**A Conversation with a Career Cartoonist**

I had the opportunity to sit down and talk with a career cartoonist about his experience drawing with an iPad. I was curious to learn more about how he utilized the device's capabilities to create his artwork, especially considering that it is not typically associated with traditional drawing methods. As we began our conversation, I asked him if he had any favorite features of using the iPad for drawing, and he mentioned that one of the biggest things he took away was that you could share what you were saying without needing a pencil or physical sketchbook.

He explained that his regular method of creating comics is typically limited to a single subject or topic, but with the iPad, he found himself free to explore different ideas and concepts. The device's versatility allowed him to create a series of pictures and commentary, which was exciting for him as an artist. He also mentioned that his answer was that if there was one thing about drawing with physical sketchbooks that he liked to see come to the iPad, it was durability – meaning he wanted to be able to draw without worrying about damaging the device.

The conversation was enlightening, and I found it interesting that this artist's experience with the iPad was not as a replacement for traditional drawing methods, but rather as an extension of his creative process. He had been using the iPad for about a year now, and during that time, he had discovered its unique capabilities and limitations.

I asked him how long he had been drawing with the iPad, and he shared that he's been doing it for about a year, particularly after using the latest version of the iPad Pro. It was clear that this experience had allowed him to explore new ideas and techniques, which is exciting for any artist.

**Watch Time Podcast**

In addition to my conversation with the career cartoonist, I also had the opportunity to discuss some other Apple-related topics with Matt Burchler from Bert Street, who does watch OS concepts every year. His work is impressive, and it was great to hear his thoughts on how certain features could be designed and implemented.

One of the exciting aspects of this conversation was that he shared his concept for an always-on display feature, which was one of the items he wanted to see in a future Apple Watch update. While it wasn't exactly what we got, the concept was still impressive, and it's clear that Matt's experience with watch OS has given him valuable insights into how features can be implemented.

Matt also shared his thoughts on what goes into creating these concepts, including how he comes up with ideas and how they are refined over time. His process is fascinating, and I appreciated the opportunity to learn more about how Apple Watch concepts come to life.

**Upcoming Podcast Episodes**

In other news, this week's episode of Happy Hour was a little different from usual. While we typically discuss various topics related to technology and gadgets, our conversation took a bit of an unexpected turn when Matt shared some rumors about the upcoming watch OS 6 release. Specifically, he mentioned that there might be an app called "Medicine Pills" that would remind users to take their medication on schedule.

While this feature seems like something we've heard before, I'm intrigued by its potential and can only wonder if it will actually make it into the next update. Matt's conversation about watch OS was a welcome change of pace from our usual topics, and I appreciate his insight into what might be in store for Apple Watch users.

**Personal Update**

Finally, I wanted to share with you all that this week has been a bit challenging for me. With the arrival of spring comes the inevitable onset of allergy season, which means I've had to deal with some unpleasant symptoms. Despite my best efforts to stay healthy and active, it seems like I'll be stuck indoors for a while longer.

I was also reminded that I forgot to wear my Apple Watch on several occasions this week – a stark reminder that even the smallest mistakes can have significant consequences when it comes to tracking our health and fitness goals. I hope that by the next episode, things will return to normal, and we'll be back to discussing all the latest and greatest in tech gadgets.

**Rumors about Watch OS 6**

As mentioned earlier, Matt Burchler also shared some rumors about watch OS 6 during our conversation. While nothing has been officially confirmed, it's clear that Apple is working on new features and updates for their popular smartwatch. Some fans are speculating about what might be included in the next update, including potential health-related features.

While we can't say for sure what will make it into watch OS 6, Matt's conversation was enlightening nonetheless. As someone who has experience with watch OS development, he offered some valuable insights into how features are designed and implemented. We'll just have to wait and see what Apple has in store for us.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enI watched the Apple news election debate thing last week Mayo just just to see what it was like and this is one of those funny things where in 20 or 2008 2007 I watched every debate every time one air now like a notebook with all the dates before I had digital do like a calendar with and but but this time is different and and so this is the first one that I've made sure to watch and it was because it was the Apple news presidential Democratic primary presidential debate and I was Carrie sits like what was the Apple news representation gonna be like and I tweeted about a bit of this stuff as it was going on but it was like you got like an Apple news logo in the corner every few minutes and there was one section where there was an apple and a question from Apple news I think and then there was an ad then they didn't add after every on every commercial break that was for News Plus not for Apple News and it wasn't even like really really good it was kind of bad like of yeah you like tweeted the ad or whatever and it's the most lazy add I think app was released in early July it's basically a PowerPoint presentation of just some like text flying across the screen there's no you know there's barely any like actual video of anything it was just like a recording of the screen and then some text flying about yeah and they they they've done a really good Apple News ad I think even for News Plus because it was a news Plus ad for this subscription part but that I think that adds like three minutes long and they didn't cut it down or anything they just did a whole new thing that was meant to be like no guess easy but maybe poppy but it wasn't great it was kind of just like that's really kind of lazy doesn't sell it very well but anyway like the for the debate stuff what I found to be the most impactful part of all of this is that you you could view it in the Apple news app when you you would launch the story and it was like a video player above an article and that's how it was streamed from from ABC in the Apple news app but the best way to view it was not in the Apple news app if you're doing it from Apple because you can do it like from from ABC's app or from YouTube even but if you go to Apple's TV app then there were big tiles for it too as it was happening and then you had a full-screen view without an article below it or you could do picture and picture that you couldn't do I think from from the news app because of the player was was made so that was interesting goes like even though as the Apple News debate and in some way it was best in the TV app of course it's it's it's it's a nice battle between how easy something is to use between the news app of the TV mm-hm battle going on there of mediocre you eyes yeah this is a bit like music and TV what is this video and everything and uh-huh but anyway like like life is something the TV app doesn't do very well right like if you got in the Apple TV their current solution for like watching live channels is to just speak to Syria about it it's like you hold down the microphone button and you say watch and then you say name in the channel and they've got like 30 supported channels and but you're supposed to remember all the channels that top your head and you just say watch and so the channel and it launches the app with the channel running which is a cool feature to have but you really need to be backed up by like a a live program it was like it's like it's like home kit before there was a live tab and then that would be the obvious place where you could put a banner for election coverage or where all the stuff I was going to do we've already seen them I think they're gonna do a lot more live stuff in the next few years later Zane Lowe was talking about doing a lot of live content for Apple music and we already saw them do the they streamed the Billy Irish like show and Steve Jobs theater in the last year and again that was kind of like Bowie and Apple music kind of it was on the featured tab but it'd be a lot better if they just had like a dedicated one-stop shop for live content in the TV app and then they could just direct everyone there yeah now they really rely on those tiles but so it did that from the Apple TV and it was just kind of neat to see like how is this going you know the person they're doing this and they'll be more believe this election cycle the other thing is new Oscar will actually related is that Siri now has a special integration with Apple news in the US where Apple News has already had this election hub for 2020 and now if you ask the right question in the right way at the right time you can get election and from Siri which you could make a lot of jokes about that we were trying this out before the show you're in the UK I'm in the u.s. it worked for me depending on what I asked some some of the time and when it works it's a nice integration where you get the answer verbally and you get a nice visual from Apple news in front of you and you can tap that to see more but also I would ask some of the questions that were promoted in this story that worked in this story and they didn't work you know or they would work sometimes so it's cut it's it's Siri you know what are you gonna do I guess yeah like some there are some domains where series like natural language parsing is quite flexible hmm but this definitely didn't seem like one this seemed almost you know rigidly you have to answer the exact questions in the exact syntax or is just gonna you know send you to the web and in the UK you didn't get any of it at all because for whatever reason they like sidle off all the election coverage for the u.s. to only the US market which is kind of sad because I think we mention this last week but I'd love to better go in the news app and actually look at their you know custom election biographies and who's winning and all the data charts like just because I'm not in the US is still interesting to look at sometimes yeah that's one of the questions in the initial coverage is it's a kind of nice like who's winning the New Hampshire primaries and so I guess you're supposed to ask that like in the moment as it's happening like on election day or voting day in that primary or in that state some of the ones that work for me who is winning you got you got at that point you got the answer where or when is the Mississippi primary I found for myself March 10 2020 that was those neat when is the next primary Nevada Democratic caucuses are on Saturday February 22nd so that's the next one who was winning the primary then they give you an answer so it's it's neat that'll be cool - yeah you get like a formatted table when it was it's just the classic problem of you need to know the exact code phrase do we actually better see it yeah and it is not so loose that it's like who's running for president and they're all gonna be part of this it'll be web results for a whole bunch of stuff but it's it's a neat little thing that they're doing you know and it's a good attempt at size Bowie Bowie implementation yes it's and it largely relies on vegetables so I dunno there's a big component for it for anything that doesn't have a screen on it with the home pod it's some other stuff going on so this week there's a store that you covered where it seems like maybe you're gonna be able to opt out of some emails soon from Apple if you get subscriptions and and you get spam with those receipts that you can but did it work yet well it seems to work for some people and others okay so so the subscription page in the in the iPhone is based like a web view yeah they they didn't have this for a long time and then last year they added like a more direct link to it so you go settings then you click your little face at the top for the Apple ID account and then you click subscriptions and then it brings up this panel where it shows you your I to the descriptions your expired subscriptions and you can cancel or change plan from from that screen but that whole like interface is just like a web view in a wrapper yeah and it was really clunky not so long ago they've they've chewed up some the animation stuff more recently so it looks slightly more native but you can still tell if you try on so it's meant to look like it's it's the Settings app but it's not me it's not loading native it's like loading of the Internet yeah and it's like rendering like an actual website is designed to fake look like this it definitely could be impermeable but anyway that what we found this week is they added a new toggle at the top for receive renewal receipts and it's defaulted to on which is the behavior that you've had all this time so if you have a monthly subscription when Apple bills your payment method it sends you an email saying let's just say Apple arcade is charging your $4.99 this month and then the next month you get another email saying Apple arcade is charged only $4.99 and you can times that email by having this active subscription you've got going through the in-app purchase system and it can get quite annoying right like if you have five subscriptions on a monthly basis that's five emails you get like one per week average and then you get every single month forever now there are some people who definitely like getting the emails because they like being reminded about exactly what their Spang you know exactly what they're spending what they've signed up for where they they can act as a prompt to cam so if you don't use the service anymore and so the setting is still devoted to on which is fine because that's how it's always worked but if you do fine being as annoying you can go in and you can switch it off for me the toggle just doesn't work yeah I don't know if it's because I'm on a Bay or it just hasn't rolled out properly yet but it's Devon you ever some people but for me I just like click the little green toggle and it just doesn't do anything so it's it it's a bit weird yeah I like the idea of this you get that stuff you can now turn it off yeah I like the idea of this but I think that what I like the most is when you can do it in your plans especially when there's an incentive in the form of a discount because then not only are you not having to keep up with them of the charge just an annual charge but also I do want the receipt and so that fixes the spam problem versus this toggle but like my thinking on this was like you know I could see developers asking for this as they move to subscription models in the App Store more and more that each receipt is like a reminder that you're paying still and it's like an opportunity to stop paying if you want you know it can be that way and so even though it's the default so on that just giving customers the ability to turn those off helps customers on what they want and then developers in that bed turned situation so yeah I mean there's definitely a yeah I like conspiracy theory or whatever way you know Apple would like you to turn this off because then more people like to forget that they're paying this stuff and and that the churn rate definitely goes down if you're not getting notified every month that you're actually paying for something but I think it's fine it's an option you can it on by default it be more slimy if it was off and yet it's like the new default right and so and if you do turn it off you can still go and find your receipts if you go dig in the settings there's like a page we just shows you every time apples busy for something you can actually go and find it if you really want to yeah and kind of joining two stories together here there were a couple of like funny little things that happened in the kind of Apple cultural world one thing was that the Oscars the there was the winner who's the screenwriter for Jojo rabbit Taiki were TT he in the press conference after he'd won he made some joke basically they were like asking about what the writers guild union should do which represents the screenwriters for film for films in America and he clearly didn't want to like actually answer the question about what should the Union do so he came up with like this half joking on-the-spot complaint that they should get him they should campaign him to fix the Apple keyboards and complaining about like low travel and they're hard to Ryan and there was a funny moment where he like tried to play to the rumors like who here uses a PC and then like one person put the hand up which is quite funny you know what I'm talking about because obviously most PC keyboards do not have the really low travel that the butterfly keyboards have had and clearly he wasn't referring to the six teams from Everett Pro maybe he just doesn't try to hear he doesn't know about it whatever I'm sure Apple PR fired up with him because he's actually developing a TV Plus series at the moment oh great yeah he's it's like a sci-fi series called Time Bandits which I don't think is gone into like they're not filming it yeah it's just in quite great development so there's that thing which was like some funny you know bad PR about the keyboards and then also this week there was a bad PR because France issued a twenty seven million dollar fine because of the iPhone performance battery thawing the staff that happened across 2017-2018 and obviously that resulted in the battery replacement program with the discount race and Apple said at the end of 2018 that it put aside money for legal cases because he expected that some regions would take him to court over and stuff oh yeah and one of the outcomes is this friend is this France fine now twenty seven million dollars is gonna break the bank but what's also slightly more annoying for Apple as a company is they've been forced to write this message on their website so if you go to apple.com /fr slash iPhone so the French iPhone page there's this pretty big banner at the very very top which basically says that Apple has been has agreed to this fine because they committed the offense of deceptive commercial practice by omission basically saying they did not adequately tell users that they were bringing in the performance throttling system in ten point two point one because if you remember this is a story that's quite a long time ago I never when ten-point tippet when originally came in the release notes base he didn't mention at all and then like a week later they added like a small mention to it of like the the iOS system went out optimized to help reduce unexpected shutdowns but then it wasn't to the end of the year where people actually realized the full consequences of what was going on there the extreme throttling that would happen I was like much a degraded on the weather's where they showed up if he were already upgraded yeah exactly so there was a big load of like term on out of that and this is better than the France fire I think is actually quite intelligent because it's specifically about not disclosing the system to users so it wasn't give them you know adequate information and Apple agree to the fine and it's a twenty seven million dollar five but it's a rather awkward thing they've to put on the website like a month yeah it looks like if you took the fine print from the bottom of every web page in the internet and you shove it at the top yeah it's like they've had to like force terms and conditions to the top of the pages every not what you'd prefer to have happen but they agree to it I guess and and if you kind of take both these stories together it's just like a good example of things of like controversies that happen in like our text fear like actually have long-term repercussions in the real world right like yes the keyboard is quote unquote fixed now for the 16-bit pro but it's not on the rest of the lineup and even if it did come to the rest of the lineup you'd still have people like what CT and others still having the reputation of the keyboards being bad in their headspace you know even if it doesn't play out written really any more foot for years to come and the same thing with the iPhone performance sorting situation that thing has just refueled everyone's conspiracy theories that Apple slows down older iPhones on purpose because when you dig into the details obviously it's not true and it's you know much more complicated intricate reasoning behind it but at the high level you know Apple is slowing down your phone and so those myths those ideas they just swirl around and they and it shows that you know when you're the biggest company in the world and you do have blunders they do have you know long-term repercussions yep yep and and from what I can tell professionals use older hardware for a long long time you know yeah remember last year especially they had the behind the mac videos and they would always show like the old map of pros not with glowing logos and stuff not not the new generation that's a all right this week Apple released a brand new app for the Mac called Swift playgrounds and but it's not Britney Mac in general from Apple because it comes from the iPad a few years ago 2016 what a playground for the Mac and why does it matter yeah so sweet play against the Mac is basically a catalyst port of the iPad app that's been around since since introduced because they what they they've always had the concept of playgrounds but they've had playgrounds on as part of Xcode on the Mac and they've had Swift playgrounds for the iPad and is playground so I'm a developer you're a developer is that that you you write code on the left side and you can you can run it on the right side and like see it play out yes or a yeah but yeah there are there are other ways to do that as well like from like a command-line interface and stuff but a high level it's if you can remember the original demo that Krishna ended in like 2015 who doesn't yeah you type code on the left and you can preview it on the right okay and that was like Xcode playground and then what they did was Swift playgrounds is take that interface to the iPad but also add in integrated tutorials although so as well as just having like you can start a blank project and type whatever you want but you also get like follow along instructions and that's that's what they uses the curriculum for like learning to code when they take them to schools and stuff yes everyone can code the curriculum for that is yeah exactly so you can do let the first book is like a very basic move forward move left like functions and you type them in and you can see a little like animated character move around this map and it slowly builds up programming concepts over time and then you if you want to you can stop using the kind of playground books which I like the tutorials and just go and make your own scripts and you know mess around and the the books were not on the Mac before you could only view them on the iPad app so playgrounds on the Mac were just like you're on your own really like the tutorials basically didn't exist on the map before so you had all of this curriculum that was exclusive to the iPad and Swift I guess for the iPad it's fine but you know you generally want to do a lot of typing and yes you can get a keyboard attachment for the iPads and stuff but it's night it'd be nice if you could do it on a laptop where you have more room real estate for both because obviously you're gonna have to have two two panes open of your code and the previewing stuff and if you have the books you then have this like third bit which is like chapters and pages of the book right so if you can have more space and you can have a nicer keyboard it'll be beneficial and so out of the blue this week Apple put Swift playgrounds on the Mac and it definitely helps bring parity to the curriculum so if you are in a school that does have max instead of you know iPad distributions you can still use the everyone can code curriculum now because you can open all of those books through the East shift against a Mac application instead it's it's probably apples like most ambitious catalyst app that they've released so far but I wouldn't really say it's like a step change in terms of catalyst quality right like if you if you actually launch it you can very quickly like get a feel for it's basically an iPad out with a sidebar right which is what we see on so many of these Mac catalyst ports you have this very I patty canvas you have iPad like pop-ups and controls and editing and then you have a sidebar which kind of makes it look like a Mak up but underneath it's basically the iPad app and it's definitely more richer than what you'd get with like home or voice memos because just like script play against wright-patt is quite ambitious like it holds like a whole compiler and code editor and has to run the code build the code and you can and the previews on the right don't after just be like result values in fact the first tutorial book they go through is literally it renders a full 3d environment on the right and you just type in commands to move the character around you'd actually like build up the full 3d world you just build the you just tell the thing how to move in it like steps you through it and if you go too far it tells you to change and work around so there's like this whole it's definitely like the most biggest catalyst app from Apple mmm right but it still represents the same problems of catalyst or the same downsides of catalyst that you can expect from everything else is it's the iPad app loosely ported to the Mac and what's kind of interesting is because it is that way not all playground books that you can make on the iPad will run on the mac app which is kind of a shame because you have you have like on on playgrounds for iPad you can do anything with foundation in UIKit right and you can bring those frameworks to the Mac through canvas cuz you are kids basically a catalyst wrapper right and those will work fine but there are some things there are some like frameworks on the IO on iOS that are not available in the catalyst environment one of them that's kind of obvious is like of many reality stuff right because the Mac doesn't have cameras it doesn't have rear cameras so you can't really do augmented reality features which is fair enough right because it's like a hardware limitation so if you try and if you if you made and and this isn't just like some hypothetical scenario on the on the iPad curriculum they do loads of stuff where they are like Apple has loads of like a our demos through sort of playgrounds and stuff they want you to play around and put scenes in the environment because it's fun and interactive especially for you know kids in in a classroom but that stuff just won't run on on the Mac at all and then if you go more in the weeds than you were trying to do like programming staff especially to do with like graphics like lower level graphics frameworks a lot of that stuff just isn't offered in catalyst and it's just kind of kind of bad news like so yes they have brought the app to the Mac but it's not like a one to one situation they're still you still have edge cases and like the AR example where the canonical version is still the iPad app yes it's that there it's it's better because it's available more places now and so on the Mac people will be able to use it that might not have been able to otherwise but then there's still gonna be spots where it's like why doesn't this work the right way and if you want the best version it still the iPad version and yeah yeah and there's another contours it's because it's running in the catalyst environment you don't have access to app kit you only have UI kit so you get your coding in the max with playgrounds app right but you can actually make mac UI yeah you can make iOS UI it's okay if you if you want to make like a you know a window with controls in it that look like a Mac you can't do it you're making iOS screens because what you have access to in the catalyst environment is just do UI kit frameworks so it's it kind of awkward because of the way they've ported it like if they'd had done it if they'd have made like a native Swift playgrounds app you definitely be able to do like stuff with apke instead because there's there's some idea that like Xcode on the Mac is quite alienating to a lot of people and it's hard to get into right and so having a simpler like code editing environment where you have tutorials is cool but it's just another thing where it's like Apple doesn't care about Mac development because what they bring him to the I or they would bring to the Mac is a swift playgrounds introduction to coding app they can't actually do any native Mac stuff at all yeah see what I mean yeah I do see what you mean yeah that's frustrating it's like and then is you with the rewind or back to like the whole catalyst or marzipan yeah marzipan conversation where it's like you know if you make a mac app from scratch it will definitely be better than if it were a port from the ipad but would they ever make the mac out from scratch in this case man probably not so but it's I think one places will be used is if you're in a classroom yeah like the the the Apple student deployments what they generally do is they give an iPad for every student and then the teacher has an iPad and a Mac yeah so you can see the teacher running through the demo connected to a Mac which is connected a big ascend display because they can also then like you know the multi-window environment of the Mac is way more capable than the iPad can do when you connect it to like a projector and stuff right because you have the Swift playgrounds full screen on the big screen and then you could have the rest of your like curriculum notes your lesson plan all of that stuff on the like the local Mac screen so that's definitely somewhere it probably is gonna be used and that's probably the motivation for them doing it at all but it's not like the perfect solution for his because the it's hard you know cuz obviously didn't exist before at all but it does kind of fall short of like the perfect vision of what they could do for like an introductory here's out to learn to code on the Mac mmm-hmm and and as far as catalyst is concerned this this app could get better in a lot of different ways some things will never be solved because it's they're not is things that are not on the Mac and don't make consuming the Mac but as catalyst improves this app could also improve so could apples other catalyst apps but is there is there an iPad app that you think you so you sort of push back on the notion that this shows that any app on on you've any sort of power level can be a Mac app and and and with catalyst but is and but is there an app that you think that would be a good example of that I mean I guess what I'm saying with playgrounds is there is a you know is a pretty rich application but it's a rich application on the iPad that's also rich on the Mac right like it's and if Swift playgrounds was designed natively on the Mac like as a native app hit experience it would look way different and it would behave way differently there's there's you don't have to cook you can click like one button in the app and you can immediately see like this is from an iOS world and that's just the reality of catalyst right so you're always going to have that bar if you're thinking of stuff that like I think a translate really well one example is the like the weather app right so look like I maybe I'm at least with the current state of what catalyst can offer I think the best experiences that can translate to the Mac are simple applications so if you had weather on the iPhone and they made a iPad version of it which by the way they have cool you either they could do on the iPad because if you go to the Apple TV and you are see which show the weather they have like full screen intensity by nine presentations of weather with the animations with graphs you didn't get in the iPhone version if they measured out in the iPad and then they use catalyst to bring that to the Mac actually think that would work really well because you could have you know a sidebar for your different cities and you could have toolbars which would be like shortcuts different actions but at the end of the day the cool UI is gonna be shared across all three and it would just be like a waste of resources to make a you know a native Mac weather and so you could and so today we haven't seen them do weather for the iPad at all but if they have the incentive of all they can make with the iPad and they also deliver weather to Mac at the same time then maybe that be away from to do mmm Apple hasn't said this but isn't there mark reporting that eventually this it's iPhone iPad Mac or is that yes it will yes report if pre them announcing any of this stuff right was the in the first year it would be focused on porting iPad apps to the Mac and then in the second year they would let you put I phone apps as well that gets into the weeds a bit cuz like what's the difference between an iPad or an iPhone that really like because you can make an iPad app look like an iPhone app right like you just give it if you taken if you take an iPad app and you put it in a side the split view on the iPad it will look like an iPhone app so really tall area yes so the current Calais conversion definitely prefer you to have like a iPad sized window like four by three window on the Mac screen and you can kind of force it if you really want to to look more like a portrait phone screen but you could definitely see Apple like providing proper tooling to make that thing and then you could maybe do the calculator through catalyst or something like that hmm and so that was what Mark said would happen in the second year and then in the third year they would homogenized the API so much that you wouldn't have to have and this is this is quite technical but at the moment if you make something for the if you make an iPad app and you take you to the Mac there are different in the code they're incompatible so you can't just like like say so you're adding a toolbar to the to the Mac version you have to write out a bunch of code and then you have to basically like conditionally include it only for the Mac version because it won't even build if you try and make it run on the iPad mm-hmm and so there's like a load of like you have to make necessary separate files but you have to make like if statements and blocks that are kind of a pain and it it basically means that when you make the final app you have one compiled binary which is your iPad app and you have one compiled binary which is the Mac App because they can't directly you can't run the iPad binary directly on the Mac like it has to be kind of like retranslated if that makes sense and so marks reports that that by the third year Apple would have got all of their ducks in a row so that all of the API has worked in both places so you wouldn't have to do the thing where you may seem up producing multiple targets is like the technical word for it you could list you just have one target which is your entire code base and it can run across all platforms and so in the case of like the toolbar maybe that would be exported to the iPad in some way or maybe it'd just be hidden on the iPad and it would only show on the Mac but right now you have to make like slight variations to application to even build it right so when you with the the code that you submit to the Mac App Store for catalyst is different to the iPad version even if you're including like you can't include your alterations to make it more Mac like in your iPad version if they don't do anything at the moment it just won't let you do it so you have to do these kind of like hacky workaround so like exclude blocks of code that don't apply in certain places and so Matt marks timeline which Apple didn't confirm obviously but he got the year one node was that by year three you'd only have one binary with it were together I've actually seen that confused in the last week with the stuff they announced last week which was the unified purchasing stuff right mm-hmm so last week we talked about them allowing you to be added by an app on the phone and then it will mattli pairing that with the Mac version and Allen that as well that is technically different to the so unified purchasing is different to unified binaries because the unified purchase is basically we've seen you bought the iPhone version so we'll let you download the Mac version as well whereas the binary would be like the underlying code that developer wrote is identical when you download it to the iPad when you download to the Mac and so they haven't accelerated the timeline or accelerated the rumour timeline it's something they could have done all along and now I decided to do it in you know March 2020 mm-hmm all right that's quite technical but yeah yeah in their Edition things with catalyst that we've had just kind of sitting on the nose for a while like like things that we're sort of seen over the summer from Steve Stratton Smith like the fact that there seems to be a messages app semi built with catalyst from iPad to Mac that would bring missing features over the same thing for shortcuts but those weren't there yeah you know when you asked me earlier what would be a great thing for Apple support yeah geez like a great example like yeah my head like the messages for Mac experience is he's not very good they clearly don't have the delimit resources to one-to-one match all the features of the iOS version and so it likes behind you could say the same thing for the Maps app right the Maps app doesn't have a look around it doesn't have indoor maps on the Mac right and the iOS and iPad version have some of those features for years now but for whatever reason they don't have the development resources to recreate that all in native app kit code but those apps are not they're not they're not gonna need so many like panels and toolbars and inspectors and all this like Mac stuff to be good Mac apps mm-hmm a lot they can basically be single window experiences right with you know pop outs for end of four separate chats or whatever but a basic level you can see how they could translate them quite well especially like you take the Maps app like the maps over them at today is the map and then it's got a toolbar at the top you can see how they could move the maps out from the iPad to the Mac and just add a Mac toolbar at the top if they wanted to and their messages there are so many features of messages that just aren't available the map because of the dumb UI kit app kit incompatibility you've got the entire of the iMessage app store you've got all of the effects even if the one effect that is implemented on the Mac is invisible ink and it's terrible if you actually look at the quality of the invisible ink effect on the Mac it looks like a night windows 90-95 snow globe whereas on the eye on the Oh version it's a really nice particle effect and even stuff like that if they did a catalyst version of messages on the Mac all of that stuff would be aligned and you would get the best experience because the best experience for doing iMessage is not on your Mac today it's on your iphone in your ipad and catalyst offers them a way to bring that to the Mac without having to have an entire separate team that they clearly don't wanna dedicate resources towards otherwise thanks to our friends a small software for sponsoring happy hour unlock your productivity with text expander and manage everything that you type repetitively email addresses phone numbers message replies and so much more 10 the things you type into readable snippets and access them time and time again text expander works everywhere you type inside of word processors email messaging chat apps even like online forms in 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text expander comm slash podcast thanks to Texas Panda for sponsoring the show and maybe where is part of the thing is like at this time last year I guess that we were kind of close to the rumors well we knew a lot of what to expect but we we haven't heard anything really about this summer what we should see for WDC yet but that yeah we're basically in the dogs do yeah but that would that would be a cool one to to come to expect it is is yeah and it would be a bit discussion too it's like if the rumor was that messages gets replaced with with the iPad version on the Mac with catalyst then you you could see people episode about the legacy things that would go away but because you can still do like legacy I am shy messages right if you stop the account they've taken out so much stuff but you can still do expect and you can invite someone to share your screen or you can you can you can you can ask to share their screen or your screen and you know maybe they just they just do that that that'd be good on my pad anyway so maybe they they find a way to do that anyway um but they have taken out a bunch of this stuff otherwise that used to be there one a lot of time so there's not a lot anymore but it would that would that would that be a cold rumor we're not right there yet but yeah I mean 99% of paper would benefit from them port in the iPad version compared to the one percent of people that use screen sharing jarick would be a cool feature for them to offer on the iPad but they you know if they actually did it I'd be cool to have but they haven't done that yet and it wouldn't it really need to be a messages only like you wouldn't need to begin it from messages if it was part of iOS service part I pad OS it could be like a control center thing and then message is one of the ways that you can communicate I guess it would be a polite deed Apple ID but there's a lot of ways that they could fix that but yeah anything else on catalyst and then the Swift playgrounds app for the Mac yes yeah I mean it's good exists and it definitely helps them bring the curriculum to more environment yeah it was this kind of like some people had iPads other people had Macs and it was kind of stupid that you can only do it from one of them but I wouldn't call it like I think people have got a bit like caught up in themselves because they've seen the keyboard shortcuts the keyboard event stuff they've seen the date picker changes they've seen this you know quite capable catalyst app from Apple and it's like you know Apple is really listening like the core my core complaints are calloused I don't think I'm ever gonna be fixed like mmm I think that's just how callous Dizz right like in the in the longer term the better option here is for developers to make likes with UI apps with custom you know for each platform and they catalyst it's like and that's what's sad about it like it's never going to be the best experience I didn't I think they could do they could do an awful lot to make catalyst that's better and more enjoyable and especially like key events is a nice a nice is a nice step forward there but I didn't think it will ever reach the point where you like let me put this way I think forever I'll be able to tell what's a kind of stuff and what isn't like in a minute mm-hmm right I don't think you can make the way that the frame the system is just too constrained so he's always gonna feel like an iPad app running in like a window right like and I like pure native Mac experiences and what about something like the Apple podcasts happen much if you use that but that's one way well but I do use it how you use Apple podcast and every platform I can tell that podcast isn't native because you can like right-click on stuff and it doesn't work the way that you'd expect it to but podcasts is the closest to a native Mac App out of all of the catalyst apps that exists mainly because it cheats and uses a load of stuff that isn't available to like everyone hmm so for like a really dumb example for catalyst is the pixel scaling so all callused apps reduce the size of their canvas by 77% because like the default text size on iOS is like 16 pick points high and the default text size on the Mac is like 13 points right so Apple was like how should we sort this out should we like have it die mentally change fonts and now we'll just scale the entire window down by 77% and then it will basically look like the text size on the Mac without a developer having to like change the fonts on the affect on on the iPad so one one consequence of that is because it's not like an introduced ko it's like this weird 66% number if you take the the font looks slightly blurry it's basically like the the desktop modes you know the default desktop mode on the map a pro where it's using that scaled resolution mm-hmm it's like that but for the window of the application so if you look if you don't mean I could tell that immediately but if you really want to see it just drag the window to a non Retina display and all catalysts app look really blurry like the textures look terrible except for podcasts because in the podcast app they use private API to make it still be a hundred percent scale and they do other stuff like the same any controls like the widgets on the top right they like skin them to look like matte wedges but they don't behave exactly like matte widgets so if you if you if you examine hard enough you can tell they're not actually real but they look closer than anything else that was done at least hmm but yeah I can still tell so yeah and there's things that I can tell from the podcast app like just the way that a right-click it's gotten better but selecting like groups of items or secondary clicking is something because don't behave right away or even resizing the sidebar this may just be a bug but it doesn't save it I wanted to be narrow or always and it's always wider than it needs to be and then I change it and it moves back and there's just weird things that I think if it was like music that it wouldn't be this this weird I think even like in the early days like selecting all was was a was a thing you couldn't do in a big list and I think that the last thing I'll end on and using the app which I do use all the time is um if there's a list of like if I add a new show and they're all and I want to make them all listen to all play or unplayed and they're they span across multiple years then like command a won't do the trick you've got to shift-click the first and last within one year and then you can select those groups but not across multiple years and you certainly can't command a and then right-click so just a mother developer but I have to imagine there's a catalyst weirdness there going on that you don't see in any non catalyst apps yeah or just like that it's not like built-in like part of the app key experience is that so many of the behaviors are just like provided for you so if you have a list and you press the command a like app kit will automatically select everything right whereas iOS has not been built from that paradigm of having a keyboard like keyboard support was added later essentially and so all this creepy look and stuff is still very I mean as we talked about last week we literally only just got an API so you can know when the key is pushed down versus when it's pressed up right like it's we're still very like rudimentary levels and so all of the iOS controls don't have the or my behaviors like select no a developer has to like implement it manually which means most people don't bother so it doesn't happen mmm makes it I mm ik sense unless probably what's happening in there yeah yeah it's like podcast is fine but it's still way better if they actually made like a metaphor go Sam yeah it's so much better than for me because I've long been an apple podcast user for various reasons like the ability to stream over the internet on the Apple watch you know Siri integration before it was it was possible another ways and and then and then having a Mac app as part of iTunes and notice when it was part of iTunes it was pretty rough even yeah the iTunes expose was garbage so yeah it's way better than that it's way better than that such a load bar yeah that's the problem like yes it's good that it's better than what we had before but it still feels like they could do you know Apple as a company could do better if they cared enough right what you don't see is the opposite thing happening where app was making a framework where you can easily put on Mac up to the iPhone because yeah it'll be really bad and apples core product is at is iOS so you get the the translation the the porting spirits in the other direction and you know just makes me a little sad that that's what's happening but every one bit like the obvious counter-argument is would you rather it be a calloused Apple would you rather it be like electron or some web app in a and I guess I pick catalyst over that stuff yeah it's a hierarchy right like yeah it's like there's like four different versions of me do good night yeah slack is weird Skype is weird there's lots of weird bad ways to do apps I like to think so I think so the third party catalyst app that I use the most having my dock is Twitter so I use TweetDeck to have a streaming time line of tweets on the Mac but for a lot of other stuff I use the Twitter app and like the skinny column view and I just open it up and I need it and close it when I don't need it but the only like I would maybe look at using it instead of TweetDeck chemica used to in the in the days before Tweetbot and apps like that were harmed by twitter too limiting their api and not allowing streaming anymore if it liked your timeline to automatically refresh the sender's new tweets appear but if if Twitter put streaming pinned to top streaming where the tweet is sent and it appears in your timeline without having to refresh even run an interval then I would be pretty happy with that because that's my only complaint with the Twitter catalyst type format not the fact that it's a catalyst app and and they've slowly added things like touch bar support and then better touch bar support it was really weak at first wooden they made it a little bit better I'm happy with it like I've and I think it's it's better than the web for sure it's more capable than tweet deck in terms of just like sending tweets and and nici it was better than the old Twitter fam a cap yeah yeah but well because it's got features that that never came to the old 24 Mac app yeah but that's like so it's complicated stuff it's complicated but it's like you know I've used Twitter I've used the catalyst fed into it for Mac and my opinion is that the old Twitter that was better hmm apart from obviously the fact that and that's the thing all this time that isn't it's like yeah the old experience is better because it was Navy now some in the twit didn't update it with stuff like polling and group charge you could ask how about you dream stuff you can also have a bad not catalyst back up like the last Twitter for Mac app remember the one that was updated but it was just really bad before it got some work on it but like it was just kind of janky like yeah I mean that's the problem like all these situations you're basically arguing for like but those analyst web app that's basically your options in mostly third-party like and with the third PI apps I can excuse it more because yeah for me it's a cool like Apple the company I feel that they should be offering top tier experiences on their own apps yeah they don't and could be fair they have bad iOS apps as well like the TV apps bad on iOS you know it's not a port of anything they just made it bad so like that's that's where I come down it's just kind of disappointing that we're kind of resigned to the cat has experienced now for so many of like Apple's Mac applications yeah all right let's talk about a few more things this week before we head off the first thing is a new augmented reality feature this is related to quick look and shopping what did the details here yeah so this is something that actually was been available since I think this is November or December but they face Apple came out this week saying that all these different websites for Home Depot had adopted ear and Wayfarer Home Depot right yeah those companies yeah but basically so you know the AR QuickLook thing and you can do it with all that well it word is Arabic look that is sort of augmented reality and it's the thing where you there's a product that you have and you can tap a button that represents this is a special AR experience and then you go into this view where the product is right in front of you and you can interact you can spin it around you can zoom it in and out but you see it as if it's like in your environment through your phone yeah and it's approximately sized to the be the size that would be in real life yeah the most practical use of this that I've had is like it's fun to play with Apple products because they obviously do this so you've got the Apple watch and it's like you can make a really huge one and make a joke out of it with the Mac Pro and be like hey I've got this ten thousand dollar computer right here but when I was looking at the peloton tread it spits big and I use it uses this quick look feature and so I would use that to put it in the room that I was gonna put the treadmill in and at first I thought this is can't be right because it's just huge but it actually was a really big treadmill and for its he accurate it wasn't a hundred percent right but I think it was like within like five percent from my eye of accuracy yeah and all these shopping websites have adopted these AR object stuff they will report like they have more conversions when people use the arrow features so the shopping website seems to love it it's just a matter of time for them to convert all that products actually have the USD C files and everything what this a new feature helps do is actually increase the conversions even further because in the panel where you see the preview in the real word the AR screen right currently it's just basically your full screen a our environment and then you press close and you go back to the website well what they're adding now is the the section at the bottom the screen is basically like a customizable banner where the website can put wherever it wants in there so it can put like more details about the item or it can put like an immediate buy button or an Apple pay button all of that stuff can just be put directly on the product so you can put the product in your house frame it up oh yeah where you want to buy that and then burst press buy and melee from there so it's removing a lot of friction where you have for like queer a vir experience to then go and you know continue with a normal website yeah that's cool and one of the examples that they show with Home Depot for example is if they've got a washer and dryer and they they show the new one in the in the environment where they're gonna put it and they have it sized the right way they're like this this will work and they even go as far as so I guess is just the integration and the whole stack of like apples difference features and services because they also show like talking to a Home Depot representative like you're shopping over iMessage like you make a cool business chance yeah yeah business chat and like it's you using the familiar apps but you're using in a different way than just like going out on the web and shopping it's pretty neat yeah it's cool and this is this is probably the I mean they kind of demo shopping a lot as like an AR experience that everyone will use and I'm like mainstream ways and I think that's true for myself too but not because there's so many competing ways that your honor yet for me this is how a our usage is probably low but of a our usage the AR QuickLook shopping stuff is probably quite a big proportion of it yeah because you're just you know scrolling your normal website and then you see a preview and you're in homebuyer and you just tap that and it just shows it to you like it's a nice atom I actually have some utility because you can see the physical size of the thing yep and this end is right in the name quick look it isn't like um and they are a game where you're holding up your iPad for a long time to play and you've got to you know look to the screen as the portal it's quick look you look at it you sizes up real quick you know you've got the idea then you're done you know it's just to see not to interact with it really so yeah it's a cool feature so that make sense that they're building onto that and and now you can enhance that so I'll be looking for this in the wild and Nueces to spend money I guess but it's neat um what's going on with iPhone rumors and everything this week lists there's a few stories going around well yeah by singing in digit times and things there's a there was another report that said the iPhone se to be 399 uh we've talked about that like several times now that they're basically copying the original iPhone se to strategy because that was 399 when it came out in 2016 and then it the price eventually went down a bit but it started at 399 so we're kind of looking forward to that and everyone keeps saying it's coming in the spring so maybe there'll be a March event maybe they'll just do on the website obviously the coroner virus staff is very common at 11:00 in the news Apple has been closing stores they've been reopening some and then behind the scenes on the rumor mill site everyone's loving talk about the chrome devices and the impact of the supply chain about how Apple has had to stop sending some of its engineers because know during that story when it it was like United Airlines was sending 50 I can employees a day to China mm-hmm what Panny apples like pause that staff and that has consequences on product development although digitize report says that whilst the final like hardware verification and validation steps for the iPhone 12 might be pushed back yeah it probably won't be so dire that Apple won't have to like delay the phone coming out it might just be in little quantities or some models will be in like November time which is not out of the ordinary because they did the iPhone 10 November they did the iPhone 10 are in the last week or Toba so yes clearly Apple like aims to try and get with their phones out in September but we've seen you know slippage is before to a couple months later and it seems like that might be what we're going to have this year Apple is expected to do for iPhone models this year and given the setbacks from the current of iris stuff and all the factories not being you know operational when the engineering not being sitting out there we might see that some of those models don't all come out at the same time or they might be like limited supply for a while something like that but at a high level it's not like the iPhone twelves gonna be delayed between two any potentially what worse is pretty reasonable you know if we if we needed to go a year without a new iPhone if that was what we had to do that'd be all right yeah of course frapp was financials is it'd be very bad yes and like you can see a high level that I'm sure smaller companies get really affected by this kind of stuff obviously Apple has problems with production because if the factories are making the things then they can't sell them but in terms of you know Prada development I'm sure Apple has enough money that they can pay to make these problems go away right they can set up isolated factories and isolated development they can pay the Foxconn employees to come to the US for a time you know I mean like yeah these complications but I'm sure Apple has enough resources that they don't have to resort to just like delaying the iPhone 12 power so they'll have mitigations they can they probably have to spend more money than they would in a normal year but I'm sure they can make it happen and then the other digit time story rolled in the mix here was about the a14 chip and apparently Apple has ordered about 50% more a14 chips than the a13 which is quite a lot more but Apple is also making four phones this year and we expect there's gonna be a fourteen iPads as well and later in the year which we didn't get last year right there's no iPad update last year so it's less of an indicator now the of on quantity then then it would have been in previous years yeah I think so I mean obviously still it still will imply some upside because 50% is quite a lot on you know Apple sells way more iPhones and iPads so you wouldn't expend that to dominate if you see what I means then I think it does a imply some like aggressive nurses to Apple things that like 5g and the upgrades this year gonna be quite compelling it's going to cause a big cycle of demand what you suggest for taking account is that the iPhone 11 so better than Apple expect it anyway so even if they ordered less initially they have to actually up their orders later on right so the 50% order isn't 50% of all the view orders that Apple has done so far down the same period last in last year right so if you take the 50% and they have to increase their orders by 15% then you're ready down to 30% then you add in 10% for the iPads then you like slightly up and so it just it suggests that Apple is confident that the 5g cycle is gonna cause a lot of upgrades but it's not like as big as the headline number make sure you immediately believe okay anything else on the iPhone side this week I think that's about it like everyone keeps there's so many like se2 case leaks s yeah names like that's just a product that's like so close to coming out that we just kind of like waiting for an hour yeah it's not like a few years ago a year ago or whenever it was when it was like this maybe quote quote doesn't know about remember when it was like a woman from different analysts but minky quo you know reliable supply chain analyst was like he had to at least acknowledge it in one report was like it may come but I don't have I'm not seeing that you know yeah it would be very minor difficulties like ever closer to that and like not everyone's aligned including quality including quo and any terries a minute yeah and like you said with with the you know event thing they don't they don't have to have an event for any of this stuff that's kind of floating out there right now whether it's a different color of the Apple watch you know the product red version or if it's a different version of the Apple TV a 13-inch MacBook Pro update with a new keyboard or you know the cheaper iPhone and then all these things could could just be released in different times and it's probably you know the current virus thing is interesting because it's it's sat on one level because of what it is and and the I would say that you know because that story is not going away that would definitely have an effect on like what what you do planning wise because we saw just um this week that Mobile World Congress which is held in Barcelona right that's the big handset you know event of the year aside from Apple but but but every other phone you know the vendor comes there to show off what they've got for the year and and that had to be canceled because of a number of companies were pulling out of it and then they needed to cancel the event because it wasn't safe to do and there was some some specifics that were interesting like how they needed to do it to get their money you know for insurance to work out and for the country to declare it as an emergency but it ended up happening or where Mobile World Congress just won't happen this year and so you can see if that happened then you know you know a u.s. specific event might be different than the international event like that but an Apple event is also you know it's also an international event held in the US so yeah I mean they invite people from more of the one yeah I wouldn't rule out that that being an actual factor and whether or not there's a spring event or just like a spring you know virtually the series of eventful days right exactly yeah tree because none of these products are so revolutionary or incredible that they need to have that they like the trade-off is delaying the product launch to have a you know staged event for it versus just getting the product out sooner yeah and so if they were on the cusp of releasing you know their first day hourglasses of course they would want stage ho for that and they would push they would prioritize the event over it but you know the SE - it's an iPhone 8 with a new chip right they they can do a press release for it'll be as properties would be otherwise might they don't have to explain the narrative they have to give you a reason to buy it right like it's it's a formulaic release and everything we've seen for the Apple TV and even you know like the new cause of watches and spring spring band stuff they can do be press releases there's nothing that is like has to be event worthy really yep all right let's wrap up with a few more things here so um dried circus has released another new app we think we talked about the the the front and center app a few weeks ago and this new app is called switch glass and I think I get what it does it and these are all really interesting because it's that Jon siracusa is a old-school Mac guy and as mac OS Catalina is is upon us and it's the only thing that will run on the new Mac Pro then 32-bit apps are no longer a thing its 64-bit only and apps that he relied on that were 32-bit like drag thing can't work on the new Mac Pro and so he needs to make utilities that make his Mac perform the way he preferred before and that's where the app front and center came from to change the way that window behavior works whenever you click on one window whether it's just the single of that window or all those windows come together and switch class seems its it might be correct me if I'm wrong here but it's like a second doc or I'll turn it to talk but it's just the apps that are running yeah and and not the apps that you might put there to to launch yeah yeah it's it's the doc without launching it well launching from scratch is the doc is but only it's a multitasker and it's a secondary doc Susan like your main doc unless that's how you use it I guess yeah like it's kind of like if you took if your door could be empty and then you only showed your running apps mmm yeah which you could which you could I mean you can empty out your dock well finder and trash can't be removed oh yeah sure yeah so you can almost get there because you always get there here okay well neat yeah I did you know by to try it and played around with just the way that you can make the the dock look different and yeah I thought that was that was a nice touch yeah and like I can see why because it kind of reminds me of the recently used apps thing yeah like the iPad and stuff but the recently used is kind of annoying because it also shows that on open and in change messes with the order whereas with like the switch graph seeing is like then you know they're not moving around constantly and it's only the stuff has actually open right now yeah I actually think it's a cool idea if I had if I didn't use like a 50 inch laptop with the 25 inch screen if I had more real estate and probably you know use it more often you like actually use it as it is I can't you know I'm already spending what must be what like 20 percent of my of my vertical high on the state on the menu bar and on the dock like mmm screen screen real estate is precious when you don't have a pro display text yeah I totally get what he's doing with these these have releases because it speaks to me that the it's not I don't even think he's like if it's if it's better or more efficient or not but it's just the way that your Mac that you learned the Mac when you're you know for that matter the iPad and like your coming-of-age time and so for me there's all kind of things with the iPad like the will add the recent apps on the dock and I'm like it's not better for me I'm turning it off the now school the way it's gonna look the way it always has worked I have a lot of those things on the iPad and the Mac and the iPhone and the Apple watch for that matter where I liked the way it started out and then I didn't really pick up with this change from I always change the default to the old way and that's what these apps are kind of about it's like you know making that pop like on the iPad you're kind of held to Apple offering your way to turn the new stuff off rayray whereas on the Mac it's flexible enough that yes you can't make an alternative apps which if you read want to and that's you know that kind of app couldn't exist on the iPad at all bake at them you know max the max open enough to let you do that yeah yep alright ever few more things to mentioned in the show and if you hear the dogs outside I'm just going to let it let it be since we're at the end here but uh so one thing I want to want to do two things I wanna promote the first thing is is I went to a second NASA social where NASA invites people on social media to come to an event just like traditional media but just kind of for the exposure and to get to see something cool in this case it was the state of NASA annual address they talk about kind of the NASA budget and what they're gonna do for the next year and everything and but I got this get to and it was near where I live so I was like at 45 minutes away but but that was neat but what what I'm finding it going to these things is being around a different group of people than I otherwise would be I guess and that's that's the social part of it is like last time what I picked up from it was that when you would talk about podcast people would ask if your podcast is on Spotify not not if it's you know an apple podcast or iTunes or whatever it sounds like huh you know I will now start taking Spotify more seriously when it comes to just you know any kind of podcast as your podcast and Spotify they've definitely grown a lot in the last year and a half indeed and and it wasn't even just like Android folks you know cuz it could be at Spotify I was like the Android podcast player but it's it's I think that's also does putting podcast in front of anybody this time it was airdrop as a verb and man like everything and this was just a group of people of all ages and backgrounds and everything it was a really diverse group of people but we're all taking pictures and videos and everything we want to kind of share with each other and everyone I never initiate this stuff when it's like a fist more technical I go from like the most basic way up but for people to talk about like you know ears not me that airs not me this using it as a verb and there was some like discovery of like what is airdrop why are you talking about and then they would show them and I would just watch and it was just so neat to see like you know how this happens in the real world I guess and then there were a couple of people that didn't have iPhones that had Android phones they're like what are you talking about airdrop what is and then they owe is not an you know not an Android thing okay that's too bad but it was need to see Android a drop as a verb and also just airdrop used and I've seen that before where I like people it's one of those things where I guess because it's inherently sharing between two people then it gets shared like that where if one person knows about it they teach you the person so that there's a social aspect to airdrop where just because it is a two-way thing it gets shared in ways that maybe features might not so airdrop was a verb the other thing is you know my way of sharing from these things just like take pictures and and and listen and kind of learn and and write like snippets of information to put with the picture that I'm sharing on Twitter or wherever and it was a cartoonist from my home state Mississippi that was in attendance as well named Marshall Ramsey and I followed him already because I know that he uses the iPad to draw cartoons with the Apple pencil the iPad pro 11 inch and the Apple pencil the second generation and he had it with him here at the Space Center and it was so cool seeing what he was doing because he was taking pictures much your photos with the iPhone in the iPad but of what we were all seeing and also sharing like on our own feeds but then he was using his cartoonish skills with the iPad and the Apple pencil and he was like annotating just like this would be cool enough on its own but he was annotating with what we would otherwise like caption the image with of what we were learning but he would put it as part of the image so it's like one one picture and then it's self-contained with everything in it kind of like what Apple's marketing stuff looks like you know you take like an apple yeah exactly but it was so effective but then Austin is a cartoonist so he has this cartoon version of his of his dog pip that he draws and it's pip in like an astronaut cost you know suit and everything that's like and then it puts the kind of cartoon aspect to it and introduces like some commentary there and it was just so neat to see him with his iPad doing this in person and it's you know I love seeing like for me and you like we a lot of what we have to do to keep up with what Apple is doing is use our Apple products to to follow Apple and talk about Apple and it gets to you know it's like very it's Apple all the way down and it's always neat to see and I know you do develop and work and I do other stuff too but it's always neat to see how people are using their products that aren't just you know like inward-facing yeah like it could be very intima yeah exactly and it was really cool you know an email a few questions after the next day and ask him a few things and you know like you know what the biggest thing I took away was that I'd asked you know how would he share what we were saying without the iPad program a pencil and his answer was that he just wanted to draw anything you know maybe he just would have gone and attended you know but he wouldn't have drawn like this and because like his his regular thing is to draw a comic you know of one subject or topic or whatever and that's the comic that's the statement but this is like a whole series of pictures and in commentary and everything and I thought it was just like perfect for what the iPad is all about unfortunately but the last question I asked him was is there anything about drawing with a physical sketchbook that you like to see come to the iPad and his answer was durability like a sketchbook on the iPad like ice without using a big bulky case because he he dropped his iPad later that day it was like five or five hundred always to a place but and I get that but yeah it's really cool so check out check out the pictures if you haven't seen them yet it's it's I mean the the what the pictures are of is cool enough on its own but then the way that he used these to share information I thought was really really cool yeah I mean it's like you could you would not be remissed to think like that that doing that thing is only only happens in an in an advert yeah it's like commissioned about having like concrete examples of people doing it for real is is interesting and they're not doing it as like a part of a marketing campaign where they've been like you know sponsored to do it or whatever it's just on their own yeah it's not it's not like small print commissioned by Apple it's like yeah housing and I did ask him how long have you been drawing with the iPad because he's a career cartoonist and this way like the classic political cartoon and you know about a year so it's like you know it man the iPad pros but not for longer than that like that version of the iPad pro is but not for long he's been using you for this and the way he did it was was really cool so check that out if you haven't seen it already and then finally my other podcasts watch time has any episode out this week every other week is when the show to come out so this week it's a little bit different a lot of what we talked about on watch time is health and fitness related as it relates to the Apple watch this week I had met Matt Burch ler from Bert Street me his personal blog on and he does these amazing watch OS concepts every year where he looks at features that he wants to see on on the Apple watch and how they would be designed and how they would work like for example before we had an always-on display he had a really good concept of how that could work where only certain things light up on the screen whenever you raise your wrist and you know kind of kind of like what we got but but what we got was even more impressive but his watch was seven concept is really cool and it was neat to talk to him about his experience with the Apple watch and then sort of just what goes into all these concepts and how he even came up with the idea so check out watch time on Apple podcast or Spotify or wherever you hear your podcast and anything else I need this week Mayo I in case you can hear my voice code it's not as it's not as interesting as the current virus think it's just a boring code that's that's that's for the best I'm glad I do kind of wish that what rs7 was out now so I could use the rest days feature because I've had to like just the not feeling very well and like the weird like shivering of my skin has been I actually haven't actually worn the watch for three days now I brought my iPad my activity streaks oh oh well that's what happens it's okay that's alright well remember that the rumor like watch OS six medicine pills app this is Marty hey it was like an app that would remind you if you had periods to take on a schedule yeah it's just don't do that it's just we'll do that I wonder if we'll see that this year all right that is the happy hour podcast for this week you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Apollo Zak that's AP o ll o za C and Benjamin you're on Twitter at B's at Omega so everyone tweet B's at I'm a oh well wishes and get well students I'm so glad that was it go in the same week because it would just be really sad and with that being said we will be back next week bye everybody bye-bye youI watched the Apple news election debate thing last week Mayo just just to see what it was like and this is one of those funny things where in 20 or 2008 2007 I watched every debate every time one air now like a notebook with all the dates before I had digital do like a calendar with and but but this time is different and and so this is the first one that I've made sure to watch and it was because it was the Apple news presidential Democratic primary presidential debate and I was Carrie sits like what was the Apple news representation gonna be like and I tweeted about a bit of this stuff as it was going on but it was like you got like an Apple news logo in the corner every few minutes and there was one section where there was an apple and a question from Apple news I think and then there was an ad then they didn't add after every on every commercial break that was for News Plus not for Apple News and it wasn't even like really really good it was kind of bad like of yeah you like tweeted the ad or whatever and it's the most lazy add I think app was released in early July it's basically a PowerPoint presentation of just some like text flying across the screen there's no you know there's barely any like actual video of anything it was just like a recording of the screen and then some text flying about yeah and they they they've done a really good Apple News ad I think even for News Plus because it was a news Plus ad for this subscription part but that I think that adds like three minutes long and they didn't cut it down or anything they just did a whole new thing that was meant to be like no guess easy but maybe poppy but it wasn't great it was kind of just like that's really kind of lazy doesn't sell it very well but anyway like the for the debate stuff what I found to be the most impactful part of all of this is that you you could view it in the Apple news app when you you would launch the story and it was like a video player above an article and that's how it was streamed from from ABC in the Apple news app but the best way to view it was not in the Apple news app if you're doing it from Apple because you can do it like from from ABC's app or from YouTube even but if you go to Apple's TV app then there were big tiles for it too as it was happening and then you had a full-screen view without an article below it or you could do picture and picture that you couldn't do I think from from the news app because of the player was was made so that was interesting goes like even though as the Apple News debate and in some way it was best in the TV app of course it's it's it's it's a nice battle between how easy something is to use between the news app of the TV mm-hm battle going on there of mediocre you eyes yeah this is a bit like music and TV what is this video and everything and uh-huh but anyway like like life is something the TV app doesn't do very well right like if you got in the Apple TV their current solution for like watching live channels is to just speak to Syria about it it's like you hold down the microphone button and you say watch and then you say name in the channel and they've got like 30 supported channels and but you're supposed to remember all the channels that top your head and you just say watch and so the channel and it launches the app with the channel running which is a cool feature to have but you really need to be backed up by like a a live program it was like it's like it's like home kit before there was a live tab and then that would be the obvious place where you could put a banner for election coverage or where all the stuff I was going to do we've already seen them I think they're gonna do a lot more live stuff in the next few years later Zane Lowe was talking about doing a lot of live content for Apple music and we already saw them do the they streamed the Billy Irish like show and Steve Jobs theater in the last year and again that was kind of like Bowie and Apple music kind of it was on the featured tab but it'd be a lot better if they just had like a dedicated one-stop shop for live content in the TV app and then they could just direct everyone there yeah now they really rely on those tiles but so it did that from the Apple TV and it was just kind of neat to see like how is this going you know the person they're doing this and they'll be more believe this election cycle the other thing is new Oscar will actually related is that Siri now has a special integration with Apple news in the US where Apple News has already had this election hub for 2020 and now if you ask the right question in the right way at the right time you can get election and from Siri which you could make a lot of jokes about that we were trying this out before the show you're in the UK I'm in the u.s. it worked for me depending on what I asked some some of the time and when it works it's a nice integration where you get the answer verbally and you get a nice visual from Apple news in front of you and you can tap that to see more but also I would ask some of the questions that were promoted in this story that worked in this story and they didn't work you know or they would work sometimes so it's cut it's it's Siri you know what are you gonna do I guess yeah like some there are some domains where series like natural language parsing is quite flexible hmm but this definitely didn't seem like one this seemed almost you know rigidly you have to answer the exact questions in the exact syntax or is just gonna you know send you to the web and in the UK you didn't get any of it at all because for whatever reason they like sidle off all the election coverage for the u.s. to only the US market which is kind of sad because I think we mention this last week but I'd love to better go in the news app and actually look at their you know custom election biographies and who's winning and all the data charts like just because I'm not in the US is still interesting to look at sometimes yeah that's one of the questions in the initial coverage is it's a kind of nice like who's winning the New Hampshire primaries and so I guess you're supposed to ask that like in the moment as it's happening like on election day or voting day in that primary or in that state some of the ones that work for me who is winning you got you got at that point you got the answer where or when is the Mississippi primary I found for myself March 10 2020 that was those neat when is the next primary Nevada Democratic caucuses are on Saturday February 22nd so that's the next one who was winning the primary then they give you an answer so it's it's neat that'll be cool - yeah you get like a formatted table when it was it's just the classic problem of you need to know the exact code phrase do we actually better see it yeah and it is not so loose that it's like who's running for president and they're all gonna be part of this it'll be web results for a whole bunch of stuff but it's it's a neat little thing that they're doing you know and it's a good attempt at size Bowie Bowie implementation yes it's and it largely relies on vegetables so I dunno there's a big component for it for anything that doesn't have a screen on it with the home pod it's some other stuff going on so this week there's a store that you covered where it seems like maybe you're gonna be able to opt out of some emails soon from Apple if you get subscriptions and and you get spam with those receipts that you can but did it work yet well it seems to work for some people and others okay so so the subscription page in the in the iPhone is based like a web view yeah they they didn't have this for a long time and then last year they added like a more direct link to it so you go settings then you click your little face at the top for the Apple ID account and then you click subscriptions and then it brings up this panel where it shows you your I to the descriptions your expired subscriptions and you can cancel or change plan from from that screen but that whole like interface is just like a web view in a wrapper yeah and it was really clunky not so long ago they've they've chewed up some the animation stuff more recently so it looks slightly more native but you can still tell if you try on so it's meant to look like it's it's the Settings app but it's not me it's not loading native it's like loading of the Internet yeah and it's like rendering like an actual website is designed to fake look like this it definitely could be impermeable but anyway that what we found this week is they added a new toggle at the top for receive renewal receipts and it's defaulted to on which is the behavior that you've had all this time so if you have a monthly subscription when Apple bills your payment method it sends you an email saying let's just say Apple arcade is charging your $4.99 this month and then the next month you get another email saying Apple arcade is charged only $4.99 and you can times that email by having this active subscription you've got going through the in-app purchase system and it can get quite annoying right like if you have five subscriptions on a monthly basis that's five emails you get like one per week average and then you get every single month forever now there are some people who definitely like getting the emails because they like being reminded about exactly what their Spang you know exactly what they're spending what they've signed up for where they they can act as a prompt to cam so if you don't use the service anymore and so the setting is still devoted to on which is fine because that's how it's always worked but if you do fine being as annoying you can go in and you can switch it off for me the toggle just doesn't work yeah I don't know if it's because I'm on a Bay or it just hasn't rolled out properly yet but it's Devon you ever some people but for me I just like click the little green toggle and it just doesn't do anything so it's it it's a bit weird yeah I like the idea of this you get that stuff you can now turn it off yeah I like the idea of this but I think that what I like the most is when you can do it in your plans especially when there's an incentive in the form of a discount because then not only are you not having to keep up with them of the charge just an annual charge but also I do want the receipt and so that fixes the spam problem versus this toggle but like my thinking on this was like you know I could see developers asking for this as they move to subscription models in the App Store more and more that each receipt is like a reminder that you're paying still and it's like an opportunity to stop paying if you want you know it can be that way and so even though it's the default so on that just giving customers the ability to turn those off helps customers on what they want and then developers in that bed turned situation so yeah I mean there's definitely a yeah I like conspiracy theory or whatever way you know Apple would like you to turn this off because then more people like to forget that they're paying this stuff and and that the churn rate definitely goes down if you're not getting notified every month that you're actually paying for something but I think it's fine it's an option you can it on by default it be more slimy if it was off and yet it's like the new default right and so and if you do turn it off you can still go and find your receipts if you go dig in the settings there's like a page we just shows you every time apples busy for something you can actually go and find it if you really want to yeah and kind of joining two stories together here there were a couple of like funny little things that happened in the kind of Apple cultural world one thing was that the Oscars the there was the winner who's the screenwriter for Jojo rabbit Taiki were TT he in the press conference after he'd won he made some joke basically they were like asking about what the writers guild union should do which represents the screenwriters for film for films in America and he clearly didn't want to like actually answer the question about what should the Union do so he came up with like this half joking on-the-spot complaint that they should get him they should campaign him to fix the Apple keyboards and complaining about like low travel and they're hard to Ryan and there was a funny moment where he like tried to play to the rumors like who here uses a PC and then like one person put the hand up which is quite funny you know what I'm talking about because obviously most PC keyboards do not have the really low travel that the butterfly keyboards have had and clearly he wasn't referring to the six teams from Everett Pro maybe he just doesn't try to hear he doesn't know about it whatever I'm sure Apple PR fired up with him because he's actually developing a TV Plus series at the moment oh great yeah he's it's like a sci-fi series called Time Bandits which I don't think is gone into like they're not filming it yeah it's just in quite great development so there's that thing which was like some funny you know bad PR about the keyboards and then also this week there was a bad PR because France issued a twenty seven million dollar fine because of the iPhone performance battery thawing the staff that happened across 2017-2018 and obviously that resulted in the battery replacement program with the discount race and Apple said at the end of 2018 that it put aside money for legal cases because he expected that some regions would take him to court over and stuff oh yeah and one of the outcomes is this friend is this France fine now twenty seven million dollars is gonna break the bank but what's also slightly more annoying for Apple as a company is they've been forced to write this message on their website so if you go to apple.com /fr slash iPhone so the French iPhone page there's this pretty big banner at the very very top which basically says that Apple has been has agreed to this fine because they committed the offense of deceptive commercial practice by omission basically saying they did not adequately tell users that they were bringing in the performance throttling system in ten point two point one because if you remember this is a story that's quite a long time ago I never when ten-point tippet when originally came in the release notes base he didn't mention at all and then like a week later they added like a small mention to it of like the the iOS system went out optimized to help reduce unexpected shutdowns but then it wasn't to the end of the year where people actually realized the full consequences of what was going on there the extreme throttling that would happen I was like much a degraded on the weather's where they showed up if he were already upgraded yeah exactly so there was a big load of like term on out of that and this is better than the France fire I think is actually quite intelligent because it's specifically about not disclosing the system to users so it wasn't give them you know adequate information and Apple agree to the fine and it's a twenty seven million dollar five but it's a rather awkward thing they've to put on the website like a month yeah it looks like if you took the fine print from the bottom of every web page in the internet and you shove it at the top yeah it's like they've had to like force terms and conditions to the top of the pages every not what you'd prefer to have happen but they agree to it I guess and and if you kind of take both these stories together it's just like a good example of things of like controversies that happen in like our text fear like actually have long-term repercussions in the real world right like yes the keyboard is quote unquote fixed now for the 16-bit pro but it's not on the rest of the lineup and even if it did come to the rest of the lineup you'd still have people like what CT and others still having the reputation of the keyboards being bad in their headspace you know even if it doesn't play out written really any more foot for years to come and the same thing with the iPhone performance sorting situation that thing has just refueled everyone's conspiracy theories that Apple slows down older iPhones on purpose because when you dig into the details obviously it's not true and it's you know much more complicated intricate reasoning behind it but at the high level you know Apple is slowing down your phone and so those myths those ideas they just swirl around and they and it shows that you know when you're the biggest company in the world and you do have blunders they do have you know long-term repercussions yep yep and and from what I can tell professionals use older hardware for a long long time you know yeah remember last year especially they had the behind the mac videos and they would always show like the old map of pros not with glowing logos and stuff not not the new generation that's a all right this week Apple released a brand new app for the Mac called Swift playgrounds and but it's not Britney Mac in general from Apple because it comes from the iPad a few years ago 2016 what a playground for the Mac and why does it matter yeah so sweet play against the Mac is basically a catalyst port of the iPad app that's been around since since introduced because they what they they've always had the concept of playgrounds but they've had playgrounds on as part of Xcode on the Mac and they've had Swift playgrounds for the iPad and is playground so I'm a developer you're a developer is that that you you write code on the left side and you can you can run it on the right side and like see it play out yes or a yeah but yeah there are there are other ways to do that as well like from like a command-line interface and stuff but a high level it's if you can remember the original demo that Krishna ended in like 2015 who doesn't yeah you type code on the left and you can preview it on the right okay and that was like Xcode playground and then what they did was Swift playgrounds is take that interface to the iPad but also add in integrated tutorials although so as well as just having like you can start a blank project and type whatever you want but you also get like follow along instructions and that's that's what they uses the curriculum for like learning to code when they take them to schools and stuff yes everyone can code the curriculum for that is yeah exactly so you can do let the first book is like a very basic move forward move left like functions and you type them in and you can see a little like animated character move around this map and it slowly builds up programming concepts over time and then you if you want to you can stop using the kind of playground books which I like the tutorials and just go and make your own scripts and you know mess around and the the books were not on the Mac before you could only view them on the iPad app so playgrounds on the Mac were just like you're on your own really like the tutorials basically didn't exist on the map before so you had all of this curriculum that was exclusive to the iPad and Swift I guess for the iPad it's fine but you know you generally want to do a lot of typing and yes you can get a keyboard attachment for the iPads and stuff but it's night it'd be nice if you could do it on a laptop where you have more room real estate for both because obviously you're gonna have to have two two panes open of your code and the previewing stuff and if you have the books you then have this like third bit which is like chapters and pages of the book right so if you can have more space and you can have a nicer keyboard it'll be beneficial and so out of the blue this week Apple put Swift playgrounds on the Mac and it definitely helps bring parity to the curriculum so if you are in a school that does have max instead of you know iPad distributions you can still use the everyone can code curriculum now because you can open all of those books through the East shift against a Mac application instead it's it's probably apples like most ambitious catalyst app that they've released so far but I wouldn't really say it's like a step change in terms of catalyst quality right like if you if you actually launch it you can very quickly like get a feel for it's basically an iPad out with a sidebar right which is what we see on so many of these Mac catalyst ports you have this very I patty canvas you have iPad like pop-ups and controls and editing and then you have a sidebar which kind of makes it look like a Mak up but underneath it's basically the iPad app and it's definitely more richer than what you'd get with like home or voice memos because just like script play against wright-patt is quite ambitious like it holds like a whole compiler and code editor and has to run the code build the code and you can and the previews on the right don't after just be like result values in fact the first tutorial book they go through is literally it renders a full 3d environment on the right and you just type in commands to move the character around you'd actually like build up the full 3d world you just build the you just tell the thing how to move in it like steps you through it and if you go too far it tells you to change and work around so there's like this whole it's definitely like the most biggest catalyst app from Apple mmm right but it still represents the same problems of catalyst or the same downsides of catalyst that you can expect from everything else is it's the iPad app loosely ported to the Mac and what's kind of interesting is because it is that way not all playground books that you can make on the iPad will run on the mac app which is kind of a shame because you have you have like on on playgrounds for iPad you can do anything with foundation in UIKit right and you can bring those frameworks to the Mac through canvas cuz you are kids basically a catalyst wrapper right and those will work fine but there are some things there are some like frameworks on the IO on iOS that are not available in the catalyst environment one of them that's kind of obvious is like of many reality stuff right because the Mac doesn't have cameras it doesn't have rear cameras so you can't really do augmented reality features which is fair enough right because it's like a hardware limitation so if you try and if you if you made and and this isn't just like some hypothetical scenario on the on the iPad curriculum they do loads of stuff where they are like Apple has loads of like a our demos through sort of playgrounds and stuff they want you to play around and put scenes in the environment because it's fun and interactive especially for you know kids in in a classroom but that stuff just won't run on on the Mac at all and then if you go more in the weeds than you were trying to do like programming staff especially to do with like graphics like lower level graphics frameworks a lot of that stuff just isn't offered in catalyst and it's just kind of kind of bad news like so yes they have brought the app to the Mac but it's not like a one to one situation they're still you still have edge cases and like the AR example where the canonical version is still the iPad app yes it's that there it's it's better because it's available more places now and so on the Mac people will be able to use it that might not have been able to otherwise but then there's still gonna be spots where it's like why doesn't this work the right way and if you want the best version it still the iPad version and yeah yeah and there's another contours it's because it's running in the catalyst environment you don't have access to app kit you only have UI kit so you get your coding in the max with playgrounds app right but you can actually make mac UI yeah you can make iOS UI it's okay if you if you want to make like a you know a window with controls in it that look like a Mac you can't do it you're making iOS screens because what you have access to in the catalyst environment is just do UI kit frameworks so it's it kind of awkward because of the way they've ported it like if they'd had done it if they'd have made like a native Swift playgrounds app you definitely be able to do like stuff with apke instead because there's there's some idea that like Xcode on the Mac is quite alienating to a lot of people and it's hard to get into right and so having a simpler like code editing environment where you have tutorials is cool but it's just another thing where it's like Apple doesn't care about Mac development because what they bring him to the I or they would bring to the Mac is a swift playgrounds introduction to coding app they can't actually do any native Mac stuff at all yeah see what I mean yeah I do see what you mean yeah that's frustrating it's like and then is you with the rewind or back to like the whole catalyst or marzipan yeah marzipan conversation where it's like you know if you make a mac app from scratch it will definitely be better than if it were a port from the ipad but would they ever make the mac out from scratch in this case man probably not so but it's I think one places will be used is if you're in a classroom yeah like the the the Apple student deployments what they generally do is they give an iPad for every student and then the teacher has an iPad and a Mac yeah so you can see the teacher running through the demo connected to a Mac which is connected a big ascend display because they can also then like you know the multi-window environment of the Mac is way more capable than the iPad can do when you connect it to like a projector and stuff right because you have the Swift playgrounds full screen on the big screen and then you could have the rest of your like curriculum notes your lesson plan all of that stuff on the like the local Mac screen so that's definitely somewhere it probably is gonna be used and that's probably the motivation for them doing it at all but it's not like the perfect solution for his because the it's hard you know cuz obviously didn't exist before at all but it does kind of fall short of like the perfect vision of what they could do for like an introductory here's out to learn to code on the Mac mmm-hmm and and as far as catalyst is concerned this this app could get better in a lot of different ways some things will never be solved because it's they're not is things that are not on the Mac and don't make consuming the Mac but as catalyst improves this app could also improve so could apples other catalyst apps but is there is there an iPad app that you think you so you sort of push back on the notion that this shows that any app on on you've any sort of power level can be a Mac app and and and with catalyst but is and but is there an app that you think that would be a good example of that I mean I guess what I'm saying with playgrounds is there is a you know is a pretty rich application but it's a rich application on the iPad that's also rich on the Mac right like it's and if Swift playgrounds was designed natively on the Mac like as a native app hit experience it would look way different and it would behave way differently there's there's you don't have to cook you can click like one button in the app and you can immediately see like this is from an iOS world and that's just the reality of catalyst right so you're always going to have that bar if you're thinking of stuff that like I think a translate really well one example is the like the weather app right so look like I maybe I'm at least with the current state of what catalyst can offer I think the best experiences that can translate to the Mac are simple applications so if you had weather on the iPhone and they made a iPad version of it which by the way they have cool you either they could do on the iPad because if you go to the Apple TV and you are see which show the weather they have like full screen intensity by nine presentations of weather with the animations with graphs you didn't get in the iPhone version if they measured out in the iPad and then they use catalyst to bring that to the Mac actually think that would work really well because you could have you know a sidebar for your different cities and you could have toolbars which would be like shortcuts different actions but at the end of the day the cool UI is gonna be shared across all three and it would just be like a waste of resources to make a you know a native Mac weather and so you could and so today we haven't seen them do weather for the iPad at all but if they have the incentive of all they can make with the iPad and they also deliver weather to Mac at the same time then maybe that be away from to do mmm Apple hasn't said this but isn't there mark reporting that eventually this it's iPhone iPad Mac or is that yes it will yes report if pre them announcing any of this stuff right was the in the first year it would be focused on porting iPad apps to the Mac and then in the second year they would let you put I phone apps as well that gets into the weeds a bit cuz like what's the difference between an iPad or an iPhone that really like because you can make an iPad app look like an iPhone app right like you just give it if you taken if you take an iPad app and you put it in a side the split view on the iPad it will look like an iPhone app so really tall area yes so the current Calais conversion definitely prefer you to have like a iPad sized window like four by three window on the Mac screen and you can kind of force it if you really want to to look more like a portrait phone screen but you could definitely see Apple like providing proper tooling to make that thing and then you could maybe do the calculator through catalyst or something like that hmm and so that was what Mark said would happen in the second year and then in the third year they would homogenized the API so much that you wouldn't have to have and this is this is quite technical but at the moment if you make something for the if you make an iPad app and you take you to the Mac there are different in the code they're incompatible so you can't just like like say so you're adding a toolbar to the to the Mac version you have to write out a bunch of code and then you have to basically like conditionally include it only for the Mac version because it won't even build if you try and make it run on the iPad mm-hmm and so there's like a load of like you have to make necessary separate files but you have to make like if statements and blocks that are kind of a pain and it it basically means that when you make the final app you have one compiled binary which is your iPad app and you have one compiled binary which is the Mac App because they can't directly you can't run the iPad binary directly on the Mac like it has to be kind of like retranslated if that makes sense and so marks reports that that by the third year Apple would have got all of their ducks in a row so that all of the API has worked in both places so you wouldn't have to do the thing where you may seem up producing multiple targets is like the technical word for it you could list you just have one target which is your entire code base and it can run across all platforms and so in the case of like the toolbar maybe that would be exported to the iPad in some way or maybe it'd just be hidden on the iPad and it would only show on the Mac but right now you have to make like slight variations to application to even build it right so when you with the the code that you submit to the Mac App Store for catalyst is different to the iPad version even if you're including like you can't include your alterations to make it more Mac like in your iPad version if they don't do anything at the moment it just won't let you do it so you have to do these kind of like hacky workaround so like exclude blocks of code that don't apply in certain places and so Matt marks timeline which Apple didn't confirm obviously but he got the year one node was that by year three you'd only have one binary with it were together I've actually seen that confused in the last week with the stuff they announced last week which was the unified purchasing stuff right mm-hmm so last week we talked about them allowing you to be added by an app on the phone and then it will mattli pairing that with the Mac version and Allen that as well that is technically different to the so unified purchasing is different to unified binaries because the unified purchase is basically we've seen you bought the iPhone version so we'll let you download the Mac version as well whereas the binary would be like the underlying code that developer wrote is identical when you download it to the iPad when you download to the Mac and so they haven't accelerated the timeline or accelerated the rumour timeline it's something they could have done all along and now I decided to do it in you know March 2020 mm-hmm all right that's quite technical but yeah yeah in their Edition things with catalyst that we've had just kind of sitting on the nose for a while like like things that we're sort of seen over the summer from Steve Stratton Smith like the fact that there seems to be a messages app semi built with catalyst from iPad to Mac that would bring missing features over the same thing for shortcuts but those weren't there yeah you know when you asked me earlier what would be a great thing for Apple support yeah geez like a great example like yeah my head like the messages for Mac experience is he's not very good they clearly don't have the delimit resources to one-to-one match all the features of the iOS version and so it likes behind you could say the same thing for the Maps app right the Maps app doesn't have a look around it doesn't have indoor maps on the Mac right and the iOS and iPad version have some of those features for years now but for whatever reason they don't have the development resources to recreate that all in native app kit code but those apps are not they're not they're not gonna need so many like panels and toolbars and inspectors and all this like Mac stuff to be good Mac apps mm-hmm a lot they can basically be single window experiences right with you know pop outs for end of four separate chats or whatever but a basic level you can see how they could translate them quite well especially like you take the Maps app like the maps over them at today is the map and then it's got a toolbar at the top you can see how they could move the maps out from the iPad to the Mac and just add a Mac toolbar at the top if they wanted to and their messages there are so many features of messages that just aren't available the map because of the dumb UI kit app kit incompatibility you've got the entire of the iMessage app store you've got all of the effects even if the one effect that is implemented on the Mac is invisible ink and it's terrible if you actually look at the quality of the invisible ink effect on the Mac it looks like a night windows 90-95 snow globe whereas on the eye on the Oh version it's a really nice particle effect and even stuff like that if they did a catalyst version of messages on the Mac all of that stuff would be aligned and you would get the best experience because the best experience for doing iMessage is not on your Mac today it's on your iphone in your ipad and catalyst offers them a way to bring that to the Mac without having to have an 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like if the rumor was that messages gets replaced with with the iPad version on the Mac with catalyst then you you could see people episode about the legacy things that would go away but because you can still do like legacy I am shy messages right if you stop the account they've taken out so much stuff but you can still do expect and you can invite someone to share your screen or you can you can you can you can ask to share their screen or your screen and you know maybe they just they just do that that that'd be good on my pad anyway so maybe they they find a way to do that anyway um but they have taken out a bunch of this stuff otherwise that used to be there one a lot of time so there's not a lot anymore but it would that would that would that be a cold rumor we're not right there yet but yeah I mean 99% of paper would benefit from them port in the iPad version compared to the one percent of people that use screen sharing jarick would be a cool feature for them to offer on the iPad but they you know if they actually did it I'd be cool to have but they haven't done that yet and it wouldn't it really need to be a messages only like you wouldn't need to begin it from messages if it was part of iOS service part I pad OS it could be like a control center thing and then message is one of the ways that you can communicate I guess it would be a polite deed Apple ID but there's a lot of ways that they could fix that but yeah anything else on catalyst and then the Swift playgrounds app for the Mac yes yeah I mean it's good exists and it definitely helps them bring the curriculum to more environment yeah it was this kind of like some people had iPads other people had Macs and it was kind of stupid that you can only do it from one of them but I wouldn't call it like I think people have got a bit like caught up in themselves because they've seen the keyboard shortcuts the keyboard event stuff they've seen the date picker changes they've seen this you know quite capable catalyst app from Apple and it's like you know Apple is really listening like the core my core complaints are calloused I don't think I'm ever gonna be fixed like mmm I think that's just how callous Dizz right like in the in the longer term the better option here is for developers to make likes with UI apps with custom you know for each platform and they catalyst it's like and that's what's sad about it like it's never going to be the best experience I didn't I think they could do they could do an awful lot to make catalyst that's better and more enjoyable and especially like key events is a nice a nice is a nice step forward there but I didn't think it will ever reach the point where you like let me put this way I think forever I'll be able to tell what's a kind of stuff and what isn't like in a minute mm-hmm right I don't think you can make the way that the frame the system is just too constrained so he's always gonna feel like an iPad app running in like a window right like and I like pure native Mac experiences and what about something like the Apple podcasts happen much if you use that but that's one way well but I do use it how you use Apple podcast and every platform I can tell that podcast isn't native because you can like right-click on stuff and it doesn't work the way that you'd expect it to but podcasts is the closest to a native Mac App out of all of the catalyst apps that exists mainly because it cheats and uses a load of stuff that isn't available to like everyone hmm so for like a really dumb example for catalyst is the pixel scaling so all callused apps reduce the size of their canvas by 77% because like the default text size on iOS is like 16 pick points high and the default text size on the Mac is like 13 points right so Apple was like how should we sort this out should we like have it die mentally change fonts and now we'll just scale the entire window down by 77% and then it will basically look like the text size on the Mac without a developer having to like change the fonts on the affect on on the iPad so one one consequence of that is because it's not like an introduced ko it's like this weird 66% number if you take the the font looks slightly blurry it's basically like the the desktop modes you know the default desktop mode on the map a pro where it's using that scaled resolution mm-hmm it's like that but for the window of the application so if you look if you don't mean I could tell that immediately but if you really want to see it just drag the window to a non Retina display and all catalysts app look really blurry like the textures look terrible except for podcasts because in the podcast app they use private API to make it still be a hundred percent scale and they do other stuff like the same any controls like the widgets on the top right they like skin them to look like matte wedges but they don't behave exactly like matte widgets so if you if you if you examine hard enough you can tell they're not actually real but they look closer than anything else that was done at least hmm but yeah I can still tell so yeah and there's things that I can tell from the podcast app like just the way that a right-click it's gotten better but selecting like groups of items or secondary clicking is something because don't behave right away or even resizing the sidebar this may just be a bug but it doesn't save it I wanted to be narrow or always and it's always wider than it needs to be and then I change it and it moves back and there's just weird things that I think if it was like music that it wouldn't be this this weird I think even like in the early days like selecting all was was a was a thing you couldn't do in a big list and I think that the last thing I'll end on and using the app which I do use all the time is um if there's a list of like if I add a new show and they're all and I want to make them all listen to all play or unplayed and they're they span across multiple years then like command a won't do the trick you've got to shift-click the first and last within one year and then you can select those groups but not across multiple years and you certainly can't command a and then right-click so just a mother developer but I have to imagine there's a catalyst weirdness there going on that you don't see in any non catalyst apps yeah or just like that it's not like built-in like part of the app key experience is that so many of the behaviors are just like provided for you so if you have a list and you press the command a like app kit will automatically select everything right whereas iOS has not been built from that paradigm of having a keyboard like keyboard support was added later essentially and so all this creepy look and stuff is still very I mean as we talked about last week we literally only just got an API so you can know when the key is pushed down versus when it's pressed up right like it's we're still very like rudimentary levels and so all of the iOS controls don't have the or my behaviors like select no a developer has to like implement it manually which means most people don't bother so it doesn't happen mmm makes it I mm ik sense unless probably what's happening in there yeah yeah it's like podcast is fine but it's still way better if they actually made like a metaphor go Sam yeah it's so much better than for me because I've long been an apple podcast user for various reasons like the ability to stream over the internet on the Apple watch you know Siri integration before it was it was possible another ways and and then and then having a Mac app as part of iTunes and notice when it was part of iTunes it was pretty rough even yeah the iTunes expose was garbage so yeah it's way better than that it's way better than that such a load bar yeah that's the problem like yes it's good that it's better than what we had before but it still feels like they could do you know Apple as a company could do better if they cared enough right what you don't see is the opposite thing happening where app was making a framework where you can easily put on Mac up to the iPhone because yeah it'll be really bad and apples core product is at is iOS so you get the the translation the the porting spirits in the other direction and you know just makes me a little sad that that's what's happening but every one bit like the obvious counter-argument is would you rather it be a calloused Apple would you rather it be like electron or some web app in a and I guess I pick catalyst over that stuff yeah it's a hierarchy right like yeah it's like there's like four different versions of me do good night yeah slack is weird Skype is weird there's lots of weird bad ways to do apps I like to think so I think so the third party catalyst app that I use the most having my dock is Twitter so I use TweetDeck to have a streaming time line of tweets on the Mac but for a lot of other stuff I use the Twitter app and like the skinny column view and I just open it up and I need it and close it when I don't need it but the only like I would maybe look at using it instead of TweetDeck chemica used to in the in the days before Tweetbot and apps like that were harmed by twitter too limiting their api and not allowing streaming anymore if it liked your timeline to automatically refresh the sender's new tweets appear but if if Twitter put streaming pinned to top streaming where the tweet is sent and it appears in your timeline without having to refresh even run an interval then I would be pretty happy with that because that's my only complaint with the Twitter catalyst type format not the fact that it's a catalyst app and and they've slowly added things like touch bar support and then better touch bar support it was really weak at first wooden they made it a little bit better I'm happy with it like I've and I think it's it's better than the web for sure it's more capable than tweet deck in terms of just like sending tweets and and nici it was better than the old Twitter fam a cap yeah yeah but well because it's got features that that never came to the old 24 Mac app yeah but that's like so it's complicated stuff it's complicated but it's like you know I've used Twitter I've used the catalyst fed into it for Mac and my opinion is that the old Twitter that was better hmm apart from obviously the fact that and that's the thing all this time that isn't it's like yeah the old experience is better because it was Navy now some in the twit didn't update it with stuff like polling and group charge you could ask how about you dream stuff you can also have a bad not catalyst back up like the last Twitter for Mac app remember the one that was updated but it was just really bad before it got some work on it but like it was just kind of janky like yeah I mean that's the problem like all these situations you're basically arguing for like but those analyst web app that's basically your options in mostly third-party like and with the third PI apps I can excuse it more because yeah for me it's a cool like Apple the company I feel that they should be offering top tier experiences on their own apps yeah they don't and could be fair they have bad iOS apps as well like the TV apps bad on iOS you know it's not a port of anything they just made it bad so like that's that's where I come down it's just kind of disappointing that we're kind of resigned to the cat has experienced now for so many of like Apple's Mac applications yeah all right let's talk about a few more things this week before we head off the first thing is a new augmented reality feature this is related to quick look and shopping what did the details here yeah so this is something that actually was been available since I think this is November or December but they face Apple came out this week saying that all these different websites for Home Depot had adopted ear and Wayfarer Home Depot right yeah those companies yeah but basically so you know the AR QuickLook thing and you can do it with all that well it word is Arabic look that is sort of augmented reality and it's the thing where you there's a product that you have and you can tap a button that represents this is a special AR experience and then you go into this view where the product is right in front of you and you can interact you can spin it around you can zoom it in and out but you see it as if it's like in your environment through your phone yeah and it's approximately sized to the be the size that would be in real life yeah the most practical use of this that I've had is like it's fun to play with Apple products because they obviously do this so you've got the Apple watch and it's like you can make a really huge one and make a joke out of it with the Mac Pro and be like hey I've got this ten thousand dollar computer right here but when I was looking at the peloton tread it spits big and I use it uses this quick look feature and so I would use that to put it in the room that I was gonna put the treadmill in and at first I thought this is can't be right because it's just huge but it actually was a really big treadmill and for its he accurate it wasn't a hundred percent right but I think it was like within like five percent from my eye of accuracy yeah and all these shopping websites have adopted these AR object stuff they will report like they have more conversions when people use the arrow features so the shopping website seems to love it it's just a matter of time for them to convert all that products actually have the USD C files and everything what this a new feature helps do is actually increase the conversions even further because in the panel where you see the preview in the real word the AR screen right currently it's just basically your full screen a our environment and then you press close and you go back to the website well what they're adding now is the the section at the bottom the screen is basically like a customizable banner where the website can put wherever it wants in there so it can put like more details about the item or it can put like an immediate buy button or an Apple pay button all of that stuff can just be put directly on the product so you can put the product in your house frame it up oh yeah where you want to buy that and then burst press buy and melee from there so it's removing a lot of friction where you have for like queer a vir experience to then go and you know continue with a normal website yeah that's cool and one of the examples that they show with Home Depot for example is if they've got a washer and dryer and they they show the new one in the in the environment where they're gonna put it and they have it sized the right way they're like this this will work and they even go as far as so I guess is just the integration and the whole stack of like apples difference features and services because they also show like talking to a Home Depot representative like you're shopping over iMessage like you make a cool business chance yeah yeah business chat and like it's you using the familiar apps but you're using in a different way than just like going out on the web and shopping it's pretty neat yeah it's cool and this is this is probably the I mean they kind of demo shopping a lot as like an AR experience that everyone will use and I'm like mainstream ways and I think that's true for myself too but not because there's so many competing ways that your honor yet for me this is how a our usage is probably low but of a our usage the AR QuickLook shopping stuff is probably quite a big proportion of it yeah because you're just you know scrolling your normal website and then you see a preview and you're in homebuyer and you just tap that and it just shows it to you like it's a nice atom I actually have some utility because you can see the physical size of the thing yep and this end is right in the name quick look it isn't like um and they are a game where you're holding up your iPad for a long time to play and you've got to you know look to the screen as the portal it's quick look you look at it you sizes up real quick you know you've got the idea then you're done you know it's just to see not to interact with it really so yeah it's a cool feature so that make sense that they're building onto that and and now you can enhance that so I'll be looking for this in the wild and Nueces to spend money I guess but it's neat um what's going on with iPhone rumors and everything this week lists there's a few stories going around well yeah by singing in digit times and things there's a there was another report that said the iPhone se to be 399 uh we've talked about that like several times now that they're basically copying the original iPhone se to strategy because that was 399 when it came out in 2016 and then it the price eventually went down a bit but it started at 399 so we're kind of looking forward to that and everyone keeps saying it's coming in the spring so maybe there'll be a March event maybe they'll just do on the website obviously the coroner virus staff is very common at 11:00 in the news Apple has been closing stores they've been reopening some and then behind the scenes on the rumor mill site everyone's loving talk about the chrome devices and the impact of the supply chain about how Apple has had to stop sending some of its engineers because know during that story when it it was like United Airlines was sending 50 I can employees a day to China mm-hmm what Panny apples like pause that staff and that has consequences on product development although digitize report says that whilst the final like hardware verification and validation steps for the iPhone 12 might be pushed back yeah it probably won't be so dire that Apple won't have to like delay the phone coming out it might just be in little quantities or some models will be in like November time which is not out of the ordinary because they did the iPhone 10 November they did the iPhone 10 are in the last week or Toba so yes clearly Apple like aims to try and get with their phones out in September but we've seen you know slippage is before to a couple months later and it seems like that might be what we're going to have this year Apple is expected to do for iPhone models this year and given the setbacks from the current of iris stuff and all the factories not being you know operational when the engineering not being sitting out there we might see that some of those models don't all come out at the same time or they might be like limited supply for a while something like that but at a high level it's not like the iPhone twelves gonna be delayed between two any potentially what worse is pretty reasonable you know if we if we needed to go a year without a new iPhone if that was what we had to do that'd be all right yeah of course frapp was financials is it'd be very bad yes and like you can see a high level that I'm sure smaller companies get really affected by this kind of stuff obviously Apple has problems with production because if the factories are making the things then they can't sell them but in terms of you know Prada development I'm sure Apple has enough money that they can pay to make these problems go away right they can set up isolated factories and isolated development they can pay the Foxconn employees to come to the US for a time you know I mean like yeah these complications but I'm sure Apple has enough resources that they don't have to resort to just like delaying the iPhone 12 power so they'll have mitigations they can they probably have to spend more money than they would in a normal year but I'm sure they can make it happen and then the other digit time story rolled in the mix here was about the a14 chip and apparently Apple has ordered about 50% more a14 chips than the a13 which is quite a lot more but Apple is also making four phones this year and we expect there's gonna be a fourteen iPads as well and later in the year which we didn't get last year right there's no iPad update last year so it's less of an indicator now the of on quantity then then it would have been in previous years yeah I think so I mean obviously still it still will imply some upside because 50% is quite a lot on you know Apple sells way more iPhones and iPads so you wouldn't expend that to dominate if you see what I means then I think it does a imply some like aggressive nurses to Apple things that like 5g and the upgrades this year gonna be quite compelling it's going to cause a big cycle of demand what you suggest for taking account is that the iPhone 11 so better than Apple expect it anyway so even if they ordered less initially they have to actually up their orders later on right so the 50% order isn't 50% of all the view orders that Apple has done so far down the same period last in last year right so if you take the 50% and they have to increase their orders by 15% then you're ready down to 30% then you add in 10% for the iPads then you like slightly up and so it just it suggests that Apple is confident that the 5g cycle is gonna cause a lot of upgrades but it's not like as big as the headline number make sure you immediately believe okay anything else on the iPhone side this week I think that's about it like everyone keeps there's so many like se2 case leaks s yeah names like that's just a product that's like so close to coming out that we just kind of like waiting for an hour yeah it's not like a few years ago a year ago or whenever it was when it was like this maybe quote quote doesn't know about remember when it was like a woman from different analysts but minky quo you know reliable supply chain analyst was like he had to at least acknowledge it in one report was like it may come but I don't have I'm not seeing that you know yeah it would be very minor difficulties like ever closer to that and like not everyone's aligned including quality including quo and any terries a minute yeah and like you said with with the you know event thing they don't they don't have to have an event for any of this stuff that's kind of floating out there right now whether it's a different color of the Apple watch you know the product red version or if it's a different version of the Apple TV a 13-inch MacBook Pro update with a new keyboard or you know the cheaper iPhone and then all these things could could just be released in different times and it's probably you know the current virus thing is interesting because it's it's sat on one level because of what it is and and the I would say that you know because that story is not going away that would definitely have an effect on like what what you do planning wise because we saw just um this week that Mobile World Congress which is held in Barcelona right that's the big handset you know event of the year aside from Apple but but but every other phone you know the vendor comes there to show off what they've got for the year and and that had to be canceled because of a number of companies were pulling out of it and then they needed to cancel the event because it wasn't safe to do and there was some some specifics that were interesting like how they needed to do it to get their money you know for insurance to work out and for the country to declare it as an emergency but it ended up happening or where Mobile World Congress just won't happen this year and so you can see if that happened then you know you know a u.s. specific event might be different than the international event like that but an Apple event is also you know it's also an international event held in the US so yeah I mean they invite people from more of the one yeah I wouldn't rule out that that being an actual factor and whether or not there's a spring event or just like a spring you know virtually the series of eventful days right exactly yeah tree because none of these products are so revolutionary or incredible that they need to have that they like the trade-off is delaying the product launch to have a you know staged event for it versus just getting the product out sooner yeah and so if they were on the cusp of releasing you know their first day hourglasses of course they would want stage ho for that and they would push they would prioritize the event over it but you know the SE - it's an iPhone 8 with a new chip right they they can do a press release for it'll be as properties would be otherwise might they don't have to explain the narrative they have to give you a reason to buy it right like it's it's a formulaic release and everything we've seen for the Apple TV and even you know like the new cause of watches and spring spring band stuff they can do be press releases there's nothing that is like has to be event worthy really yep all right let's wrap up with a few more things here so um dried circus has released another new app we think we talked about the the the front and center app a few weeks ago and this new app is called switch glass and I think I get what it does it and these are all really interesting because it's that Jon siracusa is a old-school Mac guy and as mac OS Catalina is is upon us and it's the only thing that will run on the new Mac Pro then 32-bit apps are no longer a thing its 64-bit only and apps that he relied on that were 32-bit like drag thing can't work on the new Mac Pro and so he needs to make utilities that make his Mac perform the way he preferred before and that's where the app front and center came from to change the way that window behavior works whenever you click on one window whether it's just the single of that window or all those windows come together and switch class seems its it might be correct me if I'm wrong here but it's like a second doc or I'll turn it to talk but it's just the apps that are running yeah and and not the apps that you might put there to to launch yeah yeah it's it's the doc without launching it well launching from scratch is the doc is but only it's a multitasker and it's a secondary doc Susan like your main doc unless that's how you use it I guess yeah like it's kind of like if you took if your door could be empty and then you only showed your running apps mmm yeah which you could which you could I mean you can empty out your dock well finder and trash can't be removed oh yeah sure yeah so you can almost get there because you always get there here okay well neat yeah I did you know by to try it and played around with just the way that you can make the the dock look different and yeah I thought that was that was a nice touch yeah and like I can see why because it kind of reminds me of the recently used apps thing yeah like the iPad and stuff but the recently used is kind of annoying because it also shows that on open and in change messes with the order whereas with like the switch graph seeing is like then you know they're not moving around constantly and it's only the stuff has actually open right now yeah I actually think it's a cool idea if I had if I didn't use like a 50 inch laptop with the 25 inch screen if I had more real estate and probably you know use it more often you like actually use it as it is I can't you know I'm already spending what must be what like 20 percent of my of my vertical high on the state on the menu bar and on the dock like mmm screen screen real estate is precious when you don't have a pro display text yeah I totally get what he's doing with these these have releases because it speaks to me that the it's not I don't even think he's like if it's if it's better or more efficient or not but it's just the way that your Mac that you learned the Mac when you're you know for that matter the iPad and like your coming-of-age time and so for me there's all kind of things with the iPad like the will add the recent apps on the dock and I'm like it's not better for me I'm turning it off the now school the way it's gonna look the way it always has worked I have a lot of those things on the iPad and the Mac and the iPhone and the Apple watch for that matter where I liked the way it started out and then I didn't really pick up with this change from I always change the default to the old way and that's what these apps are kind of about it's like you know making that pop like on the iPad you're kind of held to Apple offering your way to turn the new stuff off rayray whereas on the Mac it's flexible enough that yes you can't make an alternative apps which if you read want to and that's you know that kind of app couldn't exist on the iPad at all bake at them you know max the max open enough to let you do that yeah yep alright ever few more things to mentioned in the show and if you hear the dogs outside I'm just going to let it let it be since we're at the end here but uh so one thing I want to want to do two things I wanna promote the first thing is is I went to a second NASA social where NASA invites people on social media to come to an event just like traditional media but just kind of for the exposure and to get to see something cool in this case it was the state of NASA annual address they talk about kind of the NASA budget and what they're gonna do for the next year and everything and but I got this get to and it was near where I live so I was like at 45 minutes away but but that was neat but what what I'm finding it going to these things is being around a different group of people than I otherwise would be I guess and that's that's the social part of it is like last time what I picked up from it was that when you would talk about podcast people would ask if your podcast is on Spotify not not if it's you know an apple podcast or iTunes or whatever it sounds like huh you know I will now start taking Spotify more seriously when it comes to just you know any kind of podcast as your podcast and Spotify they've definitely grown a lot in the last year and a half indeed and and it wasn't even just like Android folks you know cuz it could be at Spotify I was like the Android podcast player but it's it's I think that's also does putting podcast in front of anybody this time it was airdrop as a verb and man like everything and this was just a group of people of all ages and backgrounds and everything it was a really diverse group of people but we're all taking pictures and videos and everything we want to kind of share with each other and everyone I never initiate this stuff when it's like a fist more technical I go from like the most basic way up but for people to talk about like you know ears not me that airs not me this using it as a verb and there was some like discovery of like what is airdrop why are you talking about and then they would show them and I would just watch and it was just so neat to see like you know how this happens in the real world I guess and then there were a couple of people that didn't have iPhones that had Android phones they're like what are you talking about airdrop what is and then they owe is not an you know not an Android thing okay that's too bad but it was need to see Android a drop as a verb and also just airdrop used and I've seen that before where I like people it's one of those things where I guess because it's inherently sharing between two people then it gets shared like that where if one person knows about it they teach you the person so that there's a social aspect to airdrop where just because it is a two-way thing it gets shared in ways that maybe features might not so airdrop was a verb the other thing is you know my way of sharing from these things just like take pictures and and and listen and kind of learn and and write like snippets of information to put with the picture that I'm sharing on Twitter or wherever and it was a cartoonist from my home state Mississippi that was in attendance as well named Marshall Ramsey and I followed him already because I know that he uses the iPad to draw cartoons with the Apple pencil the iPad pro 11 inch and the Apple pencil the second generation and he had it with him here at the Space Center and it was so cool seeing what he was doing because he was taking pictures much your photos with the iPhone in the iPad but of what we were all seeing and also sharing like on our own feeds but then he was using his cartoonish skills with the iPad and the Apple pencil and he was like annotating just like this would be cool enough on its own but he was annotating with what we would otherwise like caption the image with of what we were learning but he would put it as part of the image so it's like one one picture and then it's self-contained with everything in it kind of like what Apple's marketing stuff looks like you know you take like an apple yeah exactly but it was so effective but then Austin is a cartoonist so he has this cartoon version of his of his dog pip that he draws and it's pip in like an astronaut cost you know suit and everything that's like and then it puts the kind of cartoon aspect to it and introduces like some commentary there and it was just so neat to see him with his iPad doing this in person and it's you know I love seeing like for me and you like we a lot of what we have to do to keep up with what Apple is doing is use our Apple products to to follow Apple and talk about Apple and it gets to you know it's like very it's Apple all the way down and it's always neat to see and I know you do develop and work and I do other stuff too but it's always neat to see how people are using their products that aren't just you know like inward-facing yeah like it could be very intima yeah exactly and it was really cool you know an email a few questions after the next day and ask him a few things and you know like you know what the biggest thing I took away was that I'd asked you know how would he share what we were saying without the iPad program a pencil and his answer was that he just wanted to draw anything you know maybe he just would have gone and attended you know but he wouldn't have drawn like this and because like his his regular thing is to draw a comic you know of one subject or topic or whatever and that's the comic that's the statement but this is like a whole series of pictures and in commentary and everything and I thought it was just like perfect for what the iPad is all about unfortunately but the last question I asked him was is there anything about drawing with a physical sketchbook that you like to see come to the iPad and his answer was durability like a sketchbook on the iPad like ice without using a big bulky case because he he dropped his iPad later that day it was like five or five hundred always to a place but and I get that but yeah it's really cool so check out check out the pictures if you haven't seen them yet it's it's I mean the the what the pictures are of is cool enough on its own but then the way that he used these to share information I thought was really really cool yeah I mean it's like you could you would not be remissed to think like that that doing that thing is only only happens in an in an advert yeah it's like commissioned about having like concrete examples of people doing it for real is is interesting and they're not doing it as like a part of a marketing campaign where they've been like you know sponsored to do it or whatever it's just on their own yeah it's not it's not like small print commissioned by Apple it's like yeah housing and I did ask him how long have you been drawing with the iPad because he's a career cartoonist and this way like the classic political cartoon and you know about a year so it's like you know it man the iPad pros but not for longer than that like that version of the iPad pro is but not for long he's been using you for this and the way he did it was was really cool so check that out if you haven't seen it already and then finally my other podcasts watch time has any episode out this week every other week is when the show to come out so this week it's a little bit different a lot of what we talked about on watch time is health and fitness related as it relates to the Apple watch this week I had met Matt Burch ler from Bert Street me his personal blog on and he does these amazing watch OS concepts every year where he looks at features that he wants to see on on the Apple watch and how they would be designed and how they would work like for example before we had an always-on display he had a really good concept of how that could work where only certain things light up on the screen whenever you raise your wrist and you know kind of kind of like what we got but but what we got was even more impressive but his watch was seven concept is really cool and it was neat to talk to him about his experience with the Apple watch and then sort of just what goes into all these concepts and how he even came up with the idea so check out watch time on Apple podcast or Spotify or wherever you hear your podcast and anything else I need this week Mayo I in case you can hear my voice code it's not as it's not as interesting as the current virus think it's just a boring code that's that's that's for the best I'm glad I do kind of wish that what rs7 was out now so I could use the rest days feature because I've had to like just the not feeling very well and like the weird like shivering of my skin has been I actually haven't actually worn the watch for three days now I brought my iPad my activity streaks oh oh well that's what happens it's okay that's alright well remember that the rumor like watch OS six medicine pills app this is Marty hey it was like an app that would remind you if you had periods to take on a schedule yeah it's just don't do that it's just we'll do that I wonder if we'll see that this year all right that is the happy hour podcast for this week you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Apollo Zak that's AP o ll o za C and Benjamin you're on Twitter at B's at Omega so everyone tweet B's at I'm a oh well wishes and get well students I'm so glad that was it go in the same week because it would just be really sad and with that being said we will be back next week bye everybody bye-bye you\n"