**Dealing with Used Cars: A Cautionary Tale**

In today's used car market, buyers often face the daunting task of navigating through a complex web of recalls and safety concerns. When considering purchasing a pre-owned vehicle, it's essential to approach the process with caution and diligence. In this article, we'll delve into the world of used cars and explore the importance of recalling checks, reliability, and resale value.

**Recall Checks: A Must for Buyers**

One of the most critical factors to consider when buying a used car is the presence of open recalls. According to Keith Robinson, a well-known automotive expert, "Many cars have recalls unless it's like a super famous one that only affected one vehicle." However, in this particular case, David is considering purchasing a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid from a dealership that has marked down the price by several thousand dollars, allegedly due to an open recall. The recall, which was reported on by Consumer Reports in June of 2020, pertains to an auxiliary power outlet and water being able to access that outlet, potentially leading to fires.

**The Consequences of Buying a Car with an Open Recall**

Keith warns that buying a car with an open recall can be a recipe for disaster. "There are several cases where cars with open recalls have caught fire," he notes. "In this particular case, there haven't been many cases of it, but it's still a serious recall." The lack of a fix for the issue is particularly concerning, as it means that consumers may not receive any assurance that the problem will be resolved.

**Temporary Fix and Precautions**

While there isn't a full repair for the Pacifica Hybrid yet, dealerships have implemented a temporary fix to mitigate the risk. However, until the vehicle has been fixed, consumers are advised to exercise extreme caution. According to Keith, "Consumers should not park these vehicles inside of buildings or structures or near other vehicles, and they should keep liquids out of the back seat area." These precautions may seem excessive, but they're essential in minimizing the risk of a fire.

**Resale Value: A Concerning Issue**

In addition to safety concerns, buyers also need to consider the impact of an open recall on resale value. Keith notes that "a used car with an open recall can't be sold until that recall is fixed." This means that the vehicle's value will likely take a hit until the issue is resolved. Furthermore, if the buyer decides to sell the car in the future, they may not receive a full refund for the original purchase price.

**A Word of Caution: Buying a Used Car**

Keith emphasizes the importance of buyers being aware of recall checks when purchasing a used car. "There are great tools available, such as NHTSA's Recall Tracker, that can help determine if a vehicle has been recalled," he notes. These resources can provide buyers with valuable information about the safety status of their potential purchase.

**Conclusion**

In conclusion, buying a used car can be a daunting task, especially when faced with an open recall. While it may seem like a minor issue, the consequences can be severe. Buyers must approach this process with caution and diligence, taking the time to research and understand the safety implications of their potential purchase. By doing so, they can make informed decisions that prioritize their safety and well-being.

**Expert Insights**

Keith's advice on how to navigate used car purchases is invaluable. As a seasoned automotive expert, he offers a unique perspective on the world of used cars. From recall checks to resale value, Keith provides guidance on what buyers need to know when purchasing a pre-owned vehicle. His insights are essential for anyone looking to make an informed decision.

**Additional Resources**

For consumers looking to research used car purchases, NHTSA's Recall Tracker is an invaluable resource. This tool allows buyers to input their Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and receive information on any outstanding recalls or safety concerns. By using this resource, buyers can make more informed decisions about their potential purchase.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis week we give our driving impressions of the 2022 subaru outback wilderness we share tips and advice for using your car in extreme weather and should you buy a used car with an open recall next on talking cars hi and welcome to talking cars i'm jennifer stockberger i'm alex nizik and i'm keith barry so we're going to jump right in with some news of what's going on in the country this week and we kind of have a bit of snippets of different things the first of which is announcement from the national highway traffic safety administration regarding automated driving keith give us some scoop on what the announcement was yeah this is really interesting uh coming from that agency you mentioned which we just called by its acronym nitsa and they've issued an order that's going to require auto manufacturers to report if a crash took place um and if the crash took place on a vehicle with an automated system automated driving systems and that can be anything from a prototype of a self-driving car down to a car with lane keeping assist or automatic emergency braking i mean that that sort of runs the span of basically anything that takes um any sort of control away from the driver and this is basically it's kind of aimed for two reasons the first one is that there have been a lot of crashes that have made headlines uh mostly around tesla vehicles um with its well-publicized autopilot uh system which is which is a a convenience system not neces it is not a self-driving car um even the full self-driving feature is not a full self-driving feature it's called that and so far for the past you know past four or five years nits has really been kind of asleep at the switch in terms of keeping an eye on whether these new systems out there were causing more crashes they weren't even really collecting data and what they were doing is they were sending out a special team called the special crash investigations team in order to look at individual crashes that were really high profile ones ones where someone was killed unfortunately or or something that was involved a multiple vehicle crash but now nits is requiring auto manufacturers themselves once they find out about either from a police report or a complaint or insurance or any other other any other source within a day they have to send a pretty detailed form to nitsa and it goes into a database that database is going to be available not just for nitza to study but also for the public to have access to so we'll find out if some of these systems are actually helpful then the first step is collecting this data and being able to find out whether these systems which are touted as safety or convenience benefits sometimes both whether they actually live up to the promise and and make roads safer or if they make them less safe or which implementations make them safer or less safe yeah i was thinking one that data's got to be critical to answering the question you just said is it safety or is it just convenience you know do they have any safety benefits when you're talking about automating some of the driving tasks and as more and more cars get these capabilities it's got to be impossible for these crash investigation teams or the national transportation safety board to go out and investigate all of these crashes so the second item comes from stellantis now and and for those of you who don't know stellantis or the the the company formerly known as as fca or fiat chrysler i said the company formerly known as prince prior to what um is a combination of fiat chrysler and the european group psa was was pujo and sistron so in the united states it includes alfa romeo chrysler dodge fiat jeep maserati and ram trucks so that is stalantis but alex give us the scoop on what their announcement was this week as well sure yeah so if you kind of pay attention to i guess some some automotive news you'll notice that a lot of companies are um announcing plans to switch over to at least majorities of their fleet being either you know partially electric or fully electric vehicles some automakers even committing to you know 100 percent electric vehicles by a certain time period um and stalantis you know i guess is a a little later to the party as far as the announcement goes but in exchanges they um have some pretty lofty goals that they've they've talked about here so they're planning to they say they're going to invest like 30 billion euros into this program um and they hope to at least in the us have like 40 percent of the um new vehicles be low emissions vehicles is what they say uh and they also detailed plans at least at a high level for um four different electric vehicle platforms so like a small medium large and then a truck platform as well so that's pretty exciting and similar to some other automakers like gm you know they've got announcements for modular drive units and batteries that they can scale up and down depending on the size of the vehicle and what the vehicle is for and pretty interesting that they they said already that these vehicles are going to be targeting between like 300 and 500 miles of range which with 300 being you know at the low end of the bar there that's pretty good um and something that excites me a little more personally is they announced that they've are working on like a alternative battery chemistry like that uses um no nickel and no cobalt you know those rare earth metals that are kind of controversial when it comes to making these batteries so i think that if that comes to fruition um that's that's a great thing yeah it sounds pretty well thought out in terms of like you say the modular and the different chemistry and evs for all type of thing if those battery prices come down on kind of a lighter side along with their announcement stellantis had a lot of slogans kind of advertising slogans that went along with their announcement and we were having some fun so um keith i'm going to go to you first you know take one of them imagine you're now the pr rep for stelantis and you have to create a new slogan for their electric vehicles share what they have and then what you maybe thought of i have one oh oh yeah i mean my favorite is uh i mean we we've got alpha is now alpha e romeo um we have uh heating up people but not the planet which just sounds dangerous to me um i i know that that's not what they mean it's a it's about passion um i i would say that if i were working in this team i would have said our cars are green unless you order them in another color or um you know by the time we've cooked the planet um you will have some new cars but right now can we interest you in a grand wagoneer that gets 13 city 18 highway uh so really this electrification can't come uh can't come soon enough or uh please don't talk about the dodge circuit from 2009 um that's it's another fun one if you remember that kind of viper looking electric sports car that uh that was that was a prototype was released and then you never never talked about electrification again so that was it um yep that was it so the third item that's really occupying people's mind in this country is weather there's certainly some weather extremes whether we've got drought and wildfires in the pacific northwest or extreme heat or flash flooding it's kind of affecting all of us even here in the northeast where we don't typically have those extremes we've had some flash flooding and a lot of rain which i'm sure the pacific northwest would die for so anyway we got a question related to weather and then we'll move on so steve from pensacola florida says i wanted to know what car or options cr would recommend for those of us in hurricane zones keeping in mind we would need to evacuate before or after a severe storm and that you can get stuff stuck in traffic for quite a while in the process what would you say alex i'm going to go to you first are there thoughts you have for a vehicle that would suit steve or anyone in a hurricane zone right so i mean first off you're not going to find any manufacturers advertising the you know hurricane abilities of their vehicle per se but i'm just kind of thinking it through you know i guess an off-road vehicle with elevated ground height and and four-wheel drive and those types of things are if you are going to be traveling through you know um deep water or anything like that in the hurricane situation is going to help you out with traction and then also just it being higher um you know you don't want your engine to to be sucking in water or anything like that so um i guess what comes to mind for me is is just a full-size pickup truck with four-wheel drive elevated ground clearance you could throw stuff in the back quickly if you needed to and then to address the um sitting in traffic part of it you know they tend to have quite large fuel tanks for long cruising ranges so um kind of kind of fills that bill too so i would say any any large uh or full-size pickup truck rather would probably fit the bill yeah and if you have to evacuate items that might be a good thing too right have this space to do that but keith we were saying it's not necessarily about necessarily what vehicle but what to prep and be conscious of ahead of the storm yeah i mean the nice thing is that a hurricane uh unlike you know unlike any other situation uh unlike an earthquake or something you can actually prepare uh for this in advance and you kind of know when they're coming you see them moving real slow on the on the screen on the radar and just make sure that during hurricane season no matter what you drive that you know your tires are in good shape make sure the gas tank is full um because the last thing you want is to run out of gas while you know you're talking about we've seen uh traffic jams especially if you're on a peninsula and you're trying to get to the mainland there's one road in one road out you just want to make sure that you're especially if you're not driving as often that your car will start that the battery's good because that's the last thing you need all right time to go time to pack up the car is all packed uh and now the car won't start and you have to get it towed or jump started um and also just keep in mind that no matter what you're driving even if you're in a full-size truck if you see you know if you see water uh don't don't try and go through that uh because that that ground clearance that you have might not be enough and you could get pretty seriously hurt yeah don't wait too long and we have a bunch of this stuff you know about the standing water etcetera flooded vehicles up on consumerreports.org and the and the other thought i had and we talked about it is kind of this hybrid electric you know if there's a storm and you don't have to evacuate out but you're looking at potentially power loss hey you can run your truck or your vehicle as a generator for a bit to power your house in an emergency situation so that's the other thoughts i have is is kind of this new idea of letting your your vehicle be a generator if indeed the storm um isn't one you need to evacuate for but it's certainly going to take some power away so that was my thought as well so again i agree with you keith it's a lot about just being ahead of it yeah are there some ev chargers that actually go that can send power back from you you don't have to get that that truck uh if you want to awesome but if you have an ev already there are some chargers that can actually send power back to your house and if you have an ev and you live in a in a hurricane prone area make sure that you keep it charged ready to go exactly great point it used to be just your flashlight now it's your car too but batteries in your flashlight so great advice great advice hopefully that's helpful and to everybody who's in these extremes be it the fires or the drought or the heat we wish you well and stay safe and and again get out when you have to um moving on to from our track we have our first impressions of the 2022 subaru outback wilderness edition kind of a new name for subaru so alex let's start with you did you spend some time in the outback wilderness again this is one we rented from subaru so yeah spent a couple days driving it um and the market right now uh off-road vehicles and this over landing lifestyle and these types of things are very you know it's very popular very attractive to a lot of people and even though subaru is kind of already that outdoorsy um you know oriented brand maybe a little less so than they used to be i think they they wanted something fresh to to try to capture um you know some of those sales back right so basically they took their outback which is already um pretty formidable off-road for what it is and they uh gave it some some features to make it even more capable so uh they raised the ground clearance about a little less than an inch they gave it all terrain tires skid plates and then they did some mechanical changes like um they changed the final drive ratio to give it a little more torque at the wheels um even change the bumpers to to change the approach and departure angles so it's more than it does look cool too it's it's but it's more than i think you know just a graphics package and and the the look side of it so um and you know i when i was driving it around i kind of like weird cars and i feel like nowadays it's more difficult to find weird cars and this is kind of as weird as it gets it's this like off-roady trim of this mainstream model it's you know lifted up the tires look kind of chunky and weird inside the the um the wheel wells and you get this black cladding all over it and when i was driving it around it um you know got a lot of looks and people asking what it was and that type of thing so that's always fun um and i think honestly as far as how it drives the best part about it is that it drove at least in my experience pretty much just like the regular outback um you didn't notice a ton of difference from behind the wheel the steering didn't feel weird with the tires i couldn't even hear the you know the all-terrain tires it was just as quiet the the turbocharged four-cylinder is is pretty powerful and responsive um it's interesting that it's not the most expensive version of the outback either it's somewhere in the middle of the trim line uh i would say the only thing to really keep an eye out for is that you do sacrifice some fuel economy especially on the highway and that's probably due to the lift and extra or more aerodynamic drag and the tires also take away from that a little bit too sounds like some weight too with all that cladding on there they added some weight to it keith impressions you you like subarus typically do you like the wilderness yeah i mean i i think i think anyone who likes subaru should like this car uh mostly because it's gonna print money for subarus these these off-road trims don't cost that much for automakers to put on a couple of little extras and they can not only um you know add that value and increase that marginal profit on on each vehicle but they can also attract new buyers who might have thought that the outback wasn't necessarily um you know in the right segment for them or didn't look tough enough or didn't look off-roady enough and this whole idea of buying cars that look capable um you know obviously you know the the the skid plate things like that are going to give it a little bit more capability but you're not going to be rock climbing in this thing um but you know we've seen other manufacturers do it too ford has the timberline uh version now that debuted in the explorer there's they're kind of funky off-roady rav4s and we're starting to see this um from basically every manufacturer is there they're trying to make a car for every every person a car for every buyer uh and this just adds something new for subaru it's really it's really in that popular segment like you said and i just think it's gonna be a massive um i mean even if they don't sell a billion of them it's going to make subaru a lot of money yeah no doubt yeah good profit good profit with like you say inexpensive additions as far as we know um this is just the first wilderness version right so um you know when i think about it a crosstrek wilderness sounds pretty interesting right a little more rugged version of the crosstrek which is already you know a little bit smaller than the outback so maybe that'll have some extra capability too but yeah i think keith made a great point this will be you know a money printer for sure well outback started as a trim level and then it became its own it became its own thing so who knows yeah he used to be used to be able to get an outback sedan right yeah the s-u-s i know someone who had one it looked something i i was thinking too that in this suv world that subaru really didn't have a mid-size so you have the ascent and you have the cross track which is a little smaller they don't really have like a mid-size and a lot of people still associate outback with wagons not suvs so maybe this is just them suvifying that was my word the outback to make it more appealing and the other thought i had is just snow forget the off-roading part you know wouldn't it be nice to have just that little bit of extra either traction um or clearance so i do think i agree with you keith i think it'll be a popular car it's got that room between the outback and the forester uh for someone who thought one was just a little too and just yeah it kind of fits there and and adding to your comments jen about you know snow and things like that they did um change what subaru calls the x mode which is i think originally supposed to be like an off-road mode but basically it changes the way the traction control works and the way it breaks wheels um when they lose traction and supposedly with the the wilderness it works at higher speeds so maybe that could be more useful you know when traveling on a snowy road and whereas before the system would shut off over a certain speed now it can can work at you know higher speeds so yeah so stay tuned we'll see what the first of the wilderness brings on this popular vehicle so before we move on just a reminder about our talking cars donation program as we've said all of what we do be it buying the products testing the products creating this show comes from donations um and members and anything that you're able to give is always helpful ccr.org slash give talking cars if you're able to make a donation and we much appreciate it so moving on to your questions again a little bit of focus on the weather we have a question from ben in sarasota florida take a listen this july in florida and typically that means we've already had summer for six months but luckily the heat is held out until now that's got me wondering about my ac system and how to maintain it so it properly lasts i haven't seen anything in the manual about what to do i was wondering if you guys thought that i needed to replace the fluid sometime in the future if you would let me know your thoughts thanks and stay cool up in the northeast so first of all uh ben beautiful view there behind you it doesn't look too hot in your video but i i bet it is in sarasota florida so i did reach out to our chief mechanic john ibbitson as well as jake who used to work in hvac um to ask them for some what were the maintenance tips for ac and the truth is they said most current model ac units are sealed for life type units and there's not a lot of maintenance to them i certainly have been in vehicles where either the compressor stops working or they need a charge of freon or whatever the coolant is in there and it's inevitably when you need them the most when it's 95 and humid um but what they did say is there are ways to keep it running well so with air conditioning comes moisture so a couple of tips were after before you shut the vehicle off shut the ac unit down and just let the fans run through the vents to kind of dry out the vents themselves the evaporator can get some condensation and moisture in it sometimes that manifests as kind of a musty smell into the cabin you can buy a disinfectant either an ac dedicated disinfectant or something like lysol put the fans on low and actually spray the disinfectant into the plenum which is the vents that are at the base of the windshield on the outside of the car let that disinfectant circulate through and kind of kill any bacteria or musty smells in the evaporator at the same time before you do that you want to pull the cabin air filter pull it while you're doing the disinfecting but then also replace it to keep air flowing well and free of kind of bacteria and contaminants into the cabin replace that as needed it can be most of the time a diy um they're not always easy to get to some of them are behind the glove box but it's not difficult like it should be a diy some of them are right on top of the engine but others are not or have it replaced if you'd rather but you know certainly if you see accumulating dirt on that cabin air filter it's a good sign to change it and it does can help the ac work better our second question comes from david in orange california take a listen hey talking cars i'm 63 and i still love performance cars i recently purchased a 2021 supra 3.0 which i love as i've done with all my other cars when i need to get something behind it in the garage i've always turned the keto accessory without starting it put the car in neutral and roll it a couple of feet then roll it back cutting down on condensation building up in the oil as i only drive the car about once a week the supra with a zf transmission as well as bmws with zf transmissions won't allow the car to be put in neutral with the engine off this seems really odd to me i've heard you can jack up the car and disconnect something if you need to get into neutral what if the car had to be towed on a flatbed i'd like your thoughts on this thank you so clearly david is a car guy loving his cars but i agree david you got a tight garage and you may have to move move forward keith what's the advice on this zf transmission for david in terms of getting a neutral yes so unfortunately um you know that's the the situation that that david has come across is correct there is there is not another option um i i looked into the second half of his question about towing and you know this can happen when you buy a very unusual sports car that you might need uh you you can't just necessarily call up aaa and hope the first person who shows up with the truck is going to be able to take care of it there actually is a special tool that is needed to disengage the transmission if the battery is dead i looked at the the instructions that are given to dealers for how to move a car and there's a special tool you have to get under the car um and you have to have the wheels chocked uh it's it's uh it's not something you would want to do just to be able to get to uh you know storage that you have behind the vehicle uh that's something you would want to do if you wouldn't want to do but you might have to do in in a real emergency it's not like some cars where you just have to pull a tab or you know move something out of the way so you know uh this is we we have to when we when we fall in love with with vehicles that are unusual there are quirks that we have to overlook and um that is that is one with with the supra and the z4 yeah i will add to that um you know with this car if you do have to move it and start it like this like you're saying frequently i would just change the oil more often you know i think the oil change interval on that car is 10 000 miles and so maybe if you're starting it for a couple minutes at a time you know a few times a week like you're saying uh yeah maybe cut that in half or something like that just to you know get rid of some of that moisture and otherwise uh you know you could maybe get they make these jacks that you can put under the tires roll the car around but that's probably not practical and definitely not a cheap solution so i would say start it and just maybe change the oil a little more frequently and go for a drive yeah that too that's that's oh it's a great excuse you just have to say well you know it's already started and driving for a good amount of time to really let it heat up yep that's what i was going to say david with if you need to get to those storage bins great excuse take a drive it's a wonderful car so that was my answer too our next question comes from tariq in oakville ontario canada and he asks i am addicted to talking cars and became a cr member because of this show thank you tariq i am looking to replace our current car with a newer model we share vehicles with our 18 year old son who seems to be an overconfident driver given his limited experience aren't they all yes so we would we would like to replace our current car with one that includes some autonomous features and are stuck between the 2021 subaru forester and mazda cx-5 the forester has better four-wheel drive all-wheel drive but less effective advanced safety as it's camera based while the cx-5 is a combination of radar and camera but less impressive all-wheel drive we get a lot of rain snow sleet in the greater toronto area which one would you choose alex i'm gonna go to you first i have some thoughts for tariq but i'm gonna go to you first okay um well i'll focus on the the all-wheel drive portion of it so he says that subaru has a better all-wheel drive or more impressive all-wheel drive system and i think traditionally that that may have been true and it is true in some ways where it's mechanically different and there's always power being sent to the rear wheels in a subaru four-wheel drive system but other competitive four-wheel drive systems like from from mazda um are getting more and more impressive as the years go on and i think unless you're going to be using the vehicle for some off-roading or something like that similar to what we talked about with the the wilderness model i think that both of these systems are going to do exactly what you need on the road in snowy or wet conditions um you know the mazda basically what they're doing is is it's still an electronically controlled rear differential that activates as needed but the way that the car senses when to activate the rear differential has just gotten so much better and it's it's way more predictive than it is reactive these days and i think that both are going to serve serve the purpose the purpose that you need i would say no matter no matter what you choose um i remember back when i was a teenager and a teenage driver that i wanted to play with every single feature on the car and sometimes do it while i was driving because i was the greatest driver in the world and um and i was always in total control of the car even if i was very obviously looking back on it now not and driving unsafely so i would just be very very careful these are great features that you're talking about things like automatic emergency braking forward collision warning pedestrian detection blind spot warning these are awesome but what you don't necessarily want is for your over confident teen to be playing around with adaptive cruise control and lane lane centering and using that as an you know oh well i can i can eat a sandwich oh i can text while i'm driving because the car is these systems are not foolproof and they will they you know murphy's law they will something will go wrong when your son is is is not ready to come back to uh uh to take control of the vehicle so just keep in mind that there's the difference between those convenience systems and those safety systems and the nice thing about the safety systems is is that you hopefully you never notice that they're there uh because you don't need them so just just keep that in mind um as far as the vehicles themselves i'm i'm with i'm with alex but i sense that jen has something something she's going to share that i want to hear yeah you do and i think it's funny how you literally just wrapped around to our first segment of stick with the proven safety features the forward collision warnings the automatic emergency brakings not necessarily on autonomous ones um as we the jury's still out on whether those are safety benefits mine was one two i agree with alex i think you'll be very happy with either of these cars and as you know we create these best cars for young drivers list both of those vehicles are on there and i applaud you tariq for saying hey i need these features in this car to help back up my young inexperienced driver it's exactly how parents should be thinking my thoughts though were more about what tariq was saying about a camera radar based system being better than just a camera-based systems and i'm not sure that's true and i'm deferring back to the insurance institute for highway safety the iihs is ratings of these systems and if you look the camera based on camera only based system on the forkster actually has higher ratings more superior ratings the highest rating the ihs gives in all of the vehicle to vehicle scenarios and in the vehicle to pedestrian scenarios that they test except for one um where the dummy is is moving parallel the pedestrian dummy is parallel to the car where it still scrubs off some speed the cx-5 doesn't qualify for the forward collision warning points in those tests and in some of the aeb tests for the pedestrian it doesn't fail to avoid it doesn't um avoid a collision as the subaru forester does even though it's a camera slashed radar based system so because the systems are playing off of one another the radar and the camera even in poor weather which i think is what tariq's getting at in it that a camera based system won't be able to see i think you'll see in the cx-5 because they're using both pieces of logic those systems may not work in that poor weather either so because it's relying on both inputs so don't make the assumption that's because it has both it's a better system according to the ihs the forester may be better other things forester has fantastic visibility where the cx-5 is a little bit more sloped i really find that advantageous for any driver particularly a new driver forester has a better road test score but lesser reliability counter on the other the cx-5 has a lesser road test score but better reliability so again i think it comes down to preference i love your logic and i think you'll be happy with either car here i'm not sure that helps you but that's our input anyway tariq is probably like oh gosh they've given me so much but moving on to our final question comes from david i am considering buying a 2018 chrysler pacifica hybrid from a dealership that has marked down the price by several thousand dollars presumably because of an open recall that cr reported on in june of 2020 should the facts that a fix has not been found one year later be a deal breaker for this car what steps should i take to ensure my safety if i purchase this vehicle and if i do go through the purchase will this recall affect its resale value keith you did the reporting on this recall for the pacifica so i'm going to defer to you yeah so i think i'm going to go backwards and start with will this recall effect of resale value so many cars have re recalls unless it's like a super famous one that only affected one vehicle uh it's it's not going to be i don't think it's going to be an issue however i do want to talk about this specific recall um and it has to do with an auxiliary power outlet and water being able to access that that power outlet and fires resulting from that so this isn't like oh a label is wrong or um don't use the center seat for a child seat use one of the outboard ones instead which are some which we've seen um no this is the vehicle could catch fire now there there haven't been many cases of it um but it's a fairly serious recall and and and david's right there isn't a fix for it yet there's a temporary fix but until the the full fix is done stalantis recommends consumers are advised to exercise the following precautions until the vehicle has the final repair completed do not park these vehicles inside of buildings or structures or near other vehicles additionally keep liquids out of the back seat area including but not limited to beverages wet items umbrellas or bottled liquids that may leak so if you're willing to put up with that i'm still gonna say not to buy this car because cr and other organizations um agree that cars with open recalls should not be able to be sold um right now a new car with a with an open recall can't be sold until that recall is fixed but a used car can be sold and we don't think that that's that's right because um you know it's easy to get a recall fixed a used car lot if they have a car that they that they got from auction that has an open recall they can bring it to an authorized dealer and have that work done for free um that's just that's part of selling the cars is making sure that there aren't any safety defects that haven't been corrected on it and you know if i were buying a car obviously i would check for myself but other folks don't necessarily do that and they shouldn't be put at a safety disadvantage um so as a blanket rule don't buy a car with an open recall it's unfortunate because this is actually this is a car i actually really really like i think it's a really cool car maybe give it a few months because i'm really hoping that um this recall will be uh the situation will be fixed but as of as of right now from what i've seen uh from nitsa uh there there still isn't a a full repair for for this vehicle so keep an eye on that um and you know good luck it also sounds like even when the part does come it's a rather extensive repair to do and you know it's hard whether you already own the car and you've got this recall that can't be fixed because the parts aren't out or you're in like david thinking of buying it there are some great tools to when you're buying a used car you can put in the vin number find out if recalls have been done yet on that car so you know there's an app that nitsa has we have recall trackers on our site for sure at consumerreports.org um and it's very helpful to determining and i would encourage anybody looking used to make sure you know see what the recall status is on a vehicle they're considering so that will do it for this episode as always thanks for watching thanks for listening keep your questions keep your video clips coming talking cars at icloud.com and we will see you next weekthis week we give our driving impressions of the 2022 subaru outback wilderness we share tips and advice for using your car in extreme weather and should you buy a used car with an open recall next on talking cars hi and welcome to talking cars i'm jennifer stockberger i'm alex nizik and i'm keith barry so we're going to jump right in with some news of what's going on in the country this week and we kind of have a bit of snippets of different things the first of which is announcement from the national highway traffic safety administration regarding automated driving keith give us some scoop on what the announcement was yeah this is really interesting uh coming from that agency you mentioned which we just called by its acronym nitsa and they've issued an order that's going to require auto manufacturers to report if a crash took place um and if the crash took place on a vehicle with an automated system automated driving systems and that can be anything from a prototype of a self-driving car down to a car with lane keeping assist or automatic emergency braking i mean that that sort of runs the span of basically anything that takes um any sort of control away from the driver and this is basically it's kind of aimed for two reasons the first one is that there have been a lot of crashes that have made headlines uh mostly around tesla vehicles um with its well-publicized autopilot uh system which is which is a a convenience system not neces it is not a self-driving car um even the full self-driving feature is not a full self-driving feature it's called that and so far for the past you know past four or five years nits has really been kind of asleep at the switch in terms of keeping an eye on whether these new systems out there were causing more crashes they weren't even really collecting data and what they were doing is they were sending out a special team called the special crash investigations team in order to look at individual crashes that were really high profile ones ones where someone was killed unfortunately or or something that was involved a multiple vehicle crash but now nits is requiring auto manufacturers themselves once they find out about either from a police report or a complaint or insurance or any other other any other source within a day they have to send a pretty detailed form to nitsa and it goes into a database that database is going to be available not just for nitza to study but also for the public to have access to so we'll find out if some of these systems are actually helpful then the first step is collecting this data and being able to find out whether these systems which are touted as safety or convenience benefits sometimes both whether they actually live up to the promise and and make roads safer or if they make them less safe or which implementations make them safer or less safe yeah i was thinking one that data's got to be critical to answering the question you just said is it safety or is it just convenience you know do they have any safety benefits when you're talking about automating some of the driving tasks and as more and more cars get these capabilities it's got to be impossible for these crash investigation teams or the national transportation safety board to go out and investigate all of these crashes so the second item comes from stellantis now and and for those of you who don't know stellantis or the the the company formerly known as as fca or fiat chrysler i said the company formerly known as prince prior to what um is a combination of fiat chrysler and the european group psa was was pujo and sistron so in the united states it includes alfa romeo chrysler dodge fiat jeep maserati and ram trucks so that is stalantis but alex give us the scoop on what their announcement was this week as well sure yeah so if you kind of pay attention to i guess some some automotive news you'll notice that a lot of companies are um announcing plans to switch over to at least majorities of their fleet being either you know partially electric or fully electric vehicles some automakers even committing to you know 100 percent electric vehicles by a certain time period um and stalantis you know i guess is a a little later to the party as far as the announcement goes but in exchanges they um have some pretty lofty goals that they've they've talked about here so they're planning to they say they're going to invest like 30 billion euros into this program um and they hope to at least in the us have like 40 percent of the um new vehicles be low emissions vehicles is what they say uh and they also detailed plans at least at a high level for um four different electric vehicle platforms so like a small medium large and then a truck platform as well so that's pretty exciting and similar to some other automakers like gm you know they've got announcements for modular drive units and batteries that they can scale up and down depending on the size of the vehicle and what the vehicle is for and pretty interesting that they they said already that these vehicles are going to be targeting between like 300 and 500 miles of range which with 300 being you know at the low end of the bar there that's pretty good um and something that excites me a little more personally is they announced that they've are working on like a alternative battery chemistry like that uses um no nickel and no cobalt you know those rare earth metals that are kind of controversial when it comes to making these batteries so i think that if that comes to fruition um that's that's a great thing yeah it sounds pretty well thought out in terms of like you say the modular and the different chemistry and evs for all type of thing if those battery prices come down on kind of a lighter side along with their announcement stellantis had a lot of slogans kind of advertising slogans that went along with their announcement and we were having some fun so um keith i'm going to go to you first you know take one of them imagine you're now the pr rep for stelantis and you have to create a new slogan for their electric vehicles share what they have and then what you maybe thought of i have one oh oh yeah i mean my favorite is uh i mean we we've got alpha is now alpha e romeo um we have uh heating up people but not the planet which just sounds dangerous to me um i i know that that's not what they mean it's a it's about passion um i i would say that if i were working in this team i would have said our cars are green unless you order them in another color or um you know by the time we've cooked the planet um you will have some new cars but right now can we interest you in a grand wagoneer that gets 13 city 18 highway uh so really this electrification can't come uh can't come soon enough or uh please don't talk about the dodge circuit from 2009 um that's it's another fun one if you remember that kind of viper looking electric sports car that uh that was that was a prototype was released and then you never never talked about electrification again so that was it um yep that was it so the third item that's really occupying people's mind in this country is weather there's certainly some weather extremes whether we've got drought and wildfires in the pacific northwest or extreme heat or flash flooding it's kind of affecting all of us even here in the northeast where we don't typically have those extremes we've had some flash flooding and a lot of rain which i'm sure the pacific northwest would die for so anyway we got a question related to weather and then we'll move on so steve from pensacola florida says i wanted to know what car or options cr would recommend for those of us in hurricane zones keeping in mind we would need to evacuate before or after a severe storm and that you can get stuff stuck in traffic for quite a while in the process what would you say alex i'm going to go to you first are there thoughts you have for a vehicle that would suit steve or anyone in a hurricane zone right so i mean first off you're not going to find any manufacturers advertising the you know hurricane abilities of their vehicle per se but i'm just kind of thinking it through you know i guess an off-road vehicle with elevated ground height and and four-wheel drive and those types of things are if you are going to be traveling through you know um deep water or anything like that in the hurricane situation is going to help you out with traction and then also just it being higher um you know you don't want your engine to to be sucking in water or anything like that so um i guess what comes to mind for me is is just a full-size pickup truck with four-wheel drive elevated ground clearance you could throw stuff in the back quickly if you needed to and then to address the um sitting in traffic part of it you know they tend to have quite large fuel tanks for long cruising ranges so um kind of kind of fills that bill too so i would say any any large uh or full-size pickup truck rather would probably fit the bill yeah and if you have to evacuate items that might be a good thing too right have this space to do that but keith we were saying it's not necessarily about necessarily what vehicle but what to prep and be conscious of ahead of the storm yeah i mean the nice thing is that a hurricane uh unlike you know unlike any other situation uh unlike an earthquake or something you can actually prepare uh for this in advance and you kind of know when they're coming you see them moving real slow on the on the screen on the radar and just make sure that during hurricane season no matter what you drive that you know your tires are in good shape make sure the gas tank is full um because the last thing you want is to run out of gas while you know you're talking about we've seen uh traffic jams especially if you're on a peninsula and you're trying to get to the mainland there's one road in one road out you just want to make sure that you're especially if you're not driving as often that your car will start that the battery's good because that's the last thing you need all right time to go time to pack up the car is all packed uh and now the car won't start and you have to get it towed or jump started um and also just keep in mind that no matter what you're driving even if you're in a full-size truck if you see you know if you see water uh don't don't try and go through that uh because that that ground clearance that you have might not be enough and you could get pretty seriously hurt yeah don't wait too long and we have a bunch of this stuff you know about the standing water etcetera flooded vehicles up on consumerreports.org and the and the other thought i had and we talked about it is kind of this hybrid electric you know if there's a storm and you don't have to evacuate out but you're looking at potentially power loss hey you can run your truck or your vehicle as a generator for a bit to power your house in an emergency situation so that's the other thoughts i have is is kind of this new idea of letting your your vehicle be a generator if indeed the storm um isn't one you need to evacuate for but it's certainly going to take some power away so that was my thought as well so again i agree with you keith it's a lot about just being ahead of it yeah are there some ev chargers that actually go that can send power back from you you don't have to get that that truck uh if you want to awesome but if you have an ev already there are some chargers that can actually send power back to your house and if you have an ev and you live in a in a hurricane prone area make sure that you keep it charged ready to go exactly great point it used to be just your flashlight now it's your car too but batteries in your flashlight so great advice great advice hopefully that's helpful and to everybody who's in these extremes be it the fires or the drought or the heat we wish you well and stay safe and and again get out when you have to um moving on to from our track we have our first impressions of the 2022 subaru outback wilderness edition kind of a new name for subaru so alex let's start with you did you spend some time in the outback wilderness again this is one we rented from subaru so yeah spent a couple days driving it um and the market right now uh off-road vehicles and this over landing lifestyle and these types of things are very you know it's very popular very attractive to a lot of people and even though subaru is kind of already that outdoorsy um you know oriented brand maybe a little less so than they used to be i think they they wanted something fresh to to try to capture um you know some of those sales back right so basically they took their outback which is already um pretty formidable off-road for what it is and they uh gave it some some features to make it even more capable so uh they raised the ground clearance about a little less than an inch they gave it all terrain tires skid plates and then they did some mechanical changes like um they changed the final drive ratio to give it a little more torque at the wheels um even change the bumpers to to change the approach and departure angles so it's more than it does look cool too it's it's but it's more than i think you know just a graphics package and and the the look side of it so um and you know i when i was driving it around i kind of like weird cars and i feel like nowadays it's more difficult to find weird cars and this is kind of as weird as it gets it's this like off-roady trim of this mainstream model it's you know lifted up the tires look kind of chunky and weird inside the the um the wheel wells and you get this black cladding all over it and when i was driving it around it um you know got a lot of looks and people asking what it was and that type of thing so that's always fun um and i think honestly as far as how it drives the best part about it is that it drove at least in my experience pretty much just like the regular outback um you didn't notice a ton of difference from behind the wheel the steering didn't feel weird with the tires i couldn't even hear the you know the all-terrain tires it was just as quiet the the turbocharged four-cylinder is is pretty powerful and responsive um it's interesting that it's not the most expensive version of the outback either it's somewhere in the middle of the trim line uh i would say the only thing to really keep an eye out for is that you do sacrifice some fuel economy especially on the highway and that's probably due to the lift and extra or more aerodynamic drag and the tires also take away from that a little bit too sounds like some weight too with all that cladding on there they added some weight to it keith impressions you you like subarus typically do you like the wilderness yeah i mean i i think i think anyone who likes subaru should like this car uh mostly because it's gonna print money for subarus these these off-road trims don't cost that much for automakers to put on a couple of little extras and they can not only um you know add that value and increase that marginal profit on on each vehicle but they can also attract new buyers who might have thought that the outback wasn't necessarily um you know in the right segment for them or didn't look tough enough or didn't look off-roady enough and this whole idea of buying cars that look capable um you know obviously you know the the the skid plate things like that are going to give it a little bit more capability but you're not going to be rock climbing in this thing um but you know we've seen other manufacturers do it too ford has the timberline uh version now that debuted in the explorer there's they're kind of funky off-roady rav4s and we're starting to see this um from basically every manufacturer is there they're trying to make a car for every every person a car for every buyer uh and this just adds something new for subaru it's really it's really in that popular segment like you said and i just think it's gonna be a massive um i mean even if they don't sell a billion of them it's going to make subaru a lot of money yeah no doubt yeah good profit good profit with like you say inexpensive additions as far as we know um this is just the first wilderness version right so um you know when i think about it a crosstrek wilderness sounds pretty interesting right a little more rugged version of the crosstrek which is already you know a little bit smaller than the outback so maybe that'll have some extra capability too but yeah i think keith made a great point this will be you know a money printer for sure well outback started as a trim level and then it became its own it became its own thing so who knows yeah he used to be used to be able to get an outback sedan right yeah the s-u-s i know someone who had one it looked something i i was thinking too that in this suv world that subaru really didn't have a mid-size so you have the ascent and you have the cross track which is a little smaller they don't really have like a mid-size and a lot of people still associate outback with wagons not suvs so maybe this is just them suvifying that was my word the outback to make it more appealing and the other thought i had is just snow forget the off-roading part you know wouldn't it be nice to have just that little bit of extra either traction um or clearance so i do think i agree with you keith i think it'll be a popular car it's got that room between the outback and the forester uh for someone who thought one was just a little too and just yeah it kind of fits there and and adding to your comments jen about you know snow and things like that they did um change what subaru calls the x mode which is i think originally supposed to be like an off-road mode but basically it changes the way the traction control works and the way it breaks wheels um when they lose traction and supposedly with the the wilderness it works at higher speeds so maybe that could be more useful you know when traveling on a snowy road and whereas before the system would shut off over a certain speed now it can can work at you know higher speeds so yeah so stay tuned we'll see what the first of the wilderness brings on this popular vehicle so before we move on just a reminder about our talking cars donation program as we've said all of what we do be it buying the products testing the products creating this show comes from donations um and members and anything that you're able to give is always helpful ccr.org slash give talking cars if you're able to make a donation and we much appreciate it so moving on to your questions again a little bit of focus on the weather we have a question from ben in sarasota florida take a listen this july in florida and typically that means we've already had summer for six months but luckily the heat is held out until now that's got me wondering about my ac system and how to maintain it so it properly lasts i haven't seen anything in the manual about what to do i was wondering if you guys thought that i needed to replace the fluid sometime in the future if you would let me know your thoughts thanks and stay cool up in the northeast so first of all uh ben beautiful view there behind you it doesn't look too hot in your video but i i bet it is in sarasota florida so i did reach out to our chief mechanic john ibbitson as well as jake who used to work in hvac um to ask them for some what were the maintenance tips for ac and the truth is they said most current model ac units are sealed for life type units and there's not a lot of maintenance to them i certainly have been in vehicles where either the compressor stops working or they need a charge of freon or whatever the coolant is in there and it's inevitably when you need them the most when it's 95 and humid um but what they did say is there are ways to keep it running well so with air conditioning comes moisture so a couple of tips were after before you shut the vehicle off shut the ac unit down and just let the fans run through the vents to kind of dry out the vents themselves the evaporator can get some condensation and moisture in it sometimes that manifests as kind of a musty smell into the cabin you can buy a disinfectant either an ac dedicated disinfectant or something like lysol put the fans on low and actually spray the disinfectant into the plenum which is the vents that are at the base of the windshield on the outside of the car let that disinfectant circulate through and kind of kill any bacteria or musty smells in the evaporator at the same time before you do that you want to pull the cabin air filter pull it while you're doing the disinfecting but then also replace it to keep air flowing well and free of kind of bacteria and contaminants into the cabin replace that as needed it can be most of the time a diy um they're not always easy to get to some of them are behind the glove box but it's not difficult like it should be a diy some of them are right on top of the engine but others are not or have it replaced if you'd rather but you know certainly if you see accumulating dirt on that cabin air filter it's a good sign to change it and it does can help the ac work better our second question comes from david in orange california take a listen hey talking cars i'm 63 and i still love performance cars i recently purchased a 2021 supra 3.0 which i love as i've done with all my other cars when i need to get something behind it in the garage i've always turned the keto accessory without starting it put the car in neutral and roll it a couple of feet then roll it back cutting down on condensation building up in the oil as i only drive the car about once a week the supra with a zf transmission as well as bmws with zf transmissions won't allow the car to be put in neutral with the engine off this seems really odd to me i've heard you can jack up the car and disconnect something if you need to get into neutral what if the car had to be towed on a flatbed i'd like your thoughts on this thank you so clearly david is a car guy loving his cars but i agree david you got a tight garage and you may have to move move forward keith what's the advice on this zf transmission for david in terms of getting a neutral yes so unfortunately um you know that's the the situation that that david has come across is correct there is there is not another option um i i looked into the second half of his question about towing and you know this can happen when you buy a very unusual sports car that you might need uh you you can't just necessarily call up aaa and hope the first person who shows up with the truck is going to be able to take care of it there actually is a special tool that is needed to disengage the transmission if the battery is dead i looked at the the instructions that are given to dealers for how to move a car and there's a special tool you have to get under the car um and you have to have the wheels chocked uh it's it's uh it's not something you would want to do just to be able to get to uh you know storage that you have behind the vehicle uh that's something you would want to do if you wouldn't want to do but you might have to do in in a real emergency it's not like some cars where you just have to pull a tab or you know move something out of the way so you know uh this is we we have to when we when we fall in love with with vehicles that are unusual there are quirks that we have to overlook and um that is that is one with with the supra and the z4 yeah i will add to that um you know with this car if you do have to move it and start it like this like you're saying frequently i would just change the oil more often you know i think the oil change interval on that car is 10 000 miles and so maybe if you're starting it for a couple minutes at a time you know a few times a week like you're saying uh yeah maybe cut that in half or something like that just to you know get rid of some of that moisture and otherwise uh you know you could maybe get they make these jacks that you can put under the tires roll the car around but that's probably not practical and definitely not a cheap solution so i would say start it and just maybe change the oil a little more frequently and go for a drive yeah that too that's that's oh it's a great excuse you just have to say well you know it's already started and driving for a good amount of time to really let it heat up yep that's what i was going to say david with if you need to get to those storage bins great excuse take a drive it's a wonderful car so that was my answer too our next question comes from tariq in oakville ontario canada and he asks i am addicted to talking cars and became a cr member because of this show thank you tariq i am looking to replace our current car with a newer model we share vehicles with our 18 year old son who seems to be an overconfident driver given his limited experience aren't they all yes so we would we would like to replace our current car with one that includes some autonomous features and are stuck between the 2021 subaru forester and mazda cx-5 the forester has better four-wheel drive all-wheel drive but less effective advanced safety as it's camera based while the cx-5 is a combination of radar and camera but less impressive all-wheel drive we get a lot of rain snow sleet in the greater toronto area which one would you choose alex i'm gonna go to you first i have some thoughts for tariq but i'm gonna go to you first okay um well i'll focus on the the all-wheel drive portion of it so he says that subaru has a better all-wheel drive or more impressive all-wheel drive system and i think traditionally that that may have been true and it is true in some ways where it's mechanically different and there's always power being sent to the rear wheels in a subaru four-wheel drive system but other competitive four-wheel drive systems like from from mazda um are getting more and more impressive as the years go on and i think unless you're going to be using the vehicle for some off-roading or something like that similar to what we talked about with the the wilderness model i think that both of these systems are going to do exactly what you need on the road in snowy or wet conditions um you know the mazda basically what they're doing is is it's still an electronically controlled rear differential that activates as needed but the way that the car senses when to activate the rear differential has just gotten so much better and it's it's way more predictive than it is reactive these days and i think that both are going to serve serve the purpose the purpose that you need i would say no matter no matter what you choose um i remember back when i was a teenager and a teenage driver that i wanted to play with every single feature on the car and sometimes do it while i was driving because i was the greatest driver in the world and um and i was always in total control of the car even if i was very obviously looking back on it now not and driving unsafely so i would just be very very careful these are great features that you're talking about things like automatic emergency braking forward collision warning pedestrian detection blind spot warning these are awesome but what you don't necessarily want is for your over confident teen to be playing around with adaptive cruise control and lane lane centering and using that as an you know oh well i can i can eat a sandwich oh i can text while i'm driving because the car is these systems are not foolproof and they will they you know murphy's law they will something will go wrong when your son is is is not ready to come back to uh uh to take control of the vehicle so just keep in mind that there's the difference between those convenience systems and those safety systems and the nice thing about the safety systems is is that you hopefully you never notice that they're there uh because you don't need them so just just keep that in mind um as far as the vehicles themselves i'm i'm with i'm with alex but i sense that jen has something something she's going to share that i want to hear yeah you do and i think it's funny how you literally just wrapped around to our first segment of stick with the proven safety features the forward collision warnings the automatic emergency brakings not necessarily on autonomous ones um as we the jury's still out on whether those are safety benefits mine was one two i agree with alex i think you'll be very happy with either of these cars and as you know we create these best cars for young drivers list both of those vehicles are on there and i applaud you tariq for saying hey i need these features in this car to help back up my young inexperienced driver it's exactly how parents should be thinking my thoughts though were more about what tariq was saying about a camera radar based system being better than just a camera-based systems and i'm not sure that's true and i'm deferring back to the insurance institute for highway safety the iihs is ratings of these systems and if you look the camera based on camera only based system on the forkster actually has higher ratings more superior ratings the highest rating the ihs gives in all of the vehicle to vehicle scenarios and in the vehicle to pedestrian scenarios that they test except for one um where the dummy is is moving parallel the pedestrian dummy is parallel to the car where it still scrubs off some speed the cx-5 doesn't qualify for the forward collision warning points in those tests and in some of the aeb tests for the pedestrian it doesn't fail to avoid it doesn't um avoid a collision as the subaru forester does even though it's a camera slashed radar based system so because the systems are playing off of one another the radar and the camera even in poor weather which i think is what tariq's getting at in it that a camera based system won't be able to see i think you'll see in the cx-5 because they're using both pieces of logic those systems may not work in that poor weather either so because it's relying on both inputs so don't make the assumption that's because it has both it's a better system according to the ihs the forester may be better other things forester has fantastic visibility where the cx-5 is a little bit more sloped i really find that advantageous for any driver particularly a new driver forester has a better road test score but lesser reliability counter on the other the cx-5 has a lesser road test score but better reliability so again i think it comes down to preference i love your logic and i think you'll be happy with either car here i'm not sure that helps you but that's our input anyway tariq is probably like oh gosh they've given me so much but moving on to our final question comes from david i am considering buying a 2018 chrysler pacifica hybrid from a dealership that has marked down the price by several thousand dollars presumably because of an open recall that cr reported on in june of 2020 should the facts that a fix has not been found one year later be a deal breaker for this car what steps should i take to ensure my safety if i purchase this vehicle and if i do go through the purchase will this recall affect its resale value keith you did the reporting on this recall for the pacifica so i'm going to defer to you yeah so i think i'm going to go backwards and start with will this recall effect of resale value so many cars have re recalls unless it's like a super famous one that only affected one vehicle uh it's it's not going to be i don't think it's going to be an issue however i do want to talk about this specific recall um and it has to do with an auxiliary power outlet and water being able to access that that power outlet and fires resulting from that so this isn't like oh a label is wrong or um don't use the center seat for a child seat use one of the outboard ones instead which are some which we've seen um no this is the vehicle could catch fire now there there haven't been many cases of it um but it's a fairly serious recall and and and david's right there isn't a fix for it yet there's a temporary fix but until the the full fix is done stalantis recommends consumers are advised to exercise the following precautions until the vehicle has the final repair completed do not park these vehicles inside of buildings or structures or near other vehicles additionally keep liquids out of the back seat area including but not limited to beverages wet items umbrellas or bottled liquids that may leak so if you're willing to put up with that i'm still gonna say not to buy this car because cr and other organizations um agree that cars with open recalls should not be able to be sold um right now a new car with a with an open recall can't be sold until that recall is fixed but a used car can be sold and we don't think that that's that's right because um you know it's easy to get a recall fixed a used car lot if they have a car that they that they got from auction that has an open recall they can bring it to an authorized dealer and have that work done for free um that's just that's part of selling the cars is making sure that there aren't any safety defects that haven't been corrected on it and you know if i were buying a car obviously i would check for myself but other folks don't necessarily do that and they shouldn't be put at a safety disadvantage um so as a blanket rule don't buy a car with an open recall it's unfortunate because this is actually this is a car i actually really really like i think it's a really cool car maybe give it a few months because i'm really hoping that um this recall will be uh the situation will be fixed but as of as of right now from what i've seen uh from nitsa uh there there still isn't a a full repair for for this vehicle so keep an eye on that um and you know good luck it also sounds like even when the part does come it's a rather extensive repair to do and you know it's hard whether you already own the car and you've got this recall that can't be fixed because the parts aren't out or you're in like david thinking of buying it there are some great tools to when you're buying a used car you can put in the vin number find out if recalls have been done yet on that car so you know there's an app that nitsa has we have recall trackers on our site for sure at consumerreports.org um and it's very helpful to determining and i would encourage anybody looking used to make sure you know see what the recall status is on a vehicle they're considering so that will do it for this episode as always thanks for watching thanks for listening keep your questions keep your video clips coming talking cars at icloud.com and we will see you next week\n"