Prius she's a 2006 Prius that now my son is driving but 2006 previous one or 50,000 miles really very trouble-free vehicle they offered us 1500 bucks at the dealer to trade it in and here's a car that has a lot of life left in it it has the stability control on it it's kind of a really good choice and you know you may want to take a look at maybe not just dealers but also if you look at Facebook marketplace or Craigslist a lot of times those there's less priced vehicles are there or that's where they are these are people who were offered maybe low-balled at the dealership for a trade-in and they're trying to look and see if they could get another couple hundred bucks for it of course my only problem with that just now is is that it's you know some of those those private sales are harder to do because of some restrictions so I don't know depending upon where you are those DMVs might be closed those those private sales they don't have a staff of people to sanitize the car and deliver it to you so that that is a riskier proposition and actually yeah in normal times it's more risky to yeah you don't have a warranty now you're dealing with somebody who you don't know but this is there are there are options out there the other thing to keep in mind is when you're looking at these illative vehicles not just the building control so so in 2012 they made stability control standard but that also made anti-lock brakes standard so before 2012 you may be finding vehicles don't even have anti-lock brakes that means that if you have wet conditions or icy conditions you hit the brakes you can't even steer the vehicle so that is a huge improvement in terms of safety - the other thing I would like to add is you know you did your homework and looked at different sites look at consumer reports because we do if you do find a vehicle to interested in you can go and I mean you certainly could look at our used car marketplace but on each one of the years of each one of those vehicles we do have the equipment so all the safety equipment so we tell consumers exactly when side airbags were were added when stability control was added when it became optional when it was standard and all those types of things so that's a great resource to kind of like break down not just what is on that particular car but also you know say I'm looking at a 2007 what's it you know you'll find it well in 2008 is when they made stability control standard so that is kind of a really useful thing to kind of narrow down your search and I mean we searched we actually I found an O five Prius with standard ESC with sorry with the optional ESC on this particular vehicle it was at a local dealer in st. Paul so it might still be open it was for about 2500 but you might be able to negotiate now especially without the sort of glut of used cars out there some of these dealers might want to get stuff off their Lots we also add consumerreports.org have a list of cars that get to 200,000 miles and some of these cars it's no problem I mean I sold my old four Prius with 165 on it and it was the next owner owned it for years but there are some cars out there that you know and also depending upon how they're maintained right Ryan that you might not want to pick up something that was someone else's car that was that was abused right right yeah I mean it's it's it's still kind of tough but you got it we gotta check the car out real thoroughly as you can and you know it my advice to also would be you know look for a car that was somewhat simpler some of these older German cars with all these little gadgets and things you might want to stay away from that stuff you know an older car with even a manual transmission something like that that's probably more the vein you want to go down I think you'll never nothing's nothing's more expensive than a cheap luxury car I think some of those unfortunately were the ones that had esc standard you'll find the more expensive cars and but they'll also have 20 other things an air suspension there's something else that'll yeah and they're in there and they're intriguing because it's like oh wow this BMW is super cheap and it's a you know that car we used to be a 80 grand maybe right but it's it's a world of yeah I think you could you could also kind of look at the vehicle and kind of make some assumptions I mean the Prius probably was not being street-raced it's probably a good chance of that I mean if you're looking at an older WRX I know what they've done to all those cars you can find a WRX for 2-grand yeah they're out there but there ain't pretty no so speaking speaking of affordable cars affordable new cars we actually have we have new tests going up on our site new test results going up and for the Hyundai Venu SEL this is a new car it's it's it's a replacement for the Hyundai Accent hatchback except this is a little more SUV like the the powertrain it has one hundred and twenty one horsepower 1.6 liter four-cylinder engine it has a CVT it's front-wheel drive only the one we bought was around $20,000 but they start at around seventeen three and go up to only around twenty two and actually the base model still comes with a stick shift so Jake what what is this where does it fit is it an SUV is it a hatchback it's small what is it it is a transportation unit you know it's kind of more than that it's a little more in the same vein and I don't see mean that in a negative way I mean you just you it doesn't fit in normal classifications it kind of the same way as the the Kia Soul which actually shares a lot of components with so I think it's you know it's a great I think the things brilliant I mean I just gotta say because it's you know you take a vehicle like the Hyundai Accent and you kind of put it in this kind of like SUV box shape and it's you know you could say okay well they're tricking people and then making think as an SUV but it's more than that because actually if you get that kind of - box shape in it you get a lot of interior room a lot of function in this vehicle so even though the thing is it's very short I mean think it's one of the shortest vehicles you could buy right now in terms of length it has a quite a bit of room inside and that's actually kind of fun to drive it's it's kind of nimble I mean it doesn't ride super well it's pretty stiff but it's kind of like a cheap and cheerful kind of vehicle that has a lot of function and you know it's got some I mean in terms of the equipment I mean the infotainment system works really nice has a lot of features that safety he infotainment that sort of straightforward setup yeah it's got the features but it's really well laid out so it doesn't really frustrate you lots of standard safety features built into this vehicle and everything from standard for collision warning automatic emergency braking st. or pedestrian detection so I mean it just really shows you could have something that's small something is inexpensive something that's fuel-efficient and you know it gives you kind of what you need in terms of safety and some room to Ryan you took this thing on the track right I did yeah it's it's so listen it's a I don't want to sound negative but it's a twenty thousand dollar car and it has a ton of safety stuff in it right so that in itself is very appealing but again it's a twenty thousand dollar car so in today's world unfortunately twenty thousand dollars for a car a brand new car is not a lot of money I mean that's pretty good but this car is stiff riding the seats are very basic you know it's it's very the engine to out its buzzy it's got a CVT in it so the you know the low powered engine really kind of activates that CBT to really flare up but you know around the track it was it did great in our voyage maneuver it's you know it's a smaller car it doesn't have the greatest steering but it it's small its nimble we turned a good speed through our wins maneuver and even around the the handling circuit it was very secure safe to drive but again it's got that that cheaper feel to it yeah but brilliantly yeah go ahead sorry no just I keep going back to the safety features that you'd get for that kind of money of those it's pretty impressive yeah and you can also so something that I found really interesting was that we we got two versions of this car we rented the denim version from from Hyundai and that is the sort of sort of basically top of the line and it has a bunch of interesting little design flourishes that make it a really interesting car for not a lot of money and it looked good I mean it had that two-tone paint it had a little bit of extra embroidery on the seats that had contrasting stitching and cloth just these little extras even the the taillights had little they were embossed the plastic was embossed with swith with a design and it looked good and then we bought one which was just a step down from that and we bought the SEL and it has the smaller wheels and it has the single color paint and it just it just doesn't look that good I think the one you see in the commercial is gonna drive the same as the cheaper car but it's not it's not going to have that style so that's you know just sort of a little bit of buyer beware that if you want a car that that that if that looks real good and also it none of them come with all-wheel-drive even though they look a little SUV like so just you know keep that in mind but for basic transportation we've been getting a lot of questions about this car from people I think something that's really interesting is that this this car was aimed at gen Z it was one of the first cars that was aimed at those younger buyers who are getting their licenses and and just you know graduating from college now and we're getting questions from older people younger people all ages about this car well a great way to attract older buyers is to market it to younger buyers and I'm gonna get timing again and I mean quite honestly I mean you kind of like you know learn to drive on a Civic or CRX or something I mean you probably not going to be that bothered by a stiff ride and a little bit of noise and I think these this type of vehicles can can see you really well and and Keith you know in terms of the styling I mean the fact that is so inexpensive I mean you bring up a great point you can get all the bells and whistles you know you know up and get the higher trim line and you can get all those things because if you look at like you know even just like a normal compact car these days you know when you start throwing on all the options now you're at $30,000 for a for a Mazda 3 or something like that it's very easy to do here you could get all of it you know all the nice interior fixings and and the funny thing is is that when you really come down to it all those things that are luxury you know in terms of you know the nice seats or whatever they're all from suppliers so it's all kind of like what are they importing what are they putting in one of the tier 2 tier 1 suppliers gonna put in and you could get all that in a small package and yeah yeah click all the boxes that car could afford it so check out our full review all the info all the numbers everything for the Hyundai venue at consumerreports.org alright now you've looked at us enough it's time to look at you if you want to end up in our little Hollywood Squares you know around the horn style the parade effaces Brady Bunch send a video question two talking cars at icloud.com and that's exactly what Lucas from Wichita did he has a question about fuel economy hi talking cars I just recently purchased a 20 20 MINI Countryman all4 s and just finished putting in the brake in miles on it and I've noticed that I've been getting significantly higher fuel economy than the EP estimated numbers on the window sticker when I bought it I've been averaging about 33 miles per gallon combined while the combined EPA numbers are about 26 and I do mostly city driving here in Wichita my question to you is can manufacturers report different fuel economy numbers then the EPA gives them and if so is it common for them to understand keep up the good work so standards are they really standards and who's setting them Jake standards are standards but it's a great question and actually there is a kind of a little little dirty secret a little known rule is that they can request a lower number not a lot of automakers do this but I mean look in terms of the rules you know you the automaker has to report the EPA numbers but the automaker can say well we'd like a lower EPA numbers and then the testing show and the reason they may do that is they really want to guard against customer dissatisfaction or maybe have the people like really excited to see see that I mean it kind of comes from early on I don't know if you know if you go back and like the very first Priuses for instance they had like some crazy EPA number of like you know 65 miles per gallon or something or 60 miles per gallon and then people would get like 40 which is phenomenal especially fan out on all the time and people be like but I didn't get my 60 so in cases like that the EP does allow the automakers say well we don't want to report 60 want to report whatever so it can't happen I don't know if it's necessarily happening with your vehicle though even though that rule is there I think in terms of your vehicle and you look at the mini I think it all depends on what city is and what highway is these are terms that are kind of thrown away honestly there are test schedules and there's in terms of EPA there's actually hope to calculations where they they make a bunch of estimates the truth is that see traffic in the heart of midtown Manhattan is a whole lot different from city traffic in Hartford Connecticut or somewhere else it really has to do is how many hard accelerations how many hard stops how much the idling time so the your mileage may vary is absolutely true and my guess is your city traffic would probably better on a lot of different vehicles too so if do you be happy with mileage you're getting and you know it's kind of nice having a small car that has that great fuel efficiency and Ryan that's why we test we do our own fuel economy tests right yeah so we we do a highway and a city test the city test is actually right at our track and the highway test but you actually go out on a real highway and do it and we put the actual fuel meter in line in the fuel system and we record the amount of fuel it uses so just kind of double-check and we've seen some discrepancies but both ways higher or lower but in his in this case I mean be happy do the same thing with the car payment I mean Lord not higher yeah I mean our our city is totally from the EPA city our highway is different from the EPA highway they're just kind of like Kure the span that you may get really the overall is really what the look look for but you know I mean our highway for instances is steady 65 miles per hour so it's really gonna be probably better than you're gonna get but just it really just kind of shows the span right cool thanks for the video question we've got another one actually another one from Kansas my name is Sean commercial and I live in Topeka Kansas my question is about the 12-volt battery in electric cars do all the manufacturers use a 12-volt battery in addition to the main battery pack if so why do they do that what if that 12-volt battery fails does the car still run or start what charges the 12-volt battery and why not just get rid of it you'd save weight and it'd be one less point of failure just run everything off the main battery pack just reduce the voltage down to 12 volts for that system thanks a lot that's a really interesting question does a does a car with batteries need extra batteries and I remember with some of the first hybrids that was an issue because someone's someone's 12-volt starter battery would die and it would be this this this weird little kind of golf cart style battery and it was very very unique and expensive but it wasn't as expensive as replacing the whole battery pack so another example that's it's kind of what you're talking about is that um hyundai ioniq and on the kia nero on the hybrid versions of those cards they took a portion of that of that larger battery and kind of partitioned it off to use as a battery for like a starter battery and for four jump starts essentially and there's a button on the dashboard that you can press if you found that your car won't start and it will basically activate that that partition of the battery it's an interesting setup and it's it's the first car that that that has that that's also a gas powered car but Jake there's there was something with with the Tesla right the original Roadster so so on those vehicles kind of like the reserve fuel tank right I mean older cars used to have you actually flip a switch you'd go to the reserve yeah I mean the first Tesla Roadster actually didn't have a 12 volt battery at all they wound up adding a 12 volt battery in the pedestrian production line later on because they found it guarded against just completely breaking the battery when it just completely runs down they needed external battery to kind of get everything going so I mean it's a good question I mean clearly with what some of the newer cars are doing is just a possibility of it especially if you partition some of the battery for that 12 volt I suspect going forward we are gonna see less and less 12 volt batteries just because of the cost savings of it I mean I think having that 1200 is kind of like a safety bit there and then if it dies it's certainly a lot cheaper to replace but it does it is a question you have so many batteries why do you need a another battery and that it also means that those are cars that you can't you can't jumpstart you can't use jumper cables on on those well at least on the on the ionic and the on the knee road there's nowhere to put those jumper cables yeah I mean if you've an electric car you suppose you don't really need the jumpstart and so a hybrid if you need to jumpstart that you're in trouble thanks for the video questions talk to cars at icloud.com on to some some regular questions that were sent in we got one from Hayes from Hartford Wisconsin the other Hartford asks with many people having personal incomes reduced some folks may look for replacement tires from lesser known brands some of these might be imported from overseas does the Department of Transportation or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Nitsa do any testing on these tires to ensure they are safe for consumers or is the tire market a Wild West where the law of the land is buyer beware Ryan you've you've actually driven and tested some of these these lower priced tires right yeah so it's it's it's a great question I think people do have some concerns with stuff like this so all road-going tires so any tire that you can buy put on your car and legally drive down the road with in the US has to meet a minimum standard so it's a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and has put forth and enforces these standards federal standards and it's kind of interesting because tire manufacturers actually have to do this testing themselves and most almost all these manufacturers will design to well above the minimum standard I mean the tires are the only thing touching the road huge safety component to a vehicle right so they're not gonna play around with that you know I getting our hands on some tires that would be that black market or whatever you want to call it would almost be very difficult very difficult because you know I don't know a guy who knows the guy yeah I mean my advice would be you know check out you know when you're buying these tires go through some of you reputable like you know tire rack or discount tire places like that that are they're carrying you know it's a reputable business right and you know to the more than a point I think is the real concern should just be the performance of these tires because there's they are safe we recommend you have a cheap set of no-name tires on your car as opposed to have some old bald tires or michmash tires just because or their guy business or use hires they're gonna be safer and we've tested some tires that were less than half the price of a regular premium you know premium brand tire and they've landed mid pack and they've done well you know they do tend to fall towards the bottom most of them but again they're safer than a worn out or you know a used tire that you don't know anything about that kind of thing so it's a good question but they in general terms these tires are safe they're just their performance might vary yeah you know it kind of reminds me of just like the car market you know I mean there's a lot of brands that people are still like Kia what's that that's an off-brand but you know in time they become mainstream brands I mean like kuhmo or Hankook you know I mean these you know a few years ago people are kind of scratching their heads about and now they're becoming quite mainstream absolutely yeah and Cooke necks and even necks ins come way up you know they make big big great tires so there they were always safe they were just not as known about you know so and the other thing is if it's there was to be you know there was to be an issue with one of these tires and they got recalled and they weren't able to prove that these tires met those minimum standards the legal recourse is insane like they'd just get in a lot of trouble so it's not even worth that you know so it's it's just uncommon yeah is there a stamp or something that hey should be looking for on on a tire just to show to make sure or if he's buying it at a Walmart or a BJ's or Costco or something he's been he's probably gonna do okay yeah I mean listen all these tires will have a do T stamp on them which shows there's some internal codes for the manufacturer but there's not this shows the plant and the date of manufacture that it was made so it's it's good to look at that date the last four numbers of that date or all of that code is a date it's a it'll it'll say it'll say maybe 2016 which means it was made on the 20th week of 2016 those are some things you can look for excellent great advice and a good way to save money especially on maybe an older car that you're not sure if you're gonna be driving that many miles on it that's real good advice speaking of Kia and speaking of the meteoric rise of of one particular vehicle from Kia Farook asks at first he says love the show keep the hip up the good work as we all stay home through these difficult times I will be in the market for a three row SUV soon and all signs point to the kia telluride being the best option but telluride inventory is slim i recently contacted a dealer to get pricing on the e.x telluride and was quoted a price $4,000 over MSRP that manufacturer's suggested retail price so it suggested the dealer can starts whatever they want at that price a Toyota Highlander is within reach this seems like price gouging to me is there anything to be done in the situation is that a question to her any one of us yeah yeah I mean so I didn't a little I did a little bit of research into into dealer inventory and it looks like the telluride and its its twin the hyundai palisade which is a very very similar vehicle although the Palisades built in Korea the telly rides builds in Georgia that there actually is some inventory of these vehicles it was slim before the pandemic people wanted the car then there were some early issues because there was a factory supplier near of the epicenter of the first outbreak in Wuhan that that created some of the important parts for these vehicles regardless of where they were built so they were some of the the first cars to have a slowdown of production and now the cards that are on dealers are basically the cars that are that are there but there are some out there you may have to search a little further to a dealer that isn't very isn't very close by but $4,000 over MSRP is so so even before coronavirus I mean they were reports of many dealers charging extra for the teller ride so this whole ride was just that out of the gate big hit so I think you're looking at it the right way you know if now the cost of the vehicle is higher certainly look at other dealerships maybe that you could find the right but if the vehicles higher then look at some other options and the highlander you know i mean quite honestly when driving the highlander it's not I mean look I prefer that to a teller ride for a bunch of different reasons too but I mean the highlander does have a lot going for it especially if you're a type of person who is looking to keep this car a long time if you're gonna keep a car to 200,000 miles yeah my money would probably be with the highlander over the teller i tilted quite honestly yeah ryan you I saw you give a thumbs up when he said Telluride we love this car yeah it's a it's a fantastic car we're actually using it for tire testing this year for the test crossovers sized tires and the we were very pleased that we got to use that vehicle it's just a comfortable nice car it's impressive what they did with that vehicle and also weight I mean that's another piece of piece of advice if you don't need this car right away I have a feeling that Kia is going to build more of these I think early production sometimes cars are limited to how many they can they can make right off the bat and there and I'm sure they they they projected this car was gonna sell well but I don't think I mean this is this was a runaway hit so they're gonna catch up it happens with every card no one wants they want to sell these cards they don't want Kia doesn't want their dealers charging the four thousand dollar markup they want to sell ten times more cars so wait a little while and you might see these prices go down excellent well if you have any questions for us would love to see you so send send us a video question at talking cars at icloud.com the other questions were working our way through them and we hope to see you again real soon thanks for joining us and for talking cars with us you\n"