The Potential of Jibo: A Home Robot with a Human Touch

Jibo, a home robot announced before the rise of Alexa, was an IndieGoGo project that promised to bring a digital assistant to homes for $400. Designed by robot Isis, who had extensive experience in human-computer interaction and human robotics, Jibo was designed to be more than just a stationary display screen. It has a rotating face with a ring light that illuminates when you're talking to it, making it feel like it's "alive." The robot can also spin 360 degrees, adding to its charming presence in the room.

While Jibo is not as capable as some of its competitors, such as Alexa or Cortana, it does have some unique features. It has a limited but effective text-to-speech system and can perform basic tasks, such as answering questions about Wikipedia topics or providing news updates. However, its capabilities are somewhat limited by its lack of user input - users must interact with Jibo through physical buttons, rather than voice commands.

Despite these limitations, Jibo's potential is undeniable. The robot's ability to learn and adapt to its environment could make it a more effective assistant over time. It also has the potential to be used in educational settings, such as teaching children games like Simon Says or door-opening exercises. While the idea of using Jibo in this way may seem gimmicky, it highlights the importance of creating engaging and interactive learning experiences.

One area where Jibo falls short is its inability to browse the internet or access external information. This lack of internet connectivity means that users are limited to what Jibo knows pre-programmed into its system. However, this limitation could also be seen as a strength - by providing a more controlled and curated experience, Jibo can ensure that users have access to accurate and reliable information.

Overall, while Jibo may not be the most powerful or feature-rich robot on the market, its unique design and charming personality make it an interesting addition to the world of home robots. As technology continues to evolve, it will be exciting to see how Jibo's capabilities are developed and expanded upon.

The Future of Home Robots: Lessons from Jibo

Jibo's existence serves as a reminder that even in a market dominated by established players like Alexa and Google Home, there is still room for innovation and disruption. The success of Jibo, despite its limitations, highlights the importance of creating products that are both functional and engaging.

One key takeaway from Jibo's experience is the importance of user interaction. While some users may prefer to interact with their robots through voice commands, others - like children or older adults - may benefit from more tactile interactions. By incorporating physical buttons and other interactive elements into its design, Jibo has created a more accessible and engaging experience for its users.

Another lesson that can be learned from Jibo is the value of design over functionality. While some users may prioritize the robot's ability to perform specific tasks or access external information, others - like those who will use Jibo in educational settings - may place greater emphasis on its design and user interface. By prioritizing aesthetics and interaction, Jibo has created a product that is both functional and enjoyable.

As we look to the future of home robots, it's clear that Jibo's experience can serve as a model for innovation and disruption. By prioritizing user interaction and design over functionality, manufacturers can create products that are more engaging, accessible, and effective in their use cases.

The Mythbusters Revival: A New Era of Science and Entertainment

For fans of the classic science show Mythbusters, the news of its revival is sure to be music to ears. The new series, which debuts on the Science Channel, promises to bring back the same blend of science, humor, and entertainment that made the original show a staple of television.

One of the most exciting aspects of the new series is its potential for interactive engagement with fans. With social media channels and online platforms already up and running, viewers can now participate in live streams, Q&A sessions, and other behind-the-scenes content. This level of interactivity promises to create a more immersive experience for fans, who will be able to engage with the show's hosts and experts in new and innovative ways.

The return of Mythbusters also raises important questions about the role of science and entertainment in popular culture. While some may view the show as simply an entertaining program, its impact on our understanding of scientific principles and concepts cannot be overstated. By presenting complex ideas in a clear and engaging manner, Mythbusters has helped to demystify science for audiences around the world.

The Return of a Classic: What Can We Expect from Mythbusters?

As the new series of Mythbusters debuts on the Science Channel, fans are sure to be eager to learn more about what's in store. Will the show continue to focus on debunking urban legends and testing scientific theories? Or will it explore new topics and themes that will keep viewers engaged and entertained?

One thing is certain: with its unique blend of science, humor, and entertainment, Mythbusters promises to deliver an experience unlike any other. Whether you're a lifelong fan or just discovering the show for the first time, this new series has something to offer everyone.

The Power of Interactive Learning: How Jibo Can Help

Jibo's potential as a teaching tool is undeniable. By incorporating games and interactive exercises into its design, the robot can create an engaging and effective learning experience for students. Whether it's teaching children about basic math concepts or providing educational resources for adults, Jibo has the potential to make learning more fun and accessible.

One key advantage of using Jibo in this way is its ability to adapt to individual students' needs. By incorporating sensors and other tracking technology into its design, Jibo can adjust its difficulty level and content on the fly to ensure that each student is receiving a personalized experience. This level of customization promises to create a more effective and engaging learning environment.

The Future of Home Robots: A World Where Technology Meets Humanity

As we look to the future of home robots like Jibo, it's clear that the line between technology and humanity will become increasingly blurred. With their ability to interact with users in new and innovative ways, these robots promise to create a more immersive and engaging experience for those who use them.

But what does this mean for our understanding of what it means to be human? As we create machines that can mimic our behavior and emotions, we raise important questions about the nature of consciousness and intelligence. Will Jibo or other home robots eventually surpass us in their ability to think and learn? Or will they remain forever bound to their programming and limitations?

These are questions that will take time to answer, but one thing is certain: as we continue to develop and refine our technology, we'll be forced to confront the implications of creating machines that are increasingly human-like.

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Jeremy Williams hello norm and cashew hurry it's the most wonderful time the holidays are upon us at the end of November actually you know for a lot of people it's after Halloween the holidays were but you can actually start selling during the holidays because sure you're finally wrapped up with the Bay Area Science Festival I'm done you're done congratulations Travis I know more science until the science is canceled till 2018 and you had your finally the culmination of the Bayer in science festival every year in the past couple years has culminated in this massive event how'd it go to 18t Park yeah we do a big hands-on day at AT&T Park where all the universities and Science Museum's come together to host a free day where you get to interact with scientists and do activities it was great at the right time oh yeah I was one of the 1300 yeah Jeremy and Peter yep and I was amazed like you don't pay to get into the park this doesn't happen it was amazing you shouldn't have to pay for something it's fantastic like I showed up and I got through security and then I was I was floored like I was able to walk out onto the baseball diamond that's the thing that's the thing that I think surprises people because you know like for example at comic-con sometimes companies rent out Petco Park which is San Diego's ballpark for the Padres and but really they don't use the field I use the mezzanine area where the concessions are AT&T Park you actually have tents and events on the field do people go just to say they go on the field and run around and throw baseballs sure but what we do is we put a telescope between second and third base so they have to stop and look at the Sun so it's like it's like you can run the bases but you're gonna learn by yourself and you know no one gets blinded that was great Wow 30,000 people congratulations that's fantastic it's awesome it's seven year we do it and I think it works partially because we do it in a non traditional science location so just like you said some people are baseball fans that come out and tough luck they look around after running the bases and they're surrounded by science got to learn now dude also has a camera crew following him around that projects him live under the big school Wireless yeah system yeah so throughout every half hour I was doing hits to the scoreboard where I would show up and be on audio throughout the ballpark like showing off exhibits I definitely do not have a career in that you're know ample evidence you know Amy G : the home fans and no t-shirts and you should have seen how flustered I was when I was trying to talk to the scientist who was dissecting a sheep brain I'm like I'm not sure how to go how to do this take a sure we have like half a dozen sheep brains in our fridge oh yeah I should take those back oh I was actually well impressed because there is a better one-second delay from when you speak to when it comes out of the loudspeakers which you hear clearly oh so you get psyched out so he just talks through himself like you have to ignore yourself it's really hard you know there's this phenomenon when you hear yourself played back to you especially if it's on a delay you won't be able to speak anymore you start to slow down or or you chant you change your speed accordingly and so I had to fight through this by basically like looking like basically shutting off my ears by just focusing on like a faraway object of Messiah I'm not hearing this I was like humming in my head you talking about zero self-awareness yeah I think my wife says I have that that's very zen yeah so in addition to that event there was another event that happened this weekend Jeremy you were at you were at the day of the devs day of the devs is the annual independent Games Festival held here by Double Fine I guess I don't know if they hold it but they certainly sponsored and helped run it and that's actually in the same neighborhood as the ballpark just south of it in Dogpatch and I took my son as we always do and had a great time the quality of independent games my friends I am more impressed than ever like I've always thought independents were cool but I've always felt like there were some compromises being made and to an extent there's always going to be you're not gonna be able to afford the big-budget vistas and the high-res textures geometry the things that take brute force and man-hours but the game quality is just as just as enticing and the innovation the innovation and the graphical aesthetic that the independent games have embraced is not just 8-bit like it is wide-ranging it is and it is consistently beautiful now and I I'm just I'm I love that this has happened like there's no more compromises any favorites jump out you there is a VR game that I got to play that was actually debuted there called the rig then they're actually a local team so we hope to bring them in to talk to us at some point there was I got to play UFO 50 finally which is the game by the maker of spelunky uh-huh and for other developers they came together they're making 50 games and they're combining them into a single package and they're all likes nests maybe nest style and but they're complete games like they're saying they're not minigames they're full games there's 50 of them and you'll pay a full price for them and like what what amazes me is about this is not the product it's the design of it it's like how do you not get lost in one of them like if you're a developer and you have to make well maybe each of them is making 10 or 15 games how do you not just fall in love with one of them and go deep on it and make it so much better than the other ones so that that's amazing to me so I did ask him about that and he said that the developer of spunky and he said that they designed them all ahead of time and that they just stuck to the designs of the of the games that they had written down which to me is just speaks of tremendous discipline is this a thing that was open to the public - totally and also free so lots of good free events this past weekend oh my gosh that's awesome um would you do norm well I drove to LA that's not free it's not free I drove to LA at like I started driving at 9:30 p.m. on on Thursday night yeah and yeah and then got there 4:00 a.m. some people go to bed then I know I know you wish you're on the sleep bus thank you yeah I totally wish I wasn't asleep but I drove down with Danica and Ripley and we did a couple things in in the LA area over the weekend one we stopped by a prop store so a prop store of london del sol la warehouse you know we see them at Comic Cons and a bunch of other pop culture conventions but they have an upcoming auction that we want to check out with a video that soon of almost entire e of costumes and props 400 lots of costumes and props from the JJ Abrams Star Trek film so oh yeah I touched on the original Star Trek great I know JJ Bree yes the first two Star Trek 2009 and star trek into darkness not Star Trek beyond which I love those costumes that Justin Lin had made up but I handled a lot of props and is very very and you you already own the Innova sure I do from that yes and I was very impressed by what a how similar the quality was there's definitely some differences in the stitching and even just a little bit in the fabric feel but I think they got really close at least with this one but it was really cool to see things like the Kelvin uniforms a lot of the dress you know some of my favorite costumes from the Star Trek films are actually the cadet uniforms in the formal uniforms I think I think they have a really nice nice silhouette to them and then the phaser is like you know the phaser where you press the button and it goes from stun to to kill what they all do that yes yes okay but they had one that was on the hero one on camera actually functioning functioning mechanism it was a real phaser that you could kill somebody was totally set to stun be very careful where you point that out did you and that's where you interviewed the the model maker who made them no no no so that was a separate event and the primary reason we went to down to LA was to visit designer con which is my favorite convention of the year it's at the Pasadena Convention Center where there Saturday and it's basically artists design toy designers collectible designers sculptors who set up boots and I always describe it as that you know when you go do like a running a craft fair or bizarre bizarre bizarre bizarre and you see like the three tables you like if like the screen printed art or like the custom sculpt sand the rest are soaps and and you know woodland creatures like this is those three tables but 500 tables which is and couldn't see everything I wanted to I'll give out some highlights or put our videos this week but yes like you mentioned extraord head studio then they had fabricated the the headdress that Cape lunch it wears in the thor ragnarok it wasn't for all the scenes it was for the promo photos and it was stand-ins for some of the scenes but beautiful beautiful she actually wore it it's gonna be the new Starbucks logo yeah the finishing on that in particularly home I mean and then the fact that it's you know it's it's all they call it grown so it's kinda interesting like the the special effects industry they don't say they just can't say it's 3d printing but they say it's grown really yeah that's their that's their Parlin it's like well how was that made you know sales hand-sculpted or you know that was cast that was grown okay yeah can we can we start saying that we could totally say sir I'll show think about that why do you think they say that is it because like there because printing is already so associated with like textile printing and by plotting and or you think because those good mystique to the the way it comes out of the printer is it separating from the amateurs like 3d printed is the word that you know anyone can use no I like vaults like fewer syllables 3d printed four syllables or groan yeah it's just brevity I like it though like I'm just hearing it more and more but how'd you how was that made I was grown I'm Sean's charlesworth a grown expert yeah I don't know I didn't ask Jose Fernandez about that but did chat with him who's he's the founder of iron hood studio you know sculptor of things like the Batman costumes from the the Joel Schumacher days the Catwoman costume formatting returns last year you went he had the black panther helmet he Allah who don't they do fabrication for Black Panther for spider-man all sorts of stuff nothing was just magnificent person but that's like part of most high-profile thing there's a lot of independent filmmakers there are these two guys there's in LA designers ones a hand sculptor ones a blender sculptor and they together made a 70 piece kit Hoverbike kit garage kit what are you talking about and like I guess I got one-eighth-scale model kit okay and they grudge kit totally hand cast all 3d printed parts it's in Scranton it's all open source software they use what do mean I have a bike lately Jed I think it's their own design completely their own design I'll show you picture of it Jeremy so you have a quick reference but looks looks like that looks like very from out of akira or something yeah futuristic Honda bike wicked but everything like this is something that if they have you have 3d designing skills most 3d modeling skills if your day job is working for a video game company or even you know previous for a movie studio you can make your own toys and you can make your own model kits yep and they've had six of them they were printing they were casting parts of that morning bring him in and they sold out at the show so super happy for them I met up with a guy who designs keyboard key caps okay then you have some experience with this because yeah yeah we have a friend Ryan or brow food makes he makes custom cases milled cases chassis and also has made key calves but this guy his whole business is modeling in ZBrush 3d keek keek apps custom key caps for your Escape key for your pause key and then printing them on like a form - mm-hmm a principle time he grows them grow somewhat grows him on a form to paints them and sells him at like 10 to 30 dollars a pop I think that's pretty key a key well now they're treated like they're not straight off the printer right like well he'll nice nice painting jobs on some of them the straight ones off the the printer which are super clean there's some and I'll show you some there's a video coming up later this week about this but like he like skulls we can see through like the jaw and holes in the eye using a form to for it using the form to and the resolution is just enough that you can get all that detail and that's really smart I I'm always impressed with he will come up with smart businesses that rely on existing infrastructures like keyboards right or you know music collections with the iPad and there are tons of mechanical keyboard fans out there who want who like their signature thing is not only the key caps they the custom caps with the rest of typing keys but like but one accent key in the top right or top left of their keyboard yeah and and the fact that this guy can quit his job as a cg artist and he thought he's that successful when he keys his to but he twitch streams 3d modeling like this tutorials yeah and then he makes keyboard keys live in the dream and his canvas is this 3/4 inch by three-quarter inch thing which is right like that's a that's his canvas all right it's super cool quick quick tangent you since you mentioned Hoverbike did you guys see the real-life hoverbikes oh my god speeder bike you mean yeah speeder bikes from Star Wars people built like a case of a speeder bike around either like a motorcycle or an electric bike and drove them around New York so that they're obscuring the wheels they're making it look like they're hovering but like the mirrors pretty good illusion yeah it's a it's a really great illusion and the the best bit is basically it's two rebels on a bike like Luke and Leia and they eventually pass a like a stormtrooper just sitting there hanging out just eating his lunch on it that's and then he like just takes off after that I love it there was somebody who did it was Aladdin on a floating magic carpet wouldn't that Casey nice that no no that what no he did like no no no you're a snowboarding thing yeah oh no no he was Aladdin on a yeah but it was basically using a boosted board beneath the magic carpet it was pretty pretty convincing same idea I did see Thor by the way right oh you did yeah I liked it we were gonna talk about that in our next segment one more item hey guys Black Friday coming up next Friday cuz sure now I'm you know Alliance I do you are the only one left that likes Black Friday millions of people that go out for tea what are the things you guys are looking at for this year I'm traveling on Black Friday I'm going to see family in Florida and I'm flying back that day so I think I'll miss out on the madness it's all weekend now it's just you know Cyber Monday whatnot you'll be fine really though yes really do I not should I go to Black Friday at the shopping mall inside the inside the airport that's funny they're gonna have it I know I know they won't know they want the best by kiosks will remain the same price especially a high travel weekend come on no it's a mother still me no mom delighted the best my kiosk would be amazing TSA Buster's do I should I should just pack a tent and put up a tent outside the Best Buy kiosk in the mall in the airport there you go that's it's great how are we playing music now alright let's go to a pops culture all right so we have a lot to get through um let's quickly talk about Thor you saw it we don't have to it was we came up okay so I said I'd saw it yeah and I did like it I was surprised I mean I did I liked it it's not my favorite like Marvel film ever but I was surprised after I got home I was getting on Twitter and I saw a friend of mine like a good friend Sam who works at AI again Sam Claybourne it's his favorite Marvel film you know Wow it's so different I think a lot a lot of people felt the same way when the first Gardens Galax came out because it was the tonally it was so different yeah this one being just a 180 from from Thor 2 which was super serious this one being just so much fun yeah you had said that you didn't like all the banter like all the jokes just kind of like in yeah I thought it was a little too kameen for me I liked that because I didn't care about the film now I imagine if you go into these films and you are you are invested in these stories these comic book characters and you want to see these like taking a little bit seriously that could happen and if any if there's anybody did this to Star Wars I would hate it you know I don't guess what guess what Jeremy it's gonna it's gonna it's good I know will yeah yeah it's it's don't theaters a totally ton of fun this I think fun is is yeah whatever I'm saying about it uh all right let's get to the big pop-culture news this week and unfortunately we don't have will today but Will Smith is needed by Will Smith when yeah that's always the case oh the Wills mitts are needed by Will Smith so Will Smith the actor apparently has a deal with Netflix he has a movie coming out Netflix coming out soon blight I want to say it's called bright bright bright maybe it's David is directing it it's like training day A+ magic and and he has more projects with Netflix maybe a TV show and so he posted on Twitter through the Netflix Twitter handle that if your name is your name Will Smith kidding if your name was once if your name is actually Will Smith please see below for an urgent message Will Smith is calling out anyone's name who's Will Smith to do what we don't know to collaborate with him in some documentaries some TV shows something so breaking news from our Will Smith's twitch stream last night he divulged that he did respond mm-hmm and also said please stop tweeting at it please stop adding him about this did respond and Netflix gave him some instructions but he's not sure he has time to go along with this Oh turning down the one thing his life has built up to you know it could be like just it it could be something silly it could be something like just to make a video of yourself like birth of his child forget it I mean marriage forget it at starting your own business forget it here's your moment Will Smith at Will Smith all right well I can't why I hope he's involved in that I think I'd be cool to see Will Smith's collide how did you I think I think our Will Smith is the fourth most famous Will Smith - I was gonna say second what no no so okay fine yeah we would know who's number one there's the defensive end for the New Orleans Saints whose tragically murdered my god and then there's the current baseball player Will Smith well hey and I think sports sports Trump's VR started it for you maybe me okay bye okay fine not for me fine all right we hope something comes of this we were gonna be waiting waiting with bated breath to see that the Will Smith collaboration it's gonna be it's gonna just be like the HBO documentary the the what we call it Defiant ones right except starring Will Smith Will Smith they didn't like bring in everybody named dr. Dre I want the production value feel like that and I want to see are the Will Smith we know in that type of a bunch of doctors all right a bunch of other movies coming out you know I am surprised that Justice League which is coming out this at the end of this week I have not seen a lot of hyper advertising for it let me check their score on Rotten Tomatoes oh wait there is no score so as we're recording this we're recording this on Wednesday the reviews for Justice League have actually just been lifted this morning like thirty in the morning so people seen it for example io9 says the movie isn't great but it sets up great things to come I'm not gonna read more any more into that there's a horrible review yeah that's the headline and Ron tomatoes put it in bar go on the they decided to delay the certification now if you wanted to look at alder because their bar goes up so you can like be your own Ron tomatoes and just find all the reviews no score yet and you can qualify them and then you can tally up and make your own assessment of what the quote-unquote tomato meter score would be yeah but Ron tomatoes will not give a fresh or rotten certification or a percentage until this next day the day before the film comes how the reviews are officially released the viewer reviews our release they are delaying it even past the reviews I don't understand why would why would they do that there's two to two points of conspiracy one is that they're talking about two holding that certification and that score until Ron Tomatoes launches their new the first episode of this new show they're doing Rotten Tomatoes is doing a show I got a web show they used to have a show that was really good what's that what's that gonna be rated that's stupid well the idea that they're gonna talk about movies and they're gonna unveil the scores on the shows oh okay alright okay and so everyone's waiting to see if Justice League is fresh or rotten so now the other reason to watch this Ron tomatoes show to see the score whatever it's their prerogative okay the other reason is that Ron tomatoes owned by Fandango and so this is can potentially oh my god bigger conspiracies i they don't want to hold a score because they want more ticket sales and more money that's a that i don't believe that conspiracy only because that seems like a good way to ruin rotten tomatoes entire business like if you go to ron tomatoes and you go to the justice league page it says under the tomato meter follow rotten tomatoes see it slash skip it for the tomatoes meters score reveal at 12:01 eastern time these executives then they are all about the short-term thinking today's dome they see an investment they probably put 150 million dollars into just oblique or something like that and if it is as bad as it appears to be they're scared out of their pants they're gonna go to rotten tomatoes and say withhold the review I would I would totally no there's but that's it's wrong it's wrong yeah yeah yeah and it also they don't list any of the critics reviews on the page right now yeah there's no no inventory if I need the critics I'm use I could stomach the idea they aren't gonna put up a score but all the critics reviews are there all right looks like quotes you can you can link around not even that I think Rotten Tomatoes too much power not in terms of box office but in terms of like how we ingest and how we how we survey reviewers now you sound like a movie executive yeah they like said that earlier this year well Metacritic has the score has their score and their score isn't a seed skip it style plus thumbs-up thumbs-down it is an aggregate an average of the actual review scores and their score for Justice League and one take a guess 47:38 higher 51 51 percent still an F but a friend have tested Alan pan got to see an early review and he said if you take out all the bits with flash Aquaman and Wonder Woman oh if you leave in if you just like excise all the other bits where they're they're not in it was a pretty good movie and I was like yep that's what I expect waited flash and then a woman no they they he's saying that the flash Wonder Woman Aquaman bits are good Oh got it if you just take those but not just watch lows but see that the Batman was people said they liked him in Batman vs Superman they thought Ben Affleck wasn't the problem in that film yeah that's true but uh-huh interesting you know gal gadot went straight from Wonder Woman to this she had no twitch like no one had seen Wonder Woman by the time they finished shooting on this film so I that's interesting going to see it and she won't have a big head about it like she's just still her modest you know this is my first film no no there's also you know they brought Joss Whedon to do the reshoots and the little Zack Snyder leave departing from a film thing so there's just no awareness or buzz I feel like about this I mean I'm sure I'll do reasonably well I'll make money yeah you're gonna get but all this quite the rant in two weeks when I'm back on the podcast about this to watch it I am gonna go watch it next week yep I don't know I bet kids will like it because they're not as discerning it's kids I'm kids of terrible opinions they're they like you they like all this time like so much what I what I know I'm gonna be offended about is the DC source material for Justice League is so good it is so good they have give up come back you gotta give that up I know that I that that's I can't give it up okay they better not make any jokes in Justice League no it's not that it's not that at all now movies I hope people to watch and I can say I can vouch it's fantastic you seen it Disney Pixar's Coco you saw it I saw on Sunday what and I will not shut up I hate you we know people who work at Pixar and we're invited to a screening late in the weekend at Pixar oh that's great is pretty and it's great I definitely teared up I believe it it's on par with some of your you know the top tier Pixar movie it's so tough to say because visually I would say the movie that is closest to is ratatouille Oh how do you figure that so do you know remember the thing that struck me in the most ratatouille was like Paris and how they made Paris glowing and beautiful they make the worlds in this film injustice people yeah yeah get that for the trailer so that's that's what I wouldn't connect it most with and then ah gosh I would say it's closer to up than it is to brave so I'm in 10 minutes late that means come in 10 minutes late yeah me too in terms of the emotional resonance okay that's I mean that's great that's all you want from a piece in our movie the thing like I I'll see every Pixar film yeah but I'm curious about this one as a Pixar fan to see Lee Unkrich is second film mmm because I'm not the biggest fan of Toy Story 3 you're not even though it is there by far most successful film I think it's their only film to gross more than a billion now finally finding Dory must international at this point maybe there's a list on Wikipedia if so fine Toy Story 3 is up there and I'm not that big of a fan I felt like Toy Story 3 was made for the same generation as Toy Story 1 and 2 having grown up and I wanted to see another film made for the kids like where the bad guy isn't like just totally a bad guy that's so sorry for what Story 3 was the end the clip the closing of 3 was it great ok I don't want to get into that I'm just saying or I believe I'm gonna like this film more and I'm excited to see it wait wait this brings up a question what is your favorite Pixar movie me for everybody here Oh problem well I used to say The Incredibles because they were only like 5 or 6 films by then but now man I don't know inside out it's great so I'll say about this inside out up is Grizz is a movie that you can like use to teach your kids and there are some films that have like these themes they can use like teach your kids and I think that's one of the things that Pixar does really well is like they have these universal themes Universal life lessons like relations between your father and letting your child go or a mother and letting your daughter go and braver or respecting your heritage or a inner conflict or you know like there's total universal themes and I think Coco nails one of those oh well alright and so they it's like they stick the landing hmm so yeah it's weird Incredibles was hi oh my it was number one for me for a long time but I think it's wall-e it's Y see wall-e that they it's such a different film first half and second half I was floored by the first 20 minutes were first 20 minutes personal and then I kinda it's like I didn't like the first time I saw it it grew on me I grew me I liked it they had so many films now yes so many so many it's tough to do like a favorite or best out somebody made a point recently I believe I'm on reddit where they said that the Incredibles is interesting because in this if you take all the superhero films that have ever been made rarely do you see a superhero film where all of the characters use their powers together to create more powerful effects that's what justice league is supposed to be bringing it back to the current nicely done all right and so koku that's come out Thanksgiving and they didn't show the short that goes along with it okay so you gotta go see it I gotta see to go right yeah totally future movies coming out 2018 we have a teaser for Deadpool is that right Deadpool - yeah I guess you can't watch trailers I'm not gonna watch it I'm gonna spoil something for you it starts with Deadpool as Bob Ross the painter okay in a Bob Ross esque like in a full Bob Ross 1980s shot stylized he's painting happy trees for a while just being Deadpool and then it cuts to maybe 20 seconds of 20 30 seconds of actual footage and yeah that's why I'm not going to it's very Deadpool there is a lot of Deadpool sayings do not watch this teaser trailer with your children and uh yeah Deadpool Deadpool it I should finally watch Deadpool I suppose now whether your kids watch it for yourself alright biggest movie news this week because pop culture news last week last Jedi's not even out yet but Rian Johnson has been signed to spearhead to write in direct and maybe Ren direct all three who knows but definitely to create a new Star Wars trilogy going all in not just an in-between films one off a trilogy now this speaks to I think it's great marketing move speaks to Disney's confidence in last Jedi to really just push away sweep away all those rumors that they're unhappy with any of the cuts they turned in and their ability to work with him and their ability to work with young directors and yeah so how this will bear out remains to be seen like who knows who field they'll actually you know keep him around for all three of those moments but the hope is wow they're giving Han the reins of the extended universe to someone to create a new trilogy that's not the Skywalker's trailer well let's hold on here Kathleen Kennedy is proven that she's handing you the reins for as long as she's handing you the ring like a good mom yes the other thing is I want to believe that when the announcement came that it was full-on just like the end of New Hope with just like a scene of Rian Johnson walking down the aisle and Kathleen Kennedy as Leia putting the medal on him you are now bequeath the next trilogy and then r2 comes out and laughs and everyone smiled who doesn't get the metal well we kind of know it's it's Colin yeah so how do you feel about a trilogy about characters that you've never met before I love it great I love it but the big question is where the big it's a big universe one I mean I say anything Trevor I'm pretty quickly where which part of the Star Wars universe is it going to be is it gonna be primarily rebellion you know resistance and Empire or is this just something completely different I feel like it's gonna have Jedi this is like the thing that's gonna hold droids and Jedi or like the thing they're gonna hold the universe is together right or at least like a rogue one level of the force like you need the force need the force right and then what time I want to go future I know you don't to go back I mean Darth Plagueis like going back to that kind of stuff could be interesting but in service of having brand-new characters I think going forward is the only way you think that the end of last the third Star Wars film whatever it's called a philosophy I'd that will be the closing of the Skywalker trilogy like they're not gonna try to build franchises around rey bb-8 finn and i think it could be an offshoot of Ray or I don't think I could see Finn like he's not a the central character but he could cross over character yeah I don't want to see crossover characters hmm I want a completely new cast of characters hey if you're at it you know who I really want to see is Grand Admiral Thrawn get a series built around him who's that he's from the books and he was sort of like a incredibly tactically efficient whatever character okay yeah from the Empire okay yeah he was a Admiral that really turned the tide post Luke Skywalker and the from a book that is no longer can yes it was from the timothy zahn books so I would love to see him like it would be a very different type of villian it's like what Huck's is supposed to be and Huck's is basically just like I'm just standing here yeah I'll go with a Cutlass something just completely different yeah and that's why I feel like people aren't good at that and I don't know if it's because they want to pay fanservice they feel like the fans want to have those little nuggets thrown in like oh I recognize that guy or characters that you know come in and refer to things that you know when in reality they probably wouldn't be doing that unless they were truly legendary characters and they were referring to the ancient times we've done so much fanservice yeah and I and I'm with norm where I want to see a clean slate and it would be interesting to see what that would be set in the same universe you know where is the original Star Wars took a lot from you know Kurosawa films and westerns like and and you know you having the the high sand smuggler like these are themes and tropes that have been in Star Wars I want them to take take from other things mm-hmm you know like me or Ragnarok like pull the comedic bits it's happening or they won't pull the kirby pull the Kirby you can do it as an edit of Thor once it comes out on blu-ray with all the jokes cut out see what you think now if you're not into a ryan johnson the spearheaded new trilogy of Star Wars well you'll get more Star Wars because Disney also apparently has plans to create a live-action Star Wars TV show for their streaming service their Netflix competitor and that's when I decided I would sign up for it I mean and I'm sure I'm not alone Star Trek discovery not enough that's it it but but uh but Star Wars show on whatever Disney does and which my probable the Marvel films yeah right and all the Star Wars films that's that's a library right there that's ten bucks a month there you go I'm not excited about this you're not why because it'll be serialized because that's the trend right now yeah and I I think it's I think there's something to be said for building up anticipation for Star Wars just to have a movie every year the rebels I haven't really watched the cartoons well a lot of people love the cartoon and appreciate fair but I think there's no cartoon this is gonna be more serious now the same questions apply you're crazy you're gonna watch this no I'm gonna watch it but I watch a lot of bad stuff too okay right I mean and the same thing the same things apply for what they're talking about in the movies and this potential news show is that how much of a share universe will be in how many cameos will you see will you see cameos is gonna be more like Netflix Marvel you know with the defenders and that having basically started with loose ties to the films and now having zero ties to the films do you think that they'll leverage their connection to the Marvel masterminds who created the MCU in order to do the same for Star Wars here I hope not really cuz they've absolutely nailed it for for Marvel yeah that's because they have a roster of a bajillion characters already Star Wars doesn't have that Star Wars has the core characters and I think do something new not not try to force this this intermingling that of characters right and of a force I think that's what's not work with a lot of other studios and trying to create a shared universe from scratch without the characters that people love ready I got you somebody stands on its own and then think about pregnancy yeah I got it an office style take down of the building of the dead star that's it alright they're Jabba's palace sure oh god that would be it wouldn't it now if you're not in the Star Wars and then maybe the orville and discovery isn't your thing what you have coming up through Amazon is well Galaxy Quest the TV show Paul Scheer is working on this and he talked a little about their approach to direction I'm totally sold on this they're definitely taking the same kind of approach that like Blade Runner and even force awakens in setting it linearly it's X number of years after the original movie and it's in a universe where Galaxy Quest is essentially their Star Trek or Star Wars is as popular as Star Trek or Star Wars is in our world okay we're back when Galaxy Quest was made in 1999 you know nerd-dom fandom was a it's still niche now it's come exploded right so the approach you're taking is what if in Galaxy Quest the next generation like the follow-up of BSG version of Galaxy Quest like those are the people those are the actors and those are relationships they want to explore and wherefore they're like rock stars at comic-con so it's not any of the original cast they may have some original cast and it may be like there was one class place you know like what William Shatner like cameos exactly like though they're they're the the old guard Brian galaxy quest TNG makes sense and it's more like Galaxy Quest like discovery mmm or a Galaxy Quest like force awakens that's interesting right yeah I could relationship between Galaxy Quest explored the relationships between fans actors and the actors and the show's Iran in this kind of retro respective nostalgic view but modernizing it and fans relationships with actors and actresses with the roles are completely different today but that in the same way the original Star Trek now sort of appears somewhat campy and they played it that way in Galaxy Quest right next gen Star Trek was a lot more serious and and discovery of really serious so maybe the Galaxy Quest TV show that this new show is about is something that takes ourselves really seriously it's interesting all right I like it I like that they're going not just going back to the well and and doing something new with it Amazon also dropped a ton of money this this week on a new series that it's gonna be their game of thrones it's Laura the Rings but who Lord of the Rings Amazon so there was a bidding war apparently so the token estate and lots of news happening with the Tolkien estate this week apparently tokens son has now 93 years old has stepped down from the reins of managing the estate they settled that lawsuit they had a long-term lawsuit it was a Warner Brothers or whatever studio it was but they settled that line I don't know exactly who yeah but they were looking for suitors to produce a TV show and the asking price just for the rights for this was two hundred and fifty million dollars upwards of don't know the exact financial so the rumors are now that they were asking HBO flix Amazon or Hulu whoever had the money whoever had the pocketbooks to say give us two hundred to two hundred fifty million dollars just so you could have some of the lore of the Rings characters not even all of them not all of them weren't included and you could do a TV show and this does not include production costs so you're talking about doing a game of thrones like TV show that cost hundred million dollars a year that's a lot of money half a billion dollars for a long but but Amazon has the money and apparently Jeff Bezos says he wants his Game of Thrones so wanna spend the money and this could be their Game of Thrones what story do you want to hear from Lord of the Rings I've seen everything I want to hear there are six movies I mean I guess you could there's a 30 hours of Thor is there should have been four movies there I think something about saurons rise to power could be interesting mm-hmm because there is a lot of story there yeah but come on we all want one thing what Tom Bombadil come on Tom Bombadil got no play in the movies got cut out of the movies where is our bard singing songs did you read the books uh-huh yeah but I don't remember Tom Bombadil you didn't remember Tom Bombadil oh the greatest Lord of the Rings character of all time do you want them to reach read the Lord of the Rings no I think prequel is the only way to go though because where do you go after well here's the other question he's an Hobbit prequel yeah yes but there's more prequel the question I have is is what it involved if what a workshop in the look of the film Peter Jackson what a workshop is not involved then I actually have no problem with them retreaded in Lord of the Rings because the movie is two decades old now almost you know it's good and by the time this comes out it'll be 20 years old and then with a lot of fans who no no no okay all right it holds up so well movies but what no I mean I feel like the the the third one was the first movie where people thought okay the CG has come of age and it's amazing but I don't feel like it does hold up that well personally um the the first two are more about talking than they were about effects but characters yeah Lots yeah we call that story alright maybe Laura rings isn't for you but this has got to be for you other big franchises that got locked in Mario Oh what happened Mario is getting a new film oh no oh yes wait wait wait do we need a reminder of the last Mario film I put a link linear this is not the mario live-action film there's only been one right only been yes okay thank goodness this is an animated film and Nintendo has no relationship with Universal and illumination who makes these there you go Despicable Me & minion movies and you know it is funny because Nintendo has a relationship with Ubisoft has the rabbits and the rabbits are basically the minions of the exact same character that's weird and they did that crossover game this year yeah exactly so Mario already has relationships with minion like characters I don't expect full-on minions to be in this new Mario film but illumination is extremely successful they have a ton of money Nintendo has a great IP and I am interested to see what they do with a Mario movie mmm you don't think you'd want to show your kids this I don't I don't know what would be interesting about it I don't play them at the best part you don't know what you think would be interesting about it and so you're ready to monetize you want Cappy you would want to see Cappy on optimistic about this optimist Mario is about the gameplay has nothing to do with anything else gameplay doesn't exist in a movie what am i interested in show me toad captain toad all right good luck yeah impressed Jeremy for his kids for the sake of his kids you know kids will like it okay yeah they are not discerning kids are the worst yeah and and and one last bit of pop culture news out this week is Artemis Andy Weir's book and audiobook as narrated by rosario Dawson I have the audiobook I'll be listening to it over Thanksgiving I'm right with you and he's doing a book tour right now maybe visiting your town if you want to see Andy what are the early reviews like our reviews are great great and they really celebrate the world-building he does so the premise is it's about a protagonist who lives on the moon on a colony of the moon all say can't wait although say I totally cover my ears because I've been go spoiler oh sorry about that okay no no it's fine I actually knew I've heard a fair amount but I'm so excited about this the candles locked and loaded expectations are very high probably too high probably yes probably too high but he's had as much time as he wants to work on it yeah that's what's Muslim boy and he's apparently he spent a whole year just on mapping out how the the way that world works cool the you should have him in on still still entitled I think Adam and him are still friends but I would love to have him on still entitled I think it's more probably Annie's availability at this point oh sure I'm just post book tour I'm sure Andy won't drive up yeah yeah absolutely and I think that does it for pop culture news let's talk about some tech all right one more week into I phone 10 Jeremy how you feeling about it I disabled the attention to unlock feature really why not I'm not it's like that's a weird security concern I don't have so now I suppose I could be sleeping in my kids could unlock the phone all right that's true but I just wanted it to be faster it's a little slow so where we let you be the face idea do you think it's slow because I'm using it constantly I'm like it multiple times an hour I'm opening my phone and I just want it to be half a second faster when you say attention is disabled just to give me a picture of what that means it's still using your face but you don't have to be your eyes don't have to be looking at exactly interface yes so this is I think it's a tree we've actually been doing some testing at the office this week and hopefully we'll be shooting video later today about it try to really decipher how face ID the order of operations in which it works there are two cameras and there are two projectors on the nook of the iPhone all right there's your front facing camera which is just your standard HD camera your high resolution high frame rate and then there's a IR camera that can see IR light emitter wise there are two emitters there is what they call a flood illuminator and you can actually see this if you turn off the lights and you use a night-vision camera it's very bright it kind of floods the room in flashes of IR light and then there's what the dot projector which is what they made a big deal of in their keynote which is a emitter that shoots randomised sequence of 30,000 dots now not all 30,000 dots on your screen it's a really wide blast base on your face yeah and so there's the wide bus on your face and that probably aligned with the IR camera so the IR camera field of view can catch whatever the dots land on because if you had one that went beyond that field of view it would make any sense to be a waste of dots or waste of camera space and this order of events as we've kind of deciphered it is the flood luminaire blinks blink splink splink splink flashes it doesn't just turn on interesting yeah it's not a continuous sequence it links links planks and I think that sync'd up with the IR camera or the HD camera so it only captures images when it blinks yeah you know the reason it needs the blink is so can work in the dark right because then if you're if you're in the dark the HD camera isn't gonna see your say that's the reason why it is I are not white blink and yeah exactly okay that's the reason why it's IR so it lights up your face when it blinks and then the camera when it sees a face step one it has to recognize it to face then it will go to step two and it'll ask whether you're looking at it right the attention thing you kind of cut that out and what you in turning off there the attention feature so let's say for your phone it sees that a face and what we've discovered is that recognition of Quinto quarto face can be a photo doesn't need to be well how do you know it transitions to the next C because you see the dot Luminator pop-up so that doesn't happen unless it C is a phase that it's linear that's so strange and it happens like all within like half half of a second so if you watch our sequences and this will all be in video make it much more clear what you see is flood flood flood like face looks white everything looks white white white or very high contract right and then the moment it goes on to what it sees as a face a real face a photo of a face or even a life cast then flooded loominator they've started dot projector goes on and the DA projector all goes on once per test that's it blinks once doesn't combine flood with dot it's only only done yeah interesting and the dot gives you the def map yeah and then then it says face or no face and then it says you're a really person or person or no person that's cool the DA projector does not recognize a life cast okay so life cast will not fool it well and I think because of the record will affect ivities of skin versus like a plaster yeah we haven't tried with the silicone life cast but it my life cast will not fill it now the attention thing is a really interesting thing right like how does that work and I think previous weeks will be speculated no one actually actually written about this or kind of figured it out we thought maybe it does some computational imaging right like it tells you can see where your pupils are relative to where your eye is and like to figure out that it's looking at right looking at the the camera because it works with just one eye is the IR part doing that attention so this is what we that günther actually came with this and we think he's completely right its IR that's bouncing into the back of your eyes and reflecting it's cat eyes mm-hmm and so the eyes only work when you look directly at your IR source so you should be able to test this with sunglasses and you should be unlock your phone yep because sunglasses IR goes through and you can see but that's how that's the brilliant thing they can deduce attention because you because of the one way bounce back into the back of your eyes so we want to see if you like if you could fool with like an IR LED right right well I'm curious because the I'm sure I don't understand how it can detect the retina looking at you with just the dot projection no no the dot projection is after the flood of luminaid do you think it does the attention with during the flood yes oh okay okay cuz the attention if you have attention on it will not give you the dot illuminator unless you're looking at it I should bring in I have the sequence sorry sequence events is recognize that it is a face either 2d face or real 3d face that's no depth needed to attention which means does it see blinding white IR light bouncing directly back from your eyes into it yeah two glowing eyes and three then dot projector structure a face we just put up in our house one of our windows faces the east sun and gets a lot at the kitchen that it comes in two heats up a lot so we got this eye are blocking film to put in our windows I should bring that in because that'll help you test this cuz the IR LED may not create the kind of interference you're looking for exactly yeah and we tried like a perfect mirror yeah like you know using a spoon or something and it's I don't know if combines the the the bounce back with the image of the face and to say that it needs these two bright our spots right in the center of what it thinks is a face before activate stop projector but we haven't been able to to fool the attention yet the attention is like the magic part and it but yeah but you've turned it off you turn off the attention yes sir uh uh we've tried it with turning off the attention and photo of the face will activate dot projector right but still your life cast wouldn't life cast more them locked I saw there was a story about a child was able to unlock her his mom's phone yeah that was interesting I mean just I mean it's not surprising my kid was able to buy something on the PlayStation Network using the PlayStation Eye login right cuz the system thought that he was me I mean this is obviously that iPhone is a lot higher tech than the PlayStation Eye so we were supposed to not be able to do that unless you're an identical twin I think in terms of security nothing's gonna beat a passcode for a long time and and you know this is a combination that in the middle ground between convenience and security yeah and if you look back to when the first iPhone came out or when the first smartphones came out having everyone having something like face ID turned on by default which is probably more than what people how many people had touch ID turned on by default which is definitely way more than how many people had pass codes on by default so many people ran their smart phones without pass codes for a long time and this is much faster and yeah I may not be as secure as a custom you know 20 character one password style key but it works fast that's enough for me at least maybe not fast enough for Jeremy I live life a little faster than you just a little bit faster so that's been our testing with uh with iPhones face ID other tech news Firefox has a new version that's came out it's called Firefox quantum have either of you downloaded it what do you mean a new version a new a big release overhauled apparently it is it's Firefox 57 technically speed is its the biggest thing has a whole new rendering engine they call it quantum and they say it's like even twice as fast as the last version of Firefox which came out a couple one months ago so it's supposed to be faster than chrome the other thing is that I has low memory usage which anyone that's interesting yeah and then which means low battery usage also and the UI looks really good yeah I mean google also entrenched that they'd only have to make chrome fast and you people would stick with chrome because of the way it's tied into your passwords and Gmail and although the services use that's nothing honestly holding me back from using Firefox well Firefox also got bloated like the the just the UI around it about using extensions and whatnot got a little hefty so a simplified UI is a great way to at least claw back yeah Firefox was the chrome yeah it was the browser of preference to everybody Chrome yep all it takes is a vulnerability to get people to switch I don't I don't even think so I think people are clueless maybe what they want to use a thing that came built you know that they recognize name of their she's like somebody at Microsoft was doing a demo of one of their services using edge obviously yep and public demo and then they browser just like couldn't do it and you've has failed so he opened up a new tab and downloaded Chrome oh no Live installed Chrome and then went back to their internal mine is someone's getting you know that mine Wow going back to Apple and iOS a feature that people have been long waiting it's now in beta it is Apple pay cash a way for people with Apple phones to send each other money and like with PayPal or venmo I think it is this actually live or is it it's just beta it's just beta but I mean is it in the beta like you have to download the iOS beta to get it no no it's public beta in oh sorry it is in iOS 11 - beta - okay so you have to opt in using the beta program yeah because they don't put betas out beta features out I guess a they do pay the features out it's like runner mode one that's true that's a beta feature yes Siri for a long time yeah yeah yep so the idea is that you're a credit card debit card that's attached to Apple pay and you can just built into messages and there's you know the same type of fees that you would have with credit cards a few percent and no fees with debit card so oh so I can send money to somebody with no fees with with do direct if I use a debit card with debit card or a bank account which is how X square cash works so basically these want to take all the business at square cash and venmo have been have been doing it's interesting and with using the proximity sensors of you know NFC that's built into the phone do you know does it go into an account that you then have to transfer into your bank account or does it automatically no and I really hope that would be the way to do it because I hate the I mean that's how PayPal and venmo make money is they pay whole interest money and they make interest off and and and they stay like you can't pay with those account unless you manually specify they always pay from directly from your bank account and you can only extract money out yeah if you do it manually yeah I don't like that a feature that that is very popular on iOS and people use a lot that's making its way maybe on some the windows side in a future update is an airdrop like feature so from only Microsoft devices to other Microsoft devices windows the windows so like the reason there is a big pause is like no one has any window mobile devices well windows your laptops have on tooth I I meant like phone like where I find airdrop super functional is when you have multiple laptops that can just talk to each other and the phone yeah and Windows doesn't have many people on the phones I guess the surface laptops this is great yeah it's great I'm glad they're adding it I can't can't hurt no the problem is that most I mean I guess for people desktops do most desktops most most motherboards I guess they all die off Bluetooth most of them have bluetooth the radios now it won't walk over land like everyone doesn't work like even if you're it says the reports I've read have said it's a Bluetooth feature I would love for to be also Wi-Fi and we're also land but then if you're on land then it's just you're just moving files over network oh the UI is is there's a Missy bird sauce it's the UX like people don't want to open their network and like fine the other writers wanna say folder drop to this person Microsoft Dropbox their equivalent yeah Dropbox yep oh did you ever use a copy sir forms back there copy this predates like Usenet doesn't it is old of old school it goes back real it does it goes back to the 80s right or at least early 90s more back does Usenet go about that deep into the 80s CompuServe man that was like that was the service that was pre AOL that was the AOL before yeah well right like you would sign up you'd get a number that you dialed into CompuServe and that was just what people thought was I was via the Internet essentially it wasn't a bulletin board system it was a it was a whole set you know it's the thing you subscribed to you log in check your email well no longer oh well copy sir forums are being taken down in a couple weeks so I went when I heard about the story I went on to the CompuServe forums just to check it out there are active users that are still like posting stuff like which router should I get and like active actively getting help not many but they're still active users on the CompuServe forums after all these years wait like people who were once CompuServe customers or it's hard to tell Google's never taken me to CompuServe for a search why are they there I would I would guess they've been there forever yeah like you say all right it's not so bad though people are nice on here when's the last time you're on a forums and people were nice no not ready pretty rare now I want to check it out maybe you could bring her back it'll just transition do it I'm sure archive.org will take care of archiving everything there so that's good and then we didn't cover the story last week but it happened just a recording at Disney apparently is starting to take off and see these on some Disney I peed objects and Thingiverse well now I feel like this is a little overblown yeah now I I actually I don't know the details of this but and when I read that this was happening I went over there to like grab things and everything's still there a lot it's still there it's a lot of your heads like was it just one user I feel like start like Disney's always taken down some stuff mm-hmm but they're not taking down everything so the Lee girls call that was a flow holistic slow Polly stormtroopers and some of his were taken down someone's still up as you said it's yeah last check so some high-profile stuff I mean it would be easy if Disney really wants to their lawyers really wanted to make it all out sweep and that's been the fear ever since Lucas sold Disney right the rights to Star Wars they could just take a look at most downloaded or most popular most up voted and then just seen these top top 15 yeah but they haven't there's still some very popular things still there so but no one should be surprised if they do and the point remains that it's something that becomes enough if you're designing things that aren't your IP like they have the right to take it down even if you add a lot of your own art to it yeah even if you model it yeah yeah for sure but yeah but the thing is like Disney back when at least the rule under you know Lord Lucas was that if you weren't making money on it it's okay yeah that and that feels like it's supportive of this new technology that's emerging in support of the community if you act like that yeah so I don't know maybe maybe if you do see Star Wars stuff out there you don't want to assume it'll be there forever maybe you do want it down or maybe if you're making Star Wars stuff you can assume it stays up yeah there or give it an interesting name like the aptly named Fellini Amell can that is available one thing is that a real thing it is I have to look that up well another company making Star Wars stuff that's out this week is EA with Star Wars Battlefront 2 and a little bit of a controversy with the game a little bit just a little bit so this is a highly dissipative game you know a lot of people love the first battlefront and this one will have a full blown single-player campaign people also love the multiplayer I can't wait to play it but the controversy is in some of these or microtransactions or you could might even call the macro transactions and how much EA originally had priced some of these characters to unlock if you wanted to unlock them by paying as opposed to playing the game wait don't I pay for battlefront too you pay for the game I like full price right hey for the game and you could unlock the characters on your own time so I think it's like 40 hours or something to unlock like Vader or or like it takes a while yeah it's just like you know way back in the day if you're playing game like Battlefield 2 you couldn't get the nicest guns unless you actually earned them and it felt great to actually earn them but some people also like just paying for the unlocks and so the option is there and the outrage is in that pricing and the response to it was not great don't say so both the the official EA response and then the reaction to that response but it brings up the question of you know the complaints from some gamers and some people the community is that you know why does EA need more money shouldn't Eve doesn't the development cost get covered just by the the Box price of the game your $60 and the answer honestly is no if you look at how much games cost these days I don't know about that they could probably make the money back that they need in the making but they are a public company and they need to their shareholder as a way to to feel good about their their investment they're always gonna look for ways to earn more money and they're gonna push it as far as they can until there's enough pushback in order to make it stop so the line is wherever the line is ever moving you're saying the line is whatever whenever there is pushback so pushback is good then and an EA did step back and concede and lower the prices for the unlocks for some of the characters but only under heavy duty pressure though right right right so would you not have enjoyed the game Oh $60 oh I don't I didn't enjoy the first one because I didn't like even the fact that it wasn't an even playing field when but when a new player would join like oh so it's not hats it's actual ability the fact that it's not aesthetics that it's not just you know cosmetic accoutrements that I can unlock to make myself look different it's actual new guns and weapons and abilities like they are bad um jets and things yeah that other people have that are more experienced than me and they're more powerful I didn't like that that is felt like bad design mm-hmm now the people who play the game they say those things that you unlock they're not they don't make that big of a difference oh I did still felt like I was at a disadvantage and so I I would prefer something like overwatch where all of the unlocks are cosmetic well now you're gonna get a bunch of people who have paid for the high-powered flings and don't have the experience I don't know how to use the Jeff yeah that's all messed up yeah no fly into that salt like that the the reaction has been almost too far on some level like people are right to be angry and upset for a huge game like this to be so dependent on microtransactions yeah but at the same time the vitriol has really spilled over probably like a note too far yeah like people are calling ea and just threatening them throwing developers yeah and or the set poor people that seems like that's not the way it needs to be like yeah get a refund don't buy the game don't pre-order it that kind of stuff is how you get your message or don't preorder it yeah that's a big one my son my ten-year-old son has started playing a new microtransaction game called Magic the Gathering maybe you've heard of this my real-world microtransaction game well you're buying packs exactly and you know how many packs you can buy before you max out your character how many infinite it turns out well you don't have a character you have a deck you've a deck you know yeah you could buy your deck can be ever ever expansion exactly yeah right they figured yeah Wizards of the coast they figured out Michael Chen this is like does he like magic he's crazy about it you know magic players used to be shunned magic what magic players used to be shunned yeah I'm sure Lee was there in middle school when I actually yeah middle school when I was playing magic it was it was not the cool you have yards still yeah I sold all my cards okay it's name here I got I got one of my first posts on the internet was was when I was looking for to trade for a magic card that is still sort of infamous wow it's very jargon heavy I didn't know you both four players was it revised or no it was what's the Lotus card Lotus Black Lotus I've seen counterfeits in the wild that's the use me the most I said by inquest magazine see what the values of those cards were oh my gosh yeah I had no idea I played that Star Trek version of Magic czg yes yes yeah yes because Michael card game and I like you know about a handful of packs I hope that the game it was video star was one the Star Trek one was really great because you had you set up a like a like pre proto board game so basically it board games tabletop game you write the Star Trek one you set up a row of planets and then you have your ships and you basically travel around the planets and activate missions on the planets okay send some landing parties calm out with chips thank you Micro transit fond memories they're everywhere and I hate them I do I do you should be you should improve yours your character even if it's a video game you should improve yourself through hard work I believe that I believe video games can teach lessons like that and if you think if you learn the lesson that you can improve your character by buying it then that's not teaching anything not nothing I want the kids to learn take that last bit of technology news if you have a Nintendo switch which is right as of right now pretty up there in terms of like the best piece of technology this year you make a Hulu soon first piece of video on demand software Oh Netflix isn't on there yet no Hulu for Nintendo switch is coming alright either of you subscribe to you I do yeah I do as well is there still a free tier on the computer only I believe okay their new like interface that came out like a month ago is awful oh it is so hard to navigate so you might need a Nintendo switch controller to get around this thing because it is it's trying to do like personalized recommendations like Netflix does but its interface I think is is just terrible so this is great because people that have Hulu live TV now can have live TV on their switch that's right it's already out and netflix may be next who knows but it's nice value ads for people with switch rocket leagues out for switch to oh I imagine right now you won't be hearing from Joey for a while No no no does he have a switch you know I think so and then finally if you have an Android phone or an iPhone and you like Pokemon go na antics next game AR game real world game is gonna be Harry potter-themed this sounds cool to me that's real cool to me too I mean I'm more into Harry Potter than Pokemon you know I mean on the scale of things I'm into it's higher and I'm up for having Wizarding battles on random street corners in the middle of the night I took it yeah that would be actually like what if you can do different motions and it does different spells I mean Niantic doesn't change the option of the mechanics of the game going back to ingress there's only done two games I mean well so much of Pokemon go was built on top of ingress whoa this is a Pokemon Jim it's not a wizard school get out of here you wizards I'm ever catch a Pokemon all right I don't know it sounds good to me and I think that does it for technology news before we move on to our next segment I want to thank again the sponsor of this week's episode of this is only a 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for a moment of science right usually when I get push notifications from the AP on my phone it's usually bad news that last night though it's a little bit different we had our first case of scientists using human gene editing or gene editing in a human being it's in Chicago there is a gentleman there he's 44 years old he has a metabolic syndrome called hunter syndrome and Hunter syndrome is basically where he has a gene that is not functioning properly that doesn't allow them the ability to process carbohydrates normally and that sounds somewhat simple but it has some massive ramifications they faced like some basic functions don't work anymore and people with this disease usually die within a few years of caen emerging with this disease including like having ramifications like brain damage right now the treatment is this sort of infusion treatment that costs between a hundred and four hundred thousand dollars a year and it's not entirely effective at preventing the brain damage so especially mother for the rest of their life for the rest of their life most of the people that have this condition are bound in their wheelchair completely dependent until they pass away so he's sort of an outlier that he's lived this long with this condition and so they're trying an edit to that gene to correct this directly in his system we won't know for a little while if it worked but for a case like this this is what gene editing was born for this technology this is a person that clearly has a gene that's wrong that that is sort of that is mutated and we need to fix it otherwise he's going to die what's the mechanism to change a gene like that this is the CRISPR system where we basically take an RNA and use the caste system to find a specific area on a DNA strand and clip it out and replace it with something else but don't you have your deer DNA in all of your cells do they don't all need to be changed for him they have to be changed in a lot of play yeah that's incredible because he is an adult didn't in embryo it's a very different situation than your cells divide and proliferate that DNA that's been edited do give you a watch Adam and Neil deGrasse Tyson's talk at their panel New York comic-con where they discussed this at length discuss the ethics of gene editing and like you know a lot of some people grow up and we're talking about talk about life-or-death situations but you know it's how do you get avoid having how do you avoid having designer babies and what is that bare minimum that you wanted to make sure that people have I didn't watch this way and this is an interesting conversation because in this case I don't think many people have ethical concerns about this particular case none of these edits are ever going to go beyond this gentleman's body they're just there but when you start editing germline cells cells that actually pass on to another human now you're passing on an edit to another generation which is going to keep passing it on for generations to come now you have real ethical ramifications to discuss about the proliferation of that change I mean people say unintended consequences it also brings up designer babies which i think is actually a metaphor that's too far here it's really thinking about just the proliferation of edits like a butterfly we don't know how how far those will go it's sort of well hey isn't it real different when you think about if you if we edit DNA using a technology that's only five years old and it's gonna pass down generation to generation doesn't that make you feel just a little bit different about the technology then if we just edit one guy's DNA who's gonna die but you're not talking about procreation passing on you're talking about German changes that would potentially be passed on through the air no no no no germline means through procreation okay okay well that's okay I'm okay with that you know I mean if it's the right kind of changes I mean that isn't that what you want to change you don't want this type of thing to be passed on yeah but it when we're talking about diseases like this that's one thing we're talking about and you know norms DNA so he has blue eyes yeah I noticed I'm right that's not good but there's all sorts of stuff in between those two contacts from normal solve it I also want to highlight there and I'll put a link in the show notes the first-ever atomic spectroscopy movie of CRISPR in action so you can actually see the movie of it doing the cut on the DNA it doesn't have the special effects of like a wet a film but it's still pretty remarkable yeah to actually see it in real time over about 20 seconds actually see it actually enacted cut on the DNA when will we know if it's successful on this gentleman you mean yeah I don't think for a couple of a few weeks that's not bad great well tune back in alright do you ever watch Seinfeld I did yeah do you remember one Kramer went swimming in the East River Oh like he he got tired of swimming at the gym because it was it's too busy so he started going swimming in the East River he's he slept on a mattress and got all funky because who swims on the East River it's all full of crap so there's some truth to that the rivers around New York are pretty polluted there are wastewater treatment plants that sit on the edge of those rivers that push out they're treated water and even though it's treated it still carries pollutants in fact they push out anywhere from a thousand metric tons of nitrogen into the Bronx River each year this one plant the hunt hunt wastewater treatment plant well scientists have been working on how do we actually capture some of that so it's less polluted and clean up this river and one idea that relates to a upcoming science progress episode was actually using mussels for this mussels the the little bivalve creatures yep that are essentially water filters so they developed a mussel that is not it's not inedible but it doesn't taste real good let's just say it has like a secretion of this enzyme that makes it taste bad and they attach it around a six by six barge a little downstream from this wastewater plant and it actually picked up around like 60 pounds of nitrogen Oh and so they calculated out if you had like a little army of barges it would take about a hundred full-sized barges with these muscles just plant you know basically on the side of this that you could start to pull out meaningful amounts of nitrogen and clean up the river mm-hmm and then once those muscles matured you would grind them up and they would turn into chicken feed okay and that's healthy for chickens uh I don't know the answer to that but I don't think it's unhealthy for chickens but the idea is you have to essentially come up with a farm to grow new muscles to replant on barges all right I love the idea of this biological solution I like it I thought you were gonna go to fracking with this because I heard a shocking story on NPR about how the EPA there was a family who was their house was located near fracking you know plant and their son took a bath and was covered in this rash and turned out that fracking water had gotten into their their water Dan and and the EPA had these studies that they had done that showed that there were potentially devastating biological effects to fracking solutions the water that's used and and they hadn't released these findings hmm I don't know this particular story but those fracking fluids that Jeremy is referring to are usually they inject additional fluids beyond the water into yeah the frack to create higher hydraulic pressure down there to actually induce the actual cracking of the the shale or whatever they're trying to crack down below and those fluids are supposed to be collected either in these these sort of like you know sludge ponds or just sort of recycled through the system but once they're down in those pockets they can get added to the water treatment table depending on how the crack works and then they come up in different quantities so it sounds like in this case a pretty high concentration came out yeah parently in this case actually there was some legal dumping of the water involved too very bad news but the fact that the findings weren't released about what this these chemicals can do to the human body as well seems like Erin Brockovich kind of stuff there's that's for another moment of science yeah I can talk about that because there's a lot to say about that okay quantum computing we've heard about it so the basic idea of quantum computing is instead of ones and zeros we can have a one hmm zero yes or a one in a zero at the same time quantum superposition you mean a ten not a ten with it they need to teach this in kindergarten where kids are just like okay yeah yeah sure that makes sure quantum super visitors and it's fine so at a low number of quantum bits or qubits that's not a big deal but that scales exponentially so at fifty cubits because of the exponential scale you can essentially do the processing of ten quadrillion bits that's a huge number the reason that number is important is because that is not ten quadrillion bits you can do ten quadrillion states the important number is that's the number that's seen as passing traditional computing power mmm so if you can get to 50 cubits you're there I was at an IBM lab you know two months ago where they're developing this and they're they're publicly available and you can actually use services that interact with this they've released a cloud product that interacts with an eight qubit system and these quantum computers by the way they look like these these kind of weird tiered devices where they're pumping helium 3 through it to cool it down to like near zero and essentially have a wire that's passing through this area where current doesn't flow in one direction it flows in both directions at the same time to create the superposition effect which is real weird and it only happened near absolute zero Wow but anyway so these weird-looking devices and there's a race now for what's called Kuan quantum supremacy which is what I was talking about yeah is this idea of whoever can get to 50 cubits has beaten what traditional computing can handle and so Google IBM Intel and a number of academic labs from like Yale Stanford a bunch of other places are all in this race and they all release except Intel all released papers in the past two weeks about where they are with this are they all using the same techniques for the most part I mean there's lots of like very technical differences but they're essentially their build is the same because they all have to use the same cooling idea and are they sharing the information with each other yeah I mean they're publishing papers so they're not hiding but they are hiding information too like they're not actively sharing information to get there because there's a lot of money at stake right but this is not gonna be anything that reaches even consumer hardware anytime well like I said like you can use a cloud service and interact with the IBM eight qubit machine right now it's not coming to commercial processes the idea of these quantum computers is never to replace conventional processors it's to do tasks that conventional computers can't do and these papers are really interesting because it shows that Google came out and said they're at 49 oh wow we haven't reached yet IBM said they're at 50 and Google came back and said no you're at this like kind of hybrid 49 state and it's like there's like there's just like crazy smack-talk going back and forth about about this and so there's also some physics limitations it isn't like Moore's Law where it's like oh 49 to 50 you'll just do that tomorrow but they are really close to getting there I want to see a rap battles of history from these guys and that's it the moment of science this week the VR minute virtual reality this week bunch of news in VR the sweet let's talk about hardware we have of course from Facebook the oculus ago that no I don't know if developers haven't yet but they should they said before in the year and that's gonna be released next year but on the HTC side we'd also been waiting for a headset they announced with Google the daydream their daydream headset now that headset is going away no no more HTC daydream headset standalone headset and instead what we're gonna get is a vibe standalone headset six degree of freedom now a bunch of caveats it's no you're at Asian markets only not American markets no details on other specifications in terms of resolution like a field of view or that stuff but what they did say is that it's six degrees of freedom inside out tracking that will run games on vive port and is all this is basically it sounds very much like a Santa Cruz type equivalent it runs on a qualcomm mobile processor 835 processor what's their release timeframe they haven't said yeah now the other thing that's worrying me a little bit about this is the controllers are three degrees of freedom controllers not six degrees of freedom which others the headset will let you move around in positional space yeah your hands relative the headset just rotational movement yeah the Santa Cruz are tracked they are tracked and so but I think they want to get out ahead of Santa Cruz so hopefully we'll see something interesting next year because this is mobile this is not steamvr okay it's this stuff just through vive port yeah I don't know I don't feel like we're gonna probably end up getting one of these do you in terms of like next year or just I mean he had said tested just because there it's it's not okay it's not for our mark is not far more and um you know I they're not interested in our opinion it's ours now this week actually today as recording this if you have invested in a Windows mix reality basically Windows VR headset which they are more in half a dozen out there right now including even the Samsung Odyssey you will be able to tap into your steamvr today steamvr beta access November 15th no way yes way wow that's actually a big deal it isn't it see that's what's been holding back to Windows mixed reality and I mean it's a month old at this point if that yeah so that's not like they've had chances like have anything happen to them but it is a big deal that you now have access to all these Steam games yes all users it previously is just for developers and probably developers to get their systems test up so tweak see if they need to tweak their games and tracking to work with the range of these headsets but you could navigate to the VR hub and select from the steamvr software and and activate it we'll be testing this extensively almost we've been waiting there's not a lot to do in the window is the Cliff House yeah there's like not even a lot of VR dedicated apps so so is there supposed to be a hundred percent compatibility across we don't know steamvr we will have to try yeah well the try is a lot of our classics alright the windows mix reality is an interesting product it's certainly this setup is the easiest I've seen yeah you know I mentioned Coco earlier and there is a new Coco experience VR experience that's now on the oculus platform so if you check that out did you ever try the Blade Runner one I did not get a chance to try the play yeah yeah okay do you think this model of releases related to movies is gonna catch on totally hasn't it already I mean I know what's happening yeah that's not what I mean is I don't know if the community response has been a lot of enthusiasm with it I don't know if like if that's a part of their if they care you know it's just like they're getting these things out they must use them in some official capacity somewhere at some red-carpet event like they must just have VR headsets and people try them in line or they show them off they must like them for some reason that has nothing to do with what reddit thinks hmm you know that's my assumption because they keep coming out and I haven't seen an amazing one yet it'll be ready player one that'll be the winner yeah that doesn't worry 5 yeah yeah and then I think you'll be disappointed with the Coco thing whoa no with the with the ready player the presentation is yeah is the Oasis and you're not gonna get the Oasis there was something for super 8 that was like the first one that ever came out where like there was a developer that actually did some worked with valve or like used their their engine to make a super8 thing and it was it was good like for the time it's it was a really surprisingly good like you it was just a story but it was interactive that you walk through the space and you see a monster in a train and that's scary no so it can be done now if you're one of the early adopters of hololens you may want to try this out a developer has ported over the game from the Star Trek TNG episode the game yes yes that's why did this take so long do I don't know well because the in the actual game you are tapping into your brain synapses and your emotional state and hololens doesn't do that they're due to it they do so it looks like a chess board and like these flute things come up and unless the crusher gets totally run will run will and we don't recommend like you know quick flashes of light from an android as a yeah way of breaking away from the game why hololens because that's what it was a protect it was a holographic projection yeah I know but like Hollins is a professional product who has hololens well developers who have them want to make things of you with them this is great this is like I want to play this like adventure like you know but when you had a mainframe and you could play a game on it like that's what this is you do have to actually attach a biometric sensor to your thumb that you can you can hold on to so it does get your international state where do you get that from low stress and on his website you go to Rob Burke dotnet you can see him actually you can see some video footage of what it looks like from that perspective that's great yeah can't wait and then finally in VR news oh you see this um haptic shape illusion video that was on YouTube researchers I want to say in Japan mm-hmm I'm gonna be totally getting that wrong haptic shape I don't know what that means yeah University of Tokyo yep oh I did see this yeah so they be do experiments whoa there you go they're developing accessories and the idea that how do you create the illusion of holding up something like a big sword yeah when you have something when you don't want to actually hold a big sword in in the real world and it's all relative to other objects so they can fool your brain thinking you're holding something that's larger than it actually is by shifting the center of gravity and center center of mass writing and creating something with equal or close to mass yes yes so with heavier weights and they 3d prints and prototypes and they did some line tests and some VR tests you can hold something that looks like a ping-pong paddle with the weights closer to the top of it and they'll feel like you're holding a sword yeah that makes a lot of sense so if that's true we should be able to do this with a blindfold yeah totally now of course you don't get the same type of like know what is the visual feedback of it yes yeah also you don't get the wind resistance and like you're holding this thing and I think lightsabers doesn't make sense cuz all the weights in the hilt anyway the idea is that the blade is zero away photons don't weigh anything you don't know that you don't know I don't know that I don't live in a Star Wars universe but it leads to thoughts of like what if you could create a accessory where the center of mass could shift like the name of the master maintains the same but even if to up and down then it could look like you could have it represent different objects of different sizes by having some type of dynamic shifting of mass I don't know like you'd really only need that if it was supposed to dynamically shift in game if you must keep different spin holding an ax a heavy ax that you're swinging versus a light sword no I see what you mean when you switch weapons yeah it wouldn't take much to do that I mean those those old-school scales that you do where you shift the the weight balance are the same basic idea mm-hmm something else coming out so a couple releases this week you have Skyrim VR for our psvr that's coming out this week it's $60 you guys think about that for real yeah man all right I mean you know it's Skyrim if you haven't played it it's a there skyrim there's a lot of content there but I don't know if the experience is gonna be worth all that much I don't think Skyrim will be better in VO I don't know I mean I want to play fallout in Viewer I don't it's something that game will be better in VR why because I think looking around helps you in that how does looking around help you in in Skyrim I don't you don't need like that that field of these the weirdest comparison I mean they're the same game it's just one sort of post-apocalyptic and ones fantasy I feel like there's much more stuff coming out right right I mean I do like the building stuff in Fallout and that but that might be interesting in VR that you know building around you looking like the matrix but I feel like all like want to do in Skyrim is walk around and look around because that world is so much more beautiful to me than the fallout world it is more beautiful alright and then the other big release this week is from other Suns and we played a little bit of it I'm gonna play we're gonna play more last night what happened no one no one reached out I was at my computer you didn't reach out now you reach out you do all right we got to play more I play more I got to get cash or got now that you've heard of time he's you in there must get to earth yes and you know the game is a little bit buggy some of the AI doesn't work as well but from other people said it gets much more difficult when you get closer to earth it's a promising experience I dig it you understand the premise not at all roguelike first person three-person multiplayer game co-op you're on a ship and you travel across the galaxy oh alright yeah a Firefly simulator yeah three of us can soul can hold a spaceship and we can we can rescue other people from Pirates we can defense radiations when we can teleport onto the other ships we can defend our ship from dissipations bridge crew where you have different stations yeah there are three stations where we have tactical comms travel and there's some PC interaction but it's it's a roguelike so we gotta get that earth gotta make it alive yeah can't wait to play the going back to Fallout and Skyrim the one thing that would keep me from playing these is lack of social multiplayer like fallout if they I mean I know they can't do it because it's the design in a single-player game but if Fallout or Skyrim is successful and Bethesda has opportunity to create a multiplayer open vrj RPG in VR I would eat that up and there's no reason they couldn't simultaneously develop for flat-screen consoles and just have multiplayer in whatever the next Elder Scrolls game is whatever the next fallout is and then pour that over to VR I feel like at the same time we are still at a point where there just aren't the player base there isn't the player base and support a multiplayer game like that you don't need the player base you could design a game I mean just like on on console games those games are perfectly fine as single-player games but if you give the ability just build in this the base line structures didn't have a second player there for combat for just the chat with someone explore the world yeah that adds so much nobody field only so you don't you just spent Skyrim plus multiplayer in Fallout Plus multiplayer yeah that's why I know I didn't only want oh I don't need open world I don't in the MMO mm-hmm don't need mm oh just like a 2 or 2 or 3 or a 4 player fallout alright say please please this week hey what have you guys been testing what have you guys been testing hmm I got my fold scope kit in this is a paper based microscope I think it was in my favorite things of last year they came out with their professional kit it's the idea of making a 50 cent microscope that can go to third world countries and we'll be doing a video on it so that's great Jeremy you still have China challenges a are your kids still playing it oh no that I forgot to mention them I have it so I was asked oh we they said oh we have this still I think yes yes we still have this so they will be playing that again but okay not recently I I think I don't think that's that bad of a game like I don't know like we put up our projections review what yesterday or Monday yeah and people like no that's not for me I mean it's not for everybody but if I was a kid and I had access to this at Christmas time I'd play it for like you know days and days Thanksgiving it's gonna be very popular yes giving yeah we got in didn't bring it into the room today we got we got our G bow every day of going in the office and Bo does we'll know what's here I don't think we'll notice here I'm sure he's yelling from Pacifica right now we got to bring Welland to interact with the Gebo uh it's not as a it's not as capable as an Alexis or even a Cortana yeah it's a little slow in its responses its text-to-speech is I think fantastic and the limited things it can do well it does fairly well you kid people don't know what Jibo is geebo was a robot a home robot that was announced before the Alexa came out and was it I believe an IndieGoGo project so for $400 you could the promise was to have your own digital assistant home robot but it was designed by robot Isis who had lots of experience with human-computer interaction human robotics interaction interesting and so it's not like the Alexa in terms of looking like a static display it has a light has a ring light to know when you're talking it is stationary and a stationary you can run it on batteries or you can unplug it but it animates as a it has his face it rotates well and it has a screen it's a face when your screen honestly could be OLED but yeah it's kind of like Eve from Wally yep it's a rectangular screen doesn't blend perfectly into the shape but it's two axes of rotation are charming as hell yeah and it can spin 360 yeah that's kind of my limited interactions with it we're like if the content on the screen was better yep this would be if it could happen Alexa yeah it would be amazing Amazon doesn't let you tap into Alexa voice only you have to use a button so you can't activate it by saying the magic word if you're at your third party well that's a problem yeah well I mean maybe like okay they could bless it like they could say okay you guys can do no no I'd be okay even if it required a touch because it has a touch screen but I don't like the touching its head to make it stop yeah feels a little parental yes but even when you're not actively talking to it though let's kind of look around how is that the passive animation that makes it feel alive I really dig it I don't think it's worth it but I really dig it like what can does it know things so I can I ask you to Wikipedia things you can ask it to you cannot read the news sports scores timing of things restaurants near you weather weather or does that read out on the screen it does in addition to I actually know some of it does not all if it does it has a camera so can take pictures of you there aren't a lot of the ideas I it'd be great if we do games like if we could do games with children yeah like Simon Says door that kind of stuff like even simple things there's a lot of potential here yeah but they were more caught up in there just getting this out to people who'd backed it who'd paid a couple hundred bucks for it cool so I think you and Angie both should do the podcast next week it would definitely be here for the podcast next week all right looking around quite frankly you'll get better reviews than on me and Jeremy you guys I look forward to next week will be the special guests will have a special guest in the podcast that does it for this week though this is only a test be a lot of lot of things to talk about Oh hey tonight the new mythbusters' relaunches yes yes on science channel on science you know I'm gonna I'm gonna actually check it out I don't know how many other people are getting I believe the first act of the show is on Facebook on their Facebook channel - if you wanted to watch that online on your phones but next week is Thanksgiving I know Jeremy nunca sure both traveling next week yeah we'll see you after that but over me on on CNN one of the in those videos of people storming stores forming storming Best Buy kiosks at airports yes got to get those earbuds got to get those battery packs and I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving but I'll be here to see you guys and we'll chat next week about all sorts of things do we have an outro this week well you know I can't find the new one so we'll have to go back to that but alright we're going to go with an old one well no it's not five days old from Michael buoni get the balls in his mouth all the balls come out of his mouth this is turning into but there are Oh our hands I don't know all right and so it did God all right byethis week's episode of this is only a test is brought to you by the fine folks at Squarespace where space makes it easy to turn your idea into a new and unique website showcasing your work blog or content you can even sell products and services of all kinds in just a few clicks you can customize everything from the look and feel to settings and products using beautiful templates created by world-class designers and there's nothing to install patch or upgrade ever in fact if you're getting married and you're in charge of making the 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event how'd it go to 18t Park yeah we do a big hands-on day at AT&T Park where all the universities and Science Museum's come together to host a free day where you get to interact with scientists and do activities it was great at the right time oh yeah I was one of the 1300 yeah Jeremy and Peter yep and I was amazed like you don't pay to get into the park this doesn't happen it was amazing you shouldn't have to pay for something it's fantastic like I showed up and I got through security and then I was I was floored like I was able to walk out onto the baseball diamond that's the thing that's the thing that I think surprises people because you know like for example at comic-con sometimes companies rent out Petco Park which is San Diego's ballpark for the Padres and but really they don't use the field I use the mezzanine area where the concessions are AT&T Park you actually have tents and events on the field do people go just to say they go on the field and run around and throw baseballs sure but what we do is we put a telescope between second and third base so they have to stop and look at the Sun so it's like it's like you can run the bases but you're gonna learn by yourself and you know no one gets blinded that was great Wow 30,000 people congratulations that's fantastic it's awesome it's seven year we do it and I think it works partially because we do it in a non traditional science location so just like you said some people are baseball fans that come out and tough luck they look around after running the bases and they're surrounded by science got to learn now dude also has a camera crew following him around that projects him live under the big school Wireless yeah system yeah so throughout every half hour I was doing hits to the scoreboard where I would show up and be on audio throughout the ballpark like showing off exhibits I definitely do not have a career in that you're know ample evidence you know Amy G : the home fans and no t-shirts and you should have seen how flustered I was when I was trying to talk to the scientist who was dissecting a sheep brain I'm like I'm not sure how to go how to do this take a sure we have like half a dozen sheep brains in our fridge oh yeah I should take those back oh I was actually well impressed because there is a better one-second delay from when you speak to when it comes out of the loudspeakers which you hear clearly oh so you get psyched out so he just talks through himself like you have to ignore yourself it's really hard you know there's this phenomenon when you hear yourself played back to you especially if it's on a delay you won't be able to speak anymore you start to slow down or or you chant you change your speed accordingly and so I had to fight through this by basically like looking like basically shutting off my ears by just focusing on like a faraway object of Messiah I'm not hearing this I was like humming in my head you talking about zero self-awareness yeah I think my wife says I have that that's very zen yeah so in addition to that event there was another event that happened this weekend Jeremy you were at you were at the day of the devs day of the devs is the annual independent Games Festival held here by Double Fine I guess I don't know if they hold it but they certainly sponsored and helped run it and that's actually in the same neighborhood as the ballpark just south of it in Dogpatch and I took my son as we always do and had a great time the quality of independent games my friends I am more impressed than ever like I've always thought independents were cool but I've always felt like there were some compromises being made and to an extent there's always going to be you're not gonna be able to afford the big-budget vistas and the high-res textures geometry the things that take brute force and man-hours but the game quality is just as just as enticing and the innovation the innovation and the graphical aesthetic that the independent games have embraced is not just 8-bit like it is wide-ranging it is and it is consistently beautiful now and I I'm just I'm I love that this has happened like there's no more compromises any favorites jump out you there is a VR game that I got to play that was actually debuted there called the rig then they're actually a local team so we hope to bring them in to talk to us at some point there was I got to play UFO 50 finally which is the game by the maker of spelunky uh-huh and for other developers they came together they're making 50 games and they're combining them into a single package and they're all likes nests maybe nest style and but they're complete games like they're saying they're not minigames they're full games there's 50 of them and you'll pay a full price for them and like what what amazes me is about this is not the product it's the design of it it's like how do you not get lost in one of them like if you're a developer and you have to make well maybe each of them is making 10 or 15 games how do you not just fall in love with one of them and go deep on it and make it so much better than the other ones so that that's amazing to me so I did ask him about that and he said that the developer of spunky and he said that they designed them all ahead of time and that they just stuck to the designs of the of the games that they had written down which to me is just speaks of tremendous discipline is this a thing that was open to the public - totally and also free so lots of good free events this past weekend oh my gosh that's awesome um would you do norm well I drove to LA that's not free it's not free I drove to LA at like I started driving at 9:30 p.m. on on Thursday night yeah and yeah and then got there 4:00 a.m. some people go to bed then I know I know you wish you're on the sleep bus thank you yeah I totally wish I wasn't asleep but I drove down with Danica and Ripley and we did a couple things in in the LA area over the weekend one we stopped by a prop store so a prop store of london del sol la warehouse you know we see them at Comic Cons and a bunch of other pop culture conventions but they have an upcoming auction that we want to check out with a video that soon of almost entire e of costumes and props 400 lots of costumes and props from the JJ Abrams Star Trek film so oh yeah I touched on the original Star Trek great I know JJ Bree yes the first two Star Trek 2009 and star trek into darkness not Star Trek beyond which I love those costumes that Justin Lin had made up but I handled a lot of props and is very very and you you already own the Innova sure I do from that yes and I was very impressed by what a how similar the quality was there's definitely some differences in the stitching and even just a little bit in the fabric feel but I think they got really close at least with this one but it was really cool to see things like the Kelvin uniforms a lot of the dress you know some of my favorite costumes from the Star Trek films are actually the cadet uniforms in the formal uniforms I think I think they have a really nice nice silhouette to them and then the phaser is like you know the phaser where you press the button and it goes from stun to to kill what they all do that yes yes okay but they had one that was on the hero one on camera actually functioning functioning mechanism it was a real phaser that you could kill somebody was totally set to stun be very careful where you point that out did you and that's where you interviewed the the model maker who made them no no no so that was a separate event and the primary reason we went to down to LA was to visit designer con which is my favorite convention of the year it's at the Pasadena Convention Center where there Saturday and it's basically artists design toy designers collectible designers sculptors who set up boots and I always describe it as that you know when you go do like a running a craft fair or bizarre bizarre bizarre bizarre and you see like the three tables you like if like the screen printed art or like the custom sculpt sand the rest are soaps and and you know woodland creatures like this is those three tables but 500 tables which is and couldn't see everything I wanted to I'll give out some highlights or put our videos this week but yes like you mentioned extraord head studio then they had fabricated the the headdress that Cape lunch it wears in the thor ragnarok it wasn't for all the scenes it was for the promo photos and it was stand-ins for some of the scenes but beautiful beautiful she actually wore it it's gonna be the new Starbucks logo yeah the finishing on that in particularly home I mean and then the fact that it's you know it's it's all they call it grown so it's kinda interesting like the the special effects industry they don't say they just can't say it's 3d printing but they say it's grown really yeah that's their that's their Parlin it's like well how was that made you know sales hand-sculpted or you know that was cast that was grown okay yeah can we can we start saying that we could totally say sir I'll show think about that why do you think they say that is it because like there because printing is already so associated with like textile printing and by plotting and or you think because those good mystique to the the way it comes out of the printer is it separating from the amateurs like 3d printed is the word that you know anyone can use no I like vaults like fewer syllables 3d printed four syllables or groan yeah it's just brevity I like it though like I'm just hearing it more and more but how'd you how was that made I was grown I'm Sean's charlesworth a grown expert yeah I don't know I didn't ask Jose Fernandez about that but did chat with him who's he's the founder of iron hood studio you know sculptor of things like the Batman costumes from the the Joel Schumacher days the Catwoman costume formatting returns last year you went he had the black panther helmet he Allah who don't they do fabrication for Black Panther for spider-man all sorts of stuff nothing was just magnificent person but that's like part of most high-profile thing there's a lot of independent filmmakers there are these two guys there's in LA designers ones a hand sculptor ones a blender sculptor and they together made a 70 piece kit Hoverbike kit garage kit what are you talking about and like I guess I got one-eighth-scale model kit okay and they grudge kit totally hand cast all 3d printed parts it's in Scranton it's all open source software they use what do mean I have a bike lately Jed I think it's their own design completely their own design I'll show you picture of it Jeremy so you have a quick reference but looks looks like that looks like very from out of akira or something yeah futuristic Honda bike wicked but everything like this is something that if they have you have 3d designing skills most 3d modeling skills if your day job is working for a video game company or even you know previous for a movie studio you can make your own toys and you can make your own model kits yep and they've had six of them they were printing they were casting parts of that morning bring him in and they sold out at the show so super happy for them I met up with a guy who designs keyboard key caps okay then you have some experience with this because yeah yeah we have a friend Ryan or brow food makes he makes custom cases milled cases chassis and also has made key calves but this guy his whole business is modeling in ZBrush 3d keek keek apps custom key caps for your Escape key for your pause key and then printing them on like a form - mm-hmm a principle time he grows them grow somewhat grows him on a form to paints them and sells him at like 10 to 30 dollars a pop I think that's pretty key a key well now they're treated like they're not straight off the printer right like well he'll nice nice painting jobs on some of them the straight ones off the the printer which are super clean there's some and I'll show you some there's a video coming up later this week about this but like he like skulls we can see through like the jaw and holes in the eye using a form to for it using the form to and the resolution is just enough that you can get all that detail and that's really smart I I'm always impressed with he will come up with smart businesses that rely on existing infrastructures like keyboards right or you know music collections with the iPad and there are tons of mechanical keyboard fans out there who want who like their signature thing is not only the key caps they the custom caps with the rest of typing keys but like but one accent key in the top right or top left of their keyboard yeah and and the fact that this guy can quit his job as a cg artist and he thought he's that successful when he keys his to but he twitch streams 3d modeling like this tutorials yeah and then he makes keyboard keys live in the dream and his canvas is this 3/4 inch by three-quarter inch thing which is right like that's a that's his canvas all right it's super cool quick quick tangent you since you mentioned Hoverbike did you guys see the real-life hoverbikes oh my god speeder bike you mean yeah speeder bikes from Star Wars people built like a case of a speeder bike around either like a motorcycle or an electric bike and drove them around New York so that they're obscuring the wheels they're making it look like they're hovering but like the mirrors pretty good illusion yeah it's a it's a really great illusion and the the best bit is basically it's two rebels on a bike like Luke and Leia and they eventually pass a like a stormtrooper just sitting there hanging out just eating his lunch on it that's and then he like just takes off after that I love it there was somebody who did it was Aladdin on a floating magic carpet wouldn't that Casey nice that no no that what no he did like no no no you're a snowboarding thing yeah oh no no he was Aladdin on a yeah but it was basically using a boosted board beneath the magic carpet it was pretty pretty convincing same idea I did see Thor by the way right oh you did yeah I liked it we were gonna talk about that in our next segment one more item hey guys Black Friday coming up next Friday cuz sure now I'm you know Alliance I do you are the only one left that likes Black Friday millions of people that go out for tea what are the things you guys are looking at for this year I'm traveling on Black Friday I'm going to see family in Florida and I'm flying back that day so I think I'll miss out on the madness it's all weekend now it's just you know Cyber Monday whatnot you'll be fine really though yes really do I not should I go to Black Friday at the shopping mall inside the inside the airport that's funny they're gonna have it I know I know they won't know they want the best by kiosks will remain the same price especially a high travel weekend come on no it's a mother still me no mom delighted the best my kiosk would be amazing TSA Buster's do I should I should just pack a tent and put up a tent outside the Best Buy kiosk in the mall in the airport there you go that's it's great how are we playing music now alright let's go to a pops culture all right so we have a lot to get through um let's quickly talk about Thor you saw it we don't have to it was we came up okay so I said I'd saw it yeah and I did like it I was surprised I mean I did I liked it it's not my favorite like Marvel film ever but I was surprised after I got home I was getting on Twitter and I saw a friend of mine like a good friend Sam who works at AI again Sam Claybourne it's his favorite Marvel film you know Wow it's so different I think a lot a lot of people felt the same way when the first Gardens Galax came out because it was the tonally it was so different yeah this one being just a 180 from from Thor 2 which was super serious this one being just so much fun yeah you had said that you didn't like all the banter like all the jokes just kind of like in yeah I thought it was a little too kameen for me I liked that because I didn't care about the film now I imagine if you go into these films and you are you are invested in these stories these comic book characters and you want to see these like taking a little bit seriously that could happen and if any if there's anybody did this to Star Wars I would hate it you know I don't guess what guess what Jeremy it's gonna it's gonna it's good I know will yeah yeah it's it's don't theaters a totally ton of fun this I think fun is is yeah whatever I'm saying about it uh all right let's get to the big pop-culture news this week and unfortunately we don't have will today but Will Smith is needed by Will Smith when yeah that's always the case oh the Wills mitts are needed by Will Smith so Will Smith the actor apparently has a deal with Netflix he has a movie coming out Netflix coming out soon blight I want to say it's called bright bright bright maybe it's David is directing it it's like training day A+ magic and and he has more projects with Netflix maybe a TV show and so he posted on Twitter through the Netflix Twitter handle that if your name is your name Will Smith kidding if your name was once if your name is actually Will Smith please see below for an urgent message Will Smith is calling out anyone's name who's Will Smith to do what we don't know to collaborate with him in some documentaries some TV shows something so breaking news from our Will Smith's twitch stream last night he divulged that he did respond mm-hmm and also said please stop tweeting at it please stop adding him about this did respond and Netflix gave him some instructions but he's not sure he has time to go along with this Oh turning down the one thing his life has built up to you know it could be like just it it could be something silly it could be something like just to make a video of yourself like birth of his child forget it I mean marriage forget it at starting your own business forget it here's your moment Will Smith at Will Smith all right well I can't why I hope he's involved in that I think I'd be cool to see Will Smith's collide how did you I think I think our Will Smith is the fourth most famous Will Smith - I was gonna say second what no no so okay fine yeah we would know who's number one there's the defensive end for the New Orleans Saints whose tragically murdered my god and then there's the current baseball player Will Smith well hey and I think sports sports Trump's VR started it for you maybe me okay bye okay fine not for me fine all right we hope something comes of this we were gonna be waiting waiting with bated breath to see that the Will Smith collaboration it's gonna be it's gonna just be like the HBO documentary the the what we call it Defiant ones right except starring Will Smith Will Smith they didn't like bring in everybody named dr. Dre I want the production value feel like that and I want to see are the Will Smith we know in that type of a bunch of doctors all right a bunch of other movies coming out you know I am surprised that Justice League which is coming out this at the end of this week I have not seen a lot of hyper advertising for it let me check their score on Rotten Tomatoes oh wait there is no score so as we're recording this we're recording this on Wednesday the reviews for Justice League have actually just been lifted this morning like thirty in the morning so people seen it for example io9 says the movie isn't great but it sets up great things to come I'm not gonna read more any more into that there's a horrible review yeah that's the headline and Ron tomatoes put it in bar go on the they decided to delay the certification now if you wanted to look at alder because their bar goes up so you can like be your own Ron tomatoes and just find all the reviews no score yet and you can qualify them and then you can tally up and make your own assessment of what the quote-unquote tomato meter score would be yeah but Ron tomatoes will not give a fresh or rotten certification or a percentage until this next day the day before the film comes how the reviews are officially released the viewer reviews our release they are delaying it even past the reviews I don't understand why would why would they do that there's two to two points of conspiracy one is that they're talking about two holding that certification and that score until Ron Tomatoes launches their new the first episode of this new show they're doing Rotten Tomatoes is doing a show I got a web show they used to have a show that was really good what's that what's that gonna be rated that's stupid well the idea that they're gonna talk about movies and they're gonna unveil the scores on the shows oh okay alright okay and so everyone's waiting to see if Justice League is fresh or rotten so now the other reason to watch this Ron tomatoes show to see the score whatever it's their prerogative okay the other reason is that Ron tomatoes owned by Fandango and so this is can potentially oh my god bigger conspiracies i they don't want to hold a score because they want more ticket sales and more money that's a that i don't believe that conspiracy only because that seems like a good way to ruin rotten tomatoes entire business like if you go to ron tomatoes and you go to the justice league page it says under the tomato meter follow rotten tomatoes see it slash skip it for the tomatoes meters score reveal at 12:01 eastern time these executives then they are all about the short-term thinking today's dome they see an investment they probably put 150 million dollars into just oblique or something like that and if it is as bad as it appears to be they're scared out of their pants they're gonna go to rotten tomatoes and say withhold the review I would I would totally no there's but that's it's wrong it's wrong yeah yeah yeah and it also they don't list any of the critics reviews on the page right now yeah there's no no inventory if I need the critics I'm use I could stomach the idea they aren't gonna put up a score but all the critics reviews are there all right looks like quotes you can you can link around not even that I think Rotten Tomatoes too much power not in terms of box office but in terms of like how we ingest and how we how we survey reviewers now you sound like a movie executive yeah they like said that earlier this year well Metacritic has the score has their score and their score isn't a seed skip it style plus thumbs-up thumbs-down it is an aggregate an average of the actual review scores and their score for Justice League and one take a guess 47:38 higher 51 51 percent still an F but a friend have tested Alan pan got to see an early review and he said if you take out all the bits with flash Aquaman and Wonder Woman oh if you leave in if you just like excise all the other bits where they're they're not in it was a pretty good movie and I was like yep that's what I expect waited flash and then a woman no they they he's saying that the flash Wonder Woman Aquaman bits are good Oh got it if you just take those but not just watch lows but see that the Batman was people said they liked him in Batman vs Superman they thought Ben Affleck wasn't the problem in that film yeah that's true but uh-huh interesting you know gal gadot went straight from Wonder Woman to this she had no twitch like no one had seen Wonder Woman by the time they finished shooting on this film so I that's interesting going to see it and she won't have a big head about it like she's just still her modest you know this is my first film no no there's also you know they brought Joss Whedon to do the reshoots and the little Zack Snyder leave departing from a film thing so there's just no awareness or buzz I feel like about this I mean I'm sure I'll do reasonably well I'll make money yeah you're gonna get but all this quite the rant in two weeks when I'm back on the podcast about this to watch it I am gonna go watch it next week yep I don't know I bet kids will like it because they're not as discerning it's kids I'm kids of terrible opinions they're they like you they like all this time like so much what I what I know I'm gonna be offended about is the DC source material for Justice League is so good it is so good they have give up come back you gotta give that up I know that I that that's I can't give it up okay they better not make any jokes in Justice League no it's not that it's not that at all now movies I hope people to watch and I can say I can vouch it's fantastic you seen it Disney Pixar's Coco you saw it I saw on Sunday what and I will not shut up I hate you we know people who work at Pixar and we're invited to a screening late in the weekend at Pixar oh that's great is pretty and it's great I definitely teared up I believe it it's on par with some of your you know the top tier Pixar movie it's so tough to say because visually I would say the movie that is closest to is ratatouille Oh how do you figure that so do you know remember the thing that struck me in the most ratatouille was like Paris and how they made Paris glowing and beautiful they make the worlds in this film injustice people yeah yeah get that for the trailer so that's that's what I wouldn't connect it most with and then ah gosh I would say it's closer to up than it is to brave so I'm in 10 minutes late that means come in 10 minutes late yeah me too in terms of the emotional resonance okay that's I mean that's great that's all you want from a piece in our movie the thing like I I'll see every Pixar film yeah but I'm curious about this one as a Pixar fan to see Lee Unkrich is second film mmm because I'm not the biggest fan of Toy Story 3 you're not even though it is there by far most successful film I think it's their only film to gross more than a billion now finally finding Dory must international at this point maybe there's a list on Wikipedia if so fine Toy Story 3 is up there and I'm not that big of a fan I felt like Toy Story 3 was made for the same generation as Toy Story 1 and 2 having grown up and I wanted to see another film made for the kids like where the bad guy isn't like just totally a bad guy that's so sorry for what Story 3 was the end the clip the closing of 3 was it great ok I don't want to get into that I'm just saying or I believe I'm gonna like this film more and I'm excited to see it wait wait this brings up a question what is your favorite Pixar movie me for everybody here Oh problem well I used to say The Incredibles because they were only like 5 or 6 films by then but now man I don't know inside out it's great so I'll say about this inside out up is Grizz is a movie that you can like use to teach your kids and there are some films that have like these themes they can use like teach your kids and I think that's one of the things that Pixar does really well is like they have these universal themes Universal life lessons like relations between your father and letting your child go or a mother and letting your daughter go and braver or respecting your heritage or a inner conflict or you know like there's total universal themes and I think Coco nails one of those oh well alright and so they it's like they stick the landing hmm so yeah it's weird Incredibles was hi oh my it was number one for me for a long time but I think it's wall-e it's Y see wall-e that they it's such a different film first half and second half I was floored by the first 20 minutes were first 20 minutes personal and then I kinda it's like I didn't like the first time I saw it it grew on me I grew me I liked it they had so many films now yes so many so many it's tough to do like a favorite or best out somebody made a point recently I believe I'm on reddit where they said that the Incredibles is interesting because in this if you take all the superhero films that have ever been made rarely do you see a superhero film where all of the characters use their powers together to create more powerful effects that's what justice league is supposed to be bringing it back to the current nicely done all right and so koku that's come out Thanksgiving and they didn't show the short that goes along with it okay so you gotta go see it I gotta see to go right yeah totally future movies coming out 2018 we have a teaser for Deadpool is that right Deadpool - yeah I guess you can't watch trailers I'm not gonna watch it I'm gonna spoil something for you it starts with Deadpool as Bob Ross the painter okay in a Bob Ross esque like in a full Bob Ross 1980s shot stylized he's painting happy trees for a while just being Deadpool and then it cuts to maybe 20 seconds of 20 30 seconds of actual footage and yeah that's why I'm not going to it's very Deadpool there is a lot of Deadpool sayings do not watch this teaser trailer with your children and uh yeah Deadpool Deadpool it I should finally watch Deadpool I suppose now whether your kids watch it for yourself alright biggest movie news this week because pop culture news last week last Jedi's not even out yet but Rian Johnson has been signed to spearhead to write in direct and maybe Ren direct all three who knows but definitely to create a new Star Wars trilogy going all in not just an in-between films one off a trilogy now this speaks to I think it's great marketing move speaks to Disney's confidence in last Jedi to really just push away sweep away all those rumors that they're unhappy with any of the cuts they turned in and their ability to work with him and their ability to work with young directors and yeah so how this will bear out remains to be seen like who knows who field they'll actually you know keep him around for all three of those moments but the hope is wow they're giving Han the reins of the extended universe to someone to create a new trilogy that's not the Skywalker's trailer well let's hold on here Kathleen Kennedy is proven that she's handing you the reins for as long as she's handing you the ring like a good mom yes the other thing is I want to believe that when the announcement came that it was full-on just like the end of New Hope with just like a scene of Rian Johnson walking down the aisle and Kathleen Kennedy as Leia putting the medal on him you are now bequeath the next trilogy and then r2 comes out and laughs and everyone smiled who doesn't get the metal well we kind of know it's it's Colin yeah so how do you feel about a trilogy about characters that you've never met before I love it great I love it but the big question is where the big it's a big universe one I mean I say anything Trevor I'm pretty quickly where which part of the Star Wars universe is it going to be is it gonna be primarily rebellion you know resistance and Empire or is this just something completely different I feel like it's gonna have Jedi this is like the thing that's gonna hold droids and Jedi or like the thing they're gonna hold the universe is together right or at least like a rogue one level of the force like you need the force need the force right and then what time I want to go future I know you don't to go back I mean Darth Plagueis like going back to that kind of stuff could be interesting but in service of having brand-new characters I think going forward is the only way you think that the end of last the third Star Wars film whatever it's called a philosophy I'd that will be the closing of the Skywalker trilogy like they're not gonna try to build franchises around rey bb-8 finn and i think it could be an offshoot of Ray or I don't think I could see Finn like he's not a the central character but he could cross over character yeah I don't want to see crossover characters hmm I want a completely new cast of characters hey if you're at it you know who I really want to see is Grand Admiral Thrawn get a series built around him who's that he's from the books and he was sort of like a incredibly tactically efficient whatever character okay yeah from the Empire okay yeah he was a Admiral that really turned the tide post Luke Skywalker and the from a book that is no longer can yes it was from the timothy zahn books so I would love to see him like it would be a very different type of villian it's like what Huck's is supposed to be and Huck's is basically just like I'm just standing here yeah I'll go with a Cutlass something just completely different yeah and that's why I feel like people aren't good at that and I don't know if it's because they want to pay fanservice they feel like the fans want to have those little nuggets thrown in like oh I recognize that guy or characters that you know come in and refer to things that you know when in reality they probably wouldn't be doing that unless they were truly legendary characters and they were referring to the ancient times we've done so much fanservice yeah and I and I'm with norm where I want to see a clean slate and it would be interesting to see what that would be set in the same universe you know where is the original Star Wars took a lot from you know Kurosawa films and westerns like and and you know you having the the high sand smuggler like these are themes and tropes that have been in Star Wars I want them to take take from other things mm-hmm you know like me or Ragnarok like pull the comedic bits it's happening or they won't pull the kirby pull the Kirby you can do it as an edit of Thor once it comes out on blu-ray with all the jokes cut out see what you think now if you're not into a ryan johnson the spearheaded new trilogy of Star Wars well you'll get more Star Wars because Disney also apparently has plans to create a live-action Star Wars TV show for their streaming service their Netflix competitor and that's when I decided I would sign up for it I mean and I'm sure I'm not alone Star Trek discovery not enough that's it it but but uh but Star Wars show on whatever Disney does and which my probable the Marvel films yeah right and all the Star Wars films that's that's a library right there that's ten bucks a month there you go I'm not excited about this you're not why because it'll be serialized because that's the trend right now yeah and I I think it's I think there's something to be said for building up anticipation for Star Wars just to have a movie every year the rebels I haven't really watched the cartoons well a lot of people love the cartoon and appreciate fair but I think there's no cartoon this is gonna be more serious now the same questions apply you're crazy you're gonna watch this no I'm gonna watch it but I watch a lot of bad stuff too okay right I mean and the same thing the same things apply for what they're talking about in the movies and this potential news show is that how much of a share universe will be in how many cameos will you see will you see cameos is gonna be more like Netflix Marvel you know with the defenders and that having basically started with loose ties to the films and now having zero ties to the films do you think that they'll leverage their connection to the Marvel masterminds who created the MCU in order to do the same for Star Wars here I hope not really cuz they've absolutely nailed it for for Marvel yeah that's because they have a roster of a bajillion characters already Star Wars doesn't have that Star Wars has the core characters and I think do something new not not try to force this this intermingling that of characters right and of a force I think that's what's not work with a lot of other studios and trying to create a shared universe from scratch without the characters that people love ready I got you somebody stands on its own and then think about pregnancy yeah I got it an office style take down of the building of the dead star that's it alright they're Jabba's palace sure oh god that would be it wouldn't it now if you're not in the Star Wars and then maybe the orville and discovery isn't your thing what you have coming up through Amazon is well Galaxy Quest the TV show Paul Scheer is working on this and he talked a little about their approach to direction I'm totally sold on this they're definitely taking the same kind of approach that like Blade Runner and even force awakens in setting it linearly it's X number of years after the original movie and it's in a universe where Galaxy Quest is essentially their Star Trek or Star Wars is as popular as Star Trek or Star Wars is in our world okay we're back when Galaxy Quest was made in 1999 you know nerd-dom fandom was a it's still niche now it's come exploded right so the approach you're taking is what if in Galaxy Quest the next generation like the follow-up of BSG version of Galaxy Quest like those are the people those are the actors and those are relationships they want to explore and wherefore they're like rock stars at comic-con so it's not any of the original cast they may have some original cast and it may be like there was one class place you know like what William Shatner like cameos exactly like though they're they're the the old guard Brian galaxy quest TNG makes sense and it's more like Galaxy Quest like discovery mmm or a Galaxy Quest like force awakens that's interesting right yeah I could relationship between Galaxy Quest explored the relationships between fans actors and the actors and the show's Iran in this kind of retro respective nostalgic view but modernizing it and fans relationships with actors and actresses with the roles are completely different today but that in the same way the original Star Trek now sort of appears somewhat campy and they played it that way in Galaxy Quest right next gen Star Trek was a lot more serious and and discovery of really serious so maybe the Galaxy Quest TV show that this new show is about is something that takes ourselves really seriously it's interesting all right I like it I like that they're going not just going back to the well and and doing something new with it Amazon also dropped a ton of money this this week on a new series that it's gonna be their game of thrones it's Laura the Rings but who Lord of the Rings Amazon so there was a bidding war apparently so the token estate and lots of news happening with the Tolkien estate this week apparently tokens son has now 93 years old has stepped down from the reins of managing the estate they settled that lawsuit they had a long-term lawsuit it was a Warner Brothers or whatever studio it was but they settled that line I don't know exactly who yeah but they were looking for suitors to produce a TV show and the asking price just for the rights for this was two hundred and fifty million dollars upwards of don't know the exact financial so the rumors are now that they were asking HBO flix Amazon or Hulu whoever had the money whoever had the pocketbooks to say give us two hundred to two hundred fifty million dollars just so you could have some of the lore of the Rings characters not even all of them not all of them weren't included and you could do a TV show and this does not include production costs so you're talking about doing a game of thrones like TV show that cost hundred million dollars a year that's a lot of money half a billion dollars for a long but but Amazon has the money and apparently Jeff Bezos says he wants his Game of Thrones so wanna spend the money and this could be their Game of Thrones what story do you want to hear from Lord of the Rings I've seen everything I want to hear there are six movies I mean I guess you could there's a 30 hours of Thor is there should have been four movies there I think something about saurons rise to power could be interesting mm-hmm because there is a lot of story there yeah but come on we all want one thing what Tom Bombadil come on Tom Bombadil got no play in the movies got cut out of the movies where is our bard singing songs did you read the books uh-huh yeah but I don't remember Tom Bombadil you didn't remember Tom Bombadil oh the greatest Lord of the Rings character of all time do you want them to reach read the Lord of the Rings no I think prequel is the only way to go though because where do you go after well here's the other question he's an Hobbit prequel yeah yes but there's more prequel the question I have is is what it involved if what a workshop in the look of the film Peter Jackson what a workshop is not involved then I actually have no problem with them retreaded in Lord of the Rings because the movie is two decades old now almost you know it's good and by the time this comes out it'll be 20 years old and then with a lot of fans who no no no okay all right it holds up so well movies but what no I mean I feel like the the the third one was the first movie where people thought okay the CG has come of age and it's amazing but I don't feel like it does hold up that well personally um the the first two are more about talking than they were about effects but characters yeah Lots yeah we call that story alright maybe Laura rings isn't for you but this has got to be for you other big franchises that got locked in Mario Oh what happened Mario is getting a new film oh no oh yes wait wait wait do we need a reminder of the last Mario film I put a link linear this is not the mario live-action film there's only been one right only been yes okay thank goodness this is an animated film and Nintendo has no relationship with Universal and illumination who makes these there you go Despicable Me & minion movies and you know it is funny because Nintendo has a relationship with Ubisoft has the rabbits and the rabbits are basically the minions of the exact same character that's weird and they did that crossover game this year yeah exactly so Mario already has relationships with minion like characters I don't expect full-on minions to be in this new Mario film but illumination is extremely successful they have a ton of money Nintendo has a great IP and I am interested to see what they do with a Mario movie mmm you don't think you'd want to show your kids this I don't I don't know what would be interesting about it I don't play them at the best part you don't know what you think would be interesting about it and so you're ready to monetize you want Cappy you would want to see Cappy on optimistic about this optimist Mario is about the gameplay has nothing to do with anything else gameplay doesn't exist in a movie what am i interested in show me toad captain toad all right good luck yeah impressed Jeremy for his kids for the sake of his kids you know kids will like it okay yeah they are not discerning kids are the worst yeah and and and one last bit of pop culture news out this week is Artemis Andy Weir's book and audiobook as narrated by rosario Dawson I have the audiobook I'll be listening to it over Thanksgiving I'm right with you and he's doing a book tour right now maybe visiting your town if you want to see Andy what are the early reviews like our reviews are great great and they really celebrate the world-building he does so the premise is it's about a protagonist who lives on the moon on a colony of the moon all say can't wait although say I totally cover my ears because I've been go spoiler oh sorry about that okay no no it's fine I actually knew I've heard a fair amount but I'm so excited about this the candles locked and loaded expectations are very high probably too high probably yes probably too high but he's had as much time as he wants to work on it yeah that's what's Muslim boy and he's apparently he spent a whole year just on mapping out how the the way that world works cool the you should have him in on still still entitled I think Adam and him are still friends but I would love to have him on still entitled I think it's more probably Annie's availability at this point oh sure I'm just post book tour I'm sure Andy won't drive up yeah yeah absolutely and I think that does it for pop culture news let's talk about some tech all right one more week into I phone 10 Jeremy how you feeling about it I disabled the attention to unlock feature really why not I'm not it's like that's a weird security concern I don't have so now I suppose I could be sleeping in my kids could unlock the phone all right that's true but I just wanted it to be faster it's a little slow so where we let you be the face idea do you think it's slow because I'm using it constantly I'm like it multiple times an hour I'm opening my phone and I just want it to be half a second faster when you say attention is disabled just to give me a picture of what that means it's still using your face but you don't have to be your eyes don't have to be looking at exactly interface yes so this is I think it's a tree we've actually been doing some testing at the office this week and hopefully we'll be shooting video later today about it try to really decipher how face ID the order of operations in which it works there are two cameras and there are two projectors on the nook of the iPhone all right there's your front facing camera which is just your standard HD camera your high resolution high frame rate and then there's a IR camera that can see IR light emitter wise there are two emitters there is what they call a flood illuminator and you can actually see this if you turn off the lights and you use a night-vision camera it's very bright it kind of floods the room in flashes of IR light and then there's what the dot projector which is what they made a big deal of in their keynote which is a emitter that shoots randomised sequence of 30,000 dots now not all 30,000 dots on your screen it's a really wide blast base on your face yeah and so there's the wide bus on your face and that probably aligned with the IR camera so the IR camera field of view can catch whatever the dots land on because if you had one that went beyond that field of view it would make any sense to be a waste of dots or waste of camera space and this order of events as we've kind of deciphered it is the flood luminaire blinks blink splink splink splink flashes it doesn't just turn on interesting yeah it's not a continuous sequence it links links planks and I think that sync'd up with the IR camera or the HD camera so it only captures images when it blinks yeah you know the reason it needs the blink is so can work in the dark right because then if you're if you're in the dark the HD camera isn't gonna see your say that's the reason why it is I are not white blink and yeah exactly okay that's the reason why it's IR so it lights up your face when it blinks and then the camera when it sees a face step one it has to recognize it to face then it will go to step two and it'll ask whether you're looking at it right the attention thing you kind of cut that out and what you in turning off there the attention feature so let's say for your phone it sees that a face and what we've discovered is that recognition of Quinto quarto face can be a photo doesn't need to be well how do you know it transitions to the next C because you see the dot Luminator pop-up so that doesn't happen unless it C is a phase that it's linear that's so strange and it happens like all within like half half of a second so if you watch our sequences and this will all be in video make it much more clear what you see is flood flood flood like face looks white everything looks white white white or very high contract right and then the moment it goes on to what it sees as a face a real face a photo of a face or even a life cast then flooded loominator they've started dot projector goes on and the DA projector all goes on once per test that's it blinks once doesn't combine flood with dot it's only only done yeah interesting and the dot gives you the def map yeah and then then it says face or no face and then it says you're a really person or person or no person that's cool the DA projector does not recognize a life cast okay so life cast will not fool it well and I think because of the record will affect ivities of skin versus like a plaster yeah we haven't tried with the silicone life cast but it my life cast will not fill it now the attention thing is a really interesting thing right like how does that work and I think previous weeks will be speculated no one actually actually written about this or kind of figured it out we thought maybe it does some computational imaging right like it tells you can see where your pupils are relative to where your eye is and like to figure out that it's looking at right looking at the the camera because it works with just one eye is the IR part doing that attention so this is what we that günther actually came with this and we think he's completely right its IR that's bouncing into the back of your eyes and reflecting it's cat eyes mm-hmm and so the eyes only work when you look directly at your IR source so you should be able to test this with sunglasses and you should be unlock your phone yep because sunglasses IR goes through and you can see but that's how that's the brilliant thing they can deduce attention because you because of the one way bounce back into the back of your eyes so we want to see if you like if you could fool with like an IR LED right right well I'm curious because the I'm sure I don't understand how it can detect the retina looking at you with just the dot projection no no the dot projection is after the flood of luminaid do you think it does the attention with during the flood yes oh okay okay cuz the attention if you have attention on it will not give you the dot illuminator unless you're looking at it I should bring in I have the sequence sorry sequence events is recognize that it is a face either 2d face or real 3d face that's no depth needed to attention which means does it see blinding white IR light bouncing directly back from your eyes into it yeah two glowing eyes and three then dot projector structure a face we just put up in our house one of our windows faces the east sun and gets a lot at the kitchen that it comes in two heats up a lot so we got this eye are blocking film to put in our windows I should bring that in because that'll help you test this cuz the IR LED may not create the kind of interference you're looking for exactly yeah and we tried like a perfect mirror yeah like you know using a spoon or something and it's I don't know if combines the the the bounce back with the image of the face and to say that it needs these two bright our spots right in the center of what it thinks is a face before activate stop projector but we haven't been able to to fool the attention yet the attention is like the magic part and it but yeah but you've turned it off you turn off the attention yes sir uh uh we've tried it with turning off the attention and photo of the face will activate dot projector right but still your life cast wouldn't life cast more them locked I saw there was a story about a child was able to unlock her his mom's phone yeah that was interesting I mean just I mean it's not surprising my kid was able to buy something on the PlayStation Network using the PlayStation Eye login right cuz the system thought that he was me I mean this is obviously that iPhone is a lot higher tech than the PlayStation Eye so we were supposed to not be able to do that unless you're an identical twin I think in terms of security nothing's gonna beat a passcode for a long time and and you know this is a combination that in the middle ground between convenience and security yeah and if you look back to when the first iPhone came out or when the first smartphones came out having everyone having something like face ID turned on by default which is probably more than what people how many people had touch ID turned on by default which is definitely way more than how many people had pass codes on by default so many people ran their smart phones without pass codes for a long time and this is much faster and yeah I may not be as secure as a custom you know 20 character one password style key but it works fast that's enough for me at least maybe not fast enough for Jeremy I live life a little faster than you just a little bit faster so that's been our testing with uh with iPhones face ID other tech news Firefox has a new version that's came out it's called Firefox quantum have either of you downloaded it what do you mean a new version a new a big release overhauled apparently it is it's Firefox 57 technically speed is its the biggest thing has a whole new rendering engine they call it quantum and they say it's like even twice as fast as the last version of Firefox which came out a couple one months ago so it's supposed to be faster than chrome the other thing is that I has low memory usage which anyone that's interesting yeah and then which means low battery usage also and the UI looks really good yeah I mean google also entrenched that they'd only have to make chrome fast and you people would stick with chrome because of the way it's tied into your passwords and Gmail and although the services use that's nothing honestly holding me back from using Firefox well Firefox also got bloated like the the just the UI around it about using extensions and whatnot got a little hefty so a simplified UI is a great way to at least claw back yeah Firefox was the chrome yeah it was the browser of preference to everybody Chrome yep all it takes is a vulnerability to get people to switch I don't I don't even think so I think people are clueless maybe what they want to use a thing that came built you know that they recognize name of their she's like somebody at Microsoft was doing a demo of one of their services using edge obviously yep and public demo and then they browser just like couldn't do it and you've has failed so he opened up a new tab and downloaded Chrome oh no Live installed Chrome and then went back to their internal mine is someone's getting you know that mine Wow going back to Apple and iOS a feature that people have been long waiting it's now in beta it is Apple pay cash a way for people with Apple phones to send each other money and like with PayPal or venmo I think it is this actually live or is it it's just beta it's just beta but I mean is it in the beta like you have to download the iOS beta to get it no no it's public beta in oh sorry it is in iOS 11 - beta - okay so you have to opt in using the beta program yeah because they don't put betas out beta features out I guess a they do pay the features out it's like runner mode one that's true that's a beta feature yes Siri for a long time yeah yeah yep so the idea is that you're a credit card debit card that's attached to Apple pay and you can just built into messages and there's you know the same type of fees that you would have with credit cards a few percent and no fees with debit card so oh so I can send money to somebody with no fees with with do direct if I use a debit card with debit card or a bank account which is how X square cash works so basically these want to take all the business at square cash and venmo have been have been doing it's interesting and with using the proximity sensors of you know NFC that's built into the phone do you know does it go into an account that you then have to transfer into your bank account or does it automatically no and I really hope that would be the way to do it because I hate the I mean that's how PayPal and venmo make money is they pay whole interest money and they make interest off and and and they stay like you can't pay with those account unless you manually specify they always pay from directly from your bank account and you can only extract money out yeah if you do it manually yeah I don't like that a feature that that is very popular on iOS and people use a lot that's making its way maybe on some the windows side in a future update is an airdrop like feature so from only Microsoft devices to other Microsoft devices windows the windows so like the reason there is a big pause is like no one has any window mobile devices well windows your laptops have on tooth I I meant like phone like where I find airdrop super functional is when you have multiple laptops that can just talk to each other and the phone yeah and Windows doesn't have many people on the phones I guess the surface laptops this is great yeah it's great I'm glad they're adding it I can't can't hurt no the problem is that most I mean I guess for people desktops do most desktops most most motherboards I guess they all die off Bluetooth most of them have bluetooth the radios now it won't walk over land like everyone doesn't work like even if you're it says the reports I've read have said it's a Bluetooth feature I would love for to be also Wi-Fi and we're also land but then if you're on land then it's just you're just moving files over network oh the UI is is there's a Missy bird sauce it's the UX like people don't want to open their network and like fine the other writers wanna say folder drop to this person Microsoft Dropbox their equivalent yeah Dropbox yep oh did you ever use a copy sir forms back there copy this predates like Usenet doesn't it is old of old school it goes back real it does it goes back to the 80s right or at least early 90s more back does Usenet go about that deep into the 80s CompuServe man that was like that was the service that was pre AOL that was the AOL before yeah well right like you would sign up you'd get a number that you dialed into CompuServe and that was just what people thought was I was via the Internet essentially it wasn't a bulletin board system it was a it was a whole set you know it's the thing you subscribed to you log in check your email well no longer oh well copy sir forums are being taken down in a couple weeks so I went when I heard about the story I went on to the CompuServe forums just to check it out there are active users that are still like posting stuff like which router should I get and like active actively getting help not many but they're still active users on the CompuServe forums after all these years wait like people who were once CompuServe customers or it's hard to tell Google's never taken me to CompuServe for a search why are they there I would I would guess they've been there forever yeah like you say all right it's not so bad though people are nice on here when's the last time you're on a forums and people were nice no not ready pretty rare now I want to check it out maybe you could bring her back it'll just transition do it I'm sure archive.org will take care of archiving everything there so that's good and then we didn't cover the story last week but it happened just a recording at Disney apparently is starting to take off and see these on some Disney I peed objects and Thingiverse well now I feel like this is a little overblown yeah now I I actually I don't know the details of this but and when I read that this was happening I went over there to like grab things and everything's still there a lot it's still there it's a lot of your heads like was it just one user I feel like start like Disney's always taken down some stuff mm-hmm but they're not taking down everything so the Lee girls call that was a flow holistic slow Polly stormtroopers and some of his were taken down someone's still up as you said it's yeah last check so some high-profile stuff I mean it would be easy if Disney really wants to their lawyers really wanted to make it all out sweep and that's been the fear ever since Lucas sold Disney right the rights to Star Wars they could just take a look at most downloaded or most popular most up voted and then just seen these top top 15 yeah but they haven't there's still some very popular things still there so but no one should be surprised if they do and the point remains that it's something that becomes enough if you're designing things that aren't your IP like they have the right to take it down even if you add a lot of your own art to it yeah even if you model it yeah yeah for sure but yeah but the thing is like Disney back when at least the rule under you know Lord Lucas was that if you weren't making money on it it's okay yeah that and that feels like it's supportive of this new technology that's emerging in support of the community if you act like that yeah so I don't know maybe maybe if you do see Star Wars stuff out there you don't want to assume it'll be there forever maybe you do want it down or maybe if you're making Star Wars stuff you can assume it stays up yeah there or give it an interesting name like the aptly named Fellini Amell can that is available one thing is that a real thing it is I have to look that up well another company making Star Wars stuff that's out this week is EA with Star Wars Battlefront 2 and a little bit of a controversy with the game a little bit just a little bit so this is a highly dissipative game you know a lot of people love the first battlefront and this one will have a full blown single-player campaign people also love the multiplayer I can't wait to play it but the controversy is in some of these or microtransactions or you could might even call the macro transactions and how much EA originally had priced some of these characters to unlock if you wanted to unlock them by paying as opposed to playing the game wait don't I pay for battlefront too you pay for the game I like full price right hey for the game and you could unlock the characters on your own time so I think it's like 40 hours or something to unlock like Vader or or like it takes a while yeah it's just like you know way back in the day if you're playing game like Battlefield 2 you couldn't get the nicest guns unless you actually earned them and it felt great to actually earn them but some people also like just paying for the unlocks and so the option is there and the outrage is in that pricing and the response to it was not great don't say so both the the official EA response and then the reaction to that response but it brings up the question of you know the complaints from some gamers and some people the community is that you know why does EA need more money shouldn't Eve doesn't the development cost get covered just by the the Box price of the game your $60 and the answer honestly is no if you look at how much games cost these days I don't know about that they could probably make the money back that they need in the making but they are a public company and they need to their shareholder as a way to to feel good about their their investment they're always gonna look for ways to earn more money and they're gonna push it as far as they can until there's enough pushback in order to make it stop so the line is wherever the line is ever moving you're saying the line is whatever whenever there is pushback so pushback is good then and an EA did step back and concede and lower the prices for the unlocks for some of the characters but only under heavy duty pressure though right right right so would you not have enjoyed the game Oh $60 oh I don't I didn't enjoy the first one because I didn't like even the fact that it wasn't an even playing field when but when a new player would join like oh so it's not hats it's actual ability the fact that it's not aesthetics that it's not just you know cosmetic accoutrements that I can unlock to make myself look different it's actual new guns and weapons and abilities like they are bad um jets and things yeah that other people have that are more experienced than me and they're more powerful I didn't like that that is felt like bad design mm-hmm now the people who play the game they say those things that you unlock they're not they don't make that big of a difference oh I did still felt like I was at a disadvantage and so I I would prefer something like overwatch where all of the unlocks are cosmetic well now you're gonna get a bunch of people who have paid for the high-powered flings and don't have the experience I don't know how to use the Jeff yeah that's all messed up yeah no fly into that salt like that the the reaction has been almost too far on some level like people are right to be angry and upset for a huge game like this to be so dependent on microtransactions yeah but at the same time the vitriol has really spilled over probably like a note too far yeah like people are calling ea and just threatening them throwing developers yeah and or the set poor people that seems like that's not the way it needs to be like yeah get a refund don't buy the game don't pre-order it that kind of stuff is how you get your message or don't preorder it yeah that's a big one my son my ten-year-old son has started playing a new microtransaction game called Magic the Gathering maybe you've heard of this my real-world microtransaction game well you're buying packs exactly and you know how many packs you can buy before you max out your character how many infinite it turns out well you don't have a character you have a deck you've a deck you know yeah you could buy your deck can be ever ever expansion exactly yeah right they figured yeah Wizards of the coast they figured out Michael Chen this is like does he like magic he's crazy about it you know magic players used to be shunned magic what magic players used to be shunned yeah I'm sure Lee was there in middle school when I actually yeah middle school when I was playing magic it was it was not the cool you have yards still yeah I sold all my cards okay it's name here I got I got one of my first posts on the internet was was when I was looking for to trade for a magic card that is still sort of infamous wow it's very jargon heavy I didn't know you both four players was it revised or no it was what's the Lotus card Lotus Black Lotus I've seen counterfeits in the wild that's the use me the most I said by inquest magazine see what the values of those cards were oh my gosh yeah I had no idea I played that Star Trek version of Magic czg yes yes yeah yes because Michael card game and I like you know about a handful of packs I hope that the game it was video star was one the Star Trek one was really great because you had you set up a like a like pre proto board game so basically it board games tabletop game you write the Star Trek one you set up a row of planets and then you have your ships and you basically travel around the planets and activate missions on the planets okay send some landing parties calm out with chips thank you Micro transit fond memories they're everywhere and I hate them I do I do you should be you should improve yours your character even if it's a video game you should improve yourself through hard work I believe that I believe video games can teach lessons like that and if you think if you learn the lesson that you can improve your character by buying it then that's not teaching anything not nothing I want the kids to learn take that last bit of technology news if you have a Nintendo switch which is right as of right now pretty up there in terms of like the best piece of technology this year you make a Hulu soon first piece of video on demand software Oh Netflix isn't on there yet no Hulu for Nintendo switch is coming alright either of you subscribe to you I do yeah I do as well is there still a free tier on the computer only I believe okay their new like interface that came out like a month ago is awful oh it is so hard to navigate so you might need a Nintendo switch controller to get around this thing because it is it's trying to do like personalized recommendations like Netflix does but its interface I think is is just terrible so this is great because people that have Hulu live TV now can have live TV on their switch that's right it's already out and netflix may be next who knows but it's nice value ads for people with switch rocket leagues out for switch to oh I imagine right now you won't be hearing from Joey for a while No no no does he have a switch you know I think so and then finally if you have an Android phone or an iPhone and you like Pokemon go na antics next game AR game real world game is gonna be Harry potter-themed this sounds cool to me that's real cool to me too I mean I'm more into Harry Potter than Pokemon you know I mean on the scale of things I'm into it's higher and I'm up for having Wizarding battles on random street corners in the middle of the night I took it yeah that would be actually like what if you can do different motions and it does different spells I mean Niantic doesn't change the option of the mechanics of the game going back to ingress there's only done two games I mean well so much of Pokemon go was built on top of ingress whoa this is a Pokemon Jim it's not a wizard school get out of here you wizards I'm ever catch a Pokemon all right I don't know it sounds good to me and I think that does it for technology news before we move on to our next segment I want to thank again the sponsor of this week's episode of this is only a 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for a moment of science right usually when I get push notifications from the AP on my phone it's usually bad news that last night though it's a little bit different we had our first case of scientists using human gene editing or gene editing in a human being it's in Chicago there is a gentleman there he's 44 years old he has a metabolic syndrome called hunter syndrome and Hunter syndrome is basically where he has a gene that is not functioning properly that doesn't allow them the ability to process carbohydrates normally and that sounds somewhat simple but it has some massive ramifications they faced like some basic functions don't work anymore and people with this disease usually die within a few years of caen emerging with this disease including like having ramifications like brain damage right now the treatment is this sort of infusion treatment that costs between a hundred and four hundred thousand dollars a year and it's not entirely effective at preventing the brain damage so especially mother for the rest of their life for the rest of their life most of the people that have this condition are bound in their wheelchair completely dependent until they pass away so he's sort of an outlier that he's lived this long with this condition and so they're trying an edit to that gene to correct this directly in his system we won't know for a little while if it worked but for a case like this this is what gene editing was born for this technology this is a person that clearly has a gene that's wrong that that is sort of that is mutated and we need to fix it otherwise he's going to die what's the mechanism to change a gene like that this is the CRISPR system where we basically take an RNA and use the caste system to find a specific area on a DNA strand and clip it out and replace it with something else but don't you have your deer DNA in all of your cells do they don't all need to be changed for him they have to be changed in a lot of play yeah that's incredible because he is an adult didn't in embryo it's a very different situation than your cells divide and proliferate that DNA that's been edited do give you a watch Adam and Neil deGrasse Tyson's talk at their panel New York comic-con where they discussed this at length discuss the ethics of gene editing and like you know a lot of some people grow up and we're talking about talk about life-or-death situations but you know it's how do you get avoid having how do you avoid having designer babies and what is that bare minimum that you wanted to make sure that people have I didn't watch this way and this is an interesting conversation because in this case I don't think many people have ethical concerns about this particular case none of these edits are ever going to go beyond this gentleman's body they're just there but when you start editing germline cells cells that actually pass on to another human now you're passing on an edit to another generation which is going to keep passing it on for generations to come now you have real ethical ramifications to discuss about the proliferation of that change I mean people say unintended consequences it also brings up designer babies which i think is actually a metaphor that's too far here it's really thinking about just the proliferation of edits like a butterfly we don't know how how far those will go it's sort of well hey isn't it real different when you think about if you if we edit DNA using a technology that's only five years old and it's gonna pass down generation to generation doesn't that make you feel just a little bit different about the technology then if we just edit one guy's DNA who's gonna die but you're not talking about procreation passing on you're talking about German changes that would potentially be passed on through the air no no no no germline means through procreation okay okay well that's okay I'm okay with that you know I mean if it's the right kind of changes I mean that isn't that what you want to change you don't want this type of thing to be passed on yeah but it when we're talking about diseases like this that's one thing we're talking about and you know norms DNA so he has blue eyes yeah I noticed I'm right that's not good but there's all sorts of stuff in between those two contacts from normal solve it I also want to highlight there and I'll put a link in the show notes the first-ever atomic spectroscopy movie of CRISPR in action so you can actually see the movie of it doing the cut on the DNA it doesn't have the special effects of like a wet a film but it's still pretty remarkable yeah to actually see it in real time over about 20 seconds actually see it actually enacted cut on the DNA when will we know if it's successful on this gentleman you mean yeah I don't think for a couple of a few weeks that's not bad great well tune back in alright do you ever watch Seinfeld I did yeah do you remember one Kramer went swimming in the East River Oh like he he got tired of swimming at the gym because it was it's too busy so he started going swimming in the East River he's he slept on a mattress and got all funky because who swims on the East River it's all full of crap so there's some truth to that the rivers around New York are pretty polluted there are wastewater treatment plants that sit on the edge of those rivers that push out they're treated water and even though it's treated it still carries pollutants in fact they push out anywhere from a thousand metric tons of nitrogen into the Bronx River each year this one plant the hunt hunt wastewater treatment plant well scientists have been working on how do we actually capture some of that so it's less polluted and clean up this river and one idea that relates to a upcoming science progress episode was actually using mussels for this mussels the the little bivalve creatures yep that are essentially water filters so they developed a mussel that is not it's not inedible but it doesn't taste real good let's just say it has like a secretion of this enzyme that makes it taste bad and they attach it around a six by six barge a little downstream from this wastewater plant and it actually picked up around like 60 pounds of nitrogen Oh and so they calculated out if you had like a little army of barges it would take about a hundred full-sized barges with these muscles just plant you know basically on the side of this that you could start to pull out meaningful amounts of nitrogen and clean up the river mm-hmm and then once those muscles matured you would grind them up and they would turn into chicken feed okay and that's healthy for chickens uh I don't know the answer to that but I don't think it's unhealthy for chickens but the idea is you have to essentially come up with a farm to grow new muscles to replant on barges all right I love the idea of this biological solution I like it I thought you were gonna go to fracking with this because I heard a shocking story on NPR about how the EPA there was a family who was their house was located near fracking you know plant and their son took a bath and was covered in this rash and turned out that fracking water had gotten into their their water Dan and and the EPA had these studies that they had done that showed that there were potentially devastating biological effects to fracking solutions the water that's used and and they hadn't released these findings hmm I don't know this particular story but those fracking fluids that Jeremy is referring to are usually they inject additional fluids beyond the water into yeah the frack to create higher hydraulic pressure down there to actually induce the actual cracking of the the shale or whatever they're trying to crack down below and those fluids are supposed to be collected either in these these sort of like you know sludge ponds or just sort of recycled through the system but once they're down in those pockets they can get added to the water treatment table depending on how the crack works and then they come up in different quantities so it sounds like in this case a pretty high concentration came out yeah parently in this case actually there was some legal dumping of the water involved too very bad news but the fact that the findings weren't released about what this these chemicals can do to the human body as well seems like Erin Brockovich kind of stuff there's that's for another moment of science yeah I can talk about that because there's a lot to say about that okay quantum computing we've heard about it so the basic idea of quantum computing is instead of ones and zeros we can have a one hmm zero yes or a one in a zero at the same time quantum superposition you mean a ten not a ten with it they need to teach this in kindergarten where kids are just like okay yeah yeah sure that makes sure quantum super visitors and it's fine so at a low number of quantum bits or qubits that's not a big deal but that scales exponentially so at fifty cubits because of the exponential scale you can essentially do the processing of ten quadrillion bits that's a huge number the reason that number is important is because that is not ten quadrillion bits you can do ten quadrillion states the important number is that's the number that's seen as passing traditional computing power mmm so if you can get to 50 cubits you're there I was at an IBM lab you know two months ago where they're developing this and they're they're publicly available and you can actually use services that interact with this they've released a cloud product that interacts with an eight qubit system and these quantum computers by the way they look like these these kind of weird tiered devices where they're pumping helium 3 through it to cool it down to like near zero and essentially have a wire that's passing through this area where current doesn't flow in one direction it flows in both directions at the same time to create the superposition effect which is real weird and it only happened near absolute zero Wow but anyway so these weird-looking devices and there's a race now for what's called Kuan quantum supremacy which is what I was talking about yeah is this idea of whoever can get to 50 cubits has beaten what traditional computing can handle and so Google IBM Intel and a number of academic labs from like Yale Stanford a bunch of other places are all in this race and they all release except Intel all released papers in the past two weeks about where they are with this are they all using the same techniques for the most part I mean there's lots of like very technical differences but they're essentially their build is the same because they all have to use the same cooling idea and are they sharing the information with each other yeah I mean they're publishing papers so they're not hiding but they are hiding information too like they're not actively sharing information to get there because there's a lot of money at stake right but this is not gonna be anything that reaches even consumer hardware anytime well like I said like you can use a cloud service and interact with the IBM eight qubit machine right now it's not coming to commercial processes the idea of these quantum computers is never to replace conventional processors it's to do tasks that conventional computers can't do and these papers are really interesting because it shows that Google came out and said they're at 49 oh wow we haven't reached yet IBM said they're at 50 and Google came back and said no you're at this like kind of hybrid 49 state and it's like there's like there's just like crazy smack-talk going back and forth about about this and so there's also some physics limitations it isn't like Moore's Law where it's like oh 49 to 50 you'll just do that tomorrow but they are really close to getting there I want to see a rap battles of history from these guys and that's it the moment of science this week the VR minute virtual reality this week bunch of news in VR the sweet let's talk about hardware we have of course from Facebook the oculus ago that no I don't know if developers haven't yet but they should they said before in the year and that's gonna be released next year but on the HTC side we'd also been waiting for a headset they announced with Google the daydream their daydream headset now that headset is going away no no more HTC daydream headset standalone headset and instead what we're gonna get is a vibe standalone headset six degree of freedom now a bunch of caveats it's no you're at Asian markets only not American markets no details on other specifications in terms of resolution like a field of view or that stuff but what they did say is that it's six degrees of freedom inside out tracking that will run games on vive port and is all this is basically it sounds very much like a Santa Cruz type equivalent it runs on a qualcomm mobile processor 835 processor what's their release timeframe they haven't said yeah now the other thing that's worrying me a little bit about this is the controllers are three degrees of freedom controllers not six degrees of freedom which others the headset will let you move around in positional space yeah your hands relative the headset just rotational movement yeah the Santa Cruz are tracked they are tracked and so but I think they want to get out ahead of Santa Cruz so hopefully we'll see something interesting next year because this is mobile this is not steamvr okay it's this stuff just through vive port yeah I don't know I don't feel like we're gonna probably end up getting one of these do you in terms of like next year or just I mean he had said tested just because there it's it's not okay it's not for our mark is not far more and um you know I they're not interested in our opinion it's ours now this week actually today as recording this if you have invested in a Windows mix reality basically Windows VR headset which they are more in half a dozen out there right now including even the Samsung Odyssey you will be able to tap into your steamvr today steamvr beta access November 15th no way yes way wow that's actually a big deal it isn't it see that's what's been holding back to Windows mixed reality and I mean it's a month old at this point if that yeah so that's not like they've had chances like have anything happen to them but it is a big deal that you now have access to all these Steam games yes all users it previously is just for developers and probably developers to get their systems test up so tweak see if they need to tweak their games and tracking to work with the range of these headsets but you could navigate to the VR hub and select from the steamvr software and and activate it we'll be testing this extensively almost we've been waiting there's not a lot to do in the window is the Cliff House yeah there's like not even a lot of VR dedicated apps so so is there supposed to be a hundred percent compatibility across we don't know steamvr we will have to try yeah well the try is a lot of our classics alright the windows mix reality is an interesting product it's certainly this setup is the easiest I've seen yeah you know I mentioned Coco earlier and there is a new Coco experience VR experience that's now on the oculus platform so if you check that out did you ever try the Blade Runner one I did not get a chance to try the play yeah yeah okay do you think this model of releases related to movies is gonna catch on totally hasn't it already I mean I know what's happening yeah that's not what I mean is I don't know if the community response has been a lot of enthusiasm with it I don't know if like if that's a part of their if they care you know it's just like they're getting these things out they must use them in some official capacity somewhere at some red-carpet event like they must just have VR headsets and people try them in line or they show them off they must like them for some reason that has nothing to do with what reddit thinks hmm you know that's my assumption because they keep coming out and I haven't seen an amazing one yet it'll be ready player one that'll be the winner yeah that doesn't worry 5 yeah yeah and then I think you'll be disappointed with the Coco thing whoa no with the with the ready player the presentation is yeah is the Oasis and you're not gonna get the Oasis there was something for super 8 that was like the first one that ever came out where like there was a developer that actually did some worked with valve or like used their their engine to make a super8 thing and it was it was good like for the time it's it was a really surprisingly good like you it was just a story but it was interactive that you walk through the space and you see a monster in a train and that's scary no so it can be done now if you're one of the early adopters of hololens you may want to try this out a developer has ported over the game from the Star Trek TNG episode the game yes yes that's why did this take so long do I don't know well because the in the actual game you are tapping into your brain synapses and your emotional state and hololens doesn't do that they're due to it they do so it looks like a chess board and like these flute things come up and unless the crusher gets totally run will run will and we don't recommend like you know quick flashes of light from an android as a yeah way of breaking away from the game why hololens because that's what it was a protect it was a holographic projection yeah I know but like Hollins is a professional product who has hololens well developers who have them want to make things of you with them this is great this is like I want to play this like adventure like you know but when you had a mainframe and you could play a game on it like that's what this is you do have to actually attach a biometric sensor to your thumb that you can you can hold on to so it does get your international state where do you get that from low stress and on his website you go to Rob Burke dotnet you can see him actually you can see some video footage of what it looks like from that perspective that's great yeah can't wait and then finally in VR news oh you see this um haptic shape illusion video that was on YouTube researchers I want to say in Japan mm-hmm I'm gonna be totally getting that wrong haptic shape I don't know what that means yeah University of Tokyo yep oh I did see this yeah so they be do experiments whoa there you go they're developing accessories and the idea that how do you create the illusion of holding up something like a big sword yeah when you have something when you don't want to actually hold a big sword in in the real world and it's all relative to other objects so they can fool your brain thinking you're holding something that's larger than it actually is by shifting the center of gravity and center center of mass writing and creating something with equal or close to mass yes yes so with heavier weights and they 3d prints and prototypes and they did some line tests and some VR tests you can hold something that looks like a ping-pong paddle with the weights closer to the top of it and they'll feel like you're holding a sword yeah that makes a lot of sense so if that's true we should be able to do this with a blindfold yeah totally now of course you don't get the same type of like know what is the visual feedback of it yes yeah also you don't get the wind resistance and like you're holding this thing and I think lightsabers doesn't make sense cuz all the weights in the hilt anyway the idea is that the blade is zero away photons don't weigh anything you don't know that you don't know I don't know that I don't live in a Star Wars universe but it leads to thoughts of like what if you could create a accessory where the center of mass could shift like the name of the master maintains the same but even if to up and down then it could look like you could have it represent different objects of different sizes by having some type of dynamic shifting of mass I don't know like you'd really only need that if it was supposed to dynamically shift in game if you must keep different spin holding an ax a heavy ax that you're swinging versus a light sword no I see what you mean when you switch weapons yeah it wouldn't take much to do that I mean those those old-school scales that you do where you shift the the weight balance are the same basic idea mm-hmm something else coming out so a couple releases this week you have Skyrim VR for our psvr that's coming out this week it's $60 you guys think about that for real yeah man all right I mean you know it's Skyrim if you haven't played it it's a there skyrim there's a lot of content there but I don't know if the experience is gonna be worth all that much I don't think Skyrim will be better in VO I don't know I mean I want to play fallout in Viewer I don't it's something that game will be better in VR why because I think looking around helps you in that how does looking around help you in in Skyrim I don't you don't need like that that field of these the weirdest comparison I mean they're the same game it's just one sort of post-apocalyptic and ones fantasy I feel like there's much more stuff coming out right right I mean I do like the building stuff in Fallout and that but that might be interesting in VR that you know building around you looking like the matrix but I feel like all like want to do in Skyrim is walk around and look around because that world is so much more beautiful to me than the fallout world it is more beautiful alright and then the other big release this week is from other Suns and we played a little bit of it I'm gonna play we're gonna play more last night what happened no one no one reached out I was at my computer you didn't reach out now you reach out you do all right we got to play more I play more I got to get cash or got now that you've heard of time he's you in there must get to earth yes and you know the game is a little bit buggy some of the AI doesn't work as well but from other people said it gets much more difficult when you get closer to earth it's a promising experience I dig it you understand the premise not at all roguelike first person three-person multiplayer game co-op you're on a ship and you travel across the galaxy oh alright yeah a Firefly simulator yeah three of us can soul can hold a spaceship and we can we can rescue other people from Pirates we can defense radiations when we can teleport onto the other ships we can defend our ship from dissipations bridge crew where you have different stations yeah there are three stations where we have tactical comms travel and there's some PC interaction but it's it's a roguelike so we gotta get that earth gotta make it alive yeah can't wait to play the going back to Fallout and Skyrim the one thing that would keep me from playing these is lack of social multiplayer like fallout if they I mean I know they can't do it because it's the design in a single-player game but if Fallout or Skyrim is successful and Bethesda has opportunity to create a multiplayer open vrj RPG in VR I would eat that up and there's no reason they couldn't simultaneously develop for flat-screen consoles and just have multiplayer in whatever the next Elder Scrolls game is whatever the next fallout is and then pour that over to VR I feel like at the same time we are still at a point where there just aren't the player base there isn't the player base and support a multiplayer game like that you don't need the player base you could design a game I mean just like on on console games those games are perfectly fine as single-player games but if you give the ability just build in this the base line structures didn't have a second player there for combat for just the chat with someone explore the world yeah that adds so much nobody field only so you don't you just spent Skyrim plus multiplayer in Fallout Plus multiplayer yeah that's why I know I didn't only want oh I don't need open world I don't in the MMO mm-hmm don't need mm oh just like a 2 or 2 or 3 or a 4 player fallout alright say please please this week hey what have you guys been testing what have you guys been testing hmm I got my fold scope kit in this is a paper based microscope I think it was in my favorite things of last year they came out with their professional kit it's the idea of making a 50 cent microscope that can go to third world countries and we'll be doing a video on it so that's great Jeremy you still have China challenges a are your kids still playing it oh no that I forgot to mention them I have it so I was asked oh we they said oh we have this still I think yes yes we still have this so they will be playing that again but okay not recently I I think I don't think that's that bad of a game like I don't know like we put up our projections review what yesterday or Monday yeah and people like no that's not for me I mean it's not for everybody but if I was a kid and I had access to this at Christmas time I'd play it for like you know days and days Thanksgiving it's gonna be very popular yes giving yeah we got in didn't bring it into the room today we got we got our G bow every day of going in the office and Bo does we'll know what's here I don't think we'll notice here I'm sure he's yelling from Pacifica right now we got to bring Welland to interact with the Gebo uh it's not as a it's not as capable as an Alexis or even a Cortana yeah it's a little slow in its responses its text-to-speech is I think fantastic and the limited things it can do well it does fairly well you kid people don't know what Jibo is geebo was a robot a home robot that was announced before the Alexa came out and was it I believe an IndieGoGo project so for $400 you could the promise was to have your own digital assistant home robot but it was designed by robot Isis who had lots of experience with human-computer interaction human robotics interaction interesting and so it's not like the Alexa in terms of looking like a static display it has a light has a ring light to know when you're talking it is stationary and a stationary you can run it on batteries or you can unplug it but it animates as a it has his face it rotates well and it has a screen it's a face when your screen honestly could be OLED but yeah it's kind of like Eve from Wally yep it's a rectangular screen doesn't blend perfectly into the shape but it's two axes of rotation are charming as hell yeah and it can spin 360 yeah that's kind of my limited interactions with it we're like if the content on the screen was better yep this would be if it could happen Alexa yeah it would be amazing Amazon doesn't let you tap into Alexa voice only you have to use a button so you can't activate it by saying the magic word if you're at your third party well that's a problem yeah well I mean maybe like okay they could bless it like they could say okay you guys can do no no I'd be okay even if it required a touch because it has a touch screen but I don't like the touching its head to make it stop yeah feels a little parental yes but even when you're not actively talking to it though let's kind of look around how is that the passive animation that makes it feel alive I really dig it I don't think it's worth it but I really dig it like what can does it know things so I can I ask you to Wikipedia things you can ask it to you cannot read the news sports scores timing of things restaurants near you weather weather or does that read out on the screen it does in addition to I actually know some of it does not all if it does it has a camera so can take pictures of you there aren't a lot of the ideas I it'd be great if we do games like if we could do games with children yeah like Simon Says door that kind of stuff like even simple things there's a lot of potential here yeah but they were more caught up in there just getting this out to people who'd backed it who'd paid a couple hundred bucks for it cool so I think you and Angie both should do the podcast next week it would definitely be here for the podcast next week all right looking around quite frankly you'll get better reviews than on me and Jeremy you guys I look forward to next week will be the special guests will have a special guest in the podcast that does it for this week though this is only a test be a lot of lot of things to talk about Oh hey tonight the new mythbusters' relaunches yes yes on science channel on science you know I'm gonna I'm gonna actually check it out I don't know how many other people are getting I believe the first act of the show is on Facebook on their Facebook channel - if you wanted to watch that online on your phones but next week is Thanksgiving I know Jeremy nunca sure both traveling next week yeah we'll see you after that but over me on on CNN one of the in those videos of people storming stores forming storming Best Buy kiosks at airports yes got to get those earbuds got to get those battery packs and I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving but I'll be here to see you guys and we'll chat next week about all sorts of things do we have an outro this week well you know I can't find the new one so we'll have to go back to that but alright we're going to go with an old one well no it's not five days old from Michael buoni get the balls in his mouth all the balls come out of his mouth this is turning into but there are Oh our hands I don't know all right and so it did God all right bye\n"